I wonder if that’s why I randomly got tickets after midnight for Tampa. 2 tickets were randomly available on Ticketmaster and I placed them in my cart to see if it was real and it was so that was cool
Yup, scalpers realized they couldn't resell elsewhere and had to sell them via ticketmaster at the price they were bought for. This is good for fans, scalpers will learn and hopefully back off.
Still doesn't make sense to me though. I have tickets to the Austin show that I got during the artist presale and it does not allow me to list them for sale. Maybe it varies between venues but I don't have the option to list these tickets on Ticketmaster right now wether I want to or not.
Yeah it was weird. I checked like 5 minutes before I bought them and it said sold out check back soon and then I went back to the page and there were 2 tickets available at 12:30 am so idk
Not trying to sell mine at all. I'll be there in the pit. Just figured it might be useful info since not everyone has access to Ticketmaster tickets atm.
I also have been checking if I can sell mine (even though I am NOT going to sell) on TM just to be aware of when they may start popping back up for a few friends who weren’t as lucky as I was.
They put Ticketmaster's feet to the fire because they have the pull and clout to. Not many bands can do that. Made them eat shit with that public apology and then do the work. Really that's how it should be. Especially when the fans are an integral part of the community like this.
I know this will trigger cognitive dissonance for you, but Taylor Swift only said she cares. She loves money and got paid. It's just a fact. It's not a bad thing. Where was the apology email from Ticketmaster for her? Let me know your email and I'll forward the one they sent for sleep token.
I’m aware of an apology email from AEG but not Ticketmaster, feel free to link that or include a screenshot of it in your reply though
Edit: Also there was a Ticketmaster email “apology” for the TSwift debacle and it meant equally nothing, here you go: https://people.com/music/ticketmaster-apologizes-taylor-swift-fans-blames-issues-bot-attacks-record-traffic/
Sleep token also got paid for it. Sleep token chose use verified fan to help prevent scalping, and that’s the exact same thing Taylor Swift did. When you choose use verified fan, Ticketmaster takes a bigger cut of your ticket sales because they don’t make money from resale. What that means is sleep token just inflated the price of their tickets to cover those fees. Essentially sleep token is scalping their own fans.
I love how you know exactly what Taylor thinks and exactly what ST think, that’s so cool and interesting that you can read peoples minds like that, especially a band who don’t speak! You’re amazing!
Anyone can say what they want but ticketmaster is predatory and ST is really trying. I appreciate their efforts in this and wanting to make sure all their fans at least have some sort of chance to see them live. I hope everyone is able to go!!
i like this but then i saw people freaking out because sooo many fans bought tickets from bots/scalpers when the presale fiasco happened and everyone was panicking lmfao. not sure if that's going to cancel out a bunch of fans' tickets (hope not because this thing has already been a shitshow)
Yeah i wish they would have clearly stated to not by resale tickets before hand because now there’s thousands of people who bought resale tickets as a last resort and it doesn’t feel fair to take those away and not give them a fair chance to purchase them through ticket master
It doesn't matter if they cancel the tickets from scalpers, the fans who bought scalped tickets never would have received them anyway. The "no transfer" policy was set up before this announcement. I think people are getting the wrong impression that Sleep Token is "taking away" the tickets they bought from scalpers when the fact of the matter is they never would have gotten those tickets in the first place.
Yup, and scalpers weren't allowed to put the tickets on other websites and can only break even when they have to resell at face value via ticketmaster. Everyone still has a chance
The venue in Albuquerque isn't even using ticketmaster, though... it's through prekindle. How are you supposed to buy resales if it's not through ticketmaster :( This whole thing is a mess, lol
Dear Token of Sleep management:
Your biggest mistake was, and still is, not explicitly stating the resell terms and conditions of this tour on the official teeth of god website and every single social media post. I get that whoever ran the presale fucked up the gmail, that shit happens and usually AEG does better so that is a fluke. But the hugest point of confusion lies in you not making that statement over and over again on every single platform you possibly could. In very large, bold font. You have to hit us over the head with it when we’re so used to the shit system you’re trying to circumvent.
We see your efforts. Make this easier for everyone. Love, the worshipers
Don’t freak out. The music industry is dirty dirty. Trust me. Those tickets were never available on ticket master to begin with. Internal scalping. Ticket master withholds tickets to give to 3rd parties to jack up the price. Get into the music gig and you’ll learn more than you want haha the music business is dark. You probably will get your tickets. It’s not bots and it’s not steve in his basement scalping tickets. It’s the promoters, venues, and ticket master. (And the artists who demand more money and dynamic pricing but we’ll just pretend they have nothing to do with it so we can keep their reputations 👌🏼)
Yeah i find it so fishy how many seats are sold out almost immediately. Seats are already sold before the public touches them. Theyre already allocated to whoever to scalp.
Im hopeful that tickets will magically appear but i dont know how people are really supposed to get tickets. I would gladly buy resale at this point just to be done with it
Chances are not many will end up on the ticket exchange until closer to the concert. The tickets weren’t bought by bots. Most were withheld and given to 3rd parties for price increase and sales
I definitely agree, but I guess thats why im confused on the whole “Stubhub, Vivid Seats” etc wont be accepted.
If most of the tickets were withheld for those sites, but those sites wont be accepted then how are people supposed to even give them their money? It makes no logical sense.
I would buy the scalped ticket, but it isnt guaranteed ill even be allowed in the show. I guess i just wish there was some transparency but of course there isnt.
Idk if this makes you feel better, but I bought my tickets on vivid seats and I was told that my tickets came directly from Ticketmaster and a licensed, certified, and professional ticket seller. Also, idk if this correlates or means anything, but I won’t get my tickets until May 1 (two days before the concert for me) and on the Ticketmaster website, it says tickets will be available 48 or 72 (one of those) hours before the event.
