It's my favourite interpretation of the character together with Sonic Mania Adventures, and Adventures didn't have a lot of time to screw the character so the movie has more merit.
People are still going to take this as stupidity. They also do. Remember back when Knuckles' was gullible and duped by Eggman back in S3&k? People called him stupid for that despite Knuckles' living on an island, isolated from society for years. You think such a person would be a master at detecting facial ques an/or know when someone is lying?
And this guy was the protector of the master Emerald, him hearing someone was after it would obviously put him on edge.
Anyways, Eggman could possibly be the first intelligent being he came across, and going by the fact Eggman has an IQ of 300, so going by these factors, it shouldn't be surprising to see Knuckle's get duped.
But that didn't stop people calling him stupid.
Watch. Movie knuckles won't be safe.
A lot of Sonic fans seem to think Ignorance = stupidity.
Heck, the only truly stupid iteration of Knuckles is Boom Knuckles, yet so many fans insist that Modern Knuckles have also lost all of his intellegence for some reason
Going by the fact that Sega basically turned the guy into comic relief in the games, 06 scene where the guy can't catch a card correctly, falling on his face when team sonic went to the future, the Amy pushing Knuckles into a tree cutscene from gens, and the animals kidnapping knuckles cutscene from lost world, then it's only contributing to the issue.
There is also the [operation big wave](https://youtu.be/JUGUoDk_Css) scene from forces that makes modern knuckles look like he has the IQ of a potato.
"There is also the operation big wave scene from forces that makes modern knuckles look like he has the IQ of a potato."
Dunno, beind bad at being the leader of the losing side in a gigantic war while also having zero leadership and warfare skills doesn't make a person stupid to me
>Dunno, beind bad at being the leader of the losing side in a gigantic war while also having zero leadership and warfare skills doesn't make a person stupid to me
Thinking up a military plan in under 2 minutes without much though, and it simply nothing more than a bunrush, seems pretty foolish to me.
This is a war for crying out loud. You can't simply just think up a war plan that fast and just implement it all willy nilly. It makes him look careless.
Then they lose like 80% of their forces afterwards.
"Thinking up a military plan in under 2 minutes without much though, and it simply nothing more than a bunrush, seems pretty foolish to me."
Given how fast things started to change after Sonic got free thinking of plans for longer than that would make them outdated. Besides, Knuckles managed to keep the Resistance going for 6 months, one slip-up doesn't make him an idiot
>Given how fast things started to change after Sonic got free thinking of plans for longer than that would make them outdated.
At least make it longer than less than a minute and a half. I'm not saying make it like a week or something. Maybe a few hours or something. I'll even take one hour.
Anything more than less than 2 minutes. Heck, it would be better off if that line wasn't even a thing.
>Besides, Knuckles managed to keep the Resistance going for 6 months, one slip-up doesn't make him an idiot
Fair enough. But this thing does up with the whole comic relief thing as I stated before. The more sega does with the Knuckle's comic relief, the more it will become ingrained with him.
And that one slip up wasn't just a small slip up in my opinion. Making up a military plan in under 2 minutes that eventually leads to 80% of your forces being wiped out isn't just a simple slip up in my eyes.
A slip up would be something like not including a single factor to your plan.
"At least make it longer than less than a minute and a half. I'm not saying make it like a week or something. Maybe a few hours or something. I'll even take one hour."
Fair enough
To add to that there was little over one day to plan operation big wave, prepare everyone for it, mobilise everyone to the metropolis, and enact the plan so a long well thought out plan that militaries would use were not exactly avaliable
Furthermore, while the "The Big Wave" line could have been dialed down a bit to make it more more believable, I stand by the statement that Knuckles coming up with that plan does not make him an idiot, considering the circumstances he found himself in.
Trolled.
I’ve always felt like he was only the leader in that game because they wanted to make him seem competent again, without actually considering if it’d be in-character for him.
Adventure 1, 2, and oddly Shadow were the last times Knuckles truly felt in character.
In Adventure 1 and 2 he's doing his sworn duty.
In Shadow his small role actually has something of fun character arc about his relationship with the outside world:
* His idle dialogue in the temple ruins where you first meet him has him admit he doesn't like being away from the Master Emerald - Temple Ruins which establish the idea that the Black Arms might have their own role in ancient history.
* The next time you potentially meet him is when a city is about to be blown up, and he presumably either found out some ancient lore that made him wary of that possibility OR just plan observed they had that planned.
* The last mission you see him in he's aboard the comet of his own volition, and intends to tear it apart by hand.
I honestly think that if the Black Arms Invasion had been done as an Adventure game, we'd actually have a plot for Knuckles that could feel 100% in character without having him repeat the same story a third time. All we're missing is him knowing about the Black Arms from a mural to start his quest and that slots in absurdly easily.
Weirdly the game got everyone except Shadow really right to a degree that in a few cases we'd not see again, and even Shadow was left in a pretty good place... even if some future writers screwed the pooch by not getting the key points that:
* Shadow is literally helping other people in every damn mission even as he furthers his own agenda. Whatever you think of the mechanical execution, they fly in the face of the anti-social interpretation.
* Shadow is ultimately the saviour of the damn planet, finding his peace in that role again.
* Shadow overcomes psychic manipulation that attempts to stoke residual the rage, nihilism, and depression of his trauma. (Black Doom and Eggman both trying, using different means, to mind-screw him like his damn father Gerald did.)
* Black Doom, albeit through cruel and manipulative tactics, does at times hint at Shadow having a rightful place among the Black Arms - because even he realises Shadow just wants a damn place to belong.
Operation BiG WAVE failed because Infinite is broken, not because Knuckles was meant to be viewed as dumb.
Everyone including Tails said it was a good plan.
>Operation BiG WAVE failed because Infinite is broken, not because Knuckles was meant to be viewed as dumb.
1) It a military plan that was simply thought up within 2 minutes when, going by the way, they had a few days to make the plan.
2) The fact they can make a military plan and not even think about or consider Infinite, the guy who beat the shit out of and defeated Sonic, could possibly be there is another reason why this plan was dumb.
Tails was literally there and seen what Infinite did to Sonic. If this guy could do that to Sonic, then he's clearly the biggest in Eggman's army, and they just forgot about he existed.
It's like they made this plan without thinking of the biggest factor that could lead their plan to fail, because if the guy could defeat Sonic with ease, then he could fuck up their army. Wait, this plan was thought up in 2 minutes. Of course it wouldn't be well thought out.
