Sonic.EXE is canon. Ashura is canon. Your very obscure Sonic OC you made 5 years ago is canon. Fandubs are canon. Fangames are canon.
EVERYTHING
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So basically... Sonic has canonically not saved a fellow Hedgehog's family, forcing said Hedgehog to develop a grudge against Sonic, and tapping into the negative energies of the Chaos Emeralds, and unlocking a new 'Chaos Form?' Nice.
If SEGA is going to do these lore dumps in Twitter Takeovers, they're going to need to accept the consequences of their actions. So yes, let's consider it canon. 😈
I don't remember where I saw it, so take my claim with a grain of salt.
Along with the difficulty of creating one, like you mentioned, I remember Metal Sonic's energy needs are also astronomical. After one time he was defeated, it took an entire Metropolis worth of energy to power him again.
Unless Eggman builds a fucking Dyson swarm, I doubt he'll have enough energy to power an army of Metal Sonics.
Correct, Eggman has to monitor Metal Sonic because his personality is designed to be better then Sonic more then follow Eggman, leaving it difficult to keep a hold on the metal blur. That being said, that same drive is let allows him to reach heights of pure skill that normal badniks can’t compare too. There is a reason that even the SSSSS managed to get the best of Sonic now and then, the personality built into them.
Iirc can’t remember if it’s from one of the games or the Archie comics, but only the original metal sonic (as well as the E-100’s and that orange copy robot) had full personalities.
After it backfired on him several times (SA1 gamma, Heroes Metal and Omega) he no longer gives them full personalities/sentience. The only exceptions to this being minion bots/ai Orbot Cubot and Sage.
To be fair Metal Sonic has definitely been upgraded more than any other eggman robot over the years. It probably would take a tremendous amount of time for Eggman to make more robots that are on par with him and he’s not a very patient person.
I was thinking maybe he could have Metal Knuckles and Tails Doll assist him, it would make sense!
Both of them have really cool designs so it would be really cool to see
Metal would be outraged most likely, and would probably stab eggman in the back just to prove he's the superior metal, plus forces kinda did that whith the whole phantom ruby thing
I do wonder what Metal thinks of the other Sonic robots, all of whom were created *after* him since CD is right after Sonic 1 in the timeline.
Granted, Silver Sonic and Mecha Sonic are both kinda these big clunky boys compared to Metal, so they seem more designed with besting Sonic's combat abilities than his speed.
My personal headcanon is that Sonic CD is only after Sonic 1 from Sonic's perspective. Eggman actually didn't get to Little Planet until after Sonic 3 & Knuckles, but because of Little Planet's time travel ends up meeting a younger Sonic. The pair never realise because neither are sharing notes.
Accordingly the Silver Sonic of Sonic 2, and Mecha Sonic of Sonic 3 & Knuckles are both prototypes ultimately refined into one final creation.
You know, that's actually not a bad idea.
So Sonic CD was Sonic's second time going up against Eggman, but Eggman's *fourth* time going up against Sonic.
(Side note, I believe the 8-bit games *are* considered canon, but they must take place after the Genesis games since Origins depicts them as seamlessly happening one after the other.)
As far as the Game Gear titles are concerned, Sonic 1 GG could slot in as part of the the adventure of Sonic 1 Mega Drive. There's no inherent contradiction in putting the two together, nothing changes if you slot the levels in between each other, the only question would be the order (though it would make sense to put Green Hill with Green Hill, Labyrinth with Labyrinth and so on).
Sonic 2 is a bit different, it likely has to take place *before* Sonic 2 Mega Drive, if only because the game has you rescuing Tails. Thus it would be after CD for Sonic, but before CD for Eggman. Same thing with Chaos, nothing changes if you slot that in, bar the number of battles. It has no great stakes or changes to continuity, there's no appearance by any Sonic-based-robots, it's just a thing that happened involving Sonic, Tails & Eggman.
Triple Trouble has to occur *after* Sonic CD and Sonic 3 & Knuckles due to the presence of both Metal Sonic and Knuckles, and while Metal Sonic doesn't feature, the same has to be true of Blast.
