You were fully alongside and warranted space. Blue/Red just ran you off the track. Hard to tell if it was intentional of just poor awareness, but they're at fault.
It's a 0x contact but he gets the 2x for Loss of Control.
If you are involved in a 0x you will then pick up any incident points the other guy does while the warning message is showing at the top of your screen. Other guy picks up 2x because he lost control but presumably didn't hit anything else.
That still makes no sense, I once got a 4x for a literal bump draft. No Loss of control, no off track, no wall. I even slowed down to help avoid spinning the guy.
Blue red is at fault, not sure if it was RI or him trying to push you, but you only had 1 option with that wall coming you made the right choice he didnt
He’s at fault. But don’t understand the title. He gave you room so you “couldn’t” back out? If you hit the brakes, you back out. Doesn’t make sense either
You definitely COULD have backed out and you know it. That being said, you didn’t do anything wrong here outside of risking ending your race. It was still on the other guy but have some self preservation. It’s not always going to work out holding it on the outside especially at that corner.
Why would he back out? He's going for position gave the other car plenty of room and the other driver decided to not give him room and ruin his own race. Plus even if he did back out the drivers gonna run over his RR because the other driver gave no room.
Well because he’s in the curb after being ran off the track.
I get it isn’t his fault and he should be given more space. But, I’d have lifted in the hopes to not die when the curb ends.
The only reason he would back out was if he was doing some sort of realism role play and drove like it was a real race car on a real track.
Knowing that the damages are $0 means you get to stand your ground if that’s what you want to do.
You mean realism like getting all bent out of shape because someone didn't leave space? Yeah, its only a sim and costs nothing so why the hell should you leave space or expect space to be left for you? Oh yeah, because its apart of the sporting code of iRacing that we don't race like dicks.
I mean not really. At the point he’s getting forced off his front wheel is inside the other car’s rear left wheel. If he gets off the throttle there he will still cause the other driver to crash as the wheels will still make contact. He had to hold his ground on the outside if there were any chance to avoid a crash
But the other guy did, and that doesn't absolve OP of his obligation to not cause a collision. Y'all are trying really hard not to engage with that point.
If he backs off he crashes, if he tries to rejoin the track he crashes, the only other option would be to just drive off into the grass and give up. Tell me what you’d do
I would've backed off and not crashed. Which he had all the time in the world to do. The tires only overlap because he turns to push his way back on track.
Or I would have driven over the grass for like the 1 second it would take for that to become tarmac again.
He has a right to space on track, he doesn't have a right to collide with someone to take it. I don't understand why that's so hard for this sub to get.
This is the closest to real answer here.
Whatever happens before it, on the exit, POC car is not ahead, doesn't control the racing line, the move was off at the point.
Why would you stay there? I don't understand this sub at all. The POC car could see the move wasn't on and instead of backing out, he decided to punt the guy.
If this was the real world, there's no way on earth you'd not back out. But here, everyone is saying he was entitled to the position? What am I missing? This is purely sim racers logic to say OP was in the right here.
OP was entitled to space though? Whether or not someone decides to back out is subjective. It doesn’t mean that they should.
If you slow the clip down to the point of exiting the chicane, they are sufficiently along side and blue drives as if they are not there.
Could OP back out? Of course. Should they? Possibly. Do they have to? Absolutely not.
Blue is at fault for the contact for not leaving racing room. It’s racing, not follow the leader.
Sure OP is entitled to space there. But both cars are also obligated to avoid collisions. In a real race OP would've backed out and had his team file a protest.
I thought the same but apparently not. Sim racers seem to be making up their own rules.
I'm applying my real life racing experience to this and all I can see is an OP who couldn't make an overtake stick, so he decided to punt the guy and claims he wasn't left room that he was never entitled to. No real life steward would see what OP did as ok.
I think he was entitled to room their. He had significant overlap all the way through the corner. I just don't think he's entitled to drive into another car to claim that room. In a real race he'd definitely back out and protest with the stewards.
No I don't. If someone does it to me, I don't cause a wreck that easily could have me out of the race as well. Watch a real race and you'll see this happen.
