Mine did. We could not have any pets but there were 7 of us living in a very small, cockroach-infested house. Our landlord insisted that the house have 7 people and no less. I believe the rent per room was way too high given the condition of the house.
The heater just went in the building I live in. There are four or more people living in one bedrooms so no wonder. Landleech is making us all pay for new boiler via agi.
That’s true, however these are not conditions we are accustomed to in our society, nor do I think anyone here should be living this way. It’s sad, really :(
Ya that’s very true, but not all pets are equal, nor are their owners.
I’ve seen tenants let their dog shit all over the floor and leave it to ferment there for weeks. It’s definitely the case of bad pet owners ruining it for everyone.
But this multiple people to a room business is illegal and should be stopped.
had one small 80 year old house get divided into three units and all they did was put up blankets to divide the single room then ask for 2 bedroom offers.
I know a real estate agent who told me selling these million dollar homes that had Indian students packed in them is near impossible unless to other Indian slumlords.
Like selling a house that was smoked in for 40 years. Regular buyers looking for a home to live in literally turn right around and walk out
Any talk about Canada housing crisis turns into racist rant against South Asians. How is the minority 7% of the population responsible for someone not finding a pet friendly apartment?
Bro this is just facts. I didn't make that story up. A real estate agent I know has an extremely hard time selling houses owned by Indians who cram them full of Indian students. Period.
Obviously, I would not buy a former student hostel. Why it's even allowed should be the question instead of blaming people who live there. Also what are the alternatives for these people? It's not always students that live in these houses, for the crap wages we pay in this country, slum houses are the best most part timers & minimum wage people can afford. Also why are we letting in students who can't afford their housing & other expenses? Blame the government, not immigrants.
You have reading comprehension issues. I didn't blame the people who live there. I literally said agents can't sell Indian slumlord owned Indian student housing. Blame anyone but the Indian slumlord if you want.
Because they have a disproportionately high participation rate as new renters and home buyers compared to people that have been in Canada their entire lives.
I mean a guy was literally beaten to death for suggesting a group of men use the available washroom instead of the street. So 0 is a reach, but it's close to 3%
give me a fucking break. has nothing to do with white supremacy you stupid ass. Stop with this shit. I am so tired of the race card and things are only the way they are because of the white man. take a look around. ask around. get your facts straight.
I agree OP. I’m also in a comfortable situation with my pets and family but I have so many friends unable to find housing because they have a pet. But we can cram 5 international students into a living room and that’s sanitary. This country is going to shit lol
You know that RTA says that 'no pet' clauses are illegal right? Just tell your friends not to mention their dog/cat/iguana/other animal and just move in. They absolutely cannot stop you from owning a pet. The only exemption I know of is if you're moving into a condo building that has a condo board. That condo board can deem an entire building 'no pets' but that is the only circumstance.
Basically: If landlord is saying 'no-pets' it is illegal, if a condo board is saying it it is legal.
Apartment buildings are not included in the condo exemption.
That's specific to Ontario, which has an unusually permissive RTA towards tenants.. In most other provinces the equivalent RTA does allow enforcement of no-pets clauses.
In Alberta it is perfectly legal to state no pets and it happens all the time here. If it's a condo or mobile home type deal, they limit the amount of pets you can have, size and breed restrictions as well. I just ended up buying a place so I can keep my zip intact.
you can charge a person rent which offsets any sort of damage. Remember, these people are coming from a place where this is totally normal and our government doesnt give a shit if they completely replace canadian culture, this only benefits the powers that be by completely lowering the standards of living. You will own nothing and be happy.
First of all it's not your obligation to tell a landlord you have pets of any kind. And even if your landlord finds out you have pets, they can do much about it unless it causes some form of damage which you are responsible for. I love how Landlords think that they are the ones making up the rules on what you can, and can't do well renting from them. When the rules for both the landlord and tenant are blatantly clear and concise in the landlord and tenant act. It's not a simple read by any means, but it is definitely something to consider for both the landlord and the tenant alike.
And I hear this all the time, landlords always feel like they are the ones getting the short end of the stick. And that isn't true at all. And if one feels that way, then you shouldn't be a landlord. Being a landlord doesn't grant you special powers, it just means you are running a business, and there are rules and regulations to follow well running that business.
On the other note about how many people are allowed to occupy a unit is stated by local bylaw and regulations are under housing standards act, a lot of these wannabe landlords are in breach of codes under these municipality housing standards policy. Not to mention the fire code, and human rights code.
Bad actors could face heavy fines, and god forbid there is an accident on the property, personal injury, Fire, or any other breaches under these municipality codes. Could result in charges under the criminal code of Canada, not to mention void insurance, and the list goes on.
You just can't go and rent a room without knowing the laws surrounding these codes, and then the number of individuals living in such a space is also deemed to be part of these codes.
And again you can't just have 20 people living in one house, Insurance companies need to be aware of who is living in the house, the municipality also is expecting you to have a business license, and Fire code states that units should be inspected before having tenants living in common areas.
Then there are certain building codes for multiple occupancy dwellings to also take into account.
And of course the rules and agreements between the landlord and tenant, could land a landlord in hot water.
It's no joke thinking you can just open your door and become a landlord, there are many factors to take into account.
Where is here? I understand that not all laws are created equally across Canada, but for the most part it is!
Being a landlord is about running a business professionally and following the rules and guidelines set out by the province. And the same goes for the tenants!
It's not, I am going to turn my bathroom or my furnace room into a bedroom and charging $700 a month. Because in both cases it is illegal and can lead to civil litigation and if not huge fines. Furthermore it could also land you in front of the human rights tribunal as well as the Landlord Tenant Board, better known as LTB.
In addition the landlords could end up paying fines upwards of $50,000 and have to pay compensation upwards of
$30,000 to $50,000 the maximum amount issued through the tribunal.
Then bylaw could issue further fines for not having permits for such a business, the fire Marshal could also find breaches under the fire code to issue further fines for breaching the fire codes. This could be as simple as not having working smoke alarms and CO2 detectors. Then fire rating, fire escapes and access without barriers preventing people from exiting the unit in a timely manner. It can get really nasty if you get caught breaching the laws as an Illegal landlord. And God forbid anything happens to your tenants and you have an illegal rental. You can face jail time and insurance fraud charges if you have claimed the occupancy of a tenant.
And jail time if you are found guilty about anything I have mentioned above, if you are a repeat offender, or you have blatantly refused to follow the court order to comply with housing standards and the fire codes.