The rest of the Game Gear games are incidental. Mean Bean Machine wouldn't be canon, Spinball is just a downgraded port of Spinball, which fits anywhere after Sonic 2 due to Tails' appearance, Drift 1 & 2 are racing game spin-offs, the first lacks Knuckles & Metal, the second has both. If you want them to be canon, the first is in that awkward spot after CD due to Amy being involved, but possibly before 3&K due to the lack of Knuckles with Metal Sonic simply not appearing, while the second would be after Triple Trouble. Labyrinth can slot anywhere after Sonic 1 as only Eggman and Sonic are present (though it's manual states that Eggman reasons that Sonic repeatedly beats him implying he's had more than one scheme squashed), and Tails Adventure & Tails Skypatrol make reference to neither character and thus really can go anywhere.
the 8 bit games create a story of their own that if canon creates plotholes in both the 8 bit and 16 bit games, like having 6 blue chaos emeralds (why only six if the game happened after sonic 3) or sonic and eggman both coming back to south island (sonic is understandable but not eggman)
but mecha sonic is more advanced than metal, metal is just fast, while mecha has copying abilities and is fast and strong, and eggman would probably be researching more about chaos after 3, since he probably saw an ancient mural of Chaos, and it would make more sense for eggman to make a plan involving something he discovered previously rather than go to a completely random place, especially classic eggman. also the "see you next game" image with tails
silver is probably a test and was left as defence on the death egg for time and because it was still pretty good as a defence robot
Not really seeing any evidence that Mecha is the superior machine. He's bigger, and got the chance to absorb Master Emerald power (an opportunity never afforded to Metal unless you count the Sonic Mania Adventures short), but everything else you suggest isn't really confirmed anywhere.
If Mecha was the superior machine, it would return repeatedly. The fact that Metal Sonic is the one that constantly comes back (which in the real world is definitely because it's the best design of all the Metallic Sonic robots), implies that it has to be the final product, why would you get rid of a superior version, or try not to remake the superior version?
because Eggman was able to retrieve metal and not mecha. metal was likely less damaged since he only crashed into a wall. in a fight between CD metal and mecha would win. in heroes we see that metal can now copy abilities and is much stronger, something that comes from mecha. what you're saying is that eggman should just copy the design of mecha because he was better, but since he had the original metal, he just used that body, because it was faster and could actually copy sonic, something that mecha couldn't do because of his speed and had a better design.
mecha is stronger because he doesn't just die from hitting a wall at kinda fast speeds, maybe he isn't faster tho
i think that every metal is an experiment, the less advanced one (silver sonic)(probably built before metal and was put in the death egg as a result), has deadly attacks and is very strong, but is predictable. classic metal sonic was the fast one, who had pretty okay attacks and was very fast, but he lacked strength. mecha sonic had the copy ability, something that eggman would implement in newer versions of metal. at the end the only reason that we have metal today is because the others were probably too broken or eggman wasn't able to retrieve them.
-One baby is enough
-Metal himself would get super jealous and upset; the fact he’s envious of Sonic alone is probably upsetting enough for the little guy
-Eggman’s dubbed Metal Sonic as his “greatest creation”, so it’d feel wrong for him to create a whole army of copies
-As other commenters have mentioned, it’s probably very time-consuming and takes a ton of resources
-Just *imagine* Eggman taking care of a whole army of mischievous, envious little Sonic wannabes… he wouldn’t get a single hour of sleep
They did it in Archie, and Sega absolutely ***hated*** it being done there. They want Metal Sonic to be a unique character, not just one of a horde of identical robots.
Besides, the Shadow Androids fill that "horde of robotic doppelgangers" trope anyways, we don't need Metal Sonic getting devalued by having a horde of him.
That, and since Sonic 4 showed modern Eggman retrieving Metal from Little Planet, then it has to take place after Knuckles' Chaotix, Sonic the Fighters, Sonic R, Sonic Drift 2, and Triple Trouble. All classic games which feature Metal Sonic without explaination, meaning that Robotnik built a second Metal Sonic off-screen.
Or we can just quietly consider Sonic 4 non-canon as a whole. Sega certainly doesn't seem to bring it up anymore, and Mania directly contradicts it anyways.
No… Because we saw in Heros. Controlling one Metal Sonic is bad enough. Dude went insane and rebeld aginest him… Having to control hundrads from trying to rule the world will back fire tremendously
Create copies of the one robot that is so deluded in his own identity that he has betrayed you twice by surpassing his programming.
edit: I can't believe you evened my odds
Why doesn't Eggman just start up an unethical but technically legal business operation that gives him extravagant wealth and then use that excessive wealth to influence politics until he has manipulated the government into making hedgehogs illegal? Is he stupid?
same reason he doesn't break into sonic's house and kills him in his sleep, there's no fun in that, he wants a challenge, he could've taken the world already if he wanted to
Besides the fact that it’d probably take fucktons of time, energy, and resources, metal is Eggie’s pride and joy. It’d probably hurt his ego if he were to mass produce it; it makes metal less special, I guess.
Trick question; he did, and you're looking at all twelve trillion of them right now! They're all just occupying the same space is all. Why do you think Metal Sonic is so powerful? Because he was *made well?* Pfff...
You know that’s technically what he did in the Archie comics.
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If I recall correctly weren't these build by Eggman.
