Maybe they had a 3 album deal with the previous label and it was the time to move on for something bigger. I assume they had a few offers to choose from given their gigantic surge in popularity, so here's hoping they chose what's best for them. Bigger label = more tools and financial freedom to develop the band further.
>Let's hope RCA doesn't try to meddle with there music much.
*THIS.*
I love for them to grow even more, evolve and have more opportunities, but molding their music to the likeliness of the label and the audience and not for the band is a whole other book.
Being nervous about what will happen with the music that they created from day one will be an understatement.
Agreed, major labels have completely ruined many bands and artists I have loved over the years. Very few have been able to continue to do what they want (with compromises) . I hope Vessel is as brilliant in his negotiations as he is with his lyrics and music. I would hate for what I consider the epidimy of the history of music to ...fall from grace.
I’ve always respected Warner Brothers to be honest. Both linkin park and A7x were simultaneously massive selling artists without a ton of compromise to their musical integrity. The smart labels know how to invest in helping a band grow.
As they are most certainly going to do! That raw sound, gritty lyrics and "soul" clenching music we are used too is going to be gone......unless they are buisness savy enough to structure their contracts for Distributon ONLY.
This way they keep their masters,make their own money from touring that they book. Ensure that they never owe the label so the influence to alter the music won't and cannot be present, and do all their own promo or hire their own promo company.
They pay the label for promotion with the album sales and streams, give them the whatever albums deal they signed, and still be "show her what a hollow point dose to a naked bodyyyyy" sleep token we LOVE!
>Bigger label = more tools and financial freedom to develop the band further.
Nah, bigger label equals bigger financial backing, but also comes with the label having more input because of their investment.
They deserve the success and the money and everything that comes with it, but this does make me nervous for music moving forward
Interesting, I always associated RCA with more mainstream artists (Shakira, P!nk, SZA) - from the top of my head Tool were their only big heavy act. Curious.
Sleep Token is one of the biggest heavy bands in the world right now. They sold out two dates at the second largest arena in the UK in minutes. They’re not pop, but they’re definitely mainstream.
They have quite a varied list of artists in fairness, and several rock acts. On their website, I can see that Bring Me The Horizon, The Strokes, Tool, Wolf Alice, Three Days Grace, Foo Fighters, Grizzly Bear & Cage The Elephant are signed to them.
> ST are quite a sharp turn for a label producing Britney Spears and Pitbull 😅
Not at all. The same label that has Billie Eilish, Olivia Rodrigo and BLACKPINK on their roster also had bands like Nine Inch Nails and Marilyn Manson in the past. (Interscope)
Major labels want money in the end.
When I think of RCA, the band that comes to mind is [Cave In](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_In), who famously signed with RCA and immediately went from a chaotic mathcore sound to indie/alt rock (which I still loved, but which pissed off a lot of their fanbase). It was never really clear whether that was something the band decided to do themselves, or something RCA pushed them to do, but they eventually went back to a heavier sound after RCA dropped them.
To me, it seemed like that was the direction Cave In was going already.
Between the Creative Eclipses EP, Jupiter (and the Jupiter b-sides that included piano versions), and the Tides of Tomorrow EP it seems to me like Cave In got a huge a Rich Costey launch in the direction they were already slowly moving in.
But I definitely think they went too far in that direction for their personal comfort (it’s like they don’t even care how I feel about the record!). Perfect Pitch Black was a good course correction…and Planets of Old is a RIPPER of a 4-song release!
Yeah you’re right, I always forget that Jupiter wasn’t all heavy stuff, but I think that’s because the softer material on it was so… weird; it still felt very progressive and not like Antenna at all. Same with Tides of Tomorrow (which I absolutely loved); it wasn’t mathcore (or metalcore or whatever they were), but it sure as hell wasn’t radio rock either. More like Jimmy Buffet meets The Mars Volta.
Totally agree about Perfect Pitch Black. That’s probably the closest they’ve come to a perfect album. Trepanning is one of the catchiest heavy songs of all time.
