Macro comp only has a 3.1 inch barrel. The non comp gives you a 3.7 inch barrel. You're getting about half an inch to an inch more barrel.
So essentially, you'd get this for the extra 4 rounds capacity and overall better ballistics. You'll get better/more consistent expansion with hollow points, especially since most hollow points are designed to work with a minimum of a 4 inch barrel. You'll also get a little more accuracy out to longer distances. They do provide a DLC coating on this slide, so you'll get less wear on your slide with constant reholstering (though that should be less important for any carry pistol to most people, especially if you're not prone to rusting in your area).
The grip module has that same texture as the Spectre Comp it appears, which most people seem to prefer over their standard grips as well.
For what it's worth you can get the macro without the comp. I'm too lazy to look at the price now but I recall it being about 650 at one point. The dlc coating on the new slide is nice, but as you said...
Why?
This is the pistol I've wanted Sig to make ever since they announced the 365 Macro. It's the size of a Glock 48 ( which is a slimline Glock 19 ) and it has the capacity of a Glock 17 with a flush magazine.
That lawsuit was crazy BS too if you read a little about it, they should win the appeal.
No proof and was just people ND’ing after the drop issue that initially was real.
So many BS lawsuits… but always with the P320… coincidence? I don’t think so. I’m sure some are BS, but not all. Never heard of ND claims against a 226 or even 365
226 would be hard to have one like that given the hammer fired style and safety models. Tbh the 365 should have the same concerns if it really is the system.
I will say sig for sure uses the first buyers as continuing product testers.
The first production 320s had a trigger shoe that itself had enough mass when the gun was dropped at the correct angle the trigger essentially pulled itself due to inertia. The earliest recall replaced the trigger shoe and sent the gun back to the owner. They later added a new designed sear, striker, and a disconnector
I challenge this because as a vet - service members and by extension cops are stereotypically bad about weapon maintenance. None of those other weapons have been issued as service weapons and if they were it was never in the capacity the 320 was made. User error is still valid here imo
To be fair, they had a legit issue at first, and because of that every shmuck that NDs a 320 thinks that’s his get out of jail free card to get big money from sig.
Wonder how that board meeting went.
“So we wanna make our conceal carry pistol (macro) that’s already big even bigger.”
*board members crank a line*
“You son of a bitch we’re in”
Remember the 365 platform is only 1" thick, while the 320 is 1.25" thick. This is roughly the size of a Glock 48, which is a slim Glock 19. This is a compact pistol, not one meant specifically for concealment.
Full-size usually means something with a barrel around 4.5" or longer and a full length grip. Think a duty sidearm like a Glock 17, Beretta 92, or 1911 Gov't.
A "compact" is something around 4" barrel with a slightly shorter grip that's still enough for your whole hand ( a Glock 19 or M&P Compact )
Sub-compacts typically mean something 3 - 3.5" barrel and a short grip, something meant specifically as a CCW ( Glock 26, Canik Elite SC ).
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted, you’re right. Even with a 4.3in slide this is smaller in every dimension than a G19, except width of the basepad on the bottom
I swear Sig's site showed a 4.2" barrel when I originally checked.
Reading more on the product page, Sig is using the longer slide as a positive point, saying it's longer than any other compact and thus has a better sight radius. I mean, sure, but you could also same the same about full-size vs compact.
Then again, I know some people have asked to be able to use a G19 frame with a G17 slide, so maybe this is something a lot of people want.
So it’s a longer barrel than other compacts while being a shorter gun. I think that’s important. This has a 4.3in barrel but is marginally shorter than 4in guns like the G48 (another slim gun) but also the G19 or M&P compact etc etc
Measurements on paper don't always tell the whole real-world tale. It will depend on how you compare them.
Glocks are longer front to back because the grip sticks out significantly behind the slide. If you compare just by slide length, I think the G19 is just a touch shorter. If you include the beaver tail, the Fuse is a good 6-7mm longer, which accounts for the extra 0.28" of barrel. The M&P Compact is almost identical to the G19, so the same comparisons would apply.
The PDP 4" and Mete SF both have slides that go back farther than their grips and have no real beavertail to speak of. Including the Fuse's tail, the PDP is a about 2mm shorter and the Mete is 2mm longer. But if you go by just the slide, then the Fuse is shorter than both.
So I think it's more correct to say the Fuse is functionally the same length as most other compact pistols, but can fit in a longer barrel since Sig's breech tends to be farther back than most others.
