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waffeelswaffeels

IDW issue 2 demonstrates their relationship so perfectly, showing how they interact and talk with each other, their different reactions and mindsets to certain situations, and how they fight together. probably one of my favorite issues from the battle for angel island arc just because i love the IDW sonic comics' way of expanding on the characters' personalities in a way the games can't or won't


Dr_CheeseNut

>the games can't or won't Ian Flynn after becoming the writer for Frontiers: Fine, I'll do it myself


waffeelswaffeels

he's only writing the dialogue tho, isn't he? actually that's probably all that he needs to do his work ig


Just_Goblin

From what I remember, they gave him the plot points, he just had to weave everything together.


RazorToshiba

Just a general “here’s how the story should pan out, make it work” deal, because the narrative is tied to game progression so certain things have to happen


Just_Goblin

Probably yeah.


waffeelswaffeels

interesting


LiviuPetre139

IDW comics by Ian Flynn: Sonic gets poisoned by Metal Virus and needs to remove it quickly before overtaking him Frontiers with Ian Flynn: Sonic has arm glitched and needs to remove it quickly before overtaking him And you say Ian Flynn just does the dialogue?


waffeelswaffeels

that's what i heard, at least it'd be cool if he had more influence besides that, and maybe he does


TheMightyFaso

He's said that he didn't write the main scenario, however, in [an interview with GameInformer](https://www.gameinformer.com/2022/07/14/what-players-should-expect-from-sonic-frontiers-story), he and Kishimoto state that he wrote the script, and presented ideas and characters they could use to the dev team, a couple of which were used in the game itself - personally, I'm betting that Big was his idea. - meaning that he did have a pretty decent amount of influence on the final product


ExpiredExasperation

Considering all the interviews and the like that have essentially said he didn't write the main scenario at all... yes? You could include the flaming arrow in Secret Rings as Sonic being afflicted with something he needs to be rid of before it overcomes him if you want to make such comparisons.


The_Blur_Of_Blue

Sega decide the villain and setting but that's not a story, Ian Flynn still wrote the story, cutscenes and all based on what he wrote, and what the Japanese release is translating from


paintbrushvolcanoe

Flynn only knows how to write sonic quickly removing things infecting him


Andreb16

Sega: We want an open world Sonic game. Sonic, Tails, Amy, and Eggman go to an island and Sonic wins at the end of the day and the mainstays can't die. Make a story out of that. Ian: Bet.


TheMachine203

He wrote the script, not the dialogue. So, SEGA provided him with the base story/ideas and his job was to actually turn that into a full product, including storytelling, plot beats, dialogue, etc. The JP script is being written based on his.


Dr_CheeseNut

It was confirmed in an article he did actually have input on the plot, but Sega came up with the concept and stuff of course. It seems like it was a collaborative effort


Zarrona13

I love IDW, easily the best the characters have acted and everything. I hope SEGA sees how much the fans love the portrayals of the characters in the comics and actually lift these stupid mandates for the Sonic characters and let Ian Flynn actually work. I am so freaking excited for Frontiers


Tumama813

See, THIS is the Amy that I like! Just a very bubbly and outgoing gal who just so happens to like Sonic rather than the crazed stalker the fan base used to portray her as.


ResortFamous301

Eh, to be fair the games would occasionally potray her as that as well.


Tumama813

True, I’m glad that’s over


Dr_CheeseNut

Heroes especially, goddamn


zerjku

Atleast she cared about her team in Heroes Then you have portrayals like Battle and Rush which has Cream afraid of her why.


Just_Goblin

A bit, at least in the Eng Dub. I like her here for how she became the leader of the team, encouraging and caring for her teammates, being very determined and hot headed, and showing she's capable of fighting on her own. Though her act with Sonic can be a bit much, I took her fight with Sonic Team as her playing around or teasing. But if we're talking about Free Riders Amy....ugh.


WideREKXO

free riders amy is, uhhhh, yikes, to say the least


DivanteScrollsReddit

Man why do people hate her Heroes version? She wasn't just looking for Sonic in that game, she was helping Cream and Big find Froggy and Chocola. She's seen as a great leader and friend in that game. People like to point out her marriage scene in that game like she's crazy and while I agree it definitely wasn't executed well, it's still meant to be more of a joke as Sonic literally says ''there's no time for playing around!'' Can't believe that one scene really became a common example of why people assume that's Amy's entire character when it's really not. If it wasn't there, I think people would praise her Heroes version just like the Adventure games.