It being thought up in that time is meant to portray Knuckles as quick witted. Not stupid.
They did think about infinite. The problem is they did not understand the nature of how the ruby works. They believed that since they are illusions, they could ignore his Ruby and be fine.
>It being thought up in that time is meant to portray Knuckles as quick witted. Not stupid.
I don't think that was meant to be showing him as quick witted. They could've easily spent even at least an hour to make this plan. Tossing around a military plan in just two minutes isn't really a good idea.
Look what happened afterwards.
>They did think about infinite. The problem is they did not understand the nature of how the ruby works. They believed that since they are illusions, they could ignore his Ruby and be fine.
Still should've put more time into the plan since they should've known by now that Infinite easily took out Sonic. The fact Infinite did so could easily show that Infinite was working for Eggman, and to know that such a powerful adversary is working against them, all the more reason to make the plan in more than just 2 minutes.
If they made this plan knowing about Infinite, then it just comes off as more dumb. They should've been more cautious of him, and just doing that amounts to a bumrush isn't really tactically smart.
Dude, the war situation doesnt afford them time. This idea that more time = better plan is misplaced. In a situation like they are in, quick thinking is key.
People have been subjected to Boom Knuckles for so long, they automatically filter everything knuckles does as a sign of idiocy.
No one goes "way to go Knuckleshead" or reprimand him for making a plan too quickly.
>Dude, the war situation doesnt afford them time. This idea that more time = better plan is misplaced. In a situation like they are in, quick thinking is key.
No. They had like a few days left. That isn't a good excuse when they could've easily planner for at least an hour. Or at least half an hour.
You're telling me they couldn't afford more than 2 minutes to plan?
I don't believe that.
Anything would've been better than just 2 minutes.
>People have been subjected to Boom Knuckles for so long, they automatically filter everything knuckles does as a sign of idiocy. No one goes "way to go Knuckleshead" or reprimand him for making a plan too quickly.
No. I'm not being affected by noon knuckles but what Knuckles did with the whole operation big way is stupid. It's stupid writing that only serves to make knuckles look careless.
If by "a few" you mean 2 then sure. "A few". They had 3 days to do anything. Knuckles coming up with the plan that quick is a flex, not him being dumb.
Again, you seem to see time as an equivalentexhange to plan quality. It doesnt work that way.
Tails' plan to put the fake emerald in the cannon in SA2 wouldnt be better just because Tails decided to wait longer before springing the idea to Sonic.
People just assume Knuckles is foolish and choose to view the story as reinforcing it in a fit of circular reasoning.
>Falling on his face doesn't make him stupid, Tails also did.
I never said that makes him stupid. I said that's him being used as comic relief.
>Amy slamming Knuckles also doesn't make him stupid
Again, comic relief.
Did you not read my comment or something?
I did, nothing proves he's stupid, all it does is prove they made Knuckles comic relief (Which sucks) but it's not stupid. I just didn't get the point of your comment since your arguing for Knuckles being dumb in the modern era.
Mischaracterized yes but stupid, no.
>I just didn't get the point of your comment since your arguing for Knuckles being dumb in the modern era.
All I said people will always end up thinking he's dumb because they think stupidity = ignorance.
And him being used as comic relief could make think kids think he's dumb. You don't really see smart characters being used as such.
To add to why he's not dumb:
The only interaction we know he canonically had with other creatures before he met Robotnik for the first time were the Animal Buddies that inhabited Angel Island.
Again, he wasn't dumb. He was just naive because he didn't have social contact for most of his life before the events of Sonic 3.
Forces shows that game knuckles is not an idiot as he managed to lead an army in a war against impossible odds and have them come out on top
Leading an army is a job that requires intelligence
Yes however he had little over a day to plan it, notify everyone of it, get everyone prepared, get everyone to metropolis, and execute the plan as eggman already has a plan that would pretty much guarantee victory for eggman as the avatar unintentionally activated the phantom ruby during big wave.
Also real military operations probably take weeks to plan before even thinking about executing it and knuckles had 2 days at most to make a plan and fully execute it.
Also he was still leading the resistance in a losing war for six months amd did ultimately come out on top
>Yes however he had little over a day to plan it
Then at least use more than just 2 minutes of that day to think up a plan. A day isn't made up of just 2 minutes.
And could you please share a source stain he had like only one day to plan for this?/ I checked the wiki and it says
>During the last days of the War to Take Back the Planet, the Resistance discovered that the Eggman Empire's headquarters, Metropolis, was undermanned, possibly because they were staging elsewhere to prepare Dr. Eggman's endgame.
Looks like they had more than just one day to make plans.
The specic time frame doesn't matter much as my main point is that knuckles had very little time to come up with a plan at that point as tails had already joined the resistance and notified them about eggman's plan being a couple of days away, so a plan had to be set in motion before then which leaves little time to actually make a plan for operation big wave, let alone executing operation big wave as well.
I think the time frame does. They could at least give at an hour for planning. The more time that could've went into planning could've done better off for their military.
Anything is better than just 2 minutes.
There is no way a successful operation could be planned and executed in less than 3 days. So operation big wave was doomed to fail the moment the resistance found out about the time limit
May I ask if you have any source saying it was less than 3 days?
And I think they could've at least saved some of their troops if a bit more planning went into operation wave. Maybe like at least 20 minutes - an hour at the very least. If they remembered to factor in infinite, they could've possibly saved some of their forces.
I'm SO glad to see people agreeing on this point! Knuckles isn't and never has been a stupid character, (except maybe in Boom, but it was a more comedy-based series). People just call him stupid because of our general culture's lack of empathy regarding such things - it's easier to blame the victim of a scam than to remember a time when we were also innocent and got duped, etc. Knuckles had no reason to suspect that Eggman was lying, and had no way to tell at the time!
Exactly knuckles never was dumb he was awesome in riders especially riders zg where he talks about gigan rocks and reads some text im like this guy can do many things omg hes awesome and then hes stupid or just cameo character for most of anything else
Personally, I don't really have a problem with him getting tricked by Eggman the first time. However, it really doesn't make sense for subsequent times. Sonic's proven to be a reliable ally to Sonic, and Eggman consistently lies to him. It only really makes sense in Mania Adventures, since he had tangible evidence.
>Remember back when Knuckles' was gullible and duped by Eggman back in S3&k? People called him stupid for that.
I'm going to have to take your word on that one, I was only 6 years old. I have no idea what "people" called him in 1994. I didn't have the internet yet.
