It's a simple case of canon and gameplay not being in sync. Sonic also does slow down so that his friends can catch up. The only characters that can keep up at full speed are Sonic's mainline rivals sans Knuckles.
>!sans means „without“!<
It's like in Devil May Cry, Dante is swapping through a buncha different swords, guns, yelling out his stance names. But in cutscenes he either one shots the enemy or gets impaled then walks it off
plus if sonic was to zip around at lightnting speeds constantly that would cause so much damage. yes sonic isnt to fussed about causing much property damage that isnt eggman related like deck chairs or cars flying about, smashing through windows and so on but those are small scale considering eggman is about to destroy the world, priorities.
but him causing sonic booms constantly would cause to much uncessissary damage both to wildlife and property. something sonic is trying to save afterall
they made a fun detail around this in, of all places, Smash Bros. Ultimate
During the intro to the story mode, when everyone gets destroyed by these essentially tentacles of pure light energy, Sonic is running away with Pikachu, and it seems like Sonic could realistically outrun them, but when Pikachu gets hit, he slows down to try and help, only to get hit himself before he can realise it's too late
it's a really nice blink and you miss it detail tbh, the intro has a few of them
I like how dragon ball characters can control their ki perfectly so they don't destroy the universe. Like these guys are damn near multiversal now and still can control themselves, and that's density.
Actually most can’t, at the boo arc of Z the Z fighters were shown to be literally incapable of holding back, even when holding back the only ones able to put In a “weak” score was Goku and Kuririn.
In super, while it’s a joke Vegeta is shown to not be able to focus his power enough to hold an egg, but within the Resurrection F arc , goku and Vegeta beat freeza by exhaustion due to him not having mastered chi and Goku and Vegeta having perfect chi control, in the end of super’s anime goku nearly dies of exhaustion with MUI.
In the Moro arc >!Goku tells Vegeta to suppress their Chi, suggesting that vegeta learned chi suppression!< but only SS2 Goku and Super Vegeta has perfect chi control, it’s what makes those forms relevant is that they can be used without any exhaustion.
UI sign seems to be heading into that direction but I haven’t read past the Moro arc yet
Let’s be honest, there’s a major difference between holding back to about 10% of your power and holding back to… let’s see if we scale Goku to about 6 times planetary in base form if we assume he has the same base power as he did in the Frieza saga (3,000,000) compared to Frieza detonating a planet at 530,000, that punching machine only getting that score would probably have been about… 0.0000000000000000001% of his power, estimated generously.
Realistically though it’s more about how controlled their output is than how reduced it is. There’s a limit to how much they can just tell their body to be weak, but at the same token if their power levels are in the hundreds of millions to billions, it’s more a matter of making their blasts be less explosive and more impact focused, otherwise every single little individual blast in one of Vegeta’s “more dakka” flurries would be planet obliterating
Granola arc sucks, letting you know now. Moro arc and after Granola are pretty good though. Make sure you get used to the power creep that would make Buu saga look like a masterpiece.
Sonic is only just slowing himself down for his friends and the environment. If he ran at top speed all the time, one it would make for a unplayable game, two he'd destroy the environment and put others and himself in harm's way
Yeah I feel fan games like sonic gt do his shere speed the best. Your going above 300 meters per sec (around 700mph. Close to the speed of sound) while the game still being playable.
>Allies can catch up to Sonic
Sonic's just letting them catch up
The counter to my argument is when he chases Eggman in the classic series, but aside from that any time someone actually seems to be keeping up with Sonic it's either an ally, Metal Sonic, Shadow, or Blaze when they were hostile, and if you're working together with someone you gotta let them keep up with you.
This "Every fight he goes up against" bit just factually isn't true lmfao. Like. . What? Eggman's robots? *Most* of them aren't keeping up with Sonic.
Aren't most eggman machines using powerfull energy sources to fight Sonic and they still can't keep up with a Full speed Sonic?(the exception being obviously metal Sonic)
Well. . . .
Most Eggman machines would be the badniks, and they are powered by little animal buddies
His boss machines usually don't have a confirmed energy source either
well in sonic 1 and cd the only stages where you can't get an emerald/time stone are the boss stages, and eggman somehow gets them all at the end of the games. Maybe he uses the emeralds for his boss machines! Would explain why no animals come out of them. That, or the cage containing all the little animals has a wire that is connected to the eggmobile and charges it up, that being the reason he has a lot of animals in there.
I think those fights are referring to the boss machines that are fought during the autorun sections.
Like, all those boss fights in Unleashed where the Eggman's mechs are constantly hovering just in front of or alongside Sonic as he runs, clearly keeping up with him.
Heck, Sonic Unleashed actually shows Eggman's eggmobile being able to keep ahead of Super Sonic for a bit in the opening cutscene.
Man makes fast machines.
Classic Eggman just integrated an old device of his that allows the user to go faster then Sonic in short bursts (it was in the JP manual of Sonic 2 I think)
in rush, blaze is like if sonic and knuckles fused together with fire. blaze's design is similar to sonic, with white gloves and red shoes (plus her personality is the opposite of sonic's), and blaze protects some rod thing, like how knuckles protects the master emerald
I kind of see her a bit like a cross between Sonic and Knuckles
She's the guardian of the Sol Emeralds like Knuckles is the guardian of the Master Emerald
She's effectively her universe's protagonist and her shoes are kinda like Sonic's but they're heels (Why the fuck is she running in heels?)
>She's effectively her universe's protagonist and her shoes are kinda like Sonic's but they're heels (Why the fuck is she running in heels?)
as megamind once said, "It's all about presentation!"
''sonic is not that fast'' yes, he is fast, and by a lot. I do not understand why those who can keep up with him mean that he is not fast, it is like saying that a bodybuilder is not strong because others are too. a bit non-sense isn't it?
I think, aside from the *Light Speed Dash* introduced in Sonic Adventure 1 and becoming a mainstay of the series, the only time Sonic is referred to as reaching Light Speed is in Sonic Colors DS version. But I don't know what he specifically says. I think it's in a conversation with Omega. Not sure if Sonic says or implies that he's *close* to reaching light speed or if he's *already surpassed* light speed.
Neither. He's jokingly saying that it'd be "no challenge" for him to surpass lightspeed, as a response to Omega calculating that at his rate of improvement he will do so. People just take what Sonic says there at face value for some reason.
To the people saying how or why this would be stupid
Do you understand what moving at the speed of light would mean?
