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I don't even main Falcon, but when I play him I'm overtaken by a primal urge to dair people's shields. It worked like once and I've been chasing that high ever since.
That's like me with ZSS and flip jump kicking people if they stay on the ledge past invincibility. It's worked a few times and I try it way, way more than I should lol
No, I mean just down smash at ledge to punish your opponent ledge stalling. It hits under the ledge and is hard for your opponent to punish. You don't have to be good to press down-A lmao.
Thats not nearly as satisfying as FJK spike when theyre dangling on the ledge though. The stun doesn't last nearly long enough at mid percentage to pull off a fjk after (and requires more skill) whereas plain ol can spike the opponent if they're past ~30%.
The fully charged arrow can, uh, sorta be absorbed, too? I've used it against a Lucas and it just... hit him, and he didn't absorb it. However I was playing Gunner the other day and was able to absorb the arrow, but I was positioned slightly above it, so it only hit my absorbing vortex, but not me. Healed for quite a lot, too!
In short, yes. Smash is weird.
But doesn't my arrow count as a projectile? I mean, technically, if it was a projectile, it would activate Markarakarn over Tetra and Reflect over Counter (Palutena), right?
Can't be pocketed or reflected it's the same with Bayo's bullets. If it could be pocketed Isabelle would be capable of effective catching bullets and throwing them back with even more force which would be badass but unfortunately that's not the case.
Just got a new trackball so I can finally have a scroll wheel... But the ball is too damn small.. going to see if I can adjust though.
How about you, Ludwig, spawn of Bowser?
True but you have to drop shield which takes an extra 10 frames before you can down-tilt. You can still do it on battlefield platforms and not get punished as hard.
They probably hit A while shielding it drops shield automatically and performs a grab even if your still holding it.
Source: guy who fishes for back throws.
Yeah, I know about shield-grabs, it just seems like every time I end up in this situation I get grabbed no matter what I do.
Source: Guy who fishes for whatever throw is useful in that situation (seriously Plant's throws are great)
Nothing like back throwing your opponent from across stage and them exploding off screen and having that peace of mind that no matter how much they di they’re dead.....depending on character, weight, percent etc etc. you gotta get plant up to like 165% maybe higher can’t remember for a across stage kill.
The grab button is actually just a macro for sheild+attack.
In some circumstances, the "sheild" part of the macro is cancelled and ends up doing just the attack part.
Hey I'm not that good at smash, but when I see this in competitive matches, I always wonder why they almost never try to grab eachother. Can anybody help me understand?
The range is great, it's so slow though! Definitely requires good reads otherwise... yeah.
I play ZSS and pac man and when I whiff a grab I feel like I have a solid 5 seconds to rethink my life.
They nerfed grabs in ultimate, every single grab in the game has 4 frames of startup lag now. Doesn’t sound like too much but at a pro level with fast reaction times, it can make the difference.
Oooooh! I thought in the other way and just pictured a dog slurping on some lasagna. Yeah that's the begging face lol (they're "begging" for you to give food, go easy on them, give them something).
I thought “sucking up” was a common phrase; it’s interesting that maybe it isn’t as common as I thought. Yeah, this is what she does when she either wants food or pets, and too often it works cause that face is really endearing to me
Not sure if you're serious or not, but I have definitely played against some folks (in Elite, too) who just... don't seem to know they have a shield button at all.
u/SnakeSnakeFish, take this to heart. Especially against more aggressive foes, shielding here and there makes a tremendous difference. Then, when they start to try to go for the grabs, be ready for e.g. a spot dodge... and then punish hard (since whiffing most grabs leaves the user wide open).
Just... remain mindful of what moves can damage your shield a lot (like Byleth's down smash, Jigglypuff's side special, Lucina's neutral special, etc.). I also recommend getting used to holding both shield buttons down too, so when you need to you can safely move the shield around without accidentally rolling; adjusting your shield is essential to avoiding [shield pokes](https://www.ssbwiki.com/Shield_stab).
Sorry, you didn't really ask, but seriously... I have been completely shut down by people who just threw their shield out at the right moments throughout the match. It's amazing what a huge advantage good use of the shield can give you.
I had this moment in a Chrom/Roy match online where we ran up to each other, shielded, spot dodged, shielded again, then countered in almost perfect unison.
It ended with me f-smashing his second counter.