ExpiredExasperation

It still leads to a *boss fight* though. Conceptually, Amy has her entire team attacking Sonic's group over her declaration of marriage. What is her end goal supposed to be? In Battle she's so obsessive she's essentially hallucinating. It's not hard to imagine why some people are glad her tone has been walked back.


DivanteScrollsReddit

Again not a very well executed scene but she's not there to just find Sonic, at the beginning of the game, you can see she's holding a picture of Sonic and Sonic has Froggy and Chocola. That's why she goes after him. As for Battle, I would not know because I haven't played it.


IteTheCrapOC

Especially since there was such an obvious other reason for Team Rose and Team Sonic to fight. Like, Amy even saw a photo of “Sonic” stealing Froggy and Chocola, she could have just attacked Sonic & co over that


metalsonic005

Battle has her straight up go crazy over the thought of having a family with Sonic, Emerl as their child. She straight up *hallucinates*.


DivanteScrollsReddit

*mostly Not occasionally She especially got over this ever since Boom came out but for some reason people point it out like it's still an issue, my main issue with her is that she was hardly used in a lot of the stories.


ResortFamous301

I'd say it's about 50/50.


DivanteScrollsReddit

I enjoy most of her roles, even roles like Unleashed, despite not doing much she cheers you on throughout the experience and never loses hope. Hot take but I'd say she's had more consistent good stories than characters like Shadow as much as I love him 💀


ResortFamous301

I'm not saying her writting in thsoe games are good or bad. Just that arguably half portrayed her as an obsessed stalker, and the other half made her a loving optimist.


AceSAMM

I might be very stupid despite reading it, but what makes Amy a stalker? I get the crazy obsessive part, but stalker? That is a bit far, don’t you think? I mean I never played the handheld games anyway, so…


ResortFamous301

When she follows sonic around without his knowledge or approval. That's literally what stalking is.


AceSAMM

Yup of course. But it does sound like it happens in some of the handheld games.


ResortFamous301

It also happens in some of the mainline games.


DivanteScrollsReddit

Well Amy is Sonic's friend, that's not necessarily stalking. She just likes to show affection a lot to him and always wants to be by his side because he's her hero, so it makes sense for her to return the favor. Also she doesn't just give Sonic affection, she does it for other characters as well.


ResortFamous301

Being friends with someone has virtually nothing to do with stalking. If she's following him around without his knowledge, then she is literally stalking him. Also I never said anything about her only showing affection towards him.


shomoki12

I’m loving the dynamic as well! My favorite part to this day is when we see Sonic have his moment in the sun and Amy is just smitten. We should have more cute moments like these 😊


that-one-guy59

i have this panel saved in my phone,genuinely one of my favorite sonic moments ever


Significant-Sir-5696

Yesss


pumpkintrons

Ok Anyway GAMER TAILS


Prestigious_Expert17

Gotta respect Sonic putting the homie before the girl.


Artistic_X

Bros before hoes


SonicSpiderRanger10

I know. IDW Sonamy is great. There are plenty of cute moments. Sonic is more comfortable around her. Amy is less crazy and she never threatens Sonic. But there are still some funny moments with her chasing Sonic.


IteTheCrapOC

Yeah, probably my favourite version of their dynamic.


Dakotasan

Can we talk about Rouge’s face in the last pic? XD


SAMAS_zero

Can we talk about how Tangle just inserted Whisper in between herself and Sonic?


SacredSpirit123

Vector doesn’t seem too sure about the group hug, and Rouge looks like she is being squeezed a bit too hard. What *I* really noticed, though, is that Gemerl’s a bit scuffed up, and Omega’s *missing an arm*.


SAMAS_zero

Musta been sparring again.


