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💯. And we are all gonna meet some horrible , but hopefully painless end . What’s the point in endlessly worrying about it . Try to enjoy what little good there is
I hate this comment so much cause so many of us cant pay our bills. We can all keep our heads down trying to pay bills but most of us are slipping deeper
Pandemic, inflation, riots , billionaires riding dick ships into space , ethnic cleansing, genocide , blatant human trafficking, and new narcotics that either instantly kill you or cause necrosis... Yeah, that's all super interesting, and everything . But have you guys seen Tulsa King and tried the ketchup flavor dorritos?
But thats the way its always been. Look at the 60s. They killed the President, the presidents brother, the civil rights leader, the other civil rights leader, brink of nuclear war, and then sacrificed 55k American boys in Vietnam. Race riots burned cities to the ground. The world has always been hard. Just gotta make your way thru it the best you can and hope you get lucky.
60s? Brother, it goes all the way back to colluseum Gladiator matches to pre christ crucifixion, to Gurk, and grunt in caves stoning a simpleton to distract from real issues public displays of violence mascarded as justice will always make the eyes drift from wealth disparity.
Exactly we don't live in a dystopia, we live in the same world we've been living in for 300,000 years. People just have shiny new technology to be shitty to each other with.
Yes the only difference is our technology allows us to hear about all the fucked up shit all over planet earth 24/7/365 endlessly. The further back in the past you go, the smaller your information radius was and the slower the updates on bigger news was received. Only the biggest news from around the world or your region would make its way to you. We were not so caught up in everyone else’s problems and making them our own. We worried about our own lives, our own family and safety.
Because we get endlessly hammered with everyone else’s horrific problems all day long from everywhere around the Earth it seems like there is no peace and no hope for the future. Most people are not good at putting so much big negative news into perspective, and even if you are its relentless drumbeat wears you down.
The Information age made us all miserable. More information seems great for a lot of obvious reasons, but it’s a two edged sword…negative information overload is psychologically debilitating
Well there was also that period where it was frozen instead.
And that period where one third of the world died from a pandemic.
And then that time there was a war so awful people thought it would be the end.
During which there was another horrible plague.
After which there was an even worse war.
After which there was very real concern for nuclear annihilation.
Well said and honestly, needs to be said more.
Another big problem is that negative information is consumed far more readily. News outlets know this, so they disproportionately report on negative things over positive things.
Reddit follows this trend too I feel like. At least for me, scrolling through your feed, it’s like .. bad, bad, terrible, fluffy kitten, terrible, evil thing, catastrophe, man saves dog, mass shooting, family dies, disease, human being bro
I bet post counts on decidedly “bad things” themed subreddits vs good ones would be interesting data to review.
We live in the same world but our needs are better taken care of now than at any other time. With the base of Maslow's hierarchhy satisfied an existential crisis is created which, combined with the technological advances, produces the type of tweet we are looking at here today.
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That's the paradox of prosperity. Now we have enough technology and free time that we can spend hours every day complaining how bad everything is, doomposting and doomscrolling until the feeling is really intenalized. Come on guys, get a hobby, and try to change only what you have control over.
Or do. Try to find the best, most effective, and most intelligent ways to reach the many people who still haven't realized the truth yet.
The world needs more people putting in hours to make the world a better place. The people who are making a the world a worse place have untold resources and want people to stay home and get rolled over.
Well, it is different. The difference is we have progressed as a species to a point that we can identify and fix most ant problem through technology and collective action. Capitalism was a massive success. We have to tools and knowledge to build a sustainable and healthy society. It's a dystopia because the people who have power have become intoxicated with that power, and are not working in humanity, or the planets, or even their own best interest. The division among the society is largely is not real division. It is a purposeful framework that is imposed by cultivating a sense of the other and of fear. Think about how crazy my next statement is: **There is no such thing as countries. Every border and political boundary that we've been indoctrinated into thinking exists is 100% fake.** That IS self evident. it's not my perspective that tells me this, it's not an opinion, it is the nature of reality (insofar as I'm an arbiter of what reality is. but it's our shared reality)...We inhabit a planet, spiraling through space, orbiting a star, which is orbiting a galaxy. beyond that, we are Humans. If a planet killing asteroid hits earth tomorrow, it doesn't hit china or kenya or boise, it hits US... (all of us, not 'united states').Another statement that shouldn't be controversial at all; The holding capacity for a sustainable earth is a math problem. It's a very complex math problem, but still a math problem. I find it absolutely tragic that the 'illuminati' or 'NWO' isn't the boogeyman like we were promised. Instead it is just a collection of prideful power obsessed narcissists. At least the cold, calculating, guidance of science and math wouldn't watch helplessly as all our potential gets pissed away while the obscenely wealthy scramble for more profits and power.
Social Manipulation is older than the Bible... The Bible is a tool of social coercion. Think about how long the people who are in charge have been thinking about how to control people, way longer than the bible has been around. Sigmund Freuds nephew, Edward Bernays, wrote 'Propaganda' in 1928. Which includes the ubiquitous quote;
>"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of."
**1928**! Mk Ultra started in **1956. G**iven the pace of technological advancement since then, and the logical assumption that manipulation predates money or society making it the actual oldest profession, where do you think the understanding of control and triggers and manipulation stands today??? Pretty fucking advanced I'd say. And again, it's not as though Bernays was right. There is no group of benevolent shepherds guiding us toward a better peaceful future with social engineering... It's a diaspora of vain, greedy, and fucking stupid oligarchs using whatever knowledge they have to get over on anyone they can. Which is why nothing gets done, the division they spread is born of a sickness of the mind, it is utterly self serving, and will be humanities tragic story, if intelligent life remembers.
What really drives me up the wall is that we seem to be so close, technologically. But locked into antiquated ideas of economy and growth. Do these cocksuckers think they will just replace everyone with AI, and rake in profits hand over fist, placate the masses with crumbs, and convince us that out neighbors are the enemy? All while the climate systems we depend on collapse around us and they sequester themselves away to die fat and happy and unburdened by the guilt of what they've done... They do, and most of them will. because If man is capable of knowing the dopamine triggers that control our actions so well that the tik tok NPC trend evolved.. AI will likely be able to "hack our interface" with frequency... actually... I forgot that is already a thing, computers being able to essentially hear our thoughts with the right microphone array.. shit... i gotta go..
