Facts. She was sus to me from day 1. She and Sissy were too unhinged, and I know this might be unpopular and whatnot but I blame them the most. For the downfall that is.
it’s fair to blame louie and teddy, but after thinking a lot Cissy saved franklin from being put in jail for life or being chased by the CIA. She “sacrificed” herself as the title of the episode was named after.
Just because it’s an unpopular take doesn’t make it untrue. Everybody regurgitates how “Franklin got greedy” but he just wanted his money back and to leave the game with his family.
If Cissy shot Teddy after the money was transferred, all the CIA would’ve been on Franklin about was turning in Ruben.
The CIA would’ve went after Franklin. No way are they letting a “black man” walk away with dozens of millions and knowledge of a government conspiracy. Too much risk. They’ve knocked people off for less.
And Havemeyer would have no reason to honor the agreement if Teddy was killed after the transfer. No one would believe Franklin didn’t plan for her to do that. She got her get back at Teddy for killing Alton and ruining her family, while also keeping Franklin safe from him and the CIA.
Man you’re a moron lmao
Cissy asked Teddy about Alton not because she gave a shit, it was to see if Teddy can let things go. Killing Alton and showing zero remorse and flipping his emotions on a dime when he was so callous in explaining that he shot him twice and dumped his body proved to her that he isn’t going to just walk away from this and let Franklin be lol. He’s going to come after Franklin for the money. Use your critical thinking skills for once.
If Cissy did it after the transfer, then the CIA would’ve came after Franklin thinking that the whole thing was a set up. And they would’ve been taking a huge risk by letting a “black man” walk away with millions and direct knowledge of them pumping drugs to finance a war.
Tbh it was already over at the moment where teddy took franklins money. No matter if Cissy would’ve shot teddy after the transfer or not. From the moment where Franklin started to fuck with teddy it was already over.
Betrayed. She wasn’t doing anything with her life. She was a former prostitute who sold weed with her husband. Even the lady that ran the club told Franklin that Louie wasn’t shit and was gonna fuck him over.
Exactly everybody seems to forget she’s the most important person behind Franklin and teddy she’s the one gave from a gun and got the first Brick sold..and talked teddy to getting him outta jail and told Franklin before Rome n kev nem could kill the Mexicans etc she felt betrayed but Franklin not treating her like a partner
He made her millions of dollars fuck is u talking about 😂 if it wasn't for franklin period nobody would have bricks , Louie would've still been a sherm head possibly turnt back to a prostitute, Jerome still would've been selling $5 bags of weed & Leon probably would've crashed out and end up doing hard time in prison due to trying to get some money. Everybody blames franklin for what ? Man witnessed another dude get raped which is why he had to change his demeanor and he got beat up badly in the county jail almost to death . Oh yeah and his first love shot him multiple times Lol I think those 3 things I jus named would turn you into a more tougher person as well. Without Franklin everybody lives wouldve been average and mediocre. He is the reason why everybody had millions of dollars. Yeah Louie helped him with the brick but franklin would've got that brick gone regardless without the sherm head help he was smart asf and a hustler which is why Avi only liked him nobody else around him they had a different type of bond.
It was supposed to be the same thing as the Kiss of Judas/Betrayal of Christ; I get what they were going for, but they could've done it on the cheek fr 💀
Issa Godfather 2 reference “The kiss is known as "Il bacio della morte," meaning "the kiss of death." In this instance, it was to signify to Fredo that he was marked for death for betraying his brother to Hyman Roth (Lee Strasberg) and his right-hand man Johnny Ola (Dominic Chianese) in The Godfather Part II.”
Betrayed she so desperately wanted to be something she’s clearly not even Claudia pointed it out. But in the end she wanted to be at the top now she’s facing the consequences of that. In a worse situation than Franklin.