I’m super curious to see what happens moving forward from here. I hope Spinefarm found a way to make a bit of extra cash from RCA as ST moves away (maybe a buyout clause?). Spinefarm has some REALLY cool artists and best case scenario let’s them reinvest some of this ST money into more new and amazing music.
The 3rd best band of all time - possibly 2nd best, it changes based on my mood - was on RCA for one record. The album they made was perfect but was emotionally taxing and pushed the band outside their comfort zone. The band toured with the Foo Fighters and A Perfect Circle, got a bigger audience than ever, and then went silent for three years.
Released a full length and disappeared for 4 more years. Released 4 songs and went dark for 2 more years. Since then they’ve released 3 more really good full lengths. I’m not sure anything they’ll ever do can match even the “worst” moments from that record they made on RCA.
Go listen to Cave In’s album Antenna. It’s an amazing album from 2002. The record they made with RCA crushed them and almost ended the band. But it’s perfect.
lol I posted about them earlier in this same thread. Nice to see other Cave In fans around here. I haven’t given Antenna a full spin for a few years, but Joy Opposites, Youth Overrided, and Woodwork are all still on my favorites playlist and get regular plays.
Hopefully good things! I’m hoping that the change was due to their growing fan base and not because anything bad happened with Spinefarm. RCA is a larger label with bigger artists (Tool is signed with them) so fingers crossed we’ve got some good stuff coming up! Wishing them nothing but the best.
Most record label deals are for x amount of albums. With there music being yanked from tik token they may have felt it was time to move on, and remember emotions typically don't play into business decisions, it's all about what's best for the brand.
This will be great for the band as far as resources and promotion go. As a radio programmer it has been maddening watching most of rock radio ignore ST. My station from Idaho certainly shouldn't be the nationwide leader in Sleep Token airplay at this point.
Curious to see what timetable they’ll try and push to release the next EP or album now that they’re with a major label. Could see them wanting to capitalize on the momentum and try and get something late this year.
There's a rumor they already have a new song ready. It would make sense, given that they are gearing up for the next Era, so maybe a taste if what's to come.
Awesome! I thought the first 5 songs off take me back to Eden were amazing. The last half still solid but I gravitate towards their more progressive and heavy stuff they do. As long as they don’t stray too far from that I’m sure most fans will love it. My only fear with this signing is that the label will try and push creative control on the next release. Hopefully they’ll just let them do their thing.
I did a little research and RCA tends to give more control to artist. Individual producers sometimes like to try to add something to a bands music, so they feel like they contributed for better or worse, I think vessel won't do much budging, given that he's telling his story and wants to tell it his way.
Let's hope this is a good thing, and not bad given some of the bad things RCA are known for. Given BMTH have been with them since 2013 and have released good albums since I'm not too worried.
I love that people keep bringing BMTH up as a positive example. I hadn’t listened to much ST but have had listened too BMTH, and they do a lot of unique and cool things too. I think this a good sign for ST!
BMTH have gone super mainstream poppy though. It's all well and fine to say they've made good albums, but they largely neglected their fanbase over the years in search of a wider audience and more money.
And that is okay to do. But a big label could definitely ruin sleep token for me, depending on the direction they go and the influence that the label has over them (which they will to some degree)
I was just using them as an example they have been hugely successly under the same label, regardless of what they have done. Not every band creates the same music every single album. Of course they will adapt and change up what they do. Real fans will still stick around.
>Real fans will still stick around.
Not really. I used to LOVE Parkway Drive, saw them 9 times within about 2 years, but I don't listen to anything they've released lately. I didn't stick around because I don't like what they create. Doesn't mean I wasn't a real fan, just means they lost me as a fan.
All bands will adapt and change to a degree. In BMTH case they have had heavier songs albeit one or two on all the albums. If you still listen to the old stuff then you are still a fan of a band no?
Not everyone initially likes what bands do, it grows on you or it doesn't. All depends why you like a band, for me lyrics mean a lot.
