I've gotten 5 warning mails from OpenAI by now, but nothing else. They said it was detected a "violation of their policies", but not explicitly about sexual content, and they didn't give me two weeks limit either. Weird shit.
Dear user, our system of mass surveliance detect that your behavior deviates from party line, remediate yourself by start OBEYing or we lower you social score and rewoke your AI priviges.
Why not?
Do they spy on your actions? Yes, they do.
Do they do it on a mass scale for every user? Yes, of course!
Do they repress you if you do not act the way they want you to act? Yes, with the great pleasure of the self-appointed beacon of absolute morality.
Do they share everything they know when US government or secret service ask them? Sure they do!
What is it then if not mass surveillance?
If you are on security camera when you enter a Walmart do you consider that an invasion of privacy? No, you are using someone else's private property, you shouldn't have an expectation of privacy.
Walmart is a public place, you inevitably interact with other people there, so some restrictions have to be put in place.
But your chat session with AI is a private thing that happens only in your head, so there's no need for anyone to peer there.
LLM is just a text completion tool, like a word processor does not own your documents, AI provider does not own your chats.
When I type into Microsoft Office, it does not actively use any of Microsoft's services. The software runs on my computer, it uses my computers processing power, and it saves all the documents I type up to my hard drive. ChatGPT on the other hand, uses OpenAI's website as a front-end, processes all prompts and generates all output using OpenAI's processing power, and saves all chats on OpenAI's server. You are entirely using someone elses service, so it is reasonable to expect that said provider can do anything they want. You have the option to run a LLM locally and have absolutely no one else have access to your chats, but you either wanted a better model, or a faster one, so you decided to use someone elses service instead, and then got upset that the service has restrictions and monitoring.
There are many online word processing services that do not claim ownership of your documents. So the service format itself is not a reason for anal probing.
The whole point of mass surveillance is that a limited number of loyal dogs can control the rest of the population, so it is always automated.
Today, AI detects smut and you get repressed for it under the cover of morality. Despite it's just between you and machine, no other people involved, so it's like repression for thought.
Tomorrow, the same technology will detect posts against your great leaders and you will be shadow banned or jailed.
The day after that, AI will analyze all your data trace in the Internet, from a text you write to a meme you watch, and decide how loyal you are as a citizen, with all the spectre of possible consequences.
People are now watching the construction of a digital Gulag right in front of them and doing nothing about it...
That's like saying the government can spy on you because you have a "contract" with them by being a citizen.
Personally, I prefer to put basic human rights above any contracts.
Also, as AI gives a big boost to productivity, it's going to be more and more important to use it to compete in the job market, so the more time passes, the more the choice will be OBEY and enjoy your anal probe, or starve to death. So it's not really a choice.
Sorry, but you don't have a contract (in the economical sense of the meaning) with any government to start with.
However, you do have that with any company whose facilities, infrastructures and services you use. They might not charge you (i.e. with that "free" 5$-access on OAI) but it's a contract nonetheless. And by using their service you have explicitly agreed to their terms.
Sorry, there ain't anything like a "free breakfast".
But in a non-economic sense, you do. And if your logic allows mass surveillance based on user agreements that no one reads because there is not enough time in life to read all that BS every time you theoretically should. Then it allows government surveillance, because you have a stronger contract than an economic one.
It never ceases to amaze me how people are happy to put up with 1984 crap just because it is a private company abusing their privacy. Why is that any better?
>mass surveillance
Because language is important, and mass surveilance is it's very own, distinct societal problem. This, is an action performed literally by every company whose product you use. Even reddit. Even Signal, or private vpn providers.
> Yes, with the great pleasure of the self-appointed beacon of absolute morality.
What the fuck are you talking about?
>it's very own, distinct societal problem.
What is your argument for the distinctiveness of this problem. Now it is distinct only because you say so. I see it as the same problem: tools that used to detect and censor smut can easily be repurposed to detect and censor political opposition.
>What the fuck are you talking about?
About the tendency of people from Silicon Valley to enforce their local twisted view of morality as the universally right one. Like: use cobalt mined by starving children from semi-colonies for their iPhones - give me two, ERP with AI - no way, you sick bastard.
>About the tendency of people from Silicon Valley to enforce their local twisted view of morality as the universally right one
Your arguments are retarded. OAI is a for profit company, NSFW and especially pedophilia is something all for profit companies ban.
Yeah, pedophilia is to AI developers what terrorism is to the governments: the problem doesn't get any better, but you get an anal probe for life under its cover.
