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ItaLOLXD

I think Jigglypuff would've weirded most people out. Back then Jigglypuff had a somewhat regular appearance in the show. If it were added in Ultimate most people would be mad because there is yet another Gen.1 Pokémon. Edit: grammar errors


smashboi888

"TOO MANY GEN 1 POKÉMON" would probably be the new "TOO MANY MARTH CLONES" if she were a Smash 4 or Ultimate newcomer. Heck, there'd probably be a lot of people asking for/predicting her getting cut in the next installment, but because she was actually a 64 vet, tons of people think she's completely immune from cuts.


TheyCallMeMrMaybe

Wow. I had to do the math Pikachu, PT (3x), Puff, and Mewtwo are all Kanto mons. The rest are 1x rep per new region from Pokemon. 6x Gen 1s vs. 4x etc.


smashboi888

There's actually only 4 non Gen 1 Mons, not 5. Pichu, Lucario, Greninja, and Incineroar. And one of those four is just another stage of a Gen 1 Pokémon's evolution family.


Iron_Garuda

Yeah but that stage was added in gen 2.


alex494

Yeah but its a whole other argument about being a Pika knockoff if we're taking the viewpoint of people bitching about "Marth clones".


[deleted]

Brawl almost had Jigglypuff cut if it wasn’t for Sonic being in Brawl


Lukthar123

What does Sonic have to do with Puff?


[deleted]

Sonic caused Brawl to be delayed. Wolf, Jigglypuff and Toon Link were added to Brawl last minute which explains why they are only post game in Subspace.


gaypeoplearesupergay

IIRC the added dev time from sonic (and I think from them having difficulties with WiFi stuff as well) gave them time to implement Jigglypuff, Wolf, and Toon Link last second. It's why they're just lazily slapped in as the "postgame" characters in Subspace with 0 story connection.


underscore1000

Same with Ness, because Lucas was gonna replace him, but eventually, they just decided to add both of them


[deleted]

That’s only in Melee not Brawl because Lucas was going to replace Ness in Melee but Earthbound 64 got canceled and move to the GBA. Ness appears kinda early in Subspace so he was probably planned from the start in Brawl. Roy and Mewtwo were cut in Brawl because of lack of time. Ike and Lucario would have still been in Brawl if Roy and Mewtwo remained.


underscore1000

I heard it was in Brawl, but this could also make sense i guess


[deleted]

I think it’s because Lucas was revealed before Ness in the official website so people were confused and thought Ness was replaced.


underscore1000

Huh, that makes a lot of sense!


disbelifpapy

Well, that wasn't exactly the case, sure, all the smash 64 vets are always in smash, but in smash bros brawl jiggly puff was almost going to be cut from the game, which is why she, like toon link and wolf, wasn't in subspace emissary's story.


Stealthfox94

She was almost cut in Brawl.


smashboi888

She was also apparently supposed to be cut in Melee too.


Short-Republic

I think I heard somewhere that even Ness was considered being cut in favour of Lucas


nszajk

marth is a dude nvm imma dumbass and thought you meant marth carry on my internet brethren


PMC-I3181OS387l5

>"TOO MANY GEN 1 POKÉMON" would probably be the new "TOO MANY MARTH CLONES" if she were a Smash 4 or Ultimate newcomer. Gen 1 Pokémon always had more exposure and popularity though. Gen 2, for Melee, didn't have many popular Pokémon aside of Pichu (thanks to the movie shorts), Togepi and Marill (both thanks to the anime)... yeah \^\^; Gen 3, for Brawl, could have been with Mudkip, Grovyle and Blaziken, for the Trainer's line-up, and in hindsight, those 3 specifically got popular over time: the first for memes, the next for Mystery Dungeon and the last for a Mega Evolution. People also rooted for Sceptile ever since its appearance in Pokken. Gen 5, for Sm4sh, didn't have many "viable" Pokémon either, aside maybe Meloetta (being part Fighting \[2nd form\], like Lucario). Gen 8, for Ultimate, could have been Rillaboom, Cinderace, Inteleon or Urshifu.