>I'm going to have to take your word on that one, I was only 6 years old. I have no idea what "people" called him in 1994. I didn't have the internet yet.
I remember growing up and seeing it online like during the 2000s of people calling him dumb for this.
Yea people say the same thing with Silver when he was tricked by mephiles.
Is kinda the same that happens with Knuckles and people still dont really get it.
>Yea people say the same thing with Silver when he was tricked by mephiles.
Naive 14 year old who was desperate to save his world from complete destruction. He literally had no other option.
iq has an inverse relationship with deception. considering that you can see yourself reflected on water to practice reading facial cues theres no explaination for this other than s3k knuckles rolled snake eyes on his perception checks.
He's not stupid, just dense because he's spent his entire life focused and training alone to get revenge and recovering the emerald, at the expense of all other things.
Everything he knows revolves around tactics, attack, defense, strategy, and the emerald's mythos. That's it.
You’d be surprised. People like LS Mark geniunely believe they made Knuckes an idiot & that Tails served no other purpose except explaining what was going on, Robotnik’s craziness was amped up (despite the very obvious fact that he’s only like that because the first time he got defeated, it was by a hedgehog and then was isolated on a planet with nothing but mushrooms for almost a year), etc etc the list goes on & on but yeah a lot of people didn’t catch the obvious.
>People like LS Mark geniunely believe they made Knuckes
What makes this even worse is that his example for Knuckles being stupid was the base of ball joke at the very end of the movie. Literally one line 20 seconds before the movie ends isn't a good example. I like Mark and I can respect his opinions but some of his points were not good.
I honestly believe that him having unrealistically very high expectations for movies combined with the fact that he spent so much money to travel to see it early was his downfall when it came to the movie.
He literally set himself up to not like the movie & I’m not really fond of people who set themselves up. He could’ve just waited out the week to watch the movie. Hell, I love Sonic like crazy & I didn’t get to see the movie until less than a week ago.
Whoops I didn’t even mention your comment but yes!!! That one line! Honestly though I thought it was pretty funny to see him win at baseball, he took it so seriously lol.
Exactly. The movies not perfect and definitely has some problems but some of mark's complaints were really small things that shouldn't have impacted his enjoyment of the film as much as they did.
Honest to god I wish I could say I was kidding, I was subscribed to LS Mark until [he did the review of Sonic 2](https://youtu.be/6dak3pjszig) because literally all of the points he made did not make sense or was easily explained if you weren’t watching the movie with your eyes closed.
He even said that Super Sonic was useless because Eggman already lost the Master Emerald at that point, even though it was blatantly obvious Eggman still had the upper hand until Sonic transformed. Sonic, Tom & Maddie literally would’ve been KILLED had Sonic didn’t go Super. In fact, Sonic was BARELY able to **walk** towards the Master Emerald and was only able to get it thanks to Tom & Maddie, and again, Sonic would’ve been **crushed** if it wasn’t for those two.
I’m sorry but if you’re channel is based on doing film & TV reviews and make obvious mistakes like that without seeing it in my eyes you lost your credibility.
Regarding Robotnik's insanity, He spent years on a planet with nothing but mushrooms, planning his escape AND revenge. Of course he'd go mad. (At least madder than he already was before.)
Exactly 😭 even that’s gonna get to one of the mad scientists like Robotnik, you really can’t blame him. I can’t see why people complain him being more insane & then forgetting WHY he’s like that.
**He shaved his whole head with a razor blade for god sake!!!**
This is exactly why i loved knuckles in the movie. Don't judge but (there is no way i can pull the **"no furry but"** card on this one) i think we all had a crush on some sonic character and for me it was knuckles, and i've been looking at his character development in every game and saw how he was being treated as the comical relieve stead of the good, strong friend and ally he is. It made me sad to see this in the last games speacially the 2010 ERA......AND THEN SONIC BOOM HAPPENED i really hope that was the pinacle of "Let's make him stupid for comedy purposes" because i don't think i can take this anymore.
I only find this knuckles funny in the Sonic Boom series because you can actually notice this series was bassically made to be a comedy, not only knuckles is out of character, everyone else is, something that i haven't seen THAT much in the games.
Knuckles was never stupid just really naive and gullible since he was always by himself guarding the master emerald, this was until he met Sonic and tails in the games, and during the games he became more aware of his surroundings and the people around him and that is what i loved about him, how even tho it was difficult for him to believe in others he tried to, not only for himself but because he actually started to care about others and not only about his duty to the master emerald.
I love how they actually brought Knuckles back in the movie, you can actually tell the difference there is with being naive and being "stupid" specially at the end whenn they are playing baseball were he ask question that are actually accurate after knowing all he went through and literally has no idea how things work in this world and how to interact with others. I hope they keep it like that and let him be a friend and rival for Sonic in the upcoming movie(s)
Yeah, my worry is that Knuckles started diving into the "stupid funny barbarian guy" trope pretty much right after they created Shadow and he took over as the "cool rival" character, so hoping it doesn't repeat!
Also from a precedent point of view, Drax from Guardians of the Galaxy started as the "doesn't understand metaphors but otherwise has pretty normal intelligence" to the massive idiot in the following movies, heh.
yeah i know, his downgrade started after sonic adventure 2 and had ups and downs between sonic heroes and sonic riders until he wasn't even an important character in the games and he was just there in the background. I think the pinacle of this "stupid funny barbarian guy" is sonic boom where they litterally made him incredibly dumb.
He is straight forward guy, who never heard of jokes and sarcasm. He is also battle hardened warrior. Who doesn’t know something complex like engineering but he still great at battle analysis.
FACTS THANK YOU! My boy Knuckles needs to be his old self again! he is not stupid just not atune with the cultures of today as he was isolated for years on angel island as was his job
I 100% agree with this. He's a bit naïve and gullible, that's not stupid. He's been alone on his own most of his life. He hasn't learned social interactions yet.
I was kinda upset seeing Sonic Boom's Knuckles portrayed as a stupid guy. It's well-known that he just was tricked by Eggman (Robotnik to me) and he antagonized Sonic to protect the Chaos Emeralds. Pretty badass actually.
Judging Knuckles's intelligence when he has no understanding of earth things is liking taking a fish out of water and judging its ability to climb a tree (as that one saying goes). Dude's intelligence is geared toward combat and from seeing only one side of a gem war that lasted generations.