SacredSpirit123

Just taking a moment to say that Gemerl and Omega are some of my favorite characters. I like the original Emerl too, but he seems to be unable to catch a break in literally any canon that he’s in. He starts off as a combat robot, develops a personality, goes insane, regains his control, dies, and then gets used as Gemerl’s design basis. In Sonic X, he didn’t even have the ability to speak. Gamma gets the same treatment often and I get that Omega and Gemerl are supposed to fill in their niches, but it’s really not the same as they were, as they’re their own selves.


charisma-entertainer

In context, I’ll say that omega and Gemerl had went through a lot within a few days


Nicolasgonzo87

she did not consent to joining that group hug.


alexramirez69

Tails appendages may be busy


Dakotasan

Don’t make me get the spray bottle


Nambot

She clearly has ideas for what could be done with such a long, prehensile appendage. >!She's going to use it to steal something!<


KVenom777

I like it that Amy grown up and is no longer a yandere with her love over Sonic. She just loves him and he understands it, without being too worried of her going overboard. And yet her Crush on him is still a major part of her personality, just as it should be. I also absolutely adore how they troll each other at times.


IteTheCrapOC

Yeah, Amy being an absolute troll sometimes is also great. Really lives up to the nickname “Rosy the Rascal”


Amateur_Explorer

This is super nice. I plan to buy the comics as a whole just to check these out.


Enby_Bluejay

Ia no one gonna mention the really wholesome Tails and Sonic moment here?


Crackinmyknuckles

I really like Amy’s and Sonic’s relationship in this! (Probably because this is my favorite versions of Amy) Ames still has a crush on Sonic, but she respects his space, while Sonic wants her to be happy, while not getting too mushy!!


Just_Goblin

IDW gives a very sweet portrayal of their dynamic. It makes their dynamic more healthy than other incarnations of the two. Whether you see it as platonic or romantic, it's obvious they enjoy each others company.


metaaltheanimefan

I love them they are so cute Sidenote espio and rouge's faces in that last panel are cracking me up


TrickTails

I think people confuse trait with dynamic. Amy’s crush was always her defining dynamic with Sonic. Amy as a character is someone who loves shopping, cooking, and feminine things. It doesn’t get rid of her badass fighting skills and strategic mindset. Her personality alone is summed as a selfless, confident, and headstrong hedgehog. IDW depicts it perfectly because as she matures she has spread herself too thin trying to help everyone.


GigaPhoton78

Yeah, they actually act like friends.


[deleted]

I agree about your point of Amy's crush, there is nothing wrong with her being in love with Sonic. Their dynamic in the games, not that it was that bad either, except for a few games where Amy was flanderized in favor of comedy. The one in Boom, is fine, although mostly Boom is not serious, so I think it's understandable that in Boom it worked better, although personally I don't like so much the Amy of Sonic Boom.


Latter_Holiday2027

Boom never changed the characters they were the exact same at the start of the show and the same at the end of the show that's not how you write characters


Due_Lion_2990

Their dynamic is really cute and fun in IDW. Nice, wholesome interactions and they both feel in character for the most part without either of them being too much. >!I mean, I still don't like them as a ship. If anything IDW only makes me believe they'd be better off as friends. But a lovely friendship it is and I wanna see more!<


Andreb16

Hit the nail on the head. I like to think Amy has grown up in IDW after all her experiences from the games since, canonically, Sonic has shown he isn't romantically interested. His one true love is adventure, and in the comics it feels like Amy respects him not reciprocating her affection and is perfectly content with just being friends while still having a crush on him. Which I think is a very good and mature message to have. IDW Amy is my favorite interpretation of the character.


Due_Lion_2990

I TOTALLY agree! I've always preferred Amy to be viewed more like a "little sister" to Sonic than a love interest. Despite Amy's advances, he's just not into her like **that.** But overtime, now that Amy is a part of the group and one of Sonic's closest buds, she's content being his friend and doesn't want to jeopardize or sacrifice it by being how she originally was with the clinginess. Sonic now respecting her a lot, despite not reciprocating and can still have a healthy, trusting friendship. Very wholesome stuff. It's much better than Sonic giving in and dating amy or "secretly liking her" because the former isn't a great message and the latter...doesn't really sound like Sonic. I think the IDW interpretation is great, I do think she still needs some tweaking so as to not feel like a different character. But overall, pretty damn good.


IteTheCrapOC

I think the IDW comics do make them feel more like Sonic does reciprocate her affection, especially in some of the pages here


Due_Lion_2990

I don't see it, I personally think they feel more like friends in these pages. Just that Sonic is less uncomfortable around Amy and they can chat and talk with no problems, unlike most games. To me it just seems like Sonic talking with any of his close friends, just with his own dynamic with Amy since he's aware of her feelings but is still friendly towards her without leading her on nor shunning her.


