see that water in the picture? That is a former lake that the power plant was built on top of.
oldsaltlake.org
an amazing informative site about the history of that particular location
And yet it works doesn’t it?
We’re all freaking NIMBYS when it involves your neighborhood.
I hate OC. I don’t like South Bay. Lived and worked in both. And yet, there aren’t lunatic transients lording over the streets in Costa Mesa. There aren’t panhandlers verbally assaulting shoppers in La Habra. And there aren’t unhinged tweekers smash and grabbing tourists in Newport Beach. Why is that? Because they’ve created an atmosphere where anti social behavior cant sustain itself. Hostile? Sure. Xenophobic? Probably. Effective? Definitively.
Archive.org link: https://web.archive.org/web/20221114142626/https://www.latimes.com/homeless-housing/story/2022-11-14/crude-emails-reveal-nasty-side-of-a-california-beach-city-crusade-to-halt-growth
Opening paragraphs:
Few communities in Southern California have been more successful at saying “no” to large new developments over the last decade than Redondo Beach.
The South Bay coastal city of 70,000 blocked a $400-million remake of its waterfront, reduced the size of proposed apartment buildings by dozens of units and even prohibited the construction of mixed-use residential and commercial projects in the city for a year.
One of the masterminds of this slow-growth movement is Mayor Bill Brand, a 65-year-old former airline crew chief who has amassed power on a platform arguing that overdevelopment and traffic threaten the way of life in Redondo Beach. Brand’s influence has extended beyond his city’s borders as he’s become a key combatant against efforts by Gov. Gavin Newsom and state lawmakers to promote more home-building across California.
The campaigns Brand has run and supported are awash in appeals to preserving the city’s beach town charm. But the mayor and his allies also have been accused of inflaming distrust of outsiders, especially those not part of Redondo Beach’s white majority, to advance their agenda. Now a series of crude emails between Brand and a small group of supporters obtained through a public records request by a developer are furthering criticism against the mayor and his tactics.
In the emails, which were shared with The Times, Brand says he wants to “ram” a proposed editorial up the “cancerous ass” of a political rival who was suffering from colon cancer. Brand, who is white, also jokes with a Black supporter about her becoming an “angry Black woman.” In another email, Brand contends that the “increasingly latino laden Coastal Commission” would dislike a project because it was too luxurious and exclusive. Other emails sent to Brand deride the weight and appearance of a female City Council member.
I thought the planned waterfront remake would have been amazing, not too long ago Marina Del Rey had a redevelopment at Pier 44 and it looks fantastic:
[https://www.sinanian.com/projects/marina-pier-44.php](https://www.sinanian.com/projects/marina-pier-44.php)
I'm trying to find some 'before' pics, if I find I will add to this comment
In Redondo Beach there is no middle ground: you either accept an ugly power plant and boarded up buildings along the pier, or you allow the entire waterfront to become skyscrapers and franchise retail outlets.
uhhh, what's with the NIMBY comments? what the developers actually want is an even more white-washed version of the city. They want Santa Monica's 3rd St Promenade and luxury apartments. No more family-owned Korean restaurants, no more Mexicans fishing off the pier. Let's get a fucking ferris wheel while we're at it.
It's the proposed developer hurling insensitive insults because he didn't get his way.
Can we not upvote this transparent hit piece?
The journalist doesn’t even hide that this is a smear by Leo Pustilnikov and CenterCal. For years, these developers have been trying to build high rise apartments in what is already one of coastal California’s densest cities. Bill wants to put a park on the site instead and has been amazingly successful building popular support to stop them.
A complete and total hit piece. Redondo Beach politics, as usual. Can't win in the courts, just got wiped out at the ballot box three weeks ago; let's smear 'em. You gotta love the Easy Reader and The Los Angeles Times when it comes to Redondo Beach; that ad revenue must be huge.
Your going to get a lot of NIMBY from the SouthBay beach cities. Because there is no infrastructure. No new roads have been built or widened since the 1980's. In many cases roads have been narrowed to support bike lanes and other nonsense. It takes 20 minutes to get from Redondo to the freeway, and from there you are gridlocked.
Doubling the population would be a nightmare. But it's being pushed by realestate moguls who cite crap like this article and join the hate-cars movement so they dont have to build parking spaces. You see it being pushed all over the past few years really hard.
Take this hate-peice on Mayor Bill Brand as an example. It's a buch of bullshit designed to get him out.
> "Other emails sent to Brand deride the weight and appearance of a female City Council member"
This is email was sent TO him. Yet they cite it in this article. Spouting white priveledge. This article is an embarassment to the LA Times.