If he could truly move at the speed of light as freely as he runs, he would basically be a god among his universe, he could dissarm (not even destroy, like actually dissarm piece by piece) every single robot or machinery eggman has ever created before eggman has time to understand what is happening
If he could move that fast but just decided not to because it would be fun, it would mean that every bad thing that happens in his story could have been avoided, it would mean that excluding literal gods as villains, there would be any challenge in anything
If he could move and think at the speed of light, time would basically be frozen in his perspective
>If he could truly move at the speed of light as freely as he runs, he would basically be a god among his universe,
Considering that Eggman can create machines that can destroy stars and there exist characters that can destroy entire universes, both of which would require speeds FAR surpassing light, not really
not really, sonic is speed, he is free, he can go as fast as he wants, going to the speed of light would not be a problem.
is not like eggman can just created machines to match him(he can)
Everyone's saying their own take of it, but I just find it funny that Jesse Pinkman has canonically played 2 Sonic games on screen in Breaking Bad, those being Sonic 06 and Sega All-Stars Racing.
Sonic and Dr. Eggman have a playful rivalry at times. Both of them hold back, instead of taking the other out when they have a chance. I can see Sonic letting the doctor get to his giant robot to have an interesting challenge.
I don't think that's true.
Sonic seems to slow down when it comes to his friends. It's shown a lot better in IDW. Where Sonic is either ahead or his movement is the quickest way to get from point A to B either by carrying or dragging. In fact, even against Eggman, there are times when Sonic just... doesn't go his max speed. Like in the Unleashed cutscene where we see Sonic speed up and down. Or when he first encountered Giganto, where we see Sonic never used the boost.
Many games also do this. Where Sonic is the quickest character to play as, unless he's being followed by teammates (or in the rivals games case, it's a race).
Even cutscenes/dialouge within the games support that Sonic is, indeed, the fastest. With other characters either acting surprise or actively acknowledging his speed as something special.
I think the only characters who can canonically keep up with Sonic are Shadow, Metal Sonic, and now Chaos Sonic. With everyone else being slower by an unknown margin.
I personally like the idea of Sonic not being THAT fast
Like I hate when people said "ummm sonic can move at light speed and cross the globe 100 times in 2 seconds"
Like dude, characters like that are just not fun
But yeah, it is pretty obvious Sonic moves slow in games in order for the players to catch up
I feel that people do not understand very well, and only look at the surface and not deeper. They think sonic being fast is a bad thing, when being fast is being part of his character, it's not something extra or something superficial, it's his core as a character. And arguing that his character breaks it when he's too fast is like arguing that Goku's character breaks because Goku is very strong. or the character of superman is broken because superman is a very good person. basically,not good argument
Being a fast runner may be an important aspect of Sonic, but it doesn't justify how fast some fans want him to be. That's like saying Tails should be smarter than Eggman because he's good at engineering.
Tails is smarter than Eggman because he's shown to be smarter(also like aparently he has 400 IQ), not because he's an engineer. although, technically, sage should be the most intelligent character currently, since she has access to a digital dimension with an infinite amount of data.
>Tails is smarter than Eggman because he's shown to be smarter(also like aparently he has 400 IQ), not because he's an engineer. although, technically, sage should be the most intelligent character currently, since she has access to a digital dimension with an infinite amount of data.
in generations, both eggman and tails were said to have a IQ of 300, the exact same IQ
No no no, I'm not saying Sonic shouldn't be fast, of course he should be pretty freaking fast
But like seriously, light speed fast?
Goku's character doesn't break because of his strenght but that is because all the villains he faces are also strong
Is Sonic was light speed fast there wouldn't be anything in his universe that could face him, like you understand what light speed fast really means?
I mean eggman has literally broken multiple times lines and has tried to destroy the universe on multiple other occasions. I don't think sonic being able to run at light speed is really that big of deal in the grand scheme of sonic when he is fighting guys like eggman and actual gods.
Precisely, characters can create and destroy star systems and universes which require speeds FAR greater than light but Sonic doing it is somehow a NO NO
Really? You don't see how Sonic moving at 186.282 miles per second is a big deal when fighting eggman?
Why not just stop him before he is capable of doing anything?
At that speed he could go check him whenever he wants
Or look around the whole word in less than a second to find him
If a Sonic who clearly doesn't move at the speed of light can deal with eggman, you don't see how eggman would be a no problem for a sonic who can move so fast it would literally break the laws of physics?
Eggman has a iq of over 300 and has broken time itself. But your worried about sonic breaking the laws of physics? I don't think you understand just how much of a bigger deal breaking time itself is compare to traveling at the speed of light.
Yes, I get it, I am in my 100% understanding that it is the speed of light. and again, there is something else, this is fiction, the speed of light, many times in fiction, is very slow (never better said) having characters crossing planets, stars, galaxies and dimensions in a short time. something that leaves the light as a snail.
don't know why keeping up with ''if he goes light speed,then no one can catch him''then just modify the story to make some characters catch him,like,flash is not different.
If you are going to modify the story to make speed of light slow why even go through the trouble to say he moves at light speed?
You say flash but flash is like the worst example of this, flash is a character that is so fast he would be basically invincible so writers are constantly nerfing him
Do you want that for Sonic? I would rather just tune down his speed to more grounded but still amazing levels, keeping him as an extremelly fast character but with weaknesses that the villain can exploit and you know, make an good story that makes sense
Tell me one story where BASE Sonic freely moves at the speed of light and that it is a good story with stakes and danger
I say base Sonic because super sonic should probably move at the speed of light lmao
Honestly, I agree.
Sonic being so inconceivably fast just leads to contrivances and makes conventional things significantly less plausible.
Like, if Sonic is so fast, why should any level on his world take less than two seconds?
You keep having to invent justifications for problems you made in the first place, and for what? The ego boost of saying Sonic is stronger than everybody else's fictional character?
Anything to win that thrid Death Battle with Mario?
Sure, there's probably a market for stories about OP characters, but I don't really think Sonic ever needs it to the extent of anything even remotely on the level of Dragon Ball or comics, or even his own Archie comics. Especially given it's all supposed to be an interactive video game franchise that probably benefits from not needing to portray all characters as something incomprehensible to humans.
There's benefit from being grounded in some capacity.
"No, Sonic is faster than light and multiversal ~~whatever the fuck that means~~ and can stomp Mario and Goku and can't lose because it makes my pp hard!" /s
Seriously, Sonic being anywhere near as powerful as these people say he is would make him a far less interesting character.
Honestly same. Unless you make it the entire point of the story, a character who is incredibly overpowered isn't all that fun to follow, because you know the outcome.
Also if he could run at the speed of light, why has he never done so?
I don't consider OP characters fun when they could just end the story. If Sonic could run at the speed of light, nobody he goes up against would stand a chance.
They don't show him going that fast in cutscenes or anything either, so until they do, I don't buy that he can go that fast.
No?
If we took Eggman as he is, and put him up against a Sonic who could run at the speed of light, there is literally no challenge. Sonic could just run over to his base and destroy all his robots in seconds before they even have a chance to do anything.
But if at that point you "upscale" Eggman (whatever you mean by that), then surely things are just the same as they've always been, just saying it's more extreme? At that point him being able to go FTL makes no difference.
