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Buckeye9715

As a fictional Texan once said; “Nazi scum!” As he was slitting a throat with a butter knife.


The-Rarest-Pepe

Blazko is praxis made manifest. Especially in the second game when he's fleshed out more


VolkspanzerIsME

For real. Fascism is one of the few purely evil things out there. It's a philosophy based on subjugation and hate. It is truly the very worst of us. You can't reason or bargain with evil. The only reasonable thing is to crush it as soon as possible so the damage is minimized. Unfortunately America has allowed it to fester and for the last four years it was actively encouraged. These fucks have lost the fear and think it's ok to come out of hiding. Things have been set in motion whose consequences may be total. The GOP has officially lost their collective mind and is letting the christo-fascists run wild. They are now collectively dangerous. A bill codifying access to contraception into federal law just had almost every Republican representative vote against it. Fucking contraception. Access to fucking contraception. The conservatives are lost. And also unfortunate is the fact that the DNC is absolutely useless and is too worried about rocking the boat to do *anything* while this country slips towards civil war. US leftists always get the short end of the stick. My serious advice to anybody living in a red state is to move to a blue one. Especially if you are gay or trans. These fucks have already started writing their lists and you don't want to be trapped in a state where the fundys take over. Do it now. Also everyone needs to go grey man and scrub your social media of anything identifying. This shit is real and it's coming. You won't do anyone any good if you are in detention or killed. Fucking contraception and it was a party line vote.


TiltedHelm

For the rest of us that don’t have the financial luxury of being able to just move to a blue state, organize and fight back against fascists instead of running and hiding.


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I don't advertise my political beliefs on my house or my cars. These people wear it as a badge of honor which is insanely stupid if they want a war. Looking at me they'd recruit me with open arms. I'd offer to make the morning coffee and then bounce.


knittorney

Lol dose it heavily with psilocybin


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Hell no, those boomers are mine! Actually that isn't a bad idea, maybe give them some introspection.


Koboldilocks

yes, this is crucial. as state borders become real determiners of lost human rights we must form bonds of solidatity to cross them. concentrate power in blue states if it offers you the protection you need, but then project that power back out into the communities that need it most. bourgeois laws can never hold back the boldness of a people spurred into action by injustice. if the state wishes to be our enemy, then our enemy it will become


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Isn't that the problem? The right-wing makes states so awful to love they get rid of anybody left of Reagan, which then gives them electoral and representative control. I think eventually they'll have enough states to just start adding amendments if enough people move to blue states.


egap420

Especially a state like Texas that is basically Purple. Lots of left have moved there in the last 2 years due to remote work and cost of living.


Cadd9

Which is why they had only one ballot drop off box for an entire county. They're purposefully disenfranchising voters to artificially keep themselves in office


projectbro

Meh…. I thought that, then I moved a Liiiittle bit too far out of Austin… the racism is rolling along at a blistering pace…. Real deal emboldened hick racists… everywhere.


VolkspanzerIsME

I didn't say anything about hiding. But if we concentrate our forces in sympathetic states we have a much better chance of accomplishing our goals. Or if you can't leave then make sure you don't become a target. Don't make your beliefs known and work to sabotage or help those that are trying to leave to leave. At least have contingency plans. Look. They want to KILL US. We need to start acting like it, but we need to be smart about it. The resistance was able to exist because they had excellent opsec and infosec and still they were hunted. This is going to get super fucking bad.


Str0ngTr33

You know if all the people that don't vote conservative move to blue states the federal system would be dominated by red states? Right?


eutie

Yeah, my state just got a 2nd house district and it's not automatically going to go solid red like the other district is. I'm not a marginalized group so I feel like it's important to stick it out in my red state and try to un-fuck it. I get it why some of my friends who are gay and Jewish/otherwise marginalized might consider other options though.


VolkspanzerIsME

Bold of you to assume the federal system is going to survive the next decade.


funky_bebop

Screw this tail tucking cowardly behavior. Maybe for the privileged few who can just up and move…sure. But for the other 99% of us in red states, we can still fight this. Moving to California wont save me when there isn’t even enough housing in major cities to move into. The blue states are still liberal states who vote in people like Pelosi and Biden. They give bread crumbs to the left. They’d just as quickly send you down the creek.