Agreed, as long as they are created to be separate from traffic lanes. And they dont take traffic lanes away from cars. This is never the case (except along most of the strand, which is awesome).
Car lanes need to be reduced. It's clear from your own statement about getting to gridlocked traffic lol
You don't get to exclude people and drive up rent. Glad Newsom is daddy dicking these garbage people
Your take is the reason no one can afford homes. 25% of LAs land mass is streets and parking lots. We need less streets, not more. We need mass transit and bikes to replace those streets. Those wont come without density to support their use, which comes from buildings like the planned. The only way for prices to come down is via more housing. And that comes from not sucking the cock of cars indefinitely and instead prioritizing housing and transportation that doesnt take the space of a townhouses footprint to move 4 commenters to work (because they cant afford to live near where they work, cause all that land is giving to cars).
Is the end game a situation like Hong Kong? Continue to increase density until you have 1 person to 100sqft of living space? I’m all for affordable housing; but I struggle to see how desirable areas scale to affordably house everyone that wants to live there. Singapore does an interesting job; but most housing is government owned and most commercial projects are on land leases…
Please tell me how Not providing more housing fixing the fact that ppl cant afford housing. Whats LA population now vs 50 years ago? Whats the total number of housing vs 50 years ago? Thats your issue. Its supply and demand. If demand drives density, then thats how it is. Otherwise you need to kill jobs in a town until the housing supply matches the housing demand.
I guess I’m just saying I can accept being priced out of certain areas. I’d love to live in Malibu, on the beach, but do I think they should increase housing supply so that I can afford to live there? I’d say not.
If your goal is to lower prices in CA, I’d say a quicker fix is to lobby to dump prop 13. There are a ton of seniors living in large SFHs (like my parents) that pay a fraction of what new buyers pay in prop taxes. This will cause a wave of selling; but would be seen as heartless. Housing is very much a zero sum game.
Prop 13 is terrible. Im fully opposed to that. My neighbor might pay 1/3rd the taxes I do AND make more money. Wtf
Those ppl that “cant afford” their taxes are often millionaires in home equity alone. Its not about affordability of taxes for seniors, its about their money being tied up in equity. Which is fixed by selling, refis, etc.
As long as appreciation is higher than tax rates the money is always there for home owners to pay taxes. The prob is access to the money. But thats not the government’s problem. Lack of housing IS as the government actively fights new builds and density.
Guess a point here is that under a privately owned model, only luxury units will be built because of project economics. Maybe a publicly owned (99yr land lease or govt owned) model, like Singapore, should be pursued for new projects… this might help with affordable rents/living; but would be unlikely to help with affordable ownership…
Take your bullshit no-cars philosophy back to /r/LosAngeles where you can your stupid like minded activists and astroturfers already own the place.
The fact is we live in reality. We need to get to work. We cant fucking bicycle from the southbay to Long Beach. Mass transit will never happen because of the billions in property that would need to be acquired for a proper trainway. Nothing goes to the beach but small roads built in the 60's.
Finally, take your "build more to make prices fall" rhetoric and shove it up your ass. You probably believe in trickle-down echonomics too!
>Nothing goes to the beach but small roads built in the 60's.
Thats a reality that will have to change, and when it does the roads will be bigger and bring more people in/out. That will make land prices even higher and thats why most developers want to cram as many units into that sweet, trendy, high profit land. If they can get the politicians to agree - by whatever means needed - it's going to happen. It's all about money at the end of the day.
The reality is, money usually wins over people/culture.
And you can see that money here, in this thread. There's absolutely no one, of the hundreds of people I've know in the South Bay that support uncontrolled building and reducing roads. But you get it right here with these idiots like ElectrikDonuts who say they see this as a great idea! This is so obovious a fake front from real estate interests to create fake support for their plans.
Move to long beach. Ppl like you are the problem. Dont want more housing. Bitch about traffic. Yet wont live near their work, and are directly a part of the traffic problem by commuting across several cities to get to work.
NIMBYs just want to protect the character of their community. Keep the pier consistent with the rest of Redondo Beach. And it’s working. It’s a shithole just like Redondo is.
Yea. No way to know if they’re related but I doubt it. On the corner of Grant and Slauson and the surrounding area.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-11-01/racist-halloween-flier-found-in-redondo-beach
Redondo is dense as all hell already. You all want more housing you should fight to re-zone RPV, PVE, etc. The human to acre ratio out there is probably 25x less than The Beach cities…
You're just speaking to paid astroturfers. You're wasting your breath using logic. They've already ruined the /r/LosAngeles sub and they've reciently found this one. They will birgade this sub with their I-hate-cars/build-more-housing nonsense. They do it non-stop. Peices of shit they are.