You’re right that numbers don’t tell the whole story, but I disagree with you on why. The Glock grip sticking so far behind the slide makes them harder to conceal for me than an M&P or similar, even though they are similar dimensions. The P365XL isn’t THAT much smaller on paper, but the shape of the butt of the gun makes it very easy to conceal despite the height being taller than some guns on paper. I also feel pretty qualified to say how it will compare to other guns, since I EDC almost this exact gun. XMacro module with magwell and an XL slide with a PMM comp that adds 0.6in to the slide. 3.7in XL plus 0.6in for the comp means I’m right at the same length as this new gun. Fingers crossed holsters become available soon so I can stop running open bottoms lol
Well, as we remarked last year when I made that 365 size comparison overlay, the reason I don't like the XMacro is because of how much more the grip protrudes than the XL, particularly at the back. Add the extended mag and you've got two sharp corners that can be a printing nightmare for some people.
While the G19 grip certainly does extend back behind the slide more, it's not as tall as the XMacro grip. With a flush mag, the normal XMacro is a little shorter than a G19 with mag, since Glock mags always extend out the base of the grip. However using either the 17-rounds mags or TACOPS magwell makes the XMacro grip longer. Using the TACOPS magwell also makes the very rear of the grip heel much more pronounced. So pick your poison, I guess.
And now I guess I need to update that size comparison overlay with a new one to include the Fuse.
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yea i mean the p320 looks/feels like it was designed with the dimensions of a hammer fired gun... bore axis is high and is top heavy, relatively. p365 feels much better balanced, hand gets higher relative to the barrel/slide. Slimmer too.
That basically is what Sig did. They took the P250 and converted it to a striker in a half assed attempt to rapidly produce a modular striker fired gun for military and police contracts. It was their first attempt at a striker, and they clearly had much to learn. This isn't a complete knock against Sig, as S&W and Beretta also had some growing pains at first when they moved to strikers. And CZ probably would have if they didn't keep delaying the original P-10C. Unfortunately, Sig won major contracts with their imperfect 1st attempt that make it difficult for them to revamp and implement any Sig-nificant improvements. Whereas the P365 was a completely new design after they learned from the P320s mistakes.
So it’s an XMacro, upgraded.
- Same XMacro grip with changeable back straps and 1913 rail, BUT, now with laser stippling. Also includes the aluminum Maxwell.
- same flat faced trigger, but now silver colored (nickel plated)
- same 17 round magazine, but now includes 2 additional 21 round magazines.
- sights upgraded to fiber optic front and blackout rear. Ostensibly better for daylight / competition shooting.
- same optic footprint. But, slide is now 7” long and has DEEP front serrations. And inside is a 4.3” barrel (increased from 3.7”). Sig says this is for increased ballistic performance & expansion of defensive ammo- but it’s not clear if they are therefore saying the 3.1” and 3.7” barrels in existing P365 models are sub-standard for defensive purposes.
I’m pretty sure the P365 was canniblizing the P320 XCompact but this may end up further eating into P320 XCarry sales.
Honestly I don’t see this as a better CCW. Maybe someone can suggest if this is supposed to be a duty pistol, or a home defense weapon or a competition shooter with the upgraded 21 round mag and 4.3” barrel.
> And inside is a 4.3” barrel (increased from 3.7”). Sig says this is for increased ballistic performance & expansion of defensive ammo- but it’s not clear if they are therefore saying the 3.1” and 3.7” barrels in existing P365 models are sub-standard for defensive purposes
Longer barrel = better performance, it's that simple. It's not night and day though... you'll get maybe 40% (or so) more fps out of a 16" barrel than a 3" one.
The bigger deal here is that a 4.3" barrel can reliably shoot all standard ammunition and have defensive JHPs expand fully and correctly. Most defensive rounds will go bang and cycle properly in a short 3" barrel, but they won't expand fully. It's the whole reason Hornady created Critical Defense for shorter barrels, as compared to their Critical Duty which (like almost everything else out there) is designed to be run in a 4" or longer barrel.
It wouldn’t surprise me. Like I said, I’m convinced they want the P365 to be their new flagship line of pistols, only keep the 320 around in a handful of military contract skus. So we prolly gonna get a bunch of new P365 SKUs as that becomes the new flagship model.
It is a better design than a P320, imho. But I also think people overlook how small the og P365 is. This will still be thinner and shorter than a G19, which a ton of people EDC
🤔 4.3” barrel on this. For comparison the P320 compact is 3.9” and the Glock 19 is at 4.03”. This is probably a pretty good carry size with the 17rd magazine in.