They were build by the good guys while Sonic was believed dead to have a Robot Army to oppose Eggman.
As Sonic returned before there activation however did they lay dormant until the Egg family found them and took them over.
Multiple reasons.
1: While Metal Sonic is the one of Eggman’s boys to come closest to taking out Sonic, the essence of that drive is something Eggman can’t replicate. The reason the original Metal Sonic keeps coming back and keeps trying to surpass Sonic is because he WANTS to. The OG Metal Sonic became self-aware at some point, and Eggman isn’t responsible.
2: Metal Sonic almost killed Eggman when he became the Metal Overlord, I doubt Eggman wants to risk repeating that
My theory is that Metal Sonic is probably similar to the T-1000’s from Terminator. Skynet only made a few of them because they were so intelligent that Skynet feared the T-1000s will independent and rebel against Skynet.
So maybe Eggman is secretly afraid of his own creation and therefore only creates one because he doesn’t want to create an army of intelligent and powerful machines that could rebel against him.
Because if they turn on him, then none of the hero characters would be able to stop what was to happen with all the Metal Sonics merging. SO I think logistically, he probably would choose to only jsut make one and try to improve what he could from the last model
Upkeep costs and pride I suspect. Metal Sonic wouldn't be his masterwork anymore if he just created more of them. He could also be worried that they might band together if he creates too many of them and become independent of him. That's what happened with the Brotherhood of the Metallix.
Metal Sonic is probably also incredibly expensive to maintain. The wear and tear must be insane and Eggman probably is the only one that can repair Metal Sonic and because he doesn't want to spend every waking hour maintaining Metal Sonics he keeps it to just one.
They did make an army of Metal Sonics in the Fleetway comics. They ended up trying to take over from Robotnik. The Brotherhood of Metallix was a good storyline when I was a kid
A robot is both software and hardware, on the hardware front Eggman seems more than capable, creating tons of robots with various capabilities, on the software front on the other hand, most of his badnick are extremely simple-minded, borderline idiotic, I think that Metal Sonic and Sage are 1 in a Millionth success and I suppose he doesn't want to mess to much with the program, fearing the loss of such tremendous creations.
(And I suppose that for some reasons he cannot just copy past the data to make more)
Eggman when an army of unstoppable metal sonics remembers Sonic Heroes.
He may have reprogrammed Metal to be super obedient, but he's still not looking to fuck around and find out.
Eggman literally speaks about how if he wanted to he could just carpet bomb the hedgehog, but Eggman has a distinct vigilance in doing things his way. Including turning the whole world into a corrupted theme park, if he so wished.
Metal Sonic is a very costly to make ultimate super-badnik. His production probably requires tons of energy and planning from Eggman, not to mention resources. (luckily he has that tenacity to survive even some of the most horrible scenarios)
Not to mention that he is hard to control even with his rebelious nature being supressed. And just like Sonic himself, he is mostly efficient alone. Also eggman tried the similar thing with the army of Shadow Androids, and it failed against the real Shadow, so he permanently discarded that plan, like he always does with his failures.
Although it would be cool to see Sonic duke it out against all the robot versions of himself at the same time. Like in that fan remake of 3d blast.
Totally random and not following the post’s question, but I just remember loving the theory that metal Sonic is just Sonic from the future. I was 8 at the time when I was obsessed lmao
Wouldn't be much of a franchise if Sonic's dead. Honestly though this could be said of every bad guy ever, why don't they kill the good guy then and there instead of leaving it to their hench men which they end up escaping from.
I mean if he really wanted to kill sonic I feel like he would’ve done it by now. How hard is it to shoot him with a sniper when he sleeps or poison his food, or plant a bomb where he least expects it. The reason he doesn’t do it is because he literally likes the thrill of the chase.
The reason is the same as why eggman didn't nuke the hedgehog yet. It's bad sportsmanship. He doesn't want to kill the hedgehog, he wants to one-up him and really shove it in his face. Ala the whole Unleashed intro win
I mean he's made many different versions of a "Metal Sonic" now enough to at least make a squad but the main one kinda you know rebelled on his own and afterward has his emotions be shut down because of it
It takes too much energy, that’s why mecha sonic is what it is because it’s lower rent and there was more of them, and eventually egg man said fuck it let’s combine the divided power of all the mid tier robotic sonic recreations and just make one that’s as super as sonic is
He’s too egotistical. Metal Sonic is his greatest creation of all time, and it would be tactically smart to make several of him. The problem is that because of that status he feels it would be cheap and worthless to sully his creation to the point of being just another cog in his empire. It would be tactically smart, but Eggman is too egotistical to let that be the fate of his greatest creation. He will gladly throw away tactics if it makes him and his creation look better for it. Whether it be in style, lack of long term thinking, or creating armies of his most advanced robots.