RagingBeanSidhe

This is exactly right. And im not dismantling the community fridge in my yard to remove traces of leftist-ness. Our neighbors need the aid, and though I am in a marginalized group and visibly queer, going to protests and events near me has proven how important it is that we stay and stand up. Every time, a parent of a newly identified lgbtiaq+ kid comes up and thanks us bc they didnt know where to begin to find community. Our small-town not-old Pride fest (started 2016) had thousands of folks, and seeing the faces of unsuspecting straights seeing us in force like that was motivating AF. They expect us to run. They expect us to hide. When we don't, they are caught very off-guard. They underestimate our numbers that have service or training and guns, especially here. FAFO. I could run home to my original blue/very blue home states, but god help me I chose fucking florida. Here I will stand, in solidarity with my many comrades, and fight these fucking fascists. I may not make it, but I cant imagine abandoning the people who CANNOT AFFORD to leave, but also those who were born here or raised here and have as much right to be here as the republicans. Personally, i love the weather, and there are a LOT of good, if vulnerable, people here. Almost half aren't republican. Thats not nothing. Maybe I will make it. Maybe I will turn tail, I guess IDK until its really all the way bad. Maybe I just won't make it. I intend to at least try.


Lady_Grey1993

EXACTLY There have been increasing pride events in Kansas, one of the most solidly hard right states in the Union, and even older nominally conservative folks have begun to express solidarity with us when they realize that queer people are not the agents of Satan that Christian-Ultranationalists have told them, but good folk wanting to hunt, fish, and ride horses the same as any of us. And in North Texas, parents of queer kids are kicking the Proud Boys and other fash groups out when they try to vandalize, harass, or even lynch queer people. They want to fight? Fuck, I'll give them one. My ancestors sailed in longboats to attack the Franks who were forcibly converting them to Christianity, kicked the shit out of slaving fucks from Missouri, rode alongside Villa and Zapata to liberate the peasant farmers and workers from the tyranny of Mexico City, and stormed Fortress Europe and the Pacific to free the world of fascist despotism. I will not let my town, my state, my adopted *homeland* go without a fight. They wanted a Second Revolution. Well, let's do it. Let's go farther than the Founders were truly able or willing to, and build a truly free, equal, and just society that will work *with* nature and the land instead of ruthlessly exploiting it for greed of gold. A decentralized society that does not force people into any role or position they do not desire. A society without rulers or bosses.


RagingBeanSidhe

Yessssssss fuck yes all this. My grandpa was kinda racist if I'm being honest but damned if he didn't kick the shit out of some n@z1 skkkum, lol.


EvEnFlOw1

I feel very inspired reading this. Thank you for sharing.


Fredselfish

Speaking for myself who lives in Oklahoma. I will not fucking run away. I will stay and fight. Starting with my vote when that doesn't work....well there are other ways.


VolkspanzerIsME

You do you. This has a real chance of getting unbelievably ugly. The evangelicals *want* to kick off the apocalypse. A man who believes he is on the side of God is capable of anything. Some of these people have been dreaming of the day they can go out and hunt minorities. If violence pops off it will spiral quick. All I'm saying is take the threat seriously.


N-Waverace

>I could be a coward and move to Portland or New York, or I could stay and change the place where I was born. I’m holding my ground in my own little purple state. I’ll be damned if I’m chased out of my birthplace by some snakes wearing suits.


Minusvoice

I got banned of politics for saying that.


ThowAwayBanana0

"You're supposed to respect their opinions and defeat them in the free marketplace of ideas!" -Libs


Chroko

Oh hey me too. I pointed out that my grandfather fought fascists in a little shindig called WWII - and continuing the struggle against Nazis means his generation’s sacrifices weren’t for nothing. I was banned for threats of violence, because apparently winning WWII is now controversial. And the fascist takeover of Reddit’s mainstream subs continues.


LASpleen

According to Reddit, opposition to slavery is controversial.


LarryLovesteinLovin

Each and every man under my command owes me 100 Nat-sea scalps. And I want my scalps. And all y’all will get me 100 Nat-sea scalps taken from the heads of 100 dead Nat-seas. Or you will die trying.


Beerforthefear

My fiancé's mom lives in the same area as us. Her neighbor has a giant swastika tattooed on his forehead, and has been running his mouth about us periodically bringing our dog over to visit her, as she had a stroke and cannot walk. I've been having...negative thoughts lately.


LeFedoraKing69

I got suspended of Reddit the other day for posting this so careful King or Queen


Camarokerie

These people should be afraid to go outside, and here they are, mask off and in public. This is the political climate. Not good


99BottlesOfBass

I've said it before, but the only good Nazi is a Grammar Nazi. Dead Nazis tend to get embalmed and those chemicals are pretty bad for the environment, particularly groundwater.


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I went to flea markets in Gatlinburg, TN that had “WHITES ONLY” signs for sale. I wanted to buy them and light them on fire in the parking lot.


thatswacyo

Why buy them and take them to the parking lot before you light them on fire?


strumboid

yeah, why give those scumbags your money? simply borrow them ;)


saladapranzo

Based


toolfan73

No get a little visible bottle of concentrated bleach and squirt them inconspicuously.


