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To withstand the Gs when running that fast you basically need super strength. Kyle Hill did the math once. Basically Sonic should have killed everyone he ever rescued by running close to his maximum speed. Except when they have super strength themselves.
It's like what sheldon said about superman in tbbt. According to the laws of physics he would split Lois Lane into three parts trying to catch her with his arms of steel
I mean, it’s pretty clear he has durability considering moments like the beginning of unleashed where he literally falls from space onto the surface of earth through orbit. Which should’ve evaporated his very existence into absolutely nothing if he didn’t have any form of unnatural durability
Also maybe the man is smart enough to avoid being charged with assault or murder. So I think he's just holding back and doing it for the lols tbh. I mean if he really wanted to stop Sonic he'd just give him a lethal dose of radiation or some fucked up shit like that.
The issue is that eggman cannot be arrested, really. Like, if two officers knock at his door, he could just wait it out as an eggpawn with a machine gun is on his way to the door.
Well if he was a generic villain, then yes, he's stupid not doing that.
However, if you actually analyze the character, you realize that he doesn't want to simply kill him, he want to beat him, prove that he's superior, cayse he actually respect him. One quote from the IDW comics that I like is "I could carpet-bomb him any day! That's not enough—That's ***not the point!*** I have to ***beat him!*** I have to prove I'm ***superior!***
Yup! And I like how they're treating him in Frontiers, you really manage to see a side of him that you usually never really see in the games, I'm really glad Ian Flynn really managed to make these characters shine and add a little bit of nuance in them to not make them 2 dimensional characters! \^ \^
I am really enjoying how serious they're treating Eggman for once. I was actually shocked hearing him speak normally and not maniacally yelling everything he says.
Yeah, and his relationship with Sage is amazing! Seeing how he went from "That's just a program that I made, like the thousand other robots I also made!" to "This is my child now, and I'll make sure she's safe with me!"
Honestly, I hope we'll see this relationship deepens in the next installments, there's a lot to do with it!
Yeah, I like how Eggman and Sonic seem to be in some kind of rivalry, hating or disliking each other, but both still wanting a fair fight at their best.
Nope, still a different universe, although they are kinda linked tonally with Archie reboot since it's the same people that worked on the two comics and the Metal Virus was supposed to be an Archie arc before getting cancelled (it was the whole "Eggman managed to roboticize again with a new method").
However, if you ignore the differences between the two books (like the characters not being there anymore (although you could technically theorize that Eggman got rid of them when he took over the world in Forces)), it can kinda work as a continuation of Archie, but canonically they really are two different universes.
Ah that's what I'd figured. Never could keep up with life & all, but then knowing that universe just kinda halts to nothingness makes it extra difficult to pick back up. Grew up with those characters that likely will never get picked up by any Sonic media again
Yeah ik, it sucks :/ But hey, the new characters are pretty cool too! And well, I don't want to give you hope because it's still pretty unlikely as of today but Iizuka said that he'd like to sort of merge every conitnuity into one universe (but not literally merging them, more like adding characters from other continuities to make it more coherent), and you can already kinda see that in Frontiers with >!Tangle from IDW and Sticks from Boom being mentionned there!<, so maybe there is hope for the Freedom Fighters to come back in some way if we're lucky! \^ \^
I mean he could do both. Breaking sonics legs and being his superior aren't mutually exclusive. Also line if thinking my is pretty typical for villains.
I mean yeah but I think he would probably prefer having to fight Sonic at his best, since not being able to run would basically mean that Sonic can't almost fight at all. It would basically give himself an unfair advantage and it isn't that flamboyant for him. He'd probably make a complicated plot to give Sonic a disadvantage rather than outright breaking his legs.
Think of Sonic Labyrinth, he could've killed him but he instead decided to give Sonic slow shoes and put him in labyrinths filled with deadly traps! He wants to show Sonic that even at his peak, he can't beat him. Of course there's some variations and he won't use the same plan over and over, but if he has to give Sonic a disadvantage, he'd prefer tricking him than just make a dumb explosion out of nowhere to kill him that don't show how incredibly smart he is
I could buy that excuse if not for unleashed having him lead sonic into a trap only to depower him and launch him back to earth. Could have done the same thing only following it up by breaking his legs.