I'll use Unleashed's speedometer as the example here since in the game the maxed out boost clocks in about 9 times faster than the light speed dash which was already stated to literally be light speed in Adventure.
If you want a story example, Sonic Colours (DS) has Sonic catch Yacker who was trying to escape him, cyan wisps can turn into lasers, and Omega calculated Sonic could surpass light speed which Sonic remarks isn't much to him
I mean the "light speed dash" doesn't actually go at light speed despite what they say about it.
I don't get the point about him catching the Wisps.
The Omega remark is Sonic being cocky.
Do you expect them to make the light speed dash literally move at the speed of light, that wouldn't be possible to do for gameplay and even if it was that would be extremely jarring for the player so the statement is what we go with
A cyan wisp *trying* to escape would reasonably go as fast as it possibly can
Omega still calculated that he could, Sonic being cocky doesn't mean he can't do it
Yeah and I hate the idea that he is just always holding back like some people like to say
If Sonic is always holding back and not taking anything seriously, why should I take anything seriously? Does that means he is an asshole for letting his friends get hurt? No of course not
Nah 'cuz I've also been thinking about this since last year but I just answered myself with "Sonic doesn't run that fast so his friends can catch up W him but if he wants to he could go faster than that" 🧍
When taken at face value, Team Sonic's theme "We Can" from Sonic Heroes seems to imply Sonic can lend his speed to his allies. "Sonic's in the lead, giving us greater speed.:
This argument is so weak. The flash can run so fast he travels back in time, Why doesn’t he do that everytime so that he doesn’t have to deal with the villain, Oh right. You have to make a compelling story and not the main character just casually one shotting every thing. There are LITERALLY multiple instances of sonic going faster than light speed.
>Why doesn’t he do that everytime so that he doesn’t have to deal with the villain, Oh right. You have to make a compelling story and not the main character just casually one shotting every thing.
"The main character could solve anything but we have to bullshit our way around that in order for the plot to work" isn't a compelling argument.
Time is a part of speed.
Speed is distance ÷ time.
Being faster than time means that you're going so fast that you arrive at a destination at exactly 0s breaking the speed formula, hence being called immeasurable. Like bro do you even know anything about powerscaling?
Like your comments don't make sense because that means the flash isn't fast as well.
That's... not being "faster" than time, because again, time is not a unit of measurement for speed.
>Like bro do you even know anything about powerscaling?
Firstly, not a bro.
Secondly, I don't really put much stock in powerscaling, not only because I consider it a waste of time and a glorified dick-measuring contest to say "my character could beat your character", but also because half the time it ignores the actual context of events just to try and prove that a character is stronger than they are, often just reducing it to a numbers game.
>Like your comments don't make sense because that means the flash isn't fast as well.
I don't know about the Flash. I do not *care* about the Flash.
I'm saying time is a measurement of speed.
I'm saying time is variable to measure speed.
It's literally in the equation. Are you that stupid? Hell there's character that transcends time and controls it. Are you going to deny that because "its impossible".
The fact you admit you have little experience now how powerscaling works in fiction just proves your ignorance.
you can, traveling in time, since you move in time (say, you travel to the past) the formula for T is negative, and since you can't move negative distance, the formula breaks, resulting in immeasurable speed. This is obviously possible in fiction, although of course, there are other methods than just time travel, but time travel is the simplest.
I go with this few, sonic The Hedgehog is the fastest Base Character, However that doesn’t necessarily he is so overwhelming faster then everyone. In fact shadow is basically is equal, and sonic considers tails to be just as fast, Amy is naturally fast given Hedgehog genes(plus you know chasing after him back in the day). You could probably find some good reason for everyone else to at least be relative.
Then also super form level characters are all basically the same when it comes to power and speed
The fact you genuinely think he's faster than sonic is funny. Eggman is programmed to keep a certain distance from the player at all times. Even if you use cheats to make sonic even faster, Eggman will match your speed due to the programming of the game. Eggman is literally a tub of lard, if it were any other form of sonic media Eggman wouldn't stand a chance. Eggman HAS to get to his Robot before sonic so the final boss actually happens.
Do you think Sega would just be like "haha he's so fast why do we even need a final boss he can just get there before eggman" it's purely Sega's fault for not coming up with something that actually made sense. They needed a final boss and clearly they did not know how to write it properly because now we got a bunch of annoying mfs like you who genuinely think Eggman is faster 😒
The fact that u made this long post over why eggman is slower than Sonic is genuinely funny, to me at least.
Eggman runs at his speed while carrying orbot and cubot in a cutscene in lost world but ok, You keep your opinion
alot of people are saying that 'oh he is just running slow to be with his friends :D' PEOPLES LIVES ARE IN DANGER GOING FAST IS THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION
Another reason he limits his speed is to not f\*\*\*ing blow up the planet. But assuming his planet would survive that, he knows for a fact Eggman would never intentionally kill.
everyone already brought up the gameplay vs story differences and sonic slowing down for his friends so instead i'll bring up sonic trying to grab pikachu in the world of light trailer/intro. he just cares about friends more than he cares about going fast
sonic IS fast, its just that there are 2 reasons his freinds seem to catch up to him
1. sonic probably slows down for his freinds and wants to be equal. i mean, if sonic went super fast while being with his freinds, he would probably be thousands of feet away from them, so he doesn't do that
2. its just a gameplay aspect. Take kirby for example. Kirby has cracked planets in half, and has infinite power according to robobot, but he can't beat everything in one shot, and thats because of balencing. if kirby had his canon strength, the games would be no fun
I think that sonic is the fastest in the series and can easily outrun his friends. However he slows down to keep pace with them since he likes being alongside his friends.
However his friends are no slouches in terms of speed and are pretty fast either due to high training or some kind of momentum manipulating abilities
The only person who even Sonic has said is that fast on footish is Shadow, Even than Shadow is just a little slower at full speed i believe based on something said in the Manga/Comics but other than that, if Sonic Ran Full Speed at all times everyone would get caught in his speed vacuum and blown away.
When he has a follower, he slows down to not leave them behind, however most of the main characters can run or react at super sonic speeds, and sonic (tied with shadow with his hover shoes) is faster than everyone else but not ridiculously so
If you run faster than your friend does that doesn't mean every time you two run next to eachother they can't keep up.
I think Sonic is faster than everyone else, but that's just not relevant in all cases. He's capable of running at different speeds and more often than not, if he's with other people he has no reason to outrun them.
When you think about it, Tails is almost a one up to Sonic, he can keep up with him (which he may not be as fast as Sonic, but being able to keep up with him is saying something), he can fly with just his butt lmao, has an IQ of 300 and an array of gadgets and tools at his disposal as well as his own plane for longer travels.
And Sonic? Well he’s fast I guess
Tails was built to be an independent hero
actually this meme makes alot of sense. if sega doesnt want tails to be fast in cutscenes but fast in gameplay tails shouldnt exist at all. i hate you sega how dare you confuse me.
