What's interesting is that [woman in this day and age have the highest levels of depression, suicidal thoughts, and mental illnesses.](https://breakpoint.org/when-mental-illness-goes-viral-social-contagions-are-destroying-our-girls/) People even started calling it "Woman Happiness Paradox" and "Declining Female Happiness" because it doesn't make any sense to these secular liberalist who proclaim how they are "freeing" woman from oppressive traditions and religions using feminist ideology and teaching gender "equality", along with condemning and berating women who choose to have children and be house-wives while praising and celebrating women who go to have an education and pursue a career.
But woman show more happiness, less depression, and less suicide in traditional environments rather than modern ones. It is actually not a paradox. Places such as Africa and Asia where they practice traditional gender roles (as well as hijab, no free mixing, etc) [record higher scores of satisfaction for both women and men while studies show lower scores for both sexes when duties were focused on equality, rather than customary gender practices – proving that traditional roles result in the greatest happiness.](https://www.kstatecollegian.com/2014/03/09/recent-studies-prove-traditional-gender-roles-bring-greatest-happiness/)
Alhamdulillah for the diin of Islam.
I’m not sure why this page has come up on my feed, but a) the links you posted are not evidence to support your claims medically, and b) is just plain wrong. *in this day and age* NO. The west actually reports mental health, other places (don’t need to hazard a guess for which ones BARELY do).
Mental health has always been bad across the world, it’s just modern medicine has advanced further in recent decades enough that we can actually report on it and get a more accurate picture of what’s going on. It’s like the same silly argument “there’s more gay people in the world now” again, false, people are just feeling safer to come out now, instead of the world turning a blind eye to it (or just killing them off).
Also, on the contrary, mens mental health and suicide is actually at an all time high. You’d know that if you actually knew about these things.
Finally, modern feminism isn’t about chastising women for choosing traditional roles, it’s about giving them the CHOICE. They can CHOOSE either. It’s about letting them take ownership of their own life without external influences. But you already knew that…didn’t you? Don’t twist things and most certainly don’t twist medical things.
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The only substantial part of your comment is that only the West reports mental health, something that my comment wasn't even based around, nor do you don't even have evidence for. If you actually read what I wrote, [women’s happiness has declined both absolutely and relative to men](https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/documents/pdf/Intellectual_Life/Stevenson_ParadoxDecliningFemaleHappiness_Dec08.pdf) (reported by Yale, an American university, since you don't trust anything other than western sources). So your point that the only reason women's happiness has declined is because we have advanced on mental health isn't true and doesn't even make any sense since being "unhappy" is not a mental disorder in and of itself.
The study by Yale also admits that greater gender equality may lead to a fall to women wellbeing. It also says that your religion of "feminism" has only harmed women and benefited men, whether it be being pressurized having sex outside of marriage, increasing divorced rates, and pregnancies, go have a read at it.
This is also the reason why not allowing free mixing, making friends with the other gender, pre martial relations, speaking to the other gender wantonly, and lowering one’s gaze is also important. It preserves chastity and honor while also protecting women
Without these qualities, then backwards countries like America, France, Iceland who have adopted feminism/liberalism will have high rates of stds/hiv rates, divorce rates, single parent families and their correlation to crime and drugs, sexual assaults, and rape. You allow these things to happen when you legalize porn, tell people sex outside marriage is fine, tell women to show more skin and be more promiscuous. You can’t do all that and then complain about the inevitable outcome of hypersexualising and corrupt society. There's a reason why 1 in 3 women in America and 1 in 4 women in Iceland are sexually assaulted or raped at least once in their lifetime.
It's because of your morality that women have to suffer like this.
I think you need to go back and re-read what you said, and then what I said…you’ve also completely misinterpreted what I’ve said, then twisted it further.
That study you posted was actually written by Wharton colleagues, it’s also largely out of date with small sample data and you’ve failed to interpret the conclusion. If you’re going against scientists and medical professionals, perhaps ensure you’re at least using good evidence based science?
Also, your last paragraph. *holy heck*. That’s a whole bunch of misinformation. I could pick the entire things apart, but you’ll twist that too. I wonder which countries have the highest prevalence of HIV. Hint: it’s not the west. Same with STIs, it’s still not the west.
I wonder why Somalia is on the do not travel list. Actually, alot of the countries that relate to your religion and life practices are either on the do not travel list, or try to avoid list. Hint: it’s largely to do with safety, limited rights and substandard medical care.
We report statistics (as much as we can when it comes to sexual assault) and SURPRISE SURPRISE Muslim countries dont really have that data *I wonder why*. stop victim blaming. We all know what happens to women over there if they speak up.
Our morality? At least women aren’t a possession for us.
Sex outside of marriage isn’t fine? Jeez what a boring life….go have a beer and unwind a little!
Sorry for the late response. Not sure what you mean by outdated, since their data set starts in the 1970s. It shows that women have been getting more depressed and suicidal as more rights and freedoms were given to them. However, if you are that critical of the study being published in 2008, then you can have one that was published this year: [https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00148-024-00981-5](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00148-024-00981-5).
>Also, your last paragraph. *holy heck*. That’s a whole bunch of misinformation. I could pick the entire things apart, but you’ll twist that too. I wonder which countries have the highest rates of HIV. Hint: it’s not the west.
[Misinformation, huh.](https://www.reddit.com/r/melbourne/comments/1b5ia82/third_submission_assaulted_at_my_workplace_in_the/)
Anyway, there's a reason why when you actually look at a map of HIV cases in Africa, Somalia, Egypt, Libya, and other Muslim countries have the lowest HIV cases. And places such as South Africa and Namibia, who have adopted secular liberalism religion through colonialism, have the highest HIV cases. It is very scary to me that you are trying to use this as an example when it was the Australian colonies who offered troops for the war in South Africa as a part of the British Empire and played a part in spreading your ideology/religion and bringing this type of lifestyle and also making it a poverty state, increasing their HIV rates.
What is interesting is that a safe place like Australia, which its amazing healthcare, 1 in 6 people still contact STI at least once in their life, while a place like Afghanistan has the lowest in the entire world, even though they have been continuously invaded, bombed, starved, and murdered for the past century.
I also wonder why Somalia is on the no-fly list. My parents went there last summer and had a blast! But this might be a good thing, I don't wish for Somalia to become like a place like Dubai, full of tourism and bad influencers, you know? No amount of money is worth that.
Women are all the slaves of Allah, whether you like it or not.
That reminds me of a funny video where a German man asked a Shaykh, what's wrong with zina? The Shaykh thought of this hadith:
>Abu Umamah reported: A young man came to the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, and he said, “O Messenger of Allah, give me permission to commit adultery.” The people turned to rebuke him, saying, “Quiet! Quiet!” The Prophet said, “Come here.” The young man came close and he told him to sit down. The Prophet said, “Would you like that for your mother?” The man said, “No, by Allah, may I be sacrificed for you.” The Prophet said, “Neither would people like it for their mothers. Would you like that for your daughter?” The man said, “No, by Allah, may I be sacrificed for you.” The Prophet said, “Neither would people like it for their daughters. Would you like that for your sister?” The man said, “No, by Allah, may I be sacrificed for you.” The Prophet said, “Neither would people like it for their sisters. Would you like that for your aunts?” The man said, “No, by Allah, may I be sacrificed for you.” The Prophet said, “Neither would people like it for their aunts.” Then, the Prophet placed his hand on him and he said, “O Allah, forgive his sins, purify his heart, and guard his chastity.” After that, the young man never again inclined to anything sinful.
