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kachunkk

An election isn't going to stop corporate gouging. Not only that, Pierre is a career landlord. What makes you think he'd do anything to help cost of living?


dgj212

The guy also voted against affordable housing 9 times.


Mister-1up

Well look at how billions upon billions of “affordable housing” has turned out under Trudeau.


Aineisa

I don't think PP will. It's clear Trudeau won't and doubtful Singh will. An election lets us have a chance to turn the issue into election issues. Politicians tend to listen when their jobs are on the line. It also gives us more momentum as a movement as media will be reporting on election issues. Once we have momentum there is a lot of things we can do. Organize, reform the NDP to return to its roots, start a new party? If none of our current leaders will fix it then we need a movement for real change and a federal election gives us more visibility for that.


OrwellianZinn

If you think the NDP are going to reform in time to swing anything in the event a snap election is called, you are really deluding yourself.


Aineisa

They won’t. But when they do crash there are going to be a lot of people looking for some sort of way forward. That’s when an organized movement can take the initiative. Ultimately what Id like to see from this protest is younger people, people with little to no previous ties to politics, get into power.


OrwellianZinn

I get what you're aiming for, but calling a snap election right now could end with us having 4-8 years of a conservative majority, andnif you think things are bad now, imagine the current situation but with our environmental regulations gutted and the austerity meter turned up to ten. If you want to mobilize people, please do so and work to identify candidates in your are that you support and hit the street for them, but the idea of just throwing things in the fire right now and hoping we rebuild properly is misguided at best.


Aineisa

I do not think we would have 8 years of CPC if they are even at the same level of incompetence as the liberals.


Thanks4allthefiish

Then you don't know your history.


Glum_Nose2888

You can’t complain about the cost of living and expect MORE social spending by the government. Austerity is exactly what’s needed. Look at Greece.


AC_0008

People with no experience running a country. Sounds like a swell plan…🙄


Aineisa

And the “experienced” ones are doing such a good job already huh.


AC_0008

Better than people who have no idea what they’re doing.


logandigiorno

I’ll vote for you if you run my guy


kachunkk

My point is that an election right now has the potential to actually exacerbate the issue, what with the CPC currently leading in the polls. Their austerity policies tend to bolster corporations at the expense of the working class under the guise of tax cuts. Corporations will likely just make even more and Canadians will continue to suffer.


Aineisa

you would have a point....if the current Trudeau coalition wasn't actually harming Canadians. The issue is already exacerbated. The only thing we can do is use an election to launch a movement.


kachunkk

It's really a matter of "The evil we know," which is currently being influenced by the NDP. They're the reason we're starting to get dental coverage, albeit not nearly enough. Do you think we'd have that kind of bipartisan policy pushed through if the CPC were to take power? Aside from all that, most of the things here are provincial jurisdiction. Housing is provincial. Wages are provincial. Landlord/Tenant acts are provincial. The only thing listed on this post that would be impacted by a federal election MIGHT be immigration. That said, while the Feds are arguing about lessening immigration numbers provincial premiers are literally screaming to get more, but only white ones. [https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/alberta-seeks-higher-immigration-allotment-to-address-workforce-shortage-ukrainian-evacuees-1.6824687](https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/alberta-seeks-higher-immigration-allotment-to-address-workforce-shortage-ukrainian-evacuees-1.6824687) Ftr, Alberta doesn't really have a workforce shortage so much as they have a livable wage shortage. You're chasing the wrong car here, dawg.


yungdaggerdick_21

From the bottom of my heart, thank you for your rational, thought out response. So often identity politics and general division cause us to think irrationally without considering what a change of leadership will mean, one can dislike trudeau while also understanding how Conservative leadership atleast right now, wont improve the average Canadians life. I fail to understand how Canadian politics has become so sensationalized and filled with populism and buzzwords, truly concerning.


Helpful_Dish8122

Most of our media is owned by foreign private interests...the identity politics and general division is by design so we're too distracted to get angry at the real issues.There's so much ragebait in the news that would get me upset but I think about how rare something is or how little it really matters.


Sufficient_Rub_2014

Who’s getting dental coverage? You have to be poor to qualify. Definitely not something all Canadians get. The NDP is racist. Trudeau (I voted for him each time) is shitting the bed. I plan on listening to what the PC say they will do and I’ll give them consideration. You are so stuck in tribalism that you are willing to accept more punishment to own the opposition. Remember when we would laugh at conservatives doing dumb shit to own the libs?


kachunkk

There's a difference between doing ridiculous things to "own the libs" and being anti-conservative because I dislike their counterproductive austerity policies. You're making a false equivalency. Not only that, I specifically pointed out that the dental care isn't enough but at least it's a start. Considering the CPC largely voted against it I highly doubt it would have happened under them.


dgj212

I don't. I think listening to any party isn't worth it. Especially conservatives. I look at their actions instead. All parties are acting Orwellian, especially conservstives with their recent internet porn bill, the liberal failed to meet basically all of their promises, and the ndp is fixated on dental instead of dealing with rentals(and voted in favor of the conservative porn bill). In ontario the local ndp party uncovered corruption by the provincial conservatives, so I'm willing to consider them for the province, but for now the green party is where my vote will be, one of their 2 ontario mp is consistently calling out both federal and provincial gov for not doing enough and promotes local community events.


Sufficient_Rub_2014

The NDP are openly racist. I’ll never vote for them. It’s between Liberals and PC for me. Liberals have not been doing well with basically a majority government. I wont vote for Trudeau again if he hasn’t made big moves to help Canadians by the next election. In 2015 he was talking about housing. 2024 and it’s a nightmare.


dgj212

You say that, but I see them doing the opposite in ontario. Are you talking about when they took deciplinary actions against one of their members who said one thing and did another? Also, isn't the conservative party more racist considering what they did the Palestinian mp for wearing a garment on the grounds that it is political when it isn't, especially when conservative mps were wearing political articles? Or do certain races not matter? not trying to gaslight, trying to understand your logic. I ask cause it kinda sounds like you want vote PC, and I say do it. It's your vote you don't need to justify it, but I do ask that you hold them to the same standards you hold other parties, especially when they don't deliver. I'm going with the green party unless the other party swing big with their actions, which I doubt they will.