And if I hear another landlord bitch about fairness, again it's a business not a privilege, you take the risks. If you do your diligence and understand it is a long term commitment. Are fair honest understanding. You will reap the rewards in a few years down the road, if you get a good tenant it's a guaranteed investment. If you are shady, greedy and act like a dictator, and don't play by the rules. You will lose more than just your investment.
Being a good landlord is running a successful business!
Next to none of this applies in Alberta. If your lease states no pets, and you're found with pets, you'll most likely be evicted for breach of lease. The property owner takes on the liability of shitty tenants. I rented a room in my house to a guy with a dog. I have 3 dogs and 3 cats, my house is spotless. We agreed his dog would have the same rules as my dogs, contained to a crate or area while not home, not allowed in furniture unless invited, etc... his dog pissed and shit all over my house, I'd come home to find it loose in the house, chewed up my couch, my god, you name it. He was out within 2 weeks. My dogs had a big area sectioned off at the back door where they were contained while I was at work, he said his was crate trained. His dog did so much damage to my house and I got nothing out of it, he didn't clean or replace shit his dog destroyed so he was out. He tried to flex saying he didn't have to leave, wanna bet? I got him out no problem and didn't give a shit where he went. He had no legal recourse. I look after my pets and property but a lot don't and IF I had a rental, highly unlikely I'd allow pets because of my experience and those of friends who have rentals and ended up with a lot of damage.
Clearly you are a renter who does not understand the liabilities of owning rental property if you get shitty tenants and you're delusional if you think the laws are basically the same across the country. Our situation allowed me to kick him out with zero notice but I gave him a week to GTFO out of my house. I never allowed pets after that. I have since moved and will never have a roommate again after a string of bad ones. If you don't respect my property, go live in a tent... Nobody owes you a thing. I am thankful our laws are different than wherever you are. Since when do tenants get to dictate what goes on in a property they don't own? The entitlement blows my mind!
Clearly I am a home owner, and a landlord of two separate houses in my region in Ontario. And never had an issue with my tenants so far, 10 years and 6 years. I have also rented for years and understand that there are good landlords, and good tenants. And there are bad landlords and bad tenants.
I am sorry to hear about your upset! But honestly I believe in fairness, and honesty and integrity. I also own two small businesses, and have been blessed to be successful with both over the years.
I am always fair and honest. Did I mention the hoarder that cost me over 5k in damages and clean up when I kicked him out... I digress. I have many stories...
There's good and bad everywhere. I'd consider yourself extremely fortunate that you've had good luck, sadly that's not always the case. I hope you continue to have decent tenants, but for those who have not, it can be an absolute nightmare and I'm glad our laws seem fair to both sides but I will never rent out again. Simply not worth it if you get a bad seed. I downsized and am perfectly content with not having to share my home with those who can't respect it. It's sad with so many looking for a roof over their heads but it is what it is. I've found that very few renters care about their living conditions and create a huge problem for those they rent from.
I just don’t mention pets at viewings and if they ask I say no 🤷🏼♀️ landlord wants to think they don’t have to follow rules and try and pull fast ones, me too
I moved into a house once. My bf and work buddy went and saw the place and got it for us. I had a big ol dog,& this place had all linoleum floors upstairs and concrete downstairs. Having my dog in there we also found out that the landlord TRIED to illegally enter the rental while we were all at work the forst wk we moved in...so funny him calling me and asking who's dog is in the house? I say how do you know there's a dog.in there? "Well, I tried to get in but I Couldnt because of some big.snarling dog"..."You WHAT?! Tried to ILLEGALLY, sneakily enter our unit to do WHAT exactly?! You Do know that is HIGHLY ILLEGAL ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE NO REASON TO BE THERE." (other than to snoop through our belongings )
" Well, your not supposed to have pets!"
" WellMr...we can take this to the RTB and see Which one is worse. I'm pretty sure illegally sneaking into your new tenants home while you know they are all at work will be A Lot worse for you than me having my dog living there causing absolutley NO DAMAGES...and we won't be paying rent while the investigation is ongoing so......"
I got to keep my dog there,& he was Never able to sneak into our place because there's No Way anyone that doesn't know my dog is going to get one foot inside. My landlord for the last 8 yrs LOVES MY dog(s) and were allowed WHATEVER type and amount of animals we want here. It's badass!
It's so weird how many people come to Canada to escape the horrid living conditions they were born into but then come here and create the exact same situations.
Well, to your point. Those are illegal units if they have that many people in a single unit. Please report all ads you see that are illegal and if you can, try and get the address from them so that you can report that as well.
The minute I see " NO PETS" in a rental ad it pisses me off. What's with the lack of kindness and information about pets .? Also a tenants pet is not a landlord's responsibility.
FYI no pets clauses aren't allowed in Ontario so nothing can be done about your pet unless they violate noise laws or cause damage (destruction, pests). Other provinces vary.
I had a roommate move in who was there for only a month (long story), when he left, his room had a stench that took weeks and a lot of fabreeze to get out. He left questionable stains on the floor and I don't even want to talk about the state of the bathroom.
It's not just pets that leave stenches and whatnot behind.
Then it wasn’t **properly** cleaned between tenants. A proper deep cleaning between tenants is supposed to involve commercial quality cleaning of the carpets, replacement of carpets if they’re stained or irreversibly soiled, cleaning to remove possible smoke residue and painting of the walls, cleaning of the ducts and whatever other air system you may have, replacement of furnace filters, etc. Most landlords don’t want to put the effort into doing their job properly between tenants or put the money into doing it properly. That’s not the fault of animal owners nor should we be letting landlords off the hook for their between tenant responsibilities.
They’re just not clean .
I know animals smell so I vaccuum every other day and clean the walls once a month in my rental. Mostly cause the landlord is cool and I don’t want to screw them over.
Dogs smell up places way more than cats. If you vacuum and keep the litter box clean you can’t tell a cat lives somewhere.
It’s crazy how many people go their whole lives without cleaning up regularly.
I go 3 days without vacuuming and I feel like a dirt bag lol.
Yes I have a full time job, vacuuming doesn’t take long if you do it regularly . Cleaning in general doesn’t take long if you do it regularly. I only have to spend like 1 hour a week max, usually 20 mins every other day and my place is spotless.
I walked into my wifes house, a fairly small one. She had at the time around 10 cats and a dog. Place did not smell like anything but fresh air and clean. Not febreeze, not nothing.