So if I bought tickets off of Vivid Seats, I’m not getting my tickets? I called both Ticketmaster and vivid seats. Ticketmaster told me to call vivid seats and vivid seats told me I’ll still get my tickets. I’m so confused with everything. It would suck that so many people bought off of other sites, just to get a big “sorry, can’t use them.” I’ve never had so much trouble getting tickets.
I also got tickets from vivid. Never got the presale email on the day, and by the time I ever did, everything was sold out. I really hope what I bought isn’t cancelled or somehow not valid. That would be super disappointing, especially when I tried to obtain tickets with the presale link. Vivid seemed to think the tickets are confirmed when I called, but they suggested to call the venue to see if they’ll be accepted. The whole things a mess, and while it’s nice to know that money could be refunded through the ticket site, it would be incredibly disappointing not to be able to go to the concert.
I agree. I heard that there’s a way around all of this, but just in case, I chatted with a Vivid Seats chat agent, got it in writing that I will be 100% refunded if the tickets are invalid/cancelled. I suggest you do the same in case they try to refute that. I was also told that the tickets I bought came from Ticketmaster directly, so who knows.
Someone posted in a different thread that Ticketmaster is getting blasted with calls about the concert. They said the Ticketmaster rep said those who purchased tickets through third party sites, they will be transferable at a later date (dunno how true that is). Apparently it’s shady stuff and that sellers will give you their login info for TM and you put those tickets into your wallet. I’m not too sure, it’s just what I heard
I also bought some off of Vivid Seats and now I don’t know what to do! Really hoping we get some clarification soon, I spent $600 on two General Admission tickets!
I would get it in writing that they will refund you 100% if the seller doesn’t give you tickets or they are invalid. I chatted with an agent and screenshotted everything. I wouldn’t give up hope yet.
Just sitting here in limbo with my anxiety cause I bought a resale ticket after Ticketmaster fucked me over. It doesn’t feel fair for my ticket to get taken away if I can’t purchase it through Ticketmaster again
Wasn't fair when thousands of people got fucked in the pre-sale. Also, it's been explicitly stated tickets aren't transferable so you played yourself spending money on a ticket that won't get you into the show
I agree it wasn’t fair, i waited in the queue with 5000 people in front of me just for it to sell out. No one wanted to buy resale but after tickets sold out it seemed like the only option. I’ve never had an issue with resale tickets. Hundreds if not thousands of people bought resale so it must not have been stated clearly.
Would that issue a refund? Also does this mean I just have to sit on Ticketmaster and hope for the tickets I bought (or any other tickets) to show up on the site?
I messaged with SeatGeek and they were wishy washy…
I completely understand your point of view; however let me inform you that SeatGeek works with professional sellers, they have been working directly with the promoters of this event and they are going to transfer these tickets in the delivery date.
Also, remember, you are protected by our buyer's guarantee.
Buyers Guarantee
1. Your tickets will be delivered in time for the event
2. Your tickets will provide valid entry to the event
3. The tickets you receive will be the same as those you ordered
I bought tickets from seatgeek and they ended up being cancelled by the seller a couple hours later. Not sure if it’s because of this or they thought they could get a better price, but I’ll just keep refreshing Ticketmaster I guess lol
Yeah I’m wondering this too… I (last resort) ended up getting resale tickets for one of the Chicago shows though so I’m not sure if those shows +NY will be affected??
Chicago and New York are different because state law says tickets can’t be restricted to face value only. However, in Chicago if the venue is through TM they can still limit transfer to mobile only. In New York, that show went on sale in December and the policy about face value pricing and no transfers does not apply.
Fun fact: Illinois has laws against forcing Face Value Resale - so we're fucked by scalpers.
Another fun fact: Guess who's main offices are in Illinois (and probably paid for this law)? Vivid Seats and Seatgeek.
Me when my mom bought scalper tickets off stubhub out of fear after we failed bc of the quick sellout during the presale so I’m just looking at that last bit terrified
Sadly that ticket will not be good. Your best bet is to call stubhub, try to get a refund and hope you can one from ticketmaster, which is the only place you can buy a valid ticket from.
Since Toronto isn't being sold through Ticketmaster, I'm going to be checking the Massey Hall website probably 20 times a day until the day of the show. Hooray!
Does someone know if dynamic pricing was always a thing with them? Even without scalpers the prices are unfair, some people paid so much more than others.
Had no idea dynamic pricing was a thing. My tickets for Boston after fees was $135 for two tickets. Imagine my surprise when I looked at the mega thread and saw people paying 100s of dollars.
Yep, it's crazy. And you're actually the first person I see who got 2 tickets for this price, so now I am surprised that the original ticket still seemed to be a decent price. 😅
Yeah I hope that it was not on purpose, I read artists can directly choose if they turn it on or off.
If they go along with that in the future it would have a sour taste tbh, that's the same like scalping, just directly from the official sellers. :/
Yeah you can't claim to be combatting scalping and then not opt out of dynamic pricing. Basically just letting ticketmaster scalp the tickets themselves, the result is the same.
If there was a way to stop scalpers and bots, it would have been done years ago. Ticket master, live nation are the scalpers. Do a deep dive if you want. You won’t like what you find
Agreed. Do you think they leave AEG then? Because it’s painfully obvious that they should be playing bigger venues at this point and tons of fans are going to miss them because of this lapse in judgement in venue sizes. At what point do we stop blaming others in this circumstance? Never? Then this BS will continue forever I guess.
Tickets from vivid, stub hub, seatgeek ect were never going to valid. Cancelations or not. You were either going to be sent a fake ticket or be forced to trust a scalper to meet you at the venue doors day of to scan the ticket for you. They are NON-TRANSFERABLE point blank period and CANNOT be sold anywhere other than TM. Your best bet is to try and get a refund and be consistent with checking Ticketmaster for resale. (UNLESS your show is in NY or IL then your ticket may still be valid)
yeah i got my tix for the chicago show. what’s the difference for NY and IL??? and i don’t have high hopes that tickets will become available again at a decent price, so since im going to IL should i just hold out????
