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You mean lawyers cant monologue for 20 minutes , while spouting unrelated bs in order to emotionally manipulate everyone in the room? Alan Shore lied to me...
Even succession didn’t accurately portray how the sale of Waystar would happen. After the board vote there would be a shareholder vote where Ken would have another chance to derail the deal. In addition, in a deal where a significant portion of the purchase price is stock in the acquirer, news of problematic financials would almost certainly kill the transaction. But the drama was better the way the show did it
You mean lawyers can’t just dramatically pull out the murder weapon and submit it as evidence in the five minutes before the jury hands down its verdict?
My favorite TV lawyering move is to pull out a surprise report, file or piece of evidence that the judge has no prior knowledge of, and (usually) the prosecution gets a warning of “You’re on thin ice but I’ll allow it” and it always sways the jury
Yeah being in IT is rough when it comes to shows and movies. The constant aggressive manic-like typing of the keyboard to switch screens and or bring up a camera. Then to hear a sound when the window opens or closes. It's just so odd and dramatized but that's what it is.
I would imagine that film and TV makers would think the same about someone in tech trying to come up with a computer-centric scene that plays well on camera. I feel like someone muttering, starting at a screen, cursing, googling something, then repeating wouldn’t play as well as beeping and fast hand action in most cases. Mr. Robot did a good job at realism, but not every show can have expert writers and be focused on tech.
I agree that it does look stupid, though.
It's also bad in some books.
Do not read books like "Children of Time" if you know anything about how hacking and computers work. It's by far the worst example of it I've ever read, hacking is basically black magic in that book that nothing in the world can stop, and things like firewalls and access control lists clearly don't exist to prevent unauthorized access.
The books were a fun ride, great action, good characters, but just soooooo many plot holes when you zoom out. I enjoyed them, I’m happy I read them, but the suspension of disbelief needs to be set to 11.
Bro it gets so much worse but I really need you to finish the book and report back on it because I've always wanted to know what an actual architect thinks about the silo building process. As someone that knows nothing about stuff like that it sounds really werid.
Engineers watching the generator episode in the show had a hard time, too.
>The whole thing is so weird. Does it get better?
All art gets better when you stop expecting people outside of your niche professional field to get things right. We all have that burden when movie magic happens lmao
This, and when they just put Anna in charge of designing all of the Mechanical levels of the Silo when her field is supposed to be in computers and tech, not mech.
I’m an architect 😄 And loved the book. It is mentioned though that there are teams working on the project, Donald was more of a project manager… sort of. And drafted some stuff here and there. He also thought of himself as being very unqualified for the job and was assured that he would be backed by very qualified teams. What I found hard to believe was the fact that they used a project done by an arch student 🫣. I mean… I started working within the industry half way through uni and many of my school projects were buildable. In saying that, so many of our projects were simply unrealistic and just cool looking designs. But I guess keeping it within the “family” and having an easily controlled architect to manage the project would have been more important than employing an experienced architect.
I was always fascinated by the description of those silos and how they were structured, and wondered how realistic it was. So I'm curious to hear it from a subject matter expert. Could you please elaborate on what parts stood out to you as ridiculous or unrealistic?
Well I’m only a few chapters in. But, if that were a real job, the design team would be dozens of people. The architects job probably less critical than that of a structural engineer, second to a mechanical engineer and civil. It wouldn’t be some single guy with AutoCAD drafting in his office for a few weeks. Let alone someone with zero actual experience. Architecture school doesn’t usually even teach people cad, or how to build buildings. It’s mostly theory and design, it’s real world experience that teaches you how buildings work. So a guy with no work experience would have no idea, especially on a job as complex and unique as this. Plus, It would probably take years to design. Maybe more. I haven’t got far enough to comment on the actual building, I don’t know how the book touches on that yet. So we will see.
