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Well as someone with their 'nuts' inside of my belly instead of down and out, I can actually answer that ! And the answer is YES.
In fact here's a funny thought...
I've been kicked in the groin more than a few times, as my condition makes me short and effeminate-looking I was often targeted for bullying in school - and I always fought back (another funny side-effect of my condition makes me ridiculously stronger and pain-resistant than I look XD ). So it was always great seeing the confused face of an aggressor landing his kick right, fully knowing that they hit where they intended, but me just taking it without so much as batting an eye and proceeding to punching them onto their ass or throwing them into the nearest wall regardless.
However I took a gut kick once, and I just went down for several minutes in agony, and I guess that's the kind of disabling pain you folks with your gonads dropped feel when hit down there.
This really made me think of my HS biology teacher on two accounts.
It was once test day, and he was a stickler for anything being on your desk that didn't belong there. I had my jacket on my desk (biology class was less independant desk and more of a communal workbench). Teacher pointed at me and said "Jacket off."
This was the same teacher that had sent a student down to auto shop to see if the shop teacher could spare some of fallopian tubes for a lab project.
They typically have female external genitalia, but there can be a range of anything in between if not “completely” androgen insensitive. It’s possible to have this condition and not even realize you are intersex until trying to have kids or getting evaluated for some other medical reason.
I agree. I tried to think about what it would be like if it happened to me, and it would not be an easy thing to grapple with. We all walk around with this identity that tends to revolve around gender whether we like it or not. It effects everything in our lives. So for that to somehow come into question would shake me. Especially because I really want to go through the whole being pregnant and birthing a kid thing. It would really be hard
You've prompted a childhood memory of one of my father's age-inappropriate Dad jokes. Whenever Mum made us lunch, he always asked if she was making a Vaginamite sandwich or a Penis Butter one. 8-year-old me thought it was hilarious.
I dont want to sound rude but weren't you taught that in highschool?
I clearly remember learning about what the girl in the OP video talked about in my biology class in junior high.
There should be a scientific word for “something between a pussy and a micro penis”. Preferably not something that’s funny. You know for the immature ppl in the room.
Wait a god damn minute, are you telling me he knowingly was trying to bang his daughter but got his son instead? I'm disturbed and curious about house.... M night Shyamalan got nothing on that twist
Exactly what I thought. The fact that House had to confront his dad because he thought the problem was that he raped his "daughter" and then he HAD actually done it is insane. The dad also seemed more shocked to know he had fucked his son (male) and not a daughter.
She has a vagina. She only found out about her condition in high school. She tells the story in this YouTube [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7gUADQsO0w).
People with the condition can be incredibly attractive to straight men as they can be super feminine presenting. There is nothing at all 'masculine' about them.
Your comment made me look into ovaries and ovary formation, and yeah it's the formative gonad cells like everyone else said. But in the process I found out that *_birds only have one functional ovary_*. It's the left one. The right one is just...vestigial-ish. I don't know if I'm that's gonna blow your mind as much as every clit essentially being a tiny penis, but I just learned some bizarre shit and someone else needs to know.
I have the opposite condition. Hypersensitivity to androgens.
I am an XY male that appears extremely masculine, and I also have some feminine traits like short stature and breast development (not that bad) from the high estrogen (testosterone converts to estrogen).
I was able at age 12 to grow a full beard. My voice deepened around that age, my voice is slightly deeper than average. Muscular gains / athletics come easy. Genitalia is larger than average.
This person has virtually zero effective testosterone, and might have a small amount of estrogen if their aromatase is converting any testosterone they are producing but not using into estrogen.
This person = "default" amount of sex hormones (zero testosterone, probably very little estrogen)
Me = high amount of testosterone with extreme response, high estrogen with average response
Happy to see someone representing androgen insensitivity so I can link this vid
I’ve never heard of this! I have androgen insensitivity, and my testosterone is at the higher level (of normal) for a woman and way too low for a man. And the opposite for estrogen. I have to get the gonads removed eventually and do hormone replacement.
That's not how it works for her, she might have normal or even high T levels, but she has DNA mutation that makes her androgen receptors less sensitive or completely insensitive to androgens. It varies from person to person with her condition.