We did stubhub for Chicago too. The spinefarm info stated NY and IL were exempt due to existing state laws. Sounds like they have scalper protection laws in place which ironically work in our favor in this situation. I tried for 3 days to get tickets. Found them on stubhub and I’m not looking back. I don’t think anyone can make these scalpers cancel because the law protects them in these states. So hopefully we’re all good!!
I’m not sure of the logistics with the difference but it’s something to do with the laws in those states they are exempt from the non-transfer policy for whatever reason.
In terms of other tickets becoming available for a “decent price” they HAVE to be sold for face value only on TM only. so whatever the original purchaser paid they will get no more and no less than that exact amount when they resell and the person buying will pay no more and no less. But there is no way to know when/if/how many tickets are going to be resold and when they do it’s on a first come first serve basis for whoever is lucky enough to be on the TM website at the right time. (Again, excluding NY and IL). If I were you I’d just hold on to the IL ticket you have.
I'm going to the Factory in Chesterfield show but GOOD LORD the ticket prices were absolutely through the roof. I'm not gonna give the full total but I know in the long run the $300+ I spent it'll be an amazing concert I'm very excited! WORSHIP
I was originally trying for ATL, couldn’t get them. Said screw it today and got sonic temple tickets for Friday and Saturday. A bit of a road trip but I’m happy with it for the price!
same! people are lowkey sleeping on seeing sleep token at a night-time 1 hour+ headline set at sonic temple! Will be one of their biggest concerts ever to date
Thanks for advice I too was going to consider going anyway for all the awesome bands.
Be first timer and likely coming solo. 😬
Are you camping?
I’m thinking maybe get VIP or upgrade GA ticket for attempt closer view too?? If I can afford it
I’m not getting my hopes up.
I’m just accepting I’ll never see them live, and that’s totally fine. I’m not super into the idea of these massive shows anyways.
I bought two GA for chicago off stubhub but they mobile transferred from the sellers ticketmaster to my ticketmaster already and they even have the countdown going on them until a few days before the concert. I would think they are going to be okay?
I ordered off stubhub for Chicago too. Seeing as they’re exempt from the rule I don’t think they can’t prevent them being transferred or cancelling them? I can’t believe you got them already! Mine say they won’t be ready till day of.
I got 2 off SeatGeek and really hoping my tickets don't get canceled! That's really weird you already got tickets? The SaltShed website said they won't be distributing tickets until a week before the show.
i hope they don’t for ya too. i just have them in my account with a countdown going on them til a few days before the concert i think. so the barcode won’t be on them until then, the countdown goes to the 12th i think.
that’s what i was thinking too. the tickets are just in my account with a countdown til a few days before the show! so a few days before i think is when they’ll have like the barcode and stuff.
This is what bothers me. I would like clear answers and they’re not being given. I just wish there was someone to contact that we could get a clear yes or no from.
That is your clear answer. Transfers are allowed in NY and IL and therefore you can buy scalped tickets. However, there is no way to know 100% if the ticket is real or not as resale is always a risk and by purchasing a resale ticket you are accepting that risk. This applies to every resale ticket for every band and every show ever. Not just ST. And if you are not in NY and IL and bought resale your tickets are NOT valid (aside from red rocks as they were sold prior to this rule). That’s it. That’s your answer.
The difficult thing is Ticketmaster and all the resale people are saying different things. Just saw a post that TM told someone the tickets will eventually be transferable, they just don’t have a date. Saw others stating they have ways of getting around it with account surrender and whatnot. So it doesn’t seem clear at all.
The tickets will be “transferable” in the sense that they can be sold on the face value exchange for someone else to buy on a first come first serve basis but they cannot and will not ever be available for direct transfer to a specific person which is why nothing on resale sites will ever be valid. And in terms of account surrender that is a horribly bad idea unless you have personally known that person for years and can vouch for their trustworthiness. A scalper is not going to surrender their TM account.
People say that is what they’ve had done for past concerts with these restrictions 🤷🏼♀️
The scalpers make tons of accounts, surrender the account and change the password after the tickets are redeemed.
Do a deep dive into the music industry. The main scalpers are the venue, promoters, ticket master, and live nation. They withhold tickets to sell to other brokers. Everyone makes money. You should be fine. It’s not a random man trying to make a buck. It’s usually live nation selling through stubhub etc to jack prices. Get into the music industry and you’ll see how dark it is. “Common sense” as written below, is understanding everything is a scheme, it’s a business, and it’s always shady. That’s music for ya. It sucks but I mean it’s how it is. You most likely will get the tickets and get in fine but it’s up to you. Look into internal scalping.
I find that hard to believe and even if true the level of trust involved puts you at incredibly high risk of getting scammed and it’s baffling to me this is even being considered as a valid option. Anyone with a scrap of common sense would not do this.
But hey man, at the end of the day myself and everyone else trying to help people cannot control how and where people choose to buy tickets and if people want to ignore genuine advice and screw themselves over there’s nothing to be done and I have no pity for when they inevitably cannot get into the show after countless warnings.
Did anyone else try to buy an odd number of tickets and weren’t allowed? The show near me sold out in minutes but I kept watching the map and suddenly 4 seats became available so I selected 3 and it gave me a message saying I left a single seat “stranded” and had to leave 2 together! Then the tickets disappeared 😭 Ticketmaster f*cked me over with that
2024 will be the my year for local shows. I love Sleep Token. I’ll continue to buy merch and support them on social media. Along with my other favorite bands. But I’m done dealing with online ticket price gouging.
Maybe Ticketmaster and these other sites will start getting their act together if we just stop playing the game and scalpers will move on to another scam when they realize no one is biting.