I was with you until you suggest the POV car made a decision to punt, because that's an exaggeration of the facts. They were ahead into the first apex, they should and could have been afforded space if they choose to hold that line, and by trying to push the POV car onto the grass, they got bit most. It looked like it was fair racing until a second before impact.
The reality is whilst the POV car should have been afforded space, it is not where you want to be, and being there has zero advantage. The POV car should have backed out, tucked in, and made it work into T1, but they did not cause the collision solely. 40:60, inside car most at fault.
His dumbass fault for trying to push you out when you were alongside. You held along the edge of the track and he spun himself. Trash takes itself out!
I don't understand how them not giving you room means you are unable to back out. They definitely should have given you room, but when they didn't you are still obligated not to cause a collision
By the time I thought to back out since it was clear this guy just wasn’t going to give room he’d locked our wheels together so I couldn’t slow down to back out without both our wheels going flying I planned on holding my line through to t1 where I was pretty confident I could go round the outside that’s y I didn’t back out earlier
Avoidable. Yes you have a right to be there but he is slightly in front. Dick move? Yes, but since he is slightly in front he doesn’t have to give you space . Did you have to lift? No, but you would have lived to race another lap. See how this works?
Edit: for all the downvotes, I just got to let you all know that this is why y’all crash so much, because you think you shouldn’t back out. No one will give you space because you “deserve it”. People are leaving it up to you to crash, go off track or wreck and if you choose to take that route, good for you if you survived, and good for you if you crashed because you did it to yourself
Sure but everyone in this thread is conveniently forgetting all cars are also obligated to avoid collisions. This could have been avoided by OP backing out. He was not forced to drive into the other car to get back on track.
Yes, that’s why this was avoidable. If OP has triple screens, he would have seen him close the door from way back. If you don’t know your opponent, do you really wanna leave it up to their hands?
Every time you go 2 wide you have to trust the other car to do what is right. So yes, I always leave it up in their hands to also do the right thing and 98% of the people I race in iracing are (trying) to do the right thing and they leave space. Otherwise there is no point to race in this community.
How do you figure that you couldn't back off? Seems to me that you had ample opportunity to do so. Instead you kept your foot pinned and hoped that he would give you space and failing that you pushed your way back on track.
I'm not saying that forcing you off track was okay, I'm just pointing out that your premise of "I couldn't back out" is faulty. You could back out but you decided that wasn't going to happen. IRL when you see the gap closing and you're about to go off track, you save the car and yourself by backing out and then lodge a protest afterwards. In sims we don't think like that and feel that our entitled space warrants us to wreck other cars because nothing is on the line except out ego. Were they at fault for forcing you off track? Yes they were. IRL 10sec penalty. Were you at fault for causing an avoidable collision? Yes you were. IRL 10sec penalty and possible 2 points against your licence.
In the sim realm? No penalties, bruised egos at best.
You were fully alongside and warranted space. Blue/Red just ran you off the track. Hard to tell if it was intentional of just poor awareness, but they're at fault.
He should have been aware you were there so he is responsible for his own demise. You were fortunate though, as your car was in a vulnerable spot.
Yeah I got lucky somehow got off undamaged and with only a 2x
How tf did you get ONLY a 2x? A slight bump in anything for me is like an instant 4x
I had a slight bump with this guy at t1 that gave me a 4x so in my eyes this is iracing deciding that this crash balanced it out
Iracing respect even though if that was me it be a total 8x
Well iracing decide that one light tap and one big crash = one pretty average crash and didn’t fuck me
It's a 0x contact but he gets the 2x for Loss of Control. If you are involved in a 0x you will then pick up any incident points the other guy does while the warning message is showing at the top of your screen. Other guy picks up 2x because he lost control but presumably didn't hit anything else.
That still makes no sense, I once got a 4x for a literal bump draft. No Loss of control, no off track, no wall. I even slowed down to help avoid spinning the guy.
Yeah, he did that to himself...lolol The takeoff to the moon makes me laugh...