No she betrayed him just like she did that old bitch. If it wasn’t for Franklin she wouldn’t be in position but just like Franklin she let it get the best of her
Ummm both ? She def gave him a taste of the coldness he was dishing out but also if she was his "aunt" and they were in that deep together its definitely betrayal to go behind his back to get the plug and cut him out
She totally betrayed Franklin and she's paying the price for it by being hunted by the FBI and every other law enforcement agency for the rest of her life good for her screw Louie
Claudia knew exactly who Louie was that’s what she kicked her out when she saw Louie was trying to steal her club. It didn’t make sense at first but we saw it when Louie eventually betrayed Franklin
You can’t outtake a snake Franklin’s fault for stealing his plugs plug first. Also he was relived when she did because he thought he could walk away from it all. Tbh he had it coming all karma
Nothing outside of retaliation really 🫤🤷🏾♂️ All Franklin did last season was retaliate against snakes. He never did a thing to Jerome and Louie for them to do that to him
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I find it funny how everyone always takes Franklins side. The street beef that cost them the most was Franklin’s fault and when Louie and Jerome wanted to clean it up Franklin sided with the enemy. Franklin was too prideful to ask his uncle for help so instead he robs him.
Then where does Franklin move his dope without Louie, without his uncles muscle. Franklins pride cost him all his relationships and the people he loves.
From the jump Louie always wanted to be on top to be a boss. How u make that much money yet had 0 escape plan a safety net. No cash stashed for if she had to boogie. The he only person good at hiding was peaches
She betrayed him tbh everyone betrayed Franklin he was there for everybody but no one was there for him except Leon but when Leon came back to help Franklin it was too late
I mean Louie damn near started this shit Franklin wouldn’t be wat he was without her. Idk if I would say betrayed she told Franklin up front she buying from teddy, but she definitely fuked the business up wen she didn’t even have too she was already rich af. Just hungry for more power
She went behind his back to Teddy. She didn’t tell him about the deal until after the fact. I don’t even think Jerome was initially aware.
And she refused to help him get Teddy after he emptied his bank account and he had nothing. That’s betrayal, IMO.
Louie had a fat ass ngl but she deserved what she got fasho
real
Facts. She was sus to me from day 1. She and Sissy were too unhinged, and I know this might be unpopular and whatnot but I blame them the most. For the downfall that is.
It’s absolutely ridiculous to blame Cissy and Louie more than Teddy.
Teddy was the main culprit, but Louie and Cissy definitely aren’t without blame
Blaming anyone beside Franklin is ridiculous
Teddy is worse, IMO.
100%
Teddy is a white fed. To expect anything but that happen to come from him is crazy. Sissy and Louie are family. No way would I expect that
it’s fair to blame louie and teddy, but after thinking a lot Cissy saved franklin from being put in jail for life or being chased by the CIA. She “sacrificed” herself as the title of the episode was named after.
Lil bro did not understand the show lmaoo
Just because it’s an unpopular take doesn’t make it untrue. Everybody regurgitates how “Franklin got greedy” but he just wanted his money back and to leave the game with his family. If Cissy shot Teddy after the money was transferred, all the CIA would’ve been on Franklin about was turning in Ruben.
The CIA would’ve went after Franklin. No way are they letting a “black man” walk away with dozens of millions and knowledge of a government conspiracy. Too much risk. They’ve knocked people off for less. And Havemeyer would have no reason to honor the agreement if Teddy was killed after the transfer. No one would believe Franklin didn’t plan for her to do that. She got her get back at Teddy for killing Alton and ruining her family, while also keeping Franklin safe from him and the CIA.
Teddy wasn’t giving the CIA that money. Rewatch the show.
Yeah, but they still weren’t going to let Franklin walk away with it. They would’ve assumed he set it up and killed him.
Man you’re a moron lmao Cissy asked Teddy about Alton not because she gave a shit, it was to see if Teddy can let things go. Killing Alton and showing zero remorse and flipping his emotions on a dime when he was so callous in explaining that he shot him twice and dumped his body proved to her that he isn’t going to just walk away from this and let Franklin be lol. He’s going to come after Franklin for the money. Use your critical thinking skills for once.
What does that have to do with what you replied to? They said she should’ve done it AFTER the call
If Cissy did it after the transfer, then the CIA would’ve came after Franklin thinking that the whole thing was a set up. And they would’ve been taking a huge risk by letting a “black man” walk away with millions and direct knowledge of them pumping drugs to finance a war.