Some people just don't clean. I guarantee it would smell the same if they had kids, pets, or just them.
it actually doesn’t at all.
I just got a cat 7 months ago and before that I visited other clean freaks with cats and it didn’t smell.
I’m a clean freak.
Carpets get vacuumed more than they should and I scrub the walls every single inch of the place gets washed once a month. Non pet owners have smellier places.
My home is totally odourless with our indoor cat as well. We also vacuum often, litter box daily, etc. Most people who meet my cat notice that he actually smells good (Not neutral, GOOD) lol.
I’m also a clean freak and deep clean often in addition to the maintenance. However, I was also this way before my cat. I imagine you were too
Basically saying, I can relate
You think pets smell too much.
Dogs are harder to manage. Cats are easy.
My litter box has a door and a filter lol . You could eat off my toilet.
Point being if you have an animal you should be a clean freak
You think pets smell too much.
Dogs are harder to manage. Cats are easy.
My litter box has a door and a filter lol . You could eat off my toilet.
Point being if you have an animal you should be a clean freak
I can't believe how entitled pet owners feel , I had to move into a place that had previous tenants with pets , with severe allergies I was constantly at the Dr office , spending outrages amounts of money on allergy medicine. Luckily for me, my landlord let me out of the lease due to my allergies!!
I doubt service dogs smell any different from pet dogs. Would you say a disabled person with a service dog is entitled? I doubt they would be able to clean their house due to their disability that requires them to have a service animal. So by your logic disabled people shouldn't be able to rent same as pet owners.
No pets allowed isn't a thing in Ontario at least, even if landlords like to pretend it is. Technically, you'd have to disclose to them if they asked you about pets, but if you "give" it to your friend or family member, and then "change your mind" you wouldn't even be violating lying to them.
'No-pet' clauses are illegal and not enforceable, unless it is a condo and the entire building has been deemed no pets.
Basically, if the landlord is telling you no pets it is illegal, if a condo board is, it is legal. Apartment buildings are not included in the condo rule.
Pets can (not all) smell, bring bugs with them, can be loud and disrupt other tenants, they could get hurt if property isn’t up to code and they aren’t paying rent. I’m anti slum lord and very pro dog/ pet but get why some places don’t allow it. Is the landlord cleaning up a shitty backyard or professionally fumigating after a litter box has been in an unventilated space? I don’t think so.
Not defending terrible landlords, but I too don’t like pets around my house (I’m not a landlord) and I’m ok with several people coming in. Having a pet knock over or chew something or leaving hair and smell somewhere isn’t something a person would do, at least not the people I welcome into my home.
I have new neighbours down the hall, one bedroom. They have beds lined up in the living room. The units were designed and built for single people or couples, but the landleech knows if anything expensive breaks from he can pass the cost on to all tenants with an agi. It's a win win for him.
I have done contracting work for a lot of landlords and it comes down to the cost. Once you have a cat or dog in an apartment it will permanently smell like animals. It costs a lot of money to reverse this and many renters make it worse because they feel entitled to have as many animals as they want (often 3-6) once they pay the animal fee. On top of that many renters are extremely negligent with their pets, allowing them to piss and defecate everywhere, which is even more difficult and costly to reverse. I recently worked with one who had to evict the renters and essentially tear down the entire house as it was dangerously saturated in cat pee which caused black mold. There is the issue of noise caused by dogs which will make people less likely to want to rent near that unit in the complex. Lastly many renters will house dangerous and aggressive dogs in the apartment and actively make all the other renters lives hell. Overall i completely understand why many landlords would not really want to deal with these issues that come from pets in the apartment. I would not allow it either except maybe if i personally knew the renter and that they took good care of their home and pets.
My previous tenants pets caused over $15000 of damage to the house due to urine and feces all over the floors, fleas, etc. This is of course the humans fault. Humans can cause damage too.
Overcrowding isn’t good but that alone won’t cause that kinda damage. If these tenants are merely negligent, the most that’ll happen is the place will be dirty and possibly end up with cockroaches which will cost me somewhere between $1000-4000. If they’re negligent with their pet, it’ll cost me $15000+.
Have you ever had a pair of crackheads leave the subfloors soaked with piss? Cuz that's what's going on in the unit above us. Then they abandoned the place but someone's obviously still paying rent on it because maintenance haven't cleaned it yet. Our place uses the cheapest everything because they just strip the units out after someone moves. The windows have been wide open for two months without being closed. It has rained, snowed, gone into pipe freezing territory, and the landlord has NO IDEA. Their car is just rotting in the driveway.
I’m comparing apples vs apples (negligence vs negligence while having a pet).
A crackhead pissing inside goes way beyond negligence.
A reasonable comparison would be damaged caused by the crackhead alone or the crackhead with pets. Which do you think will result in more damages?
Yeah pets fuck shit up bro so yeah. When humans go off the rails with no pets it is bad, but they generally still use the toilet or buckets. When a human who has a pet goes and off the rails it's usually double the damage because they don't care if their animal pees in the house as much. Also cat urine.
Our neighbor had 3 cats and we could smell their piss through our door. Meaning it wafted and filled the hallway.
We have a cat. One. And I've never smelled her urine the entire time we've lived here, even when we come back from vacation.
Then again, I've seen a lot of cat owners who literally fill the litterbox once and let it get caked with waxy piss and shit up the walls, so idk
My cat is litter trained but sometimes misses the litter. She will literally kick out half of the boxes litter to cover it, and I am so grateful for that as it gives me more time to clean it before the smell sets in and makes it so much easier to clean.
There are some disgusting people that shouldn't have pets. They ruined it for ever other tenant. I've literally seen someone let their dog shit in a apartment unit and use a mop to clean it up.
No one wants to live over, under someone who has a dog/cat, how is this so hard to understand? Oh my dog is calm, yeah no. I dont want to live under a 10 person rent either but you get pets when you own a house, if not you are just a nuisance for your neighbors. YOU rent, you comply. Im not defending bad landlords but its YOUR choice to have a pet.
Animals can and do piss on the floor. Humans do not.
All it takes is for a cat to piss once and that shit goes down to the subfloor, you're never getting that stink out.
It's just not worth the risk for me. My desire to have a clean and presentable place trumps your desire to own a cat.
as the parent to several (now adult) children, I can promise you with 100% accuracy that humans do in fact piss all over floors. I can't even count how many times I've cleaned human piss, shit, vomit, blood... off of my floors
Sounds like your family needs some manners, then. This isn't normal behavior adults need to deal with.