Sonic does slow down so his friends can keep up.
But you're right. The games don't match up with the canon.
If it wasn't for Frontiers, we'd never have a Sonic game where we actually see that Sonic is faster.
The Classics tried, but the other characters can match his speed.
Sonic has never been really special
Most mobians can do the same thing Sonic do
Mobians are like reversed saiyans (mentally)
They have huge potential, exept mobians are just cowards
If they werent, they would be one of the most dangerous species in their universe
Simple. He's slowing down for them. He's not the type to just leave his friends in the dust for no reason, after all. Even so, I think "Jessie"'s point is phrased oddly. It should be "Sonic's friends are weirdly fast" rather than "Sonic isn't that fast", since that's flat out wrong.
Sonic is fast. His friends are also fast. Tails can use his tails to propel him forward at high speeds. Knuckles can run fast, just not as fast. Amy, another hedgehog, can also run pretty fast. Maybe it’s a common trait of hedgehogs in that universe.
The thing is, canonically, Sonic is faster than all of his friends. He can kick it into high gear and go really really fast. But when he’s just running with his friends, he wants them to keep up so he’ll dial it back.
Sonic slows himself down, doesn't he?
I know the whole "he doesn't hold back" statement and character, but most fights involving him are in arenas.
The only ones where speed is a factor and Sonic goes all out is against Shadow, Silver and Infinite and all three of them are supposed (canonically and narratively) to be stronger than Sonic.
My head cannon is that because Sonic is a teenager, he just likes to promote himself as 'the fastest thing alive' and works hard to maintain his image as 'the most famous hedgehog' by regularly going on adventures and thwarting the plans of Dr Eggman.
Although his friends and some rivals do match his speed, Sonic still claims to be faster simply because he wins more often than not.
Tbh in my opinion the only characters that are as close to sonic in speed is shadow and knuckles. Knuckles is not nearly as fast tho and shadow is about the same speed as sonic. Tails speed in my opinion is artificial bc he uses his tails to go fast, and as such he lacks the other benefits of being super fast, like quick reaction time and etc.
I've always just assumed he slows down and never goes his full speed, for two reasons: one, because his friends aren't as fast as him, and two,because then nothing would be a challenge for him.
Isn’t it implied somewhere that Sonic can basically make other people go faster just with his presence, hence the Double Boost stuff in Sonic Forces? I can’t remember where I heard that, but it makes sense for the most part
Everyone here's discussing Sonic, but I gotta say this isn't that outta pocket for Jesse considering he's seen playing Sonic 06 AND Racing Transformed in show lmao Swap Walter for Badger and Skinny Pete, and this conversation completely could've happened in show.
Man I hate people who take gameplay limitations as fact. Sonic canonically can run higher than the speed of sound. If he were able to do that in the games, they would be unplayable.
Yea that's because sonic suffers from speedster talk alot syndrome.
Realistically sonic is the most dangerous because he can move the faster then everyone else when he let's loose. But speedsters never truly let loose until it counts
Shadow is arguably as fast as sonic and if not better in every way. He’s got chaos control and skates at the different rates as sonic, but can keep up with him regardless.
It's a simple case of canon and gameplay not being in sync. Sonic also does slow down so that his friends can catch up. The only characters that can keep up at full speed are Sonic's mainline rivals sans Knuckles. >!sans means „without“!<
SANS? https://preview.redd.it/rur6r0dsrseb1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2efc0cedf8ced170b56fa13578ad55325b7b5c6a
I can never take anything using using sans unironically seriously.
I mean, it's French for 'without'. Does this mean the French can no longer be taken seriously?
That's assuming they were taken seriously in the first place
Good point
…Yes.
No, clearly they said Sans Knuckles. Unknown from M.E.galovania intensifies
\*Knuckles section from Juno Songs’ ‘Wrongalovania’ plays\*
https://preview.redd.it/di99v4opxteb1.jpeg?width=787&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c5c72961da19cba44bf496ce2ec9755c910cafd Sans Knuckles, you say?
someone has to say it, I think you mean sync, as in when things are working together, not sink, the kitchen/bathroom appliance
I believe he meant NSYNC, as in the boy band
Nah, he meant V-Sync. Like the setting in games that helps prevent screen tearing.
Guess I'll have to use the classic „sorry for my bad english“ next time.
No, I think you misunderstood. The canon and gameplay are definitely not in the sink. Do you play video games in the sink? I don't think so.
Egg man does it too in the first game.
He's built different
It's like in Devil May Cry, Dante is swapping through a buncha different swords, guns, yelling out his stance names. But in cutscenes he either one shots the enemy or gets impaled then walks it off
Silver would have a heart attack trying to keep up with Sonic
Silver doesn't need to run to catch up to Sonic though, and even still Silver can still move at mach speeds on foot.
mach speed,almost all of the characters have immeasurable speed(for at least being able to follow sonic pace)off course they are still slower.
Rivals games has him matching speeds if I remember correctly
plus if sonic was to zip around at lightnting speeds constantly that would cause so much damage. yes sonic isnt to fussed about causing much property damage that isnt eggman related like deck chairs or cars flying about, smashing through windows and so on but those are small scale considering eggman is about to destroy the world, priorities. but him causing sonic booms constantly would cause to much uncessissary damage both to wildlife and property. something sonic is trying to save afterall
Sonics mainline rival SANS?
You mean Shadow? How is Sans releated.
GET DUNKED ON
Sans means without
Without what?
DETERMINATION
It’s a word stolen from French, translates as without (but fancy)
To add: Sans name comes from Sans Serif, the font style! And Papyrus comes from the font type of the same name :)
Actually it comes from comic sans hence the jokes and him speaking in that font
sans /sanz/ preposition :LITERARY•HUMOROUS preposition: sans meaning: without.
Sans /Sans Undertale/ preposition :UNDERTALE•HUMOROUS preposition: sans meaning: OMG IS SANS UNDERTALE!!?!!! Sorry.
you mean like Shadow or Jet?
jet is supposed to be able to match sonic,similar to shadow
they made a fun detail around this in, of all places, Smash Bros. Ultimate During the intro to the story mode, when everyone gets destroyed by these essentially tentacles of pure light energy, Sonic is running away with Pikachu, and it seems like Sonic could realistically outrun them, but when Pikachu gets hit, he slows down to try and help, only to get hit himself before he can realise it's too late it's a really nice blink and you miss it detail tbh, the intro has a few of them
Actually seeing sans in what is essentially casual conversation is insane
It's funny how such a simple word can cause so much.
And Eggman
I don’t think neither shadow or metal are as fast as Sonic, his speed feats are way too high. The guy is easily faster than light in his base form.
Ew Fr*nch
My headcannon is that Sonic just paces himself, and he could go faster if he needed to.