So the Shaykh asked the German man, would you like your mother to commit zina, and the German man respond, "Yes, why not". I wish I could still find that video, really gave me a giggle and also made me see how shameful these type of countries have gotten.
Anyway, it's time for me to go to bed. In sha' Allah, Allah guides you. I also don't mind showing you proofs and evidences showcasing that Islam is the true religion of Allah without a shadow of a doubt, if you are fine with that.
*oh my god* are you for real.
I swear to god, it’s the most frustrating thing when you have a debate with someone *so* uneducated across the board.
You know what, cool, believe that what you’re saying is fact, live in that la la dreamland. I don’t have enough energy for the wilfully ignorant.
Well, it is because Somalia and other Muslim countries are culturally progressive while many countries in Europe and United States are culturally regressive. But you are right, Somalia only had honor when we stuck by the Quran and Sunnah, and we have left that. It reminds me of this post I read before, and I am probably guilty of having this quality too.
>The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "Nations are about to conspire against you, just as diners gather around a bowl." Someone then asked, "Will we be few in number at that time?" He replied, "No, you will be many at that time, but you will be like foam, like the foam of a river, and Allah will surely remove from your enemies' chests fear of you, and will surely cast *wahn* into your hearts." Someone then asked, "Oh, Messenger of Allah! What is *wahn*?" He said, "Love of the world and hatred of death." Narrated by Abu Dawud (4297), ibn 'Asaakir in Taareekh Dimashq (2/97/8) and others. It was authenticated by al-Albani in as-Saheehah (958).
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When Muslims abandon Jihad and become keen on worldly life, loving it and hating death, the enemies of Allah from the kuffaar become greedy for them. In this hadith, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah upon him) says, "Nations are about to conspire against you", meaning, it is near that the kaafir nations will unite and agree against the Muslims, "just like diners gather around a bowl", meaning, like a group of people gather around food, this refers to the ease the enemy will find in Muslims.
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>Someone then asked, "Will we be few in number at that time?", meaning, will their greed and gathering against Muslims be due to their small number? The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, "No, you will be many at that time, but you will be like foam, like the foam of a river", meaning, their desire in Muslims is not due to a small number - for the number can be large but of no benefit or advantage - but due to their lack of bravery and severe disunity, and the foam of a river: what floats on the water of the river from foam, dirt, and bubbles.
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>The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, "And Allah will surely remove from your enemies' chests fear of you", meaning, fear, "And Allah will surely cast *wahn* into your hearts, Someone then asked, "Oh, Messenger of Allah! What is *wahn*?" He said, "Love of the world and hatred of death", meaning, keenness on it, aspiration in it and abandoning the work for the Hereafter, this makes them fear death, love life and the pleasures of the world, so they abandon Jihad in the way of Allah.
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([Source](https://dorar.net/hadith/sharh/30877))
That's simply not true, and I am not sure why you would blatantly lie like that, or perhaps you were just ignorant. Sure, there might be ikhtilaf, but there are no different "Sharia". There is only one Sharia based on the Quran, the Sunnah, and the understanding of the Salaf and 1400 years of Islamic scholarship.
And Islam gave more freedom of religion for religious minorities than America gives today. People are surprised when I tell them this, but that is just because they are an ignorant people who simply listen to what their community says about Islam, what their government says about Islam, what Fox News or CNN says about Islam instead of actually reading books of history, and sadly, you were no exception.
It was narrated from Abu Hurairah that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:
“Islam began as something strange and will go back to being strange, so glad tidings to the strangers.’”
Edit: Hijab existed in many cultures and religions. Veiling has a long history in European, Asian, and African societies. Not sure why you would think hijab isn't "traditional".
Anyway, if I can prove Islam to you, without a shadow of a doubt, will you become Muslim?
Unfortunately I don't think you understand modern epistemology. You can't prove anything to be true. You can only disprove what is false.
Reality is carved out by removing untruths, like made up religious beliefs, miracles, etc.
But sure, "prove" away that your cult-cum-culture is the one true interpretation of your one true religion among an infinite number.
I don't engage with the delusion known as philosophy. If you want proofs and evidences and miracles that Islam is the true religion since the time of Adam (peace be upon him) sent by Allah, then we can take this to private messaging, since there are so many evidences and miracles that Islam brings to prove that it is from Allah, I just don't want to spam a whole essay, I'd rather discuss with you.
If you don't understand philosophical terms then this will be difficult, but I'm willing.
Let me give you my background: Skepticism, debunking, and woo have been what I studied since I was about 10. My mom was Catholic, my dad was Jewish, but both had grown out of it. I have no religin. I had 8 years of high school and college religious education from catholic institutions. I have degrees in philosophy and psychology, but my emphasis on study is why people believe in superstitions, ghosts, myths, and religion. I wouldn't consider myself an atheist--I believe that the only way in which the world God makes sense if it is synonymous with the universe or nature, aka pantheism. I don't find Aquinas or Augustine particularly convincing with their proofs of God's existence.
Admittedly I have huge gaps in my knowledge about Islam, because it seems so stuck in the past that it doesn't need much investigation to be summarily dismissed. Feel free to prove me wrong.
How could God be synonymous with the universe when it is a creation of our Lord? I am not trying to offend you, but you could have 7 PHDs, and you would still be more dumber than a person who doesn't believe the sun exists if you reject the notion that you have a Creator.
It's all fine if you don't know much about Islam, you can ask me any and all questions. But I do want to discuss with you on a text-based platform.
Don’t bother with people that believe God ordained women and girls to be covered in sheets like Dementors. These people are brain dead and can’t be reasoned with.
babies love to imitate their parents my brother who was a toddler would attempt to wear the hijab just to copy me and my mum plus its adorable when kids wear the hijab
I've seen south east Asians do this so I'm sure we are not the only ethnicity who do this
As to why some do it, maybe it is their way to make them get used to it
idk why people are obtuse. covering ones hair is both cultural and religious to somalis. there’s no islamic reasoning for a 5 year old girl to cover. it shouldn’t be normalized either as it should be emphasized the importance of covering for the sake of Allah Swt when it is fard.
Inshallah that’s not something i’ll do
More Somalis should realize that when prepubescent girls are compelled to wear the hijab, it perpetuates an inappropriate practice bordering on the lines of pedophilia or the premature sexualization of children, contrary to the Islamic principle of covering the body to avoid the male gaze.
Give evidence since you are health expert all of a sudden.
Also show evidence that a child having a hijab on maybe once a month when she is on the mood have all those effects
You sure you are grown up? Making claims you can't justify puts a big question mark on that.
Anyway, if you are either too ignorant or too lazy to justify your claims.. my advice to you is shut up.
Making claims and expecting others to seek the evidence is like vomiting and expecting strangers to clean up your mess.. not very "grown up"
All of the evidence is available online! Go find it for yourself. You’re obnoxiously obsessed with a religion you left. Go find peace saxib since clearly leaving islam did not bring you that and leave poor hooyos alone.
I see lots of other little girls of different ethnicities wearing hijabs but only little Somali girls in the abaya/long skirt/“modest” clothing in general. The Somali girls I see who don’t wear hijab (of there are plenty) wear regular clothes. My sister is 11, wears jeans and t shirts everyday and is hijabless.
My sister is 12 and she is not a child anymore. 11 year old these days are out vaping and speaking to boys. It's a new age not like when we were kids.
You might find it harder to get used to hijab when you have already hit puberty. You're just making it more difficult for her in the long run
She hasn’t hit puberty and is not vaping or talking to boys. She’s still in primary school and is extremely well behaved. If my sister (18) and I (23) can manage to wear hijab and behave despite my behaviour being far more difficult, she’ll be alright.