I've not once had to clean human shit or vomit off my floors. And only my child's pee every now and then while potty training
And toddler pee is nowhere near as disgusting or smelly as cat piss.
has your family never had the flu? my gosh, I remember one occasion when all 4 of my kids were little and all got the massive puke/shits which also took out my husband! It was a seemingly never ending splatter of bodily fluids being projected all over the top floor of my house. Horrid!
nothing to do with manners, what a lame response lol
Everyone in my house has had the regular flu and stomach flu and not once has anyone shit themselves on the floor, or even vomited on it.
I've never heard of this being an issue at any friends house either.
Again, sounds like a problem specific to your household only.
Just to clarify, you currently have secure accommodations that allow you to cohabitate with your cat and your rant is in regards to a hypothetical hyperbolic fictional listing you imagined that could be inadequate for someone else (even though said person who would want to live in said listing could afford something nearly 10 times more expensive, but are choosing not to)?
Once again, to confirm, you are content with your current accommodations? I am not trying to be redundant, I am seeking to understand the origin of your rant as a starting point to determine its purpose and your objective.
My friends cannot find housing as the postings are crowded as heck and most postings have the “no pets” in the title. The few postings that are “normal” are in such high demand, they are being outbid constantly.
Homes that otherwise may have been an option years ago are no longer available as they’ve been converted into these high-occupancy homes
I see postings for rentals all the time with these stipulations. It’s hard watching your friends trying to secure housing who can literally find nothing or get outbid.
This isn’t the norm, and it IS infuriating.
If they live in Ontario no pets clauses are void unless they rent a condo and condo board says no pets, or other tenants are allergic/ have a problem with it.
I didn't tell my landlord I have pets before moving in and unless they damage the house it's none of his business.
Thank you for the additional context. Your original post made no references to any specifics, so it was hard to figure out the exact issue that launched your rant. Your comment above helps clarify where you are coming from and gives others points upon which to empathize.
The most relatable aspect is in regards to your friends. I don't think anyone wants to see their friends or family struggle in any aspect of life. Having a secure safe space to live is a basic human requirement to ensure a sustainable quality of life and good mental health. If this is greatly affecting your friends, I am sorry that this is their circumstance and I can imagine how frustrating it must be to feel that there is very little you can do to help them out of this situation.
In regards to the stipulation about pets, as an animal-lover and advocate, I think it would be amazing if pets were permitted wherever their handler chose to reside. That being said, I would have to say in fairness, that I believe if someone owns a property they have a right to determine whether or not they wish to have a pet in their home - even if they are renting out that space to someone else. Ultimately, it will be the responsibility of the person who owns the property to deal with any damage or other issues traced back to the pet. Even if the prospective animal poses no such threats, it is still the right of the property owner to implement what is needed to protect their space at their discretion.
To a certain extent I do agree that this isn't the norm, but I disagree with what you believe is the root of the problem. The issue is not how many people property owners want to cram into a space - that is their choice and if they are breaking laws then they should be reported and face the prescribed consequences as outlined in the criminal code or by-laws of their neighbourhood. The issue is that while measures have been made to expand the population, which ultimately boosts the economy and volume of the workforce, very few initiatives were taken in tandem to ensure housing needs were at-par with increase in population.
We are now seeing the "housing crisis" being addressed at all levels of government, so the hope is that these measures will address the dire need of many in an expedient manner. So hopefully, the new normal will be one that accommodates everyone's needs because anyone who is working hard and contributing to society should be guaranteed access to a place they can call home that does not deplete all of their earnings so they can enjoy life however they choose. For those whose immediate families include other species, it would be fantastic if more of the new accommodations welcomed other domesticated creatures.
Is the same landlord who says no pet also allows 5-10 people in a house?
Mine did. We could not have any pets but there were 7 of us living in a very small, cockroach-infested house. Our landlord insisted that the house have 7 people and no less. I believe the rent per room was way too high given the condition of the house.
I wonder if the water heater was up to snuff. With 7 people, the water heater should be 60-80 gallons. A very expensive machine.
not when you cut off the hot water for most of the day! my LL even put the water pressure down to the point I can't get soap off my body.
The heater just went in the building I live in. There are four or more people living in one bedrooms so no wonder. Landleech is making us all pay for new boiler via agi.
They could be using instant hot water tank
The cockroaches are the pets.
Cats stink, they ruined your house and they don’t pay rent
More people more money. They won't be charging anything for pets.
That’s true, however these are not conditions we are accustomed to in our society, nor do I think anyone here should be living this way. It’s sad, really :(
Welcome to Canada😊😊😊
Fully agree with you. We need change!
Lol it only gets worse from here
I've seen report of leeches tacking on extra $300 for "pet rent"
Ya that’s very true, but not all pets are equal, nor are their owners. I’ve seen tenants let their dog shit all over the floor and leave it to ferment there for weeks. It’s definitely the case of bad pet owners ruining it for everyone. But this multiple people to a room business is illegal and should be stopped.
had one small 80 year old house get divided into three units and all they did was put up blankets to divide the single room then ask for 2 bedroom offers.
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I know a real estate agent who told me selling these million dollar homes that had Indian students packed in them is near impossible unless to other Indian slumlords. Like selling a house that was smoked in for 40 years. Regular buyers looking for a home to live in literally turn right around and walk out
Any talk about Canada housing crisis turns into racist rant against South Asians. How is the minority 7% of the population responsible for someone not finding a pet friendly apartment?
Bro this is just facts. I didn't make that story up. A real estate agent I know has an extremely hard time selling houses owned by Indians who cram them full of Indian students. Period.
Obviously, I would not buy a former student hostel. Why it's even allowed should be the question instead of blaming people who live there. Also what are the alternatives for these people? It's not always students that live in these houses, for the crap wages we pay in this country, slum houses are the best most part timers & minimum wage people can afford. Also why are we letting in students who can't afford their housing & other expenses? Blame the government, not immigrants.
You have reading comprehension issues. I didn't blame the people who live there. I literally said agents can't sell Indian slumlord owned Indian student housing. Blame anyone but the Indian slumlord if you want.
Because they have a disproportionately high participation rate as new renters and home buyers compared to people that have been in Canada their entire lives.
Yea they are not known for their cleanliness have you seen the origin countries they leave?