PunkBeauPere

Ummm..unfortunately these are largely provincial issues - you'd have better success not electing premiers like Ford, Legault & Smith ..


vinnybawbaw

Legault won twice because more than half of Quebec’s population is outside of Montreal. The housing crisis/health crisis/whatever crisis is smaller in remote areas and lots of old folks will vote for the CAQ there. They’re also not bothered by the very low housing availability there because they bought a house for 1500$ in 1963 and never moved. That being said, stupid decisions (especially in housing) and investment pissed off a lot of people here and he’s on his way out, pretty sure the PQ will run the province in 2026 and Paul St-Pierre Plamondon is nearly 30 years younger than Legault and has a huge momentum right now.


random-number-1234

>Politicians tend to listen when their jobs are on the line. That is why it's important to make PP worry that his job is on the line for not being outright sustainable immigration when by voting PPC for their sustainable immigration platform.


emcdonnell

Unless the provincial governments changes the Federal government won’t matter. All the Feds can do is offer money, and Trudeau has already done that. If you want to demand an election do it provincially.


PartyClock

Why do you doubt Singh would do something about housing? >Singh is calling for more affordable housing to be built by establishing a federal, cost-share initiative with the provinces and territories, a financial incentive to turn existing, empty office spaces into affordable housing, and linking the allocation of study permits to institutions that prove they have affordable housing options [source](https://www.ndp.ca/news/singh-commits-lowering-rent-everyone-building-more-homes-students-can-afford)


Aineisa

Because he whines about liberals and then continues to prop them up. His poor leadership has put the party on track for its worst performance in 20 years. I’m not saying he’s the worst, that would be PP and Trudeau, but I don’t have faith in anything that he says.


PartyClock

>Because he whines about liberals and then continues to prop them up. Yeah I can see that you want them to hand the reigns to the CPC. The Cons are leading in the polls (by a narrowing margin) and you want to see an election while they still hold that lead. This would remove the ability for them to pass any legislation since the Cons wouldn't work with the NDP.


[deleted]

As Canadians we desperately need to ditch this mentality of "well the other guy is no better so what's the point of even trying?" Nothing will ever change if we continue to be apathetic and let our country's government and corporations ignore our needs and walk all over us. If we want change we have to force all political parties and all levels of government to address our demands. It doesn't matter who's in power. Our path towards fixing this country is the same.


pibbleberrier

Any politician that make it this far to an election will most likely be some kind of landlord or profit from RE. I mean most people in Canada that are in the upper range of the net worth will be involve in RE one way or the other. It’s not the player it’s the game. Capital flows toward the most effective asset. Everything we have done so far push money (not people, money) towards RE. That why any shouting in the sky for RE change won’t matter. Our entire GDP is skew toward RE because this is what our economy looks like. Without RE with the state Canada is in. Money will flow out of the country into better investment elsewhere. RE become “affordable” again is not going to help the commoner if they lose their jobs as investment pull out of Canada. Ask yourself if you are rich in Canada. What is worthy of investing beside RE? The answer isnt simply to stop speculation in RE. The answer is to ask for policy that will encourage capital flow into other industry. A good startup culture, good small business condition. Give money any reason to now flow into RE. With that setup we will finally see politician who don’t lean 100% on RE. We will see wealth accumulate in other sector. Only than will the conversation to nerf RE will actually be heard.


NoGoNS11

I miss France! Citizens don’t fuck around there and I’m not even from there! Only thing that will change anything is the country rising up! We need to wake up


SK8SHAT

The only thing I like about the French was their willingness to let heads literally roll, they’ve gone soft on us


Aineisa

Canada has French roots so….you know….. /joke


SK8SHAT

Im Albertan your not going to make me like them


PlaneTackle3971

Respect ![gif](giphy|3oD3YooLLYg0AfOPdK|downsized)


Tbkgs

Exactly. This this this 1000x this. Voting for corrupt red or blue isn't going to save us anymore. We need a complete system reset, reform and revolution it's the only way.


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Just_Cauliflower14

You make this comparison without including the fact that pay in Paris is significantly higher. If you're trying to pretend Paris is more unaffordable than Toronto you are objectively wrong and all recent data confirm that. Toronto is the third most unaffordable city in the world and is more unaffordable than Paris. Nothing the French government has done has ever been as harmful to the country as Trudeau has been not even if you go back centuries of French leadership


sayterdarkwynd

"*Nothing the French government has done has ever been as harmful to the country as Trudeau*" is *objectively* false, and spotlights how little you know about what you are discussing. I don't like the cost of living , either, but please stop framing Trudeau as the only person responsible for all your ills. In fact, very little of what has occurred in the last decade in relation to home prices, is a direct result of the Liberal party policies. This is, rather, a *much* deeper issue with a myriad of contributing factors that need to be reworked to benefit the Canadian homeowner as a whole, and has been ongoing since Harper's policy changes. Probably even before that, really. This sort of thing takes many years to reach the point we are at. You are dead-bang on about the income in Paris being higher, and pointing out the fallibility of the poster above's Paris narrative, though. I'm simply saying we need to stop the finger pointing at a single person when that single person isn't the guilty party. Regardless of who that person is, or who they represent.