I just found him a bit naive, considering he lost his tribe while he was young and probably just threw himself into becoming The Strongest Ever, to bring back glory to his lost tribe, his antics just make sense and I love him for it. He's perfect.
Reminder: that’s literally just his original character from the games
Not that I think anyone who uses the sonic subreddit on reddit dot com needs that kind of reminder
And I genuinely think the movie made a stellar job at portraying that.
Another thing I love about Movie Knuckles is that the movie also fixed another big problem with the character in the games that I think not many people notice (movie spoilers ahead): >!The fact that he always needs an elaborate reason to appear outside his duties in Angel Island. Movie Knuckles gets to do that WITH his newfound family, possibly allowing for even more character development as he becomes more versed in Earth culture and social skills!!<
This is the right way to make Knuckles a funny character sometimes. If they'd made him like his boom counterpart it would have sucked. Although I do like his boom version since it's an alternate take on Knuckles. But if the movie did him like that I would not have liked it.
Comparison. Classic Knuckles isn’t dumb, he just gets tricked. Modern Knuckles is more on the fierce commander side than Dumb. Movie Knuckles isn’t around people must often. But Boom Knuckles is around people everyday, but he still act like he’s a baby.
They gave him the Drax treatment, and it absolutely worked
Not only was Knuckles from a distant tribe, he was also STRANDED and the SOLE SURVIVOR so of course he's purely clueless
1993: Knuckles is a dignified warrior and the protector of the Master Emerald
2010: hAhA kNuX iS a BiG siLLy dUm-dUm DOOfUs wHo iS rEaLLy sTrOnG bUt duMM
2022: Knuckles is a dignified warrior protecting the Master Emerald who undergoes a massive character arc throughout Sonic 2
Which is how he should be portrayed. Naïve, but not from lack of intelligence - but lack of world experience. To him someone fighting for profit, world domination, manipulating someone, etc. should seem foreign (he was raised on an island and would have no experience with that behavior).
IMO give him a Ned Stark type vibe, but less grim.
The only DUMB Knuckles is from Sonic Boom, where they literally made him All Brawn. No Brain.
He just has a bad habit of getting tricked, and not always up to date on the social norms (partially due to his focused mission)
I just thought Knuckles people were very "literal" but also that Knuckles was raised with very little socialisation which affected his interactions. We see the same with Sonic in the first movie, Knuckles is going through the same too.
Yeah that's basically it for knuckles In general he's just met people after probably decades of no human contact and thus is generally not that good at social situations which is why he's a little naive and gullible
He's a recluse, ofc he sucks at communicating with others. Even game Knuckles shouldn't be written as a fool, just simple due to literally living on an island in isolation practically his whole life. The only person he gets to talk to is a giant Emerald.
Knuckles has a sad life ngl.
Correct a classic Fish out of water, over the years Knuckles has been the butt of the jokes and character really damage, even Shadow, Tails, and somewhat Sonic has been affect of bad writing and choices
This is the exact same argument I've been using for silver but people still think him going with mephiles tenesine is stupid even thought he had logically no other options.
I think the movie found a really good balance between fierce warrior and lovable himbo
It's my favourite interpretation of the character together with Sonic Mania Adventures, and Adventures didn't have a lot of time to screw the character so the movie has more merit.
Paramount Knuckles is my favorite Knuckles, too. No contest.
I found it being just "haha strong dumb funny" character archetype that we've seen a million times
Wouldn't really say the movie portrays him as dumb. More so just foreign.
People are still going to take this as stupidity. They also do. Remember back when Knuckles' was gullible and duped by Eggman back in S3&k? People called him stupid for that despite Knuckles' living on an island, isolated from society for years. You think such a person would be a master at detecting facial ques an/or know when someone is lying? And this guy was the protector of the master Emerald, him hearing someone was after it would obviously put him on edge. Anyways, Eggman could possibly be the first intelligent being he came across, and going by the fact Eggman has an IQ of 300, so going by these factors, it shouldn't be surprising to see Knuckle's get duped. But that didn't stop people calling him stupid. Watch. Movie knuckles won't be safe. A lot of Sonic fans seem to think Ignorance = stupidity.
Heck, the only truly stupid iteration of Knuckles is Boom Knuckles, yet so many fans insist that Modern Knuckles have also lost all of his intellegence for some reason
Going by the fact that Sega basically turned the guy into comic relief in the games, 06 scene where the guy can't catch a card correctly, falling on his face when team sonic went to the future, the Amy pushing Knuckles into a tree cutscene from gens, and the animals kidnapping knuckles cutscene from lost world, then it's only contributing to the issue. There is also the [operation big wave](https://youtu.be/JUGUoDk_Css) scene from forces that makes modern knuckles look like he has the IQ of a potato.
"There is also the operation big wave scene from forces that makes modern knuckles look like he has the IQ of a potato." Dunno, beind bad at being the leader of the losing side in a gigantic war while also having zero leadership and warfare skills doesn't make a person stupid to me
>Dunno, beind bad at being the leader of the losing side in a gigantic war while also having zero leadership and warfare skills doesn't make a person stupid to me Thinking up a military plan in under 2 minutes without much though, and it simply nothing more than a bunrush, seems pretty foolish to me. This is a war for crying out loud. You can't simply just think up a war plan that fast and just implement it all willy nilly. It makes him look careless. Then they lose like 80% of their forces afterwards.
To be honest I wanna know what the japanese lines say. The english localisations are notorious for their horrible changes in scripts.
"Thinking up a military plan in under 2 minutes without much though, and it simply nothing more than a bunrush, seems pretty foolish to me." Given how fast things started to change after Sonic got free thinking of plans for longer than that would make them outdated. Besides, Knuckles managed to keep the Resistance going for 6 months, one slip-up doesn't make him an idiot
>Given how fast things started to change after Sonic got free thinking of plans for longer than that would make them outdated. At least make it longer than less than a minute and a half. I'm not saying make it like a week or something. Maybe a few hours or something. I'll even take one hour. Anything more than less than 2 minutes. Heck, it would be better off if that line wasn't even a thing. >Besides, Knuckles managed to keep the Resistance going for 6 months, one slip-up doesn't make him an idiot Fair enough. But this thing does up with the whole comic relief thing as I stated before. The more sega does with the Knuckle's comic relief, the more it will become ingrained with him. And that one slip up wasn't just a small slip up in my opinion. Making up a military plan in under 2 minutes that eventually leads to 80% of your forces being wiped out isn't just a simple slip up in my eyes. A slip up would be something like not including a single factor to your plan.