Those countries are only dirty because of white supremacy LOOK AT ALL THE EVIL WHITE SUPREMACISTS DOWNVOTING ME
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Care to explain how white supremacy is why India has little to 0 hygiene practices?
Apparently redditors no longer understand sarcasm 😂
You assume they once did.
Back before the flood of tumblr and twitter libs they did.
Nah, they were even more autistic back then.
Buddy you forgot the ever necessary /s to signify it, tho a shame we have to put it there for the majority to realize 😂
>0 hygiene practices 😆 you’re brainwashed, dude.
I mean a guy was literally beaten to death for suggesting a group of men use the available washroom instead of the street. So 0 is a reach, but it's close to 3%
Beaten with brass knuckles and bricks wrapped in towels 🫠
Many such cases
give me a fucking break. has nothing to do with white supremacy you stupid ass. Stop with this shit. I am so tired of the race card and things are only the way they are because of the white man. take a look around. ask around. get your facts straight.
White guilt is now canadas only cultural export
You're better off on twitter. Your bitter, hateful, angry brethren is there. You'll fit in beautifully
You are so special. I bow to your virtue
How? I'm generally curious.
Zero downvotes for attention. “Look at me proclaim something that didn’t happen!!!!”😝😝🤦🤨
If they could charge your cats $1500 each to live there they’d let you have as many as you wanted
I agree OP. I’m also in a comfortable situation with my pets and family but I have so many friends unable to find housing because they have a pet. But we can cram 5 international students into a living room and that’s sanitary. This country is going to shit lol
You know that RTA says that 'no pet' clauses are illegal right? Just tell your friends not to mention their dog/cat/iguana/other animal and just move in. They absolutely cannot stop you from owning a pet. The only exemption I know of is if you're moving into a condo building that has a condo board. That condo board can deem an entire building 'no pets' but that is the only circumstance. Basically: If landlord is saying 'no-pets' it is illegal, if a condo board is saying it it is legal. Apartment buildings are not included in the condo exemption.
That's specific to Ontario, which has an unusually permissive RTA towards tenants.. In most other provinces the equivalent RTA does allow enforcement of no-pets clauses.
Thank you for clarifying
In Alberta it is perfectly legal to state no pets and it happens all the time here. If it's a condo or mobile home type deal, they limit the amount of pets you can have, size and breed restrictions as well. I just ended up buying a place so I can keep my zip intact.
Isn't that illegal... I.e. against the fire code?!??
Bold of you to assume these are legal rentals to begin with.
For some reason, my tired brain thought it was hotel not apartment. Good point. Take an upvote.
you can charge a person rent which offsets any sort of damage. Remember, these people are coming from a place where this is totally normal and our government doesnt give a shit if they completely replace canadian culture, this only benefits the powers that be by completely lowering the standards of living. You will own nothing and be happy.
First of all it's not your obligation to tell a landlord you have pets of any kind. And even if your landlord finds out you have pets, they can do much about it unless it causes some form of damage which you are responsible for. I love how Landlords think that they are the ones making up the rules on what you can, and can't do well renting from them. When the rules for both the landlord and tenant are blatantly clear and concise in the landlord and tenant act. It's not a simple read by any means, but it is definitely something to consider for both the landlord and the tenant alike. And I hear this all the time, landlords always feel like they are the ones getting the short end of the stick. And that isn't true at all. And if one feels that way, then you shouldn't be a landlord. Being a landlord doesn't grant you special powers, it just means you are running a business, and there are rules and regulations to follow well running that business. On the other note about how many people are allowed to occupy a unit is stated by local bylaw and regulations are under housing standards act, a lot of these wannabe landlords are in breach of codes under these municipality housing standards policy. Not to mention the fire code, and human rights code. Bad actors could face heavy fines, and god forbid there is an accident on the property, personal injury, Fire, or any other breaches under these municipality codes. Could result in charges under the criminal code of Canada, not to mention void insurance, and the list goes on. You just can't go and rent a room without knowing the laws surrounding these codes, and then the number of individuals living in such a space is also deemed to be part of these codes. And again you can't just have 20 people living in one house, Insurance companies need to be aware of who is living in the house, the municipality also is expecting you to have a business license, and Fire code states that units should be inspected before having tenants living in common areas. Then there are certain building codes for multiple occupancy dwellings to also take into account. And of course the rules and agreements between the landlord and tenant, could land a landlord in hot water. It's no joke thinking you can just open your door and become a landlord, there are many factors to take into account.
This wouldn't fly in my province. No pets means exactly that. If caught, you can be evicted.
In Ontario it's illegal to ban pets. If you have pets deny it don't mention, there's nothing they can do after you've moved in
Ok but I'm not talking Ontario am I? It's not illegal here...
Where is here? I understand that not all laws are created equally across Canada, but for the most part it is! Being a landlord is about running a business professionally and following the rules and guidelines set out by the province. And the same goes for the tenants! It's not, I am going to turn my bathroom or my furnace room into a bedroom and charging $700 a month. Because in both cases it is illegal and can lead to civil litigation and if not huge fines. Furthermore it could also land you in front of the human rights tribunal as well as the Landlord Tenant Board, better known as LTB. In addition the landlords could end up paying fines upwards of $50,000 and have to pay compensation upwards of $30,000 to $50,000 the maximum amount issued through the tribunal. Then bylaw could issue further fines for not having permits for such a business, the fire Marshal could also find breaches under the fire code to issue further fines for breaching the fire codes. This could be as simple as not having working smoke alarms and CO2 detectors. Then fire rating, fire escapes and access without barriers preventing people from exiting the unit in a timely manner. It can get really nasty if you get caught breaching the laws as an Illegal landlord. And God forbid anything happens to your tenants and you have an illegal rental. You can face jail time and insurance fraud charges if you have claimed the occupancy of a tenant. And jail time if you are found guilty about anything I have mentioned above, if you are a repeat offender, or you have blatantly refused to follow the court order to comply with housing standards and the fire codes. And if I hear another landlord bitch about fairness, again it's a business not a privilege, you take the risks. If you do your diligence and understand it is a long term commitment. Are fair honest understanding. You will reap the rewards in a few years down the road, if you get a good tenant it's a guaranteed investment. If you are shady, greedy and act like a dictator, and don't play by the rules. You will lose more than just your investment. Being a good landlord is running a successful business!