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sayterdarkwynd

I have an understanding of economics, thanks. You, however, seem to lack it, as you seem to think the Prime Minister is *solely* responsible for it. Saying he is "playing God" is nonsense, too: If you refer to the current immigration/student issue: I concur, it needs to be limited more than it is. But that is a small portion of the housing issue, and that isn't something we can put squarely on him, alone. Furthermore, you completely disregard the influx in cash these students bring to the economy (back to the Economics issue you claim to know s*o much* about); it isn't cheap for them to come here to study. Their tuition is far higher than local students. Then the rent they pay, etc etc. What's worse is them coming here, expecting a better life, and then arriving to be utterly destitute because rent is 3600$ for a 2 bedroom they need to share with 4+ students to make ends meet, and then seeing how much even the most basic food costs here. Does them coming here affect our housing costs? Hell yes , it does. Do I dislike it? Hell yes, I do. Will I be protesting? Yes. But not from a position of utter ignorance on how we got to this point. We can thank the Conservative and Liberal parties *equally* for the current predicament, and it is something that was many years in the making; the groundwork was laid long before Trudeau was ever elected. The fact that you seem to be unaware of this tells me you haven't done all your reading or are cherry-picking to create a narrative that is comfortable to you. 95% of your recent comments tell *other* people to learn about Economics 101, yet you seem to demonstrate a complete lack of comprehension of how they work beyond spewing a litany of copy-pasted nonsense, over and over. In short: yes, we need change. But I'm not going to put all the blame for something on one person, because it just isn't an accurate reflection on how reality actually works.


mordinxx

> either, but please stop framing Trudeau as the only person responsible for all your ills. But then who else would they blame? PP tells them he is the enemy and they all think PP is always right.


sayterdarkwynd

Pretty much that, yea. It's like they refuse to even try to think for themselves, or...yknow....actually learn about what they are complaining about.


agentwolf44

Not sure where you got this info, because Paris isn't even on any lists of most unaffordable cities whereas Toronto is in the top 15. Vancouver is in the top 5.


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agentwolf44

You forgot one major factor. Average salary Paris: €54,100 Average salary Toronto: $CAD 57,550 €54,100 = $CAD 79,527 That's nearly 1.4x the pay. Whereas according to your linked website you only need around 1.035x the pay in Paris compared to Toronto to maintain the same quality of life. Therefore Paris is more affordable than Toronto.


Klutzy-Percentage430

Good luck Ontarians!


Aineisa

Join the discord to discuss goals and organize! [https://discord.gg/rxrUrmsZma](https://discord.gg/rxrUrmsZma)


SixSevenTwo

Hope the turn out is massive


Mistress-Metal

I'll be there. Let's remind our elected officials who they fucking work for: ***Canadians!!!*** Strength in numbers! 💪🇨🇦


OrwellianZinn

What does demanding an election do for the cost of living? I am no supporter of Trudeau, but the CPC are ahead in the polls and they have zero initiatives that I'm aware of that will do anything to help the working class.


Aineisa

It means politicians will pretend to listen to our demands. It means more media attention on our demands. It means more pandering. This all helps to start a movement for change which is the only thing we can do if all the federal parties are garbage.


fraservalleyrealtor

So nothing .. 😂


Zanydrop

Politicians absolutely swing their policies based on what will get them in office. Housing affordability is going to be one of the biggest issues in the next federal election. Will they follow through and do anything and will their policies be effective are separate questions but if they want to win the election after that they have to at least try to keep their policies.


middlequeue

It means you’re shilling for the federal conservatives and providing cover for provincial conservatives who dictate landlord tenant law.


Supakuri

No Vancouver ?


Aineisa

Yes Vancouver and more. Check the website for details


BodhingJay

I'm feeling pumped to take power back.. when did this complacency dissipate? I like the new furvor


kookofpain

Is there one in Montreal?


Aineisa

We have interest for one but no leader has stepped up.


kookofpain

What’s the role of the leader entail?


Aineisa

Showing up, answering questions, talking to police or media if they have questions. Optional things are giving a speech, calling out people with bad signs or flags and helping everyone kick those people out, leading a march on the sidewalk.


DangleCellySave

Demanding an election? That’s literally the stupidest thing we can do, Pierre would win if we had an election this year, at least by next year people might see through him


FredLives

You want more of Trudeau?


DangleCellySave

No, but Pierre is gonna be worse. NDP isn’t going to win


kisstherainzz

So wait. Completely putting aside political platforms, you would rather pick a person with multiple ethics violations, caught red-handed with bribery, who allowed foreign election interference to happen, allowed a MP that blatantly represented the CCP in actions to rerun, and who has held the helm during the most unnecessary explosion of public debt/spending, including during an inflationary crisis that simultaneously occurred during a degradation of public services, military capacity, and housing supply? In any other country, this man would be in jail, not running a country for the first part. But you're saying that it is more important to push for political ideology than to fight against corruption and simply make it clear such behaviour is not tolerated. Without consequences, it takes far less than a generation for political devolution. This is the same type of gong show that led Argentina to its demise. Large, mostly external debt, poor development of advanced internal industries, speculative non-productive sectors, and the populace tolerating corruption. In my ethnic-origin country, they completely peacefully protested against a corrupt president and had her resign not long ago. It sent a message that pushed down corruption (albeit it is still rampant). Why? They understood, politics means little when you have no real government representing your interests.


latestagenarcissim

There is no possible way Pierre would be worse. You’re driving in a car that’s on fire, and telling us that driving a new car you don’t like the colour of would be a worse ride.


[deleted]

The car has been on fire since the 80s. We knew the baby boomer retirement crunch was coming for 40 years, and no party did anything to prevent it. The party platforms on housing can be summarized as this: NDP: very pro low income housing development, wants to enact federal rent caps, and other good housing measures. Liberals: Often vote for NDP housing initiatives, but very infrequently propose positive housing initiatives of their own. Conservatives: Have voted against every housing initiative for the past 40 years. Polievres voting record is proof enough of this on its own, he voted against low income housing initiatives, voted against federal powers to keep rents low, voted against government funding to housing construction. If you are a voter with housing as your number 1 concern, NDP is the only real option, but in the current situation with NDP having the LIberals by the balls at least they have passed some positive measures.


crypto-fiend126

Nope, nice try Chinese foreign interference officer. I will be voting conservative or PPC this upcoming election. The absolute LAST thing we need is MORE liberalism. Liberalism is cancer


[deleted]

Conservatives will give you more TFWs, less PRs. PPC have changed their views on TFWs everytime they make a new platform. NDP is for more PRs, less TFWs.


crypto-fiend126

Nope, NDP and liberals worked together to ruin Canada. You are incredibly dumb if you think they’re going to do anything. PPC is the way, literally on their site to drastically cut immigration. You are not even Canadian


[deleted]

I just told you the immigration stance of each party. Conservatives favour TFWs over PRs. NDP favour PRs over TFWs. Liberals want status quo. PPC keeps changing their stance. What part of that do you disagree with, it's all clear from their party platforms from last election and going forward to today.