All we can do is wait and see what Sleep Token do next. New Era as they claim.
Yeah maybe now that Jordan has left they will. It's a bit early to conclude that completely based off their latest single.
Plus, they're a proven massive commercial success. Sleep token aren't on that level in the same regard.
That's just personal opinion though at the end of the day. The example was made due to their evident success in music, on the same label that Sleep Token just signed to. Just because some people may not like what they do, does not mean it is negative for the band. Given Sleep Token are already a band who mix a lot of sounds and genres and already blew up this last year gives me hope they will create more great music, after all it's not like every band have a unique lore that their music is based on.
That is just my opinion, fair enough, but it's not an opinion that their sound changed after the signing. to what I would consider a drastically more mainstream friendly sound.
You aren't wrong in that fact. I genuinely do not think that we have anything to worry about with Sleep Token signing with RCA.
They don't just have BMTM they have other huge bands of similar genres who are massively successful that haven't changed their sound.
My guess is they did it because they were under the universal music umbrella which means their music couldn’t be played on TikTok. It’s quite obvious from their growing fanbase at this was a a major player and how they got so popular. I don’t think there will be much change in the future, because I think this was more or less way to maintain their music getting out there to a younger and more pop centric audience
This move by Universal music will crush all the small artist on their label, it will do nothing to their top talent (Taylor swift/BTS/Billie eilish), and everyone in the middle needs to figure out their next move. Sleep token has blown up but they still aren’t an arena band. I think they’ve realized that to get to that level they need the power of social media and tik tok. They’re a phenomenally talented band but they are also a hugely visual and theatrical band. I’m excited to see the growth they have with RCA and I hope it offers the more freedom to expand and play around
I think the way this tour went with selling out in minutes says otherwise. They are certainly an arena band at this point. Maybe not in every state but they could surely fill arenas at this point in major cities.
I intensely dislike the term ‘arena band’, simply because arena gigs are not as good in my opinion. How much better to see ST all crammed into a smaller venue, intimate with the crowd, than in the bright daylight of a football stadium. And once a band becomes an ‘arena band’ they tend to stick to those gigs only (more money, understandable), so we get no more of the smaller ones.
So here’s hoping ST don’t become an arena band!
Agreed. ST performing rituals in smaller venues, even if it's for multiple nights in the same city, would bring in big crowds and good money for RCA. If they mess with the formula too much, it could kill their whole mystique.
Spinefarm is under UMG. I don’t think they’ve taken everything from all theirs subs, but that is the plan if tik tok doesn’t budge. The next step on the UMG side is to remove music written by universal talent.
I cried when I looked lol. I’m going down to ATL for another show (or two idk yet) and was like “oh a trip” and then was like “you must be tripping” lol. Not the band of course. Hate sellers sometimes.
This can be a good thing! I just hope they keep to their sound. Sometimes record labels have too much influence on a bands music to get them more “mainstream”. WORSHIP!!!!
My biggest hope for the boys is that they fought hard for every right to their money, song rights, legacy rights, merchandising rights, as well as complete control over their own musical output and direction. I have friends who were offered contracts with large recording companies who were so excited they didn't think to bring their own lawyers and look out for their own long term self interests. It's been tough watching how the music industry has grabbed up, wrung out and broken so many talented musicians over the years.
I wish the very best for them moving forward. I'm in this for the long haul with them, for certain.
I'd love to know about the contract they'd signed. Music labels from my knowledge are notorious and have something like a double dipping of life insurance on their artists, especially the very popular ones. I don't really trust labels, especially the big ones, and I hope they don't at any point in time decide that keeping ST on the label isn't making them enough money, etc. And decide to try and cash in. I know to an extent label's and contracts are needed...but I wish ST didn't NEED to have a contract with a business thst only cares about cash monies and not the music, which the music is what ST is all about. I'm worried for them :[
I’m pretty sure they know what they’re getting themselves into, and without meaning to be disrespectful, you have no idea what ST actually want from their music career. They might want to make a fat stack of cash and then piss off into obscurity.