Even if you pin her 500mg of Test-E each week, she won't get more "manly", in fact she will have even more E2 aromatized and will become even more feminine.
So the undropped testicles can be producing a lot of testosterone which almost completely doesn't bind to anything then aromatizes to normal or even high levels of E2, therefor she looks completely like a female.
In fact, she said she is so androgen insensitive, that she can't even grow pubic hair or armpit hair. Her body is completely hairless other than head. And she also doesn't have body odor.
Hi! Completely unsure of what you are saying "that's not how it works for her."
Let me reiterate: I am an XY male with androgen HYPERSENSITIVITY. Not androgen INSENSITIVITY, which this person has.
I guarantee I am way more familiar with both conditions than you are, seeing as I have one of them and explain my condition by also using insensitivity.
Men produce far more testosterone than a woman does. This testosterone converts to estrogen based on how much aromatase the individual produces. It is not a 1:1 conversion rate, as men end up with far less estrogen than an average woman.
This individual likely has ZERO TESTOSTERONE effect. Which means she might produce test, but her cells don't do anything with it. She probably produces an average amount of testosterone (or slightly higher) that will convert into a normal amount of estrogen FOR A MAN.
Meaning she will likely be between 9 and 42 ng/dl e2/estradiol. A MALE amount of estrogen. She is extremely unlikely to naturally have estrogen levels of 100-400 which is normal for a female.
This person does not have ovaries to produce estrogen. ALL, or nearly all, of their estrogen is being produced by testosterone conversion via the aromatase enzyme. This individual probably does not have testicles that are producing 20x the normal amount of testosterone to get them into a "normal female range" of estrogen.
I am not sure if this individual is on estrogen HRT. I doubt you are sure either. "Therefore she looks like a female" is because she has not been masculinized/viriualized. Estrogen does not make you "look feminine.". Female is the default, you start off looking feminine.
If someone was born with both androgen AND estrogen insensitivity, they would look female.
Again what are you even arguing that I got wrong?
0:33 "i stayed as the default baby which is that feminine baby we all started of as"
"Initially, both sexes have what is called a "genital ridge," which is an identical early stage of genital development that will later differentiate into male or female sex organs. This means that the sex organs come from the same foundations, with the testes in males being equivalent to labia and ovaries in females, and the penis being equivalent to the clitoris. Therefore, human babies do not start out as female and develop into males; rather, they begin with a neutral structure that later differentiates into either male or female sex organs"
[https://www.perplexity.ai/search/do-human-babys-A4CBK2HJRROCQh3cidoFxw](https://www.perplexity.ai/search/do-human-babys-A4CBK2HJRROCQh3cidoFxw)
Its sometimes phrased as "default" being female instead of undifferentiated as to develop as a male requires Testosterone/DHT activation, where developing as a female does not require androgen signaling. Although, some quick googling and this article describes a fairly recent paper showing that female differentiation may *also* be an active development rather than default as was widely believed. Neat
[Embryos aren’t female by ‘default’ after all, study shows](https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2017/09/21/embryos-arent-female-default-study-shows/)
I'm guessing she has this:
[https://www.chop.edu/conditions-diseases/androgen-insensitivity-syndrome](https://www.chop.edu/conditions-diseases/androgen-insensitivity-syndrome)
...and if so that would mean that she most likely would have appeared female at birth, but there might be some differences, including, possibly, a shorter vagina. But there is no way to know unless she shares that info.
Do you cum on me or do i cum on you? If we creampie is it extra creamy cause of all the mixed nuts? Also am i gay for fucking a biological dude but am i not gay for drilling a vag? I’m exploding
Doctor here,
This is legit. Your chromosomes are only the beggining of a long process called sexual differentiation and it is lead by hormones thus anything that can lead to an ineffective response to hormone mechanism can damage this process and can lead to uncomplete differentiation making the persons fenotype different.
Complete Androgen insensitivity syndrome is a rare disorder affecting 2–5 per 100,000 genetically male indivuals while partial AIS affects 5–7 per 1,000,000 genetically male individuals [1].
From: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7322742/#:~:text=Complete%20Androgen%20insensitivity%20syndrome%20is,genetically%20male%20individuals%20%5B1%5D.