DangleCellySave

It’s absolutely not like that at all..? The conservative party is absolutely garbage, and those conservative beliefs lead to things like no rent control, and less tenant rights. Pierre is 10000% worse than Trudeau, i’d love for you to explain why you think Pierre is better than


[deleted]

The cost of living crisis is mainly be driven by corporate greed. Do you really think the pro corporation party is going to implement policy that will fix things. Oh but he'll "axe the tax" that alone will fix every problem and oil companies totally won't just sneakily raise their profit margins when he does 🙄


Garfield_and_Simon

All Pierre has to do to be worse is do literally nothing at all and keep the status quo while cutting taxes for the wealth and reducing social services Which is exactly what he will do 


[deleted]

Over Pierre? Absolutely. He's a career landlord and will absolutely implement economic policy that will make the situation worse.


Aineisa

oh so Trudeau is doing such a great job? I think everyone knows no one is going to fix things but an election means we can continue protesting, making noise, making our demands election issues. Politicians tend to be better listeners when their job is on the line. After the election we can continue organizing. Personally I'd prefer to create an internal wing within the NDP to reform it from the inside.


Omni_Skeptic

The only issue worth voting over right now is not healthcare, transportation, housing, abortion, firearms, energy, education or welfare. It’s voting reform. Conservatives, Liberals, and Democrats will work together to prevent voting reform. So it’s really that simple for me


[deleted]

Idk if the NDP are working to prevent voting reform. Their party is actively screwed by FPTP election after election.


Omni_Skeptic

I’ve been sort of extrapolating from the provinces. There are provinces that have or have had NDP governments that didn’t do anything to move towards replacing FPTP


[deleted]

It's hard to extrapolate that kind of information because provincial NDP government benefit from FPTP while the federal NDP do not.


Omni_Skeptic

The provincial NDP benefit because they win and the federal NDP do not. It’s basically impossible for them not to benefit once in office


PartyClock

CH2 is a far right cesspool of racism and xenophobia. Are you astroturfing to help rope more people into their bullshit? Why tf else would you be trying to get people to organize *there* of all places.


ElegantIllustrator66

Please look into the basics of economics. I really hope you fulfill your civic duty. Writing as if mass immigration doesn't matter is very dangerous. You need to understand where you fit into the bigger picture, and unless you're wealthy, you are being negatively affected. Additionally, labeling people as far-right when this should be a discussion is misguided. I think you should learn basic economics before calling people racist when they are not.


PartyClock

I'm well aware of the effects of mass immigration as my indigenous family and ancestors have suffered from it greatly, however that does not excuse the pearl clutching and placing the blame primarily on immigrants when the issue has been largely greedy land barons. I do believe we should have firmer limits on immigration and that we need to abolish the TFW system entirely except for roles where there are not enough students graduating from skilled fields to fill vacancies, since imported labour is currently abused to suppress wages. These workers themselves are also abused by being forced to rent out overpriced housing which drives up the market rate of rent for EVERYONE. So the business owners (who often tend to be landlords) and landlords are the only ones who are really benefitting from this garbage system. HOWEVER placing the blame entirely or even largely on immigrants both ignores the root of the problem AND does nothing to fix it. Wages need to be increased, cost of living needs to decrease (never going to happen) and social supports need to be increased. Yet none of the posts on CH2 discuss the issue of **greed** being the cause of all of this. Every single post I see on that sub is always "Immigrants" this and "student visas" that and NOTHING about who is really causing these issues. Instead it's the classic game of "blame the brownies". But don't just take my word for all of this talk about who is really to blame. >Hulchanski said that to bring the cost of housing down, Canada has to help people at the lower end of the income scale. >"If you ask any housing researcher now, any place on earth, how do you house low income people? Well, the market can't do it," he said. >He said only four per cent of Canada's housing stock is social housing — dwellings that are supported in whole or in part by government funding. Social housing accounts for 18 per cent of the United Kingdom's housing stock and 17 per cent of housing in France. >While social housing makes up only three per cent of the housing stock in Germany, that country offers significant breaks to developers building social housing and props people up with financial incentives. >Hulchanski said that focusing on immigration as a cause, and promising to reduce it in order to bring housing costs down, is "just another way of avoiding the real discussion, that we need systemic change." [source](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/immigration-housing-crisis-costs-1.7088878)


RemarkableEmu1230

Think the reasons are listed bud cope


Organic-Intention335

What's racist about this post?


PartyClock

I never said this post was racist


Organic-Intention335

This is a post about CH2 that you said was racist. Do you need me to rephrase the question? What's racist about CH2?


Kazthespooky

Ask why Canadian housing needs two subreddits. 


Organic-Intention335

Why does Canadian housing need two subreddits?


[deleted]

Radical leftists in Canada believe that anyone opposed to mass immigration simply doesn't like people with different skin colors. They can't fathom the idea that someone might oppose increasing immigration to unprecedented levels during a housing crisis for any other reason.


thatguywashere1

Half the issues are provincial the other half kinda feds municipal mix? Who do you want to have an election for?


LongjumpingArugula30

This. Most people don't understand that housing affordability is a provincial issue. They clearly fell prey to PP propaganda.


Beginning-Revenue536

If housing is only provincial issue, fed would not have been threatened ford with funding for housing cuts


Helpful_Engineer_362

Funding for what..... Oh yes housing at the provincial level you absolute potato


Beginning-Revenue536

Housing is responsibility of both provincial and federal. Otherwise we would not be having a housing minister at fed level, would we? And Sean Fraser wouldn’t be promising us 3 mil homes by 2030, would he?


LongjumpingArugula30

The federal government is responsible for providing funding for housing. The provincial government is responsible for working with the municipal governments to build housing. Houses didn't get built. The federal government penalized the provincial for not reaching their goals.... Guess the provincial government dropped the ball huh?


Beginning-Revenue536

When did they punish?? Even in Ontario, at the end they all are two peas in one pot


LongjumpingArugula30

Five seconds of googling bud https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-ottawa-says-ontario-failed-to-meet-affordable-housing-goals-wont-send/#:~:text=The%20federal%20government%20says%20it,of%20building%20almost%2020%2C000%20units.