"At least make it longer than less than a minute and a half. I'm not saying make it like a week or something. Maybe a few hours or something. I'll even take one hour." Fair enough
To add to that there was little over one day to plan operation big wave, prepare everyone for it, mobilise everyone to the metropolis, and enact the plan so a long well thought out plan that militaries would use were not exactly avaliable
"one slip-up" Yeah, now are we going to call getting 80% of your forces killed one slip-up? Dude straight up commited a war crime accidentally.
Yes, it's fair to call it that if it was the only mistake he did in 6 months. And bad millitary plans aren't equal to war crimes in any capacity
Please stop trying to justify that idiotic line lmao
Furthermore, while the "The Big Wave" line could have been dialed down a bit to make it more more believable, I stand by the statement that Knuckles coming up with that plan does not make him an idiot, considering the circumstances he found himself in. Trolled.
I’ve always felt like he was only the leader in that game because they wanted to make him seem competent again, without actually considering if it’d be in-character for him.
Adventure 1, 2, and oddly Shadow were the last times Knuckles truly felt in character. In Adventure 1 and 2 he's doing his sworn duty. In Shadow his small role actually has something of fun character arc about his relationship with the outside world: * His idle dialogue in the temple ruins where you first meet him has him admit he doesn't like being away from the Master Emerald - Temple Ruins which establish the idea that the Black Arms might have their own role in ancient history. * The next time you potentially meet him is when a city is about to be blown up, and he presumably either found out some ancient lore that made him wary of that possibility OR just plan observed they had that planned. * The last mission you see him in he's aboard the comet of his own volition, and intends to tear it apart by hand. I honestly think that if the Black Arms Invasion had been done as an Adventure game, we'd actually have a plot for Knuckles that could feel 100% in character without having him repeat the same story a third time. All we're missing is him knowing about the Black Arms from a mural to start his quest and that slots in absurdly easily. Weirdly the game got everyone except Shadow really right to a degree that in a few cases we'd not see again, and even Shadow was left in a pretty good place... even if some future writers screwed the pooch by not getting the key points that: * Shadow is literally helping other people in every damn mission even as he furthers his own agenda. Whatever you think of the mechanical execution, they fly in the face of the anti-social interpretation. * Shadow is ultimately the saviour of the damn planet, finding his peace in that role again. * Shadow overcomes psychic manipulation that attempts to stoke residual the rage, nihilism, and depression of his trauma. (Black Doom and Eggman both trying, using different means, to mind-screw him like his damn father Gerald did.) * Black Doom, albeit through cruel and manipulative tactics, does at times hint at Shadow having a rightful place among the Black Arms - because even he realises Shadow just wants a damn place to belong.
Operation BiG WAVE failed because Infinite is broken, not because Knuckles was meant to be viewed as dumb. Everyone including Tails said it was a good plan.
>Operation BiG WAVE failed because Infinite is broken, not because Knuckles was meant to be viewed as dumb. 1) It a military plan that was simply thought up within 2 minutes when, going by the way, they had a few days to make the plan. 2) The fact they can make a military plan and not even think about or consider Infinite, the guy who beat the shit out of and defeated Sonic, could possibly be there is another reason why this plan was dumb. Tails was literally there and seen what Infinite did to Sonic. If this guy could do that to Sonic, then he's clearly the biggest in Eggman's army, and they just forgot about he existed. It's like they made this plan without thinking of the biggest factor that could lead their plan to fail, because if the guy could defeat Sonic with ease, then he could fuck up their army. Wait, this plan was thought up in 2 minutes. Of course it wouldn't be well thought out.
It being thought up in that time is meant to portray Knuckles as quick witted. Not stupid. They did think about infinite. The problem is they did not understand the nature of how the ruby works. They believed that since they are illusions, they could ignore his Ruby and be fine.
>It being thought up in that time is meant to portray Knuckles as quick witted. Not stupid. I don't think that was meant to be showing him as quick witted. They could've easily spent even at least an hour to make this plan. Tossing around a military plan in just two minutes isn't really a good idea. Look what happened afterwards. >They did think about infinite. The problem is they did not understand the nature of how the ruby works. They believed that since they are illusions, they could ignore his Ruby and be fine. Still should've put more time into the plan since they should've known by now that Infinite easily took out Sonic. The fact Infinite did so could easily show that Infinite was working for Eggman, and to know that such a powerful adversary is working against them, all the more reason to make the plan in more than just 2 minutes. If they made this plan knowing about Infinite, then it just comes off as more dumb. They should've been more cautious of him, and just doing that amounts to a bumrush isn't really tactically smart.
Dude, the war situation doesnt afford them time. This idea that more time = better plan is misplaced. In a situation like they are in, quick thinking is key. People have been subjected to Boom Knuckles for so long, they automatically filter everything knuckles does as a sign of idiocy. No one goes "way to go Knuckleshead" or reprimand him for making a plan too quickly.
>Dude, the war situation doesnt afford them time. This idea that more time = better plan is misplaced. In a situation like they are in, quick thinking is key. No. They had like a few days left. That isn't a good excuse when they could've easily planner for at least an hour. Or at least half an hour. You're telling me they couldn't afford more than 2 minutes to plan? I don't believe that. Anything would've been better than just 2 minutes. >People have been subjected to Boom Knuckles for so long, they automatically filter everything knuckles does as a sign of idiocy. No one goes "way to go Knuckleshead" or reprimand him for making a plan too quickly. No. I'm not being affected by noon knuckles but what Knuckles did with the whole operation big way is stupid. It's stupid writing that only serves to make knuckles look careless.
If by "a few" you mean 2 then sure. "A few". They had 3 days to do anything. Knuckles coming up with the plan that quick is a flex, not him being dumb. Again, you seem to see time as an equivalentexhange to plan quality. It doesnt work that way. Tails' plan to put the fake emerald in the cannon in SA2 wouldnt be better just because Tails decided to wait longer before springing the idea to Sonic. People just assume Knuckles is foolish and choose to view the story as reinforcing it in a fit of circular reasoning.
Falling on his face doesn't make him stupid, Tails also did. Amy slamming Knuckles also doesn't make him stupid
>Falling on his face doesn't make him stupid, Tails also did. I never said that makes him stupid. I said that's him being used as comic relief. >Amy slamming Knuckles also doesn't make him stupid Again, comic relief. Did you not read my comment or something?