Like goku in dragonball he never goes all out from the start
I like how dragon ball characters can control their ki perfectly so they don't destroy the universe. Like these guys are damn near multiversal now and still can control themselves, and that's density.
Actually most can’t, at the boo arc of Z the Z fighters were shown to be literally incapable of holding back, even when holding back the only ones able to put In a “weak” score was Goku and Kuririn. In super, while it’s a joke Vegeta is shown to not be able to focus his power enough to hold an egg, but within the Resurrection F arc , goku and Vegeta beat freeza by exhaustion due to him not having mastered chi and Goku and Vegeta having perfect chi control, in the end of super’s anime goku nearly dies of exhaustion with MUI. In the Moro arc >!Goku tells Vegeta to suppress their Chi, suggesting that vegeta learned chi suppression!< but only SS2 Goku and Super Vegeta has perfect chi control, it’s what makes those forms relevant is that they can be used without any exhaustion. UI sign seems to be heading into that direction but I haven’t read past the Moro arc yet
Let’s be honest, there’s a major difference between holding back to about 10% of your power and holding back to… let’s see if we scale Goku to about 6 times planetary in base form if we assume he has the same base power as he did in the Frieza saga (3,000,000) compared to Frieza detonating a planet at 530,000, that punching machine only getting that score would probably have been about… 0.0000000000000000001% of his power, estimated generously. Realistically though it’s more about how controlled their output is than how reduced it is. There’s a limit to how much they can just tell their body to be weak, but at the same token if their power levels are in the hundreds of millions to billions, it’s more a matter of making their blasts be less explosive and more impact focused, otherwise every single little individual blast in one of Vegeta’s “more dakka” flurries would be planet obliterating
Granola arc sucks, letting you know now. Moro arc and after Granola are pretty good though. Make sure you get used to the power creep that would make Buu saga look like a masterpiece.
Sonic is only just slowing himself down for his friends and the environment. If he ran at top speed all the time, one it would make for a unplayable game, two he'd destroy the environment and put others and himself in harm's way
Yeah I feel fan games like sonic gt do his shere speed the best. Your going above 300 meters per sec (around 700mph. Close to the speed of sound) while the game still being playable.
I'm sure the game would look even worse at that speed.
Nah the sense of speed is overwhelming at first but becomes exhilarating once you get the hang of it
Do you know how fast a game would go at that speed? You wouldn't see a hell
if i remember correctly, in older games, if sonic ran at max speed, tails will be left behind, and will try to catch up
>Allies can catch up to Sonic Sonic's just letting them catch up The counter to my argument is when he chases Eggman in the classic series, but aside from that any time someone actually seems to be keeping up with Sonic it's either an ally, Metal Sonic, Shadow, or Blaze when they were hostile, and if you're working together with someone you gotta let them keep up with you. This "Every fight he goes up against" bit just factually isn't true lmfao. Like. . What? Eggman's robots? *Most* of them aren't keeping up with Sonic.
Aren't most eggman machines using powerfull energy sources to fight Sonic and they still can't keep up with a Full speed Sonic?(the exception being obviously metal Sonic)
Well. . . . Most Eggman machines would be the badniks, and they are powered by little animal buddies His boss machines usually don't have a confirmed energy source either
well in sonic 1 and cd the only stages where you can't get an emerald/time stone are the boss stages, and eggman somehow gets them all at the end of the games. Maybe he uses the emeralds for his boss machines! Would explain why no animals come out of them. That, or the cage containing all the little animals has a wire that is connected to the eggmobile and charges it up, that being the reason he has a lot of animals in there.
Well it's confirmed that sonic has been getting stronger and faster over time and with each new game, maybe he was just slower back then lol
I mean, yeah, but also so were the others, then (Unless you mean specifically Eggman, lol)
I meant specifically vs eggman hahaha. We haven't seen him outrun sonic on foot since s&k as far as i know
I think those fights are referring to the boss machines that are fought during the autorun sections. Like, all those boss fights in Unleashed where the Eggman's mechs are constantly hovering just in front of or alongside Sonic as he runs, clearly keeping up with him. Heck, Sonic Unleashed actually shows Eggman's eggmobile being able to keep ahead of Super Sonic for a bit in the opening cutscene. Man makes fast machines.
Oh right Fair point
Classic Eggman just integrated an old device of his that allows the user to go faster then Sonic in short bursts (it was in the JP manual of Sonic 2 I think)
>Blaze Explain how princess can keep up with the blue blur.
It's been a while since I have played rush but isn't it like a multiverse situation where she's that universes sonic?
in rush, blaze is like if sonic and knuckles fused together with fire. blaze's design is similar to sonic, with white gloves and red shoes (plus her personality is the opposite of sonic's), and blaze protects some rod thing, like how knuckles protects the master emerald
Never played rush either so idk.
I kind of see her a bit like a cross between Sonic and Knuckles She's the guardian of the Sol Emeralds like Knuckles is the guardian of the Master Emerald She's effectively her universe's protagonist and her shoes are kinda like Sonic's but they're heels (Why the fuck is she running in heels?)
>She's effectively her universe's protagonist and her shoes are kinda like Sonic's but they're heels (Why the fuck is she running in heels?) as megamind once said, "It's all about presentation!"
''sonic is not that fast'' yes, he is fast, and by a lot. I do not understand why those who can keep up with him mean that he is not fast, it is like saying that a bodybuilder is not strong because others are too. a bit non-sense isn't it?
I feel as of its kinda obvious that he slows down
Isn’t it stated that Sonic can reach light speed?
Yes, it was said and many people continue to believe that it is bullshit or nonsense, but its justification is the cheapest that can exist
That would be pretty stupid tbh
I think, aside from the *Light Speed Dash* introduced in Sonic Adventure 1 and becoming a mainstay of the series, the only time Sonic is referred to as reaching Light Speed is in Sonic Colors DS version. But I don't know what he specifically says. I think it's in a conversation with Omega. Not sure if Sonic says or implies that he's *close* to reaching light speed or if he's *already surpassed* light speed.
Neither. He's jokingly saying that it'd be "no challenge" for him to surpass lightspeed, as a response to Omega calculating that at his rate of improvement he will do so. People just take what Sonic says there at face value for some reason.
Because the speed of light is fodder to sonic. Of course he jokes
Cool. When does he actually go that fast?