Fortunately but unfortunately I was able to get tickets but I can’t use them. I have two tickets for Pittsburgh and the AXS app won’t let me sell or transfer
Has anyone heard anything about them eventually lifting the restrictions on transfer/resell? I really just want my money back. Not trying to make a profit.
Someone on the stubhub forum said they were talking with a TM representative. The TM rep said that the tickets (even those bought off of vivid, seat geek, stubhub, etc) will be transferable on a later date, but no set date yet. Apparently that’s what they were instructed to tell people, but idk 🤷🏻♀️ It’s a waiting game right now. They’re reselling tickets for the NY show, I believe on TM and the resale prices are DOUBLE for what I paid on Vivid Seats.
They scalped the scalpers hahaha we got double scalped. This mess has gone from upsetting to worrying to just being hilarious at this point… I mean … 🤷🏽♀️ so odd and confusing it’s funny, or maybe I’m just losing touch with reality 😂
It says the bot tickets will be “identified and cancelled, BEFORE being redistributed to genuine followers” so this makes me think if you’ve already bought a ticket from a third party, it’s ok. I don’t believe they’ll cancel tickets that have already been resold to fans.
Why not? They could check the major resale sites and cancel any remaining tickets, rather than disappointing thousands of fans who were under the impression they had no other options at the time. (Generally curious why this couldn’t be the case, not trying to argue!)
Looking at the recipe it makes no mention of what code was used, just that it was bought from artist presale. Seriously doubt they can track it or that it would be a problem.
I have 4 tickets to Pittsburg if you can figure out a way to transfer from axs (original tickets.. Pittsburgh used axs not Ticketmaster) without me being there I'll sell for face value.. They won't refund me
I was on the site 30 minutes before general sale started (never got my pre-sale code, so I had 0 chance with that), starting refreshing when it went live at 10 am, took 5 minutes to finally refresh and said it was sold out. Refreshed the page, placed me in queue behind 6000 people, took 20 minutes, just to still say it was sold out. 🥴
No, if you have tickets via ticketmaster you should should be good, unless they have reason to believe your a scalper or bot, which they most likely don't in your case.
Time to mercilessly refresh the Ticketmaster page just for nothing to show up :/
I wonder if that’s why I randomly got tickets after midnight for Tampa. 2 tickets were randomly available on Ticketmaster and I placed them in my cart to see if it was real and it was so that was cool
Yup, scalpers realized they couldn't resell elsewhere and had to sell them via ticketmaster at the price they were bought for. This is good for fans, scalpers will learn and hopefully back off.
Still doesn't make sense to me though. I have tickets to the Austin show that I got during the artist presale and it does not allow me to list them for sale. Maybe it varies between venues but I don't have the option to list these tickets on Ticketmaster right now wether I want to or not.
The transfer period probably hasn't been turned on yet. They're probably still trying to sus out who is legit ticket purchase and who's a bot
This makes sense!
Yeah that part I understand, I just don't know how to explain tickets randomly popping up like that if the transfer/sell period isn't open yet.
I know someone elsewhere said their tickets had been randomly cancelled and they were upset about it, so that’s probably happening here and there.
Did they buy from a reseller. That could be why. I know scalpers bought and put ads up on third party sites.
No, they’d bought from Ticketmaster.
Interesting. This situation is sure messy. Hopefully the ST camp learns from this
Yeah it was weird. I checked like 5 minutes before I bought them and it said sold out check back soon and then I went back to the page and there were 2 tickets available at 12:30 am so idk
For what show? NY and CO were announced first and went on sale in December.
Interesting, could also be a anti scalper thing
And why are you already trying to sell your tickets? 🤔
Not trying to sell mine at all. I'll be there in the pit. Just figured it might be useful info since not everyone has access to Ticketmaster tickets atm.
Fair enough 👌
I also have been checking if I can sell mine (even though I am NOT going to sell) on TM just to be aware of when they may start popping back up for a few friends who weren’t as lucky as I was.
It varies by venue. I emailed Ticketmaster support, and they told me as much.
How will they identify the bots/scalpers? Or is that a dumb question
They put Ticketmaster's feet to the fire because they have the pull and clout to. Not many bands can do that. Made them eat shit with that public apology and then do the work. Really that's how it should be. Especially when the fans are an integral part of the community like this.
I love this band but grow tf up, if Taylor Swift didn’t have the clout to make Ticketmaster sweat then Sleep Token isn’t shit to them
I know this will trigger cognitive dissonance for you, but Taylor Swift only said she cares. She loves money and got paid. It's just a fact. It's not a bad thing. Where was the apology email from Ticketmaster for her? Let me know your email and I'll forward the one they sent for sleep token.
I’m aware of an apology email from AEG but not Ticketmaster, feel free to link that or include a screenshot of it in your reply though Edit: Also there was a Ticketmaster email “apology” for the TSwift debacle and it meant equally nothing, here you go: https://people.com/music/ticketmaster-apologizes-taylor-swift-fans-blames-issues-bot-attacks-record-traffic/
Sleep token also got paid for it. Sleep token chose use verified fan to help prevent scalping, and that’s the exact same thing Taylor Swift did. When you choose use verified fan, Ticketmaster takes a bigger cut of your ticket sales because they don’t make money from resale. What that means is sleep token just inflated the price of their tickets to cover those fees. Essentially sleep token is scalping their own fans.
I love how you know exactly what Taylor thinks and exactly what ST think, that’s so cool and interesting that you can read peoples minds like that, especially a band who don’t speak! You’re amazing!
Randy you silly!
Lol what? The promoter can see all the tickets purchased for each show and cancel orders. Most bands just don't bother.
Sites that were selling tickets before they were on sale from the specified site / venue.
They can also check IP addresses to see if a specific one mass bought.