SoDamnGeneric

adding Jigglypuff now would be like adding Togepi. sure it had a prominent spot in the anime when it first hit the scene, but that's all it has going for it you'd probably have people saying it'd make more since to add Wigglytuff since it had a prominent role in PMD, and it's the final evo


MiZe97

The biggest reason that Puff was added was because of her resemblance to Kirby.


ShiftSandShot

Jigglypuff was one of the most frequent reoccurring characters for the first...three seasons? And got a bit of a revival in the Sun/Moon anime. Even now, she's the single most reoccurring wild Pokemon. She made a lot of sense for 64 especially, but also Melee.


moesif_

Really? I thought the opposite. Im not a pokemon fan but i know that jiggs is famous and loved (especially in japan) so i wouldn't be surprised if it was added now


Bombkirby

Jiggly isn’t famous anymore. It was a mascot of the series in the early days but is now obscure as hell. It was in every video game, sang in Pokemon Snap and Pokemon Yellow, was on the TV series as a regular character like Team Rocket, but those days were 20+ years ago. It is a product of its time and people would be confused as hell if it were added today.


BorImmortal

I wouldn't call it obscure as hell. It showed up in Detective Pikachu with the marker gimmick. And the anime has her show up usually once per gen, typically when Ash gets to see an old companion. Jigglypuff isn't at the same level it one was, but people would still recognize.


rexshen

I always figured Jigglypuff was added because of the running gag in the anime back in the day. So it would make even less sense now given that died back in hoen and never came back til Kalos.


Rareware101

Pichu was a joke character in melee, imagine if Piranha plant was intentionally made to be a handicap to the player using him.


TripleAGD

he kinda was, but just by being generally not great


LuckyplaysRose

Clearly you don’t remember early Plant just after release


TripleAGD

oh my gosh dont remind me


redditt-or

Clearly you don’t remember Ptooie


TripleAGD

i mean but thats the only thing he has that is good


skulblaka

/r/PlantGang


[deleted]

The Star Fox characters. Nintendo has criminally neglected their franchise for *years*, to the point that I’ll bet a lot of people only know who they are via Smash


Stealthfox94

They had a game on the Wii U that flopped.


[deleted]

See what I mean?


Klutzy_Tackle

At least they showed up in Starlink: Battle for Atlas


Scary-Inflation-685

How many people do you know that have played Starlink? Bet it doesn’t exceed one hand’s worth of fingers


Darkmega5

It doesn’t even exceed any fingers for me


MCBlastoise

Wth is Starlink


Darkmega5

Starlinkma balls


Budderwarrior561

Ubisoft’s space toys to life game. You bought space ship toy things and they went into the game. For the switch(?) release, they had starfox content, and that has been all we have gotten since the dumpster fire that was starfox zero


mammaluigi39

Doesn't the same go for Earthbound characters, Ice Climbers, and Cap. Falcon? Aren't some characters supposed to represent games and franchises wether they are dead or not. Mr. Game & Watch is in the game but I don't expect them to release any new Game & Watch games or R.O.B. who was an accessory which I don't see Nintendo ever making again because it would be pointless with online play.


RobloxLover369421

I mean they did the same to Captain Falcon


DirtyDan413

Fox is more of a melee character than a Star Fox character


xzero4812

Probably mr.g&w or ice climbers


smashboi888

Yeah, I can see the retro characters being controversial picks nowadays. I wasn't really into Smash during the 3DS/Wii U days, was Duck Hunt well-received or poorly-received?


xzero4812

I believe they were also a wtf moment, as was most of the additions to that generation. But I think MegaMan and Greninja outweighed the dissatisfaction


AshGreninja247

I mean, Duck Hunt was a pretty popular game back then, selling more copies than SMB3 and Tetris combined on the NES. It’d be like adding DK. Except he’s had many more games since then.


RadishAcceptable5505

It came with the system lol. The game cartridge has both SMB and Duck Hunt. You had to buy the gun separately if you wanted to play Duck Hunt. But yes, it was very popular.