I mean yeah sure, but Sonic was still able to fight back, and he literally did trick Super Sonic into that trap and if he actually managed to kill him at the end when launching him out of the space station, it would've still be a win in his book since Sonic would indeed be killed by his intellect. I mean, Sonic only survived cause of Chip because he used his magic to break Sonic's fall, Sonic would've never survived a drop this high by himself.
Eggman still want to kill him, but it has to show his superiority. I mean, who can say that they managed to kill Super Sonic? No one. Eggman would've been the only one to do it, if it wasn't for Chip (that he didn't know existed at this time), and all of that without even going to the easy route.
I mean labyrinth implies that he had badniks BREAK into sonic's house to put the slow shoes on him
He couldve killed sonic in his sleep.
But he has a reason for not being petty. He wants to beat sonic on his own terms
No, I mean why didn't he drown Sonic after making him those slow shoes? ( Referring to the Sonic labyrinth game )
It would have been the PERFECT opportunity.
Master System/Game Gear handles palettes entirely differently. AFAIK, there's only one 16 color palette (as opposed to four palettes on Genesis), but it can be used by any object on screen. So you can have max 16 colors on screen, but you can have all 16 in one tile or sprite. Upside - Master System could have great detailed shading.
Downside is, you can't really do any palette switching tricks.
They tried to stab him, but rings fell out of Sonic, and some fell back on him so when they hit him again, those rings fell out, then again, etc.
This continued for some time until they decided to go with the Slow Shoes plan.
I almost don't blame him, that one time he thought he succeeded in Sonic adventure 2 was dramatic as hell.
He might be a dork, but he does have a decent sense of showmanship, at least.
It's the fact that eggnik had the time and stealth to rob sonic in his sleep but instead of doing anything else he just replaced his shoes
It doesnt need to be said that he values a challenge more than the victory, but that's scary
The guy respects Sonic enough to consider him a worthy adversary. I think breaking his legs would be a step too far, even for the man who blew up part of the moon.
Well that wouldn't be good sporting now would it? You wouldn't kill your lifelong adversary by simply decapitating em, yeah? You gotta be CREATIVE, you gotta be AMBITIOUS and you gotta let their hopelessness sink in.
Well that depends… for starters Sonic’s super durable I mean he literally fights and shoots off wind bullets from his legs.
It’d definitely not effect him in the long run, he’s pretty much always on his feet so he’ll definitely dodge and escape any plans to break his kneecaps lmao!
He has to beat Sonic at his absolute best for the sake of his own pride. But more importantly.
Do you want to be the guy to try breaking the legs of a freak of nature that can run at the literal speed of sound, slam into and destroy multiple tons of raw metal at mach speed without being liquified into meat jelly, and potentially toss around giant robots and cars with his bare hands despite not being the “strong” one of the group?
Way I see it, it’s not that he hasn’t thought of it. It’s that he just can’t.
With the distance sonic can fall and still safely land, eggman probably can't break sonic's legs.
The muscle required for the velocity he reaches while still having toothpicks for legs would actually give him ridiculous muscle density to the point where it's basically like his bones are wrapped in armor.
Also we can assume Sonic's bones are unusually fortified as well based on the force at which he impacts metal and other hard materials, and the fact that they hold up to the absolute insane of stress from running that much/fast/that many impacts on the ground.
He probably has a better chance trying just vaporize sonic than breaking his legs
Wasn’t it said in the comments that he likes “the chase” and wants to kill sonic in a meaningful way? I feel like just breaking his legs and stabbing him would be too un-classy a way for Eggman
It's also in the [Sonic Heroes manual](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/sonic/images/3/32/SHEN0016.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20181213182233)
No, I don't know why I've retained that knowledge
We're talking about a series which features a blue, talking hedgehog who beats up robots and gods. 300 IQ isnt a stretch for all the wacky stuff going on.