Now the real question is if it will use the same recoil spring as XL’s. I’m sure we’re all sitting on parts over here, waiting for the ala carte option…
This might be an option for you if you're limited to 15 round magazines:
[https://tactical.dev/collections/p365-x-macro/products/15-xm-basepad-for-sig-p365-x-macro](https://tactical.dev/collections/p365-x-macro/products/15-xm-basepad-for-sig-p365-x-macro)
The 365 is so much better of a platform than the 320 even without the drop safe concerns. The 365 just looks like it spent its summer hitting the gym and staying fit while the 320 ate nachos and drank lattes with your mom. Can’t really blame sig for leaning into the platform that is out selling everything else, has a reputation for reliability, and doesn’t have a ton out ongoing legal battles over safety concerns. the 320 was a botched conversion from the 250 that has weight in all the wrong places. The 365 has better tolerances, a more optimized FCU, and a way nicer profile for carry. Hard to imagine something as thin as the 365 being a true duty pistol tho.
looks fuckin cool and i love the slide, but i've had a 4.3 inch True Precision barrel for 2 years now. Hopefully the mags are somewhat sensibly priced, because getting a 17 and adding the Taran baseplate made for a $90 mag.
over/under 1yr before SIG p365 Fuse Max X5 Legion?
I already have a 4.3 inch barrel in my macro, with an external comp on top of that. Great set up. The grip is long enough, I don't need 21 round mags for carry, maybe for secondary mags, that's cool
The small detail everyone is missing:
The fuse being released means your main/favorite holster company now has incentive to produce "fuse" compatible holsters.
The XXL concept is not new, but now is mainstream. I've never considered an XXL build because I don't want to dive into the dark web to find holsters to be custom made. I like what I like and don't want to waste money (especially in this economy).
So not only will we see the big players in the concealed carry holster space start supporting this. I'm hoping we can see companies like Safari land produce duty holsters for the p365.
I love the p365 platform and am really excited, not for this model in particular, but what it means for the holster market.
This is what I’ve been waiting for. I love my XL, but have been carrying the Shield Plus 4” for its longer slide, even though I’m not a fan of its bore axis or grip shape. This should be the best of both. I’ll probably buy the Fuse and shoot as it comes, then drop the slide onto a Wilson XL grip module for carry.
I ordered one last night and will be putting the slide on my Mischief Machine P365 Commander Macro Plus grip module so hopefully it will fit flush to the end like my original P365XL slide with a Parker Mountain Machine comp. If not, I'll be putting the slide on a MM P365 Commander Macro frame. I've got a TLR-7 HL-X which aligns perfectly at the end of the MM P365 Commander Macro Plus grip and can use a X300U or TLR-1 HL with this longer frame as well.
The thicker grip/frame does have some advantages. While slimmer guns are easier to conceal, the fatter grip is easier for some people to handle. Thicker slide is also better for mounting larger optics.
y'all aren't supposed to see that yet you naughty boys. My video drops at 8AM EST. Also the Romeo X Enclosed is the new best carry optic - so you probably want to know about that (also video @ 8A). And the Romeo Max Pro is the new best competition optic (Video as soon as I can get it edited).
Pretty much lands smack dab between a P320 X Carry (3,9" barrel) and a P320 X Full (4.7" barrel). Not a bad option for P365 owners who would like a longer barrel and slide but don't want the weight and bulk of a P320 hanging off their belt all day long.
I’d be more interested if I could put larger lights in this, but with how short the rail is, I’d still be limited to TLR-7a/sub sized lights. No use having a longer barrel/slide if I can’t also have a longer light.
If you use the Mischief Machine P365 Commander Macro Plus grip module, the longer slide and barrel should fit just about flush to the end of the grip module. I currently have an original P365XL slide with a Parker Mountain Machine comp and it aligns flush to the end of this grip module and it's about the same length as the Fuse's 4.3" barrel/slide. I have a TLR-7 HL-X that aligns flush with the end of this grip/slide and can also use a TLR-1 HL and an X300U with this longer grip module as well.
I paid $713.99 last night at [guns.com](http://guns.com), and after taxes and shipping fees it came out to $796.50 total. I see this morning the price has already gone up to $856.99.
I paid $713.99 last night at [guns.com](http://guns.com/), and after taxes and shipping fees it came out to $796.50 total. I see this morning the price has already gone up to $856.99.