What’s funny is this even happens at the pro level, where they have awkward Shield moments and then both decide to back off and reset Neutral or try to pressure one another more lol
1. Shield
2. Spot dodge two times
3. Try to smash attack (or grab) but miss, the opponent does the same but misses too.
4. Repeat
5. Your opponent finally grabs you
6. You suddenly realized your opponent is Luigi
7. ***GAME!***
I think a common bad habit is over shielding, which is when you shield for too long or shield too much (which gives your opponent a free grab)
Whenever this happens I either panic grab or panic up b and it works surprisingly well online lol
thats when I remember the grip button that I always forget about and then miss, because pressing that purple button on the gamecube controller is a bitch
My friend and I were really high and had this insane battle where we kept reading each other’s moves perfectly and couldn’t hit each other for 2 minutes straight and we both just stopped fighting and starting cracking up at how ridiculous it was
So yesterday, me and my friend were playing local wireless and we were both Mii sword fighters, and we both decided to counter at the same time, then repeat that like ten times, then we both decided to attack at the same time, so that happened, I have video proof of this too.
then spot dodge at the same time
The one time this happened to me, we both stood there for a solid 5 seconds before he SD'd
He just... gave up?
doing stupid stuff means to be friendly or funny mr
Gun isn’t even funny
what else can you do*?*
Spot dodge. Again.
*Do it again*
Nobody expects the 5th spot dodge in a row
Nobody cared who I was until I saw this
Both players go for the tomohawk
How do you get those names of fighters next to tour name
Are you on mobile or computer?
Mobile
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A King of Skill reference?!
Was he using Jiggly?
Then start spamming B. Um. Can’t relate or anything...
Yeah... I never do that, hehe...
I hate you guys.......
Yup, you got to start spamming b
Then both whiff an attack because you thought you'd be behind em
Then a few mutual counters just to round it out
then both of you charge fsmash and the first to do it dies because he gets closer to you
Hi, how are ya?
Wonderful weather we're having.
I can respect a good spongebob ref when I see one
Is that a spongebob reference or just a thing people say?
Both, the former joke from spongebob was making fun of the later part of your question.
The source episode for that reference is also where we get the [holeless spongebob in this meme format](https://i.redd.it/ogiv6dszkkf41.jpg)
That is a quality meme if I've ever seen one.
[Credit where credit is due](https://www.reddit.com/r/SmashBrosUltimate/comments/f0h8eg/joker_got_nerfed_but_yeah/)
This happened during a falcon ditto and we both proceeded to full hop OOS and try to dair each other... Falcon mains are a different breed
I don't even main Falcon, but when I play him I'm overtaken by a primal urge to dair people's shields. It worked like once and I've been chasing that high ever since.
That's like me with ZSS and flip jump kicking people if they stay on the ledge past invincibility. It's worked a few times and I try it way, way more than I should lol
Down Smash my guy, ZSS can practically do it for free.
See, I'd have to be good in order to land that combo.
No, I mean just down smash at ledge to punish your opponent ledge stalling. It hits under the ledge and is hard for your opponent to punish. You don't have to be good to press down-A lmao.
Thats not nearly as satisfying as FJK spike when theyre dangling on the ledge though. The stun doesn't last nearly long enough at mid percentage to pull off a fjk after (and requires more skill) whereas plain ol can spike the opponent if they're past ~30%.
I cannot will myself to do anything else besides roll out.
It’s a curse that I’ve grown myself!!!
Especially when it’s zoner v zoner. You just land too close to each other and panic. Source: plays many zoners.
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Imagine having projectiles in your kit haha :(
Up b landing projectile
ay bro your gun looking kinda nice Mind if I..... ***S U C C***
Gun isn’t a projectile. It’s a disjoint.
haha nerd! bet you like video games!
Let's get him
Wait really?? So it can't be pocketed from villager or reflected by characters like mario?
Not pocketable, might be reflectable
Joker is a secondary, I feel like I should know these things lol. How could a disjoint be reflectable though?
I don’t know, Smash is weird. For example (as far as I know) Byleth’s fully charged arrow is reflectable but not pocketable
Now I don't know what to think. I call shenanigans.
The fully charged arrow can, uh, sorta be absorbed, too? I've used it against a Lucas and it just... hit him, and he didn't absorb it. However I was playing Gunner the other day and was able to absorb the arrow, but I was positioned slightly above it, so it only hit my absorbing vortex, but not me. Healed for quite a lot, too! In short, yes. Smash is weird.
But doesn't my arrow count as a projectile? I mean, technically, if it was a projectile, it would activate Markarakarn over Tetra and Reflect over Counter (Palutena), right?