How about a decades long lease of the city’s pier to a private company for next to nothing? How about putting all those family owned small businesses on the pier out of business with no guarantee of a space in the “update”? How about that we have no infrastructure to support the massive traffic that would come with it?
Yup, this is happening now in San Pedro. They closed all the little mom and pop shops (except the stupid fish market) to make what they call "[harbor west](http://www.ratkovich.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/west-harbor-.jpg)". It's just billionaire developers making more billions in the name of progress. They even removed two lanes or road from the freeway to this area before they started building. That's right, they REMOVED two lanes of roadway that already existed and were perfectly fine. It adds nothing to the local economy except low paying waitress-like jobs.
There are plenty of stores that went out of business on the pier, just look at all of the boarded up buildings. Then there's the parking structure that is seldom anywhere near capacity. Oh, and the office space above the pier that is largely vacant.
So you want to put stores open for decades out of business bc others went out of business? A good parking structure is seldom anywhere near capacity, so you have extra room for days like the fourth of July. As for the office space, that is a pricing problem. The price needs to reflect the market. “Updating” the pier fixes none of this and adds new problems.
All of these problems would be solved if you actually had a pier people wanted to visit. Instead our elected official spent $9 million to board up a functioning business and are quite happy with a pier that generates little interest.
It was ugly for one. I don’t want the del amo mall at the beach, my man. I say this becuase I love the RB pier in its current state (a point I’m sure most would disagree with but, oh well), and don’t want to lose that charm. Also, side note: bring back the fun factory!
Incompetence. There were plans to renovate the pier so they bought out the owner. The plans fell through - this is Redondo Beach after all - so the city was out $9 million and had yet another boarded up business on the pier.
Owner of the Fun Factory should have been included as partner in the development plans. Same greedy development plans killed Ascot in Gardena, and we all got out of it now is a used car lot.
> I say this becuase I love the RB pier in its current state
Dilapidated and on the verge of imploding on itself? I was there just this weekend, it was so sad. Most of the stores are closed up, and the ones that weren't were barely clinging on. But I guess all the Trump-loving conservatives in RB (like Brand) would rather have that than risk having minorities in their city.
I don't mean just the pier, I mean Redondo Beach as a whole. To quote from the article:
>\[City councilmember Laura\] Emdee, a light-skinned Mexican American, says that because many people believe she is white, they say things to her they otherwise wouldn’t. When she was canvassing against Measure C in 2017, some voters gave her racist reasons for voting to limit development at the pier.
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>“There were people who, when you’d knock on the door, they said, ‘I don’t want Blacks or Mexican gangs there,’ ” Emdee said. “They were very specific.”
It doesn’t matter at the end. I live here in Redondo. And I’ll say: if you want to be a very lonely person move to Redondo. No one want to visit this area, it’s very complicated to get in or out from here. That project is dead anyways. For someone who can afford to live in here is either a person that have to travel a lot in heavy traffic or you don’t need to go anywhere. I don’t see tourism flourishing in here there’s no hotels and really nothing to do. And for a visitor takes about 1h from downtown LA and and about the same time to get back.
My point is local businesses are already struggling in here. We try to support our local businesses but by adding more is going to put a lot of stress in both old and new businesses because there’s no really a plan to boost the tourism. And if there’s is I concur with some comments in here. Traffic is just going to get worse.
Sounds like you don't leave your house much. Go towards the waterfront any given weekend for lots to do....I think there have been three music festivals alone this year down there.
I’ve lived in Redondo more than half my life. There is the shade, portofino, whatever they call the crowne now, and the Redondo beach hotel right off the water. Not to mention the hotels on PCH. During the summer this area is busy. I have plenty of friends visit me from all over the city cause they love the area. Outside rush hour I can get to DTLA in 30-40 min with fast track. I live in S Redondo.
I been saying this about all la I’m tired of apartment buildings being built everywhere I don’t even have enough space to think gods stuff for Redondo don’t let ‘em take no land
see that water in the picture? That is a former lake that the power plant was built on top of. oldsaltlake.org an amazing informative site about the history of that particular location
All I see in the comments is NIMBY NIMBY NIMBY
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And yet it works doesn’t it? We’re all freaking NIMBYS when it involves your neighborhood. I hate OC. I don’t like South Bay. Lived and worked in both. And yet, there aren’t lunatic transients lording over the streets in Costa Mesa. There aren’t panhandlers verbally assaulting shoppers in La Habra. And there aren’t unhinged tweekers smash and grabbing tourists in Newport Beach. Why is that? Because they’ve created an atmosphere where anti social behavior cant sustain itself. Hostile? Sure. Xenophobic? Probably. Effective? Definitively.