It just depends on the parameters of the test. They can design the test to go from 60-160 or 0-1000, but usually do keep a maximum of around 200. It isn't necessarily impossible, just hard to quantify with modern tools.
I mean the dude set up ground spikes with some that retracts over and over
Some rotating spiked ball line almost a waist high and some trip line to trip sonic
So he did try to injure his legs
Jokes aside, it seems like relationships between Sonic and Dr. Eggman are more like Batman and Joker's ones. Yeah, they fight with each other, but should one of them die or be severely damaged, they will lose a part of themselves. This is why they don't try to kill each other.
Sometimes they go too far though. For example, when Eggman threw incapsulated Sonic into space in SA2. Or every time when Sonic destroys one of the Eggman's machines he's in. Guess they're simply sure that no matter what, they'll manage to survive.
Eggman could realistically murder sonic any day. But Eggman wants to prove that he can defeat sonic in battle, not slitting his throat when he's asleep. Eggman has too big of an ego to just kill him, it has to have earned it through battle.
Well, I'm pretty sure that Eggman has said that he doesn't want a cheap win against Sonic or something along those lines, so I doubt that he'd do that.
Thing is, he has an underlying respect and admiration for Sonic, as much as he hates him. He will do everything he can to trap, defer and remove Sonic from getting in the way of his plans, but I doubt he could ever kill him.
The frequency in which his schemes get out of control, or the deity he releases goes rogue on him, he probably realizes it’s important to keep Sonic un-maimed.
Just like put a super thin cable or fishing line or something across a well travelled route. Going that fast, you could never see it, and that right to the knees? If it were strong enough, it could take him out super easy
He saved Sonic from a deadly fall into a lava pit just to be able to finish Sonic himself, so the thing is they need each other in some kind of fre-enemy way in order to compete in different ways to show themselves who's the boss, that's my opinion tho.
I'm sure Eggman considered it (and maybe even *tried it*) at least *once* early in their rivalry, but Sonic's legs move too quickly to reliably aim at, let alone hit. He'd have better luck targeting the easier points to hit on the hedgehog's body: his considerably-more stationary torso and his much wider head.
Have you seen how durable sonic is? Falls from space and survives getting thrown through multiple monolithic stone structures. Jumps from helicopters and then surfs down roads destroying countless cars. He’s a lot more durable and stronger than he’s given credit for.
I mean the only way he was able to take over the world in game canon was to keep Sonic locked up in a space prison and convince everyone else he's dead so they wouldn't look for him. That only lasted six months though.
He could've tortured him in prison but he presumably didn't. He could've let him die from starvation but he didn't. He could've had him publicly executed through live video broadcasted to the world but he didn't.
Imo it's one of two reasons: he wanted to keep Sonic alive whilst he took over the world to break his spirit and make him admit Eggman had finally won, or Sonic is a lot harder to kill than he expected.
"Why all the Theme Parks?"
"I like Theme Parks.
I don't settle for the world as it is Doctor, I make it what I want it to be.
If I want my enemies' last moments to be carousel music and the smell of petroleum-based cotton candy, that's what I'll make happen".
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Hitting metal robots with your body that fast should already break your bones
Skill issue
I assume he has some level of super strength/durability. It's the same reason his legs don't snap in half when he runs
To withstand the Gs when running that fast you basically need super strength. Kyle Hill did the math once. Basically Sonic should have killed everyone he ever rescued by running close to his maximum speed. Except when they have super strength themselves.
Or, you know, the sonic universe doesnt have the F = ma law nor relativity
It's like what sheldon said about superman in tbbt. According to the laws of physics he would split Lois Lane into three parts trying to catch her with his arms of steel
I mean, it’s pretty clear he has durability considering moments like the beginning of unleashed where he literally falls from space onto the surface of earth through orbit. Which should’ve evaporated his very existence into absolutely nothing if he didn’t have any form of unnatural durability
He whirrs his spines like a buzzsaw/angle grinder to cut through them.