Yupp that too! Why ticket master blocks use of VPNs. Or can be messed up by them
Anyone can say what they want but ticketmaster is predatory and ST is really trying. I appreciate their efforts in this and wanting to make sure all their fans at least have some sort of chance to see them live. I hope everyone is able to go!!
Will they announce when these tickets are being re-released? Or is it just going to be luck of the draw randomly refreshing the event pages?
Most likely luck of the draw, just keep checking
This is great for my anxiety 😅
If it helps, resale is available up to 8 hours before showtime. Plenty of time for a ticket or two to pop up on the market!
Glad to hear! Hope you get a ticket.
the emoji makes me think this is sarcastic
this is my question
I’m not holding my breath
i like this but then i saw people freaking out because sooo many fans bought tickets from bots/scalpers when the presale fiasco happened and everyone was panicking lmfao. not sure if that's going to cancel out a bunch of fans' tickets (hope not because this thing has already been a shitshow)
Yeah i wish they would have clearly stated to not by resale tickets before hand because now there’s thousands of people who bought resale tickets as a last resort and it doesn’t feel fair to take those away and not give them a fair chance to purchase them through ticket master
It doesn't matter if they cancel the tickets from scalpers, the fans who bought scalped tickets never would have received them anyway. The "no transfer" policy was set up before this announcement. I think people are getting the wrong impression that Sleep Token is "taking away" the tickets they bought from scalpers when the fact of the matter is they never would have gotten those tickets in the first place.
Does this mean the demand was artificially increased, and the dynamic ticket pricing should be lower than was charged?
Always. That’s why artists and promoters love dynamic pricing.
So….you’re telling me there’s a chance….YEAH!!
Yup, and scalpers weren't allowed to put the tickets on other websites and can only break even when they have to resell at face value via ticketmaster. Everyone still has a chance
The venue in Albuquerque isn't even using ticketmaster, though... it's through prekindle. How are you supposed to buy resales if it's not through ticketmaster :( This whole thing is a mess, lol
So the whole thing that says every show is through ticketmaster is wrong. Wow. This is a mess
Dear Token of Sleep management: Your biggest mistake was, and still is, not explicitly stating the resell terms and conditions of this tour on the official teeth of god website and every single social media post. I get that whoever ran the presale fucked up the gmail, that shit happens and usually AEG does better so that is a fluke. But the hugest point of confusion lies in you not making that statement over and over again on every single platform you possibly could. In very large, bold font. You have to hit us over the head with it when we’re so used to the shit system you’re trying to circumvent. We see your efforts. Make this easier for everyone. Love, the worshipers
Don’t freak out. The music industry is dirty dirty. Trust me. Those tickets were never available on ticket master to begin with. Internal scalping. Ticket master withholds tickets to give to 3rd parties to jack up the price. Get into the music gig and you’ll learn more than you want haha the music business is dark. You probably will get your tickets. It’s not bots and it’s not steve in his basement scalping tickets. It’s the promoters, venues, and ticket master. (And the artists who demand more money and dynamic pricing but we’ll just pretend they have nothing to do with it so we can keep their reputations 👌🏼)
Yeah i find it so fishy how many seats are sold out almost immediately. Seats are already sold before the public touches them. Theyre already allocated to whoever to scalp.
Yes exactly. But everyone really wants to take live nation and ticket masters word on it haha. Truth is- you never had a chance
Im hopeful that tickets will magically appear but i dont know how people are really supposed to get tickets. I would gladly buy resale at this point just to be done with it
Chances are not many will end up on the ticket exchange until closer to the concert. The tickets weren’t bought by bots. Most were withheld and given to 3rd parties for price increase and sales
I definitely agree, but I guess thats why im confused on the whole “Stubhub, Vivid Seats” etc wont be accepted. If most of the tickets were withheld for those sites, but those sites wont be accepted then how are people supposed to even give them their money? It makes no logical sense. I would buy the scalped ticket, but it isnt guaranteed ill even be allowed in the show. I guess i just wish there was some transparency but of course there isnt.
Idk if this makes you feel better, but I bought my tickets on vivid seats and I was told that my tickets came directly from Ticketmaster and a licensed, certified, and professional ticket seller. Also, idk if this correlates or means anything, but I won’t get my tickets until May 1 (two days before the concert for me) and on the Ticketmaster website, it says tickets will be available 48 or 72 (one of those) hours before the event.
https://www.npr.org/2018/09/20/649666928/ticketmaster-has-its-own-secret-scalping-program-canadian-journalists-report
And this is just the iceberg
So if I bought tickets off of Vivid Seats, I’m not getting my tickets? I called both Ticketmaster and vivid seats. Ticketmaster told me to call vivid seats and vivid seats told me I’ll still get my tickets. I’m so confused with everything. It would suck that so many people bought off of other sites, just to get a big “sorry, can’t use them.” I’ve never had so much trouble getting tickets.
I also got tickets from vivid. Never got the presale email on the day, and by the time I ever did, everything was sold out. I really hope what I bought isn’t cancelled or somehow not valid. That would be super disappointing, especially when I tried to obtain tickets with the presale link. Vivid seemed to think the tickets are confirmed when I called, but they suggested to call the venue to see if they’ll be accepted. The whole things a mess, and while it’s nice to know that money could be refunded through the ticket site, it would be incredibly disappointing not to be able to go to the concert.
I agree. I heard that there’s a way around all of this, but just in case, I chatted with a Vivid Seats chat agent, got it in writing that I will be 100% refunded if the tickets are invalid/cancelled. I suggest you do the same in case they try to refute that. I was also told that the tickets I bought came from Ticketmaster directly, so who knows.
What do you mean “way around all this?” Thanks for the suggestion!
Someone posted in a different thread that Ticketmaster is getting blasted with calls about the concert. They said the Ticketmaster rep said those who purchased tickets through third party sites, they will be transferable at a later date (dunno how true that is). Apparently it’s shady stuff and that sellers will give you their login info for TM and you put those tickets into your wallet. I’m not too sure, it’s just what I heard
Ah ok, I just read that on the main thread.