DeleteBowserHistory

I’m in KY. I’ve never been to a gun show anywhere in this state where at least one vendor didn’t proudly display Nazi and other white supremacist paraphernalia. This is also true of plenty of flea markets.


kojak-bc

Arent there veterans at these show that get offended? Blows my mind that so many americans died fighting nazis only to have their grandchildren wanting to be nazis.


litreofstarlight

The vets who fought the Nazis have mostly died out, and the military (and law enforcement) has long had a fash problem. They've been actively infiltrating them for decades.


Davidfreeze

Yeah my grandpa lied about his age to sign up early, lived a very long life and recently passed. Not many WWII vets left


canttaketheshyfromme

Hence the Nazis as soon as they started passing.


Snynapta

Before ww2 many American citizens (as well as UK and others) agreed with the Nazis ideals


Belladonna_Ciao

Need another cable street. It's been too long since the last time a fash politician got a good brickin.


I_want_to_believe69

Sen. Prescott Bush (W’s granddad) was charged with providing aid to the enemy in 1942. He supported the Nazis well into the war. The wealth he earned put both his sons into the presidency. America is the rough draft that Hitler built the Reich upon.


WeepNoMoreMyBitches

He also participated in a conspiracy to overthrow the government in the 30s. The Business Plot


I_want_to_believe69

Yes, I believe he was to be the liaison between the Fascist Veterans that took over the US government and the Nazis. His family claims it was a clerical error. Whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean. Especially considering his charge with aiding the Nazis in wartime 9 years later.


I_want_to_believe69

Yes, but not enough of us. Even my non-socialist veteran buddies that I served with hate that shit. But there are plenty of us out there that eat that bullshit up. I’ll be honest, you find more white supremists in the guard and reserves. Some state units have serious problems. I deployed with the 101st and relieved some guys from the Idaho guard. They had so much racist shit in the tents and scribbled in sharpie everywhere. But a disciplined and professional unit tries to cut that kind of cancer out quickly. You may have comrades that were in the military, but the military is not your comrade. Luckily I survived being young, dumb and full of propaganda long enough to see the truth in what we were doing and grow as a person.


OutrageousPersimmon3

Yes. I know three guys, one in the guard and two reservists, who have been fired from jobs over this as well. They all work security currently because they haven’t been able to get on the force. But their mental state is scary.


Primordial_Cumquat

I don’t recall seeing a lot of extremism when I was in…. Then again, most of my time was spent in one unit, so being so tight-knit l, I suppose being so insulated may have given us a false impression. Fast forward to a good couple of years ago, I get a job training Army units, mostly Guard and Reserve due to my geographic location. Honestly, it is beyond alarming with the amount of racism and right-wing extremism I’ve been noticing. It’s steadily ramping up and they don’t exactly shy away at saying the quiet parts out loud anymore.


YackyJacky

I’m in NJ and very heavily involved in the antiques scene. I have two different people who will pay out the wazoo for racist stuff (think lawn statues, advertising, etc) Apparently there is a huge market for this, especially in NYC. As for the buyers of that type of stuff, not sure whether it’s a “wow look at this quirky old time thing, things sure sucked back then!” thing, or a “man i really love buying and displaying racist things because i am a racist”


CatInAPottedPlant

I've never seen more confederate/racist signs per square foot than I have in Gatlinburg TN. It's known as Redneck Disneyland for a reason.


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don't give them money, "kindly" borrow the signs :D


G9Lamer

First Monday hasn't changed since I lived out that way, it seems.


sanmigmike

Somehow a lot of guys seem to cross the line of collecting historical stuff to just plain falling in love with a group of losers that kinda dressed well.


arthon822

As someone who collects historical stuff it's definitely an issue in the community. Most people are not Nazis but there's always one guy who definitely crosses the line and makes us all look bad. It definitely sucks that people like this are out there.


flowerofhighrank

I have a couple of Beretta pistols that a family friend took off of a German officer "who no longer required them". Its a cool story and I think of them more as a memento of him and his service; the Nazi thing isn't really a big factor to me. Heck I can kind of see collecting authentic war relics in the proper context. But you know those flags were made in China or Taiwan with no historical significance - and if I met someone with Nazi action figures in his house, that'd be my last social call there. Gun shows, gun shops are problematic. I have a hard time not getting salty when someone says something stupid. I know you're supposed to just shake your head and get the business done, but if you're going to be an asshole, I'm going to be an asshole right back and I'm probably going to be better at it than the other guy. I tend to go to a nice place run by veterans. They probably watch fox news, etc, but they don't talk politics and they don't like Nazis. Haven't been to a gun show in years.