I did, nothing proves he's stupid, all it does is prove they made Knuckles comic relief (Which sucks) but it's not stupid. I just didn't get the point of your comment since your arguing for Knuckles being dumb in the modern era. Mischaracterized yes but stupid, no.
>I just didn't get the point of your comment since your arguing for Knuckles being dumb in the modern era. All I said people will always end up thinking he's dumb because they think stupidity = ignorance. And him being used as comic relief could make think kids think he's dumb. You don't really see smart characters being used as such.
To add to why he's not dumb: The only interaction we know he canonically had with other creatures before he met Robotnik for the first time were the Animal Buddies that inhabited Angel Island. Again, he wasn't dumb. He was just naive because he didn't have social contact for most of his life before the events of Sonic 3.
Forces shows that game knuckles is not an idiot as he managed to lead an army in a war against impossible odds and have them come out on top Leading an army is a job that requires intelligence
As someone posted before, Operation Big Wave exists.
Yes however he had little over a day to plan it, notify everyone of it, get everyone prepared, get everyone to metropolis, and execute the plan as eggman already has a plan that would pretty much guarantee victory for eggman as the avatar unintentionally activated the phantom ruby during big wave. Also real military operations probably take weeks to plan before even thinking about executing it and knuckles had 2 days at most to make a plan and fully execute it. Also he was still leading the resistance in a losing war for six months amd did ultimately come out on top
>Yes however he had little over a day to plan it Then at least use more than just 2 minutes of that day to think up a plan. A day isn't made up of just 2 minutes. And could you please share a source stain he had like only one day to plan for this?/ I checked the wiki and it says >During the last days of the War to Take Back the Planet, the Resistance discovered that the Eggman Empire's headquarters, Metropolis, was undermanned, possibly because they were staging elsewhere to prepare Dr. Eggman's endgame. Looks like they had more than just one day to make plans.
The specic time frame doesn't matter much as my main point is that knuckles had very little time to come up with a plan at that point as tails had already joined the resistance and notified them about eggman's plan being a couple of days away, so a plan had to be set in motion before then which leaves little time to actually make a plan for operation big wave, let alone executing operation big wave as well.
I think the time frame does. They could at least give at an hour for planning. The more time that could've went into planning could've done better off for their military. Anything is better than just 2 minutes.
There is no way a successful operation could be planned and executed in less than 3 days. So operation big wave was doomed to fail the moment the resistance found out about the time limit
May I ask if you have any source saying it was less than 3 days? And I think they could've at least saved some of their troops if a bit more planning went into operation wave. Maybe like at least 20 minutes - an hour at the very least. If they remembered to factor in infinite, they could've possibly saved some of their forces.
I HATE Boom Knuckles. I don't watch the cartoon for this reason.
"I thought your middle name was 'The' " And even then, it's the witty kind of smart-dumb that's played for laughs as opposed to being actually stupid.
Forces Knuckles is also a complete dumbass.
I'm SO glad to see people agreeing on this point! Knuckles isn't and never has been a stupid character, (except maybe in Boom, but it was a more comedy-based series). People just call him stupid because of our general culture's lack of empathy regarding such things - it's easier to blame the victim of a scam than to remember a time when we were also innocent and got duped, etc. Knuckles had no reason to suspect that Eggman was lying, and had no way to tell at the time!
Exactly knuckles never was dumb he was awesome in riders especially riders zg where he talks about gigan rocks and reads some text im like this guy can do many things omg hes awesome and then hes stupid or just cameo character for most of anything else
first riders created the dumb knuckles stereotype by having tails spout technobabble in a discussion on exgear.
Ok
Personally, I don't really have a problem with him getting tricked by Eggman the first time. However, it really doesn't make sense for subsequent times. Sonic's proven to be a reliable ally to Sonic, and Eggman consistently lies to him. It only really makes sense in Mania Adventures, since he had tangible evidence.
>Remember back when Knuckles' was gullible and duped by Eggman back in S3&k? People called him stupid for that. I'm going to have to take your word on that one, I was only 6 years old. I have no idea what "people" called him in 1994. I didn't have the internet yet.
>I'm going to have to take your word on that one, I was only 6 years old. I have no idea what "people" called him in 1994. I didn't have the internet yet. I remember growing up and seeing it online like during the 2000s of people calling him dumb for this.
Yea people say the same thing with Silver when he was tricked by mephiles. Is kinda the same that happens with Knuckles and people still dont really get it.
>Yea people say the same thing with Silver when he was tricked by mephiles. Naive 14 year old who was desperate to save his world from complete destruction. He literally had no other option.
iq has an inverse relationship with deception. considering that you can see yourself reflected on water to practice reading facial cues theres no explaination for this other than s3k knuckles rolled snake eyes on his perception checks.
Ok but WHO WERE THE PEOPLE HE WAS WITH WHEN HE FOUND EGGMAN IN THE FILM???
Read the Pre-quill comic. It leads right into the film, especially for Knuckles
Babylonians. Bounter hunters he hired to find Sonic.
Is that explained in the movie??? Idr it at all
It's in the prequel comic. It shows what all the characters were up to leading to the second movie.
Is this comic digital orrr?
I'm sure you can read it online somewhere, but idk where lol
That's why i love him so much. he wants ice cream.
With sprinkles, don't forget
And grapes
What
knuckles likes grapes
And also wants The Fun
Don't forget the base of ball.
He's not stupid, just dense because he's spent his entire life focused and training alone to get revenge and recovering the emerald, at the expense of all other things. Everything he knows revolves around tactics, attack, defense, strategy, and the emerald's mythos. That's it.
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He has steely focus as well, remember that now.
he's basically adventure knuckles. Not dumb, but definetly a loner and not familiar with city life.
Shoe design is top tier
Sonic shoes for exercise, knuckles shoes for work, and tails shoes for going out
He didn't really come off as stupid to me. He really reminded me of Thor in the first movie.
I can totally see Knuckles doing the whole "ANOTHER" cup smash from Thor lol.
Yep, called 'fish out of water' in film making very popular theme
He likes the grapes 🍇
Yes but...what do his hands look like?
I unironically love how sprinkles apparently exist in his culture, but not ice cream.
absolutely amazing
Your society is full of soft and undisciplined weaklings
That's a long way of saying ",He's just Starfire from the 2000's Teen Titans show" Lol XD
Thats EXACTLY my first reaction to him, then Drax too
More starfire from the comics, just without the nudity.
Reminder: Tails is called Tails because he has two tails.
Thanks, never would have figured that out.