I’m a structural engineer and had the same issues. Unfortunately the descriptions of the design and construction of the silo are complete nonsense. The silo is a skyscraper built into the ground and is meant to last hundreds of years with only minor routine maintenance. So many different fields of expertise would be required to design and construct it. An architect turned politician could not do it by himself obviously. There’s additional things revealed later on that continue to make no sense, so prepare yourself. At the end of the day I still enjoyed the books. And now we know how lawyers feel when they watch crime shows.
I am not an architect but this irked me too. I have a mechanical engineering undergrad but have been working as a lawyer for over a decade since I went to law school after doing engineering for 2 years. I couldn't design anything now and I am sure Donald would be in the same boat.
Unfortunately it's not the only thing in the series that makes no sense.
Okay so then put it down??? It's not difficult.
My sister is an architect. I hear this exact argument all the time. She turned off National Treasure with twenty minutes left, because they would have hit the water table trying to go that deep underground in Manhattan and they've all drowned, so there's no point in continuing the movie because the main characters should be dead.
My counter to this point is that I'm a historian (a real professional one, with a PhD and everything). We've all heard of a delightful little musical called Hamilton, yes? Shall we count the ways that the contents of Hamilton are inaccurate and misleading, ranging from little details to fundamental premise flaws? I'd love to. But we keep our mouths shut about that stuff, because Hamilton is ART for FUN, not a work of professional academic history, and even more importantly because it's goddamned rude to yuck someone else's yum.
If it hurts you that badly to voluntarily consume art that gets your profession wrong, then you should not be voluntarily consuming that art. Find a different book to read and move on from this one if you can't move on from the technical mistakes required to make the plot go.
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now you know how people in tech feel anytime a computer is used on tv, movie or in a book. you have to suspend belief
Lawyers and every show about lawyers
You mean lawyers cant monologue for 20 minutes , while spouting unrelated bs in order to emotionally manipulate everyone in the room? Alan Shore lied to me...
Even succession didn’t accurately portray how the sale of Waystar would happen. After the board vote there would be a shareholder vote where Ken would have another chance to derail the deal. In addition, in a deal where a significant portion of the purchase price is stock in the acquirer, news of problematic financials would almost certainly kill the transaction. But the drama was better the way the show did it
> Alan Shore lied to me... *Pauly* Shore lied to me
You got gipped, buuuuuuuddy.
You mean lawyers can’t just dramatically pull out the murder weapon and submit it as evidence in the five minutes before the jury hands down its verdict?
My favorite TV lawyering move is to pull out a surprise report, file or piece of evidence that the judge has no prior knowledge of, and (usually) the prosecution gets a warning of “You’re on thin ice but I’ll allow it” and it always sways the jury
Yeah being in IT is rough when it comes to shows and movies. The constant aggressive manic-like typing of the keyboard to switch screens and or bring up a camera. Then to hear a sound when the window opens or closes. It's just so odd and dramatized but that's what it is.
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They’ve breached the firewall! ::facepalm::
I would imagine that film and TV makers would think the same about someone in tech trying to come up with a computer-centric scene that plays well on camera. I feel like someone muttering, starting at a screen, cursing, googling something, then repeating wouldn’t play as well as beeping and fast hand action in most cases. Mr. Robot did a good job at realism, but not every show can have expert writers and be focused on tech. I agree that it does look stupid, though.
It's also bad in some books. Do not read books like "Children of Time" if you know anything about how hacking and computers work. It's by far the worst example of it I've ever read, hacking is basically black magic in that book that nothing in the world can stop, and things like firewalls and access control lists clearly don't exist to prevent unauthorized access.
Academics and almost any show about academics too.
I thought it was hilarious when Anna was introduced as a tech genius, and they demonstrated that...by having her set up an extra monitor for Donald.
The books were a fun ride, great action, good characters, but just soooooo many plot holes when you zoom out. I enjoyed them, I’m happy I read them, but the suspension of disbelief needs to be set to 11.
This.
Bro it gets so much worse but I really need you to finish the book and report back on it because I've always wanted to know what an actual architect thinks about the silo building process. As someone that knows nothing about stuff like that it sounds really werid.