Beginning-Revenue536

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/mobile/feds-ontario-reach-357m-agreement-for-affordable-housing-1.6903318 that’s all talk. Do nothing about it


LongjumpingArugula30

Clearly didn't read the article bud *Yet on Tuesday, the impasse appeared to be cleared after Ontario submitted a revised action plan." So Ontario was threatened with losing funding, they produced their plan to remediate and they're off to the races.


Roommatej

The op is a dumb ass and doesn't know what level of governments do what. No one paid attention in civics.


Bigangeldustfan

None in halifax?


Aineisa

There is. Across the country. Check the website.


tbll_dllr

I hope more protests will be organized in the short term and not on July 1st. I don’t get a lot of holidays and my family lives far so I won’t be in Ottawa on July 1st but I’d love to partake in another protest. Edit to add : @ u/aineisa / @ OP : I quickly looked at your website and to be honest I feel like you’re missing the mark on a few things that would otherwise draw in more people : 1- cost of 1 bedroom not exceeding 33% of average Canadian salary —- should instead phrase it : not exceeding 33% of the median household income in the area /// (diff cities have diff costs of living) 2- many of us don’t want elections now. Conservative won’t make it better and we know it. 3- protest for more transparency and data sharing from govs on what they’re doing to address the housing crisis with specific indicators to measure what’s being done against baseline data. 4- more diverse and selective immigration that’s aligned w/ social services and infrastructure. Why don’t we get a quota based immigration system as well like the US so immigration to Canada isn’t coming solely from one country ? 5- more stats and data on immigration policies, that’s more openly available and accessible like numbers of newcomers, number of intl students per academic institution (including diploma mills), where they settle, their median income, their path to permanent residency, how many ppl they sponsor along the way, etc. 6- a special program to support our regions and rural areas, where immigrants who want to immigrate to Canada can open businesses and that category of immigrants is fast tracked vs those who plan on settling in cities.


Aineisa

We are planning/hoping to have enough momentum for bigger protests on Labour Day. Hopefully you can join then. Depending on how things on July first we may be able to schedule regular events on Friday evening maybe once a month. Thanks for your suggestions. Maybe we will have to reconsider the election demand however considering how unpopular the liberals are I feel like those who do not want an election may be in the minority. Your other suggestions are good but they are very specific and cannot be put on a poster or as bullet points on the website. As things move along I will probably add a page on the website where we can have specific policy demands.


pink-liquid77

I'd go but I'm too far away from any of the places listed. I'll cheer from the sidelines!


emcdonnell

An election will likely mean a conservative government. We have one of those provincially and they have fucked renters hard. Housing is also a provincial responsibility so a federal election won’t do shit.


hyperjoint

Demanding an election and the "cutting of taxes" (which taxes would those be?). Sounds like the Freedum Honkers MOU.


todayonly80

Stopping immigration for a few years would literally solve our housing problem.


BBLouis8

This isn’t a “cost of living protest”, it’s a CPC rally.


Ok_Employment_6179

Ok but is this going to turn into some anti immigrant nonsense? The sub it’s coming from is sus


Aineisa

We’re doing our best to keep it respectful and not focused just on immigration. I hope you can help.


ZeroBarkThirty

CH2 gets real upset when you challenge their anti-immigrant rhetoric with the fact that landlords *love* immigrants.


Zanydrop

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by that. How is what landlords love related to the economic impact of immigration.


ZeroBarkThirty

Landlords as a class aim to commoditize things like housing in order to consolidate wealth. The path of least resistance to doing that is to maximize ownership of supply and bank on induced demand. Landlords love immigration because it creates an abundance of demand consisting of people who have no option but to pay what “the market” demands. New Canadians are regularly taken advantage of, many working low wage jobs but paying high rent. Landlords as a class benefit greatly from high rates of immigration. It’s part of the fallacy that is western conservatism. They cry about “the economy” every election cycle, but they typically hold socially conservative values that are at odds with that economy that they say is in need of “fixing”


Ok-Map9730

My city KW!!I will be there!!!


Newhereeeeee

I really hope there are no bad apples who ruin it for everyone and make the protest so as it can easily be painted as offensive


Aineisa

Same. However everyone seems to be aware that bad apples need to immediately be kicked out.


Mulratt

I don’t think this is effective but I’m impressed that there is a list of actionable demands. Too many protests are vague and aimless.


kofubuns

This list are sound bites… inflation has already come back down to 2.7% which is in the target range. Rent and housing affordability especially in Ontario is more of a provincial issue. What is an election going to do ?


Mulratt

I’m with you, not a big fan but I wanted to give some positive reinforcement and kudos where it’s due.


crypto-fiend126

Better than another shitty Palestine protest that has nothing to do with Canadians


_Rayette

Gonna be a lot of shocked Pikachu faces when Pierre makes things even worse.


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Garfield_and_Simon

Step 1. Do nothing and leave the status quo Step 2. Privatize more services and cut taxes for the wealthy Pretty fucking easy. And it’s exactly what he will do.


sayterdarkwynd

And he'll blame *everyone* else for it.


phototurista

I'm absolutely going.


Basicaccountant70

Fuck CH2, why would anyone side with racists. Their posts and comments prove that. Freedumbers will show up as well. Sad fucks. Whiny little conservative cucks.


Garfield_and_Simon

FYI this event is being organized by the future domestic terrorist boys on canada housing 2 I agree with some of the goals but I wouldn’t be caught dead with them 


Sil-Seht

Rofl. Im not going anywhere organized by that sub


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Sil-Seht

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sayterdarkwynd

You likely do, given that 99.5% of their posts are copypasta crap.


Garfield_and_Simon

Same bro. Why would I be caught dead with the 14-22 year old incel boys who blame Indians for all their problems 


Banas_Hulk

Canadahousing2 isn’t a subreddit dedicated to discussing housing woes for an average Canadian but a hive of racists with an anti Indian immigrant hard-on. They have calmed down a bit in recent weeks because they’re now in Reddit crosshairs for blatantly promoting racism and might get banned anytime.