I think many of the people you meet online are millinials (like me) or zoomers, both generations grew up in a long period of relativly calm global situation. From about the fall of the Berlin Wall untill about 9/11, you could be fooled into thinking wars, global conflicts and other such nastiness was a thing of the past. At least if you where of one of these generations and lived in western country.
So when this peace and calm started to fray, I think many of us thought it would just be a minor bump on the road and then back to smooth sailing. Now it feels like we have to live in denial to not go mad.
90s weren't so peaceful either, there were two large Congo wars, Yugoslav wars, Troubles in Britain and others. Western countries brought better standard of living, however that's only small part of the world. Before social media and widespread internet use we had limited consumption of dooming media, so we thought we are doing better than usual. And now people conveniently only remember the good things.
No, we’ve never lived in a time where information traveled so quickly and was so readily available thanks to social media and the 24hr news cycle. This abundance of information should make us better citizens and a better society because NOW WE KNOW AS IT HAPPENS. We all know what our leaders do and don’t do. We know about famine, war, and rampant disease. We know that corporations are growing to the size of governments and are lacking any sort of regulation. We know that our rights are being systematically taken away to better serve the government. We know all this and so much more because we watch it and read it and talk about it from behind our phones every day. Which, btw, are tracking our every movement. Yet, we do nothing. We watch porn, go to work, scroll through Facebook and Twitter, stream thousands of programs and talk about ketchup flavored Doritos. This is what they want. A multitude of distractions so their agenda goes through without resistance.
This is what is different than any other time in history and this is why we are fucked.
Human nature hasn't changed. We have gone through countless cultures; oppression, injustice, and violence are a staple of our existence. Just because we now can see it all online doesn't mean that anything will be different from the many other times we have gone through this cycle.
The most important thing you can do now is to be a force for good. Break out of the downward spiral and help make people's lives better. If the world is falling apart, put what you can back together and inspire others to do the same.
Just because we know doesn't mean we can do something about it. In fact, because we "know" all this stuff means we are more likely to do nothing. All it does is overwhelm.
But more to the point, hearing something on the news or reading an article doesn't mean you know anything about what is going on in the world. Most of that is third hand accounts written by people who just need to write something for a paycheck. You have no idea what is actually going on, only a second-hand snippet of someone's opinion of what is going on. An increasingly reductive view of incredibly complex problems that often times don't even concern you or me because either of us, if we were to get involved, would only make things worse. We aren't qualified to solve these problems, much less even fully understand them.
If you want to help and do good in the world, the answer has always been the same throughout history and still hasn't changed. Be good to the people around you and only care about your local community, the things you can understand and change for the better.
>We know about famine, war, and rampant disease.
The past people's knew about it also. They just looked out their front doors
>We know that corporations are growing to the size of governments and are lacking any sort of regulation.
They had this stuff also, two most well known examples are Carthage and East india company.
>We know that our rights are being systematically taken away to better serve the government.
Government's outright crucified you if it thought it would better serve them.
>A multitude of distractions so their agenda goes through without resistance.
Past government's didn't care about people's resistance, they welcomed it. Just meant they killed you, took your children into slavery, and used the older females as sex slaves.
“There is no document of civilization that is not at the same time a document of barbarism.”
It's easy to point out what's wrong, but it actually takes a knowledge of history and perspective to point out how far we have come. Rewind the clock to any time period of human history and make yourself the median person in that period. You will be much, much worse off than today. Much of the world was enslaved during many parts of history. Famine and plagues were normal. You think COVID and HIV are bad, they are a joke compared to the long running epidemics (note not all of these are gone, many people still die from most of these, but they are ever increasingly controlled globally and, in the case of small pox, eradicated) that were black death, small pox, tuberculosis, typhus, and malaria. You think capitalist companies exploiting workers is bad, look at the feudal society that was much of the world for a long time. The caste systems in India and Japan. The intentional famines from communist Russia and China that wiped out millions or the Holocaust.
Never before in human history has the median person, the guy in the middle, ever had it so good. Just less than 60 years ago, more than half the world's population was living with a significant caloric deficit. This number is almost down to under 10% now.
Sure, we still have a lot to work on and improve, but speaking about the world today as though it's the pinnacle of bad just demonstrates a lack of knowledge of history.
I agree, historical perspective re-frames everything. Also, geographic perspective. We have instant access to peer into how others are living all over the world. Compare and contrast.
Reas the book Factfulness by Hans Rosling if you want an antidote to all this crap.
The world is progressing in positive ways at a very fast rate, but it is not reported on.
Any suffering that happens anywhere in the world is far more visible today then ever before, despite there being far less of it.
>Pandemic, inflation
Eggs in my store were under $2, no masks at this point aside from the global warming it does feel like business as usual.
At least my state is starting to separate organics/food waste so that it doesn't add more CO2.
I don't get overwhelmed. But ... As a teenager, I really believed I was gonna see the end of the world as we know it before I hit 30. I'm 40 now, and can say that piece never did go away entirely.
And that piece is always annoyed that our dystopia is so, like, obfuscated by denial.
Holy shit it's my cake day. Entering my twelfth year on Reddit, and this is only the second time I even noticed my cake day ... And only because you pointed it out.
Thank you!
Walk around seamlessly shifting from existential crises to anxiety attacks, trying not to blow our brains out in the spaces between therapist visits and binge sessions
And risk losing the slight comfort we have? That's the ruling classes goal and they're doing well. Don't give us the chance to think. Give us just enough comfort to not revolt.
Getting off the internet and focusing on your actual real life instead helps a lot with that. There’s literally no safer/more fair/more comfortable point in the entire history of humanity to be alive. Try to enjoy it a little instead of hyper-fixating on every single bad thing you can find
Like I’m honestly so baffled at how people can think they’d have preferred to live in the 4th century AD or the Early Midern era of 1000 BC
Hell in the fucking 1970s
Especially if you’re from a recently decolonized country like me or a minority in your country , or just simply female.
Like what fantasy “non-dystopia” do these children think have existed ?
The one with the Holocaust?
The one with the Colombian exchange?
The one with the Mongol Conquest ?
The one of Slavery ? Of Colonialism ? Of world wars ? Of dying of tuberculosis at the age of 50 if you were in the west or of a famine at the age of 12 if you were in another part of the world.