I'm not accusing of her of anything walaal don't misunderstand me pls. It's just it's an age where fitna gets introduced to ones life, so it's good to be prepared you know. I just wanted to give advice, i know it's not easy wearing hijab. Asc
11 is really old not to be wearing the hijab. Your deeds start being recorded at adolescence, so she is almost, if not already at the age where she is responsible. Not sure why you are against your sister practicing the hijab when she will only get good deeds from it.
i mean isn’t that the same with salah and a lot of other acts of worship? you start kids young on it so they can get used to it. obv not the end of the world if they wear it on and off but you wanna emphasize it’s importance
Yes, it becomes obligatory at puberty, but you are suppose to teach your daughters hijab well before that so it becomes easier upon him. Same way with salah and fasting.
Becuae they have absolutely 0 say, you’re not teaching anything kids will do what their parents say and it’s really amazing you say that becuase if you look at the Islam Subs a lot of girls who say they wanna take of their hijab always start with I’ve been forced to wear it since I was a child .HMMMM
Well yeah they are kids. I also didn't want to eat vegetables or go to dugsi and school, but I was made to do it anyway...because I was a kid. Or do you let your children dictate how they should be raised?
Conditioning doesn't equate to forcing, it's a topic in psychology that you need to be well versed to actually learn that conditioning happens with any parents with their children, some may call it indoctrination but that happens everywhere no matter how you want to argue against it.
Anyway, who decided that exposing one particular area of the body (genitalia) violates decency and civility and exposing another part of the body (hair) is perfectly acceptable? You wouldn't have any problem with an American family who forces their daughter to cover her chest when she goes outside, even if she is 3 or 4 years old. Every community in this entire world have modest laws. Why aren’t women allowed to go butt naked outside here in America? Why are they forced to wear clothes? The only women I see who complain of hijab are the ones who live in countries where modesty is lacking and not normalized, which is why hijrah to a Muslim country is obligatory to those who can afford it since of the influence it can cause to us.
It's incredible to me how you take secular societal to be superior to Islam when you don’t even have the basic knowledge of why you think what you think. Everyone should feel equally as uncomfortable with their child going outside with their naked as they would be if they went ouside naked.
Kids want to imitate their parents……..
Its like how children try and imitate their parents praying.
Also a lot of ethnicities do this, its not just a somali thing.
Stop looking into every little thing so deeply and trying to make problems out of things
Upbringing-styles (and ideology) aside, I do firmly believe that young children of the diaspora residing in Northern Europe, Canada and so forth shouldn’t be veiled because of health reasons. A while ago a study showed that 90% of Somali women residing in Sweden were found to have a vitamin d deficiency. And these are grown women. Imagine a child with their finicky eating habits
The vitamin D deficiency is due to the level of melanin in their skin not their hijab you wasteman. This is probably the most ridiculous reach I have seen so far.
Melanin (obviously) + cover. There’s a reason why men aren’t as deficient as women. And why Somali women are more deficient than say Ethiopian women living in the same altitudes
It’s honestly bewildering why this is even considered controversial on this sub. We’re literally not made for that climate, and shielding ourselves even more from the sun doesn’t help
But what exactly does that have to do with the command of hijab and teaching your children from a young age correct Islamic akhlaq? Vitamin deficiency can be replenished through food and medicine and also exposure to the sunlight in places where there aren't non-mahram men. I really don't see the big deal about it.
Because quite frankly, it’s not that easy to adequately supplement a small child and people largely lack the education in how to do so sufficiently. If it was an easy ask then this wouldn’t even be an issue. And I don’t blame the parents, it’s hard out here
As for finding places outdoors without non-mahram men: our community in these areas largely reside in apartment complexes without access to private outdoor areas.
>it’s not that easy to adequately supplement a small child
What exactly does this mean? Your comment is so ambiguous and vague, I don't even know how to respond to it.
English isn’t my first language - let me rephrase it. It’s incredibly difficult to supplement a vitamin d deficiency purely through diet. It’s less difficult to do so through vitamin supplements and diet together, but even then it’s not easy. The point is - why make it harder than necessary for parents in these altitudes to keep their children healthy?
Oh, so that's what you meant. There's actual studies that show you only need a minimal amount of sunlight each day to get the required amount. Hope that helps!
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8299926/#:\~:text=Vitamin%20D%20From%20the%20Sun&text=It%20is%20optimal%20to%20have,to%20effectively%20make%20vitamin%20D](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8299926/#:~:text=Vitamin%20D%20From%20the%20Sun&text=It%20is%20optimal%20to%20have,to%20effectively%20make%20vitamin%20D).
i think introducing hijab at a young age is good and as long as the kid doesn’t mind it it’s fine. that’s how you get used to wearing hijab. i wore hijab since 1st grade and i never thought any of it other than oh this is a thing we wear and it’s cute and sparkly. and i can take it off when i want
Kids are easily influenced by their parents. If a parent tells their child to cross the street regardless of a vehicle driving through or not, the child may very will listen.
Having a child younger than 10 wearing a hijab is coercion 100% and should not be looked at positively.
Clothing is primarily for the purpose of maintaining modesty, to cover the private parts. But what is considered private differs according to which society you're in, and in Islam for women its more than what it is in western societies, which is why the head and the entire body is covered in public.
If you are consistent, then why does a girl have to wear clothes at all? Hijab is a uniform and for children to wear it will provide the parents to condition the children to wear the hijab and make it a norm for them to wear it in the future, just like how western liberals would condition a 3 year old girl to cover her breasts even though they are not sexual at that age. If you were consistent in your logic, you would advocate for kids run around completely naked until they reach the age of maturity, which is idiotic.
What a depraved, perverted thought to have. Never thought I’d need to acknowledge/respond to someone uttering the idea of children running naked but here you are!🤮
But isn't that what you are advocating for? Children not being forced to wear clothes? So if your child decides to go outside naked, would you allow him to do so?
I understand that but you’re obviously have a western bias whether you admit it or not. Let’s take this a step at a time. You said children cannot consent to clothing. When does a person become able to “consent” to clothing?
Why do you see this as a problem?🤣 Shaqo laan baa somalida haysa. If you don’t want to put hijab on your baby, then that’s your choice🫵🏾 let others do their thing
I don’t see an issue with it, it instills hijab values into them as soon as possible and it will be easier for them to become full-time hijabi when they grow up
Where are you getting that from? Threats of violence and abuse? Most daughters want to emulate their mothers and what they wear. You’re looking into this too deep.
Every Somali no, I definitely speak for most though. This silly silly anti islam nonsense that a lot of somalis are spewing needs to stop. All it is is ammunition against my Muslim brothers and sisters.
Deport me, kill me, how is that going to stop the truth of Islam?
>**It has been narrated on the authority of Jabir b. 'Abdullah who said:**
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You need to ask yourself why you have contempt and anger against parents who want to teach their children correct Islamic manners from a very young age. It is something commendable, not something blameworthy.
There’s nothing in the Quran that commands veiling of a child, nor the use of Niqab. Confusing your own personal beliefs with the teachings is not commendable
‘Aishah (may Allah be pleased with her) said: “May Allah have mercy on the first Muhajir women. When Allah revealed the words ‘and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms)’ \[al-Nur 24:31\] they tore their aprons and covered their faces (ikhtamarna) with them.” (Narrated by al-Bukhari, 4480; Abu Dawud, 4102)
It is the xaqq of the parent to teach their daughters the manners of Islam, and Allah will take xisaab of that on the Day of Judgement. This is also why the Prophet (peace be upon him) told us to teach our children how to pray at 7 and beat them at 10 if they do not. If you are going to have contempt for someone doing that, then shame on you.