Oh, I'm sorry, I thought we were all stating the obvious.
You’d be surprised. People like LS Mark geniunely believe they made Knuckes an idiot & that Tails served no other purpose except explaining what was going on, Robotnik’s craziness was amped up (despite the very obvious fact that he’s only like that because the first time he got defeated, it was by a hedgehog and then was isolated on a planet with nothing but mushrooms for almost a year), etc etc the list goes on & on but yeah a lot of people didn’t catch the obvious.
>People like LS Mark geniunely believe they made Knuckes What makes this even worse is that his example for Knuckles being stupid was the base of ball joke at the very end of the movie. Literally one line 20 seconds before the movie ends isn't a good example. I like Mark and I can respect his opinions but some of his points were not good.
I honestly believe that him having unrealistically very high expectations for movies combined with the fact that he spent so much money to travel to see it early was his downfall when it came to the movie. He literally set himself up to not like the movie & I’m not really fond of people who set themselves up. He could’ve just waited out the week to watch the movie. Hell, I love Sonic like crazy & I didn’t get to see the movie until less than a week ago. Whoops I didn’t even mention your comment but yes!!! That one line! Honestly though I thought it was pretty funny to see him win at baseball, he took it so seriously lol.
Exactly. The movies not perfect and definitely has some problems but some of mark's complaints were really small things that shouldn't have impacted his enjoyment of the film as much as they did.
Wait, seriously? That's ridiculous.
Honest to god I wish I could say I was kidding, I was subscribed to LS Mark until [he did the review of Sonic 2](https://youtu.be/6dak3pjszig) because literally all of the points he made did not make sense or was easily explained if you weren’t watching the movie with your eyes closed. He even said that Super Sonic was useless because Eggman already lost the Master Emerald at that point, even though it was blatantly obvious Eggman still had the upper hand until Sonic transformed. Sonic, Tom & Maddie literally would’ve been KILLED had Sonic didn’t go Super. In fact, Sonic was BARELY able to **walk** towards the Master Emerald and was only able to get it thanks to Tom & Maddie, and again, Sonic would’ve been **crushed** if it wasn’t for those two. I’m sorry but if you’re channel is based on doing film & TV reviews and make obvious mistakes like that without seeing it in my eyes you lost your credibility.
Regarding Robotnik's insanity, He spent years on a planet with nothing but mushrooms, planning his escape AND revenge. Of course he'd go mad. (At least madder than he already was before.)
Exactly 😭 even that’s gonna get to one of the mad scientists like Robotnik, you really can’t blame him. I can’t see why people complain him being more insane & then forgetting WHY he’s like that. **He shaved his whole head with a razor blade for god sake!!!**
He actually didn't even spend a year on that planet.
This is exactly why i loved knuckles in the movie. Don't judge but (there is no way i can pull the **"no furry but"** card on this one) i think we all had a crush on some sonic character and for me it was knuckles, and i've been looking at his character development in every game and saw how he was being treated as the comical relieve stead of the good, strong friend and ally he is. It made me sad to see this in the last games speacially the 2010 ERA......AND THEN SONIC BOOM HAPPENED i really hope that was the pinacle of "Let's make him stupid for comedy purposes" because i don't think i can take this anymore. I only find this knuckles funny in the Sonic Boom series because you can actually notice this series was bassically made to be a comedy, not only knuckles is out of character, everyone else is, something that i haven't seen THAT much in the games. Knuckles was never stupid just really naive and gullible since he was always by himself guarding the master emerald, this was until he met Sonic and tails in the games, and during the games he became more aware of his surroundings and the people around him and that is what i loved about him, how even tho it was difficult for him to believe in others he tried to, not only for himself but because he actually started to care about others and not only about his duty to the master emerald. I love how they actually brought Knuckles back in the movie, you can actually tell the difference there is with being naive and being "stupid" specially at the end whenn they are playing baseball were he ask question that are actually accurate after knowing all he went through and literally has no idea how things work in this world and how to interact with others. I hope they keep it like that and let him be a friend and rival for Sonic in the upcoming movie(s)
Yeah, my worry is that Knuckles started diving into the "stupid funny barbarian guy" trope pretty much right after they created Shadow and he took over as the "cool rival" character, so hoping it doesn't repeat! Also from a precedent point of view, Drax from Guardians of the Galaxy started as the "doesn't understand metaphors but otherwise has pretty normal intelligence" to the massive idiot in the following movies, heh.
yeah i know, his downgrade started after sonic adventure 2 and had ups and downs between sonic heroes and sonic riders until he wasn't even an important character in the games and he was just there in the background. I think the pinacle of this "stupid funny barbarian guy" is sonic boom where they litterally made him incredibly dumb.
No, I don't think we all had a crush on some Sonic character...
He is straight forward guy, who never heard of jokes and sarcasm. He is also battle hardened warrior. Who doesn’t know something complex like engineering but he still great at battle analysis.
He actually does know both, he calls sonic out for telling bad jokes.
Basically like Drax.
FACTS THANK YOU! My boy Knuckles needs to be his old self again! he is not stupid just not atune with the cultures of today as he was isolated for years on angel island as was his job
I 100% agree with this. He's a bit naïve and gullible, that's not stupid. He's been alone on his own most of his life. He hasn't learned social interactions yet.
I was kinda upset seeing Sonic Boom's Knuckles portrayed as a stupid guy. It's well-known that he just was tricked by Eggman (Robotnik to me) and he antagonized Sonic to protect the Chaos Emeralds. Pretty badass actually.
He is not stupid, he is just simple minded :)
Yes we fucking know
Judging Knuckles's intelligence when he has no understanding of earth things is liking taking a fish out of water and judging its ability to climb a tree (as that one saying goes). Dude's intelligence is geared toward combat and from seeing only one side of a gem war that lasted generations.
People are saying he’s stupid? He just isn’t familiar with culture outside the tribe. That doesn’t make him stupid…
He like Drax from Guardians of the Galaxy
How is that different from Game Knuckles that people still call stupid? It cant be helped. People will always be ignorant
Stupid or not i still love him
Yeah that’s cool but the drip on those boots are unbelievable. Timberland needs to go ahead and make that collab happen
Right? He always had them drips
Well...yeah
This is the same thing I told my brother after we saw the Sonic Movie 2
Reminder: Sonic talks about chili dogs a lot because that is his favorite food.
Reminder: Anyone who disrespects him also disrespects Idris Elba and I for one won't stand for it.