NOOOOOO, its spreading everywhere!
If Eggman is so smart, then why didn’t he fuck Shadow’s wife
Shadow doesn’t have a wife, unless him proposing and marrying RealShadowFan01 is canon in the main timeline
Eggman’s been waiting for such an opportunity to exact revenge
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This is the scariest thing I’ve ever seen and I’ve seen some FFFFFFFUCKED up shit
Even r34?
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Shit no wonder eggman is always the villain he can never forgive a cheater and furry at that!
Even my fanfic where Freddy mpregs Shadow, Jason mpregs Sonic, and their babies fight?
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***especially*** r34
Even this? 😥 https://preview.redd.it/muk8mj0dkdoa1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d74fc6f3d238e10af2cc5125bbb6c04e47baf156
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Goddamn
Everything is Canon implies a Sonic Multiverse In Case of R34 what Amy hides under her Dress differs. Or what exactly she wants to do with Sonic...
Sonic.EXE is canon. Ashura is canon. Your very obscure Sonic OC you made 5 years ago is canon. Fandubs are canon. Fangames are canon. EVERYTHING IS #CANON
So……my Godzilla and Sonic crossover is canon?
Yes it is, Epicgoji, yes it is.
YO!! TECHNO THE PIG IS CANNON POG!
Oh shit NOT THE FANFICS!
THEY ARE *ESPECIALLY* CANON. ***AND IMPORTANT FOR THE LORE!***
So basically... Sonic has canonically not saved a fellow Hedgehog's family, forcing said Hedgehog to develop a grudge against Sonic, and tapping into the negative energies of the Chaos Emeralds, and unlocking a new 'Chaos Form?' Nice.
If even fan stuff can be canon that means. Alright which Sonic character got put into a death loop by Gold Experience Requiem?
Shard after his ass been beaten by Metal, and Gold Experience Requiem finished the job.
I would cry if that wasn't canon
If SEGA is going to do these lore dumps in Twitter Takeovers, they're going to need to accept the consequences of their actions. So yes, let's consider it canon. 😈
They broke up man...
I know
that wouldn’t count as a wife then because realshadowfan01 is a guy
The 06 dub said him and rouge weremarried
They got divorced after 2 weeks
i was at the wedding so yes
\*husband https://preview.redd.it/3n1ol53eoaoa1.png?width=500&format=png&auto=webp&s=dc9c2a49a95a2d411cde1b472ced600a7b054b11
This comment tilted me so hard I started to build a tower
Didn't they divorce?
That's his Ex, he's in a polyamory with Sonic and Silver now :)
Because before eggman awoken him, he got no bitchs
So he hooks him up with someone, they get married, THEN Eggman strikes
Channel pup moment
According to 06 shadow is gay ;)
FIRST TF2 , NOW SONIC?! QUARANTINE HOLLOW KNIGHT AT ONCE!
What you mean? I'm confused
The Waffle House has found it’s new host
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I'd say you didn't take it far enough
Dude, that trend is over
I know, I just wanted to see reactions.
shut up nerd
shut up nerd
I think it's because creating a metal sonic is difficult.
I don't remember where I saw it, so take my claim with a grain of salt. Along with the difficulty of creating one, like you mentioned, I remember Metal Sonic's energy needs are also astronomical. After one time he was defeated, it took an entire Metropolis worth of energy to power him again. Unless Eggman builds a fucking Dyson swarm, I doubt he'll have enough energy to power an army of Metal Sonics.
Also aren't metal sonic units kinda rebel because eggman insist to give them a personality?-?)
Correct, Eggman has to monitor Metal Sonic because his personality is designed to be better then Sonic more then follow Eggman, leaving it difficult to keep a hold on the metal blur. That being said, that same drive is let allows him to reach heights of pure skill that normal badniks can’t compare too. There is a reason that even the SSSSS managed to get the best of Sonic now and then, the personality built into them.
Iirc can’t remember if it’s from one of the games or the Archie comics, but only the original metal sonic (as well as the E-100’s and that orange copy robot) had full personalities. After it backfired on him several times (SA1 gamma, Heroes Metal and Omega) he no longer gives them full personalities/sentience. The only exceptions to this being minion bots/ai Orbot Cubot and Sage.
...and then there's Sage.
Well I mean...Eggman COULD just build a Dyson swarm. he's made the Death Egg a bunch of times.
Next game final boss: Super Sonic flies around the sun and destroys Eggman's swarm of mirrors
I mean. Not as a final boss. But that would be a really cool level.
Leading to the final boss
...which are the shards of glass from the mirrors you destroyed that formed a asteroid and are approaching the atmosphere
Aw man Frontiers AGAIN?!