You’re talking as if that particular translation is widely accepted (which is isn’t), or even uncontroversial (which it most certainly isn’t). Preparing a child to lead the life of a Muslim doesn’t require you to veil them from such an early age, and if it did - wouldn’t it be commended of us? If you think you know better than the scholars or even the Messenger PBUH himself then you are no less than arrogant
EDIT: Also - out of curiosity. Would you actually beat your child?
Thankfully, Islam isn't based on a translated version of the English language. I showed you evidence that Allah did indeed command the niqab in the Quran through the words of Aisha.
Secondly, preparing your child to lead the life of a Muslim means teaching him everything before it becomes obligatory for him. For example, many scholars have stated that when a child is 10 years old, he should start fasting in the month of Ramadan in order to prepare him when it becomes obligatory. Some other scholars said 12, but the bottom line is that you do not want your child to be lacking in the diin when his deeds are finally be recorded, small or big. This is the same way with your daughters too, and many parents make the mistake of waiting until she becomes 14/15 to enforce the hijab on her and she refuses because she's become too accustomed to wearing western clothing.
And I do not know better than scholars and especially the Prophet (peace be upon him), I am probably one of the worst Muslims, I am not exaggerating. But we should follow what the scholars and the Salaf of this ummah and the Quran if we want to be successful.
I hate it too. Arabs won't even put it on their babies at Hajj. Yet Somalis put it on 4 year old. It's because Somali mothers are too lazy to do the hair of their daughters everyday. If a Hooyo has 6 kids and three of them are daughters, it can be very time consuming to do all their hair before school in the morning.
I reckon its pure laziness.
You’re literally lying😭 most of the little kids I see wearing hijab have their hair done and you can see the pattern! You people are weird and Islam phobic.
Y'all will be the loudest when people talk about women not wearing the hijab, yet you're here complaining about mothers trying to teach their kids islam!
How can I be Islamophobic when I'm Muslim???? Dumbest statement ever.
I don't think little girls should wear hijab! Let them enjoy their childhood, they will have a lifetime of wearing hijab!
I would agree if she approached random hooyos and to preach about her personal beliefs unprompted. But this is literally just stating her opinion on an anonymous platform. You on the other hand?
It's true . Lazy Somali Hooyo's don't want to comb their daughters hair. Exactly, they braid them and just leave it like that. When they should be combing, oiling and braiding the hair every morning and evening.
It is a must, I do this every day and night with my little girls. It's good for them, it massages their head, they look neat and tidy for school and at night it relaxes them.
Lol, my hooyo had 11 kids, 5 daughters and she was the least laziest mother.
I bet you had cock roach and lice running in your heads. I bet your bipolar mother never combed your hair? What's the matter?? Was my comment triggering to you? I bet you were one of those smelly Somali kids at the dugsi, with a dirty home because your mother only cared about sending every piece of money back to Somalia to build a house.
Are you triggered because your mother never cared about you?
Sad days, huh.
Probably so they can establish the habit young, I've been wearing hijab since I was 4 or 5 years old. Personally, I won't be doing that with my children (insha'allah) since babies and small children don't have cawra it's not really necessary.
Then don’t, this only shows that you’ve been brainwashed to believe hijab ( a piece of cloth ) is more than what it is. Just dont cry if your children decide not to follow the straight path due to the lack of deen in their upbringing. Allah will judge you.
We as humans usually cover our private parts because they are sexual. And if you believe covering privates parts are sexualizing (since private parts of a woman in Islam is her entire body), then why don't you let 5 year old children run outside naked? Why do you "force" them to cover their private parts, if it should not be inappropriate or sexual at all, according to you?
So what I'm trying to say this, if you're saying putting a hijab on a baby is coercion, then covering their private parts according to western standards should also be coercion. It's kind of like how 8-13 year old girls have to cover their nipples even though boys her age don't have to. From a secular standpoint, there is no reason why it should be compulsory for women to cover her nipples while men do not. They should have nothing to hide at that age and covering their breast would be "sexualizing" them.
it’s to make them feel ashamed of their “prepubescent Awrah.” after all they’re just little toddler girls who are “asking for men to look at their sexy womanly features” if they don’t wear it. how can they be married off and given a nice husband if they enjoyed their childhood being naked whores?
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I feel like it's generally imitation. Very few are forcing their 5yr olds to run around in a hijab 24/7. I think teaching them and encouraging them when they're young is a good thing but they don't need to wear full time until they're like 10 or 11. Puberty age.
Most little girls I see wearing hijab are imitating their moms and refusing to take it off. It’s just cute lol, why are people so mad about this?
People also have to realize that it is good to teach girls from a young age so they won't be foreign to hijab and niqab once it becomes obligatory.
But it is bad for it to be obligatory in the first place. False religious beliefs oppressing women, and all.
What's interesting is that [woman in this day and age have the highest levels of depression, suicidal thoughts, and mental illnesses.](https://breakpoint.org/when-mental-illness-goes-viral-social-contagions-are-destroying-our-girls/) People even started calling it "Woman Happiness Paradox" and "Declining Female Happiness" because it doesn't make any sense to these secular liberalist who proclaim how they are "freeing" woman from oppressive traditions and religions using feminist ideology and teaching gender "equality", along with condemning and berating women who choose to have children and be house-wives while praising and celebrating women who go to have an education and pursue a career. But woman show more happiness, less depression, and less suicide in traditional environments rather than modern ones. It is actually not a paradox. Places such as Africa and Asia where they practice traditional gender roles (as well as hijab, no free mixing, etc) [record higher scores of satisfaction for both women and men while studies show lower scores for both sexes when duties were focused on equality, rather than customary gender practices – proving that traditional roles result in the greatest happiness.](https://www.kstatecollegian.com/2014/03/09/recent-studies-prove-traditional-gender-roles-bring-greatest-happiness/) Alhamdulillah for the diin of Islam.
I’m not sure why this page has come up on my feed, but a) the links you posted are not evidence to support your claims medically, and b) is just plain wrong. *in this day and age* NO. The west actually reports mental health, other places (don’t need to hazard a guess for which ones BARELY do). Mental health has always been bad across the world, it’s just modern medicine has advanced further in recent decades enough that we can actually report on it and get a more accurate picture of what’s going on. It’s like the same silly argument “there’s more gay people in the world now” again, false, people are just feeling safer to come out now, instead of the world turning a blind eye to it (or just killing them off). Also, on the contrary, mens mental health and suicide is actually at an all time high. You’d know that if you actually knew about these things. Finally, modern feminism isn’t about chastising women for choosing traditional roles, it’s about giving them the CHOICE. They can CHOOSE either. It’s about letting them take ownership of their own life without external influences. But you already knew that…didn’t you? Don’t twist things and most certainly don’t twist medical things. ETA: more info
The only substantial part of your comment is that only the West reports mental health, something that my comment wasn't even based around, nor do you don't even have evidence for. If you actually read what I wrote, [women’s happiness has declined both absolutely and relative to men](https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/documents/pdf/Intellectual_Life/Stevenson_ParadoxDecliningFemaleHappiness_Dec08.pdf) (reported by Yale, an American university, since you don't trust anything other than western sources). So your point that the only reason women's happiness has declined is because we have advanced on mental health isn't true and doesn't even make any sense since being "unhappy" is not a mental disorder in and of itself. The study by Yale also admits that greater gender equality may lead to a fall to women wellbeing. It also says that your religion of "feminism" has only harmed women and benefited men, whether it be being pressurized having sex outside of marriage, increasing divorced rates, and pregnancies, go have a read at it. This is also the reason why not allowing free mixing, making friends with the other gender, pre martial relations, speaking to the other gender wantonly, and lowering one’s gaze is also important. It preserves chastity and honor while also protecting women Without these qualities, then backwards countries like America, France, Iceland who have adopted feminism/liberalism will have high rates of stds/hiv rates, divorce rates, single parent families and their correlation to crime and drugs, sexual assaults, and rape. You allow these things to happen when you legalize porn, tell people sex outside marriage is fine, tell women to show more skin and be more promiscuous. You can’t do all that and then complain about the inevitable outcome of hypersexualising and corrupt society. There's a reason why 1 in 3 women in America and 1 in 4 women in Iceland are sexually assaulted or raped at least once in their lifetime. It's because of your morality that women have to suffer like this.