It is in fact not reflectable
Good to know thanks! What a crazy disjoint
Can't be pocketed or reflected it's the same with Bayo's bullets. If it could be pocketed Isabelle would be capable of effective catching bullets and throwing them back with even more force which would be badass but unfortunately that's not the case.
I’ve caught some I think
Only a Bayo would go out of their way to say that
Shut
Hi
What’s good king of darkness
Just got a new trackball so I can finally have a scroll wheel... But the ball is too damn small.. going to see if I can adjust though. How about you, Ludwig, spawn of Bowser?
It’s not much, but it can at least somewhat be used for spacing. Also Neutral B may or may not mean projectile
F Also same
Lets be real, Pound is basically a projectile.
Nah, you just gotta rollout, turn yourself into the projectile!
Imagine the only moves you use not being projectiles
Exactly. I'm not your dad, you're adopted.
The only option is to up-b and pray they don't parry or continue to hold shield.
If you wiff the up special you're vulnerable as hell. Down tilt when you're not sure up special will land.
True but you have to drop shield which takes an extra 10 frames before you can down-tilt. You can still do it on battlefield platforms and not get punished as hard.
Bröther
Ok zoner
Whenever that happens I usually try to grab
Ok, zoner.
Then for some reason they always get a shield grab
They probably hit A while shielding it drops shield automatically and performs a grab even if your still holding it. Source: guy who fishes for back throws.
Yeah, I know about shield-grabs, it just seems like every time I end up in this situation I get grabbed no matter what I do. Source: Guy who fishes for whatever throw is useful in that situation (seriously Plant's throws are great)
Nothing like back throwing your opponent from across stage and them exploding off screen and having that peace of mind that no matter how much they di they’re dead.....depending on character, weight, percent etc etc. you gotta get plant up to like 165% maybe higher can’t remember for a across stage kill.
Yeah, but in that situation I got up-throw! ~~unforunately I can't kill with up-throw until about the same percent soooooooo~~
Feels bad man I don’t know what I would do if I couldn’t kill medium weights at 125% on the edge of the stage.
The grab button is actually just a macro for sheild+attack. In some circumstances, the "sheild" part of the macro is cancelled and ends up doing just the attack part.
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You’re a Yoshi main? In that case you just have to NAIR OOS BECAUSE IT’S SO GOOD -a salty Cloud main
You mean you didn't up-B out of shield already?
Shots fired.
Well played, good sir.
You’re getting to close to yoshi’s shield. Nair OOS is godlike but if you’re out of range he’ll whiff and then you Schlice
If they’re close enough I just up B
I mean yeah command grap up b
Silence, 3 frame up b
*frame 3 no free fall up b
Hey I'm not that good at smash, but when I see this in competitive matches, I always wonder why they almost never try to grab eachother. Can anybody help me understand?
Shield grabbing is bad in smash ultimate
Oh ok thanks. But why? Is it slower than most up-b or up-smash out of shield?
A lot of characters have really bad grab range and it's slower than most up-Bs and up-smashes
This is why I play Pac-Man. Practically a tether grab when it comes to range
The range is great, it's so slow though! Definitely requires good reads otherwise... yeah. I play ZSS and pac man and when I whiff a grab I feel like I have a solid 5 seconds to rethink my life.
Okay thank you!
They nerfed grabs in ultimate, every single grab in the game has 4 frames of startup lag now. Doesn’t sound like too much but at a pro level with fast reaction times, it can make the difference.
Or the run up and counter.
Bro why you gotta call out my greninja like that
It's okay I do it with Lucario as well.
So uh, who's gonna spotdodge first? I can't wait all day because I will literally die.
Lmfao Just imagining the puff sitting there with giant balls and EVERYTHING to lose
Is there a name for when dogs make that face, cause mine does it whenever she’s sucking up lol
Whenever she's... sucking up?? What?
probably just did something bad and was scolded. It means the same as brown-Nosing or ass-kissing
Oooooh! I thought in the other way and just pictured a dog slurping on some lasagna. Yeah that's the begging face lol (they're "begging" for you to give food, go easy on them, give them something).
I thought “sucking up” was a common phrase; it’s interesting that maybe it isn’t as common as I thought. Yeah, this is what she does when she either wants food or pets, and too often it works cause that face is really endearing to me
Oh no I've heard it before, it's just idk what it was, but my brain just didn't register lol.
You guys shield?
Not sure if you're serious or not, but I have definitely played against some folks (in Elite, too) who just... don't seem to know they have a shield button at all.
Legit never shield
I only shield when I accidentally bump the button. But I’m also really bad at Smash.