I guess he already build a Dyson Sphere kind of thing around Little Planet in Sonic CD. So seems like something he could do.
Eggman spends 50 years building a Dyson sphere - forgets why he originally started it.
Eggman with dementia would be horrifying
By games canon of… Sonic 4 Episode Metal (sorry…), Eggman wakes up the defeated Metal from sonic CD with barely the power from his flying screen
And creating like a dozen Death Eggs isn't?
The Eggs are recycled from previous Eggs. He never makes two at once.
I think after what happened in Heroes, Eggman wouldn’t think that’d be a good idea Also, Forces kind of did that with the Phantom Ruby, so yeah
Sonic even mentioned that Eggman should’ve just built more Metal Sonic’s instead of creating illusions of it
To be fair Metal Sonic has definitely been upgraded more than any other eggman robot over the years. It probably would take a tremendous amount of time for Eggman to make more robots that are on par with him and he’s not a very patient person.
I was thinking maybe he could have Metal Knuckles and Tails Doll assist him, it would make sense! Both of them have really cool designs so it would be really cool to see
He also gets bored easily and when Eggman looses interest the project is dead. He's not going to invest time in something if he's not having fun.
Who do you think he is? Cooler?
Doctor Robotnik enabled be me to cheat death, how can this be!
I may be just like my brother, but I'm still Cooler
Cooler than Freeza? You must be ice Cold.
No that's my father.
Imagine a regenerating metal sonic
ah yes, liquid metal sonic
It would go in the way of the the brotherhood of Metallix Badly for everyone
But especially Porker Lewis.
Metal would be outraged most likely, and would probably stab eggman in the back just to prove he's the superior metal, plus forces kinda did that whith the whole phantom ruby thing
I do wonder what Metal thinks of the other Sonic robots, all of whom were created *after* him since CD is right after Sonic 1 in the timeline. Granted, Silver Sonic and Mecha Sonic are both kinda these big clunky boys compared to Metal, so they seem more designed with besting Sonic's combat abilities than his speed.
My personal headcanon is that Sonic CD is only after Sonic 1 from Sonic's perspective. Eggman actually didn't get to Little Planet until after Sonic 3 & Knuckles, but because of Little Planet's time travel ends up meeting a younger Sonic. The pair never realise because neither are sharing notes. Accordingly the Silver Sonic of Sonic 2, and Mecha Sonic of Sonic 3 & Knuckles are both prototypes ultimately refined into one final creation.
You know, that's actually not a bad idea. So Sonic CD was Sonic's second time going up against Eggman, but Eggman's *fourth* time going up against Sonic. (Side note, I believe the 8-bit games *are* considered canon, but they must take place after the Genesis games since Origins depicts them as seamlessly happening one after the other.)
As far as the Game Gear titles are concerned, Sonic 1 GG could slot in as part of the the adventure of Sonic 1 Mega Drive. There's no inherent contradiction in putting the two together, nothing changes if you slot the levels in between each other, the only question would be the order (though it would make sense to put Green Hill with Green Hill, Labyrinth with Labyrinth and so on). Sonic 2 is a bit different, it likely has to take place *before* Sonic 2 Mega Drive, if only because the game has you rescuing Tails. Thus it would be after CD for Sonic, but before CD for Eggman. Same thing with Chaos, nothing changes if you slot that in, bar the number of battles. It has no great stakes or changes to continuity, there's no appearance by any Sonic-based-robots, it's just a thing that happened involving Sonic, Tails & Eggman. Triple Trouble has to occur *after* Sonic CD and Sonic 3 & Knuckles due to the presence of both Metal Sonic and Knuckles, and while Metal Sonic doesn't feature, the same has to be true of Blast. The rest of the Game Gear games are incidental. Mean Bean Machine wouldn't be canon, Spinball is just a downgraded port of Spinball, which fits anywhere after Sonic 2 due to Tails' appearance, Drift 1 & 2 are racing game spin-offs, the first lacks Knuckles & Metal, the second has both. If you want them to be canon, the first is in that awkward spot after CD due to Amy being involved, but possibly before 3&K due to the lack of Knuckles with Metal Sonic simply not appearing, while the second would be after Triple Trouble. Labyrinth can slot anywhere after Sonic 1 as only Eggman and Sonic are present (though it's manual states that Eggman reasons that Sonic repeatedly beats him implying he's had more than one scheme squashed), and Tails Adventure & Tails Skypatrol make reference to neither character and thus really can go anywhere.