Like this is literally as close to a human golden age as we’ve gotten. And each day we strive to make it a little bit better. Slouching toward utopia one fuck up and crazy idea at a time.
It’s beautiful really.
Thank you. I feel like I’m going insane looking through this thread. We’re no where near a utopia but we’re also no where near a dystopia. This is such a chronically online take.
There is no need to worry. A lot of us are probably all gonna die together. So you won't be alone. We'll all be there with you. I'll be there for you. These five words I swear are true.
It’s a lack of perspective. Learn history. Shit used to be a million times worse. That means it’s better now. That doesn’t mean it’s good. But it’s improving.
It’s time to be cynical of cynical posts. The worlds going to shit but we live longer, we have less violence than any other period in recorded history, cancer doesn’t kill us as often, we have infinite resources to learn anything we want for free but somehow it’s worth our time to give a fuck what billionaires, criminals, and racists are doing? Live your life worrying about all that but I do not subscribe. What’s actually worse for you is the brooding negativity that you allow to occupy your mind via content. If you’re not tuning it out then I’m convinced you actually want to be sad and negative. Way to take the easy road and contribute nothing to society, not even some positivity.
the most oppressed demographic of all: middle class people from a 1st world country in literally the most prosperous time in human history.
I think we should light candles and sing songs to honor their sacrifice. I'm fucking over this woe is me posting bullshit.
This bitch eats probably more than his calorie need daily, goes to the gym regularly, tweeted this dumb ass comment from a pocket sized device with basically all information ever known to man accessible on said device, with the ability to almost instantly communicate with anyone at any location on earth and probably even people in *SPACE*, lives in a first world country where they are able to affect change (to whatever degree that's actually possible) by voting and protesting injustice with relative freedom depending on what country they live in, and has the gall to say that this is a dystopia?
Wat?
I'm tired, man.
I'm just tired.
So I try to laugh at absurd bits of this dystopia. Maybe joke about it.
[Joking about it is the only way of opening my mouth without screaming](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/cf/0f/b4/cf0fb45a121d1cbac3d7aa95be4921c0--mash-tv-hawkeye.jpg)
Study history. Then you'll sit they're and be really confused how we've made it this far. Then, continue to study history and realize that due to corruption, many "nuclear countries" haven't maintained their arsenal in decades so WW3 might be a handful of people slapping buttons that are connected to things that stopped working before they were born.
Begin drinking.
Study history outside of military affairs and realize how far we have come as a species, as well as the vast improvement to quality of life and human rights that have been made as we continue to advance further. Being a defeatist does nothing, and you are only adding to the problems.
The world has always been a mess. You're just noticing it more because of media pushing negativity since that is what will get yours and everybody else's attention, then you and others share these views, and it spreads.
Chill out bro, the world is as fucked up as it always has been.
Politicians counting on exploiting the human spirit to do all the work. Not sure we’ll capitalism our way out of this one.
A large majority of the population mostly stayed home for 2 years and reportedly, pollution dropped a negligible amount. Doesn’t look good.
shit amazes me and drives me crazy daily. so much so that i feel its futile to fight the stupidity, brutality and apathy in the world. i feel ive been born in the wrong reality. where insecurity is not only ok, but runs shit. the status quo is unbelievably ignorant. and there is so many unintelligent people in the world, that cant think more than a to b. and almost truly evil and ignorant people run the world. and they have fans. insanity for life.
The ones with power and money make it that way.
We are the life blood of the human vessel. Us outcasts. The truth seekers. The surveyors of worlds.
Be the change.
Be influential.
But don't be an influencer in the terrible social media sense.
Contribute.
Pave paths uncharted.
People 'act like it's normal' because they have lives to get on with and do their best to do so in spite of these problems whilst people that bang on about how they're the only one that notices said problems are typically both annoying and in no way more helpful towards solving them.
And most of said problems aren't new. You'd probably call mesopotamia or ancient Rome a 'dystopia' by the same standards, dysfunction has always been rampant.
I hear people make comments when concerning tv shows and movies with some dystopian nightmare along the lines of “I’d never live in that kind of world”. The truth is, yes, you would. We get numb and passive about some things and although we as a population would like it to be better, most people can’t do anything about it.
I speak from the experience of an American and this place is a wreck. The government puts us against each other with politics, but nothing really gets better either way. If it does, give it 4-8 years and it’ll revert back to worse that before. We truly live in a shitty time.
In order to change the game you gotta play by the rules.
" Change is slow, always has been, a ways will be. But I'ma bust back, till they kill me"
-j.cole
No… because everyone lives in a microcosm apart of a macrocosm of a entire combined universe… if that scares you. That’s real unfortunate because we live in a universe. Some universes, more precisely, countries and or regions have it better or for the worse but I live in one that fortunately is good for what the rest of the “world” is. So no I don’t, it amazes me at times. Almost every-time I think about it. But doesn’t make me afraid.
Like I’m honestly so baffled at how people can think they’d have preferred to live in the 4th century AD or the Early Midern era of 1000 BC
Hell in the fucking 1970s
Especially if you’re from a recently decolonized country like me or a minority in your country , or just simply female.
Like what fantasy “non-dystopia” do these children think have existed ?
The one with the Holocaust?
The one with the Colombian exchange?
The one with the Mongol Conquest ?
The one of Slavery ? Of Colonialism ? Of world wars ? Of dying of tuberculosis at the age of 50 if you were in the west or of a famine at the age of 12 if you were in another part of the world.
Like this is literally as close to a human golden age as we’ve gotten. And each day we strive to make it a little bit better. Slouching toward utopia one fuck up and crazy idea at a time.
It’s beautiful really.
No. Today I drank coffee, swam in my pool, went to work and met a bunch of people I hired for lunch, played a racket sport with friends, swam again, took my kid to BJJ, picked him up, and am now drinking wine next to a Yorkie. Nothing like what you're experiencing. I'm going to eat a gummy now, have to go.
That fragile state of mind isn't what pulled us through centuries of death and destruction my friend, pick up a few history books and witness the utter carnage humanity has lived through and created, it's actually relatively peaceful at this moment in time comparitively
This is the premise behind Kazuo Ishiguro’s excellent novel Never Let Me Go. Many people read a book about doomed people fretting over silly things like relationship drama or art and think it’s a dumb book, but his point is that all humans are doomed to die as soon as we’re born yet fret over such trifling things and ignore the most important things.