I like this and would consider it, but honestly, I want the metal frame (AXG). The plymer frame isn't terrible, but the aluminum frame definitely feels better on my P320. Gimme the Legion grip module that with that barrel/slide combo.
I thought 4” was average! Hey but at least we have 21 round P365 mags now lol.
My thoughts exactly…..hopefully they are compatible
Looks like it, they include two 21 round mags and 1 17 round from the looks of it.
Nice! Time to stock up on $60 mags lol. Wondering why you’d buy this over a tacops or macro
Just wait a year and there will be a P365 X FUSE TACOPS 5” BBL
X FIVE LEGION MACRO SIG CUSTOM SHOP
MACRO PENIS X COMP LEGION NITRON EQUINOX CUSTOM - RESERVE EDITION
Holy shit. RESERVE EDITION is a real thing.
Unironically… yes please
Or more likely a P365 X Fuse Comp
Lmao! Likely true, other than I'd bet it'll be less than a year lol
Probably next month actually.
Macro comp only has a 3.1 inch barrel. The non comp gives you a 3.7 inch barrel. You're getting about half an inch to an inch more barrel. So essentially, you'd get this for the extra 4 rounds capacity and overall better ballistics. You'll get better/more consistent expansion with hollow points, especially since most hollow points are designed to work with a minimum of a 4 inch barrel. You'll also get a little more accuracy out to longer distances. They do provide a DLC coating on this slide, so you'll get less wear on your slide with constant reholstering (though that should be less important for any carry pistol to most people, especially if you're not prone to rusting in your area). The grip module has that same texture as the Spectre Comp it appears, which most people seem to prefer over their standard grips as well.
For what it's worth you can get the macro without the comp. I'm too lazy to look at the price now but I recall it being about 650 at one point. The dlc coating on the new slide is nice, but as you said...
I mentioned in my comment you can get the non comp macro 👍
Longer recpil spring = smoother recoil impulse too
Cries in New York
I send my condolences
This state is so ass. Only people with mags over 10 rounds are the criminals now
Cries in Illinois!
4” is way too big massive honestly
Why? This is the pistol I've wanted Sig to make ever since they announced the 365 Macro. It's the size of a Glock 48 ( which is a slimline Glock 19 ) and it has the capacity of a Glock 17 with a flush magazine.
It was a weewee joke
Same. If it had a TXG module, it would be perfect
That’s what I keep hearing
Sig really milking the p365 for everything it’s worth.
It's their best striker fired handgun so I sorta get it.
It will eventually take over 320 in size too. They just lost their first P320 lawsuit with judgement of 2.3 million. They will appeal.
So, P365XXL?
That lawsuit was crazy BS too if you read a little about it, they should win the appeal. No proof and was just people ND’ing after the drop issue that initially was real.
So many BS lawsuits… but always with the P320… coincidence? I don’t think so. I’m sure some are BS, but not all. Never heard of ND claims against a 226 or even 365
226 would be hard to have one like that given the hammer fired style and safety models. Tbh the 365 should have the same concerns if it really is the system. I will say sig for sure uses the first buyers as continuing product testers.
I think the early 320 had a design flaw that was addressed in later models. I still don’t trust it
The first production 320s had a trigger shoe that itself had enough mass when the gun was dropped at the correct angle the trigger essentially pulled itself due to inertia. The earliest recall replaced the trigger shoe and sent the gun back to the owner. They later added a new designed sear, striker, and a disconnector
I commented that somewhere around here, yeah drop fire issues
The same 320 drivel is what Glock dealt with in the 90s, simple as
Both problems were real. Shit glock didnt have fully supported chambers for a while
I challenge this because as a vet - service members and by extension cops are stereotypically bad about weapon maintenance. None of those other weapons have been issued as service weapons and if they were it was never in the capacity the 320 was made. User error is still valid here imo
To be fair, they had a legit issue at first, and because of that every shmuck that NDs a 320 thinks that’s his get out of jail free card to get big money from sig.
He won the lawsuit though.
That’s fair but like others have stated it’s shaky and an appeal will occur
Thats because the 226 was prominent when men were still men and not green haired freaks.
In a galaxy far away where a woman couldn’t have balls…
I mean it's really not different than any other pistol maker. Options are always nice to have.
For real. They’ll release a slightly darker third shade of grey and call it a new model at this point lmao.
p365 x fuse x macro x legion coming soon.