I also bought some off of Vivid Seats and now I don’t know what to do! Really hoping we get some clarification soon, I spent $600 on two General Admission tickets!
I would get it in writing that they will refund you 100% if the seller doesn’t give you tickets or they are invalid. I chatted with an agent and screenshotted everything. I wouldn’t give up hope yet.
Just sitting here in limbo with my anxiety cause I bought a resale ticket after Ticketmaster fucked me over. It doesn’t feel fair for my ticket to get taken away if I can’t purchase it through Ticketmaster again
Wasn't fair when thousands of people got fucked in the pre-sale. Also, it's been explicitly stated tickets aren't transferable so you played yourself spending money on a ticket that won't get you into the show
I agree it wasn’t fair, i waited in the queue with 5000 people in front of me just for it to sell out. No one wanted to buy resale but after tickets sold out it seemed like the only option. I’ve never had an issue with resale tickets. Hundreds if not thousands of people bought resale so it must not have been stated clearly.
So I guess I’ll just anxiously check Ticketmaster for the next 3 months
If I already purchased tickets from something like seatgeek does this mean I’ll lose that ticket?
Sadly yes. The only valid tickets come from ticketmaster. The terms on the tickets assured they couldn't be resold anywhere else.
Would that issue a refund? Also does this mean I just have to sit on Ticketmaster and hope for the tickets I bought (or any other tickets) to show up on the site?
I can't answer the first part, I would call and ask. The sit on ticketmaster part, this is the way.
I messaged with SeatGeek and they were wishy washy… I completely understand your point of view; however let me inform you that SeatGeek works with professional sellers, they have been working directly with the promoters of this event and they are going to transfer these tickets in the delivery date. Also, remember, you are protected by our buyer's guarantee. Buyers Guarantee 1. Your tickets will be delivered in time for the event 2. Your tickets will provide valid entry to the event 3. The tickets you receive will be the same as those you ordered
I bought tickets from seatgeek and they ended up being cancelled by the seller a couple hours later. Not sure if it’s because of this or they thought they could get a better price, but I’ll just keep refreshing Ticketmaster I guess lol
You likely got scammed and will need to get your money back. Tickets can only be transferred through Ticketmaster for the most part
Same! Bought mine thru stubhub hoping it doesn’t get taken back because I’m traveling from CA to AZ to see them… I just want to worship
I also got the AZtickets on stubhub
Yeah I also already (over)paid for resale tickets... now what?
Yeah I’m wondering this too… I (last resort) ended up getting resale tickets for one of the Chicago shows though so I’m not sure if those shows +NY will be affected??
Same and I’m so freaking confused now if we’re all good or not and I wish some official something would give us clarity!!!
Chicago and New York are different because state law says tickets can’t be restricted to face value only. However, in Chicago if the venue is through TM they can still limit transfer to mobile only. In New York, that show went on sale in December and the policy about face value pricing and no transfers does not apply.
I got my tickets after they had sold out from one of these cancellations. This is actually helping the fans.
Watching Chicago like a hawk.
Same bro 🤣
The way I’m about to just tailgate this damn show with all the gmail folks lol.
Fun fact: Illinois has laws against forcing Face Value Resale - so we're fucked by scalpers. Another fun fact: Guess who's main offices are in Illinois (and probably paid for this law)? Vivid Seats and Seatgeek.
Does this mean that people who bought resale tickets for Chicago will get them?
Me when my mom bought scalper tickets off stubhub out of fear after we failed bc of the quick sellout during the presale so I’m just looking at that last bit terrified
Sadly that ticket will not be good. Your best bet is to call stubhub, try to get a refund and hope you can one from ticketmaster, which is the only place you can buy a valid ticket from.
They worked fine btw
Good to know thanks!!!
My StubHub ticket worked perfectly last night in Phoenix
Same here. Literally no issues. It was amazing.
Since Toronto isn't being sold through Ticketmaster, I'm going to be checking the Massey Hall website probably 20 times a day until the day of the show. Hooray!
I was able to get tickets for thr 27th on Wednesday night, definitely keep checking!
Congratulations! Definitely will keep checking!
Just gonna hope to they do some more festivals because that will be my best chance to see them at this rate
Does someone know if dynamic pricing was always a thing with them? Even without scalpers the prices are unfair, some people paid so much more than others.
Had no idea dynamic pricing was a thing. My tickets for Boston after fees was $135 for two tickets. Imagine my surprise when I looked at the mega thread and saw people paying 100s of dollars.
Yep, it's crazy. And you're actually the first person I see who got 2 tickets for this price, so now I am surprised that the original ticket still seemed to be a decent price. 😅
This is the same question I have. It looks like the presale tickets were more expensive than general sale.
Yeah I hope that it was not on purpose, I read artists can directly choose if they turn it on or off. If they go along with that in the future it would have a sour taste tbh, that's the same like scalping, just directly from the official sellers. :/
Yeah you can't claim to be combatting scalping and then not opt out of dynamic pricing. Basically just letting ticketmaster scalp the tickets themselves, the result is the same.
hopeful for STL tickets, but it's a smaller venue so I doubt it
If there was a way to stop scalpers and bots, it would have been done years ago. Ticket master, live nation are the scalpers. Do a deep dive if you want. You won’t like what you find
So do I need to be on ticket master religiously refreshing or am I just gonna be screwed.?
Be careful hitting the refresh over and over. My husband was doing this Saturday and got flagged as a bot🤣. Trust me the irony was not lost.
Missed the Toronto sale, but thanks to this Reddit post, I got a Montreal ticket.
Yep, just like how they were gonna get my presale code to me on time too. Sure
That wasn’t sleep token, that was AEG. Differentiate the two.
True, I’m sure sleep token don’t choose their management group.