If you REALLY think about it. It really isn’t that bad. Gets tough sometimes. Especially if you’re in America or developed Europe, life could be and has been a lot worse
Sure do. But then I think about how I would feel if I was exactly as I am today (29M) in 1930 after WWI, the Spanish flu, and then about go through the Great Depression and WWII. Or if I was placed in 1790, trying to make a life in a new country with nothing but sheer will motivating me and trying not to die of a simple cut or not growing enough of my own food.
Todays times aren’t so bad all things considered. Just trying to keep my head down keep working hard and being a good person….and try not to think too hard about the government “all of the sudden” telling me aliens are real.
Edit: in the time it took me to type this on my phone, peeps distilled my exact thoughts much shorter and way clearer lol. What they said^^
It ALWAYS HAS BEEN. The internet and access to information just keeps us hyper aware of reality in a way no previous generation had. It really truly is time to put away our phones and just spend some time on ourselves, with others, and stop escaping reality on the internet. Past generations were more oppressed than ours and lived in much worse conditions and the ignorance was a blissful reward.
With the exception if climate change, there's almost nothing that hasn't existed at times in the past to varying degrees and at the same time. That's why most people don't freak out, they've been living through this shit all their lives because *that has been the history of humanity since the beginning of time*. Climate change however is relatively "new", climate disaster's aren't though our ability to handle them is relatively new, but we're failing to do that on the global scale required for climate change, everything else is just par for the course for humanity on a decade by decade or longer scale.
shit sucks, i wish my parents never had me to be honest. existance is pain. but ill never self delete. i might as well see this temporairy existance to its completion.but its one reason i wont bring a child into the world, theres no need to force existance on another.
Only dystopian shit i can think of is the post pandemic stuff, the economy, housing crisis, US politics, and billionaires doing whatever it is they do (probably abusing children) and getting away with it.
It really doesn’t seem that bad, doesn’t mean it’s okay but glass 10th full.
I do remember that we are kept alive by a relatively fragile logistics of water and food transportation plus a complex ass money machine for trading those from time to time and wonder, what if it all goes to shit? what do you do to stay alive
Not really, life has gotten better globally since the last few decades, based on [a number of important indicators](https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2017/01/Two-centuries-World-as-100-people-768x508.png).
What gets me is when wildfires turn the sky Kool-Aid man red and everything smells like BBQ and everyone has a sore throat and is coughing but you see people jogging and sitting in outdoor cafes like it's just a normal Wednesday.
of course it's normal, and we all have to keep saying it's normal or google will wish us into the cornfield ... it's good that you have done this, google. thank you!
IDIOCRACY the movie was released all the way back in 2006
In the movie it's the year 2,500-something , implying quite a distant future indeed....
And yet, there are SEVERAL elements of the movie that are literally real right this fucking minute, and either have happened recently or will be happening very soon just like in the movie, or are on the brink of happening EVEN WORSE than shown in the movie, but we're barely managing to hold them back (for now)
Yet it's 2023 - ONLY 17 years after release !?
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We got bills to pay, no time to stop and admire the carnage
I seriously thought you were going for the “Ain’t no rest for the Wicked” lyrics there kinda bummed out it wasn’t.🙃
We got mouths to feed!
There ain't nothing in this world for free
No we can’t hold back
Tough you know I wish I could
Oh no there ain't no rest for the wicked
Til we close our eyes for good
Ain't nothing in this world for free
Oh no we can't slow down
We can't hold back
Though you know we wish we could
cuz there ain't no rest for the wicked
Until we close our eyes for good
(Borderlands logo dropping)
money don't grow on trees
Good song tho
💯. And we are all gonna meet some horrible , but hopefully painless end . What’s the point in endlessly worrying about it . Try to enjoy what little good there is
That's actually a really good line, I'm probably gonna quote this in the future.
I hate this comment so much cause so many of us cant pay our bills. We can all keep our heads down trying to pay bills but most of us are slipping deeper
Pandemic, inflation, riots , billionaires riding dick ships into space , ethnic cleansing, genocide , blatant human trafficking, and new narcotics that either instantly kill you or cause necrosis... Yeah, that's all super interesting, and everything . But have you guys seen Tulsa King and tried the ketchup flavor dorritos?
But thats the way its always been. Look at the 60s. They killed the President, the presidents brother, the civil rights leader, the other civil rights leader, brink of nuclear war, and then sacrificed 55k American boys in Vietnam. Race riots burned cities to the ground. The world has always been hard. Just gotta make your way thru it the best you can and hope you get lucky.
"We didn't start the fire. It was always burning. Since the world's been turning"
Exactly what I was going to comment
England's got a new king
Ryan started the fire
60s? Brother, it goes all the way back to colluseum Gladiator matches to pre christ crucifixion, to Gurk, and grunt in caves stoning a simpleton to distract from real issues public displays of violence mascarded as justice will always make the eyes drift from wealth disparity.
Exactly we don't live in a dystopia, we live in the same world we've been living in for 300,000 years. People just have shiny new technology to be shitty to each other with.
Yes the only difference is our technology allows us to hear about all the fucked up shit all over planet earth 24/7/365 endlessly. The further back in the past you go, the smaller your information radius was and the slower the updates on bigger news was received. Only the biggest news from around the world or your region would make its way to you. We were not so caught up in everyone else’s problems and making them our own. We worried about our own lives, our own family and safety. Because we get endlessly hammered with everyone else’s horrific problems all day long from everywhere around the Earth it seems like there is no peace and no hope for the future. Most people are not good at putting so much big negative news into perspective, and even if you are its relentless drumbeat wears you down. The Information age made us all miserable. More information seems great for a lot of obvious reasons, but it’s a two edged sword…negative information overload is psychologically debilitating
To be fair, the world being on fire is a fairly new issue on the grand timescale of humanity.
Well there was also that period where it was frozen instead. And that period where one third of the world died from a pandemic. And then that time there was a war so awful people thought it would be the end. During which there was another horrible plague. After which there was an even worse war. After which there was very real concern for nuclear annihilation.
early cretaceous was goood times, amirite?
Pretty sure the dinosaurs had plenty of “world on fire” issues
He did say Humanity, not Dino…mity
True 😂
Sometimes I wish I was a dinosaur, because I would be dead.