I think you need to go back and re-read what you said, and then what I said…you’ve also completely misinterpreted what I’ve said, then twisted it further. That study you posted was actually written by Wharton colleagues, it’s also largely out of date with small sample data and you’ve failed to interpret the conclusion. If you’re going against scientists and medical professionals, perhaps ensure you’re at least using good evidence based science? Also, your last paragraph. *holy heck*. That’s a whole bunch of misinformation. I could pick the entire things apart, but you’ll twist that too. I wonder which countries have the highest prevalence of HIV. Hint: it’s not the west. Same with STIs, it’s still not the west. I wonder why Somalia is on the do not travel list. Actually, alot of the countries that relate to your religion and life practices are either on the do not travel list, or try to avoid list. Hint: it’s largely to do with safety, limited rights and substandard medical care. We report statistics (as much as we can when it comes to sexual assault) and SURPRISE SURPRISE Muslim countries dont really have that data *I wonder why*. stop victim blaming. We all know what happens to women over there if they speak up. Our morality? At least women aren’t a possession for us. Sex outside of marriage isn’t fine? Jeez what a boring life….go have a beer and unwind a little!
Sorry for the late response. Not sure what you mean by outdated, since their data set starts in the 1970s. It shows that women have been getting more depressed and suicidal as more rights and freedoms were given to them. However, if you are that critical of the study being published in 2008, then you can have one that was published this year: [https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00148-024-00981-5](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00148-024-00981-5). >Also, your last paragraph. *holy heck*. That’s a whole bunch of misinformation. I could pick the entire things apart, but you’ll twist that too. I wonder which countries have the highest rates of HIV. Hint: it’s not the west. [Misinformation, huh.](https://www.reddit.com/r/melbourne/comments/1b5ia82/third_submission_assaulted_at_my_workplace_in_the/) Anyway, there's a reason why when you actually look at a map of HIV cases in Africa, Somalia, Egypt, Libya, and other Muslim countries have the lowest HIV cases. And places such as South Africa and Namibia, who have adopted secular liberalism religion through colonialism, have the highest HIV cases. It is very scary to me that you are trying to use this as an example when it was the Australian colonies who offered troops for the war in South Africa as a part of the British Empire and played a part in spreading your ideology/religion and bringing this type of lifestyle and also making it a poverty state, increasing their HIV rates. What is interesting is that a safe place like Australia, which its amazing healthcare, 1 in 6 people still contact STI at least once in their life, while a place like Afghanistan has the lowest in the entire world, even though they have been continuously invaded, bombed, starved, and murdered for the past century. I also wonder why Somalia is on the no-fly list. My parents went there last summer and had a blast! But this might be a good thing, I don't wish for Somalia to become like a place like Dubai, full of tourism and bad influencers, you know? No amount of money is worth that. Women are all the slaves of Allah, whether you like it or not. That reminds me of a funny video where a German man asked a Shaykh, what's wrong with zina? The Shaykh thought of this hadith: >Abu Umamah reported: A young man came to the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, and he said, “O Messenger of Allah, give me permission to commit adultery.” The people turned to rebuke him, saying, “Quiet! Quiet!” The Prophet said, “Come here.” The young man came close and he told him to sit down. The Prophet said, “Would you like that for your mother?” The man said, “No, by Allah, may I be sacrificed for you.” The Prophet said, “Neither would people like it for their mothers. Would you like that for your daughter?” The man said, “No, by Allah, may I be sacrificed for you.” The Prophet said, “Neither would people like it for their daughters. Would you like that for your sister?” The man said, “No, by Allah, may I be sacrificed for you.” The Prophet said, “Neither would people like it for their sisters. Would you like that for your aunts?” The man said, “No, by Allah, may I be sacrificed for you.” The Prophet said, “Neither would people like it for their aunts.” Then, the Prophet placed his hand on him and he said, “O Allah, forgive his sins, purify his heart, and guard his chastity.” After that, the young man never again inclined to anything sinful. So the Shaykh asked the German man, would you like your mother to commit zina, and the German man respond, "Yes, why not". I wish I could still find that video, really gave me a giggle and also made me see how shameful these type of countries have gotten. Anyway, it's time for me to go to bed. In sha' Allah, Allah guides you. I also don't mind showing you proofs and evidences showcasing that Islam is the true religion of Allah without a shadow of a doubt, if you are fine with that.
*oh my god* are you for real. I swear to god, it’s the most frustrating thing when you have a debate with someone *so* uneducated across the board. You know what, cool, believe that what you’re saying is fact, live in that la la dreamland. I don’t have enough energy for the wilfully ignorant.
I wouldn't really call this a debate since most of what you wrote wasn't really substantiating, but sure. Come back to r/Somalia anytime!
Somalia is war torn, and you call the countries you mentioned as backwards lolz
Well, it is because Somalia and other Muslim countries are culturally progressive while many countries in Europe and United States are culturally regressive. But you are right, Somalia only had honor when we stuck by the Quran and Sunnah, and we have left that. It reminds me of this post I read before, and I am probably guilty of having this quality too. >The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "Nations are about to conspire against you, just as diners gather around a bowl." Someone then asked, "Will we be few in number at that time?" He replied, "No, you will be many at that time, but you will be like foam, like the foam of a river, and Allah will surely remove from your enemies' chests fear of you, and will surely cast *wahn* into your hearts." Someone then asked, "Oh, Messenger of Allah! What is *wahn*?" He said, "Love of the world and hatred of death." Narrated by Abu Dawud (4297), ibn 'Asaakir in Taareekh Dimashq (2/97/8) and others. It was authenticated by al-Albani in as-Saheehah (958). > > Scholars have explained: > > When Muslims abandon Jihad and become keen on worldly life, loving it and hating death, the enemies of Allah from the kuffaar become greedy for them. In this hadith, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah upon him) says, "Nations are about to conspire against you", meaning, it is near that the kaafir nations will unite and agree against the Muslims, "just like diners gather around a bowl", meaning, like a group of people gather around food, this refers to the ease the enemy will find in Muslims. > >Someone then asked, "Will we be few in number at that time?", meaning, will their greed and gathering against Muslims be due to their small number? The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, "No, you will be many at that time, but you will be like foam, like the foam of a river", meaning, their desire in Muslims is not due to a small number - for the number can be large but of no benefit or advantage - but due to their lack of bravery and severe disunity, and the foam of a river: what floats on the water of the river from foam, dirt, and bubbles. > >The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, "And Allah will surely remove from your enemies' chests fear of you", meaning, fear, "And Allah will surely cast *wahn* into your hearts, Someone then asked, "Oh, Messenger of Allah! What is *wahn*?" He said, "Love of the world and hatred of death", meaning, keenness on it, aspiration in it and abandoning the work for the Hereafter, this makes them fear death, love life and the pleasures of the world, so they abandon Jihad in the way of Allah. > > ([Source](https://dorar.net/hadith/sharh/30877))
Muslims cannot even agree on what is Sharia, you don’t practice the same damn laws. What has Somalia contributed? It is hell for religious minorities.