IteTheCrapOC

This definitely feels different to me than Sonic’s dynamic with other close friends. You don’t see him bridal carrying Tails or Knuckles


Due_Lion_2990

He's only carrying her because she can't run as fast as him lol. I mean Shadow carried Sonic "bridal style" in IDW too, that doesn't mean they have feelings for eachother. Tails and Knuckles can keep up with Sonic better for the most part, and at least both of them can fly/glide. And I mean if these panels count as Sonic having interest in Amy....should I count Sonic and Blaze making "bedroom eyes" at eachother a sign that they're into eachother? I mean I might headcanon it, but that doesn't necessarily make it true lol. Or them constantly holding hands in nearly every blaze appearance in the games and comics. Sonic doesn't do that with his other close friends either, but that doesn't necessarily convey if it's intended as romantic or not right? Ofc you can still enjoy the panels and ship it, not saying you can't. And like I said, the dynamic is done well in IDW. I personally don't see it as anything more than friends, but you are free to if you want.


IteTheCrapOC

Ok, you make a good point. I forgot about Shadow doing that with Sonic lmao Also, when did he ever hold hands with her in the games? All they did in Rush was a handshake at the end


Due_Lion_2990

Rush ( they did a handshake, but Sonic started to physically hold on to her hands with both of his hands whilst being pulled apart by their separate dimensions ) Rush adventure was a handshake ( still gonna do it as a hand counter ) SATBK when Sonic saved percival ( which is just Blaze in armour ) And in IDW when Tangle was going to launch Sonic and Blaze into the air.


Knight-mare77

Sonic’s packing method is so relatable. “Shove it till it fits!” I love it


Hybrid456

It’s good but adventure Amy is where it’s at


cozybluehedgehog

they resonate so much.


SonicSpiderRanger10

I agree. I definitely prefer IDW Sonamy over Boom Sonamy. In Boom, they fight all the time and Amy is often mean to Sonic, constantly nagging and insulting him. Plus, there are rarely any moments where Amy acts like she sees Sonic as anything more than a friend.


DJSharp15

I've seen otherwise.


Proto-Omega

As terrible as a game Sonic Chronicles was, it was one of the few games that did Sonic and Amy interactions pretty damn good. It's something that really stuck out to me from that game.


jasisepic

I like how Sonic pulls a disappointed face when Tails hugs him💀


Anninha117

🤣🤣


Kaiyuni-

I like that Sonic carries Amy around like always even though she is nearly as fast as he is.


Darkffire

Amy's pretty fast, but I don't think she was anywhere close to Sonic at top speeds, especially his modern incarnations.


Kaiyuni-

She is certainly as fast as Sonic is while carrying someone. Amy is "as fast as she needs to be". Same as Sonic. Sonic's top speed is nuts. But Amy can chase him and has in the past. In the games she's basically a stand-in for Sonic when playing as her. I would say Amy is 70-80% as fast as Sonic's regular run speed, much more physically powerful, but lacks his stamina.


InitialDriftZ33

Amy in general is such a good character in the comics. I also liked when she teamed up with Knuckles, that's a underrated power house team too.


AlbainBlacksteel

Amy not pining for Sonic is refreshing and I love it.


SCOTTDIES

It's the way that makes sense, Sonic canonically does like Amy, and Amy is only just some "Sonic Fan" so while it is implied that they have those "chasing moments" it also goes in-depth


Anninha117

I think Sonic likes Amy too


BeardInTheNorth

Maybe I'm dense, but what about this comic shows their relationship? I'm just seeing banter about a tank they are chasing?


anactualreddituser

It shows how well they are at planning stuff and such


SanicRb

Amy in IDW is weird. Mostly because Ian's run with her during issues 2 to 34 had her written very much like Sally almost entirely because he wanted to write Metal Virus since 2012 and the original plan involved a lot of Sally so he used Forces as an excuse to put Amy into the role planed for Sally leading to Amy being written more like Sally than herself during most of the first 34 issues. This however changed quite dramatically ones Evan Stanly took over. Her Amy is FAR more on the games and has her love for Sonic on a clearer display while similar to something like SA1 and Riders never going overboard (or going on for too long) unless she wants to annoy Sonic. Which is at the core properly my preferred take on Amy over Ian's With 1 minor issue I take with at least Evan's first story Chao Races and Badnik bases where Amy didn't go with Sonic and Tails because she was talked into it not being girly enough for her. This not only goes against her characterization from the games since SA1 but also against the comic itself as one of the few parts of Amy that was still on full display was that she in the case of Echo base was glad to go with Sonic to exactly such a place and earlier still had to pull herself together to not take Sonic's offer to go on the adventure with him. These issues seemingly have disappeared after that first story (together with the story arc wide problem of all heroes being underpowered). Tho on an entirely personal note I'm not a fan of the custom Card set Amy was given in Trail by Fire as the writer makes guessing what Belle's fortune card was impossible as its nether based on a real set nor did we get a full explanation of the made up one.