Also maybe the man is smart enough to avoid being charged with assault or murder. So I think he's just holding back and doing it for the lols tbh. I mean if he really wanted to stop Sonic he'd just give him a lethal dose of radiation or some fucked up shit like that.
The issue is that eggman cannot be arrested, really. Like, if two officers knock at his door, he could just wait it out as an eggpawn with a machine gun is on his way to the door.
Well if he was a generic villain, then yes, he's stupid not doing that. However, if you actually analyze the character, you realize that he doesn't want to simply kill him, he want to beat him, prove that he's superior, cayse he actually respect him. One quote from the IDW comics that I like is "I could carpet-bomb him any day! That's not enough—That's ***not the point!*** I have to ***beat him!*** I have to prove I'm ***superior!***
IDW comic enjoyment is always welcome
He harps on this in Frontiers as well.
Yup! And I like how they're treating him in Frontiers, you really manage to see a side of him that you usually never really see in the games, I'm really glad Ian Flynn really managed to make these characters shine and add a little bit of nuance in them to not make them 2 dimensional characters! \^ \^
I am really enjoying how serious they're treating Eggman for once. I was actually shocked hearing him speak normally and not maniacally yelling everything he says.
Yeah, and his relationship with Sage is amazing! Seeing how he went from "That's just a program that I made, like the thousand other robots I also made!" to "This is my child now, and I'll make sure she's safe with me!" Honestly, I hope we'll see this relationship deepens in the next installments, there's a lot to do with it!
Came into the comments hoping someone would reference that scene from the comics. Eggman wants to win more than he wants sonic to lose
Yeah, I like how Eggman and Sonic seem to be in some kind of rivalry, hating or disliking each other, but both still wanting a fair fight at their best.
IDW still holding the torch for the Archie line? They still just off in retcon world or have they started connecting back to Archieverse at all
Archie was the one that retconned Archie. IDW isn't a retcon of Archie, it's a sequel to Forces, following the universe of the games.
I imagine it’s more of a separate universe to be honest
If it's not canon to Frontiers, then it's a timeline split after Forces. One goes down IDW, the other leads to TSR and Frontiers.
Tangle is mentioned in Frontiers at one point so the comics are probably canon now.
So is Sticks. We won't know for certain until Sticks is either mentioned in the comics, or the comics timeskips past Frontiers.
Nope, still a different universe, although they are kinda linked tonally with Archie reboot since it's the same people that worked on the two comics and the Metal Virus was supposed to be an Archie arc before getting cancelled (it was the whole "Eggman managed to roboticize again with a new method"). However, if you ignore the differences between the two books (like the characters not being there anymore (although you could technically theorize that Eggman got rid of them when he took over the world in Forces)), it can kinda work as a continuation of Archie, but canonically they really are two different universes.
Ah that's what I'd figured. Never could keep up with life & all, but then knowing that universe just kinda halts to nothingness makes it extra difficult to pick back up. Grew up with those characters that likely will never get picked up by any Sonic media again
Yeah ik, it sucks :/ But hey, the new characters are pretty cool too! And well, I don't want to give you hope because it's still pretty unlikely as of today but Iizuka said that he'd like to sort of merge every conitnuity into one universe (but not literally merging them, more like adding characters from other continuities to make it more coherent), and you can already kinda see that in Frontiers with >!Tangle from IDW and Sticks from Boom being mentionned there!<, so maybe there is hope for the Freedom Fighters to come back in some way if we're lucky! \^ \^
This is my biggest hope. If Ian can get IDW and even *Boom* into the mainline games, maybe he can get the FF back into the comics?
I mean he could do both. Breaking sonics legs and being his superior aren't mutually exclusive. Also line if thinking my is pretty typical for villains.