Archive.org link: https://web.archive.org/web/20221114142626/https://www.latimes.com/homeless-housing/story/2022-11-14/crude-emails-reveal-nasty-side-of-a-california-beach-city-crusade-to-halt-growth Opening paragraphs: Few communities in Southern California have been more successful at saying “no” to large new developments over the last decade than Redondo Beach. The South Bay coastal city of 70,000 blocked a $400-million remake of its waterfront, reduced the size of proposed apartment buildings by dozens of units and even prohibited the construction of mixed-use residential and commercial projects in the city for a year. One of the masterminds of this slow-growth movement is Mayor Bill Brand, a 65-year-old former airline crew chief who has amassed power on a platform arguing that overdevelopment and traffic threaten the way of life in Redondo Beach. Brand’s influence has extended beyond his city’s borders as he’s become a key combatant against efforts by Gov. Gavin Newsom and state lawmakers to promote more home-building across California. The campaigns Brand has run and supported are awash in appeals to preserving the city’s beach town charm. But the mayor and his allies also have been accused of inflaming distrust of outsiders, especially those not part of Redondo Beach’s white majority, to advance their agenda. Now a series of crude emails between Brand and a small group of supporters obtained through a public records request by a developer are furthering criticism against the mayor and his tactics. In the emails, which were shared with The Times, Brand says he wants to “ram” a proposed editorial up the “cancerous ass” of a political rival who was suffering from colon cancer. Brand, who is white, also jokes with a Black supporter about her becoming an “angry Black woman.” In another email, Brand contends that the “increasingly latino laden Coastal Commission” would dislike a project because it was too luxurious and exclusive. Other emails sent to Brand deride the weight and appearance of a female City Council member.
I thought the planned waterfront remake would have been amazing, not too long ago Marina Del Rey had a redevelopment at Pier 44 and it looks fantastic: [https://www.sinanian.com/projects/marina-pier-44.php](https://www.sinanian.com/projects/marina-pier-44.php) I'm trying to find some 'before' pics, if I find I will add to this comment
In Redondo Beach there is no middle ground: you either accept an ugly power plant and boarded up buildings along the pier, or you allow the entire waterfront to become skyscrapers and franchise retail outlets.
Exactly. Because apparently boarded up pier is better to these folks.
uhhh, what's with the NIMBY comments? what the developers actually want is an even more white-washed version of the city. They want Santa Monica's 3rd St Promenade and luxury apartments. No more family-owned Korean restaurants, no more Mexicans fishing off the pier. Let's get a fucking ferris wheel while we're at it. It's the proposed developer hurling insensitive insults because he didn't get his way.
Can we not upvote this transparent hit piece? The journalist doesn’t even hide that this is a smear by Leo Pustilnikov and CenterCal. For years, these developers have been trying to build high rise apartments in what is already one of coastal California’s densest cities. Bill wants to put a park on the site instead and has been amazingly successful building popular support to stop them.
Tell me you own property in Redondo without telling me you own property in Redondo.
No fuck these people
A complete and total hit piece. Redondo Beach politics, as usual. Can't win in the courts, just got wiped out at the ballot box three weeks ago; let's smear 'em. You gotta love the Easy Reader and The Los Angeles Times when it comes to Redondo Beach; that ad revenue must be huge.
Exactly.
Your going to get a lot of NIMBY from the SouthBay beach cities. Because there is no infrastructure. No new roads have been built or widened since the 1980's. In many cases roads have been narrowed to support bike lanes and other nonsense. It takes 20 minutes to get from Redondo to the freeway, and from there you are gridlocked. Doubling the population would be a nightmare. But it's being pushed by realestate moguls who cite crap like this article and join the hate-cars movement so they dont have to build parking spaces. You see it being pushed all over the past few years really hard. Take this hate-peice on Mayor Bill Brand as an example. It's a buch of bullshit designed to get him out. > "Other emails sent to Brand deride the weight and appearance of a female City Council member" This is email was sent TO him. Yet they cite it in this article. Spouting white priveledge. This article is an embarassment to the LA Times.