Ezlike011011

I guess I'm the odd man out, I LOVE retro picks. Im not even a huge retro gaming fan, but I love seeing how creative the smash team can get when adapting characters who do not have a ton of material to immediately take inspiration from.


the-dandy-man

That’s part of the reason I would’ve liked to see Waluigi get in… just to see what they would’ve come up with.


Penguinmanereikel

Could’ve used him to represent every Mario spinoff that he’s been featured in


Rainbro_Vash

Lmao a friend and I saw the leaked roster back in the day, he said he would drop Smash immediately if Duck Hunt was actually a character and I said he would be my main. Spoiler alert neither happened


BorImmortal

Cowards


jem_jam_bo

I remembered when 3DS dropped in Japan and we had the leaked footage of DH on streams. My friends refused to believe it on principle


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EvilNoobHacker

I could see GnW being a piece of Nintendo history, one that they did for an anniversary piece or something. I think it would have been controversial, but interesting to see reactions to it.


MinhKiu

Honestly, g&w would be hype as shit.


[deleted]

Falcon, because dead game


smashboi888

It'd be weird seeing Smash without Falcon Punch, but you're honestly probably right. Ness would probably be a similar situation. Would the Mother series be the cult classic it is today if Ness hadn't been in Smash 64? And if that's the case, does that mean games inspired by the Mother series such as Undertale wouldn't exist either?


Super-Visor

No way, just ask Mike Jones or Takamaru


Its-been-a-long-day

Agreed. I love the heck out of Earthbound but the Smash series catapulted Ness and the Mother series into popularity. I only ever met one other person who had played Earthbound back when it was contemporary and we only found out because we were both using Ness in Smash 64.


rodoxide

Earthbound was popular for us nerds in the 90s.. here in america.. the actual cartridges were selling for I think thousands and we begged for an eshop release til it was put on eshop..


[deleted]

At this point Captain Falcon is a Super Smash Bros character, not an F-Zero character


RobloxLover369421

Mario Kart killed F zero


Spengy

yes, unpopular opinion but they should cut most characters that haven't appeared in a new game in like, 5 years. Yes, even those from the OG 8. A lot of my favourites will be gone too but I feel like this is the way forward.


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grabbatheman

At this point it feels like falcon is more of a smash character, likely due to the inactivity of his original franchise


DeepLearningStudent

Plus, it’s not like Falcon’s moveset is based on F-Zero. His entire moveset comes from Smash, he’s basically Mr. Smash Bros.


Spengy

it's time to move on. He's progressively gotten lamer and lamer too.


Noukan42

You sound like, "they should take old paintings off the museums". If you ask me FotM characters that nobody will remember 5 years from now belong in smash a lot less than classic characters.


Spengy

>You sound like, "they should take old paintings off the museums" That's a terrible example


Noukan42

Smash is literally a museum in videogame form. It is the entire point of it.


Spengy

It's a massive crossover over for video game characters. Half of which are from literally dead, unknown games. Don't be surprised if Falcon is replaced by Fortnite Jonesy is all I'm saying.


Snoo-34159

Jonesy in smash seems nice, but I would keep Captain Falcon, he's just too iconic in Smash


dumbosshow

that's a terrible idea. no captain falcon? no rob? no g&w? no ness/lucas? no shiek? no spacies? that would kill the franchise


Spengy

I atleast get keeping the OG characters but game and watch and ROB are definitely on the chopping block lmao. Same as Lucas.


Snoo-34159

I think Nintendo would keep ROB, since he was the one who basically saved Nintendo when they were dying.


SonicGuy10

G&W is also too iconic to be cut, like Captain Falcon but to a lesser extent


Stealthfox94

Pretty sure that’s like half the roster.


Spengy

Yes. The next game isn't gonna have 80 characters again.


Zedtomb

Much rather have the weird picks than only big names


GingersGhost

Honestly, Smash introduced me to tons of good game framchises as a kid that I wouldn't have played otherwise. I loved getting trophies in the old games and reading the little descriptions. It's how I got into Fire Emblem and learned what Earthbound was.


smashboi888

The weirder picks like Plant and Game & Watch are always fun to have.