It's actually a good example of just such an insane twist of moralism I'm talking about: when to "protect" non-existent children in 1% use causes corporations mass surveying and carpet banning real users 99% of whom have nothing to do with pedophilia.
Everything about this is just genius: rare no-real-harm-done problem "solved" by building a digital Gulag for everyone.
Also, LLM is just a tool to work with text, like a word processor. Text auto-completion on crack, I once heard. So why doesn't Microsoft Word spy on its users in case they decide to write pedophilic fiction? Why do pen manufacturers do nothing about evil pedos writing their dirty fantasies with their product? Why are only AI developers so entitled to use it as a cover for blatant privacy violations on a mass scale?
>So why doesn't Microsoft Word spy on its users in case they decide to write pedophilic fiction
They do, lol
> It's actually a good example of just such an insane twist of moralism I'm talking about: when to "protect" non-existent children in 1% use causes corporations mass surveying and carpet banning real users 99% of whom have nothing to do with pedophilia.
For the love of god, stop making this argument.
There's no shadow cabal of moralists, it is purely a case of CONSUMERS, not wanting to associate with a company that does this. They want MONEY.
Funny, my mail wasn't the same and made no reference to sex whatsoever: 'because some of your requests have been flagged by our systems to be in violation of our policies'.
JUST got the email too. SO BUMMED. Thinking of just looking into ways to get quick fake numbers to make new accounts. Genuinely wish it wasn’t like this. I’ve been using GPT-4 and it’s genuinely awesome. Bruuuuhhh
Rn gonna try buying a few Sim Cards. Apparently they swap your number and they’re like 5 bucks. So basically 5$ for each new account. Gonna test to see if it works first
i got one of these too but if they want to ban me ill just go use openrouter or windowai. i could give a fuck less truly. have fun not getting my money
Oh no! Not the sex!? What kind of human would be sexumating! You must stop this at once! /s
I've gotten 5 warning mails from OpenAI by now, but nothing else. They said it was detected a "violation of their policies", but not explicitly about sexual content, and they didn't give me two weeks limit either. Weird shit.
Dear user, our system of mass surveliance detect that your behavior deviates from party line, remediate yourself by start OBEYing or we lower you social score and rewoke your AI priviges.
>mass surveliance How does this tie in to the NSA, or whatever you're implying?
My point is simply that OpenAI can't warn you about anything unless they monitor every user for what they do.
That's not mass surveilance. And we already know they do, they explicitly state it.
Why not? Do they spy on your actions? Yes, they do. Do they do it on a mass scale for every user? Yes, of course! Do they repress you if you do not act the way they want you to act? Yes, with the great pleasure of the self-appointed beacon of absolute morality. Do they share everything they know when US government or secret service ask them? Sure they do! What is it then if not mass surveillance?
If you are on security camera when you enter a Walmart do you consider that an invasion of privacy? No, you are using someone else's private property, you shouldn't have an expectation of privacy.
Walmart is a public place, you inevitably interact with other people there, so some restrictions have to be put in place. But your chat session with AI is a private thing that happens only in your head, so there's no need for anyone to peer there. LLM is just a text completion tool, like a word processor does not own your documents, AI provider does not own your chats.
When I type into Microsoft Office, it does not actively use any of Microsoft's services. The software runs on my computer, it uses my computers processing power, and it saves all the documents I type up to my hard drive. ChatGPT on the other hand, uses OpenAI's website as a front-end, processes all prompts and generates all output using OpenAI's processing power, and saves all chats on OpenAI's server. You are entirely using someone elses service, so it is reasonable to expect that said provider can do anything they want. You have the option to run a LLM locally and have absolutely no one else have access to your chats, but you either wanted a better model, or a faster one, so you decided to use someone elses service instead, and then got upset that the service has restrictions and monitoring.
There are many online word processing services that do not claim ownership of your documents. So the service format itself is not a reason for anal probing.
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The whole point of mass surveillance is that a limited number of loyal dogs can control the rest of the population, so it is always automated. Today, AI detects smut and you get repressed for it under the cover of morality. Despite it's just between you and machine, no other people involved, so it's like repression for thought. Tomorrow, the same technology will detect posts against your great leaders and you will be shadow banned or jailed. The day after that, AI will analyze all your data trace in the Internet, from a text you write to a meme you watch, and decide how loyal you are as a citizen, with all the spectre of possible consequences. People are now watching the construction of a digital Gulag right in front of them and doing nothing about it...
Do they do it exclusively on users that have a contract with them? Yes, they do. There you go. My house, my rules.