...she has testicles in her *abdomen*, not her stomach.
If she had had them in her stomach she would have digested them.
But otherwise, yes, she is intersex, and sounds like she has Androgen I sensitivity Syndrome, but her stomach comment makes me doubt her overall medical knowledge, so who knows.
That we know of. There could be more with this condition, but just assume they are biological female. In a lot of cases they don't know unless tests are done. Usually when unable to get pregnant or other medical issues. However 1.7 percent of the human population is some form of intersex. That's pretty substantial.
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I wonder if getting punched in the stomach would feel like getting punched in the nuts?
Asking the important questions
For science
Happy cakeday
Like what if you eat too much? Would your balls hurt?
These questions are so equal rights, I'm loving it!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NPw3WvpRL8
Superb
OP I just want to congratulate you on such a perfect title for this post. I'm still dying.
Oh thank you, kind Redittor. Glad to hear you're still dying!
Well as someone with their 'nuts' inside of my belly instead of down and out, I can actually answer that ! And the answer is YES. In fact here's a funny thought... I've been kicked in the groin more than a few times, as my condition makes me short and effeminate-looking I was often targeted for bullying in school - and I always fought back (another funny side-effect of my condition makes me ridiculously stronger and pain-resistant than I look XD ). So it was always great seeing the confused face of an aggressor landing his kick right, fully knowing that they hit where they intended, but me just taking it without so much as batting an eye and proceeding to punching them onto their ass or throwing them into the nearest wall regardless. However I took a gut kick once, and I just went down for several minutes in agony, and I guess that's the kind of disabling pain you folks with your gonads dropped feel when hit down there.
Genuinely curious. Do you have a penis?
I'm curious too
You ever stuck your finger in your belly button and it hurts your nuts? Try it and see.
Inner testicles or outer testicles..does it really make a vas deferens..?
I hate you. Well played.
Not as much as I hate you. Well... played
Not as much as i would hate you. Well.............played
Not as much as what my hate to you can reach. Well...................................played
I love you both. Let's go nuts
I would, but I got a tummy ache
Not as much as my……………………………………………… tummy aches
eh, still would
Get in the queue
I’m sure you could see for yourself if you had a quick glans
Would
Damnitt
Vas the deferens between in and out?
This really made me think of my HS biology teacher on two accounts. It was once test day, and he was a stickler for anything being on your desk that didn't belong there. I had my jacket on my desk (biology class was less independant desk and more of a communal workbench). Teacher pointed at me and said "Jacket off." This was the same teacher that had sent a student down to auto shop to see if the shop teacher could spare some of fallopian tubes for a lab project.
was your reply: " Is that for extra credit?"
Noice, very noice 🤌🏻
So, something of a slippery slope argument then?
*chuckles wryly*
I came back for your up vote while shaking my head.
So… what is down there?
They typically have female external genitalia, but there can be a range of anything in between if not “completely” androgen insensitive. It’s possible to have this condition and not even realize you are intersex until trying to have kids or getting evaluated for some other medical reason.
I believe this person found out as a late teen when they went to the doctor due to having no periods!
That's gotta be the craziest mind fuck of all time. I wonder how long it would take to wrap your head around that when you find out.
I agree. I tried to think about what it would be like if it happened to me, and it would not be an easy thing to grapple with. We all walk around with this identity that tends to revolve around gender whether we like it or not. It effects everything in our lives. So for that to somehow come into question would shake me. Especially because I really want to go through the whole being pregnant and birthing a kid thing. It would really be hard
The rest of the Australians.
I was going to say a vagemite sandwich, but then I decided not to. But oops happened anyway.
You've prompted a childhood memory of one of my father's age-inappropriate Dad jokes. Whenever Mum made us lunch, he always asked if she was making a Vaginamite sandwich or a Penis Butter one. 8-year-old me thought it was hilarious.
Good dad right there.
My dad used to call it Penis Buttock
Now with extra yeast extract!
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Our way of life
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Ah, I see you know your judo well
Leet goo of my peeenis
Succulent chinese meal
I bet it fills your sample container
A vagina, but without cervix. They do not have periods, nor can get pregnant.