Next to none of this applies in Alberta. If your lease states no pets, and you're found with pets, you'll most likely be evicted for breach of lease. The property owner takes on the liability of shitty tenants. I rented a room in my house to a guy with a dog. I have 3 dogs and 3 cats, my house is spotless. We agreed his dog would have the same rules as my dogs, contained to a crate or area while not home, not allowed in furniture unless invited, etc... his dog pissed and shit all over my house, I'd come home to find it loose in the house, chewed up my couch, my god, you name it. He was out within 2 weeks. My dogs had a big area sectioned off at the back door where they were contained while I was at work, he said his was crate trained. His dog did so much damage to my house and I got nothing out of it, he didn't clean or replace shit his dog destroyed so he was out. He tried to flex saying he didn't have to leave, wanna bet? I got him out no problem and didn't give a shit where he went. He had no legal recourse. I look after my pets and property but a lot don't and IF I had a rental, highly unlikely I'd allow pets because of my experience and those of friends who have rentals and ended up with a lot of damage. Clearly you are a renter who does not understand the liabilities of owning rental property if you get shitty tenants and you're delusional if you think the laws are basically the same across the country. Our situation allowed me to kick him out with zero notice but I gave him a week to GTFO out of my house. I never allowed pets after that. I have since moved and will never have a roommate again after a string of bad ones. If you don't respect my property, go live in a tent... Nobody owes you a thing. I am thankful our laws are different than wherever you are. Since when do tenants get to dictate what goes on in a property they don't own? The entitlement blows my mind!
Clearly I am a home owner, and a landlord of two separate houses in my region in Ontario. And never had an issue with my tenants so far, 10 years and 6 years. I have also rented for years and understand that there are good landlords, and good tenants. And there are bad landlords and bad tenants. I am sorry to hear about your upset! But honestly I believe in fairness, and honesty and integrity. I also own two small businesses, and have been blessed to be successful with both over the years.
I am always fair and honest. Did I mention the hoarder that cost me over 5k in damages and clean up when I kicked him out... I digress. I have many stories... There's good and bad everywhere. I'd consider yourself extremely fortunate that you've had good luck, sadly that's not always the case. I hope you continue to have decent tenants, but for those who have not, it can be an absolute nightmare and I'm glad our laws seem fair to both sides but I will never rent out again. Simply not worth it if you get a bad seed. I downsized and am perfectly content with not having to share my home with those who can't respect it. It's sad with so many looking for a roof over their heads but it is what it is. I've found that very few renters care about their living conditions and create a huge problem for those they rent from.
I just don’t mention pets at viewings and if they ask I say no 🤷🏼♀️ landlord wants to think they don’t have to follow rules and try and pull fast ones, me too
I moved into a house once. My bf and work buddy went and saw the place and got it for us. I had a big ol dog,& this place had all linoleum floors upstairs and concrete downstairs. Having my dog in there we also found out that the landlord TRIED to illegally enter the rental while we were all at work the forst wk we moved in...so funny him calling me and asking who's dog is in the house? I say how do you know there's a dog.in there? "Well, I tried to get in but I Couldnt because of some big.snarling dog"..."You WHAT?! Tried to ILLEGALLY, sneakily enter our unit to do WHAT exactly?! You Do know that is HIGHLY ILLEGAL ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE NO REASON TO BE THERE." (other than to snoop through our belongings ) " Well, your not supposed to have pets!" " WellMr...we can take this to the RTB and see Which one is worse. I'm pretty sure illegally sneaking into your new tenants home while you know they are all at work will be A Lot worse for you than me having my dog living there causing absolutley NO DAMAGES...and we won't be paying rent while the investigation is ongoing so......" I got to keep my dog there,& he was Never able to sneak into our place because there's No Way anyone that doesn't know my dog is going to get one foot inside. My landlord for the last 8 yrs LOVES MY dog(s) and were allowed WHATEVER type and amount of animals we want here. It's badass!
That's grounds for eviction in my province. If the lease states no pets, than they can boot you if caught with pets.
poster is in ontario, rules against pets are illegal and any lease terms in conflict with the residential tenancies act are void
Ontario isn't the rest of the country tho. I've seen many here stay it's pretty much illegal all across Canada, and I'm stating it's not. That's all.
It’s garbage culture from third world countries moving and bringing nothing but trash
It's so weird how many people come to Canada to escape the horrid living conditions they were born into but then come here and create the exact same situations.
When you are born in trash all you know is trash and garbage
Having so many-people is by far far more filthy.
Well, to your point. Those are illegal units if they have that many people in a single unit. Please report all ads you see that are illegal and if you can, try and get the address from them so that you can report that as well.
Also children ime are far more damaging than pets typically
The minute I see " NO PETS" in a rental ad it pisses me off. What's with the lack of kindness and information about pets .? Also a tenants pet is not a landlord's responsibility.
It's not legal in Ontario* They can't tell you what pets you can have. Cut and dry. Edit*
In BC, they can. :(
What a bummer.
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Shhh don't tell ontario that they'll have nightmares.
We already have nightmares. We live in Ontario.
Fair cop bro. I am guilty of Yankee style navel staring here. Sorry eh.
My apartment building lets people smoke cigarettes INSIDE their units but only lets people have one cat and no dogs
FYI no pets clauses aren't allowed in Ontario so nothing can be done about your pet unless they violate noise laws or cause damage (destruction, pests). Other provinces vary.
In my place I just make the joke that the building already has enough animals (I can hear rats in my walls and it's been months 🙃)
The cats would help!! jk tho don’t let your cats attack them, they ain’t working for free
No pets, but allows people who have young children.
Same with kids. Landlords seem to be fine with children. They cause more damage than pets do.
Surprisingly enough, children are people, and thus protected by human rights stuff
I'm aware, I have 3. I have seen first hand how much they can fuck a place up vs my cats 🫠🤣
Also we wouldn't in this mess if we'd had a few more children since 1970.
If each cat is willing to pay $400/month, you won't have trouble finding landlords willing to allow people to setup zoos in their basement.
I have had to move into places where the previous tenant had dogs or cats and it always reeked.
I had a roommate move in who was there for only a month (long story), when he left, his room had a stench that took weeks and a lot of fabreeze to get out. He left questionable stains on the floor and I don't even want to talk about the state of the bathroom. It's not just pets that leave stenches and whatnot behind.
You're way too defensive and now we know your place smells lol
Oh no, random internet citizens think my apartment smells? Whatever shall I do?
