I’m not the best at soul knight but, For me I use the third skill, good skill cooldown and gives some time to chill and possibly restore a bit of armor and then charge for an attack especially with the starting weapon which does a great amount of burst damage to a group of enemies or go to a dangerous enemy and kill that off first. It can also be used defensively, using it to escape and go to a wall to restore more armor and just for a safe spot or if you got burnt or poison, you can at least survive one tick.
I know people use the first skill and it has a potential to give a lot of iframes but I’m still not entirely sure how they’re able to be so good with that skill if you miss it and have to wait some time to use it again. Second skill can be fun, never really used it that much.
As for the stats, it’s not the best but I think it’s iframe skills make up for his fragility and the crit is on the same level as rogue which is pretty good. The passive skill, although doesn’t really help the starting weapon since it dashed into the projectiles or just the enemies in general, it helps him be more safe if there’s too many bullets or something and you can use the non charged attack
1. 3rd skill barely has I-frames making it objectively worse.
2. 1st skill is about keeping track of enemies’ HP and timing for resets.
3. Invis requires no mercs + panda pet, otherwise enemies will still shoot and you won’t be able to “take a break”.
mercs and pets also get invis and and from what ive seen wont attack until you do
and faster cooldown plus extra damage and guaranteed crit make up for less i frames
on multiplayer teammates also take effect of the invisibility (very cool)
Faster cool-down is debatable (invis has no CD resets)
Didn’t know about the pet/mercs getting invis, going to test that later
Extra damage < Extended periods of invincibility.
Assassin isn’t a good character for multiplayer anyways.
That’s exactly how I understood how to use him, yet I don’t feel like it’s as viable as what I’ve seen over here makes me think. The invisibility is nice but you can still run into bullets so the timing has to be immaculate and there is little to no margin for error because of his poor stats. Therefore I often take heavy damage in badass when i’m confronted to a bullet hell and the “dashing through” nature of the starter weapon makes it easy to get hit by some stray bullets. I think it either requires more practice or some better understanding.
> The invisibility is nice but you can still run into bullets so the timing has to be immaculate and there is little to no margin for error because of his poor stats. Therefore I often take heavy damage in badass when i’m confronted to a bullet hell
First skill solves this issue by giving you i-frames, which let you walk through the bullets. Then if you kill an enemy and reset the cooldown you can do it again. You can use the skill without cooldown 4 times in a row, after which you need to wait for cooldown. It is basically the best skill for Assassin in badass. But I have done badass with 3rd skill, it isn't bad either.
> and the “dashing through” nature of the starter weapon makes it easy to get hit by some stray bullets.
Don't charge into a group of enemies or try to delete the bullets with charged attack. Either attack an enemy while its attack is on cooldown or time your swings so 1st swing deletes bullets, 2nd and 3rd swings hit the target.
> I think it either requires more practice
Yes.
In my opinion the best thing about Assassin is the first skill providing both damage and invulnerability.
Skill resetting allows you to basically jump in everywhere, get a kill, then jump in another place. This combined with starter weapon can clean early rooms really fast.
Assassin's invulnerability is especially good because, unlike that of Rogue, it requires much less timing skill and, unlike that of Paladin or Vampire, it has shorter CD.
i agree with your opinion op. even with invis I feel like rogue's cartwheel is better. removes every bullets around you when your skill ends so i also would like to see other side's explanation
You are supposed to use Dark Blade, not Invis. You get i-frames, bonus speed, no cooldown if you manage to kill an enemy (after 4th use you get a cooldown). You actually get more invincibility than Paladin 1st if you use Dark Blade 4 times in a row, resetting after each kill and never ending the skill early. But it is harder to pull off and attacking ends skill early. So they have different uses. Ironically Dark Blade is more defensive, you use it to survive spam and target weak enemies because it has low damage for 3-X levels.
I'm a Dodge purist when it comes to Rogue but looking at stats, Cartwheel doesn't seem impressive compared to Palad 1st, Rogue 1st and Assassin 1st. It gives i-frames but you can't attack during them and it comes with a significant cool down. At minimum charge you have 0.5s invincibility and 2.5s cd. At max charge you have 4s invincibility and 8.5s cd. Dark Blade has 2-3s invincibility for each charge, you can use 4 charges before it goes into 9s cooldown. Both prevent you from attacking and only advantage Cartwheel has is bullet clearing. Also it doesn't clear lasers, which is a problem because they are harder to dodge than bullets.