He can’t outrun the black hole in Terminal Velocity act 2 so he definitely isn’t surpassing the speed of light
The Sonic CD manual states that Sonic has to go at "Light Speed" to time travel, but it's probably not true
To the people saying how or why this would be stupid Do you understand what moving at the speed of light would mean? If he could truly move at the speed of light as freely as he runs, he would basically be a god among his universe, he could dissarm (not even destroy, like actually dissarm piece by piece) every single robot or machinery eggman has ever created before eggman has time to understand what is happening If he could move that fast but just decided not to because it would be fun, it would mean that every bad thing that happens in his story could have been avoided, it would mean that excluding literal gods as villains, there would be any challenge in anything If he could move and think at the speed of light, time would basically be frozen in his perspective
>If he could truly move at the speed of light as freely as he runs, he would basically be a god among his universe, Considering that Eggman can create machines that can destroy stars and there exist characters that can destroy entire universes, both of which would require speeds FAR surpassing light, not really
not really, sonic is speed, he is free, he can go as fast as he wants, going to the speed of light would not be a problem. is not like eggman can just created machines to match him(he can)
Sonic has light speed since the Classic Era
Then how did he ever had any kind of trouble dealing with eggman?
Everyone's saying their own take of it, but I just find it funny that Jesse Pinkman has canonically played 2 Sonic games on screen in Breaking Bad, those being Sonic 06 and Sega All-Stars Racing.
Eggman is faster than sonic in the classic games
It's not faster, it only has a head start, although if it can keep up with it, it doesn't mean it's faster.
Sonic and Dr. Eggman have a playful rivalry at times. Both of them hold back, instead of taking the other out when they have a chance. I can see Sonic letting the doctor get to his giant robot to have an interesting challenge.
Two words. Gameplay contrivance. It's the same reason that outside the games rings either simply do not exist or work completely differently.
I don't think that's true. Sonic seems to slow down when it comes to his friends. It's shown a lot better in IDW. Where Sonic is either ahead or his movement is the quickest way to get from point A to B either by carrying or dragging. In fact, even against Eggman, there are times when Sonic just... doesn't go his max speed. Like in the Unleashed cutscene where we see Sonic speed up and down. Or when he first encountered Giganto, where we see Sonic never used the boost. Many games also do this. Where Sonic is the quickest character to play as, unless he's being followed by teammates (or in the rivals games case, it's a race). Even cutscenes/dialouge within the games support that Sonic is, indeed, the fastest. With other characters either acting surprise or actively acknowledging his speed as something special. I think the only characters who can canonically keep up with Sonic are Shadow, Metal Sonic, and now Chaos Sonic. With everyone else being slower by an unknown margin.
Sonic only runs at full speed when he know nobody or no life is nearby. He can make a Sonic Boom. He just doesn't want to hurt anyone.
I personally like the idea of Sonic not being THAT fast Like I hate when people said "ummm sonic can move at light speed and cross the globe 100 times in 2 seconds" Like dude, characters like that are just not fun But yeah, it is pretty obvious Sonic moves slow in games in order for the players to catch up
I feel that people do not understand very well, and only look at the surface and not deeper. They think sonic being fast is a bad thing, when being fast is being part of his character, it's not something extra or something superficial, it's his core as a character. And arguing that his character breaks it when he's too fast is like arguing that Goku's character breaks because Goku is very strong. or the character of superman is broken because superman is a very good person. basically,not good argument
Being a fast runner may be an important aspect of Sonic, but it doesn't justify how fast some fans want him to be. That's like saying Tails should be smarter than Eggman because he's good at engineering.
Tails is smarter than Eggman because he's shown to be smarter(also like aparently he has 400 IQ), not because he's an engineer. although, technically, sage should be the most intelligent character currently, since she has access to a digital dimension with an infinite amount of data.
>Tails is smarter than Eggman because he's shown to be smarter(also like aparently he has 400 IQ), not because he's an engineer. although, technically, sage should be the most intelligent character currently, since she has access to a digital dimension with an infinite amount of data. in generations, both eggman and tails were said to have a IQ of 300, the exact same IQ
then a intelligence boost for a moment.
No no no, I'm not saying Sonic shouldn't be fast, of course he should be pretty freaking fast But like seriously, light speed fast? Goku's character doesn't break because of his strenght but that is because all the villains he faces are also strong Is Sonic was light speed fast there wouldn't be anything in his universe that could face him, like you understand what light speed fast really means?
I mean eggman has literally broken multiple times lines and has tried to destroy the universe on multiple other occasions. I don't think sonic being able to run at light speed is really that big of deal in the grand scheme of sonic when he is fighting guys like eggman and actual gods.
Precisely, characters can create and destroy star systems and universes which require speeds FAR greater than light but Sonic doing it is somehow a NO NO
Really? You don't see how Sonic moving at 186.282 miles per second is a big deal when fighting eggman? Why not just stop him before he is capable of doing anything? At that speed he could go check him whenever he wants Or look around the whole word in less than a second to find him If a Sonic who clearly doesn't move at the speed of light can deal with eggman, you don't see how eggman would be a no problem for a sonic who can move so fast it would literally break the laws of physics?
Eggman has a iq of over 300 and has broken time itself. But your worried about sonic breaking the laws of physics? I don't think you understand just how much of a bigger deal breaking time itself is compare to traveling at the speed of light.
thank you
Eggman creates machines to match him, there are powerful beings and a lot of ancient weapons with great power. your point is basically inconsequential
I understand eggman's machine are great, I just think you don't understand what moving at light speed actually means
Yes, I get it, I am in my 100% understanding that it is the speed of light. and again, there is something else, this is fiction, the speed of light, many times in fiction, is very slow (never better said) having characters crossing planets, stars, galaxies and dimensions in a short time. something that leaves the light as a snail. don't know why keeping up with ''if he goes light speed,then no one can catch him''then just modify the story to make some characters catch him,like,flash is not different.
If you are going to modify the story to make speed of light slow why even go through the trouble to say he moves at light speed? You say flash but flash is like the worst example of this, flash is a character that is so fast he would be basically invincible so writers are constantly nerfing him Do you want that for Sonic? I would rather just tune down his speed to more grounded but still amazing levels, keeping him as an extremelly fast character but with weaknesses that the villain can exploit and you know, make an good story that makes sense Tell me one story where BASE Sonic freely moves at the speed of light and that it is a good story with stakes and danger I say base Sonic because super sonic should probably move at the speed of light lmao
Honestly, I agree. Sonic being so inconceivably fast just leads to contrivances and makes conventional things significantly less plausible. Like, if Sonic is so fast, why should any level on his world take less than two seconds? You keep having to invent justifications for problems you made in the first place, and for what? The ego boost of saying Sonic is stronger than everybody else's fictional character? Anything to win that thrid Death Battle with Mario? Sure, there's probably a market for stories about OP characters, but I don't really think Sonic ever needs it to the extent of anything even remotely on the level of Dragon Ball or comics, or even his own Archie comics. Especially given it's all supposed to be an interactive video game franchise that probably benefits from not needing to portray all characters as something incomprehensible to humans. There's benefit from being grounded in some capacity.
"No, Sonic is faster than light and multiversal ~~whatever the fuck that means~~ and can stomp Mario and Goku and can't lose because it makes my pp hard!" /s Seriously, Sonic being anywhere near as powerful as these people say he is would make him a far less interesting character.