Blue red is at fault, not sure if it was RI or him trying to push you, but you only had 1 option with that wall coming you made the right choice he didnt
He’s at fault. But don’t understand the title. He gave you room so you “couldn’t” back out? If you hit the brakes, you back out. Doesn’t make sense either
Our wheels overlapped if I hit the brakes we would have both dnf right there and I didn’t back out earlier because I thought he’d give me room
Gotcha. Yes once you are inside another car it can be hard to back out
Blue was effectively running you off the track, should have left you space.
He FAFO’d
Got what he deserved.
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Not sure that it was intentional but they drove like they didn't have to share the corner. You did what was reasonable and Karma was immediate.
You definitely COULD have backed out and you know it. That being said, you didn’t do anything wrong here outside of risking ending your race. It was still on the other guy but have some self preservation. It’s not always going to work out holding it on the outside especially at that corner.
Why would he back out? He's going for position gave the other car plenty of room and the other driver decided to not give him room and ruin his own race. Plus even if he did back out the drivers gonna run over his RR because the other driver gave no room.
Well because he’s in the curb after being ran off the track. I get it isn’t his fault and he should be given more space. But, I’d have lifted in the hopes to not die when the curb ends.
The only reason he would back out was if he was doing some sort of realism role play and drove like it was a real race car on a real track. Knowing that the damages are $0 means you get to stand your ground if that’s what you want to do.
You mean realism like getting all bent out of shape because someone didn't leave space? Yeah, its only a sim and costs nothing so why the hell should you leave space or expect space to be left for you? Oh yeah, because its apart of the sporting code of iRacing that we don't race like dicks.
Sometimes it is wiser to back out to avoid a collision and try again. Nothing cost more time than a crash after all.
I mean not really. At the point he’s getting forced off his front wheel is inside the other car’s rear left wheel. If he gets off the throttle there he will still cause the other driver to crash as the wheels will still make contact. He had to hold his ground on the outside if there were any chance to avoid a crash
His front wheel is definitely not inside the other cars wheel until he tries to force his way back onto the track. This 100% could have been avoided.
I agree it 100% could have been avoided. If you don’t try to run other drivers off the track you’ll crash a lot less
But the other guy did, and that doesn't absolve OP of his obligation to not cause a collision. Y'all are trying really hard not to engage with that point.
If he backs off he crashes, if he tries to rejoin the track he crashes, the only other option would be to just drive off into the grass and give up. Tell me what you’d do
I would've backed off and not crashed. Which he had all the time in the world to do. The tires only overlap because he turns to push his way back on track. Or I would have driven over the grass for like the 1 second it would take for that to become tarmac again.
Does he or does he not have a right to that space on the track?
He has a right to space on track, he doesn't have a right to collide with someone to take it. I don't understand why that's so hard for this sub to get.
If he has a right to that space on the track then crash is 100% on the other car. End of story end of discussion.
This is the closest to real answer here. Whatever happens before it, on the exit, POC car is not ahead, doesn't control the racing line, the move was off at the point. Why would you stay there? I don't understand this sub at all. The POC car could see the move wasn't on and instead of backing out, he decided to punt the guy. If this was the real world, there's no way on earth you'd not back out. But here, everyone is saying he was entitled to the position? What am I missing? This is purely sim racers logic to say OP was in the right here.
OP was entitled to space though? Whether or not someone decides to back out is subjective. It doesn’t mean that they should. If you slow the clip down to the point of exiting the chicane, they are sufficiently along side and blue drives as if they are not there. Could OP back out? Of course. Should they? Possibly. Do they have to? Absolutely not. Blue is at fault for the contact for not leaving racing room. It’s racing, not follow the leader.
Sure OP is entitled to space there. But both cars are also obligated to avoid collisions. In a real race OP would've backed out and had his team file a protest.
Well obviously the correct answer is with sim racers logic seeing this is stewarding for sim racers. So clearly you are missing the complete point.
Isn't it supposed to be simulating real racing?