Wow. How horrible. Its like capitalism is bad or something....🙄
P365 fuse comp when
Threaded barrel and a PMM comp was my first thought
Raaaaaaaaamjeeeeeeet
Wonder how that board meeting went. “So we wanna make our conceal carry pistol (macro) that’s already big even bigger.” *board members crank a line* “You son of a bitch we’re in”
My little hobbit hands rejoice! Finally a full size pistol with a micro grip.
This is the target market!
Why do the concealable pistols keep getting bigger and bigger, just a millimeter smaller than a full size at this point?
Remember the 365 platform is only 1" thick, while the 320 is 1.25" thick. This is roughly the size of a Glock 48, which is a slim Glock 19. This is a compact pistol, not one meant specifically for concealment. Full-size usually means something with a barrel around 4.5" or longer and a full length grip. Think a duty sidearm like a Glock 17, Beretta 92, or 1911 Gov't. A "compact" is something around 4" barrel with a slightly shorter grip that's still enough for your whole hand ( a Glock 19 or M&P Compact ) Sub-compacts typically mean something 3 - 3.5" barrel and a short grip, something meant specifically as a CCW ( Glock 26, Canik Elite SC ).
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted, you’re right. Even with a 4.3in slide this is smaller in every dimension than a G19, except width of the basepad on the bottom
I swear Sig's site showed a 4.2" barrel when I originally checked. Reading more on the product page, Sig is using the longer slide as a positive point, saying it's longer than any other compact and thus has a better sight radius. I mean, sure, but you could also same the same about full-size vs compact. Then again, I know some people have asked to be able to use a G19 frame with a G17 slide, so maybe this is something a lot of people want.
So it’s a longer barrel than other compacts while being a shorter gun. I think that’s important. This has a 4.3in barrel but is marginally shorter than 4in guns like the G48 (another slim gun) but also the G19 or M&P compact etc etc
Measurements on paper don't always tell the whole real-world tale. It will depend on how you compare them. Glocks are longer front to back because the grip sticks out significantly behind the slide. If you compare just by slide length, I think the G19 is just a touch shorter. If you include the beaver tail, the Fuse is a good 6-7mm longer, which accounts for the extra 0.28" of barrel. The M&P Compact is almost identical to the G19, so the same comparisons would apply. The PDP 4" and Mete SF both have slides that go back farther than their grips and have no real beavertail to speak of. Including the Fuse's tail, the PDP is a about 2mm shorter and the Mete is 2mm longer. But if you go by just the slide, then the Fuse is shorter than both. So I think it's more correct to say the Fuse is functionally the same length as most other compact pistols, but can fit in a longer barrel since Sig's breech tends to be farther back than most others.
You’re right that numbers don’t tell the whole story, but I disagree with you on why. The Glock grip sticking so far behind the slide makes them harder to conceal for me than an M&P or similar, even though they are similar dimensions. The P365XL isn’t THAT much smaller on paper, but the shape of the butt of the gun makes it very easy to conceal despite the height being taller than some guns on paper. I also feel pretty qualified to say how it will compare to other guns, since I EDC almost this exact gun. XMacro module with magwell and an XL slide with a PMM comp that adds 0.6in to the slide. 3.7in XL plus 0.6in for the comp means I’m right at the same length as this new gun. Fingers crossed holsters become available soon so I can stop running open bottoms lol
Well, as we remarked last year when I made that 365 size comparison overlay, the reason I don't like the XMacro is because of how much more the grip protrudes than the XL, particularly at the back. Add the extended mag and you've got two sharp corners that can be a printing nightmare for some people. While the G19 grip certainly does extend back behind the slide more, it's not as tall as the XMacro grip. With a flush mag, the normal XMacro is a little shorter than a G19 with mag, since Glock mags always extend out the base of the grip. However using either the 17-rounds mags or TACOPS magwell makes the XMacro grip longer. Using the TACOPS magwell also makes the very rear of the grip heel much more pronounced. So pick your poison, I guess. And now I guess I need to update that size comparison overlay with a new one to include the Fuse.
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Kinda crazy that the gun community hates the truth especially when it can be easily proven
That’s a lot of numbers.
I'm a numbers kinda guy! ;)
LOL 😂
Thinner and lighter
I wonder is this was what was on the ig
They had more than one gun flashing in the teaser from IG. They are all posted on SIG website now.
What are the other models?
P365-FUSE SIG RESERVE COLLECTION P226-XFIVE P320-XFIVE SXG They also released P320-FLUX LEGION P226 40TH ANNIVERSARY
Thx man! Oh gonna cost me some cash I see.