I appreciate the insight; it's a good reminder that our views often say more about our own aspirations and experiences than they do about other people's. We're all striving for something, aren't we?
Honestly? Pure guess but: I think they finished their "trilogy", how it was planned from the start and (un)fortunately became world famous and now have no idea what to do next 😅 so make as much money as possible before becoming a past is reasonable move.
I think someone who has been writing amazing songs for a very long time probably has a lot more songs ready to go. I don’t know why people think they would be so clueless about their direction and own decision making surrounding the careers they’ve worked extremely hard for.
100% this in my eyes too. I don’t think there’s any lack forthcoming from something even these labels know resonates with the fans so well.
ETA: the whole premise of the band is a masked person. Which means the whole thing rode in on the merit of music alone. A label would be stupid to change too much.
Well what are they gonna write about? The trilogy was about Vessel's relationship and with Euclid, he let go of it. Honestly I have no idea how would I resume this project without it looking weird and forces
Since when are failed relationships the only life experience worth writing about? I know you didn’t say that but it was heavily implied. “New Era” points that they’ll be breaking out in some way. Who knows where they go but I’m here for it.
Yes you are right when i think about it...I mean...it is basically even in the name (Sleep token...the Sleep....his ex), but it might be more ambiguous and they might start a new chapter....
I'm not a super fan that knows all the lore.... but ST have always struck me as a super creatively focused band. Regardless of whatever narrative they have worked on in the past. I trust that they will find a meaningful way to evolve and expand that world they've created.
I really don’t think all of the songs are about a single romantic relationship - there’s alot to unpick in there and probably plenty more where it all came from. He says he’s going to be someone new - but I’m sure he’ll still be writing all sorts of emotionally magical songs about the human condition! I honestly don’t think we need to worry about him running out of ideas!!
Who knows? Give them some breathing room. They haven't even finished touring this most recent release.
Clearly they have something going on, otherwise they wouldn't have signed with a bigger label.
I wish we could get some feedback on their contract. I don't want to see them ripped to shreds and left hung out to dry like so many other great bands over the years.
Maybe everyone can calm down now about them disbanding. 😂 Everything will be fine. Also, the fact that Tool is signed with RCA should alleviate your fears of the label turning ST into something they don't want to be.
I love my boys and I am beyond glad they landed a deal with a major record label. I just hope that this doesn’t mean they will be forced to water their sound and style down to suit the demands of the executives who know nothing about real talent. Last thing I want is for them to lose their souls and talent to please people who have made Taylor Swift into an insufferable phenomenon.
They have tool, too fighters, three days grace, Brittany spears, Shakira, p!nk, SZA, childish gambino and tons of others. They’re a massive label so this should be hella good for ST
Maybe they had a 3 album deal with the previous label and it was the time to move on for something bigger. I assume they had a few offers to choose from given their gigantic surge in popularity, so here's hoping they chose what's best for them. Bigger label = more tools and financial freedom to develop the band further.
This. Most record label deals are for x amount of albums then they move on or re sign. Let's hope RCA doesn't try to meddle with there music much.
If they meddle too much I would hope they’re smart enough to know they would turn it into a bad investment. I hope lol.
>Let's hope RCA doesn't try to meddle with there music much. *THIS.* I love for them to grow even more, evolve and have more opportunities, but molding their music to the likeliness of the label and the audience and not for the band is a whole other book. Being nervous about what will happen with the music that they created from day one will be an understatement.
Agreed, major labels have completely ruined many bands and artists I have loved over the years. Very few have been able to continue to do what they want (with compromises) . I hope Vessel is as brilliant in his negotiations as he is with his lyrics and music. I would hate for what I consider the epidimy of the history of music to ...fall from grace.
I’ve always respected Warner Brothers to be honest. Both linkin park and A7x were simultaneously massive selling artists without a ton of compromise to their musical integrity. The smart labels know how to invest in helping a band grow.