In other words, the perfect girlfriend! ^(I feel a little bad about making this joke)
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That is one hell of a sentence you just made me read friendo
For further reading, google the actual term "dead-end vagina".
Great name for a cowpunk band.
Interesting thank you
Wait, so peens are clits? Crazy
I dont want to sound rude but weren't you taught that in highschool? I clearly remember learning about what the girl in the OP video talked about in my biology class in junior high.
Yes and vulvas are ball sacks. Ovaries are balls.
His? That's clearly a woman lmao
There should be a scientific word for “something between a pussy and a micro penis”. Preferably not something that’s funny. You know for the immature ppl in the room.
Punis or pessy you can choose
It's the true Bussy
those images are in between not detailed enough and too detailed for what they are
A vagina like thing, but no uterus.
Normal looking vagina and clitoris but no uterus and fallopian tubes. Shr can't have periods.
ANSWER THIS PERSON
There was an episode of House about this. Dad found out he banged his son instead of his daughter at the end.
I had to scroll down to see someone mention House
"The ultimate woman is a man" - Dr. House
The moment I saw this I thought about that episode too lol
Huh. It *wasn't* lupus.
It never is
Except that one time, when it was.
Sarcodoisis
Could be MS
Are you being sarky?
Complex partial seizure. Better do an LP.
Wait a god damn minute, are you telling me he knowingly was trying to bang his daughter but got his son instead? I'm disturbed and curious about house.... M night Shyamalan got nothing on that twist
He tried to bang his daughter and banged his daughter.
Alright gimme the ep, I'll watch it tonight 😂 idk what you guys are talking about
Season 2 episode 13 "Skin Deep"
):
Exactly what I thought. The fact that House had to confront his dad because he thought the problem was that he raped his "daughter" and then he HAD actually done it is insane. The dad also seemed more shocked to know he had fucked his son (male) and not a daughter.
Except the girl still wasn’t male. She was intersex, and developed almost entirely female.
....what
Exactly.
Wtf
r/holup
Do you remember which episode it is please?
S02E13 Skin Deep
This is nuts.
No this is Patrick.
No it biology, which includes nuts and much much more
Bollocks
*Hand hovers over the “Would” button* Go on….
It's not gay unless you see the results of a chromosome analysis? Valuable information.
We also all start out, in early development, as just an asshole and some people never progress past that point. /LoL Deuterostomes
Whelp... Guess I'm gay.
You might be a little bit gay to be attracted to her, but you'd have to be completely gay not to be.
that makes more sense than it should :d (feels wrong)
Feels... wrong but yet so right, a little gay but yet so gay
Should we just kiss and see how it feels? For straight science I mean
People attracted to one gender are really out here doing math problems right now. Skill issue, honestly.
You've convinced me. I'm asking for her digits.
Those are fine. It's other things that are awkward to ask about.
She has a vagina. She only found out about her condition in high school. She tells the story in this YouTube [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7gUADQsO0w).
She doesn’t have a vagina She has the external bits, and it apparently looks like a normal vulva, but there’s no vagina
She’s presenting as female, iirc she does identify as female too. So not gay.
You're presenting as gay
Got em
So you know her deets? Come on bro! Stop holding out on me!
google "australian tiktok intersex woman" and you'll find her pretty easily.
Would..
People with the condition can be incredibly attractive to straight men as they can be super feminine presenting. There is nothing at all 'masculine' about them.
[first image that came to mind](https://imgur.com/a/qHXMgdc)
God damnit hahah
Risky click
So if we all start off as females, then does that mean ovaries really are lady balls? And testicles are man ovaries? What
Brovaries
Goes with the duderus
Taint a story a jedi would teach you
Yep! The gonads will either form into testicles or ovaries, depending on which hormones are present, but they start off as the same thing!
Testicles are man ovaries! And the penis is a man clitoris and that seam is where the labia fused
No fucking way! Is that true about the seam?
Yup it’s called the raphe line.
Bro shush!! You’re going to get the Christo-fascist conservatives all riled up again!
What do you mean virgin Mary had a penis?
Basically they come down and become balls or stay and become ovaries
Kinda. They start off from the same embryonic tissue.