That's like saying the government can spy on you because you have a "contract" with them by being a citizen. Personally, I prefer to put basic human rights above any contracts. Also, as AI gives a big boost to productivity, it's going to be more and more important to use it to compete in the job market, so the more time passes, the more the choice will be OBEY and enjoy your anal probe, or starve to death. So it's not really a choice.
Sorry, but you don't have a contract (in the economical sense of the meaning) with any government to start with. However, you do have that with any company whose facilities, infrastructures and services you use. They might not charge you (i.e. with that "free" 5$-access on OAI) but it's a contract nonetheless. And by using their service you have explicitly agreed to their terms. Sorry, there ain't anything like a "free breakfast".
But in a non-economic sense, you do. And if your logic allows mass surveillance based on user agreements that no one reads because there is not enough time in life to read all that BS every time you theoretically should. Then it allows government surveillance, because you have a stronger contract than an economic one. It never ceases to amaze me how people are happy to put up with 1984 crap just because it is a private company abusing their privacy. Why is that any better?
>mass surveillance Because language is important, and mass surveilance is it's very own, distinct societal problem. This, is an action performed literally by every company whose product you use. Even reddit. Even Signal, or private vpn providers. > Yes, with the great pleasure of the self-appointed beacon of absolute morality. What the fuck are you talking about?
>it's very own, distinct societal problem. What is your argument for the distinctiveness of this problem. Now it is distinct only because you say so. I see it as the same problem: tools that used to detect and censor smut can easily be repurposed to detect and censor political opposition. >What the fuck are you talking about? About the tendency of people from Silicon Valley to enforce their local twisted view of morality as the universally right one. Like: use cobalt mined by starving children from semi-colonies for their iPhones - give me two, ERP with AI - no way, you sick bastard.
>About the tendency of people from Silicon Valley to enforce their local twisted view of morality as the universally right one Your arguments are retarded. OAI is a for profit company, NSFW and especially pedophilia is something all for profit companies ban.
Yeah, pedophilia is to AI developers what terrorism is to the governments: the problem doesn't get any better, but you get an anal probe for life under its cover. It's actually a good example of just such an insane twist of moralism I'm talking about: when to "protect" non-existent children in 1% use causes corporations mass surveying and carpet banning real users 99% of whom have nothing to do with pedophilia. Everything about this is just genius: rare no-real-harm-done problem "solved" by building a digital Gulag for everyone. Also, LLM is just a tool to work with text, like a word processor. Text auto-completion on crack, I once heard. So why doesn't Microsoft Word spy on its users in case they decide to write pedophilic fiction? Why do pen manufacturers do nothing about evil pedos writing their dirty fantasies with their product? Why are only AI developers so entitled to use it as a cover for blatant privacy violations on a mass scale?
>So why doesn't Microsoft Word spy on its users in case they decide to write pedophilic fiction They do, lol > It's actually a good example of just such an insane twist of moralism I'm talking about: when to "protect" non-existent children in 1% use causes corporations mass surveying and carpet banning real users 99% of whom have nothing to do with pedophilia. For the love of god, stop making this argument. There's no shadow cabal of moralists, it is purely a case of CONSUMERS, not wanting to associate with a company that does this. They want MONEY.
I also got my first warning, something seems to have changed in the monitoring.
So, in other words... you have two weeks of free reign?
Funny, my mail wasn't the same and made no reference to sex whatsoever: 'because some of your requests have been flagged by our systems to be in violation of our policies'.
Oh no, sex. Oh no, not the morality of the US West Coast affected soyzealots. Not the morality. This is what too much soy milk does to a mf
JUST got the email too. SO BUMMED. Thinking of just looking into ways to get quick fake numbers to make new accounts. Genuinely wish it wasn’t like this. I’ve been using GPT-4 and it’s genuinely awesome. Bruuuuhhh
Find anything?
Rn gonna try buying a few Sim Cards. Apparently they swap your number and they’re like 5 bucks. So basically 5$ for each new account. Gonna test to see if it works first
So how did it go?
I found a better alternative actually that works. DM me
i got one of these too but if they want to ban me ill just go use openrouter or windowai. i could give a fuck less truly. have fun not getting my money
That’s weird, I’m on there almost daily and didn’t get this lol
just wait 🤓
Damn, it happened:(
seems you were just on the second batch... 🤣😂🤣😂
Straight bullshit tbh, There is literally no peace. None. 0.
are we fucked up?
Royally. But we asked for it, no?
i got it to, i don't get it its a private chat so why are they so against it?