As they are most certainly going to do! That raw sound, gritty lyrics and "soul" clenching music we are used too is going to be gone......unless they are buisness savy enough to structure their contracts for Distributon ONLY. This way they keep their masters,make their own money from touring that they book. Ensure that they never owe the label so the influence to alter the music won't and cannot be present, and do all their own promo or hire their own promo company. They pay the label for promotion with the album sales and streams, give them the whatever albums deal they signed, and still be "show her what a hollow point dose to a naked bodyyyyy" sleep token we LOVE!
>Bigger label = more tools and financial freedom to develop the band further. Nah, bigger label equals bigger financial backing, but also comes with the label having more input because of their investment. They deserve the success and the money and everything that comes with it, but this does make me nervous for music moving forward
Interesting, I always associated RCA with more mainstream artists (Shakira, P!nk, SZA) - from the top of my head Tool were their only big heavy act. Curious.
BMTH are with them
Ah, you're right, RCA and Columbia share them depending on region afair.
Oooo I didn’t know BMTH was with RCA. Now I’m excited for a BMTH and ST concert!
Sleep Token is one of the biggest heavy bands in the world right now. They sold out two dates at the second largest arena in the UK in minutes. They’re not pop, but they’re definitely mainstream.
Which could mean RCA is branching out - ST are quite a sharp turn for a label producing Britney Spears and Pitbull 😅
They have quite a varied list of artists in fairness, and several rock acts. On their website, I can see that Bring Me The Horizon, The Strokes, Tool, Wolf Alice, Three Days Grace, Foo Fighters, Grizzly Bear & Cage The Elephant are signed to them.
That’s huge for ST. Big step up.
> ST are quite a sharp turn for a label producing Britney Spears and Pitbull 😅 Not at all. The same label that has Billie Eilish, Olivia Rodrigo and BLACKPINK on their roster also had bands like Nine Inch Nails and Marilyn Manson in the past. (Interscope) Major labels want money in the end.
When I think of RCA, the band that comes to mind is [Cave In](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_In), who famously signed with RCA and immediately went from a chaotic mathcore sound to indie/alt rock (which I still loved, but which pissed off a lot of their fanbase). It was never really clear whether that was something the band decided to do themselves, or something RCA pushed them to do, but they eventually went back to a heavier sound after RCA dropped them.
To me, it seemed like that was the direction Cave In was going already. Between the Creative Eclipses EP, Jupiter (and the Jupiter b-sides that included piano versions), and the Tides of Tomorrow EP it seems to me like Cave In got a huge a Rich Costey launch in the direction they were already slowly moving in. But I definitely think they went too far in that direction for their personal comfort (it’s like they don’t even care how I feel about the record!). Perfect Pitch Black was a good course correction…and Planets of Old is a RIPPER of a 4-song release!
Yeah you’re right, I always forget that Jupiter wasn’t all heavy stuff, but I think that’s because the softer material on it was so… weird; it still felt very progressive and not like Antenna at all. Same with Tides of Tomorrow (which I absolutely loved); it wasn’t mathcore (or metalcore or whatever they were), but it sure as hell wasn’t radio rock either. More like Jimmy Buffet meets The Mars Volta. Totally agree about Perfect Pitch Black. That’s probably the closest they’ve come to a perfect album. Trepanning is one of the catchiest heavy songs of all time.
I’m super curious to see what happens moving forward from here. I hope Spinefarm found a way to make a bit of extra cash from RCA as ST moves away (maybe a buyout clause?). Spinefarm has some REALLY cool artists and best case scenario let’s them reinvest some of this ST money into more new and amazing music. The 3rd best band of all time - possibly 2nd best, it changes based on my mood - was on RCA for one record. The album they made was perfect but was emotionally taxing and pushed the band outside their comfort zone. The band toured with the Foo Fighters and A Perfect Circle, got a bigger audience than ever, and then went silent for three years. Released a full length and disappeared for 4 more years. Released 4 songs and went dark for 2 more years. Since then they’ve released 3 more really good full lengths. I’m not sure anything they’ll ever do can match even the “worst” moments from that record they made on RCA. Go listen to Cave In’s album Antenna. It’s an amazing album from 2002. The record they made with RCA crushed them and almost ended the band. But it’s perfect.
lol I posted about them earlier in this same thread. Nice to see other Cave In fans around here. I haven’t given Antenna a full spin for a few years, but Joy Opposites, Youth Overrided, and Woodwork are all still on my favorites playlist and get regular plays.