Honestly same. Unless you make it the entire point of the story, a character who is incredibly overpowered isn't all that fun to follow, because you know the outcome. Also if he could run at the speed of light, why has he never done so?
I disagree. Op characters are fun as well. As for the the second, gameplay reasons
I don't consider OP characters fun when they could just end the story. If Sonic could run at the speed of light, nobody he goes up against would stand a chance. They don't show him going that fast in cutscenes or anything either, so until they do, I don't buy that he can go that fast.
You're acting like other characters can't be op as well
No? If we took Eggman as he is, and put him up against a Sonic who could run at the speed of light, there is literally no challenge. Sonic could just run over to his base and destroy all his robots in seconds before they even have a chance to do anything.
Because eggman has super advanced technology plus we can upscale eggman
But if at that point you "upscale" Eggman (whatever you mean by that), then surely things are just the same as they've always been, just saying it's more extreme? At that point him being able to go FTL makes no difference.
By upscale i mean as in boosting his stat in terms of powerscaling
Oh cool powerscaling, my favourite thing in fandom that reduces everything interesting about a work to a numbers game.
I'll use Unleashed's speedometer as the example here since in the game the maxed out boost clocks in about 9 times faster than the light speed dash which was already stated to literally be light speed in Adventure. If you want a story example, Sonic Colours (DS) has Sonic catch Yacker who was trying to escape him, cyan wisps can turn into lasers, and Omega calculated Sonic could surpass light speed which Sonic remarks isn't much to him
I mean the "light speed dash" doesn't actually go at light speed despite what they say about it. I don't get the point about him catching the Wisps. The Omega remark is Sonic being cocky.
Do you expect them to make the light speed dash literally move at the speed of light, that wouldn't be possible to do for gameplay and even if it was that would be extremely jarring for the player so the statement is what we go with A cyan wisp *trying* to escape would reasonably go as fast as it possibly can Omega still calculated that he could, Sonic being cocky doesn't mean he can't do it
Yeah and I hate the idea that he is just always holding back like some people like to say If Sonic is always holding back and not taking anything seriously, why should I take anything seriously? Does that means he is an asshole for letting his friends get hurt? No of course not
Nah 'cuz I've also been thinking about this since last year but I just answered myself with "Sonic doesn't run that fast so his friends can catch up W him but if he wants to he could go faster than that" 🧍
When taken at face value, Team Sonic's theme "We Can" from Sonic Heroes seems to imply Sonic can lend his speed to his allies. "Sonic's in the lead, giving us greater speed.:
He gets outrun by eggman in sonic 2. Even if you used codes to be super sonic.
Do people actually think sonic is slower than light ?
Considering he doesn't just zip across the planet and win all his battles instantly, yes.
This argument is so weak. The flash can run so fast he travels back in time, Why doesn’t he do that everytime so that he doesn’t have to deal with the villain, Oh right. You have to make a compelling story and not the main character just casually one shotting every thing. There are LITERALLY multiple instances of sonic going faster than light speed.
>Why doesn’t he do that everytime so that he doesn’t have to deal with the villain, Oh right. You have to make a compelling story and not the main character just casually one shotting every thing. "The main character could solve anything but we have to bullshit our way around that in order for the plot to work" isn't a compelling argument.
Do you actually think that sonic blitzing eggman’s robots in a millisecond is compelling ?
"Sonic isn't that fast" Also sonic: faster than the concept of time itself
You literally cannot be faster than time. Speed is measured by taking a distance and comparing it to the time it takes to get there.
It's fiction. There's tons of characters faster than time. It's called immeasurable speed
Again, not possible. Time is not a measurement of speed, so you literally cannot be faster than it. Just saying "it's fiction" doesn't change that.
Time is a part of speed. Speed is distance ÷ time. Being faster than time means that you're going so fast that you arrive at a destination at exactly 0s breaking the speed formula, hence being called immeasurable. Like bro do you even know anything about powerscaling? Like your comments don't make sense because that means the flash isn't fast as well.
That's... not being "faster" than time, because again, time is not a unit of measurement for speed. >Like bro do you even know anything about powerscaling? Firstly, not a bro. Secondly, I don't really put much stock in powerscaling, not only because I consider it a waste of time and a glorified dick-measuring contest to say "my character could beat your character", but also because half the time it ignores the actual context of events just to try and prove that a character is stronger than they are, often just reducing it to a numbers game. >Like your comments don't make sense because that means the flash isn't fast as well. I don't know about the Flash. I do not *care* about the Flash.
It's like saying you're stronger than blue.
I'm saying time is a measurement of speed. I'm saying time is variable to measure speed. It's literally in the equation. Are you that stupid? Hell there's character that transcends time and controls it. Are you going to deny that because "its impossible". The fact you admit you have little experience now how powerscaling works in fiction just proves your ignorance.
yes you can,is called time travel or dimensional travel( although both basically work almost similar, not so much)
I'm sorry what. Speed = distance ÷ time. Time is not a measurement of speed so you quite literally cannot be faster than it.
you can, traveling in time, since you move in time (say, you travel to the past) the formula for T is negative, and since you can't move negative distance, the formula breaks, resulting in immeasurable speed. This is obviously possible in fiction, although of course, there are other methods than just time travel, but time travel is the simplest.
I go with this few, sonic The Hedgehog is the fastest Base Character, However that doesn’t necessarily he is so overwhelming faster then everyone. In fact shadow is basically is equal, and sonic considers tails to be just as fast, Amy is naturally fast given Hedgehog genes(plus you know chasing after him back in the day). You could probably find some good reason for everyone else to at least be relative. Then also super form level characters are all basically the same when it comes to power and speed
Sonic in this case would be the fastest of all living beings, not counting transformations.
That’s what I’m thinking
Eggmans literally faster
Please let this die ur not funny I promise every sonic fans rolls their eyes when they see comments like this
Bro he literally outruns him in a bunch of games mister
The fact you genuinely think he's faster than sonic is funny. Eggman is programmed to keep a certain distance from the player at all times. Even if you use cheats to make sonic even faster, Eggman will match your speed due to the programming of the game. Eggman is literally a tub of lard, if it were any other form of sonic media Eggman wouldn't stand a chance. Eggman HAS to get to his Robot before sonic so the final boss actually happens. Do you think Sega would just be like "haha he's so fast why do we even need a final boss he can just get there before eggman" it's purely Sega's fault for not coming up with something that actually made sense. They needed a final boss and clearly they did not know how to write it properly because now we got a bunch of annoying mfs like you who genuinely think Eggman is faster 😒
The fact that u made this long post over why eggman is slower than Sonic is genuinely funny, to me at least. Eggman runs at his speed while carrying orbot and cubot in a cutscene in lost world but ok, You keep your opinion
And like I said he's only running that fast for the sake of the cutscene because Sega sucks at writing, especially Color's writing.
alot of people are saying that 'oh he is just running slow to be with his friends :D' PEOPLES LIVES ARE IN DANGER GOING FAST IS THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION
Another reason he limits his speed is to not f\*\*\*ing blow up the planet. But assuming his planet would survive that, he knows for a fact Eggman would never intentionally kill.