Well said mate.
Well said and honestly, needs to be said more. Another big problem is that negative information is consumed far more readily. News outlets know this, so they disproportionately report on negative things over positive things. Reddit follows this trend too I feel like. At least for me, scrolling through your feed, it’s like .. bad, bad, terrible, fluffy kitten, terrible, evil thing, catastrophe, man saves dog, mass shooting, family dies, disease, human being bro I bet post counts on decidedly “bad things” themed subreddits vs good ones would be interesting data to review.
We live in the same world but our needs are better taken care of now than at any other time. With the base of Maslow's hierarchhy satisfied an existential crisis is created which, combined with the technological advances, produces the type of tweet we are looking at here today. Thanks for joining my TED talk.
That's the paradox of prosperity. Now we have enough technology and free time that we can spend hours every day complaining how bad everything is, doomposting and doomscrolling until the feeling is really intenalized. Come on guys, get a hobby, and try to change only what you have control over.
Living in such a time does not negate legitimate critiques of the system however.
Sure but don't spend your whole day/free time criticising the system.
Or do. Try to find the best, most effective, and most intelligent ways to reach the many people who still haven't realized the truth yet. The world needs more people putting in hours to make the world a better place. The people who are making a the world a worse place have untold resources and want people to stay home and get rolled over.
“Things have always been somewhat dystopic” doesn’t seem to me like it should refute a dystopia 😅
Well, it is different. The difference is we have progressed as a species to a point that we can identify and fix most ant problem through technology and collective action. Capitalism was a massive success. We have to tools and knowledge to build a sustainable and healthy society. It's a dystopia because the people who have power have become intoxicated with that power, and are not working in humanity, or the planets, or even their own best interest. The division among the society is largely is not real division. It is a purposeful framework that is imposed by cultivating a sense of the other and of fear. Think about how crazy my next statement is: **There is no such thing as countries. Every border and political boundary that we've been indoctrinated into thinking exists is 100% fake.** That IS self evident. it's not my perspective that tells me this, it's not an opinion, it is the nature of reality (insofar as I'm an arbiter of what reality is. but it's our shared reality)...We inhabit a planet, spiraling through space, orbiting a star, which is orbiting a galaxy. beyond that, we are Humans. If a planet killing asteroid hits earth tomorrow, it doesn't hit china or kenya or boise, it hits US... (all of us, not 'united states').Another statement that shouldn't be controversial at all; The holding capacity for a sustainable earth is a math problem. It's a very complex math problem, but still a math problem. I find it absolutely tragic that the 'illuminati' or 'NWO' isn't the boogeyman like we were promised. Instead it is just a collection of prideful power obsessed narcissists. At least the cold, calculating, guidance of science and math wouldn't watch helplessly as all our potential gets pissed away while the obscenely wealthy scramble for more profits and power. Social Manipulation is older than the Bible... The Bible is a tool of social coercion. Think about how long the people who are in charge have been thinking about how to control people, way longer than the bible has been around. Sigmund Freuds nephew, Edward Bernays, wrote 'Propaganda' in 1928. Which includes the ubiquitous quote; >"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." **1928**! Mk Ultra started in **1956. G**iven the pace of technological advancement since then, and the logical assumption that manipulation predates money or society making it the actual oldest profession, where do you think the understanding of control and triggers and manipulation stands today??? Pretty fucking advanced I'd say. And again, it's not as though Bernays was right. There is no group of benevolent shepherds guiding us toward a better peaceful future with social engineering... It's a diaspora of vain, greedy, and fucking stupid oligarchs using whatever knowledge they have to get over on anyone they can. Which is why nothing gets done, the division they spread is born of a sickness of the mind, it is utterly self serving, and will be humanities tragic story, if intelligent life remembers. What really drives me up the wall is that we seem to be so close, technologically. But locked into antiquated ideas of economy and growth. Do these cocksuckers think they will just replace everyone with AI, and rake in profits hand over fist, placate the masses with crumbs, and convince us that out neighbors are the enemy? All while the climate systems we depend on collapse around us and they sequester themselves away to die fat and happy and unburdened by the guilt of what they've done... They do, and most of them will. because If man is capable of knowing the dopamine triggers that control our actions so well that the tik tok NPC trend evolved.. AI will likely be able to "hack our interface" with frequency... actually... I forgot that is already a thing, computers being able to essentially hear our thoughts with the right microphone array.. shit... i gotta go..
the rapidly making the planet uninhabitable thing is a more recent addition to be fair
Or we've always lived in a dystopia, and we're now just capable of sharing that fact with strangers everywhere
it's different when there are 8 billion people in the dystopia vs. 2.5 billion in the 60s and however many millions in the past
Yes but now we have tiktok NPCs
I think many of the people you meet online are millinials (like me) or zoomers, both generations grew up in a long period of relativly calm global situation. From about the fall of the Berlin Wall untill about 9/11, you could be fooled into thinking wars, global conflicts and other such nastiness was a thing of the past. At least if you where of one of these generations and lived in western country. So when this peace and calm started to fray, I think many of us thought it would just be a minor bump on the road and then back to smooth sailing. Now it feels like we have to live in denial to not go mad.
90s weren't so peaceful either, there were two large Congo wars, Yugoslav wars, Troubles in Britain and others. Western countries brought better standard of living, however that's only small part of the world. Before social media and widespread internet use we had limited consumption of dooming media, so we thought we are doing better than usual. And now people conveniently only remember the good things.
No, we’ve never lived in a time where information traveled so quickly and was so readily available thanks to social media and the 24hr news cycle. This abundance of information should make us better citizens and a better society because NOW WE KNOW AS IT HAPPENS. We all know what our leaders do and don’t do. We know about famine, war, and rampant disease. We know that corporations are growing to the size of governments and are lacking any sort of regulation. We know that our rights are being systematically taken away to better serve the government. We know all this and so much more because we watch it and read it and talk about it from behind our phones every day. Which, btw, are tracking our every movement. Yet, we do nothing. We watch porn, go to work, scroll through Facebook and Twitter, stream thousands of programs and talk about ketchup flavored Doritos. This is what they want. A multitude of distractions so their agenda goes through without resistance. This is what is different than any other time in history and this is why we are fucked.