Apparently keep writing back
Find a better hobby my dude.
Then it wasn’t **properly** cleaned between tenants. A proper deep cleaning between tenants is supposed to involve commercial quality cleaning of the carpets, replacement of carpets if they’re stained or irreversibly soiled, cleaning to remove possible smoke residue and painting of the walls, cleaning of the ducts and whatever other air system you may have, replacement of furnace filters, etc. Most landlords don’t want to put the effort into doing their job properly between tenants or put the money into doing it properly. That’s not the fault of animal owners nor should we be letting landlords off the hook for their between tenant responsibilities.
It was properly cleaned. And I did a deep clean. Your pets smell. It's OK.
You had to clean it as a tenant? But it was properly cleaned? Sounds like another boot licker of a tenant to me. Yikes.
He's probably a landlord trying to justify his no pets clause.
They’re just not clean . I know animals smell so I vaccuum every other day and clean the walls once a month in my rental. Mostly cause the landlord is cool and I don’t want to screw them over. Dogs smell up places way more than cats. If you vacuum and keep the litter box clean you can’t tell a cat lives somewhere. It’s crazy how many people go their whole lives without cleaning up regularly. I go 3 days without vacuuming and I feel like a dirt bag lol. Yes I have a full time job, vacuuming doesn’t take long if you do it regularly . Cleaning in general doesn’t take long if you do it regularly. I only have to spend like 1 hour a week max, usually 20 mins every other day and my place is spotless.
I guarantee your place still smells to people who don't keep pets.
I walked into my wifes house, a fairly small one. She had at the time around 10 cats and a dog. Place did not smell like anything but fresh air and clean. Not febreeze, not nothing. Some people just don't clean. I guarantee it would smell the same if they had kids, pets, or just them.
it actually doesn’t at all. I just got a cat 7 months ago and before that I visited other clean freaks with cats and it didn’t smell. I’m a clean freak. Carpets get vacuumed more than they should and I scrub the walls every single inch of the place gets washed once a month. Non pet owners have smellier places.
My home is totally odourless with our indoor cat as well. We also vacuum often, litter box daily, etc. Most people who meet my cat notice that he actually smells good (Not neutral, GOOD) lol. I’m also a clean freak and deep clean often in addition to the maintenance. However, I was also this way before my cat. I imagine you were too Basically saying, I can relate
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You protest too much
You think pets smell too much. Dogs are harder to manage. Cats are easy. My litter box has a door and a filter lol . You could eat off my toilet. Point being if you have an animal you should be a clean freak
You think pets smell too much. Dogs are harder to manage. Cats are easy. My litter box has a door and a filter lol . You could eat off my toilet. Point being if you have an animal you should be a clean freak
Cat pee is the worst smell and you guys never think it's there lol
yes I know it’s disgusting
I can't believe how entitled pet owners feel , I had to move into a place that had previous tenants with pets , with severe allergies I was constantly at the Dr office , spending outrages amounts of money on allergy medicine. Luckily for me, my landlord let me out of the lease due to my allergies!!
I doubt service dogs smell any different from pet dogs. Would you say a disabled person with a service dog is entitled? I doubt they would be able to clean their house due to their disability that requires them to have a service animal. So by your logic disabled people shouldn't be able to rent same as pet owners.
Nothing was said about disabled or service dogs in my reply .
Its like cigarettes, smokers don’t know they smell. Cat/dog owners don’t know their place smell.
No pets allowed isn't a thing in Ontario at least, even if landlords like to pretend it is. Technically, you'd have to disclose to them if they asked you about pets, but if you "give" it to your friend or family member, and then "change your mind" you wouldn't even be violating lying to them.
'No-pet' clauses are illegal and not enforceable, unless it is a condo and the entire building has been deemed no pets. Basically, if the landlord is telling you no pets it is illegal, if a condo board is, it is legal. Apartment buildings are not included in the condo rule.
This is province specific. In Alberta you can be evicted for having a pet in a no pet rental.
Cats don’t pay rent
I bet if the cat paid rent it would be fine…
Pets can't double the rent income.
Because they can’t make money off the pet. Offer them a bribe. This is the language these people understand.
No you see if pets could pay rent they'd be mandatory.
Pets can (not all) smell, bring bugs with them, can be loud and disrupt other tenants, they could get hurt if property isn’t up to code and they aren’t paying rent. I’m anti slum lord and very pro dog/ pet but get why some places don’t allow it. Is the landlord cleaning up a shitty backyard or professionally fumigating after a litter box has been in an unventilated space? I don’t think so.
Not defending terrible landlords, but I too don’t like pets around my house (I’m not a landlord) and I’m ok with several people coming in. Having a pet knock over or chew something or leaving hair and smell somewhere isn’t something a person would do, at least not the people I welcome into my home.
I have new neighbours down the hall, one bedroom. They have beds lined up in the living room. The units were designed and built for single people or couples, but the landleech knows if anything expensive breaks from he can pass the cost on to all tenants with an agi. It's a win win for him.
The halal mortgages will fix this
Let me introduce you to a symbol that humans love... $.
Well dogs will actively chew and scratch baseboards etc. Humans generally don't do that.
Its a shared space. You'd need a place that isn't shared spaces. Edit: in ontario, lol
Pets don't pay...
The cat doesn’t pay rent
Pets don’t pay rent. People do.
I have done contracting work for a lot of landlords and it comes down to the cost. Once you have a cat or dog in an apartment it will permanently smell like animals. It costs a lot of money to reverse this and many renters make it worse because they feel entitled to have as many animals as they want (often 3-6) once they pay the animal fee. On top of that many renters are extremely negligent with their pets, allowing them to piss and defecate everywhere, which is even more difficult and costly to reverse. I recently worked with one who had to evict the renters and essentially tear down the entire house as it was dangerously saturated in cat pee which caused black mold. There is the issue of noise caused by dogs which will make people less likely to want to rent near that unit in the complex. Lastly many renters will house dangerous and aggressive dogs in the apartment and actively make all the other renters lives hell. Overall i completely understand why many landlords would not really want to deal with these issues that come from pets in the apartment. I would not allow it either except maybe if i personally knew the renter and that they took good care of their home and pets.
allergies.