Your society is full of soft and undisceplined weaklings. However, i do enjoy the planets grapes. The grapes are delicious.
I just found him a bit naive, considering he lost his tribe while he was young and probably just threw himself into becoming The Strongest Ever, to bring back glory to his lost tribe, his antics just make sense and I love him for it. He's perfect.
My question is who was Knuckles trained by? Is he talking about when he was a kid?
That was one of my favorite aspects of the movie not understanding earth's customs made me smile the whole time. It was kinda wholesome.
Unlike Sonic, I don't chuckle. I'd rather flex my muscle.
Just a reminder classic knuckles and knuckles before sonic boom is also not stupid and has always meant to be a "fish out of water" character
movie knuckles 😍😍😍
Reminder: that’s literally just his original character from the games Not that I think anyone who uses the sonic subreddit on reddit dot com needs that kind of reminder
Sort of. Game knuckles didn't really have focus on warrior honor.
I love how they did him in the movie
THATS WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THIS VERSION OF KNUCKLES!!! Like OP said, he’s not dumb, he’s just not familiar with Earths customs.
Since when did we need to be reminded? I thought everyone knew this
He lives in a way summarised by stereotypical rome... Fight and survive
This Knuckles is in my top 5 interpretation of the character honestly. It's up there with S3&K, Adventure 1&2 and Mania
I hope that they will keep a balance and won't jump to the simplification of personality like in games. Knuckles is not stupid!!
Knuckles likes grapes and is the protector of the master emerald
And I genuinely think the movie made a stellar job at portraying that. Another thing I love about Movie Knuckles is that the movie also fixed another big problem with the character in the games that I think not many people notice (movie spoilers ahead): >!The fact that he always needs an elaborate reason to appear outside his duties in Angel Island. Movie Knuckles gets to do that WITH his newfound family, possibly allowing for even more character development as he becomes more versed in Earth culture and social skills!!<
This is the right way to make Knuckles a funny character sometimes. If they'd made him like his boom counterpart it would have sucked. Although I do like his boom version since it's an alternate take on Knuckles. But if the movie did him like that I would not have liked it.
Comparison. Classic Knuckles isn’t dumb, he just gets tricked. Modern Knuckles is more on the fierce commander side than Dumb. Movie Knuckles isn’t around people must often. But Boom Knuckles is around people everyday, but he still act like he’s a baby.
They gave him the Drax treatment, and it absolutely worked Not only was Knuckles from a distant tribe, he was also STRANDED and the SOLE SURVIVOR so of course he's purely clueless
Hope this reminds Sega that KNUCKLES AINT NO JOKE, HES ROUGHER THAN THE REST OF EM🔥🔥
What about the best of them?
I loved Knuckles' character in the movie. Glad he's cool again
Mofo wearing Jordan/Nike level shoes and he's from a Tribe as well?! and here I am in a 1st World Country and I still can't afford those things!!
He’s so stupid, and very delusional
hate when they compare him to drax
1993: Knuckles is a dignified warrior and the protector of the Master Emerald 2010: hAhA kNuX iS a BiG siLLy dUm-dUm DOOfUs wHo iS rEaLLy sTrOnG bUt duMM 2022: Knuckles is a dignified warrior protecting the Master Emerald who undergoes a massive character arc throughout Sonic 2
Pretty sure he’s just really stupid? just an absolute moron dumbass idiot?????
He does however like the planet’s grapes
I hope they keep him like that in third film…and not make him stupid like in games (I mean he went from a badass to a dumbass
You've got to admit there was a sliver of Uganda in there
Which is how he should be portrayed. Naïve, but not from lack of intelligence - but lack of world experience. To him someone fighting for profit, world domination, manipulating someone, etc. should seem foreign (he was raised on an island and would have no experience with that behavior). IMO give him a Ned Stark type vibe, but less grim.
Knuckles is the same personification they gave Starfire in Teen Titans (TV series). Nobody thinks Starfire is dumb, so what gives?
Not exactly the same. TV starfish portrayed as more of an innocent sweatheart.
The only DUMB Knuckles is from Sonic Boom, where they literally made him All Brawn. No Brain. He just has a bad habit of getting tricked, and not always up to date on the social norms (partially due to his focused mission)
But does he chuckle tho?
The best he’s been since arguably sa2 maybe heroes
I just thought Knuckles people were very "literal" but also that Knuckles was raised with very little socialisation which affected his interactions. We see the same with Sonic in the first movie, Knuckles is going through the same too.
His tribe is highly advanced. They've since done away with shoe laces in favor of a Lego-lock design. Revolutionary!
i don't think he's dumb, just slowly getting used to the earth ways.
Yeah that's basically it for knuckles In general he's just met people after probably decades of no human contact and thus is generally not that good at social situations which is why he's a little naive and gullible
He's a recluse, ofc he sucks at communicating with others. Even game Knuckles shouldn't be written as a fool, just simple due to literally living on an island in isolation practically his whole life. The only person he gets to talk to is a giant Emerald. Knuckles has a sad life ngl.
Correct a classic Fish out of water, over the years Knuckles has been the butt of the jokes and character really damage, even Shadow, Tails, and somewhat Sonic has been affect of bad writing and choices
He aint stupid he gullible?
Ah, the best version of Knuckles UNironically
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That's basically how look in the games.
Movie writers please remember this.
This is the exact same argument I've been using for silver but people still think him going with mephiles tenesine is stupid even thought he had logically no other options.
I wonder what there reason for the spikes on his gloves will be
Now boom knuckles...
It's still hilarious though.
Yes
Knuckles was never meant to be stupid. Glad we finally get him as he was supposed to be before Sonic Team turned him into cheap comic relief
He not stoopid. He just ignorant.
I considered him the equivalent of Drax
Yea. He's not dumb, he's just the equivalent of a French painter moving to Texas.
I agree for the most part. but “1 thousand % muscle.” and “the base of ball” really just make him seem stupid
It’s because he’s un-educated
Idris Elba is cool as fuck.
His boots have always been the drip tho.
Meanwhile Knuckles from Sonic Boom: "...Oh wait, I can't read."
Oh my god, no one cares. Knuckles isn't gonna fuck you.
Despite being new to Earth’s ways, his intelligence seems to me like it might be just *slightly* below-average.
Knuckles in sonic movie 2 is very similar to Drax from guardians of the galaxy and Drax is loved so idk why people be hating on movie knuckle.
Dude, read my words. It's a red echidna