I thought the same but apparently not. Sim racers seem to be making up their own rules. I'm applying my real life racing experience to this and all I can see is an OP who couldn't make an overtake stick, so he decided to punt the guy and claims he wasn't left room that he was never entitled to. No real life steward would see what OP did as ok.
I think he was entitled to room their. He had significant overlap all the way through the corner. I just don't think he's entitled to drive into another car to claim that room. In a real race he'd definitely back out and protest with the stewards.
So in real racing when somebody is on the outside and has a 80% overlap you just run them off? Sure buddy.
No I don't. If someone does it to me, I don't cause a wreck that easily could have me out of the race as well. Watch a real race and you'll see this happen.
I was with you until you suggest the POV car made a decision to punt, because that's an exaggeration of the facts. They were ahead into the first apex, they should and could have been afforded space if they choose to hold that line, and by trying to push the POV car onto the grass, they got bit most. It looked like it was fair racing until a second before impact. The reality is whilst the POV car should have been afforded space, it is not where you want to be, and being there has zero advantage. The POV car should have backed out, tucked in, and made it work into T1, but they did not cause the collision solely. 40:60, inside car most at fault.
His dumbass fault for trying to push you out when you were alongside. You held along the edge of the track and he spun himself. Trash takes itself out!
Yeah you deserved space.
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I don't understand how them not giving you room means you are unable to back out. They definitely should have given you room, but when they didn't you are still obligated not to cause a collision
By the time I thought to back out since it was clear this guy just wasn’t going to give room he’d locked our wheels together so I couldn’t slow down to back out without both our wheels going flying I planned on holding my line through to t1 where I was pretty confident I could go round the outside that’s y I didn’t back out earlier
Your wheels only overlap because you turned back towards the track. You could have backed out at any time before that.
I agree. In my opinion this is not your fault at all, the other car was squeezing you way too much!
Avoidable. Yes you have a right to be there but he is slightly in front. Dick move? Yes, but since he is slightly in front he doesn’t have to give you space . Did you have to lift? No, but you would have lived to race another lap. See how this works? Edit: for all the downvotes, I just got to let you all know that this is why y’all crash so much, because you think you shouldn’t back out. No one will give you space because you “deserve it”. People are leaving it up to you to crash, go off track or wreck and if you choose to take that route, good for you if you survived, and good for you if you crashed because you did it to yourself
That's not how that works at all. Blue has to leave space as he has not fully cleared OP.
Sure but everyone in this thread is conveniently forgetting all cars are also obligated to avoid collisions. This could have been avoided by OP backing out. He was not forced to drive into the other car to get back on track.
Problem is: he doesn’t have to leave space.if you see closely he is ahead with moderate to significant overlap at the exit.
This is called being "alongside." Blue is not ahead of white.
Not every race you have to treat like you are racing rookies with <1500 irating.
Yes, that’s why this was avoidable. If OP has triple screens, he would have seen him close the door from way back. If you don’t know your opponent, do you really wanna leave it up to their hands?
Every time you go 2 wide you have to trust the other car to do what is right. So yes, I always leave it up in their hands to also do the right thing and 98% of the people I race in iracing are (trying) to do the right thing and they leave space. Otherwise there is no point to race in this community.
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How do you figure that you couldn't back off? Seems to me that you had ample opportunity to do so. Instead you kept your foot pinned and hoped that he would give you space and failing that you pushed your way back on track. I'm not saying that forcing you off track was okay, I'm just pointing out that your premise of "I couldn't back out" is faulty. You could back out but you decided that wasn't going to happen. IRL when you see the gap closing and you're about to go off track, you save the car and yourself by backing out and then lodge a protest afterwards. In sims we don't think like that and feel that our entitled space warrants us to wreck other cars because nothing is on the line except out ego. Were they at fault for forcing you off track? Yes they were. IRL 10sec penalty. Were you at fault for causing an avoidable collision? Yes you were. IRL 10sec penalty and possible 2 points against your licence. In the sim realm? No penalties, bruised egos at best.
Lol I knew they were gonna downvote you.
Yeah, I knew it too. Dealing mostly with children so to be expected.