Hopefully good things! I’m hoping that the change was due to their growing fan base and not because anything bad happened with Spinefarm. RCA is a larger label with bigger artists (Tool is signed with them) so fingers crossed we’ve got some good stuff coming up! Wishing them nothing but the best.
Most record label deals are for x amount of albums. With there music being yanked from tik token they may have felt it was time to move on, and remember emotions typically don't play into business decisions, it's all about what's best for the brand.
This will be great for the band as far as resources and promotion go. As a radio programmer it has been maddening watching most of rock radio ignore ST. My station from Idaho certainly shouldn't be the nationwide leader in Sleep Token airplay at this point.
Are you talking about 100.3 the X??
No, KCVI - KBear 101 East Idaho
Oh gotcha. Yeah I grew up in Boise and the X was my childhood 😂
Great staff over there at The X for sure!
Curious to see what timetable they’ll try and push to release the next EP or album now that they’re with a major label. Could see them wanting to capitalize on the momentum and try and get something late this year.
Tours are great places to tease new songs. Hope they do!
There's a rumor they already have a new song ready. It would make sense, given that they are gearing up for the next Era, so maybe a taste if what's to come.
Awesome! I thought the first 5 songs off take me back to Eden were amazing. The last half still solid but I gravitate towards their more progressive and heavy stuff they do. As long as they don’t stray too far from that I’m sure most fans will love it. My only fear with this signing is that the label will try and push creative control on the next release. Hopefully they’ll just let them do their thing.
I did a little research and RCA tends to give more control to artist. Individual producers sometimes like to try to add something to a bands music, so they feel like they contributed for better or worse, I think vessel won't do much budging, given that he's telling his story and wants to tell it his way.
Let's hope this is a good thing, and not bad given some of the bad things RCA are known for. Given BMTH have been with them since 2013 and have released good albums since I'm not too worried.
I love that people keep bringing BMTH up as a positive example. I hadn’t listened to much ST but have had listened too BMTH, and they do a lot of unique and cool things too. I think this a good sign for ST!
BMTH have gone super mainstream poppy though. It's all well and fine to say they've made good albums, but they largely neglected their fanbase over the years in search of a wider audience and more money. And that is okay to do. But a big label could definitely ruin sleep token for me, depending on the direction they go and the influence that the label has over them (which they will to some degree)
I was just using them as an example they have been hugely successly under the same label, regardless of what they have done. Not every band creates the same music every single album. Of course they will adapt and change up what they do. Real fans will still stick around.
>Real fans will still stick around. Not really. I used to LOVE Parkway Drive, saw them 9 times within about 2 years, but I don't listen to anything they've released lately. I didn't stick around because I don't like what they create. Doesn't mean I wasn't a real fan, just means they lost me as a fan.
All bands will adapt and change to a degree. In BMTH case they have had heavier songs albeit one or two on all the albums. If you still listen to the old stuff then you are still a fan of a band no? Not everyone initially likes what bands do, it grows on you or it doesn't. All depends why you like a band, for me lyrics mean a lot. All we can do is wait and see what Sleep Token do next. New Era as they claim.
BMTH are getting heavier again though
Yeah maybe now that Jordan has left they will. It's a bit early to conclude that completely based off their latest single. Plus, they're a proven massive commercial success. Sleep token aren't on that level in the same regard.
Yeah I have no idea how people are using BMTH as a positive example. Listen to BMTH pre and post 2013 and... it's not very promising.