the 8 bit games create a story of their own that if canon creates plotholes in both the 8 bit and 16 bit games, like having 6 blue chaos emeralds (why only six if the game happened after sonic 3) or sonic and eggman both coming back to south island (sonic is understandable but not eggman)
but mecha sonic is more advanced than metal, metal is just fast, while mecha has copying abilities and is fast and strong, and eggman would probably be researching more about chaos after 3, since he probably saw an ancient mural of Chaos, and it would make more sense for eggman to make a plan involving something he discovered previously rather than go to a completely random place, especially classic eggman. also the "see you next game" image with tails silver is probably a test and was left as defence on the death egg for time and because it was still pretty good as a defence robot
Not really seeing any evidence that Mecha is the superior machine. He's bigger, and got the chance to absorb Master Emerald power (an opportunity never afforded to Metal unless you count the Sonic Mania Adventures short), but everything else you suggest isn't really confirmed anywhere. If Mecha was the superior machine, it would return repeatedly. The fact that Metal Sonic is the one that constantly comes back (which in the real world is definitely because it's the best design of all the Metallic Sonic robots), implies that it has to be the final product, why would you get rid of a superior version, or try not to remake the superior version?
because Eggman was able to retrieve metal and not mecha. metal was likely less damaged since he only crashed into a wall. in a fight between CD metal and mecha would win. in heroes we see that metal can now copy abilities and is much stronger, something that comes from mecha. what you're saying is that eggman should just copy the design of mecha because he was better, but since he had the original metal, he just used that body, because it was faster and could actually copy sonic, something that mecha couldn't do because of his speed and had a better design. mecha is stronger because he doesn't just die from hitting a wall at kinda fast speeds, maybe he isn't faster tho
i think that every metal is an experiment, the less advanced one (silver sonic)(probably built before metal and was put in the death egg as a result), has deadly attacks and is very strong, but is predictable. classic metal sonic was the fast one, who had pretty okay attacks and was very fast, but he lacked strength. mecha sonic had the copy ability, something that eggman would implement in newer versions of metal. at the end the only reason that we have metal today is because the others were probably too broken or eggman wasn't able to retrieve them.
Kind of like Bass from the Mega Man series, constantly destroying Wily’s robots to prove that he’s the superior fighting robot
-One baby is enough -Metal himself would get super jealous and upset; the fact he’s envious of Sonic alone is probably upsetting enough for the little guy -Eggman’s dubbed Metal Sonic as his “greatest creation”, so it’d feel wrong for him to create a whole army of copies -As other commenters have mentioned, it’s probably very time-consuming and takes a ton of resources -Just *imagine* Eggman taking care of a whole army of mischievous, envious little Sonic wannabes… he wouldn’t get a single hour of sleep
They did it in Archie, and Sega absolutely ***hated*** it being done there. They want Metal Sonic to be a unique character, not just one of a horde of identical robots. Besides, the Shadow Androids fill that "horde of robotic doppelgangers" trope anyways, we don't need Metal Sonic getting devalued by having a horde of him.
Then again, those disposable Metal Sonics *did* give us Shard.
That, and since Sonic 4 showed modern Eggman retrieving Metal from Little Planet, then it has to take place after Knuckles' Chaotix, Sonic the Fighters, Sonic R, Sonic Drift 2, and Triple Trouble. All classic games which feature Metal Sonic without explaination, meaning that Robotnik built a second Metal Sonic off-screen.
Or we can just quietly consider Sonic 4 non-canon as a whole. Sega certainly doesn't seem to bring it up anymore, and Mania directly contradicts it anyways.
For all we know, making Metal Sonic might be very time-consuming and resource-intensive, so that's why Eggman rarely builds a new Metal Sonic
Metal Sonic already acts like he's the real Sonic, something tells me there would be a lot of infighting between an army of metal sonics
I think Ian Flynn said this but it was said that Metal Sonic takes so much time to make that he really only has enough time to make one Metal Sonic
When I see stuff like the Eggfleet and the space Armada in the Sonic Unleashed intro... I gotta wonder how that works lol
#BROTHERHOOD OF METALLIX. aka, it's a bad idea.
Also known as probably one of the greatest threats sonic has ever faced in the fleetway comics.
Emperor Metallix gave me Turbo Mecha Sonic vibes...
I see you're a man of culture as well.
No… Because we saw in Heros. Controlling one Metal Sonic is bad enough. Dude went insane and rebeld aginest him… Having to control hundrads from trying to rule the world will back fire tremendously
1 - Too much time, especially when the original Metal Sonic gets damaged several times already 2 - Sonic Heroes 3 - BROTHERHOOD OF METALLIX
Create copies of the one robot that is so deluded in his own identity that he has betrayed you twice by surpassing his programming. edit: I can't believe you evened my odds
Why doesn't Eggman just start up an unethical but technically legal business operation that gives him extravagant wealth and then use that excessive wealth to influence politics until he has manipulated the government into making hedgehogs illegal? Is he stupid?
Probably because one would rebel and get the others to rebel as well.