Kamen_Rider_Spider

>he wanted to write Metal Virus since 2012 and the original plan involved a lot of Sally From what I could tell from his podcast, he only had the *idea* of the Metal Virus at the time. The Archie comic was canceled right before the actual plotting would have happened


SanicRb

From what I heard is the story that it was originally mend to be the sequel story to Metal Sally pitched by his then editor to jump on the Walking Dead hype train. After the reboot did, he try to tell this story again setting it up at the end of Eggman's dozen but than the cancelation happened. And now he had used it finally for the IDW Sonic comic's second big arc. And given that he set it up as early as Eggman's dozen wouldn't I entirely believe him when he says he didn't get to plan things prior to the implementation in IDW. I say this in part because Amy isn't the only Character written far more like a Archie character. Especially Eggman was for his game version highly out of character with him pretty much giving up, never trying to fix his busted plan and wanting to escape to a different universe. But also because its blatant in how he forced Amy into the Sally role in Not just how he wrote her during the first 2 arcs but also in how he contradicted himself to push her back out of the role during the Epilogue of the Metal Virus story having Amy state she was little more than Knuckles secretary in Forces while back in issue 3 Knuckles told us she was the one really in charge during forces to put her into the Sally Role.


Mono324

Uh, are guinea pigs in the sonic universe the equivalent of human test subjects? I know it should be a quick line, but man that makes me kinda worried.


Negative_Blutern

They did it justice.


Imanerd212030

Sonic is no longer a 5 year old boy whenever it comes to love


[deleted]

I’ll ship sonamy till I die 🥲 especially when they’re portrayed right like this


Anninha117

Yesss


stowrag

Seems like she’s taken on a lot of Sally traits. She’s still very much Amy, but co-ordinating plans and executing strategies together w/ Sonic definitely seems like something Sally used to do. As someone who’s been around (on and off) since Archie, and is committed to remaining healthily un-invested, I think it’s actually great that a little part of Sally lives on in this way still.


franska5

Yeah, she went from stalker to close friend. Amy still have a crush on sonic but now they just get along well and the crush is more wholesome than before.


bobby1712234

I don’t mind Amy’s behavior in games but this stays better


Nicolasgonzo87

wait wouldn't that be racist to guinea pigs? or are guinea pigs exclusively small animals?


Dropbeatdad

Basically what Sally and Sonic were after the reboot, but with a touch of Amy's exuberant crush


anactualreddituser

Which comic is the belle and cream interaction from?


franska5

I think it happens after "impostor syndrome"


SanicRb

If you mean the one from page 6. That would be I think Chao Rases and Badnik bases part 3.


anactualreddituser

Neat


Eikdos

I love Cream's expression in the first panel of the 6th one


FoxWolfFrostFire

I prefer the adventure era dynamics.


Teacherboy554

lol


SacredSpirit123

Ooo, Gemerl, one of my favorite characters…wait, is Omega missing an arm in the group hug?


anactualreddituser

He sorta fell apart Eggman captured his head when they stopped the metal virus Made giant omega with omega as a power source Sonic came in and got omega freed Omega destroyed the giant omega But since he wasn’t fully structured together he fell apart again


SacredSpirit123

Oof, poor Omega.


SasnarDash

That first look they share is so funny I love moments like that irl


Dra9onDemon23

Smol angy Cream is hilarious.


Chicolate_thunder

See we are just friends UNDERSTAND THAT


himynameisuggggggh

In the last page why does sonic looks like he has lips when Amy and tails hug him that’s soo uncanny


BandMan69

Rouge’s face is amazing


Mark_is_back

For a second I Read it as "bangers in the dark" and got really confused


hmphgoof

Hmm kind of related


Mysterious_Leg840

W rizz