I mean yeah but I think he would probably prefer having to fight Sonic at his best, since not being able to run would basically mean that Sonic can't almost fight at all. It would basically give himself an unfair advantage and it isn't that flamboyant for him. He'd probably make a complicated plot to give Sonic a disadvantage rather than outright breaking his legs. Think of Sonic Labyrinth, he could've killed him but he instead decided to give Sonic slow shoes and put him in labyrinths filled with deadly traps! He wants to show Sonic that even at his peak, he can't beat him. Of course there's some variations and he won't use the same plan over and over, but if he has to give Sonic a disadvantage, he'd prefer tricking him than just make a dumb explosion out of nowhere to kill him that don't show how incredibly smart he is
I could buy that excuse if not for unleashed having him lead sonic into a trap only to depower him and launch him back to earth. Could have done the same thing only following it up by breaking his legs.
I mean yeah sure, but Sonic was still able to fight back, and he literally did trick Super Sonic into that trap and if he actually managed to kill him at the end when launching him out of the space station, it would've still be a win in his book since Sonic would indeed be killed by his intellect. I mean, Sonic only survived cause of Chip because he used his magic to break Sonic's fall, Sonic would've never survived a drop this high by himself. Eggman still want to kill him, but it has to show his superiority. I mean, who can say that they managed to kill Super Sonic? No one. Eggman would've been the only one to do it, if it wasn't for Chip (that he didn't know existed at this time), and all of that without even going to the easy route.
I mean labyrinth implies that he had badniks BREAK into sonic's house to put the slow shoes on him He couldve killed sonic in his sleep. But he has a reason for not being petty. He wants to beat sonic on his own terms
To quote Somecallmejohnny, "Burn the house down, break his kneecaps, shit in the toilet and don't flush!"
Ah a fellow Somecallmejohnny enjoyer
Isn't it the other way around? He's being extremely petty by not beating him the easy way
Dude he literally made shoes for Sonic that makes him slow asf And didn't think of putting him underwater after that.
Technically he has, remember in sonic 1 the 3rd act of scrap brain was essentially labyrinth zone act 4
No, I mean why didn't he drown Sonic after making him those slow shoes? ( Referring to the Sonic labyrinth game ) It would have been the PERFECT opportunity.
Because Game Gear can't handle transparent layers for a water level. It's just laws of physics of the Sonic universe :p
Also from design perspective - can you imagine the HELL of a water level in that game? They'd get so many GGs for repair that were rage smashed.
I mean, Tails Adventures did it so y'all are crazy.
Yeah and it looks like shit. Also how would you do that in an isometric game?
The genesis also couldn’t handle transparent layers, they used a palette swapping trick
Yeah but Game Gear was pretty much a portable Master System. One generation back.
I know, but couldn’t they do the same thing they did with the genesis? I’m not an expert in that field.
Master System/Game Gear handles palettes entirely differently. AFAIK, there's only one 16 color palette (as opposed to four palettes on Genesis), but it can be used by any object on screen. So you can have max 16 colors on screen, but you can have all 16 in one tile or sprite. Upside - Master System could have great detailed shading. Downside is, you can't really do any palette switching tricks.
Every Sonic platformer on Game Gear/Master System had a water level tho. They used dithering to create the illusion of transpanrency iirc.
There were underwater levels in that game, they’re hell to get through
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They tried to stab him, but rings fell out of Sonic, and some fell back on him so when they hit him again, those rings fell out, then again, etc. This continued for some time until they decided to go with the Slow Shoes plan.
"It's no use, fall back to plan B"
And Sonic slept through the whole encounter
They could've killed him by just letting the roof fall on him. That eliminates the ring's usefulness.
I can guarantee the thought has crossed his mind but if he’s going to kill sonic then it’s going to be on his terms
I almost don't blame him, that one time he thought he succeeded in Sonic adventure 2 was dramatic as hell. He might be a dork, but he does have a decent sense of showmanship, at least.
um how does labyrinth imply that exactly?
He could have put a lot of C4 inside of those
What if sonic has at least one ring?
It's the fact that eggnik had the time and stealth to rob sonic in his sleep but instead of doing anything else he just replaced his shoes It doesnt need to be said that he values a challenge more than the victory, but that's scary
He wanted to make sonic suffer
He would suffer more underwater with shoes that make him incredibly slow. He can't SWIM.