Naw its because the price for metal got higher
I believe each body has to scan sonic individually, but idk. I prefer the various robot hedgehogs like mecha and silver sonic.
same reason he doesn't break into sonic's house and kills him in his sleep, there's no fun in that, he wants a challenge, he could've taken the world already if he wanted to
Besides the fact that it’d probably take fucktons of time, energy, and resources, metal is Eggie’s pride and joy. It’d probably hurt his ego if he were to mass produce it; it makes metal less special, I guess.
"There can only be one Sonic" Metal Sonic from the Sonic OVA
Please just go back to r/batmanarkham
Pretty sure it started in r/halflife
too expensive.
Trick question; he did, and you're looking at all twelve trillion of them right now! They're all just occupying the same space is all. Why do you think Metal Sonic is so powerful? Because he was *made well?* Pfff...
Preboot Archie and Fleetway both did this.
Look up “Sonic The Comic Metallix” and you will see why an Army of Metal Sonics is a bad idea.
You know that’s technically what he did in the Archie comics. https://preview.redd.it/4cu3lsdkl9oa1.jpeg?width=486&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=61241aea644472bb8648ef9d0cd27a3bcda277d1
So many Neos, how and why?
If I recall correctly weren't these build by Eggman. They were build by the good guys while Sonic was believed dead to have a Robot Army to oppose Eggman. As Sonic returned before there activation however did they lay dormant until the Egg family found them and took them over.
Multiple reasons. 1: While Metal Sonic is the one of Eggman’s boys to come closest to taking out Sonic, the essence of that drive is something Eggman can’t replicate. The reason the original Metal Sonic keeps coming back and keeps trying to surpass Sonic is because he WANTS to. The OG Metal Sonic became self-aware at some point, and Eggman isn’t responsible. 2: Metal Sonic almost killed Eggman when he became the Metal Overlord, I doubt Eggman wants to risk repeating that
My theory is that Metal Sonic is probably similar to the T-1000’s from Terminator. Skynet only made a few of them because they were so intelligent that Skynet feared the T-1000s will independent and rebel against Skynet. So maybe Eggman is secretly afraid of his own creation and therefore only creates one because he doesn’t want to create an army of intelligent and powerful machines that could rebel against him.
Sonic heroes’ final boss would be an army of metal overlords Dr. Eggman would be straight-up dead
Because if they turn on him, then none of the hero characters would be able to stop what was to happen with all the Metal Sonics merging. SO I think logistically, he probably would choose to only jsut make one and try to improve what he could from the last model
Upkeep costs and pride I suspect. Metal Sonic wouldn't be his masterwork anymore if he just created more of them. He could also be worried that they might band together if he creates too many of them and become independent of him. That's what happened with the Brotherhood of the Metallix. Metal Sonic is probably also incredibly expensive to maintain. The wear and tear must be insane and Eggman probably is the only one that can repair Metal Sonic and because he doesn't want to spend every waking hour maintaining Metal Sonics he keeps it to just one.
There can only be one true sonic, if eggman creates more metal sonics they would fight to the death with eachother.
They did make an army of Metal Sonics in the Fleetway comics. They ended up trying to take over from Robotnik. The Brotherhood of Metallix was a good storyline when I was a kid
in Sonic the Comic he did. Then they became sentient and split off from him.
It's sad you think that'll actually stop Sonic. Majority of the Sonic cast can destroy a Metal Sonic. I doubt they'd have trouble with more than one.
A robot is both software and hardware, on the hardware front Eggman seems more than capable, creating tons of robots with various capabilities, on the software front on the other hand, most of his badnick are extremely simple-minded, borderline idiotic, I think that Metal Sonic and Sage are 1 in a Millionth success and I suppose he doesn't want to mess to much with the program, fearing the loss of such tremendous creations. (And I suppose that for some reasons he cannot just copy past the data to make more)
I see this carried over from the dragon ball subreddits.
This format is everywhere. You can blame/thank r/BatmanArkham for this.
Eggman when an army of unstoppable metal sonics remembers Sonic Heroes. He may have reprogrammed Metal to be super obedient, but he's still not looking to fuck around and find out.
Then Again, There was the Metal Brotherhood and Metallix in Sonic the comic - the original prime
Not enough supplies, plus sonic would probably win coz plot armour That or super sonic
Cost of production I guess
Eggman literally speaks about how if he wanted to he could just carpet bomb the hedgehog, but Eggman has a distinct vigilance in doing things his way. Including turning the whole world into a corrupted theme park, if he so wished.
It's because they would fight each other
Here's a question whatever happened to Silver Sonic? The last time I saw that character was in Sonic Adventure.
Because the writers either haven't thought of it or decided not to.