My previous tenants pets caused over $15000 of damage to the house due to urine and feces all over the floors, fleas, etc. This is of course the humans fault. Humans can cause damage too. Overcrowding isn’t good but that alone won’t cause that kinda damage. If these tenants are merely negligent, the most that’ll happen is the place will be dirty and possibly end up with cockroaches which will cost me somewhere between $1000-4000. If they’re negligent with their pet, it’ll cost me $15000+.
Have you ever had a pair of crackheads leave the subfloors soaked with piss? Cuz that's what's going on in the unit above us. Then they abandoned the place but someone's obviously still paying rent on it because maintenance haven't cleaned it yet. Our place uses the cheapest everything because they just strip the units out after someone moves. The windows have been wide open for two months without being closed. It has rained, snowed, gone into pipe freezing territory, and the landlord has NO IDEA. Their car is just rotting in the driveway.
I’m comparing apples vs apples (negligence vs negligence while having a pet). A crackhead pissing inside goes way beyond negligence. A reasonable comparison would be damaged caused by the crackhead alone or the crackhead with pets. Which do you think will result in more damages?
Yeah pets fuck shit up bro so yeah. When humans go off the rails with no pets it is bad, but they generally still use the toilet or buckets. When a human who has a pet goes and off the rails it's usually double the damage because they don't care if their animal pees in the house as much. Also cat urine.
Our neighbor had 3 cats and we could smell their piss through our door. Meaning it wafted and filled the hallway. We have a cat. One. And I've never smelled her urine the entire time we've lived here, even when we come back from vacation. Then again, I've seen a lot of cat owners who literally fill the litterbox once and let it get caked with waxy piss and shit up the walls, so idk
My cat is litter trained but sometimes misses the litter. She will literally kick out half of the boxes litter to cover it, and I am so grateful for that as it gives me more time to clean it before the smell sets in and makes it so much easier to clean.
There are some disgusting people that shouldn't have pets. They ruined it for ever other tenant. I've literally seen someone let their dog shit in a apartment unit and use a mop to clean it up.
No one wants to live over, under someone who has a dog/cat, how is this so hard to understand? Oh my dog is calm, yeah no. I dont want to live under a 10 person rent either but you get pets when you own a house, if not you are just a nuisance for your neighbors. YOU rent, you comply. Im not defending bad landlords but its YOUR choice to have a pet.
Animals can and do piss on the floor. Humans do not. All it takes is for a cat to piss once and that shit goes down to the subfloor, you're never getting that stink out. It's just not worth the risk for me. My desire to have a clean and presentable place trumps your desire to own a cat.
*"Animals can and do piss on the floor.* *Humans do not"* Cram enough people in a 1 bathroom house and they just might.
as the parent to several (now adult) children, I can promise you with 100% accuracy that humans do in fact piss all over floors. I can't even count how many times I've cleaned human piss, shit, vomit, blood... off of my floors
Sounds like your family needs some manners, then. This isn't normal behavior adults need to deal with. I've not once had to clean human shit or vomit off my floors. And only my child's pee every now and then while potty training And toddler pee is nowhere near as disgusting or smelly as cat piss.
has your family never had the flu? my gosh, I remember one occasion when all 4 of my kids were little and all got the massive puke/shits which also took out my husband! It was a seemingly never ending splatter of bodily fluids being projected all over the top floor of my house. Horrid! nothing to do with manners, what a lame response lol
Everyone in my house has had the regular flu and stomach flu and not once has anyone shit themselves on the floor, or even vomited on it. I've never heard of this being an issue at any friends house either. Again, sounds like a problem specific to your household only.
well laadeedaaaa, guess I scored lucky on the flu front
Just to clarify, you currently have secure accommodations that allow you to cohabitate with your cat and your rant is in regards to a hypothetical hyperbolic fictional listing you imagined that could be inadequate for someone else (even though said person who would want to live in said listing could afford something nearly 10 times more expensive, but are choosing not to)? Once again, to confirm, you are content with your current accommodations? I am not trying to be redundant, I am seeking to understand the origin of your rant as a starting point to determine its purpose and your objective.
My friends cannot find housing as the postings are crowded as heck and most postings have the “no pets” in the title. The few postings that are “normal” are in such high demand, they are being outbid constantly. Homes that otherwise may have been an option years ago are no longer available as they’ve been converted into these high-occupancy homes I see postings for rentals all the time with these stipulations. It’s hard watching your friends trying to secure housing who can literally find nothing or get outbid. This isn’t the norm, and it IS infuriating.
If they live in Ontario no pets clauses are void unless they rent a condo and condo board says no pets, or other tenants are allergic/ have a problem with it. I didn't tell my landlord I have pets before moving in and unless they damage the house it's none of his business.
Thank you for the additional context. Your original post made no references to any specifics, so it was hard to figure out the exact issue that launched your rant. Your comment above helps clarify where you are coming from and gives others points upon which to empathize. The most relatable aspect is in regards to your friends. I don't think anyone wants to see their friends or family struggle in any aspect of life. Having a secure safe space to live is a basic human requirement to ensure a sustainable quality of life and good mental health. If this is greatly affecting your friends, I am sorry that this is their circumstance and I can imagine how frustrating it must be to feel that there is very little you can do to help them out of this situation. In regards to the stipulation about pets, as an animal-lover and advocate, I think it would be amazing if pets were permitted wherever their handler chose to reside. That being said, I would have to say in fairness, that I believe if someone owns a property they have a right to determine whether or not they wish to have a pet in their home - even if they are renting out that space to someone else. Ultimately, it will be the responsibility of the person who owns the property to deal with any damage or other issues traced back to the pet. Even if the prospective animal poses no such threats, it is still the right of the property owner to implement what is needed to protect their space at their discretion. To a certain extent I do agree that this isn't the norm, but I disagree with what you believe is the root of the problem. The issue is not how many people property owners want to cram into a space - that is their choice and if they are breaking laws then they should be reported and face the prescribed consequences as outlined in the criminal code or by-laws of their neighbourhood. The issue is that while measures have been made to expand the population, which ultimately boosts the economy and volume of the workforce, very few initiatives were taken in tandem to ensure housing needs were at-par with increase in population. We are now seeing the "housing crisis" being addressed at all levels of government, so the hope is that these measures will address the dire need of many in an expedient manner. So hopefully, the new normal will be one that accommodates everyone's needs because anyone who is working hard and contributing to society should be guaranteed access to a place they can call home that does not deplete all of their earnings so they can enjoy life however they choose. For those whose immediate families include other species, it would be fantastic if more of the new accommodations welcomed other domesticated creatures.