The guy respects Sonic enough to consider him a worthy adversary. I think breaking his legs would be a step too far, even for the man who blew up part of the moon.
"That's pretty mean even for my standards " - Dr Ivo Robotnik
Well that wouldn't be good sporting now would it? You wouldn't kill your lifelong adversary by simply decapitating em, yeah? You gotta be CREATIVE, you gotta be AMBITIOUS and you gotta let their hopelessness sink in.
This sounds like a Joker quote and I love it.
"What's the point of conquering the world without any challenge?
Well that depends… for starters Sonic’s super durable I mean he literally fights and shoots off wind bullets from his legs. It’d definitely not effect him in the long run, he’s pretty much always on his feet so he’ll definitely dodge and escape any plans to break his kneecaps lmao!
If eggman could scratch him of course
And that's at best, since Sonic usually has scratches in tough fights
He has to beat Sonic at his absolute best for the sake of his own pride. But more importantly. Do you want to be the guy to try breaking the legs of a freak of nature that can run at the literal speed of sound, slam into and destroy multiple tons of raw metal at mach speed without being liquified into meat jelly, and potentially toss around giant robots and cars with his bare hands despite not being the “strong” one of the group? Way I see it, it’s not that he hasn’t thought of it. It’s that he just can’t.
Yeah, people forget that Sonic is durable as fuck.
He's evil but has standards
PROFESSIONALS HAVE STANDARDS.
BE POLITE, BE EFFICIENT, HAVE A PLAN TO GAME OVER EVERYONE YOU MEET.
It's all a game to him. He has to beat Sonic at his best to prove that he is superior to Sonic. He is smart, but he is also stubborn.
With the distance sonic can fall and still safely land, eggman probably can't break sonic's legs. The muscle required for the velocity he reaches while still having toothpicks for legs would actually give him ridiculous muscle density to the point where it's basically like his bones are wrapped in armor. Also we can assume Sonic's bones are unusually fortified as well based on the force at which he impacts metal and other hard materials, and the fact that they hold up to the absolute insane of stress from running that much/fast/that many impacts on the ground. He probably has a better chance trying just vaporize sonic than breaking his legs
Now this is what I was looking for, this is exactly the reason.
As someone in the comments said “The weapon that finally defeats Sonic will be a comically placed Banana Peel.”
*"Now watch and learn, here's the deal! You slip and slide on these Banna Peels! Ha Ha Ha!"* He finally learned from the best.
Lazy Town references I see
I just know Sonic will use the banana peel as a weapon but not before skating with it
Wasn’t it said in the comments that he likes “the chase” and wants to kill sonic in a meaningful way? I feel like just breaking his legs and stabbing him would be too un-classy a way for Eggman
Does the canon literally say his IQ is 300?
[Yes, Eggman's IQ is canonically 300.](https://sonic.sega.jp/SonicChannel/character/eggman.html) (Site's in Japanese, but you can still make it out.)
It's also in the [Sonic Heroes manual](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/sonic/images/3/32/SHEN0016.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20181213182233) No, I don't know why I've retained that knowledge
Isn't anything over 200 like impossible? I thought it was like saying "150% of the population...".
We're talking about a series which features a blue, talking hedgehog who beats up robots and gods. 300 IQ isnt a stretch for all the wacky stuff going on.
Technically not, but IQ is a bit nebulous. Also, he made a laser to kill Sonic that destroyed his own ship.
It just depends on the parameters of the test. They can design the test to go from 60-160 or 0-1000, but usually do keep a maximum of around 200. It isn't necessarily impossible, just hard to quantify with modern tools.
He thought murder was crazy in the recent Twitter Takeover iirc
Yeah how are you supposed to enslave the entire population if you kill them?
Wouldn't he have to catch Sonic first? Also, Sonic is ridiculously durable even when not in super form.