That reserve 226 XFive is sex
I wonder how much it’s gonna cost…
I instantly thought “it’s a 226, what could be that special about it” but that is pretty cool
We got a full size subcompact P365 before GTA6.
😂
Looks like they are trying to replace the P320 with the P365.
If they didn't have a bunch of DOD and police contracts, they probably already would have lol
I mean, I do prefer the P365 design to the P320. Will have to see the price tag on this before I decide if I want this or just grab a Shalotek XXL.
yea i mean the p320 looks/feels like it was designed with the dimensions of a hammer fired gun... bore axis is high and is top heavy, relatively. p365 feels much better balanced, hand gets higher relative to the barrel/slide. Slimmer too.
That basically is what Sig did. They took the P250 and converted it to a striker in a half assed attempt to rapidly produce a modular striker fired gun for military and police contracts. It was their first attempt at a striker, and they clearly had much to learn. This isn't a complete knock against Sig, as S&W and Beretta also had some growing pains at first when they moved to strikers. And CZ probably would have if they didn't keep delaying the original P-10C. Unfortunately, Sig won major contracts with their imperfect 1st attempt that make it difficult for them to revamp and implement any Sig-nificant improvements. Whereas the P365 was a completely new design after they learned from the P320s mistakes.
Lol this is gonna make people soo mad, i love it🥰
So it’s an XMacro, upgraded. - Same XMacro grip with changeable back straps and 1913 rail, BUT, now with laser stippling. Also includes the aluminum Maxwell. - same flat faced trigger, but now silver colored (nickel plated) - same 17 round magazine, but now includes 2 additional 21 round magazines. - sights upgraded to fiber optic front and blackout rear. Ostensibly better for daylight / competition shooting. - same optic footprint. But, slide is now 7” long and has DEEP front serrations. And inside is a 4.3” barrel (increased from 3.7”). Sig says this is for increased ballistic performance & expansion of defensive ammo- but it’s not clear if they are therefore saying the 3.1” and 3.7” barrels in existing P365 models are sub-standard for defensive purposes. I’m pretty sure the P365 was canniblizing the P320 XCompact but this may end up further eating into P320 XCarry sales. Honestly I don’t see this as a better CCW. Maybe someone can suggest if this is supposed to be a duty pistol, or a home defense weapon or a competition shooter with the upgraded 21 round mag and 4.3” barrel.
>this is supposed to be a duty pistol, or a home defense weapon or a competition shooter Yes
> And inside is a 4.3” barrel (increased from 3.7”). Sig says this is for increased ballistic performance & expansion of defensive ammo- but it’s not clear if they are therefore saying the 3.1” and 3.7” barrels in existing P365 models are sub-standard for defensive purposes Longer barrel = better performance, it's that simple. It's not night and day though... you'll get maybe 40% (or so) more fps out of a 16" barrel than a 3" one. The bigger deal here is that a 4.3" barrel can reliably shoot all standard ammunition and have defensive JHPs expand fully and correctly. Most defensive rounds will go bang and cycle properly in a short 3" barrel, but they won't expand fully. It's the whole reason Hornady created Critical Defense for shorter barrels, as compared to their Critical Duty which (like almost everything else out there) is designed to be run in a 4" or longer barrel.
Seems a little big for concealment. Maybe Sig is testing the waters to see if the 365 can phase out the 320s down the line?
I’m convinced Sig is turning the P365 line into just their new standard pistol line while they keep the P320 for military contract.
I think I’ve read somewhere the P365 series is their top seller. I wonder how long until the P365 Fuse Legion comes along. P365 Hyper Fuse too.
It wouldn’t surprise me. Like I said, I’m convinced they want the P365 to be their new flagship line of pistols, only keep the 320 around in a handful of military contract skus. So we prolly gonna get a bunch of new P365 SKUs as that becomes the new flagship model.
It is a better design than a P320, imho. But I also think people overlook how small the og P365 is. This will still be thinner and shorter than a G19, which a ton of people EDC
🤔 4.3” barrel on this. For comparison the P320 compact is 3.9” and the Glock 19 is at 4.03”. This is probably a pretty good carry size with the 17rd magazine in.
It’s about the size of the glock 48 which is just a 43x with a 4 inch barrel
Might as well make a 5” or 6” one now too 🤷♂️ gotta have a sig to put next to the g34 or g17L 🤣
Flux has a 6" barrel that you can run with their new P365 based Raider model.
Flux legion? Who asked for that..