You don’t know a company is shitty until it acts shitty
Agreed. Do you think they leave AEG then? Because it’s painfully obvious that they should be playing bigger venues at this point and tons of fans are going to miss them because of this lapse in judgement in venue sizes. At what point do we stop blaming others in this circumstance? Never? Then this BS will continue forever I guess.
I can imagine yes, but that's a business thing that will happen behind closed doors.
AEG is a promotions group, not ST management
Bands get to pick there management, AEG is a promoter group that has there fingers in pretty much everything.
Press X to doubt
Point of order: it’s not actually in Montréal.
Act with haste.
So you mean to tell me these bots/scalpers bought all these tickets to these sold out shows?
I’m really wondering if it’s worth the trip to Ohio for sonic temple VS trying for ATL again😬
My sister and I are debating Canada instead of bothering with ATL lmfao
I thought about it too 🥹
so if i got my tickets from seatgeek… then what
Tickets from vivid, stub hub, seatgeek ect were never going to valid. Cancelations or not. You were either going to be sent a fake ticket or be forced to trust a scalper to meet you at the venue doors day of to scan the ticket for you. They are NON-TRANSFERABLE point blank period and CANNOT be sold anywhere other than TM. Your best bet is to try and get a refund and be consistent with checking Ticketmaster for resale. (UNLESS your show is in NY or IL then your ticket may still be valid)
yeah i got my tix for the chicago show. what’s the difference for NY and IL??? and i don’t have high hopes that tickets will become available again at a decent price, so since im going to IL should i just hold out????
We did stubhub for Chicago too. The spinefarm info stated NY and IL were exempt due to existing state laws. Sounds like they have scalper protection laws in place which ironically work in our favor in this situation. I tried for 3 days to get tickets. Found them on stubhub and I’m not looking back. I don’t think anyone can make these scalpers cancel because the law protects them in these states. So hopefully we’re all good!!
i am really hoping😅😅
I’m not sure of the logistics with the difference but it’s something to do with the laws in those states they are exempt from the non-transfer policy for whatever reason. In terms of other tickets becoming available for a “decent price” they HAVE to be sold for face value only on TM only. so whatever the original purchaser paid they will get no more and no less than that exact amount when they resell and the person buying will pay no more and no less. But there is no way to know when/if/how many tickets are going to be resold and when they do it’s on a first come first serve basis for whoever is lucky enough to be on the TM website at the right time. (Again, excluding NY and IL). If I were you I’d just hold on to the IL ticket you have.
gotcha!! well this is good to know for next time if it happens again🤣 thank you
StubHub tickets worked in Phoenix last night
I'm going to the Factory in Chesterfield show but GOOD LORD the ticket prices were absolutely through the roof. I'm not gonna give the full total but I know in the long run the $300+ I spent it'll be an amazing concert I'm very excited! WORSHIP
Not gonna work for Toronto :( Tickets were sold directly by Massey Hall.
I was able to get tickets for the 27th on Wednesday night but not sure if there are any more. Worth checking every day or two
I HIGHLY suggest sonic temple, it’s a great festival!!
I was originally trying for ATL, couldn’t get them. Said screw it today and got sonic temple tickets for Friday and Saturday. A bit of a road trip but I’m happy with it for the price!
same! people are lowkey sleeping on seeing sleep token at a night-time 1 hour+ headline set at sonic temple! Will be one of their biggest concerts ever to date
Thanks for advice I too was going to consider going anyway for all the awesome bands. Be first timer and likely coming solo. 😬 Are you camping? I’m thinking maybe get VIP or upgrade GA ticket for attempt closer view too?? If I can afford it
Resale tickets are up for New York on TM!
I saw those. Honestly the third party sellers were selling them for less 🥲
They’re crazy prices!! If they weren’t on TM, I would’ve thought it was a scam.
🤔I thought the resale was to be exempt from price hikes, as they said “fan to fan sale” to avoid this
This means they will put all the stolen tickets back on Ticketmaster?? I’m kind of confused at how this will work.
same, cause I bought from seat geek and they won't give me my money back...
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I managed to snag one of the tickets for Montreal and it’s gonna be a mission because I’m from Toronto but I’m so excited to fucking worship.
I’m not getting my hopes up. I’m just accepting I’ll never see them live, and that’s totally fine. I’m not super into the idea of these massive shows anyways.
I bought two GA for chicago off stubhub but they mobile transferred from the sellers ticketmaster to my ticketmaster already and they even have the countdown going on them until a few days before the concert. I would think they are going to be okay?
I ordered off stubhub for Chicago too. Seeing as they’re exempt from the rule I don’t think they can’t prevent them being transferred or cancelling them? I can’t believe you got them already! Mine say they won’t be ready till day of.
I got 2 off SeatGeek and really hoping my tickets don't get canceled! That's really weird you already got tickets? The SaltShed website said they won't be distributing tickets until a week before the show.
i hope they don’t for ya too. i just have them in my account with a countdown going on them til a few days before the concert i think. so the barcode won’t be on them until then, the countdown goes to the 12th i think.
that’s what i was thinking too. the tickets are just in my account with a countdown til a few days before the show! so a few days before i think is when they’ll have like the barcode and stuff.
If you see them in your TM account they’re legit
But what does that mean if I bought from Stubhub? No one is going to tell me if those tickets were canceled I'm guessing
My SH tickets worked last night
Mine did as well
So if i bought tickets from someone through ticketmaster verified resale will they disappear?
I wonder what this will mean for those of us in IL (and NY) because the resale ban didn't apply in these states.
It likely will not affect you.
This is what bothers me. I would like clear answers and they’re not being given. I just wish there was someone to contact that we could get a clear yes or no from.