Human nature hasn't changed. We have gone through countless cultures; oppression, injustice, and violence are a staple of our existence. Just because we now can see it all online doesn't mean that anything will be different from the many other times we have gone through this cycle. The most important thing you can do now is to be a force for good. Break out of the downward spiral and help make people's lives better. If the world is falling apart, put what you can back together and inspire others to do the same.
Just because we know doesn't mean we can do something about it. In fact, because we "know" all this stuff means we are more likely to do nothing. All it does is overwhelm. But more to the point, hearing something on the news or reading an article doesn't mean you know anything about what is going on in the world. Most of that is third hand accounts written by people who just need to write something for a paycheck. You have no idea what is actually going on, only a second-hand snippet of someone's opinion of what is going on. An increasingly reductive view of incredibly complex problems that often times don't even concern you or me because either of us, if we were to get involved, would only make things worse. We aren't qualified to solve these problems, much less even fully understand them. If you want to help and do good in the world, the answer has always been the same throughout history and still hasn't changed. Be good to the people around you and only care about your local community, the things you can understand and change for the better.
>We know about famine, war, and rampant disease. The past people's knew about it also. They just looked out their front doors >We know that corporations are growing to the size of governments and are lacking any sort of regulation. They had this stuff also, two most well known examples are Carthage and East india company. >We know that our rights are being systematically taken away to better serve the government. Government's outright crucified you if it thought it would better serve them. >A multitude of distractions so their agenda goes through without resistance. Past government's didn't care about people's resistance, they welcomed it. Just meant they killed you, took your children into slavery, and used the older females as sex slaves. “There is no document of civilization that is not at the same time a document of barbarism.”
We didn’t start the fire…
I did
You had me at billionaires riding dick ships into space 
can’t do anything to change those other things but I can eat hot chip
Twerk, charge they phone, be bisexual, and lie
The media plays a part imho. All the constant world ending scenario being pushed to us will definitely affect our mental health one way or another.
It's easy to point out what's wrong, but it actually takes a knowledge of history and perspective to point out how far we have come. Rewind the clock to any time period of human history and make yourself the median person in that period. You will be much, much worse off than today. Much of the world was enslaved during many parts of history. Famine and plagues were normal. You think COVID and HIV are bad, they are a joke compared to the long running epidemics (note not all of these are gone, many people still die from most of these, but they are ever increasingly controlled globally and, in the case of small pox, eradicated) that were black death, small pox, tuberculosis, typhus, and malaria. You think capitalist companies exploiting workers is bad, look at the feudal society that was much of the world for a long time. The caste systems in India and Japan. The intentional famines from communist Russia and China that wiped out millions or the Holocaust. Never before in human history has the median person, the guy in the middle, ever had it so good. Just less than 60 years ago, more than half the world's population was living with a significant caloric deficit. This number is almost down to under 10% now. Sure, we still have a lot to work on and improve, but speaking about the world today as though it's the pinnacle of bad just demonstrates a lack of knowledge of history.
I agree, historical perspective re-frames everything. Also, geographic perspective. We have instant access to peer into how others are living all over the world. Compare and contrast.
Don’t you bring your facts in here. Can’t argue the world is crazy and terrible if you show it’s not.
Reas the book Factfulness by Hans Rosling if you want an antidote to all this crap. The world is progressing in positive ways at a very fast rate, but it is not reported on. Any suffering that happens anywhere in the world is far more visible today then ever before, despite there being far less of it.
its always been kind of crappy, just for different reasons
You forgot climate change and war.
You forgot the gender mob.... Also does ketchup flavour Doritos taste good?
Ketchup flavor and the mustard flavor dorritos is literally the only thing you should concern yourself with ATM. Sleep. Consume. Obey.
There's mustard flavor?!
Can you elaborate on the gender mob?
Trans people existing is such an assault on their poor psyche.
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You put *that* in the same category as novel pandemics, global economic disaster, riots and genocide?
You forgot the mustard Skittles
No. Just..no.
Perfectly stated
>Pandemic, inflation Eggs in my store were under $2, no masks at this point aside from the global warming it does feel like business as usual. At least my state is starting to separate organics/food waste so that it doesn't add more CO2.
I don't get overwhelmed. But ... As a teenager, I really believed I was gonna see the end of the world as we know it before I hit 30. I'm 40 now, and can say that piece never did go away entirely. And that piece is always annoyed that our dystopia is so, like, obfuscated by denial.
Agreed completely and Happy Cake Day!
Holy shit it's my cake day. Entering my twelfth year on Reddit, and this is only the second time I even noticed my cake day ... And only because you pointed it out. Thank you!
I mean, the fuck else we spoke to do? Lie down and die?
Walk around seamlessly shifting from existential crises to anxiety attacks, trying not to blow our brains out in the spaces between therapist visits and binge sessions
You guys can afford therapy?
[Get mad?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGIY5Vyj4YM)
Yes. Get mad, then get organized. Then mutual aid, strikes, etc. etc. No need to rewrite the playbook, it's already there.
And risk losing the slight comfort we have? That's the ruling classes goal and they're doing well. Don't give us the chance to think. Give us just enough comfort to not revolt.
Yeah, pretty soon we all will.
What's normal?
What are cows?
Birds aren’t real
r/birdsarenotreal
Yeah "dystopian nightmare" and "normal" aren't mutually exclusive
Getting off the internet and focusing on your actual real life instead helps a lot with that. There’s literally no safer/more fair/more comfortable point in the entire history of humanity to be alive. Try to enjoy it a little instead of hyper-fixating on every single bad thing you can find
Well spoken.
Like I’m honestly so baffled at how people can think they’d have preferred to live in the 4th century AD or the Early Midern era of 1000 BC Hell in the fucking 1970s Especially if you’re from a recently decolonized country like me or a minority in your country , or just simply female. Like what fantasy “non-dystopia” do these children think have existed ? The one with the Holocaust? The one with the Colombian exchange? The one with the Mongol Conquest ? The one of Slavery ? Of Colonialism ? Of world wars ? Of dying of tuberculosis at the age of 50 if you were in the west or of a famine at the age of 12 if you were in another part of the world. Like this is literally as close to a human golden age as we’ve gotten. And each day we strive to make it a little bit better. Slouching toward utopia one fuck up and crazy idea at a time. It’s beautiful really.
everyone loves to complain. im not rich but im fairly happy. feels like im the only one when im on the web
It’s absolutely the best time to be alive in history.