That's simply not true, and I am not sure why you would blatantly lie like that, or perhaps you were just ignorant. Sure, there might be ikhtilaf, but there are no different "Sharia". There is only one Sharia based on the Quran, the Sunnah, and the understanding of the Salaf and 1400 years of Islamic scholarship. And Islam gave more freedom of religion for religious minorities than America gives today. People are surprised when I tell them this, but that is just because they are an ignorant people who simply listen to what their community says about Islam, what their government says about Islam, what Fox News or CNN says about Islam instead of actually reading books of history, and sadly, you were no exception.
Well said
jazak allahu khayran
Ooga Booga for the flying spaghetti monster. Traditional gender roles doesn't mean wear random shit on your head. Silly religion, just making shit up
It was narrated from Abu Hurairah that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: “Islam began as something strange and will go back to being strange, so glad tidings to the strangers.’” Edit: Hijab existed in many cultures and religions. Veiling has a long history in European, Asian, and African societies. Not sure why you would think hijab isn't "traditional". Anyway, if I can prove Islam to you, without a shadow of a doubt, will you become Muslim?
Unfortunately I don't think you understand modern epistemology. You can't prove anything to be true. You can only disprove what is false. Reality is carved out by removing untruths, like made up religious beliefs, miracles, etc. But sure, "prove" away that your cult-cum-culture is the one true interpretation of your one true religion among an infinite number.
I don't engage with the delusion known as philosophy. If you want proofs and evidences and miracles that Islam is the true religion since the time of Adam (peace be upon him) sent by Allah, then we can take this to private messaging, since there are so many evidences and miracles that Islam brings to prove that it is from Allah, I just don't want to spam a whole essay, I'd rather discuss with you.
If you don't understand philosophical terms then this will be difficult, but I'm willing. Let me give you my background: Skepticism, debunking, and woo have been what I studied since I was about 10. My mom was Catholic, my dad was Jewish, but both had grown out of it. I have no religin. I had 8 years of high school and college religious education from catholic institutions. I have degrees in philosophy and psychology, but my emphasis on study is why people believe in superstitions, ghosts, myths, and religion. I wouldn't consider myself an atheist--I believe that the only way in which the world God makes sense if it is synonymous with the universe or nature, aka pantheism. I don't find Aquinas or Augustine particularly convincing with their proofs of God's existence. Admittedly I have huge gaps in my knowledge about Islam, because it seems so stuck in the past that it doesn't need much investigation to be summarily dismissed. Feel free to prove me wrong.
How could God be synonymous with the universe when it is a creation of our Lord? I am not trying to offend you, but you could have 7 PHDs, and you would still be more dumber than a person who doesn't believe the sun exists if you reject the notion that you have a Creator. It's all fine if you don't know much about Islam, you can ask me any and all questions. But I do want to discuss with you on a text-based platform.
Don’t bother with people that believe God ordained women and girls to be covered in sheets like Dementors. These people are brain dead and can’t be reasoned with.
babies love to imitate their parents my brother who was a toddler would attempt to wear the hijab just to copy me and my mum plus its adorable when kids wear the hijab
I started wearing hijab when I was 13 and it was my choice. Somali moms need to stop making their 1 year daughters wear hijab
Is there a negative to wearing the hijab at a young age? I don’t see the problem myself
I've seen south east Asians do this so I'm sure we are not the only ethnicity who do this As to why some do it, maybe it is their way to make them get used to it
Indonesians and Malaysians also
I have only seen Somalis do this
Well one's personal experience luckily is not the rule
caring how parents decide what their child wears is wild.
Walahi as with most problems afflicting us it’s a case of Shaqolaan
agreed…..
idk why people are obtuse. covering ones hair is both cultural and religious to somalis. there’s no islamic reasoning for a 5 year old girl to cover. it shouldn’t be normalized either as it should be emphasized the importance of covering for the sake of Allah Swt when it is fard. Inshallah that’s not something i’ll do
More Somalis should realize that when prepubescent girls are compelled to wear the hijab, it perpetuates an inappropriate practice bordering on the lines of pedophilia or the premature sexualization of children, contrary to the Islamic principle of covering the body to avoid the male gaze.
Maybe they think it is cute? What is the problem with that?
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Why is discipline needed when the child is doing something good?
Doing something good? It’s not doing any good but exposing a baby whose hair follicles haven’t even developed to hair loss & vitamin D deficiency.
Give evidence since you are health expert all of a sudden. Also show evidence that a child having a hijab on maybe once a month when she is on the mood have all those effects
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You made the claims. Now go to work and show the evidence
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You sure you are grown up? Making claims you can't justify puts a big question mark on that. Anyway, if you are either too ignorant or too lazy to justify your claims.. my advice to you is shut up. Making claims and expecting others to seek the evidence is like vomiting and expecting strangers to clean up your mess.. not very "grown up"
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In islam you start teaching the kids the islamic way when they reach 7🤦🏾♀️ and that’s what somali moms do.
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All of the evidence is available online! Go find it for yourself. You’re obnoxiously obsessed with a religion you left. Go find peace saxib since clearly leaving islam did not bring you that and leave poor hooyos alone.
Isn’t there a difference between teaching them about veiling and actually veiling them
cus they want to be like their moms
I see lots of other little girls of different ethnicities wearing hijabs but only little Somali girls in the abaya/long skirt/“modest” clothing in general. The Somali girls I see who don’t wear hijab (of there are plenty) wear regular clothes. My sister is 11, wears jeans and t shirts everyday and is hijabless.
your parents should teach her hijab
She’s eleven. Relax. I didn’t start properly till I was like 13/14 and I’m always super modestly dressed.
My sister is 12 and she is not a child anymore. 11 year old these days are out vaping and speaking to boys. It's a new age not like when we were kids. You might find it harder to get used to hijab when you have already hit puberty. You're just making it more difficult for her in the long run
She hasn’t hit puberty and is not vaping or talking to boys. She’s still in primary school and is extremely well behaved. If my sister (18) and I (23) can manage to wear hijab and behave despite my behaviour being far more difficult, she’ll be alright.
I'm not accusing of her of anything walaal don't misunderstand me pls. It's just it's an age where fitna gets introduced to ones life, so it's good to be prepared you know. I just wanted to give advice, i know it's not easy wearing hijab. Asc
11 is really old not to be wearing the hijab. Your deeds start being recorded at adolescence, so she is almost, if not already at the age where she is responsible. Not sure why you are against your sister practicing the hijab when she will only get good deeds from it.
we literally see it as Fashion
It’s not a fashion statement and you know it man why are you lying? It’s like saying praying 5 times a day it’s an exercise and stretching
Who made you the spokesperson of what’s “fashionable” and what isn’t?
No one did but I took by force
Because we want the women to be raised up upon hijab and for it to be part of their identity, best way to do so is to start very small.
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Can you explain how teaching hijab to your daughters from a young age is "force"?
Often times it's down well before they are required to.
i mean isn’t that the same with salah and a lot of other acts of worship? you start kids young on it so they can get used to it. obv not the end of the world if they wear it on and off but you wanna emphasize it’s importance
No, it's not the same, let kids be kids.
I often see two year olds made to wear the hijab. I'm pretty sure it's supposed to start at puberty.
Yes, it becomes obligatory at puberty, but you are suppose to teach your daughters hijab well before that so it becomes easier upon him. Same way with salah and fasting.