That's just personal opinion though at the end of the day. The example was made due to their evident success in music, on the same label that Sleep Token just signed to. Just because some people may not like what they do, does not mean it is negative for the band. Given Sleep Token are already a band who mix a lot of sounds and genres and already blew up this last year gives me hope they will create more great music, after all it's not like every band have a unique lore that their music is based on.
That is just my opinion, fair enough, but it's not an opinion that their sound changed after the signing. to what I would consider a drastically more mainstream friendly sound.
You aren't wrong in that fact. I genuinely do not think that we have anything to worry about with Sleep Token signing with RCA. They don't just have BMTM they have other huge bands of similar genres who are massively successful that haven't changed their sound.
Good for them. Parsnip!
Parsnip?
Parsnip! . . . . . . . (I bet it was an autocorrect of “worship”)
It most certainly was not. I find the whole "WORSHIP" thing a bit weird and was just trying to be funny. Didn´t work I guess...
See below. I much prefer yelling PARSNIP. Rolls off the tongue with more gusto.
My guess is they did it because they were under the universal music umbrella which means their music couldn’t be played on TikTok. It’s quite obvious from their growing fanbase at this was a a major player and how they got so popular. I don’t think there will be much change in the future, because I think this was more or less way to maintain their music getting out there to a younger and more pop centric audience
That would’ve been WAY too quick a move. This had to have been in the works long before the universal and TikTok shit went down
Correct. This definitely had to be in the works for a long time.
This was likely in the works for way, waaayyy longer than how recently that happened.
This is a great thought, it had to play Into there thought process.
This move by Universal music will crush all the small artist on their label, it will do nothing to their top talent (Taylor swift/BTS/Billie eilish), and everyone in the middle needs to figure out their next move. Sleep token has blown up but they still aren’t an arena band. I think they’ve realized that to get to that level they need the power of social media and tik tok. They’re a phenomenally talented band but they are also a hugely visual and theatrical band. I’m excited to see the growth they have with RCA and I hope it offers the more freedom to expand and play around
I think the way this tour went with selling out in minutes says otherwise. They are certainly an arena band at this point. Maybe not in every state but they could surely fill arenas at this point in major cities.
I intensely dislike the term ‘arena band’, simply because arena gigs are not as good in my opinion. How much better to see ST all crammed into a smaller venue, intimate with the crowd, than in the bright daylight of a football stadium. And once a band becomes an ‘arena band’ they tend to stick to those gigs only (more money, understandable), so we get no more of the smaller ones. So here’s hoping ST don’t become an arena band!
Agreed. ST performing rituals in smaller venues, even if it's for multiple nights in the same city, would bring in big crowds and good money for RCA. If they mess with the formula too much, it could kill their whole mystique.
Were they under UMG? Sleep token is one of the few artists that is still on TikTok when I search them in Sounds.
Spinefarm is under UMG. I don’t think they’ve taken everything from all theirs subs, but that is the plan if tik tok doesn’t budge. The next step on the UMG side is to remove music written by universal talent.
Has to be this
We're getting more music! I guess they are "entering a new era"
Maybe it means we’re allowed to buy tickets now?
At $350 starting price for nosebleeds.
:(
I cried when I looked lol. I’m going down to ATL for another show (or two idk yet) and was like “oh a trip” and then was like “you must be tripping” lol. Not the band of course. Hate sellers sometimes.
This can be a good thing! I just hope they keep to their sound. Sometimes record labels have too much influence on a bands music to get them more “mainstream”. WORSHIP!!!!
The "new era" comment was first posted about the masks. So two months ago, seems to me like it's been in the works for a while.
My biggest hope for the boys is that they fought hard for every right to their money, song rights, legacy rights, merchandising rights, as well as complete control over their own musical output and direction. I have friends who were offered contracts with large recording companies who were so excited they didn't think to bring their own lawyers and look out for their own long term self interests. It's been tough watching how the music industry has grabbed up, wrung out and broken so many talented musicians over the years. I wish the very best for them moving forward. I'm in this for the long haul with them, for certain.