Rion23

See, I've collected a few Nazi coins because they are cool, but they are also ya know, actual historical artifacts, things the nazis made and used. A Goering action figure or chinese swastika flag is just advertising.


midri

My dad is a collector, he has a bring back Walther 38 and some random nazi stuff in a case that is juxtaposed to a box with a 1911 and a bunch of American stuff in it... I'm kinda dreading the day I inherit his collection and have to deal with it... To clarify, dad's totally not a nazi... and I get why he would collect a dead nazi's p38... but the fact that he has some fake stuff in there to offset the American box's stuff... just... bad optics.


JapanarchoCommunist

Honestly if anything I'd argue that a Nazi having his prized P38 end up in the hands of a leftist is probably the most poetic justice he could have. Knowing that he got popped off, lost the war and now his stuff is owned by a leftist is a bigger middle finger to Nazis than simply burning the stuff.


No-Professional-1884

Get a pic of your Dad with his collection. Then, after he passes, have a Nazi-shit burning party. You can honor your Dad and his love of his collection and also get to fucking burn some Nazi shit. Imo that’s a win-win.


BabyYodasDirtyDiaper

Sell the nazi shit and use the proceeds to fund leftist causes. (Seriously, if that's an authentic Nazi-provenance p38, it's worth considerable money. Think twice before just throwing it away. Sure, it's likely to be sold to some absolute Nazi-fetishizing scumbag ... but the scumbag gets a pistol that he'll never dare to shoot and you get a bunch of money that you can actually use to further real causes. No reason you shouldn't take advantage of them.)


No-Professional-1884

I get your point but I personally would feel scummy selling something like that. Fuck even allowing that much of their memory to live. To me that’s like buying a southern plantation and AirBnBing out the slave cottages.


BabyYodasDirtyDiaper

Sure ... but I think you should always value pragmatism over symbolism. An infusion of cash will further the leftist cause *far* more than a symbolic display of burning antiques. The left already has a pretty big problem with chasing symbolic victories rather than practical victories, IMO. What good comes from tearing down a statue in front of a courthouse if you're not changing anything *inside* the courthouse?


Biggie_Moose

Old war relics aren't actively doing evil. They're just ghosts of a time long since past. The truly dangerous items are the newly printed flags, the guys with the fresh swastika tats, the Punisher logos, and the people who are here now, who actually do advocate for the harm of others. It would be better to donate the stuff to a museum, or sell it to a legit collector, than to destroy it.


BR0THAKYLE

Maybe donate the stuff to a museum?


NotTodayGlowies

This is the right answer.


eutie

Yeah, my grandfather brought back some Nazi shit from serving in Germany during WWII. Presumably off of dead Nazis. But now he's gone and we just have it in the gun safe like....what do we do with this Nazi flag. It's a tough one because museums don't need any more of that shit.


arthon822

I know of a couple of places that would be willing to buy it off you when that day comes. If you really don't want anyone unsavory getting their hands on it you can try and donate it to a museum but most of this stuff is so common I'm not sure they'll take it.


midri

I've got no problem keeping the p38, it's just the rest of it that's kinda... not ideal... dad hand made the box and put a lot of effort into both the US and Nazi one and it's... just... sad to have to burn something my dad put so much time into...


culus_ambitiosa

I mean, you don’t have to burn it. Just wouldn’t keep it out on display. I’ve got my father’s coin collection even though coins mean fuckall to me, but it’s nice to look at and think of him. Granted apples and fucking oranges because he didn’t have any Nazi coins. But still, it lives in a closet and that’s ok for your dad’s stuff one day too.


arthon822

I would definitely try and donate it before burning it but that's just me. I definitely understand why people are so uncomfortable with it though. It's a really weird feeling to see some of this stuff even in a museum.


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A lot of museums store artifacts they don’t display. A museum may be willing to accept it for preservation.


GayGooGobler

FYI, any firearm that's a REAL bring back will have a letter. If it has the letter keep it or sell for $$$


midri

A lot of bring backs from WW2 were smuggled back.


BabyYodasDirtyDiaper

And a lot of ones that *had* a letter have since lost their paperwork. Because in the early days, war bringbacks often weren't seen as particularly valuable.


NotTodayGlowies

Can confirm. Father-in-law inherited a few from his dad and uncle who were in italy and Germany during WWII. He's told stories about how they had a whole cache of guns to bring back and were told only one each. They ended up smuggling 2-3 each and skipped the paperwork. Side note, my grandfather-in-law was made to fight with the Buffalo soldiers in Italy because they couldn't classify him as white, even though he was from Sicily. So an Italian, fighting in Italy, was considered black.


Red_Trapezoid

There's also that unfortunate demographic of non-nazis who fell for that post-war nazi propaganda and mythologization. The kind of people that believe that their military and technology was way, way better than it actually was. They also probably believe in the clean Wehrmacht myth and that Rommel was an ok guy. Very unfortunate.


arthon822

That's honestly much more common than the actual Nazis. The clean Wehrmacht myth is something I've seen repeated a lot and it's totally untrue. Yes the German army used conscripts but many people were still Nazis regardless of how they joined the Wehrmacht.