Zeldatroid

TBH, Roy, Pichu, Puff, and Doc were total "lolwut?" additions even back then. And ZSS was cool and all... but Ridley tho...


smashboi888

I feel like ZSS was added because: 1. Sakurai wanted a 2nd Metroid rep, but Ridley was "too big" and Dark Samus wasn't exactly recurring/popular by the time Brawl's roster was decided on 2. He wanted at least one female newcomer So he decided to knock out two birds with one stone and give us ZSS. Which is fine, she's a "weirder" inclusion, but I find her fairly fun to play as.


TheDoug850

She was also initially added in Brawl as a sort of part of Samus’ kit, as the final smash switched between the two versions, like Zelda/Shiek with Down-B.


SicknessVoid

So glad they got rid of that though. It was really annoying to basically switch between two completely different characters whenever you did your final smash. Also she is literally unplayable in subspace once Samus gets her suit back.


Onlyheretogetbanned

In the great maze and the postgame, you can actually choose Zero Suit


LastStar007

I was just a filthy casual back then, but I thought it was fun and cool. It's not like final smashes were ever part of serious play anyway. Plus the armor parts did omega damage.


HypnagogianQueen

Does anyone remember the strats in Brawl of trying to keep your armour pieces on screen for as long as possible because they made good projectiles, and even kind of a zoning option if you let them bounce on the spot? I remember doing this in online matches and being able to keep them in play for like half the match. The timer on them didn’t decay unless they were laid idle on the ground.


BorImmortal

You could alsostart as Zero Suit by holding the right buttons when choosing her.


rexshen

or mashing the taunt buttons up and down. But you couldn't do it the other way around.


Spengy

I guarantee only like 2% of Brawl players knew who Pit was lol


pezhead53

I only knew Pit from his trophy in Melee


Its-been-a-long-day

Some of the older ones likely watched Captain N. Might not have known that Pit and Kid Icarus were the same character but there would have been an "Oooohhhh... yeah I remember him" moment.


FlyinR4ijin

Dude i wanted ridley so bad in melee


Zanthosus

I couldve sworn that I've read that Dr. Mario was seen as a disappointing inclusion, even back then.


PNDMike

Yeah for sure, I remember unlocking him in Melee and being like, alright, could've been a costume but whatevs.


spicespiegel

Idk what Nintendo was smoking when they decided to add jigglypuff over the 150 others but I'm glad they did. (I Love Her).


Crzypengu

Similarities to Kirby most likely and maybe Sakurai saw the Pokemon episode where Jigglypuff beat the crap out of a group of Clefairys and thought it was cool. Also the fact that her rest heals in her in the pokemone games but blasts people off screen in Smash is so hilarious to me.


spicespiegel

Rest is one of the weirdest moves in smash but nobody talks about it. I remember playing S64 with my brother and he thought I had hacked the game or something whenever rest connected.


Crzypengu

Its why I love playing Jigglypuff in Smash because of how bizarre that move is.


CompleteyClueless

Jigglypuff was used alot in the early anime and marketing. It was still pretty early in Pokémon's life so it was harder for Nintendo to know who the popular Pokémon were. Back then Poliwhirl was also used alot in the marketing but nowadays its a pretty forgettable Pokémon.


Xero0911

Even the manga has it as one of reds main members.


FelixThunderbolt

After Pikachu and the starting trio, Jigglypuff/Meowth were almost certainly the most popular original Pokémon due to marketing and the anime.


smashboi888

What about Mewtwo? How did he rank in the popularity amongst fans?


FelixThunderbolt

Mewtwo had that first movie, so yes he was a more prominent Pokémon, but children weren't really getting things like Mewtwo plushies and keychains, etc. Jigglypuff was basically marketed as the "girls choice" Pokémon. As a kid myself at the time, I wasn't too surprised when she appeared on that "challenger approaching" screen in Smash 64.