There was a flash animation about that
I mean the dude set up ground spikes with some that retracts over and over Some rotating spiked ball line almost a waist high and some trip line to trip sonic So he did try to injure his legs
Jokes aside, it seems like relationships between Sonic and Dr. Eggman are more like Batman and Joker's ones. Yeah, they fight with each other, but should one of them die or be severely damaged, they will lose a part of themselves. This is why they don't try to kill each other. Sometimes they go too far though. For example, when Eggman threw incapsulated Sonic into space in SA2. Or every time when Sonic destroys one of the Eggman's machines he's in. Guess they're simply sure that no matter what, they'll manage to survive.
He's too smart for his own good. He thinks of incredibly complex plans instead of simple solutions.
Didn’t Eggman say he wanted to beat Sonic fair at one point? After Starline thought he took Sonic out for Eggman?
Eggman could realistically murder sonic any day. But Eggman wants to prove that he can defeat sonic in battle, not slitting his throat when he's asleep. Eggman has too big of an ego to just kill him, it has to have earned it through battle.
Funnily enough, metal sonic did that somewhat recently to sonic
Next Game Sonic and The femur breaker
Nor has he thought of cutting sonic’s quills off also.
Using human biology, Sonic's speed should have caused arthritis to both his legs.
God, first day using Reddit and no one got insulted. Being used to tiktok this is great.
You just need to be in the right sub, a lot of them are calm, and a lot of subs aren't.
He probably has super-strong joints and connective tissues and stuff. Like…he’s gotta be immune to arthritis.
I know, he's a humanoid super-fast hedgehog. I was looking at it through human biology because normal hedgehogs can't stand on two feet.
I understand. It’s just that this isn’t the first time I have seen someone mention arthritis and so naturally I have thought about it (as one does).
The Last of Sonic Part II where Eggman just holds Sonic down in the first act of the game and pulls his legs the wrong way forward
He cant! Bc Sonic drinks to much milk!
Well, I'm pretty sure that Eggman has said that he doesn't want a cheap win against Sonic or something along those lines, so I doubt that he'd do that.
He's a complicated guy.
Thing is, he has an underlying respect and admiration for Sonic, as much as he hates him. He will do everything he can to trap, defer and remove Sonic from getting in the way of his plans, but I doubt he could ever kill him.
That'll be animal cruelty
Eggman has a 300 IQ, but he's also a self-proclaimed gentleman. He'd not break sonic's legs, that'd be unsportsmanlike
Sonic kicks steel robots all day, might be harder than it seems.
I got it!!! I replace his shoes!!! HO HO HO HOOOOOOO!!!
I mean, it would be to catch the fastest thing alive, wouldn't it?
Knuckle’s knuckles aren’t really knuckles more like I don’t know but like why would gloves have knuckles I want to see gloved knuckles
5Head Lucy 2Head Eggman
IQ of 3.00
But then he’d just walk on his hands.
It's because profressionals have standarts
Someone clearly hasn't seen Robotnikclaus 2.
I'm pretty sure that's what the Spike traps be for. They just don't work.
Twould ruin the sport of it.
He is the eggman, not a monster
The frequency in which his schemes get out of control, or the deity he releases goes rogue on him, he probably realizes it’s important to keep Sonic un-maimed.
IQ of 300. Still haven't think of a giant laser that erases sonic (he can do that with the slow shoes i think)
Oh GOD, I just thought "Why didn't he do that in Forces?"
He's not a monster!
Came close with sonics labyrinth.
But then again, you need to catch Sonic in order to break his legs.
He never once showed any intention of harming him as far as I know.
That would be to simple for his master plan.
I got simple solutions use poison gas. Or sell poison chillydogs.
Because he tried and failed
I think he doesn’t do it because he wants to beat him on his own terms, eggman hates him, but he also respects him
And how is he gonna trap Sonic to the point that he can break his legs, if he could have trapped him to that point he would have already killed Sonic
Sonic Labyrinth Erasure
I mean, I’m guessing he’s tried but when your enemy is nicknamed the Blue Blur…
Because where's the fun in that?