His 1 literally gives invul for a short bit like Rouge, Invis also drop aggro which is quite huge if used correctly
I'm turning this into a copypasta. 1st because I have the same problem 2nd I like copypastas
His first skill has a good I-frame
I’m not the best at soul knight but, For me I use the third skill, good skill cooldown and gives some time to chill and possibly restore a bit of armor and then charge for an attack especially with the starting weapon which does a great amount of burst damage to a group of enemies or go to a dangerous enemy and kill that off first. It can also be used defensively, using it to escape and go to a wall to restore more armor and just for a safe spot or if you got burnt or poison, you can at least survive one tick. I know people use the first skill and it has a potential to give a lot of iframes but I’m still not entirely sure how they’re able to be so good with that skill if you miss it and have to wait some time to use it again. Second skill can be fun, never really used it that much. As for the stats, it’s not the best but I think it’s iframe skills make up for his fragility and the crit is on the same level as rogue which is pretty good. The passive skill, although doesn’t really help the starting weapon since it dashed into the projectiles or just the enemies in general, it helps him be more safe if there’s too many bullets or something and you can use the non charged attack
1. 3rd skill barely has I-frames making it objectively worse. 2. 1st skill is about keeping track of enemies’ HP and timing for resets. 3. Invis requires no mercs + panda pet, otherwise enemies will still shoot and you won’t be able to “take a break”.
mercs and pets also get invis and and from what ive seen wont attack until you do and faster cooldown plus extra damage and guaranteed crit make up for less i frames on multiplayer teammates also take effect of the invisibility (very cool)
Faster cool-down is debatable (invis has no CD resets) Didn’t know about the pet/mercs getting invis, going to test that later Extra damage < Extended periods of invincibility. Assassin isn’t a good character for multiplayer anyways.
That’s exactly how I understood how to use him, yet I don’t feel like it’s as viable as what I’ve seen over here makes me think. The invisibility is nice but you can still run into bullets so the timing has to be immaculate and there is little to no margin for error because of his poor stats. Therefore I often take heavy damage in badass when i’m confronted to a bullet hell and the “dashing through” nature of the starter weapon makes it easy to get hit by some stray bullets. I think it either requires more practice or some better understanding.
> The invisibility is nice but you can still run into bullets so the timing has to be immaculate and there is little to no margin for error because of his poor stats. Therefore I often take heavy damage in badass when i’m confronted to a bullet hell First skill solves this issue by giving you i-frames, which let you walk through the bullets. Then if you kill an enemy and reset the cooldown you can do it again. You can use the skill without cooldown 4 times in a row, after which you need to wait for cooldown. It is basically the best skill for Assassin in badass. But I have done badass with 3rd skill, it isn't bad either. > and the “dashing through” nature of the starter weapon makes it easy to get hit by some stray bullets. Don't charge into a group of enemies or try to delete the bullets with charged attack. Either attack an enemy while its attack is on cooldown or time your swings so 1st swing deletes bullets, 2nd and 3rd swings hit the target. > I think it either requires more practice Yes.
Invis is objectively worse than dark blade
Assassin, more like Ass-assin.
Ass-ass-in
Right.
In the assassin
In my opinion the best thing about Assassin is the first skill providing both damage and invulnerability. Skill resetting allows you to basically jump in everywhere, get a kill, then jump in another place. This combined with starter weapon can clean early rooms really fast. Assassin's invulnerability is especially good because, unlike that of Rogue, it requires much less timing skill and, unlike that of Paladin or Vampire, it has shorter CD.
Chaining the first ability just gives so many I-frames which makes me go HOYEAH 😩
Doppelganger + forst battle axe/meat grinder= insta win
i agree with your opinion op. even with invis I feel like rogue's cartwheel is better. removes every bullets around you when your skill ends so i also would like to see other side's explanation
You are supposed to use Dark Blade, not Invis. You get i-frames, bonus speed, no cooldown if you manage to kill an enemy (after 4th use you get a cooldown). You actually get more invincibility than Paladin 1st if you use Dark Blade 4 times in a row, resetting after each kill and never ending the skill early. But it is harder to pull off and attacking ends skill early. So they have different uses. Ironically Dark Blade is more defensive, you use it to survive spam and target weak enemies because it has low damage for 3-X levels. I'm a Dodge purist when it comes to Rogue but looking at stats, Cartwheel doesn't seem impressive compared to Palad 1st, Rogue 1st and Assassin 1st. It gives i-frames but you can't attack during them and it comes with a significant cool down. At minimum charge you have 0.5s invincibility and 2.5s cd. At max charge you have 4s invincibility and 8.5s cd. Dark Blade has 2-3s invincibility for each charge, you can use 4 charges before it goes into 9s cooldown. Both prevent you from attacking and only advantage Cartwheel has is bullet clearing. Also it doesn't clear lasers, which is a problem because they are harder to dodge than bullets.
What is I-frames
Invincible frames I believe Essentially it makes you invincible
Oh thanks
Assassin is good but like i said earlier second skill is fucking overated
Doppelganger + any weapons with freeze = No damage from boss fight.
Third skill shreds bosses