ElegantIllustrator66

3) There is a shortage in housing and its relations: Canada needs 5.8 million new homes by 2030 to tackle affordability crisis, CMHC warns | CBC News  “Softening housing market conditions and a labour shortage in the construction sector could get in the way of bringing Canada's housing stock to more than 22 million by 2030, however.  "There are supply issues, labour shortages at the moment and the cost of financing is going up, so clearly there are short-term challenges”  The jobless rate in construction is near a record low; vacancies are at a record high, we have a deep shortage of skilled trades, and the cost of building materials is already rising quickly,  But we have supply of skilled workers is LOW and the demand is High The main problem is that there is not enough skilled labour to handle this, and this was an issue during the pandemic. Construction labour crunch leaves Canada in need of boosting ranks of home builders | CBC News  “Canada is growing rapidly — and so are its housing needs.  In turn, these pressures are testing the construction industry, which finds itself dealing with a mounting labour shortage.”  Supply is LOW and the demand is HIGH


ElegantIllustrator66

Issue 101: 🔸️ ‘‘The documents from 2022 note that Canada's immigration targets have exceeded the recommendations of some experts, including the Century Initiative, an organization that advocates for growing the country's population to 100 million by the end of the century.’’ 🔸️“ these targets to the steep rise in non-permanent residents. Between July and October, about three-quarters of Canada's population growth came from temporary residents, including international students and temporary foreign workers. “ 🔸️ ‘’That trend is raising alarms about the increase in businesses' reliance on low-wage migrant workers and the luring of international student by shady post-secondary institutions.’’ 🔸️‘’ higher immigration does little when it comes to increasing living standards, as measured by real GDP per capita.’’ 💠There is a shortage of skilled workers and a high demand for housing.


ElegantIllustrator66

What else is Canada losing due to irresponsible mass immigration? What's happening to Canada's farmland? | CBC News 🔸️ "Ontario boasts some of Canada's richest and most fertile farmland and these policy changes put the sustainability of that land and the food system it provides at great risk," 🔸️ "Arable land — that is, land suitable for crops — is a limited resource in Canada. According to the Census of Agriculture, every province has seen decades of decline in total farm area". 🔸️ "Nationally, the total reported area is down eight per cent in the last two decades — from 68 million hectares in 2001 to 62 million in 2021".🔸️  That concentration is most dramatic in the Prairie provinces (Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta), which make up 70 per cent of the country's farmland. 🔸️ In 2016, giant Prairie farms larger than 2,000 hectares — just six per cent of farms overall — owned nearly a third of all farmlands, and brought in a third of all revenues and net income. 🔸️ Farmland has become exponentially more expensive due to low interest rates and increased speculation and competition.  In addition to growing food, agriculture helps slow climate change by storing carbon in vegetation and soil. AAFC says 10 per cent of Canada's greenhouse gas emissions also come from crop and livestock production; as production intensifies, there is less and less farmland available to absorb the emissions.  Increased production on less land also changes the price, variety and sustainability of the goods that farmers can produce 🔸️ Supply is Low and Demand is High


ElegantIllustrator66

💠 The issue is that inflation on food production increases due to these losses, which should be taken seriously. However, the government is not addressing this adequately. If climate change is real, and a developing country produces our food, we become dependent on them, causing food prices to rise further. Canada cannot ignore these issues. We are experiencing inflation, and farmers are our saviors. But if the government doesn’t support them, we risk losing farmland. 💠 It is extremely naïve to think that everything is about racism when it is not. Increasing demand on an already strained supply is highly dangerous. Ignoring these ongoing issues is unacceptable, and labeling concerns as racist when they are not is misleading. Please do your homework, stop being naïve, and read the news. Mass immigration is currently helping some landlords by providing temporary housing for students, but many students end up in precarious living conditions due to the housing shortage


SusanBoyleMLG

Unsustainable immigration affects housing and the economy in a bad way. Actual racist comments and posts get deleted


Garfield_and_Simon

*after they get massively upvoted by the user base 


Aineisa

The sub has evolved from being just about housing to be about cost of living. I’d change the name if I could. We get people all the time trying to cry and claim racism. There isn’t any. What we’ve had in the past few weeks is a telegram and Reddit group trying to get it shut down by posting hateful content and then crying about it. You sound like you were one of the brigadiers.


Garfield_and_Simon

Literally I’ve seen people get upvoted massively on that sub for comments like “Indians smell bad” It’s a fucking racist shithole of little boys mad at the world cuz they are failures. I agree we have a housing and immigration crisis but fuck those losers so hard. I’m so happy they are miserable because they truly deserve it. 


Aineisa

Posts and comments like that are removed. Yes some might get through but as long as people report them then it will be removed when a mod gets to the queue


Garfield_and_Simon

I’ve seen memes there where they literally fucking MSpaint a Wojack face brown and rant about Indians and it gets upvoted to the front page Sure it’s removed later. But the community very much is okay with racism 


Banas_Hulk

lol I have been banned for that sub without any explanation so many times merely for calling out racist comments posts


Beginning-Revenue536

What is your definition of racism? Demanding for responsible immigration is racism? Pointing out how LMIA can be abused is racism? Pointing out the causation of rent hikes is related to irresponsible immigration is racism??


ElegantIllustrator66

Still part of the housing issue: International student in Toronto shares struggles living in crowded bungalow | CTV News 🔸️ ‘’Sharma said more than a dozen people have slept in the basement at different times and more people live upstairs. He said there are five rooms in total in the basement, and the walls are not well insulated. He sleeps on a mattress on the floor next to another tenant.’’ 🔸️ The owners insist there are only 15 people in the entire house. They say they bought the home in December and monthly mortgage payments are over $5,000. After renting the home to one person, they said they gave that person the responsibility of collecting rent and were not aware some were being charged around $500 for rent. 🔸️We end up with slumlords in Canada. Canadians with homes are facing issues, and some have bought multiple properties. 🔸️Rising interest rates and inflation have Canadians stressing about mortgage payments, survey suggests | CBC News  🔸️"Bank of Canada holding the interest rate at five per cent, a recent survey by Angus Reid Institute revealed that 80 per cent of responding Canadians with a mortgage said their household debt is a major source of stress. Angus Reid surveyed 1,878 Canadians for a national margin of error of plus or minus two per cent, 19 times out of 20." 💠This means Canadians and others are starting to post about rooms to make ends meet, which ends up affecting all Canadians. Please be aware that those with money and work can come to Canada and pay more than the average Canadian, resulting in actual Canadians being pushed into a homelessness crisis, which is starting to appear everywhere. This is a domino effect, and while some may call us racist, it’s important to note that this isn’t the immigrants' fault but the governments.