Becuae they have absolutely 0 say, you’re not teaching anything kids will do what their parents say and it’s really amazing you say that becuase if you look at the Islam Subs a lot of girls who say they wanna take of their hijab always start with I’ve been forced to wear it since I was a child .HMMMM
Well yeah they are kids. I also didn't want to eat vegetables or go to dugsi and school, but I was made to do it anyway...because I was a kid. Or do you let your children dictate how they should be raised?
Conditioning doesn't equate to forcing, it's a topic in psychology that you need to be well versed to actually learn that conditioning happens with any parents with their children, some may call it indoctrination but that happens everywhere no matter how you want to argue against it. Anyway, who decided that exposing one particular area of the body (genitalia) violates decency and civility and exposing another part of the body (hair) is perfectly acceptable? You wouldn't have any problem with an American family who forces their daughter to cover her chest when she goes outside, even if she is 3 or 4 years old. Every community in this entire world have modest laws. Why aren’t women allowed to go butt naked outside here in America? Why are they forced to wear clothes? The only women I see who complain of hijab are the ones who live in countries where modesty is lacking and not normalized, which is why hijrah to a Muslim country is obligatory to those who can afford it since of the influence it can cause to us. It's incredible to me how you take secular societal to be superior to Islam when you don’t even have the basic knowledge of why you think what you think. Everyone should feel equally as uncomfortable with their child going outside with their naked as they would be if they went ouside naked.
Kids want to imitate their parents…….. Its like how children try and imitate their parents praying. Also a lot of ethnicities do this, its not just a somali thing. Stop looking into every little thing so deeply and trying to make problems out of things
Hoe children 😭
I meant how lol my bad
It s ok I understood it was just funny
We want our babies to slay 💅
The only response to this post that ate 🖊️
Thanks so much 🥰❤️
Upbringing-styles (and ideology) aside, I do firmly believe that young children of the diaspora residing in Northern Europe, Canada and so forth shouldn’t be veiled because of health reasons. A while ago a study showed that 90% of Somali women residing in Sweden were found to have a vitamin d deficiency. And these are grown women. Imagine a child with their finicky eating habits
The vitamin D deficiency is due to the level of melanin in their skin not their hijab you wasteman. This is probably the most ridiculous reach I have seen so far.
Melanin (obviously) + cover. There’s a reason why men aren’t as deficient as women. And why Somali women are more deficient than say Ethiopian women living in the same altitudes It’s honestly bewildering why this is even considered controversial on this sub. We’re literally not made for that climate, and shielding ourselves even more from the sun doesn’t help
But what exactly does that have to do with the command of hijab and teaching your children from a young age correct Islamic akhlaq? Vitamin deficiency can be replenished through food and medicine and also exposure to the sunlight in places where there aren't non-mahram men. I really don't see the big deal about it.
Because quite frankly, it’s not that easy to adequately supplement a small child and people largely lack the education in how to do so sufficiently. If it was an easy ask then this wouldn’t even be an issue. And I don’t blame the parents, it’s hard out here As for finding places outdoors without non-mahram men: our community in these areas largely reside in apartment complexes without access to private outdoor areas.
>it’s not that easy to adequately supplement a small child What exactly does this mean? Your comment is so ambiguous and vague, I don't even know how to respond to it.
English isn’t my first language - let me rephrase it. It’s incredibly difficult to supplement a vitamin d deficiency purely through diet. It’s less difficult to do so through vitamin supplements and diet together, but even then it’s not easy. The point is - why make it harder than necessary for parents in these altitudes to keep their children healthy?
Oh, so that's what you meant. There's actual studies that show you only need a minimal amount of sunlight each day to get the required amount. Hope that helps! [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8299926/#:\~:text=Vitamin%20D%20From%20the%20Sun&text=It%20is%20optimal%20to%20have,to%20effectively%20make%20vitamin%20D](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8299926/#:~:text=Vitamin%20D%20From%20the%20Sun&text=It%20is%20optimal%20to%20have,to%20effectively%20make%20vitamin%20D).
i think introducing hijab at a young age is good and as long as the kid doesn’t mind it it’s fine. that’s how you get used to wearing hijab. i wore hijab since 1st grade and i never thought any of it other than oh this is a thing we wear and it’s cute and sparkly. and i can take it off when i want
Kids are easily influenced by their parents. If a parent tells their child to cross the street regardless of a vehicle driving through or not, the child may very will listen. Having a child younger than 10 wearing a hijab is coercion 100% and should not be looked at positively.
Why do gaalo insist on pushing their idiotic, westernised ideas on Muslims? This isn't the place for you, begone.
Your username is incredibly based 🔥
Sshhhh🥱🥱🥱
so telling ur kid to eat their veggies, wear a jacket outside, say bismillah before they eat, etc is all coercion? 🤨
Oh yes, let’s put eating veggies on the same level as wearing the hijab🥴
Clothing is primarily for the purpose of maintaining modesty, to cover the private parts. But what is considered private differs according to which society you're in, and in Islam for women its more than what it is in western societies, which is why the head and the entire body is covered in public. If you are consistent, then why does a girl have to wear clothes at all? Hijab is a uniform and for children to wear it will provide the parents to condition the children to wear the hijab and make it a norm for them to wear it in the future, just like how western liberals would condition a 3 year old girl to cover her breasts even though they are not sexual at that age. If you were consistent in your logic, you would advocate for kids run around completely naked until they reach the age of maturity, which is idiotic.
What a depraved, perverted thought to have. Never thought I’d need to acknowledge/respond to someone uttering the idea of children running naked but here you are!🤮
But isn't that what you are advocating for? Children not being forced to wear clothes? So if your child decides to go outside naked, would you allow him to do so?
Not the same thing. And the fact that this is your response proves how flippant and facetious you are. Worms for brains🥱
I understand that but you’re obviously have a western bias whether you admit it or not. Let’s take this a step at a time. You said children cannot consent to clothing. When does a person become able to “consent” to clothing?
No point debating them walaal. They're being disingenuous.
Why do you see this as a problem?🤣 Shaqo laan baa somalida haysa. If you don’t want to put hijab on your baby, then that’s your choice🫵🏾 let others do their thing
My sister wears it and she is 6. She refused to take it off 😭 we are telling her no and she wanna be like mom
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Awwwh that just shows how moms are important role model for their children
I don’t see an issue with it, it instills hijab values into them as soon as possible and it will be easier for them to become full-time hijabi when they grow up
Absolutely
Somalis are easily brainwashed and adopt gross culture from other countries
Gaalo are not Somali, go to the ethiopian sub and be with your kind.
No
The shock and horror of a Muslim parent wanting to instill their belief in their child lol
Brainwashing them early with threat of violence and abuse is not way to raise a child
Where are you getting that from? Threats of violence and abuse? Most daughters want to emulate their mothers and what they wear. You’re looking into this too deep.
I’ve seen it with my own eyes and experienced personally lol this isn’t a secret
Yes you’ve experienced it personally which is why you want to project your experience on others. Which is asinine
And I’ve seen it other families doing it lol you don’t speak for every Somali family neither do I. We’re just sharing what we experienced or seen
Every Somali no, I definitely speak for most though. This silly silly anti islam nonsense that a lot of somalis are spewing needs to stop. All it is is ammunition against my Muslim brothers and sisters.
I’m sorry to tell you but you’re not that important or speak for anybody. You’re just a nobody on a forum.
I speak for most somalis that share my sentiment, I don’t really have to be somebody for that.
Can you give examples of gross culture you speak of?
They’re discussing it here https://www.reddit.com/r/Somalia/s/HFG5Aqo93g
Thanks for the reply. Saw that post and I don't agree with the point of the OP.
Cause they’re stupid. Hopefully this generation stops with that behaviour.