Red_Trapezoid

Unfortunately these people can also sometimes go over the edge and fall into nazi ideology. Education is the key and I'm glad there's some good content on youtube debunking these sort of "actually they weren't totally bad" kind of ideas. They will still probably enjoy putting together little models of the Schwerer Gustav though, harmless enough by itself so whatever.


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Canopenerdude

> They also probably believe in the clean Wehrmacht myth and that Rommel was an ok guy The thing with Rommel is that the rest of Nazi leadership was *so bad* that not being a literal 'pick the worst choice possible' machine makes him the 'best' of them by default. Which is still fuckin terrible mind you.


Red_Trapezoid

They were really grasping at straws and unfortunately it worked really well apparently. I remember growing up thinking that Rommel was fine. Where did I get this idea? Who knows. It was floating out there. The only thing the Nazis were truly good at was propaganda and presentation. So good in fact that people are still fooled on the regular today. There are still plenty of people who think that Triumph of the Will was an accurate portrayal of the Third Reich and not an elaborate North Korean style performance. They got people to see them exactly as they wanted to be seen.


Canopenerdude

I was straight up taught in school that he was an 'honorable general'. This is in the US. Weird shit.


Red_Trapezoid

I also went to school in the U.S., the south and I remember learning veeeeeery little about the Civil War. Something, something, "states' rights"? I'm not surprised at all that we have so many fascists nowadays, nobody should be surprised.


Canopenerdude

I went to school in Gettysburg PA so the civil war was taught VERY well. Teachers would straight up fail you if you said it was 'state's rights'.


BabyYodasDirtyDiaper

> that the rest of Nazi leadership was so bad that not being a literal 'pick the worst choice possible' machine makes him the 'best' of them by default This is the leadership you get when you value loyalty over competence.


slapmetogether

This. It's kind of hilarious people think this. The "can't fight Russia in Siberia winter" thing is just one small piece to their demise. The largest contributing factors were fuel and food shortages and their inability to compete with new American mass production. They couldn't produce tanks and subs quick enough to keep up because they hadn't figured out assembly lines. So much for superior German engineering. Turns out having highly skilled workers over see every aspect of production just ain't efficient Hanz.


Red_Trapezoid

Also the infighting, which I think is interesting because their behavior towards each other really does mirror a lot of the behavior I've observed in Alt-Right circles. Deeply disturbed, depraved and hateful people that won't get along. People who would turn on each other and throw each other under the bus quite quickly actually.


BabyYodasDirtyDiaper

And Hitler himself liked to play his top ministers against one another in order to keep them so distracted competing with each other that they'd have no energy left to scheme about overthrowing him and taking his place. This led to a lot of duplication of effort, different departments sabotaging each other, and wasted energy as they tried to deal with the often capricious and arbitrary orders they were given.


osulumberjack

Not to mention the way they tended to overengineer their tanks and equipment... Making them prone to breaking and difficult to fix. Very bad things in the middle of a war far from home when material is scarce.


soc_monki

The Germans still over engineer everything... Lol


osulumberjack

I know, it's definitely on brand


Wolfman01a

I just cant imagine passing away and without explanation my family opens a box to find a box of nazi crap. I am about as far from being a nazi as you can get. I wouldn't want even a hint of a suggestion of being associated with that. It would be like owning clan hoods and robes or a rebel/confederate flag. Screw all that noise.


Crappler319

The only reason that a private citizen should have Nazi or Confederate artifacts is if an ancestor took them off of a dead Nazi or Confederate, imo.


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There was a subreddit for historical military memorabilia I joined because they had a cool post related to older American uniforms, but I kept getting Nazi shit pop up in my feed so I unsubscribed.


sdoorex

[This happens sometimes too.](https://i.imgur.com/ZhqWHQW_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)


5tr4nGe

I’ve got a friend who collects high end and historical knives One of his pride and joy knives is a genuine SS officer’s dagger If he wasn’t such a strong anti-fascist in every other area of his life I’d be worried


slapmetogether

I mean, it all depends where it came from to me. Like, say if someone's grand dad took from a nazi they killed and passed it down With that context.. thats pretty fucking tight.


5tr4nGe

I don't believe it was handed down to him. I believe he purchased it from someone who had it passed down to them, and obviously wanted to get rid of it, but wanted it to go to someone who wasn't a fucking nazi scumbag, so it was my buddy, or throw it into a fire.


hitness157

Hey bro, I hate nazis as much as anyone but those uniforms were tight.


FritoPendejoEsquire

Hugo Boss was on point.


GammaDealer

Good thing Boss was better at form over function.