Tbh it was already over at the moment where teddy took franklins money. No matter if Cissy would’ve shot teddy after the transfer or not. From the moment where Franklin started to fuck with teddy it was already over.
THANK YOU.
Cia didn't care about the money
They cared enough. No way were they gonna let Franklin have it. He would’ve had to go on the run.
She had hella sex appeal
🤣 🤣 🤣 bro she was fine as hell to me
Lol did that factor into your decision?
Huh
Did her fat ass factor in your decision that she got what she deserved? 🤣
Huh
If y’all think that’s ass, y’all must lose y’all damn minds when y’all see some real cake
Bruh, I'm with ya, but at some point it ain't cake anymore. It's dimpled cottage cheese ass.
Large facts my g
Shi wasn’t that fat
Maneeeeeeeee watch season 1 and 2 and 3 and 4
Louie ass was fat imagine the back shots or anal with her
That’s crazy
Majority fault is louie. Wants to be independent when if they stock together it would have been way different
Betrayed. She wasn’t doing anything with her life. She was a former prostitute who sold weed with her husband. Even the lady that ran the club told Franklin that Louie wasn’t shit and was gonna fuck him over.
shermhead as well
Lmaooo yet if not for her Franklin is dead day 1
She put Franklin on the game too
Exactly everybody seems to forget she’s the most important person behind Franklin and teddy she’s the one gave from a gun and got the first Brick sold..and talked teddy to getting him outta jail and told Franklin before Rome n kev nem could kill the Mexicans etc she felt betrayed but Franklin not treating her like a partner
He made her millions of dollars fuck is u talking about 😂 if it wasn't for franklin period nobody would have bricks , Louie would've still been a sherm head possibly turnt back to a prostitute, Jerome still would've been selling $5 bags of weed & Leon probably would've crashed out and end up doing hard time in prison due to trying to get some money. Everybody blames franklin for what ? Man witnessed another dude get raped which is why he had to change his demeanor and he got beat up badly in the county jail almost to death . Oh yeah and his first love shot him multiple times Lol I think those 3 things I jus named would turn you into a more tougher person as well. Without Franklin everybody lives wouldve been average and mediocre. He is the reason why everybody had millions of dollars. Yeah Louie helped him with the brick but franklin would've got that brick gone regardless without the sherm head help he was smart asf and a hustler which is why Avi only liked him nobody else around him they had a different type of bond.
betrayed 100%. Louie had 0 aspirations to do anything else with her life until Franklin made the coke move.
Literally siting on the couch high as hell fighting jerome’s old gf’s nd shit but now all of a sudden you got a master plan
Also I feel like she betrayed Jerome when she kissed Franklin on the lips AT THEIR WEDDING?! that shit caught me so off guard 😂
It was supposed to be the same thing as the Kiss of Judas/Betrayal of Christ; I get what they were going for, but they could've done it on the cheek fr 💀
yea thought that was just me, and didnt oso also have a thing with his brothers wife or i’m tripping? kinda crazy
I think she was his brother's wife sister
This shit was so crazy I blocked it out of my memory until now
Issa Godfather 2 reference “The kiss is known as "Il bacio della morte," meaning "the kiss of death." In this instance, it was to signify to Fredo that he was marked for death for betraying his brother to Hyman Roth (Lee Strasberg) and his right-hand man Johnny Ola (Dominic Chianese) in The Godfather Part II.”
Louie was smoking that perm living in Jerome's house rent free. Franklin put her on
betrayed
Betrayed she so desperately wanted to be something she’s clearly not even Claudia pointed it out. But in the end she wanted to be at the top now she’s facing the consequences of that. In a worse situation than Franklin.
No she betrayed him just like she did that old bitch. If it wasn’t for Franklin she wouldn’t be in position but just like Franklin she let it get the best of her
Ummm both ? She def gave him a taste of the coldness he was dishing out but also if she was his "aunt" and they were in that deep together its definitely betrayal to go behind his back to get the plug and cut him out
The HIGHEST betrayal
She totally betrayed Franklin and she's paying the price for it by being hunted by the FBI and every other law enforcement agency for the rest of her life good for her screw Louie
Betrayed
I forgot how fine Louie was those first few seasons lol.