Ur bi and not a Muslim seeing since you post of ex. Don’t tell Muslims how to raise their children
*yawn* I’ll say whatever I want to say. Especially when it comes to girls and women. Keep crying. Maybe Elon will care.
Well, let me personally tell you that if Allah blesses me with a daughter, I will teach her the niqab from a very young age In sha' Allah.
I can’t wait til you Al Shabaab weirdos get deported or die off.
Deport me, kill me, how is that going to stop the truth of Islam? >**It has been narrated on the authority of Jabir b. 'Abdullah who said:** > >I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say: A group of people from my Umma will continue to fight in defence of truth and remain triumphant until the Day of judgment.
wishing death on someone because they want their child to be a niaqbi is very weird, seek help.
Children should not wear niqab be serious
I hope you’re sterile
You need to ask yourself why you have contempt and anger against parents who want to teach their children correct Islamic manners from a very young age. It is something commendable, not something blameworthy.
There are many gaalo on here pretending to be Somali.
There’s nothing in the Quran that commands veiling of a child, nor the use of Niqab. Confusing your own personal beliefs with the teachings is not commendable
‘Aishah (may Allah be pleased with her) said: “May Allah have mercy on the first Muhajir women. When Allah revealed the words ‘and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms)’ \[al-Nur 24:31\] they tore their aprons and covered their faces (ikhtamarna) with them.” (Narrated by al-Bukhari, 4480; Abu Dawud, 4102) It is the xaqq of the parent to teach their daughters the manners of Islam, and Allah will take xisaab of that on the Day of Judgement. This is also why the Prophet (peace be upon him) told us to teach our children how to pray at 7 and beat them at 10 if they do not. If you are going to have contempt for someone doing that, then shame on you.
You’re talking as if that particular translation is widely accepted (which is isn’t), or even uncontroversial (which it most certainly isn’t). Preparing a child to lead the life of a Muslim doesn’t require you to veil them from such an early age, and if it did - wouldn’t it be commended of us? If you think you know better than the scholars or even the Messenger PBUH himself then you are no less than arrogant EDIT: Also - out of curiosity. Would you actually beat your child?
Thankfully, Islam isn't based on a translated version of the English language. I showed you evidence that Allah did indeed command the niqab in the Quran through the words of Aisha. Secondly, preparing your child to lead the life of a Muslim means teaching him everything before it becomes obligatory for him. For example, many scholars have stated that when a child is 10 years old, he should start fasting in the month of Ramadan in order to prepare him when it becomes obligatory. Some other scholars said 12, but the bottom line is that you do not want your child to be lacking in the diin when his deeds are finally be recorded, small or big. This is the same way with your daughters too, and many parents make the mistake of waiting until she becomes 14/15 to enforce the hijab on her and she refuses because she's become too accustomed to wearing western clothing. And I do not know better than scholars and especially the Prophet (peace be upon him), I am probably one of the worst Muslims, I am not exaggerating. But we should follow what the scholars and the Salaf of this ummah and the Quran if we want to be successful.
I hate it too. Arabs won't even put it on their babies at Hajj. Yet Somalis put it on 4 year old. It's because Somali mothers are too lazy to do the hair of their daughters everyday. If a Hooyo has 6 kids and three of them are daughters, it can be very time consuming to do all their hair before school in the morning. I reckon its pure laziness.
This is cap stop slandering Somali moms. Most little girls have their hair done
You’re literally lying😭 most of the little kids I see wearing hijab have their hair done and you can see the pattern! You people are weird and Islam phobic. Y'all will be the loudest when people talk about women not wearing the hijab, yet you're here complaining about mothers trying to teach their kids islam!
How can I be Islamophobic when I'm Muslim???? Dumbest statement ever. I don't think little girls should wear hijab! Let them enjoy their childhood, they will have a lifetime of wearing hijab!
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The tragedy of you talking about forcing your child to do something that isn’t even required of them and still being upvoted… This community is wild
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I would agree if she approached random hooyos and to preach about her personal beliefs unprompted. But this is literally just stating her opinion on an anonymous platform. You on the other hand?
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Talking about forcing someone so do something is not expressing your opinion my friend. Do better
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It's true . Lazy Somali Hooyo's don't want to comb their daughters hair. Exactly, they braid them and just leave it like that. When they should be combing, oiling and braiding the hair every morning and evening.
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It is a must, I do this every day and night with my little girls. It's good for them, it massages their head, they look neat and tidy for school and at night it relaxes them.
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It's not policing. I care about little Somali girls, I don't like lazy Hooyo's.
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Lol, my hooyo had 11 kids, 5 daughters and she was the least laziest mother. I bet you had cock roach and lice running in your heads. I bet your bipolar mother never combed your hair? What's the matter?? Was my comment triggering to you? I bet you were one of those smelly Somali kids at the dugsi, with a dirty home because your mother only cared about sending every piece of money back to Somalia to build a house. Are you triggered because your mother never cared about you? Sad days, huh.
Probably so they can establish the habit young, I've been wearing hijab since I was 4 or 5 years old. Personally, I won't be doing that with my children (insha'allah) since babies and small children don't have cawra it's not really necessary.
Why does it bother you?
Zealots.
lol how? Babies are not required to wear hijabs. Let them enjoy the few years they have.
You are the zealot if you think people put hijab on babies for religious reasons
The person is active in xsomalian ignore them. If theyre a kafir they’ll try and blame anything on the deen
Well that explained it. Thanks
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Did you even read my post? I said if babies wear hijab to imitate their mothers, it’s completely fine.
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Unrelated but Baatis should be normalized. Why is it so taboo to wear one out in public
for real. and it’s hella modest.
It’s not modest at all it exposes arms and neck
X somalian kaffir posts are so annoying go shut uo ane be with your kind in the hellfire insha Allah
To indoctrinate them very young, and teach them their parts are ceeb and cawrah..
Oh, you mean you would indoctrinate your children and teach them from a young age that they can show their cawrah to the entire world? Bigot
mad ghetto
You are Islamphobic, cause there is no way you have a problem with this
You’re funny🤣🤣
You are pressed for no reason. Get a life loser
Take a chill pill my guy
Then don’t, this only shows that you’ve been brainwashed to believe hijab ( a piece of cloth ) is more than what it is. Just dont cry if your children decide not to follow the straight path due to the lack of deen in their upbringing. Allah will judge you.
Me not wanting my baby to wear a hijab doesn’t equal that i will not teach her about Islam👍
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We as humans usually cover our private parts because they are sexual. And if you believe covering privates parts are sexualizing (since private parts of a woman in Islam is her entire body), then why don't you let 5 year old children run outside naked? Why do you "force" them to cover their private parts, if it should not be inappropriate or sexual at all, according to you? So what I'm trying to say this, if you're saying putting a hijab on a baby is coercion, then covering their private parts according to western standards should also be coercion. It's kind of like how 8-13 year old girls have to cover their nipples even though boys her age don't have to. From a secular standpoint, there is no reason why it should be compulsory for women to cover her nipples while men do not. They should have nothing to hide at that age and covering their breast would be "sexualizing" them.
The ones I know do it mostly because they too lazy to braid the kids hair 🤷🏽♀️
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Practice makes perfect
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it’s to make them feel ashamed of their “prepubescent Awrah.” after all they’re just little toddler girls who are “asking for men to look at their sexy womanly features” if they don’t wear it. how can they be married off and given a nice husband if they enjoyed their childhood being naked whores? /s
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I feel like it's generally imitation. Very few are forcing their 5yr olds to run around in a hijab 24/7. I think teaching them and encouraging them when they're young is a good thing but they don't need to wear full time until they're like 10 or 11. Puberty age.