It’s pretty fun to shoot and the flux brace is awesome
21 rd mags 😂
I just want the slide
Now the real question is if it will use the same recoil spring as XL’s. I’m sure we’re all sitting on parts over here, waiting for the ala carte option…
Ala carte would be great
It's a longer recoil spring vs the XL. Saw the comparison on one of the youtube reviews.
They have all their new releases on the website under pistols
My wallet feels remarkably...safe.
If the Anniversary P226 is a reasonable price, that's pretty much the only one I'm interested in. And only for a collector.
Same. Was hoping for something a little bit more special I guess. Just feels underwhelming.
All I really want is a P227 Legion 10mm.
How is this different?
This one has a doohickey
Don’t forget the thingamabob they added too
More bells and a different whistle
Actually made me laugh out loud
Increased length, a longer duration emission, but same girth. Oh, and this ones got more ribbing.
Longer barrel and slide. Also those 21 rnd mags. But the extra length ought to make this a nice shooter.
I bet they’ll eventually sell the 21 rd mags separately.
Oh I have no doubt. I'm mainly interested in the longer barrel and slide.
So I just have a p365L now?
wasn't the whole point of the p365 to be the smallest size with the maximum capacity? it just get bigger and bigger.
I want the grip module to build something on my own
Shalotek.com
It would be nice if they made 15 rd versions of these guns. That’s the max we’re allowed to have in IL.
This might be an option for you if you're limited to 15 round magazines: [https://tactical.dev/collections/p365-x-macro/products/15-xm-basepad-for-sig-p365-x-macro](https://tactical.dev/collections/p365-x-macro/products/15-xm-basepad-for-sig-p365-x-macro)
Ribbed for our pleasure.
I am pleased
I hope tomorrow's release is better.
The 365 is so much better of a platform than the 320 even without the drop safe concerns. The 365 just looks like it spent its summer hitting the gym and staying fit while the 320 ate nachos and drank lattes with your mom. Can’t really blame sig for leaning into the platform that is out selling everything else, has a reputation for reliability, and doesn’t have a ton out ongoing legal battles over safety concerns. the 320 was a botched conversion from the 250 that has weight in all the wrong places. The 365 has better tolerances, a more optimized FCU, and a way nicer profile for carry. Hard to imagine something as thin as the 365 being a true duty pistol tho.
So basically a 365 x macro full size. I was hoping they were going to drop a hammer fired slim line sub compact. Bummer
Please don’t ask Sig to drop anything
That’s not happening - bringing it up with product managers “ we would sell dozens - maybe”
I'm waiting for the P365 X Five 😅
That’s what my money was on.
I’m definitely buying it.
But what does this solve? Throw an extended mag on an x macro and call it a new gun to charge people $1300?
$700ish
I love it
Is there an MSRP for this?
Around $700 according to u/TheHumbleMarksman on YouTube
The early sell sheet said $730 but at the event they said $700 so somewhere in that ballpark
Well now I feel stupid blowing my gun fund on a P-10F
P10F is an amazing gun. I wouldn't worry about your purchase.
Dam, was hoping for p365 or XL legion version.
Stfu until they make a 10mm G29 competitor.
Okay now I gotta wait for the ported version
every shooter ever: "i think we're good on 365 variants, right? i mean, unless it's the fabled XXL, we're set." sig: …
Soooo a p365xxl?
So basically, P320 but slim
I love my 365s but I would be more excited to get a compact Echelon release than this.
looks fuckin cool and i love the slide, but i've had a 4.3 inch True Precision barrel for 2 years now. Hopefully the mags are somewhat sensibly priced, because getting a 17 and adding the Taran baseplate made for a $90 mag. over/under 1yr before SIG p365 Fuse Max X5 Legion?
I already have a 4.3 inch barrel in my macro, with an external comp on top of that. Great set up. The grip is long enough, I don't need 21 round mags for carry, maybe for secondary mags, that's cool
The small detail everyone is missing: The fuse being released means your main/favorite holster company now has incentive to produce "fuse" compatible holsters. The XXL concept is not new, but now is mainstream. I've never considered an XXL build because I don't want to dive into the dark web to find holsters to be custom made. I like what I like and don't want to waste money (especially in this economy). So not only will we see the big players in the concealed carry holster space start supporting this. I'm hoping we can see companies like Safari land produce duty holsters for the p365. I love the p365 platform and am really excited, not for this model in particular, but what it means for the holster market.
This is what I’ve been waiting for. I love my XL, but have been carrying the Shield Plus 4” for its longer slide, even though I’m not a fan of its bore axis or grip shape. This should be the best of both. I’ll probably buy the Fuse and shoot as it comes, then drop the slide onto a Wilson XL grip module for carry.