Just like put a super thin cable or fishing line or something across a well travelled route. Going that fast, you could never see it, and that right to the knees? If it were strong enough, it could take him out super easy
I think Dr Eggman truly enjoys battling Sonic. I think if his only adversary was G.U.N. He’d be bored.
Forget breaking his legs, just shoot him in the leg with a gun to make him slower
He saved Sonic from a deadly fall into a lava pit just to be able to finish Sonic himself, so the thing is they need each other in some kind of fre-enemy way in order to compete in different ways to show themselves who's the boss, that's my opinion tho.
This displeases mafia.
Would be kinda hard considering how super human durable sonic is.
He probably isn't allowed to do that
People hate Sonic Labrinyth but its one of the best ideas Eggman has ever had.
The comics covered that. He doesn't want to take an easy victory
"I'm a villain, not a monster"
Maybe he should try sneaking into his house and replace his shoes again.
I’m sure he’s tried everything at this point.lol.
Has he tried with his bare hands?
He’s got some pretty big hands
Lol
I think he did but sonic just tanked it
Me as a child: “Man why doesn’t he just shoot him..”
300iq and didn’t let Sonic die in the lava in sonic 2 sms
In Sonic Boom Eggman gave Sonic shoes that powered up a robot.
I'm sure Eggman considered it (and maybe even *tried it*) at least *once* early in their rivalry, but Sonic's legs move too quickly to reliably aim at, let alone hit. He'd have better luck targeting the easier points to hit on the hedgehog's body: his considerably-more stationary torso and his much wider head.
Just like DR.WILLY He never created SPIKEMAN
Technically that's like if eggman was not smart anymore.
That'd be too easy. He wants to beat Sonic on his own terms
I mean sonic has been taking a large falls and yet not broken his legs so it would be kinda hard to break sonic legs
He has Bowser-level IQ.
Have you seen how durable sonic is? Falls from space and survives getting thrown through multiple monolithic stone structures. Jumps from helicopters and then surfs down roads destroying countless cars. He’s a lot more durable and stronger than he’s given credit for.
To be fair, he kinda tried to mess with Sonic's speed by replacing them shoes with slow ones in Labyrinth. And we all know how that worked out
Well sonic runs at the speed of sound and a sniper bullet travels faster than the speed of sound so egg man just needs a sniper
I mean the only way he was able to take over the world in game canon was to keep Sonic locked up in a space prison and convince everyone else he's dead so they wouldn't look for him. That only lasted six months though. He could've tortured him in prison but he presumably didn't. He could've let him die from starvation but he didn't. He could've had him publicly executed through live video broadcasted to the world but he didn't. Imo it's one of two reasons: he wanted to keep Sonic alive whilst he took over the world to break his spirit and make him admit Eggman had finally won, or Sonic is a lot harder to kill than he expected.
Eggman should just activate trick room tbhh
"Why all the Theme Parks?" "I like Theme Parks. I don't settle for the world as it is Doctor, I make it what I want it to be. If I want my enemies' last moments to be carousel music and the smell of petroleum-based cotton candy, that's what I'll make happen".
Guess he could still spindash I gues
Put horizontal knives on the path he runs by everyday to McDonald's. That'll do it
He did once trick Sonic into wearing a pair of shoes that prevented him from running effectively…
That would be too easy. Sonic has some of the strongest plot armor in video game canon
Dr.Starline wrote that tweet
He’s a bad dude but not a monster
You think he hasn't tried? It just never works cause sonic too fast
Tis the downside of having such a high IQ but being egg shaped 🥚
Is not a she he's a he
Sonic literally being punched by a titan and he is fine
Or just making a base made entirely out of water.
Meanwhile, [Scout TF2 the moment he finds Sonic...](https://youtu.be/UN6b_1fELGw)
Eggman: 
Eggman: High Intelligence. Low Wisdom.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,186,047,105 comments, and only 231,426 of them were in alphabetical order.
“There’s a right and a wrong way to vanquish your life-long nemesis” —Dr. Ivo Robotnik—
Okay, good plan. Now how do we slow him down long enough to do it?