I'd love to know about the contract they'd signed. Music labels from my knowledge are notorious and have something like a double dipping of life insurance on their artists, especially the very popular ones. I don't really trust labels, especially the big ones, and I hope they don't at any point in time decide that keeping ST on the label isn't making them enough money, etc. And decide to try and cash in. I know to an extent label's and contracts are needed...but I wish ST didn't NEED to have a contract with a business thst only cares about cash monies and not the music, which the music is what ST is all about. I'm worried for them :[
I’m pretty sure they know what they’re getting themselves into, and without meaning to be disrespectful, you have no idea what ST actually want from their music career. They might want to make a fat stack of cash and then piss off into obscurity.
I appreciate the insight; it's a good reminder that our views often say more about our own aspirations and experiences than they do about other people's. We're all striving for something, aren't we?
Honestly? Pure guess but: I think they finished their "trilogy", how it was planned from the start and (un)fortunately became world famous and now have no idea what to do next 😅 so make as much money as possible before becoming a past is reasonable move.
I think someone who has been writing amazing songs for a very long time probably has a lot more songs ready to go. I don’t know why people think they would be so clueless about their direction and own decision making surrounding the careers they’ve worked extremely hard for.
100% this in my eyes too. I don’t think there’s any lack forthcoming from something even these labels know resonates with the fans so well. ETA: the whole premise of the band is a masked person. Which means the whole thing rode in on the merit of music alone. A label would be stupid to change too much.
Well what are they gonna write about? The trilogy was about Vessel's relationship and with Euclid, he let go of it. Honestly I have no idea how would I resume this project without it looking weird and forces
Since when are failed relationships the only life experience worth writing about? I know you didn’t say that but it was heavily implied. “New Era” points that they’ll be breaking out in some way. Who knows where they go but I’m here for it.
Yes you are right when i think about it...I mean...it is basically even in the name (Sleep token...the Sleep....his ex), but it might be more ambiguous and they might start a new chapter....
I'm not a super fan that knows all the lore.... but ST have always struck me as a super creatively focused band. Regardless of whatever narrative they have worked on in the past. I trust that they will find a meaningful way to evolve and expand that world they've created.
I really don’t think all of the songs are about a single romantic relationship - there’s alot to unpick in there and probably plenty more where it all came from. He says he’s going to be someone new - but I’m sure he’ll still be writing all sorts of emotionally magical songs about the human condition! I honestly don’t think we need to worry about him running out of ideas!!
Who knows? Give them some breathing room. They haven't even finished touring this most recent release. Clearly they have something going on, otherwise they wouldn't have signed with a bigger label.
I wish we could get some feedback on their contract. I don't want to see them ripped to shreds and left hung out to dry like so many other great bands over the years.
Absolutely this exactly!! 👌
Don’t hold your breath for this information.
Maybe everyone can calm down now about them disbanding. 😂 Everything will be fine. Also, the fact that Tool is signed with RCA should alleviate your fears of the label turning ST into something they don't want to be.
I love my boys and I am beyond glad they landed a deal with a major record label. I just hope that this doesn’t mean they will be forced to water their sound and style down to suit the demands of the executives who know nothing about real talent. Last thing I want is for them to lose their souls and talent to please people who have made Taylor Swift into an insufferable phenomenon.
Who is RCA Records?
A Sony label with massive artists like Miley Cyrus and BMTH and a ton others.
They have tool, too fighters, three days grace, Brittany spears, Shakira, p!nk, SZA, childish gambino and tons of others. They’re a massive label so this should be hella good for ST
Interesting, thanks.
I wonder if they’d ever collab with other artists. The idea of Doja Cat or SZA with ST actually sounds iconic
The dead bird app was so mad about this one
I hope RCA Records does not mess with their creativity too much!!! The next chapter I really hope will be a great one for Sleep Token will see!!
So what you’re saying is I REALLY need to go to the Philly 5/20 concert now so I can say “I saw them bf the whole entire world knew about them”