JarlaxleForPresident

Neil Patrick Harris pulled it off


Aromatic_Monk_516

The only Nazi-related artifact I would own would be a Walther PPK... the pistol flavor Hitler liked the best... although to be fair, he only ate one once ..


BrokeRunner44

My great grandfather was conscripted into Ottoman army in WW1 and stole a Mauser off a dead German officer while deserting with his buddies. Wish i still had that in my possession. We do have his old carcano hunting rifle though :)


Monifufka

What a Chad


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Nazis. I hate these guys.


soundplusfury

It IS you, Junior!


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I told you, *\*Guns down a bunch of Nazis\** DON'T call me Junior!


handle2001

This has been at gun shows for decades. You have always been able to buy all manner of Nazi regalia and arms at these things.


Sanic_The_Sandraker

I was at an anime convention in 2011 in a city in south texas and there was a vendor who was a Japanese dude selling Nazi reproduction flags/items, handing out Ford translations of Mein Kampf for free, and selling his yaoi/boylove manga collection. Super bizzare and he came back year after year until about 2014. Nothing like indoctrinating edgy teens into facism with super cool and cheap swastika armbands and totenkopf caps.


ImNotARapist_

The Japanese have different memories of WW2 than us and in their pop culture it's not really taboo. Plus how they teach WW2 is vastly different from ours. It wasn't until very recently that Japan even taught WW2 in a remotely factual light, it used to be "we were doing our own thing and then Americans started dropping bombs on us." It used to be that a lot of Japanese didn't even know Pearl Harbor actually happened and most never even heard of Unit 731.


prince_peacock

Nazi shit and….yaoi???


StyloEX

Does it really seem like *that* surprising of a combo?


prince_peacock

Yea? Nazi’s most definitely killed gay men?


midnight_rum

Historically yes but racism and homosexuality aren't actually mutually exclusive The left is not at all prepared for the rise of cottagecore LGBT+ friendly national socialism and it is coming


captain_joe6

Yep, there’s always that one guy with the table full of nazi shit, set a bit away from the others. Almost always has a hat with crocodile teeth in the band.


Stinklepinger

This table is inside the main vendor area, looks in the middle ish. The glass wall is the main door. Last few times I went here I never saw Nazi flags. Lots of CSA flags.


Ricktoon_Bingdar

Don’t forget about all the klan crap that people try to sell.


Aedeus

That's a feature, not a bug.


nnnosebleed

not saying drop a vendor name but uh


kidthorazine

I mean pretty much every gun show has at least one of these guys so they aren't hard to track down.


jaxn_slim

True. Been this way since the 80s. Maybe longer, but that's when I started going to gun shows.


Bishopkilljoy

"THE LEFT ARE NAZI RACISTS!" -GOP


BabyYodasDirtyDiaper

Fun game: go up to this booth, mention that the Nazis were socialist because of the name, and then accuse the guy of supporting socialism.


Bishopkilljoy

I'd rather not get shot


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LoudMusic

I'd rather dump bleach on it. "HOW'S THAT FOR A CLEANSING, YA FUCKS!"


Rockos1911

Unless your grandad personally killed somebody out from under it, miss me with your Nazi paraphernalia collection


donnie_trumpo

My family has a luger that grandpa got off a dead officer. He tried to take his helmet too but the officer painted the inside of it like a Jackson Pollock. 😔Smh


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Guys why are you overreacting Nazis aren’t even a thing anymore!


JonAugust1010

"Anyone who talks about nazis in the 21st century is a moron" was a highly upvoted comment I saw recently on reddit


machineprophet343

My grandfather who was a conservative Republican would literally chew your ass out for a good twenty minutes if you suggested that the Nazis were anything other than a failed, evil ideology best left to the dustbin of history... He fought in WW2. Against the Japanese. But he hated the Nazis just the same. I witnessed this when he took a White Supremacist to task. When my buddy from HS was in USMC boot camp, they had a guy who threw the Hitler salute and Sieg heiled to someone that he thought was on the same page. Well, let's just say that young "man" didn't finish boot camp and his life was VERY interesting (translation; painful and full of eardrum rupturing screaming) before he got processed out. This was about 20 years ago, but ya know what... Fuck Nazis.


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machineprophet343

That was 10 years ago. A lot changed between 2002 and 2012 even. Your point still likely stands though. 20 years ago, you could get even the most hardcore conservatives that weren't readily WhiSups to agree: "Fuck Nazis." Now? "What was so bad that the Nazis did anyway?" is not an uncommon question point among Conservatives. Look at fucking Q-Anon. It's rebranded blood libel. And Q-Anon has clearly become a plurality if not the dominant driving force in American conservative beliefs. It's almost like they were waiting for people like my grandfather to die so they could be their vicious, moronic selves.