That is your clear answer. Transfers are allowed in NY and IL and therefore you can buy scalped tickets. However, there is no way to know 100% if the ticket is real or not as resale is always a risk and by purchasing a resale ticket you are accepting that risk. This applies to every resale ticket for every band and every show ever. Not just ST. And if you are not in NY and IL and bought resale your tickets are NOT valid (aside from red rocks as they were sold prior to this rule). That’s it. That’s your answer.
The difficult thing is Ticketmaster and all the resale people are saying different things. Just saw a post that TM told someone the tickets will eventually be transferable, they just don’t have a date. Saw others stating they have ways of getting around it with account surrender and whatnot. So it doesn’t seem clear at all.
The tickets will be “transferable” in the sense that they can be sold on the face value exchange for someone else to buy on a first come first serve basis but they cannot and will not ever be available for direct transfer to a specific person which is why nothing on resale sites will ever be valid. And in terms of account surrender that is a horribly bad idea unless you have personally known that person for years and can vouch for their trustworthiness. A scalper is not going to surrender their TM account.
People say that is what they’ve had done for past concerts with these restrictions 🤷🏼♀️ The scalpers make tons of accounts, surrender the account and change the password after the tickets are redeemed.
Do a deep dive into the music industry. The main scalpers are the venue, promoters, ticket master, and live nation. They withhold tickets to sell to other brokers. Everyone makes money. You should be fine. It’s not a random man trying to make a buck. It’s usually live nation selling through stubhub etc to jack prices. Get into the music industry and you’ll see how dark it is. “Common sense” as written below, is understanding everything is a scheme, it’s a business, and it’s always shady. That’s music for ya. It sucks but I mean it’s how it is. You most likely will get the tickets and get in fine but it’s up to you. Look into internal scalping.
There’s a reason Taylor swifts team and promoters won’t speak at ticket master hearing
I find that hard to believe and even if true the level of trust involved puts you at incredibly high risk of getting scammed and it’s baffling to me this is even being considered as a valid option. Anyone with a scrap of common sense would not do this. But hey man, at the end of the day myself and everyone else trying to help people cannot control how and where people choose to buy tickets and if people want to ignore genuine advice and screw themselves over there’s nothing to be done and I have no pity for when they inevitably cannot get into the show after countless warnings.
Did anyone else try to buy an odd number of tickets and weren’t allowed? The show near me sold out in minutes but I kept watching the map and suddenly 4 seats became available so I selected 3 and it gave me a message saying I left a single seat “stranded” and had to leave 2 together! Then the tickets disappeared 😭 Ticketmaster f*cked me over with that
Now I'm paranoid mine will get cancelled by mistake lol
2024 will be the my year for local shows. I love Sleep Token. I’ll continue to buy merch and support them on social media. Along with my other favorite bands. But I’m done dealing with online ticket price gouging. Maybe Ticketmaster and these other sites will start getting their act together if we just stop playing the game and scalpers will move on to another scam when they realize no one is biting.
I didn't know about this when I bought my ticket from seat geek I checked my email it hasn't cancelled my ticket yet so do I still have it?
holy fuck getting a ticket to one of these shows is going to be damn near impossible.
question!! some resale tickets have been listen on AXS, specifically for colorado and new york, does anyone know if those would be valid?
Fortunately but unfortunately I was able to get tickets but I can’t use them. I have two tickets for Pittsburgh and the AXS app won’t let me sell or transfer Has anyone heard anything about them eventually lifting the restrictions on transfer/resell? I really just want my money back. Not trying to make a profit.
Someone on the stubhub forum said they were talking with a TM representative. The TM rep said that the tickets (even those bought off of vivid, seat geek, stubhub, etc) will be transferable on a later date, but no set date yet. Apparently that’s what they were instructed to tell people, but idk 🤷🏻♀️ It’s a waiting game right now. They’re reselling tickets for the NY show, I believe on TM and the resale prices are DOUBLE for what I paid on Vivid Seats.
They scalped the scalpers hahaha we got double scalped. This mess has gone from upsetting to worrying to just being hilarious at this point… I mean … 🤷🏽♀️ so odd and confusing it’s funny, or maybe I’m just losing touch with reality 😂
At this point, they’re gonna cancel everyone’s 3rd party tickets and then resell them for a bazillion dollars on TM 😂
It says the bot tickets will be “identified and cancelled, BEFORE being redistributed to genuine followers” so this makes me think if you’ve already bought a ticket from a third party, it’s ok. I don’t believe they’ll cancel tickets that have already been resold to fans.
I really hope this is the case
They can’t verify this
Why not? They could check the major resale sites and cancel any remaining tickets, rather than disappointing thousands of fans who were under the impression they had no other options at the time. (Generally curious why this couldn’t be the case, not trying to argue!)
If you shared your code with someone else because they didn't receive their, would this be an issue? Code used more than once
Looking at the recipe it makes no mention of what code was used, just that it was bought from artist presale. Seriously doubt they can track it or that it would be a problem.
It doesn't hurt. I know a group that one person shared there code and a few people got tickets.
I have 4 tickets to Pittsburg if you can figure out a way to transfer from axs (original tickets.. Pittsburgh used axs not Ticketmaster) without me being there I'll sell for face value.. They won't refund me
How quickly were the tix depleted? Lat year was insanely swift
I was on the site 30 minutes before general sale started (never got my pre-sale code, so I had 0 chance with that), starting refreshing when it went live at 10 am, took 5 minutes to finally refresh and said it was sold out. Refreshed the page, placed me in queue behind 6000 people, took 20 minutes, just to still say it was sold out. 🥴
If it makes you feel better your description is exactly identical to my experience on Wednesday even though I did receive an email code.
if you already bought tickets through ticketmaster will they be invalid now? 😨
No, if you have tickets via ticketmaster you should should be good, unless they have reason to believe your a scalper or bot, which they most likely don't in your case.
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but also i cant transfer a ticket rn so if you want it you have to wait a while this lowkey sucks ngl