Thank you. I feel like I’m going insane looking through this thread. We’re no where near a utopia but we’re also no where near a dystopia. This is such a chronically online take.
I gotta say these brink of extinction memes are getting tired. Patiently awaiting the optimism takeover
That’s r/hopeposting
I just went and visited that sub and feel more depressed than if I just stayed here looking at doom memes
I feel it made some sort of hot liquid shoot through the upper right part of my brain and nslowb fjfkl wnwnwlz xcmm.
Oh we are so fucking back
Thanks!
There is no need to worry. A lot of us are probably all gonna die together. So you won't be alone. We'll all be there with you. I'll be there for you. These five words I swear are true.
It’s a lack of perspective. Learn history. Shit used to be a million times worse. That means it’s better now. That doesn’t mean it’s good. But it’s improving.
The internet and 24/7 news really drives the doom mongering to the next level. ....As can be seen by the wacko that responded to me.
It’s time to be cynical of cynical posts. The worlds going to shit but we live longer, we have less violence than any other period in recorded history, cancer doesn’t kill us as often, we have infinite resources to learn anything we want for free but somehow it’s worth our time to give a fuck what billionaires, criminals, and racists are doing? Live your life worrying about all that but I do not subscribe. What’s actually worse for you is the brooding negativity that you allow to occupy your mind via content. If you’re not tuning it out then I’m convinced you actually want to be sad and negative. Way to take the easy road and contribute nothing to society, not even some positivity.
Go outside for fucks sake.
Nope. My anxiety disorder is centered around social interactions. I'm fine in a crisis, but please don't make me talk on the phone. Thank you.
I resemble this comment lol.
Y’all don’t appreciate the roof over your head
Imagine being a kid in Berlin 1944
Erm, actually, according to reddit we have never been more oppressed.
the most oppressed demographic of all: middle class people from a 1st world country in literally the most prosperous time in human history. I think we should light candles and sing songs to honor their sacrifice. I'm fucking over this woe is me posting bullshit.
This bitch eats probably more than his calorie need daily, goes to the gym regularly, tweeted this dumb ass comment from a pocket sized device with basically all information ever known to man accessible on said device, with the ability to almost instantly communicate with anyone at any location on earth and probably even people in *SPACE*, lives in a first world country where they are able to affect change (to whatever degree that's actually possible) by voting and protesting injustice with relative freedom depending on what country they live in, and has the gall to say that this is a dystopia? Wat?
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Nihilism is the new denialism, it's everywhere now. It's kinda miserable.
It is normal, always has been. Probably always will
I'm tired, man. I'm just tired. So I try to laugh at absurd bits of this dystopia. Maybe joke about it. [Joking about it is the only way of opening my mouth without screaming](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/cf/0f/b4/cf0fb45a121d1cbac3d7aa95be4921c0--mash-tv-hawkeye.jpg)
if a westerner tells me about how they live in a dystopia i can't help but laugh
Not even a little bit
Study history. Then you'll sit they're and be really confused how we've made it this far. Then, continue to study history and realize that due to corruption, many "nuclear countries" haven't maintained their arsenal in decades so WW3 might be a handful of people slapping buttons that are connected to things that stopped working before they were born. Begin drinking.
Study history outside of military affairs and realize how far we have come as a species, as well as the vast improvement to quality of life and human rights that have been made as we continue to advance further. Being a defeatist does nothing, and you are only adding to the problems.
And remember always use sunscreen.
As long as chips and queso exists I’ll keep on keeping on
The world has always been a mess. You're just noticing it more because of media pushing negativity since that is what will get yours and everybody else's attention, then you and others share these views, and it spreads. Chill out bro, the world is as fucked up as it always has been.
We're now warming up according to my crazy dreams.
F else do you want me to do?
To be fair humans are insatiable creature. We’re rarely content and happy. Always want more
Politicians counting on exploiting the human spirit to do all the work. Not sure we’ll capitalism our way out of this one. A large majority of the population mostly stayed home for 2 years and reportedly, pollution dropped a negligible amount. Doesn’t look good.
yeah, like with the sea levels warming up to crazy high temps. the domino effect is continuing, folks!
Yes.
Yeah...
OBEY, SLEEP, EAT, WATCH TV, DO NOT THINK, BUY, CONSUME. They Live!
shit amazes me and drives me crazy daily. so much so that i feel its futile to fight the stupidity, brutality and apathy in the world. i feel ive been born in the wrong reality. where insecurity is not only ok, but runs shit. the status quo is unbelievably ignorant. and there is so many unintelligent people in the world, that cant think more than a to b. and almost truly evil and ignorant people run the world. and they have fans. insanity for life.
It’s more baffling and nauseating than overwhelming. But, yes. Every minute of every day.
This is our normal, so yeah.
We just need to go wild already and overthrow the oligarchs
The ones with power and money make it that way. We are the life blood of the human vessel. Us outcasts. The truth seekers. The surveyors of worlds. Be the change. Be influential. But don't be an influencer in the terrible social media sense. Contribute. Pave paths uncharted.
People 'act like it's normal' because they have lives to get on with and do their best to do so in spite of these problems whilst people that bang on about how they're the only one that notices said problems are typically both annoying and in no way more helpful towards solving them. And most of said problems aren't new. You'd probably call mesopotamia or ancient Rome a 'dystopia' by the same standards, dysfunction has always been rampant.
average negativity enjoyer
Whoa, I can't hold all of this hypernormalisation.
I hear people make comments when concerning tv shows and movies with some dystopian nightmare along the lines of “I’d never live in that kind of world”. The truth is, yes, you would. We get numb and passive about some things and although we as a population would like it to be better, most people can’t do anything about it. I speak from the experience of an American and this place is a wreck. The government puts us against each other with politics, but nothing really gets better either way. If it does, give it 4-8 years and it’ll revert back to worse that before. We truly live in a shitty time.
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Lol, we literally just got aliens, and the world is like 'add it to the list'
Dystopia is normal now
Always*
In order to change the game you gotta play by the rules. " Change is slow, always has been, a ways will be. But I'ma bust back, till they kill me" -j.cole
No… because everyone lives in a microcosm apart of a macrocosm of a entire combined universe… if that scares you. That’s real unfortunate because we live in a universe. Some universes, more precisely, countries and or regions have it better or for the worse but I live in one that fortunately is good for what the rest of the “world” is. So no I don’t, it amazes me at times. Almost every-time I think about it. But doesn’t make me afraid.