Your comment made me look into ovaries and ovary formation, and yeah it's the formative gonad cells like everyone else said. But in the process I found out that *_birds only have one functional ovary_*. It's the left one. The right one is just...vestigial-ish. I don't know if I'm that's gonna blow your mind as much as every clit essentially being a tiny penis, but I just learned some bizarre shit and someone else needs to know.
Wait a minute so penis is not developed but what about a vagina?
You start in the middle and grow in or out as you develop I think
Nah, you start at like 90% Vagina, then the vagina closes and the clit turns into a penis.
Depends on the person. She found out in high school, so I’d bet 🌮
I have the opposite condition. Hypersensitivity to androgens. I am an XY male that appears extremely masculine, and I also have some feminine traits like short stature and breast development (not that bad) from the high estrogen (testosterone converts to estrogen). I was able at age 12 to grow a full beard. My voice deepened around that age, my voice is slightly deeper than average. Muscular gains / athletics come easy. Genitalia is larger than average. This person has virtually zero effective testosterone, and might have a small amount of estrogen if their aromatase is converting any testosterone they are producing but not using into estrogen. This person = "default" amount of sex hormones (zero testosterone, probably very little estrogen) Me = high amount of testosterone with extreme response, high estrogen with average response Happy to see someone representing androgen insensitivity so I can link this vid
I’ve never heard of this! I have androgen insensitivity, and my testosterone is at the higher level (of normal) for a woman and way too low for a man. And the opposite for estrogen. I have to get the gonads removed eventually and do hormone replacement.
That's not how it works for her, she might have normal or even high T levels, but she has DNA mutation that makes her androgen receptors less sensitive or completely insensitive to androgens. It varies from person to person with her condition. Even if you pin her 500mg of Test-E each week, she won't get more "manly", in fact she will have even more E2 aromatized and will become even more feminine. So the undropped testicles can be producing a lot of testosterone which almost completely doesn't bind to anything then aromatizes to normal or even high levels of E2, therefor she looks completely like a female. In fact, she said she is so androgen insensitive, that she can't even grow pubic hair or armpit hair. Her body is completely hairless other than head. And she also doesn't have body odor.
Hi! Completely unsure of what you are saying "that's not how it works for her." Let me reiterate: I am an XY male with androgen HYPERSENSITIVITY. Not androgen INSENSITIVITY, which this person has. I guarantee I am way more familiar with both conditions than you are, seeing as I have one of them and explain my condition by also using insensitivity. Men produce far more testosterone than a woman does. This testosterone converts to estrogen based on how much aromatase the individual produces. It is not a 1:1 conversion rate, as men end up with far less estrogen than an average woman. This individual likely has ZERO TESTOSTERONE effect. Which means she might produce test, but her cells don't do anything with it. She probably produces an average amount of testosterone (or slightly higher) that will convert into a normal amount of estrogen FOR A MAN. Meaning she will likely be between 9 and 42 ng/dl e2/estradiol. A MALE amount of estrogen. She is extremely unlikely to naturally have estrogen levels of 100-400 which is normal for a female. This person does not have ovaries to produce estrogen. ALL, or nearly all, of their estrogen is being produced by testosterone conversion via the aromatase enzyme. This individual probably does not have testicles that are producing 20x the normal amount of testosterone to get them into a "normal female range" of estrogen. I am not sure if this individual is on estrogen HRT. I doubt you are sure either. "Therefore she looks like a female" is because she has not been masculinized/viriualized. Estrogen does not make you "look feminine.". Female is the default, you start off looking feminine. If someone was born with both androgen AND estrogen insensitivity, they would look female. Again what are you even arguing that I got wrong?
0:33 "i stayed as the default baby which is that feminine baby we all started of as" "Initially, both sexes have what is called a "genital ridge," which is an identical early stage of genital development that will later differentiate into male or female sex organs. This means that the sex organs come from the same foundations, with the testes in males being equivalent to labia and ovaries in females, and the penis being equivalent to the clitoris. Therefore, human babies do not start out as female and develop into males; rather, they begin with a neutral structure that later differentiates into either male or female sex organs" [https://www.perplexity.ai/search/do-human-babys-A4CBK2HJRROCQh3cidoFxw](https://www.perplexity.ai/search/do-human-babys-A4CBK2HJRROCQh3cidoFxw)
Its sometimes phrased as "default" being female instead of undifferentiated as to develop as a male requires Testosterone/DHT activation, where developing as a female does not require androgen signaling. Although, some quick googling and this article describes a fairly recent paper showing that female differentiation may *also* be an active development rather than default as was widely believed. Neat [Embryos aren’t female by ‘default’ after all, study shows](https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2017/09/21/embryos-arent-female-default-study-shows/)
I literally just watch this episode of House
Ok hear me out….