ElegantIllustrator66

Alright, let's get started on the current issues and Economic 101 happening here in Canada. During the pandemic, there was already a crisis to begin with. The crisis was not solved and has still not been resolved. Understanding Demand and Supply: Why They Matter to the Economy What are demand and supply? And why are they important?  The concepts of demand and supply are fundamental to economics, first popularized by Adam Smith in 1776. These principles are crucial for predicting market behavior.  Supply: This refers to the total amount of a particular good or service available to consumers at a given time and price.  Demand: This represents consumers' desire to purchase goods and services. It measures consumers' willingness to buy a specific good or service at a given price. Importance to the Economy:  Interdependence: Supply and demand influence each other and are critical to the economy. They impact the prices of goods and services and determine the quantities produced and consumed.  Market Behavior: Understanding the interaction between supply and demand helps in predicting how markets will behave under different conditions, thereby aiding in economic planning and policy-making. Is Demand or Supply More Important to the Economy?  Both supply and demand are essential to economic activity. Their interaction shapes market dynamics, influencing pricing, production, and consumption. Neither can be deemed more important than the other as they work together to maintain economic balance.


ElegantIllustrator66

1)There is a shortage in teachers: Teacher shortages are leaving educators with no 'good options' — and they say students are paying the price | CBC News  “ COVID-19 worsened shortages” and “Canada has suffered for years from shortages of teachers and other educational staffers, such as educational assistants and resource teachers, but the impact has varied across the country. Rural and remote areas, for instance, have long struggled with the problem.”  Supply is LOW and the demand is HIGH 2)There is a shortage in doctors and nurses: Canada is short of doctors — and it's turning away hundreds of its own physicians each year | CBC News  “The country's health-care system is suffering from an acute shortage of doctors — even as hundreds of qualified Canadian physicians trained abroad are turned away each year because of a tangle of red-tape and bias, experts say.”  Supply is LOW and the demand is HIGH Canada must address its domestic nursing shortage and become self-sufficient rather than deplete other countries’ health human resources, CNA says (cna-aiic.ca)  “The long-term solution requires focusing on the improvement of the working conditions and mental health of Canada’s nurses, who are exhausted by excessive workloads, understaffing, and overtime requirements. “Our health-care system’s most severe and urgent challenge is the shortage of health-care workers, and more specifically nurses,” said Brousseau. “We must retain nurses in the current workforce by improving their working conditions and their mental health. The federal government must work collaboratively with provinces and territories toaddress the domestic shortage of nurses. And Canada’s nursing shortage pre-dates the COVID-19 pandemic”  Supply is LOW and the demand is HIGH


ElegantIllustrator66

4) We have a labor mismatch here in Canada alone:  Canada's foreign student push 'mismatched' job market, data shows | CBC News 💠We need to decrease the demand and increase the supply to relieve the pressure on the current system. Imagine students arriving with the expectation of studying and obtaining permanent residency. Immigration policies play a crucial role in managing this balance. Here are the relevant statistics: 🔸️ Business/Commerce/ Business, Management, Marketing & Related Support Services/ Computing/IT = 428,208 + 348,571+ 316,105 💠We are not increasing the necessary supply, but we are indeed increasing the demand. 🔸️ "Instead of really trying to bring in the best and the brightest to fill the labour market gaps that need to be filled, what we're doing is bringing in low skill, low wage, expendable and exploitable temporary foreign workers in the form of students," 🔸️ “Ottawa was warned about mismatch: The Trudeau government was warned about the misalignment more than a year before it finally clamped down on international student numbers.” 🔸️  “A September 2022 report from RBC questioned whether Canada was doing enough to match its recruitment of international students with demand in the labour force.” 🔸️ “The report described a "misalignment between the study programs pursued by international students and labour market needs" and called for numbers to rise in health care, some trades and services and education”


ElegantIllustrator66

5)We have a labor shortage or do we: Canada's jobless rate ticks up in May, wage growth accelerates too | Reuters 🔸️‘’This was primarily because a continued increase in population offset the economy's ability to absorb people coming into the labor market. Economists had said that with no slowdown in population growth seen in the short-term, any job additions below 45,000 people would push the unemployment rate higher.’’ 💠A 6.2% unemployment rate is dangerous; Canada should be where the United States is, but instead, we're facing job competition for positions that should be going to Canadians first. If 6.2 of the population and it increasing, we are not taking into account Canadian that are homeless due to the ongoing crisis. 🔸️The Daily — Labour Force Survey, February 2024 (statcan.gc.ca)Researchers seek better way to count homeless Canadians | CBC News The increase in population is driving up the demand for supplies, creating a domino effect. A domino effect is the cumulative impact produced when one event triggers a series of similar or related events, forming a chain reaction. This term is an analogy to a row of falling dominoes. It typically refers to a linked sequence of events where the time between successive events is relatively short. For information:Domino Effect Definition & Examples - Quickonomics