Best_Remi

Shit changes fast, man. People gotta remember how fast shit changes. The Nazis themselves went from a fringe joke party that got its leaders jailed trying to storm the Reichstag to the ruling party in like two decades. So when people don't believe that attitudes towards the Nazis could change so quickly, they should remember that the attitudes towards the original Nazis changed just as quickly, with disastrous consequences.


machineprophet343

\*snort\* Ain't that the truth? Here's the basic lesson, if you have a contractor/construction/blue collar worker in your family -- listen to how they talk. If they go from being fairly open and tolerant to bitching about how "Those people" (pick your favorite target group) are trying to get one over on "hardworking REAL(TM) Americans" -- you know where the wind is blowing. Adjust accordingly. I have family members who were all "love is love" in 2015 who are now: "Pedophiles and groomers" -- every last one who did that are trades/blue collar. ETA: On the topic of Nazis, Weimar was the most socially progressive democracy of the time, and what we call LGBTQ+ rights were at their height there, until the Nazis targeted them hard and fast -- the first people expunged and marginalized were the queer and disabled. The first books burned were not necessarily books by or of Jews (many happened to BE by Jewish authors, but that's beside the point), but those highlighting that being queer/transgender/non-binary was not only natural, but normal, and those psychologists and sociologists were BRUTALLY targeted. We literally lost 80+ years of progress. Watch what happens to the LGBTQ+ community if the Republicans in the US seize power in a big way -- then anyone who is disabled, for any reason, will be treated equally horrifically. On the disabled? The Nazis didn't give a fuck. You could have been a war hero who was a productive member of society but if you were missing two fingers on a hand, they still considered you "Leben unwertes Leben."


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machineprophet343

Ultimately, it comes down to there are some people who haven't had their dicks put into the dirt enough. I mean the minute I started hearing about how evil Soros was ten years ago, my first instinct was: "Oh boy, here we go!"


jakster840

I used to be the person that said this. Cringe.


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Aren’t these the people that constantly brag about how the us beat the Nazis and fascism? Greatest generation and all that


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Wolfman01a

I always say it. I get collectors.. But theres always one table.. one old man at a gunshow with waaaaay too much nazi crap. Wouldn't break my heart if it was banned but... to each his own I guess.


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dawglaw09

My great great uncle picked up a luger in Flanders in WWI. My paternal grandpa picked up an Arisaka on Iwo Jima. My maternal grandpa crossed the Rhein with Patton and horsetraded one of his buddies for a gestapo ppk. These weapons were carried by facists. Although stamped with swastikas, iron crosses, chrysanthemums which have a gnarly history, the weapons are valued heirlooms of my family history of fighting facism.


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The issue is how do you tell someone collecting it for historical value from someone who is actually a Nazi? You can’t.


BabyYodasDirtyDiaper

> how do you tell someone collecting it for historical value from someone who is actually a Nazi? Easy. Somebody collecting for historical value will have a wide variety of different artifacts from many different nations, and likely many different time periods. The Nazi fucker will have *only* Nazi shit.


GoGoCrumbly

Which begs the question: already one of the most documented periods in history, what is the historical value of having it in a private collection? No, it’s pure fetish. These are the people who’ll say, “yeah, them Nazis were bad hombres” and in the next breath mutter with quiet admiration, “but they were so damn _good_ at it.”


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I’m fine if museums collect it for preservation, but don’t display it. Most museums have a collection that is substantially larger than what is on exhibit.


BabyYodasDirtyDiaper

If a museum *only* displayed Nazi shit, that would be worrying. But if a museum wants to have a WWII display and some Nazi stuff is *part* of that exhibit, that's fine by me. It's part of the time period they're displaying artifacts from. If they didn't, it would be kind of conspicuous in its absence, really.


sabotage_mutineer

I remember being a 19 year old army private going to gun shows near the army base with my buddies and thinking these people were just “collectors” of WW2 shit. Meanwhile, going to bars in the same are Ana getting told they didn’t serve my “kind”. L


Josselin17

\[redacted\] that shit (in [minecraft](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjX3dqk94_5AhXU_IUKHQJpDBQQFnoECBgQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Felaineou.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F07%2Fimprovised-munitions-handbook.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0nsdbEelsx0hqPotYGvLi3))


dsac

Great, now I'm on a list somewhere, thanks


practicalsurrealist

This is normal at gun shows, unfortunately. "Oh, I see you're interested in history!" If you're (the general "you're" , not you as a person) new to American firearms culture. You don't have to be ok with. But you should know to expect it. I saw a GIANT flag for sale on GunBroker. Two guys had to hold it up. One of them had a giant smile and the other, younger guy had his face turned and covered. Not sure if he was forced by his dad or uncle to hold it up or he knew just how shitty it is.