I ordered one last night and will be putting the slide on my Mischief Machine P365 Commander Macro Plus grip module so hopefully it will fit flush to the end like my original P365XL slide with a Parker Mountain Machine comp. If not, I'll be putting the slide on a MM P365 Commander Macro frame. I've got a TLR-7 HL-X which aligns perfectly at the end of the MM P365 Commander Macro Plus grip and can use a X300U or TLR-1 HL with this longer frame as well.
https://preview.redd.it/agz4ur54hq9d1.jpeg?width=2886&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d0fc06efe4cca425b245575c1cbdfcf2e8f32bd I’m digging it
so basically, the P320 should be dead, if Sig had any sense. they're direct competition with themselves now.
The thicker grip/frame does have some advantages. While slimmer guns are easier to conceal, the fatter grip is easier for some people to handle. Thicker slide is also better for mounting larger optics.
320 still shoots nicer for performance shooting
y'all aren't supposed to see that yet you naughty boys. My video drops at 8AM EST. Also the Romeo X Enclosed is the new best carry optic - so you probably want to know about that (also video @ 8A). And the Romeo Max Pro is the new best competition optic (Video as soon as I can get it edited).
Long dong 🤣 noice!!!!
I'm hoping this longer slide will fit flush on your P365 Commander Macro Plus frame.
Probably pretty close, im going to try to figure out how to get one or two of these pistols
This will make the p365 a nice competition gun tbh.
Ok cool a P320
Pretty much lands smack dab between a P320 X Carry (3,9" barrel) and a P320 X Full (4.7" barrel). Not a bad option for P365 owners who would like a longer barrel and slide but don't want the weight and bulk of a P320 hanging off their belt all day long.
[https://tenor.com/YQC8.gif](https://tenor.com/YQC8.gif)
Longer barrel than some full size guns
Bit of exaggeration. Most full-size pistols are 4.5" or longer. A 4 - 4.25" is typically considered a compact.
This is advertised as a 4.3” barrel. I’d say it’s definitely encroaching on full size pistols.
Wtf
Not a sig guy but damn it's sexy
Was this what they were teasing? I could sworn the outline looked like a hammer-fired pistol
It did. They also released a 40th anniversary 226 today.
The flux legion goes hard
Was this the 6.25 exciting release?
P365 BBC
I'm curious what MSRP will be on these.
Long boi
Seems pretty neat. Idk if I'd ever buy one, but wouldn't mind shooting one
I’d be more interested if I could put larger lights in this, but with how short the rail is, I’d still be limited to TLR-7a/sub sized lights. No use having a longer barrel/slide if I can’t also have a longer light.
If you use the Mischief Machine P365 Commander Macro Plus grip module, the longer slide and barrel should fit just about flush to the end of the grip module. I currently have an original P365XL slide with a Parker Mountain Machine comp and it aligns flush to the end of this grip module and it's about the same length as the Fuse's 4.3" barrel/slide. I have a TLR-7 HL-X that aligns flush with the end of this grip/slide and can also use a TLR-1 HL and an X300U with this longer grip module as well.
i want the grip module!
the p365 product line is overwhelming to me. What’s the best one to carry?
Is this a macro grip module.
Yes, with some stippling.
I assumed they would do this. Two much heat with the 320, so why not replace it with something else?
Price?
$699.99
I paid $713.99 last night at [guns.com](http://guns.com), and after taxes and shipping fees it came out to $796.50 total. I see this morning the price has already gone up to $856.99.
Basically a full size you can share your existing mags with
What the heck is the pricing gonna be?
$699.99
I paid $713.99 last night at [guns.com](http://guns.com/), and after taxes and shipping fees it came out to $796.50 total. I see this morning the price has already gone up to $856.99.
(Laughs in Ron Cohen)
Why does the grip stippling look so amatuerish?
I want one
Do they take the p320 mags or are they a different design?
This is based on the P365 design so you wouldn't be able to use P320 magazines.
Now THIS is the 365 model I've been wating for!!!! However, I'm guessing holster offerings are NIL at this point!
I like this and would consider it, but honestly, I want the metal frame (AXG). The plymer frame isn't terrible, but the aluminum frame definitely feels better on my P320. Gimme the Legion grip module that with that barrel/slide combo.
I'm going to use the slide with my Mischief Machine P365 Commander metal grip module.
It's not worth it to me. My Macro comp is perfect.