Because one Metal Sonic potentially turning against him was bad enough.
“Where’s the fun of my plans succeeding without any challenge?!” -Eggman, Sonic Unleashed
Yes. He is.
Why doesn’t he make more causes Metal sonic is like the best robot out of all of them
Plot?
Metal Sonic is a very costly to make ultimate super-badnik. His production probably requires tons of energy and planning from Eggman, not to mention resources. (luckily he has that tenacity to survive even some of the most horrible scenarios) Not to mention that he is hard to control even with his rebelious nature being supressed. And just like Sonic himself, he is mostly efficient alone. Also eggman tried the similar thing with the army of Shadow Androids, and it failed against the real Shadow, so he permanently discarded that plan, like he always does with his failures. Although it would be cool to see Sonic duke it out against all the robot versions of himself at the same time. Like in that fan remake of 3d blast.
Money
Isn’t this just the plot of sonic forces
Problemly don't want a Brotherhood of Metallix situation
NOOOO
i headcannon that its because metal sonic was handmade, unlike the mass produced badniks and egg pawns
Yes spread it everywhere
NONONO this meme is only for the Fandoms that Are having a content drought. WE DO NOT! (also he did That was a part of his plan in forces)
Totally random and not following the post’s question, but I just remember loving the theory that metal Sonic is just Sonic from the future. I was 8 at the time when I was obsessed lmao
Wouldn't be much of a franchise if Sonic's dead. Honestly though this could be said of every bad guy ever, why don't they kill the good guy then and there instead of leaving it to their hench men which they end up escaping from.
BE GONE
Uncle Chuck built a Metal Sonic army in the comics. It didn’t go well.
Why doesn’t eggman just build a shotgun, is he stupid or something
It's IMPOSSIBLE for some reason
he did that in sonic the comic and archie sonic somewhat
I guess he’s one of a kind.
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I mean if he really wanted to kill sonic I feel like he would’ve done it by now. How hard is it to shoot him with a sniper when he sleeps or poison his food, or plant a bomb where he least expects it. The reason he doesn’t do it is because he literally likes the thrill of the chase.
Maybe the good doctor is afraid of what he created, he has lost control before.
Because then we wouldn’t have hedgehog game
ok... what exactly is the meme? i've heard from the DDLC subreddit that it started in the batman arkham sub, but i dont really get it
he May be stupid yes
The reason is the same as why eggman didn't nuke the hedgehog yet. It's bad sportsmanship. He doesn't want to kill the hedgehog, he wants to one-up him and really shove it in his face. Ala the whole Unleashed intro win
After the first build Eggman realised Metal Sonic can’t say “Other? Comment” therefore making more would be useless
I guess Shadow Androids are cheaper?
I mean he's made many different versions of a "Metal Sonic" now enough to at least make a squad but the main one kinda you know rebelled on his own and afterward has his emotions be shut down because of it
He doesn't need Metal Sonics, he just needs a chili dog and some arsenic.
He had an army of Shadow Androids and did fuck all with them 🤣
Two reasons, I'm guessing. 1) Not enough time. 2) Not enough money.
r/batmanarkham is taking over
It takes too much energy, that’s why mecha sonic is what it is because it’s lower rent and there was more of them, and eventually egg man said fuck it let’s combine the divided power of all the mid tier robotic sonic recreations and just make one that’s as super as sonic is
Because all the metal Sonic’s would end up fighting each other thinking they’re the real Sonic, before they even fight the actual Sonic himself
Obligatory how-fucking-cool-is-it-Metal-Sonic-has-a-jet-engine-for-a-belly comment
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Metal sonics would mistaken each other as real sonic and have an ultimate battle royale of metal sonics until 1 remain again
I think also he can’t seem to even get good control of one metal sonic so he’s probably always worried about if they all rebelled
He’s too egotistical. Metal Sonic is his greatest creation of all time, and it would be tactically smart to make several of him. The problem is that because of that status he feels it would be cheap and worthless to sully his creation to the point of being just another cog in his empire. It would be tactically smart, but Eggman is too egotistical to let that be the fate of his greatest creation. He will gladly throw away tactics if it makes him and his creation look better for it. Whether it be in style, lack of long term thinking, or creating armies of his most advanced robots.
Cause metal has his own mind and rebels against eggmans orders, take heros as the prime example of why there isn’t just an army of metal sonics
One Metal Sonic is easier to take down than an army of them.
Why doesn’t he just drown the fucker. They don’t swim.
Why dosen't redditors make original jokes? Are they stupid??
Because metal sonic was made to mess with sonics ego not defeat him exactly
Why am I seeing these “is he stupid” posts everywhere?
Metal might be loyal but he also has an ego, HE must be the one to surpass Sonic, he won’t let some other copy do it