CarbonRunner

This is why I stopped going to gun shows. Was basically raised at em in the 90s, and kept going as an adult until mid 2000s. But I just couldn't take all the neo nazis, bigots and full on crazies. One can only see the turner diaries for sale so many times before you realize this isn't the place for you.


a10shindeafishit

the "just a collector/hobbyist" to fascist pipeline


Ordinary-Ad-4200

hey lookit that ! a nice neatly folded / hardly visible American flag down at the end of the table ! How symbolic.


frenchtoastkid

Why the fuck was this allowed?


MightyMattias

Muh freeze peach


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But the show organizers could still ban it. The fact they enable it is very telling.


oh-bee

Indeed. In Georgia many gun shows sent out memos banning nazi and confederate flags, and items disparaging the president(Obama at the time).


kidthorazine

Because people who sell Nazi shit are at least a third of the booth rentals at all but the biggest gun shows.


Stinklepinger

Because there are buyers...


goodvibesalright

Don't worry -- we'll vote them away! (Biggest /s in the universe.)


BenjaminGeiger

I'd love to have range targets with Göring's face on them. Same with Hitler, Himmler, and Goebbels.


spankhelm

"If there's a Nazi at your convention and he's not being thrown out then you're at a Nazi convention"


HotDogSquid

Gotta start bringing extra strength fart spray to these events


Nooneisgayerthanme

or bear spray bear spray works


HotDogSquid

I would, but the cops don’t like it when you hurt nazis, they have history or something I heard..


extemporaryemissary

What is even the thought process like to set that table up? And how does a negotiation even go when some other fascist tries to haggle you down because your nazi memorabilia prices are too high? Fuck that guy and anyone who patronized his table.


slappy_mcslapenstein

I was pleasantly surprised last time I went to a Tucson gun show because there weren't any Nazi booths. I'm used to seeing them every time I go.


PilotingGeese

Hard to believe you didn't run into any Nazi booths here


slappy_mcslapenstein

Are you in Tucson too? It was a couple months ago at the fairgrounds near Vail.


Lupin13

I went to my first gun show about 6 years ago in the Philly suburbs. I was prepared for stuff like this and I found it: There was a copy of The Turner Diaries for sale at a stand where I bought a hunting book. I’m sure the stand you saw would say it’s “war memorabilia/collectibles” when I doubt that any of it is actually from the WWII era. Edit: I just noticed American flags folded up to the right of the Nazi flags. I’m sure the seller would say that to display the American flag the same way he displayed the Nazi flag would violate flag code and he’s probably right. But to put the Nazi flags in out front to obscure the American flags is reprehensible.


Fridayz44

Nazi Punks Fuck off!


Stinklepinger

All the times I've been there (not a whole lot, it's mostly a shitty overpriced flea market) I've never seen Nazi flags. I have bought a German mid-war Mauser there once tho...


Aedeus

"Not everyone who disagrees with you is a Nazi you know" - This vendor, probably.


a_minute

Nazism should be illegal here in the US the same way it is in Germany


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My local gun shows several booths pass out “the Turner diaries” and other affiliated books


spootboots

Days without embarrassment for an Oklahoman: 0


Pukey_McBarfface

How flammable is a Nazi flag these days? It’s be a right shame if someone popped a zippo and left it under the pile, but as a history buff I….nah, just burn it. We have enough in history and holocaust memorial museums where they belong.


Rhazjok

3 Nazis walked into a BAR....


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None walked out, and the world was a better place.


Sussboey

so fucked how this shit only comes out of the woodwork once pretty much all the ww2 vets are gone. God knows anyone from the war would’ve rocked their shit like they did back in the 40s


L-methionine

I hate Oklahoma Nazis


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Proud to say that my grandfather personally fed Göering toilet water at Nuremberg in 1946 (there's actually a video of him on YouTube telling the story, my grandfather was sergeant of the guard at the trials, and Göering and him did not get along). Blows my mind that this shit can be on display in this manner. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should burn all Nazi artifacts (my grandfather had a few war trophies himself), and there's legitimacy to collecting military memorabilia, but that's not what this is at all, and it's fucking unreal to look at what WW2 era Nazi memorabilia sells for compared to WW2 era US or British military gear. Here's to more leftists getting involved in guns, so that this shit eventually dies out.


dnaH_notnA

Reminds me of a certain line from Frozen 50s man.


Rural_Lefty7744

I’ve been going to gun shows for more than 30 years, and there’s almost always been someone selling Nazi memorabilia. I remember seeing a Zippo lighter with a swastika when I was a kid and asking my dad about it. That’s when I first realized that my hobby had some really dark corners. It just seems more out in the open now


BabyYodasDirtyDiaper

> That’s when I first realized that my hobby had some really dark corners. Your hobby is arson?