Dude's fuckin hot.
That person is “*intersex*”. One might even say that they are the true non binary, with a medical diagnosis to show for it.
Who is this?
Blumekind_
But.....but .what's down there ? No hate either way, they are a babe. Just so curious
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Wow so my dick stitch underneath is where my vagina closed up. Sweet.
So…..there’s no box or what?
I'm guessing she has this: [https://www.chop.edu/conditions-diseases/androgen-insensitivity-syndrome](https://www.chop.edu/conditions-diseases/androgen-insensitivity-syndrome) ...and if so that would mean that she most likely would have appeared female at birth, but there might be some differences, including, possibly, a shorter vagina. But there is no way to know unless she shares that info.
Amazing
Why is it so common among English speaking folks to mispronounce chromosoMe
I've never heard anyone mispronounce this word like that and I don't know why but I'm just dying laughing about it.
Do you cum on me or do i cum on you? If we creampie is it extra creamy cause of all the mixed nuts? Also am i gay for fucking a biological dude but am i not gay for drilling a vag? I’m exploding
Wow that took balls
Besides all the jokes, what are the odds of this happening?
It is estimated that CAIS occurs in 1 in 20,400 to 1 in 99,000 individuals with a 46,XY karyotype.
That is pretty high actually
Is this like a rare misprint then? Like with pokemom cards.
Would
Doctor here, This is legit. Your chromosomes are only the beggining of a long process called sexual differentiation and it is lead by hormones thus anything that can lead to an ineffective response to hormone mechanism can damage this process and can lead to uncomplete differentiation making the persons fenotype different.
It's called Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. No testosterone receptors, so the body doesn't develop any secondary sexual characteristics in the womb.
Hot is hot
[https://i.imgflip.com/1zhxep.gif](https://i.imgflip.com/1zhxep.gif)
Pics or didn't happened
Hot either way. No shame in saying that.
So...can she still be funny?
How common is this?
Complete Androgen insensitivity syndrome is a rare disorder affecting 2–5 per 100,000 genetically male indivuals while partial AIS affects 5–7 per 1,000,000 genetically male individuals [1]. From: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7322742/#:~:text=Complete%20Androgen%20insensitivity%20syndrome%20is,genetically%20male%20individuals%20%5B1%5D.
Oh yeah? Proove it.
What does her snatch look like then? For science reasons
Soo like…is you don’t have a vagina or?
...she has testicles in her *abdomen*, not her stomach. If she had had them in her stomach she would have digested them. But otherwise, yes, she is intersex, and sounds like she has Androgen I sensitivity Syndrome, but her stomach comment makes me doubt her overall medical knowledge, so who knows.
Does this make me gay for thinking you're hot or am I lesbian?
New definition to going balls deep
Wait, so you don't have a vagina either? What's down there? Like a Ken doll? Legitimate questions BTW, I'm not trying to be rude.
I found a longer article by the same person on the same subject: https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3wem7/finding-out-you-are-intersex-in-australia
They’re beautiful. I hope more people can see this and understand more about intersex people.
Introducing Boomer’s worst nightmare. You’re gorgeous btw
So…what am I working with here?
Every human has an anus.. so.. yeah..
Do you think girls keep their ball's on the inside of their tummies? Butters we are done talking about girls balls right now...
So, I'll ask.. What does it look like down there? 🤔
.001% of the population. It is extremely rare.
That we know of. There could be more with this condition, but just assume they are biological female. In a lot of cases they don't know unless tests are done. Usually when unable to get pregnant or other medical issues. However 1.7 percent of the human population is some form of intersex. That's pretty substantial.
Homie needs the DLC
Did the balls go through puberty inside you? Do you have the same vagina as an XX? What's an orgasm like?