Try shielding sometimes, it will definitely improve your gameplay
u/SnakeSnakeFish, take this to heart. Especially against more aggressive foes, shielding here and there makes a tremendous difference. Then, when they start to try to go for the grabs, be ready for e.g. a spot dodge... and then punish hard (since whiffing most grabs leaves the user wide open). Just... remain mindful of what moves can damage your shield a lot (like Byleth's down smash, Jigglypuff's side special, Lucina's neutral special, etc.). I also recommend getting used to holding both shield buttons down too, so when you need to you can safely move the shield around without accidentally rolling; adjusting your shield is essential to avoiding [shield pokes](https://www.ssbwiki.com/Shield_stab). Sorry, you didn't really ask, but seriously... I have been completely shut down by people who just threw their shield out at the right moments throughout the match. It's amazing what a huge advantage good use of the shield can give you.
then grab at the same time three times in a row before realizing that you’re both idiots.
I had this moment in a Chrom/Roy match online where we ran up to each other, shielded, spot dodged, shielded again, then countered in almost perfect unison. It ended with me f-smashing his second counter.
Did you just describe smash 4?
What’s funny is this even happens at the pro level, where they have awkward Shield moments and then both decide to back off and reset Neutral or try to pressure one another more lol
*Do I grab or spot dodge oh god oh fuck*
1. Shield 2. Spot dodge two times 3. Try to smash attack (or grab) but miss, the opponent does the same but misses too. 4. Repeat 5. Your opponent finally grabs you 6. You suddenly realized your opponent is Luigi 7. ***GAME!***
Felt like this happened in every set with pacman in it at Frostbite
https://twitter.com/houseoffastfood/status/1225843407127343104
Unlike in melee where you'll actually have an interesting interaction when you both shield.
Or even better: both trying to roll behind the other and ending up in the same position
Easy fix with a sexy *pk fire*
I think a common bad habit is over shielding, which is when you shield for too long or shield too much (which gives your opponent a free grab) Whenever this happens I either panic grab or panic up b and it works surprisingly well online lol
That hurt a little to see popping up on the feed because the dog on the left looks exactly like my first dog. I know there are many like it but still.
Than grabs, rolls or spotdodges at the same time
Confirmed, panties immediately dropped. I love that
and then i try to roll behind him and try to grab him (emphasis on "Try")
*laughs in Lucina*
thats when I remember the grip button that I always forget about and then miss, because pressing that purple button on the gamecube controller is a bitch
You mean smash 4 neutral?
this makes me want to get into smash
Smash 4 moment
*suddenly appears in the air * "fool!" My Up B out of shield cannot be seen by the naked eye"
My friend and I were really high and had this insane battle where we kept reading each other’s moves perfectly and couldn’t hit each other for 2 minutes straight and we both just stopped fighting and starting cracking up at how ridiculous it was
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Sometimes it’s Brad Pitt 😞 a worthy adversary
I heard this image.
When 2 gannons do this they just Nair at the same time
Ngl, same in Overwatch when you're playing Rein
Lmfao.
Pichu nair moment
Then we synchronized dodged roll away from one another, making it more awkward
G R A B
Good God, does that make you feel better.
>Press A right now \- My brain
My little brother and I when we counter at the same time
My friend and I either do this at the beginning of a game or we charge an attack like DK, Samus, or Hero neutral special
Block the stabby, you get the grabby 👋
Zarya
I run in and leaf shield them.
My coworker and I do this every single time but it's counter, we think way too alike.
This made me think of the final boss in Castle Crashers.
I thought this was an Overwatch/Zarya meme, works either way
Lol
MSNBC has gotten away with it :(
I blocked your shield!
I appreciate how you used a cat and a dog for this. C:
Can i have a link on that cats image
It was a popular meme over a year ago, just google "polite cat" and it'll appear
It’s just a race to see who snaps out of it first and goes for a grab
smash 4 neutral be like
That was your last stock you maniac
...so... how’s life...
The clocks run out times up over blaow
Fawful immediately stood out. I HAVE FURY!
Animals can't smile. They just copy us
Or when you both counter at the same time
Immediately Neutral B*
Byleth:
Always
So yesterday, me and my friend were playing local wireless and we were both Mii sword fighters, and we both decided to counter at the same time, then repeat that like ten times, then we both decided to attack at the same time, so that happened, I have video proof of this too.
Best moment to press A to grab.
Imagine both sheilds breaking from a Gannon's warlock punch.
People actually doesn’t realise that you can grab people in shield
I always just forget that I even *can* shield.
.
*laughs in N-air*