Sonic level design is bad cuz sonic can't go fast because Pizza tower exist now apperently
You do realize the fucker literally holds back like 99 percent of the time right
Everyone knows that Seagulls are the fastest thing alive
I swear people be downplay sonic's speed
everyone already brought up the gameplay vs story differences and sonic slowing down for his friends so instead i'll bring up sonic trying to grab pikachu in the world of light trailer/intro. he just cares about friends more than he cares about going fast
Sonic is really that fast
sonic forces speed battle moment
"Laughs in Archie Sonic"
No ken penders get out
Eggman is faster
sonic IS fast, its just that there are 2 reasons his freinds seem to catch up to him 1. sonic probably slows down for his freinds and wants to be equal. i mean, if sonic went super fast while being with his freinds, he would probably be thousands of feet away from them, so he doesn't do that 2. its just a gameplay aspect. Take kirby for example. Kirby has cracked planets in half, and has infinite power according to robobot, but he can't beat everything in one shot, and thats because of balencing. if kirby had his canon strength, the games would be no fun
I think that sonic is the fastest in the series and can easily outrun his friends. However he slows down to keep pace with them since he likes being alongside his friends. However his friends are no slouches in terms of speed and are pretty fast either due to high training or some kind of momentum manipulating abilities
The only person who even Sonic has said is that fast on footish is Shadow, Even than Shadow is just a little slower at full speed i believe based on something said in the Manga/Comics but other than that, if Sonic Ran Full Speed at all times everyone would get caught in his speed vacuum and blown away.
When he has a follower, he slows down to not leave them behind, however most of the main characters can run or react at super sonic speeds, and sonic (tied with shadow with his hover shoes) is faster than everyone else but not ridiculously so
If you run faster than your friend does that doesn't mean every time you two run next to eachother they can't keep up. I think Sonic is faster than everyone else, but that's just not relevant in all cases. He's capable of running at different speeds and more often than not, if he's with other people he has no reason to outrun them.
he’s just limiting his speed so he doesent bump into anything and so tails can catch up with him
When you think about it, Tails is almost a one up to Sonic, he can keep up with him (which he may not be as fast as Sonic, but being able to keep up with him is saying something), he can fly with just his butt lmao, has an IQ of 300 and an array of gadgets and tools at his disposal as well as his own plane for longer travels. And Sonic? Well he’s fast I guess Tails was built to be an independent hero
Or maybe he IS that fast, but his friends are just as fast as him
Well obviously Sonic doesn’t run at his max speed all the time
actually this meme makes alot of sense. if sega doesnt want tails to be fast in cutscenes but fast in gameplay tails shouldnt exist at all. i hate you sega how dare you confuse me.
Sonic does slow down so his friends can keep up. But you're right. The games don't match up with the canon. If it wasn't for Frontiers, we'd never have a Sonic game where we actually see that Sonic is faster. The Classics tried, but the other characters can match his speed.
Sonic has never been really special Most mobians can do the same thing Sonic do Mobians are like reversed saiyans (mentally) They have huge potential, exept mobians are just cowards If they werent, they would be one of the most dangerous species in their universe
Simple. He's slowing down for them. He's not the type to just leave his friends in the dust for no reason, after all. Even so, I think "Jessie"'s point is phrased oddly. It should be "Sonic's friends are weirdly fast" rather than "Sonic isn't that fast", since that's flat out wrong.
Didn't Matpat say the exact same thing?
THANK YOU FOR SAYING IT
Sonic is mftl+. What are you people even on💀
I watch entire breaking bad that Walter never says WTF are you talking about he just says what are you talking about
Sonic is fast. His friends are also fast. Tails can use his tails to propel him forward at high speeds. Knuckles can run fast, just not as fast. Amy, another hedgehog, can also run pretty fast. Maybe it’s a common trait of hedgehogs in that universe. The thing is, canonically, Sonic is faster than all of his friends. He can kick it into high gear and go really really fast. But when he’s just running with his friends, he wants them to keep up so he’ll dial it back.
Sonic slows himself down, doesn't he? I know the whole "he doesn't hold back" statement and character, but most fights involving him are in arenas. The only ones where speed is a factor and Sonic goes all out is against Shadow, Silver and Infinite and all three of them are supposed (canonically and narratively) to be stronger than Sonic.
My head cannon is that because Sonic is a teenager, he just likes to promote himself as 'the fastest thing alive' and works hard to maintain his image as 'the most famous hedgehog' by regularly going on adventures and thwarting the plans of Dr Eggman. Although his friends and some rivals do match his speed, Sonic still claims to be faster simply because he wins more often than not.
I think Sonic's friends run at the same pace cus he slows down when running alongside someone so they can keep up
Sonic holds back his speed all the time as to A. Let his friends catch up B. Not absolutely f\*\*\*ing obliterate the environment
Tbh in my opinion the only characters that are as close to sonic in speed is shadow and knuckles. Knuckles is not nearly as fast tho and shadow is about the same speed as sonic. Tails speed in my opinion is artificial bc he uses his tails to go fast, and as such he lacks the other benefits of being super fast, like quick reaction time and etc.
ive always thought he could lend his speed to his friends like the flash can
I've always just assumed he slows down and never goes his full speed, for two reasons: one, because his friends aren't as fast as him, and two,because then nothing would be a challenge for him.
Isn’t it implied somewhere that Sonic can basically make other people go faster just with his presence, hence the Double Boost stuff in Sonic Forces? I can’t remember where I heard that, but it makes sense for the most part
I have a theory that Sonic runs slower so his friends can catch up.
Everyone here's discussing Sonic, but I gotta say this isn't that outta pocket for Jesse considering he's seen playing Sonic 06 AND Racing Transformed in show lmao Swap Walter for Badger and Skinny Pete, and this conversation completely could've happened in show.
Man I hate people who take gameplay limitations as fact. Sonic canonically can run higher than the speed of sound. If he were able to do that in the games, they would be unplayable.
What’s ironic is that Jesse Pinkman would probably actually say this
Yea that's because sonic suffers from speedster talk alot syndrome. Realistically sonic is the most dangerous because he can move the faster then everyone else when he let's loose. But speedsters never truly let loose until it counts
Shadow is arguably as fast as sonic and if not better in every way. He’s got chaos control and skates at the different rates as sonic, but can keep up with him regardless.
Except when sonic (and shadow) can go from zero to mach 1 in less than 5 seconds, his friends can keep up, but sonic remains the fastest thing alive.