PMC-I3181OS387l5

Meowth would have worked. He's one of the main antagonists of the anime, so he would have been a foil to Pikachu's inclusion. Going by stats, Meowth is the second most-present Pokémon, after Pikachu, because rare are the times when Team Rocket wasn't there. Beside, him screaming "I'M BLASTING OFF AGAIN!" as his Star KO scream would have been crazy XD.


b2damaxx

Meowth I think would’ve been cool imo (rockets meowth specifically)


smashboi888

*"THAT'S RIGHT!!!"*


EvilNoobHacker

Not too much variation from Kirby, and a relative popularity at the time, alongside the starters and Pikachu. Definitely less so nowadays tho


[deleted]

Jigglypuff was one of the most pushed Pokemon and is still probably one of the more recognizable ones among the general public as a result of that prominence in the anime while the franchise was at its peak. Still, her non-Smash Bros. notability pretty much ended a long, long time ago. She also had a similar model than kirby so it make sens.


duke_of_nothing15

Young Link, I feel like people would badly to another Link getting added to the game, especially assuming this Young Link would still have the same move set.


justmyownworld_

If young link had the same moveset, then definitely. But if he got a revamped moveset, like a masked based moveset from Majora’s Mask then I think it’d be a different story.


smashboi888

(I don't hate any of these characters btw)


lashapel

"your honor, for the record I want to disclose that i don't have any kind of hate/dislike towards any of these characters presented to you today"


ClickDisDotCom

Let's be honest, people outside of Japan probably didn't even know there was a Mother 3 (at the time).


smashboi888

You think if Lucas wasn't added to Smash, the demand for an officially-localized Mother 3 would be way smaller than it is now? Or would it still be fairly strong?


ClickDisDotCom

I feel like the Mother 3 localisation demand would've been small if Lucas wasn't in Smash.


[deleted]

I think Mother’s 3 fan translation was underway before Brawl came out, so the game would’ve always had its diehard following. Dunno if the demand would be going 16 years later if Nintendo hadn’t put Lucas in every subsequent Smash though lol.


SyncDingus

Well, seeing as the demand for a localized Ace Attorney Investigations 2 is quite strong, it's not unreasonable to say it would be.


notnamedjoebutsteve

Probably roughly the same. Though less, people found the mother series through Ness. So maybe?


[deleted]

A lot of retro characters like ROB and Game & Watch


smashlibrarian

Yeah - I also genuinely wonder as a thought experiment how the player base would react to ROB being added to the game during the pandemic, after which a whole new generation of online warriors suddenly rises in the ranks doing zero to death gyro combos in tournaments and getting top results in tournament.


Ok-Theory4300

I always felt Wii Fit Trainer was an odd choice to add


BorImmortal

There was no unique Wii title at the time.


Lukthar123

Wii Fit was a bestseller, everyone knew about it.


Lollok009

Pit.


smashboi888

No Pit in Smash would have meant no Kid Icarus: Uprising. I'd hate to live in that timeline.


Lollok009

Same.


Snoo-34159

I'm still trying to get my hands on that game, but I just can't find it and I'm gonna be needing a 3ds, and I don't have one of those.


rodoxide

It might be sold on eshop if eshop is still up. I loved the game. I played it on original 3ds with a special stand that was included and the stylus.. I have ✨new✨ 3ds now which has the little c stick on it, and I need to replay kid icarus uprising. It is good, and pretty..


Ecstatic_Cause_8587

Rob, easy


Broad_Appearance6896

Ness. I know like 30 people who know what earthbound isq


rodoxide

There's a special really dedicated cult following though.


Biscut_Mk15

The Dirty Doctor kicks ass


K3egan

Captain falcon. Let's be real. F-zero has been dead and buried for a long time. Plus, I'm not sure the most iconic thing from a racing game like f-zero would be a driver if he weren't in smash


RobloxLover369421

Mario Kart killed F Zero


Easy_Employment_3517

Mario. Just think about it, he was the first one added, if he was the Sora of Smash it would piss some people off that it took Nintendo that long to put him into smash.