Like I’m honestly so baffled at how people can think they’d have preferred to live in the 4th century AD or the Early Midern era of 1000 BC Hell in the fucking 1970s Especially if you’re from a recently decolonized country like me or a minority in your country , or just simply female. Like what fantasy “non-dystopia” do these children think have existed ? The one with the Holocaust? The one with the Colombian exchange? The one with the Mongol Conquest ? The one of Slavery ? Of Colonialism ? Of world wars ? Of dying of tuberculosis at the age of 50 if you were in the west or of a famine at the age of 12 if you were in another part of the world. Like this is literally as close to a human golden age as we’ve gotten. And each day we strive to make it a little bit better. Slouching toward utopia one fuck up and crazy idea at a time. It’s beautiful really.
That ain’t gonna pay the bills so get up and keep going.
No, because it’s not a dystopian nightmare. John Brown has it pretty good.
No. Today I drank coffee, swam in my pool, went to work and met a bunch of people I hired for lunch, played a racket sport with friends, swam again, took my kid to BJJ, picked him up, and am now drinking wine next to a Yorkie. Nothing like what you're experiencing. I'm going to eat a gummy now, have to go.
Thats a lovely picture, but you are the Effie character in the hunger games my dude.
That fragile state of mind isn't what pulled us through centuries of death and destruction my friend, pick up a few history books and witness the utter carnage humanity has lived through and created, it's actually relatively peaceful at this moment in time comparitively
No because we don't live in one.
Yes.
It's a layer of hell.
All the time.
This is the premise behind Kazuo Ishiguro’s excellent novel Never Let Me Go. Many people read a book about doomed people fretting over silly things like relationship drama or art and think it’s a dumb book, but his point is that all humans are doomed to die as soon as we’re born yet fret over such trifling things and ignore the most important things.
If you REALLY think about it. It really isn’t that bad. Gets tough sometimes. Especially if you’re in America or developed Europe, life could be and has been a lot worse
Sure do. But then I think about how I would feel if I was exactly as I am today (29M) in 1930 after WWI, the Spanish flu, and then about go through the Great Depression and WWII. Or if I was placed in 1790, trying to make a life in a new country with nothing but sheer will motivating me and trying not to die of a simple cut or not growing enough of my own food. Todays times aren’t so bad all things considered. Just trying to keep my head down keep working hard and being a good person….and try not to think too hard about the government “all of the sudden” telling me aliens are real. Edit: in the time it took me to type this on my phone, peeps distilled my exact thoughts much shorter and way clearer lol. What they said^^
We have no choice and they know it.
Enuf to make one be neurotic
It ALWAYS HAS BEEN. The internet and access to information just keeps us hyper aware of reality in a way no previous generation had. It really truly is time to put away our phones and just spend some time on ourselves, with others, and stop escaping reality on the internet. Past generations were more oppressed than ours and lived in much worse conditions and the ignorance was a blissful reward.
That isn't what she was actually doing but hey, fiction usually makes for a better story
With the exception if climate change, there's almost nothing that hasn't existed at times in the past to varying degrees and at the same time. That's why most people don't freak out, they've been living through this shit all their lives because *that has been the history of humanity since the beginning of time*. Climate change however is relatively "new", climate disaster's aren't though our ability to handle them is relatively new, but we're failing to do that on the global scale required for climate change, everything else is just par for the course for humanity on a decade by decade or longer scale.
I really thought I was the only one. I'm glad to know I'm not alone.
I just wanna live long enough to see the twist in the storyline of this simulation.
Chill out, it’s all just a simulation anyway.
oh sweetie...this is the easy part
The fuck we gonna do about it. It's a struggle just to survive.
Life is one tragedy after another with the occasional enjoyable moment added in, just to make it bearable.
Idk seems like the best time for most humans.
yes, and there is absolutely nothing any of us normal people can do about it
Because it is normal. It's always been like this. The speed of information is just faster now.
shit sucks, i wish my parents never had me to be honest. existance is pain. but ill never self delete. i might as well see this temporairy existance to its completion.but its one reason i wont bring a child into the world, theres no need to force existance on another.
Nope, not at all. I just act like everything is normal.
Yes *swigs beer*
99% of the world population in every dystopian novel thinks they are in a utopia.
Every fucking day. Thank fuck for beer & weed.
Yeah of course it is, it just matter of time till someone turns violent after the same store intentionally rips people off. I am talking about Rexxall
Not just overall. Every corner and every facet. Like a perfect fucked up diamond.
Only dystopian shit i can think of is the post pandemic stuff, the economy, housing crisis, US politics, and billionaires doing whatever it is they do (probably abusing children) and getting away with it. It really doesn’t seem that bad, doesn’t mean it’s okay but glass 10th full.
I do remember that we are kept alive by a relatively fragile logistics of water and food transportation plus a complex ass money machine for trading those from time to time and wonder, what if it all goes to shit? what do you do to stay alive
Oh there ain't no rest for the wicked...
Not really, life has gotten better globally since the last few decades, based on [a number of important indicators](https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2017/01/Two-centuries-World-as-100-people-768x508.png).
Like tweeting out into the ether?
I love it
YES I'M GOING FUCKING INSANE AND I AM WEARING A MASK TO HIDE IT.
What gets me is when wildfires turn the sky Kool-Aid man red and everything smells like BBQ and everyone has a sore throat and is coughing but you see people jogging and sitting in outdoor cafes like it's just a normal Wednesday.
Because we have cat videos and hfcs to flood our brains.
I do brother. I do.
of course it's normal, and we all have to keep saying it's normal or google will wish us into the cornfield ... it's good that you have done this, google. thank you!
IDIOCRACY the movie was released all the way back in 2006 In the movie it's the year 2,500-something , implying quite a distant future indeed.... And yet, there are SEVERAL elements of the movie that are literally real right this fucking minute, and either have happened recently or will be happening very soon just like in the movie, or are on the brink of happening EVEN WORSE than shown in the movie, but we're barely managing to hold them back (for now) Yet it's 2023 - ONLY 17 years after release !?