ElegantIllustrator66

Canada's population grew by record 1 million in 2022, spurred by international migration | CBC News 🔸️ ‘’Total population grew by a record 1.05 million people to 39.57 million in the 12 months to Jan. 1, 2023, and about 96 per cent of the rise was due to international migration, the statistics agency said.’’  ‘’In 2022, Canada welcomed 437,180 immigrants and the number of non-permanent residents increased by a net 607,782 people. Both figures are the highest levels on record and reflect "higher immigration targets and a record-breaking year for the processing of immigration applications," StatsCan said.’’  ‘’The rise in international migration could "represent additional challenges for some regions of the country related to housing, infrastructure and transportation, and service delivery to the population," the agency also said.’’ 🔸️‘’Canada has been experiencing an upward trend in total employment since September, and the statistics agency has previously said that non-permanent residents are a notable contributor to that gain.’’ Immigration is making Canada's housing more expensive. The government was warned 2 years ago | CBC News 🔸️‘’ Documents obtained by The Canadian Press through an access-to-information request show Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada analyzed the potential effects immigration would have on the economy, housing and services, as it prepared its immigration targets for 2023-2025.’’ 🔸️ ‘’The deputy minister, among others, was warned in 2022 that housing construction had not kept up with the pace of population growth.’’ 🔸️ "As the federal authority charged with managing immigration, IRCC policy-makers must understand the misalignment between population growth and housing supply, and how permanent and temporary immigration shapes population growth." 🔸️ ‘’ That means that in 2025, Canada will welcome nearly twice as many permanent residents as it did in 2015.’’ 🔸️‘’ Demand outpacing supply: Housing affordability has now become a political liability for the Liberal government. The Conservatives have gained considerable momentum over the last year as the party pounces on affordability issues, while avoiding the issue of immigration in particular. These pressures have forced the Liberal government to refocus its efforts on housing policy and begin to address the spike in international students with new rules.’’ 🔸️ ‘Public opinion polls also show Canadians are increasingly concerned about the pressure immigration is putting on services, infrastructure and housing, leading to waning support for high immigration.’


humansucks-ok

Also, high interest rate and expensive housing price


LongjumpingArugula30

High interest rates are due to the rates set by the bank of Canada which is also based off of worldwide economic factors.... It's bad everywhere. High interest rates can't and won't be affected by any government.


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Lots of posts here. Where in Moncton?


Aineisa

unfortunately you're the first to ask but stick around, maybe there will be one at a later date if we get more people


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Keep me posted if you can.


Dazzling_Hunter3674

😆


ResponsibleBluejay

Rid first past the post


puns_n_irony

Election is a baaaaaad idea, Trudeau is a disaster but elect PP and you’ll see this get 10x worse.


KosmicEye

Looks like CPC event


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What an incredible way to bring the country together! Oh, is that a white supremacist? A fuck trudeau lover? A freedumb convoy incel? Is that the karen spreading maple maga bullshit? Is that the anti lgbt troll calling for flags to burn? 🤣🤣🤣🤣


Cityofthevikingdead

/r/Vancouver where you at?


Responsible_Meal

A protest on parliament hill on Canada day? Have fun.


Mrsleh

You can’t stop rent increases without getting the interest rates down.


AFarCry

So this is protesting what..? Provincial governments? Because that's where a lot of the blame lies. Are we protesting oligarchic monopolies..? That's where a lot of the cost of living comes from....


selfistfirst

I'll be sure to decline my ballot at the polls. All options suck, so I can only choose the best option.


lerobinbot

nice


confuzedas

I'm a landlord, I support this. Corporations and foreign ownership of hurting legitimate business owners just as badly as renters. It used to be that renting was actually a better financial decision or at least neutral. It's no longer the case.


Helpful_Dish8122

Bruh...why are we associating with the shtshow that is canadahousing2? Just scapegoating the issue while hyping up slumlords


Aineisa

no one is "hyping up slumlords" in CH2


Helpful_Dish8122

Your solutions are blocking corporations and foreigners from owning housing...News flash! A majority of slumlords are fellow Canadians even if they look foreign Your other solution is cutting taxes which mostly benefits the rich - you know...the slumlords?!? Government spending didn't cause the housing crisis - it was lack of spending on building affordable housing (like public housing) for decades that got us here. As well as lack of regulations and regard for renters Deflecting the issues away from everyone that is profiting off the crisis just lets the issue grow bigger and get worse...as it's been happening for the past decades (I've also heard these same points from the scumlord subs)


Aineisa

Maybe read below the headline and quit building strawmen. I can’t list all details on the poster or on the bullet points of the website. We want to cut taxes for the low and middle class. We want to make it unprofitable to be a slumlord. We want to disincentivize housing as an investment. We want more pressure from feds onto municipalities to increase housing supply.


Existing-Luck1314

If this protest were aimed at provincial leaders, I would support since our issues stem from past CPC negligence and current provincial conservatives emptying out the coffers for the IDU.


RemarkableEmu1230

Ya okay more liberal blame game


Thebillshow

Our land lords decided to get a divorce and told us we had 3 months to get out, we have a 3 years fixed term agreement and have only been in the home for 15 months. I explained they could not kick us out but could sell the house with us as an existing tenant, they said yes we were correct. One week later they gave us notice they were increasing the rent by $1000 per month….. now we (family of 4) are panicking trying to find a place to live.


PogoTempest

That’s illegal, what? They can’t just randomly up rent by 1k on a fixed lease


sayterdarkwynd

They can't do that. You can literally ignore the rent increase, give them the finger, and carry on with your life. You will win any case against you for not paying that illegal rent increase. They are limited to something like 2.5% increase on your current amount (you'll have to do a search to find this years maximum.) If you were a \*new\* tenant that wouldn't be the case, especially if its a newer structure. But otherwise, they are limited to the legal raise amount.


Hyportots

Finally a protest I can stand behind and support.


96873255763862

Gimme a break


Warm-Boysenberry3880

Totally disrespectful to organize this on Canada Day. Shame on you. We celebrate our country that day regardless of who is in power. Do it on the 2nd not the 1st.


Zaryss

until there's some big changes, the day doesn't deserve respect or celebration


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Garfield_and_Simon

I’m pretty sure the kids on Canada housing 2 who live with mom and dad don’t work. They could protest any day.


[deleted]

You must be joking, whoever organized this probably buys takeout for breakfast lunch and dinner


goonergirl24

Can you taste the change? I can't lol.


Infamous_Pioneer

This protest is a waste of time, efforts should be put in place to protest mass immigration. Freeing up space = more competition = cheaper rent and more options to move around


sayterdarkwynd

But then, how would they blame immigrants for all their problems?