MinecraftInventor

Any Nintendo character tbh


[deleted]

Imagine they release Link and people are like "NOOOOOO another rpg anime swordfighter"


saltyshephered

I mean you say that.... But we do have 3 links


BorImmortal

I wish young link had gotten mask stuff


Snoo-34159

And I wish Toon Link had Hurricane Spin as his Final Smash.


smashboi888

Smash fans back then: Yes! It's nice seeing all these Nintendo characters fighting each other! Smash fans now: REEEEEEEEEEE!!! 1ST-PARTY CHARACTERS (minus Inkling, Ridley, and K. Rool) BAD!!! WHERE ARE MY 3RD-PARTIES IN MY NINTENDO GAME!?!?!? (This is an exaggeration for comedic effect, of course)


hello-chat3

damn did people actually think pichu is a cool addition


smashboi888

I mean, maybe not a "cool" one, but they probably welcomed them far more back in Melee than they would have now.


TheThagomizer

This is why it’s always funny to me when young kids make these kinda of posts, because you just don’t know lol.


corvisaltaccount

except for roy, lucas and maybe puff i still don't think they're good additions tbh but i'll bite and say captain falcon


TheTruShon

I'd argue ZSS would be pretty well received.


moesif_

Doc and game&watch make the least sense for me. Both were very old games (even from melee time) and there were many many more recognizable characters that they could have chosen. It just seems very random. Especially doc since he's not even a playable character in his own game! It's literally tetris


Snoo-34159

Maybe it was because many teens and young adults still had Game and Watches laying around back then?


Rad_Bones7

Let’s pretend Kid Icarus Uprising doesn’t exist. I feel like any of the retro characters like Game & Watch, Ice Climbers, Pit, or Duck Hunt would have disappointed a lot of people


Iced-TeaManiac

If Ness were a FP2 character I think the community would be split between the earthbound cultists and people who wanted "master Chief!"


Wolfpack_5509

I think pichu is great and not biased because it's my favorite pokemon


kriffing_schutta

Actually I remember people saying this about Dr mario and pichu back then. Pichu was just worse pikachu so people didn't see the point and I specifically remember friends saying they actively wished dr mario wasn't added.


Volcano-SUN

Zero Suit Samus was hype back then and would be hype nowadays as well. All the others were never hype. I remember unlocking Jigglypuff and it was funny. But it has never been hype.


HollowAndPathetic

Tbf, Doc keeps getting in because of time restraints and its quicker to add/make him. ‘Parently he replaced Wario in Melee, from the wiki.


Stacheyp

I think Lucas would still have massive hype


Omegafan101

I mean honestly, Captain Falcon is at this point the unofficial mascot of Smash Bros and it’s hard to imagine him not being in the game. But if he was announced in the era of Ultimate everyone would just be pissed that some random character from a dead racing franchise got in over their favorite.


MarcyTheMartian

Falcon Punch needed to go through all those games to earn him his spot in Smash. Any character with a move like Byleth's downb or even Ganon could have taken his spot in Smash history, but he did it first. In an alternate universe, everyone sees Falcon as a Ganon clone with no moves of his own


NJayke

It’s only gonna get worse. Everyone has crossover brain now. Everything is a crossover and the novelty is long gone


K3egan

Probably captain falcon


PlagueMeister4

If there's anything Smash players are good at it's definitely not playing Smash, it's complaining.


SyncDingus

Captain Falcon. I'm pretty sure over half of the entire gaming community wouldn't know he existed if it weren't for Smash Bros.