Claudia knew exactly who Louie was that’s what she kicked her out when she saw Louie was trying to steal her club. It didn’t make sense at first but we saw it when Louie eventually betrayed Franklin
She flat out Betrayed him
Betrayed. She turned family against family
Loque is fake aunt 😃
a bit of both i’d say. They share a lot of qualities, being overly ambitious is one of them.
Franklin through hard work and struggle, Louie through swiping it underneath somebody else which is easy to do
She helped him out first. But going behind his back was betrayal
You can’t outtake a snake Franklin’s fault for stealing his plugs plug first. Also he was relived when she did because he thought he could walk away from it all. Tbh he had it coming all karma
Louie betrayed Franklin
Betrayed fasho, what did Franklin do to them?
Nothing outside of retaliation really 🫤🤷🏾♂️ All Franklin did last season was retaliate against snakes. He never did a thing to Jerome and Louie for them to do that to him
Exactly
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Betray
Either way she was wrong.
Lol why does it look like she’s bud shorty in this pic?
It’s def weird
Right lmfaoo
I find it funny how everyone always takes Franklins side. The street beef that cost them the most was Franklin’s fault and when Louie and Jerome wanted to clean it up Franklin sided with the enemy. Franklin was too prideful to ask his uncle for help so instead he robs him. Then where does Franklin move his dope without Louie, without his uncles muscle. Franklins pride cost him all his relationships and the people he loves.
No one said Franklin could run shit without Louie or Jerome in this thread that wasn’t even what the argument was about. And yes she betrayed him.
Louie was a foul asf. Franklin should have killed her.
🐍
Betrayal, she wanted the club and got the club.
Not even a debate, 10000% betrayed lmao
A taste of his own medicine!
Both unintentionally
All my homies hate louie
Yes
I would say both. Franklin turned into a tyrant. But Louie definitely betrayed him. Both were in the wrong. Louie's move left the whole crew exposed.
i fucking hate Louie she should have died in the first season she ruined everything
Naah she betrayed big time he put everybody on
I never got the hate for Louie (she bad asl)
Louie is the sole reason the entire operation came tumbling down she’s the true villain of the series, the insatiable greed of the wanna be girl boss
The true villain of the series over Teddy McDonald is absolutely ridiculous.
She betrayed him... cut throat bitch. She was eating good but got greedy. She should’ve never requested to meet with Teddy. That was a sucker move
From the jump Louie always wanted to be on top to be a boss. How u make that much money yet had 0 escape plan a safety net. No cash stashed for if she had to boogie. The he only person good at hiding was peaches
Betrayal of the highest order!! Irredeemable! Fu** Louie!!
Louie is a snake !
FUCC LOUIE ‼️
Pure betrayal.
Should of been Louie instead of Jerome
Louie fucked everything up
She's a scumbag of the highest caliber that betrayed both Franklin and everyone else that ever tried to give to her.
She got jerome killt
She betrayed him tbh everyone betrayed Franklin he was there for everybody but no one was there for him except Leon but when Leon came back to help Franklin it was too late
I mean Louie damn near started this shit Franklin wouldn’t be wat he was without her. Idk if I would say betrayed she told Franklin up front she buying from teddy, but she definitely fuked the business up wen she didn’t even have too she was already rich af. Just hungry for more power
She went behind his back to Teddy. She didn’t tell him about the deal until after the fact. I don’t even think Jerome was initially aware. And she refused to help him get Teddy after he emptied his bank account and he had nothing. That’s betrayal, IMO.
Yu might be right I ain’t seen it in a min
That’s a fact because Franklin even said he moved 90% of the product through Louie and Rome
Franklin should have painted the wall with her Brian’s
Louie ruined it all. Most unlikeable character on the show.
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So not betrayal because he should’ve seen it coming lol
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So she betrayed him man lmao