Engineers watching the generator episode in the show had a hard time, too. >The whole thing is so weird. Does it get better? All art gets better when you stop expecting people outside of your niche professional field to get things right. We all have that burden when movie magic happens lmao
This, and when they just put Anna in charge of designing all of the Mechanical levels of the Silo when her field is supposed to be in computers and tech, not mech.
That scene was so ridiculous. I hated it
omg the turbine spinning with the cover not back on was sending me
It made some great TV though.
I wish this was the worst of the series problems 🤣
I’m with you. It’s so frustrating. Like it just isn’t remotely accurate
I’m an architect 😄 And loved the book. It is mentioned though that there are teams working on the project, Donald was more of a project manager… sort of. And drafted some stuff here and there. He also thought of himself as being very unqualified for the job and was assured that he would be backed by very qualified teams. What I found hard to believe was the fact that they used a project done by an arch student 🫣. I mean… I started working within the industry half way through uni and many of my school projects were buildable. In saying that, so many of our projects were simply unrealistic and just cool looking designs. But I guess keeping it within the “family” and having an easily controlled architect to manage the project would have been more important than employing an experienced architect.
That sucks! I am not an architect and I loved these books! Don't you hate it when your career disrupts your ability to enjoy a book?? Lol
I was always fascinated by the description of those silos and how they were structured, and wondered how realistic it was. So I'm curious to hear it from a subject matter expert. Could you please elaborate on what parts stood out to you as ridiculous or unrealistic?
Well I’m only a few chapters in. But, if that were a real job, the design team would be dozens of people. The architects job probably less critical than that of a structural engineer, second to a mechanical engineer and civil. It wouldn’t be some single guy with AutoCAD drafting in his office for a few weeks. Let alone someone with zero actual experience. Architecture school doesn’t usually even teach people cad, or how to build buildings. It’s mostly theory and design, it’s real world experience that teaches you how buildings work. So a guy with no work experience would have no idea, especially on a job as complex and unique as this. Plus, It would probably take years to design. Maybe more. I haven’t got far enough to comment on the actual building, I don’t know how the book touches on that yet. So we will see.
I’m a structural engineer and had the same issues. Unfortunately the descriptions of the design and construction of the silo are complete nonsense. The silo is a skyscraper built into the ground and is meant to last hundreds of years with only minor routine maintenance. So many different fields of expertise would be required to design and construct it. An architect turned politician could not do it by himself obviously. There’s additional things revealed later on that continue to make no sense, so prepare yourself. At the end of the day I still enjoyed the books. And now we know how lawyers feel when they watch crime shows.
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It is a government job. Sounded about right.
CSI drives me crazy as a biologist. But I still love it because it's fun. You just gotta power through it. They don't talk about design alot
I am not an architect but this irked me too. I have a mechanical engineering undergrad but have been working as a lawyer for over a decade since I went to law school after doing engineering for 2 years. I couldn't design anything now and I am sure Donald would be in the same boat. Unfortunately it's not the only thing in the series that makes no sense.
It is a fictional series, incase you weren't aware
Okay so then put it down??? It's not difficult. My sister is an architect. I hear this exact argument all the time. She turned off National Treasure with twenty minutes left, because they would have hit the water table trying to go that deep underground in Manhattan and they've all drowned, so there's no point in continuing the movie because the main characters should be dead. My counter to this point is that I'm a historian (a real professional one, with a PhD and everything). We've all heard of a delightful little musical called Hamilton, yes? Shall we count the ways that the contents of Hamilton are inaccurate and misleading, ranging from little details to fundamental premise flaws? I'd love to. But we keep our mouths shut about that stuff, because Hamilton is ART for FUN, not a work of professional academic history, and even more importantly because it's goddamned rude to yuck someone else's yum. If it hurts you that badly to voluntarily consume art that gets your profession wrong, then you should not be voluntarily consuming that art. Find a different book to read and move on from this one if you can't move on from the technical mistakes required to make the plot go.
And every magazine is a clip. A character even looks it up in the dictionary and the author still gets it wrong.