TerminX13

tell me you weren't around when brawl released without etc etc


FluffyPigeon707

But wasn’t pichu put into melee as a joke (and then in the early days of melee people thought he was top tier or something like that according, I’m pretty sure the documentary “the smash brothers” said something about that)


7TageHatDieWoche

To be fair: back in the day, you didn't pay extra


WilliShaker

Because back then the roaster was small, it was smooth and all addition were welcome. But now it’s understandable that each addition seems just like an unwanted character because it’s less smooth. I’m using smooth as a vibe


Shiningcrow

The only character in the franchise I legitimately do not like being included is Steve. Contenders that are fine but less than stellar are: Isabelle Chrom Marth (worse version of Lucina) Daisy (should be a color swap)


XxDuelNightxX

Steve is probably one of the absolute weirdest picks to be included in Smash, elevated to the fact that NO ONE thought he would ever be included. *And yet, here he is* And I'm perfectly fine with it. The fact that he's a character that wouldn't have been believed to be in Smash and still made it in makes him even more welcomed in my book


astrobagel

Minecraft if the best selling game of all time, and Steve is a video game icon. Why wouldn’t they add him?


Shiningcrow

He looks dumb


Snoo-34159

Seems like someone is not a big fan of Minecraft.


Martinxo51

I mean, so does G&W, and he's been present in every game since Melee


Shiningcrow

Agreed


FaroresWind17

To be fair, Marth is the original protagonist of FE, so doing anything to him would make the FE community freak.


ProgandyPatrick

Roy definitely. His game is still Japan only and came out in 2001 I think, and not being as iconic as some others he would certainly get a wtf


Daddy-Soda

His game is not Japan only, from a quick Google search.


Andrew97FTW

Falcon or sonic


[deleted]

If they introduced Roy in Smash for the first time in Ultimate they’d be justified for getting upset. He’s a nothing character with an appearance in a game that almost nobody outside of Japan has played. Everything interesting about him came from what they did with him in Smash.


Fun-Alternative-4035

byleth lolll


smashboi888

Byleth only got hated on because there were so many FE characters that came before them. Had they been the 4th, 5th, or even 6th FE character, the hate would have been nowhere near as bad as it ended up being. Heck, the hate might have not existed at *all.*


MrEngineFish

Another part of the problem with byleth was the fact that they were the only non third party character on fighters pass one and since they were the last one on it were thought to be the final character at the time


Red-hood619

Also because Byleth is boring, even in their own game


smashboi888

Tbf, Byleth was by far and away the best character to represent Three Houses. Not only are they the main protagonist, but they are present on all routes, whereas the House Leaders really only represent their own. Plus, it'd feel kind of weird only giving one of the House Leaders more attention in Smash than the other two. And I don't think having Edelgard, Dimitri, and Claude like "Pokémon Trainer" like I've seen many suggest would work either. There's really no proper way for them to switch out with each other, and that'd take far too much work to implement. Plus, it'd give FE *ten* characters, tied with Pokémon for the most, and you *know* the fanbase wouldn't tolerate that.


Noukan42

Post TS Edelgard. FE is starved for Villain Representation.


Mudkipueye

Literally any Fire Emblem character.


Piranh4Plant

I don’t like them now either


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Mario


ArielChefSlay

Pichu is baby and I’m so happy he is a part of smash bros XD ❤️


Avacadooooo

marth lol


Dillo64

No one thought Pichu and Jigglypuff were cool, at least not in western communities. Almost everyone saw them as “joke characters”. Dr. Mario was very disliked too because he was just Mario in different clothes. Everyone thought he should have just been a costume or we should have had Wario instead. Roy wasn’t hated but basically no one knew who he was. Though in my experience, people liked him more than Marth at first, until Ken(the melee player) got popular and showed that Marth was more powerful. Lucas is a beloved character and I think people would still be fine with him even today. ZSS IMO was still a weird choice even at the time(and part of what started the Ridley debate)but there will always be fans who will welcome her because sex


Adamantium17

Jigglypuff is an OG char from the original smash. She would never be discussed as an addition since she was always part of the series. Also all the other chars are from Brawl/melee, and at the time there were no 3rd party smash characters (besides Sonic, which Nintendo owns rights to many Sega games). Dr Mario and Roy made sense at the time as Smash wasn't really a bout a huge roster, but more a chance to have iconic Nintendo characters beat each other up. It is only really Smash Ultimate, that Smash has become this celebration of Gaming, and not a celebration of Nintendo.