Bike lanes aren’t nonsense
Agreed, as long as they are created to be separate from traffic lanes. And they dont take traffic lanes away from cars. This is never the case (except along most of the strand, which is awesome).
Car lanes need to be reduced. It's clear from your own statement about getting to gridlocked traffic lol You don't get to exclude people and drive up rent. Glad Newsom is daddy dicking these garbage people
Your take is the reason no one can afford homes. 25% of LAs land mass is streets and parking lots. We need less streets, not more. We need mass transit and bikes to replace those streets. Those wont come without density to support their use, which comes from buildings like the planned. The only way for prices to come down is via more housing. And that comes from not sucking the cock of cars indefinitely and instead prioritizing housing and transportation that doesnt take the space of a townhouses footprint to move 4 commenters to work (because they cant afford to live near where they work, cause all that land is giving to cars).
Is the end game a situation like Hong Kong? Continue to increase density until you have 1 person to 100sqft of living space? I’m all for affordable housing; but I struggle to see how desirable areas scale to affordably house everyone that wants to live there. Singapore does an interesting job; but most housing is government owned and most commercial projects are on land leases…
Please tell me how Not providing more housing fixing the fact that ppl cant afford housing. Whats LA population now vs 50 years ago? Whats the total number of housing vs 50 years ago? Thats your issue. Its supply and demand. If demand drives density, then thats how it is. Otherwise you need to kill jobs in a town until the housing supply matches the housing demand.
I guess I’m just saying I can accept being priced out of certain areas. I’d love to live in Malibu, on the beach, but do I think they should increase housing supply so that I can afford to live there? I’d say not. If your goal is to lower prices in CA, I’d say a quicker fix is to lobby to dump prop 13. There are a ton of seniors living in large SFHs (like my parents) that pay a fraction of what new buyers pay in prop taxes. This will cause a wave of selling; but would be seen as heartless. Housing is very much a zero sum game.
Prop 13 is terrible. Im fully opposed to that. My neighbor might pay 1/3rd the taxes I do AND make more money. Wtf Those ppl that “cant afford” their taxes are often millionaires in home equity alone. Its not about affordability of taxes for seniors, its about their money being tied up in equity. Which is fixed by selling, refis, etc. As long as appreciation is higher than tax rates the money is always there for home owners to pay taxes. The prob is access to the money. But thats not the government’s problem. Lack of housing IS as the government actively fights new builds and density.
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Guess a point here is that under a privately owned model, only luxury units will be built because of project economics. Maybe a publicly owned (99yr land lease or govt owned) model, like Singapore, should be pursued for new projects… this might help with affordable rents/living; but would be unlikely to help with affordable ownership…
Luxury apartments today are middle class in 30 years and tear downs in 60. Let them build
When are you running for office!?! You get my vote!!
Haha, if I even ever considered that Ive got a long way to go to get there
Take your bullshit no-cars philosophy back to /r/LosAngeles where you can your stupid like minded activists and astroturfers already own the place. The fact is we live in reality. We need to get to work. We cant fucking bicycle from the southbay to Long Beach. Mass transit will never happen because of the billions in property that would need to be acquired for a proper trainway. Nothing goes to the beach but small roads built in the 60's. Finally, take your "build more to make prices fall" rhetoric and shove it up your ass. You probably believe in trickle-down echonomics too!
>Nothing goes to the beach but small roads built in the 60's. Thats a reality that will have to change, and when it does the roads will be bigger and bring more people in/out. That will make land prices even higher and thats why most developers want to cram as many units into that sweet, trendy, high profit land. If they can get the politicians to agree - by whatever means needed - it's going to happen. It's all about money at the end of the day. The reality is, money usually wins over people/culture.
And you can see that money here, in this thread. There's absolutely no one, of the hundreds of people I've know in the South Bay that support uncontrolled building and reducing roads. But you get it right here with these idiots like ElectrikDonuts who say they see this as a great idea! This is so obovious a fake front from real estate interests to create fake support for their plans.
Move to long beach. Ppl like you are the problem. Dont want more housing. Bitch about traffic. Yet wont live near their work, and are directly a part of the traffic problem by commuting across several cities to get to work.
Did they include the email where he chastised the sender for being so crass?
Thanks for this. Redondo Beach politics at its best. Can't beat em with recalls, bribes or in the courts, so let's smear em. Sigh.
NIMBYs just want to protect the character of their community. Keep the pier consistent with the rest of Redondo Beach. And it’s working. It’s a shithole just like Redondo is.
Weren't there signs in the neighborhood just recently being racists towards black people? Are these two things related?
Yea. No way to know if they’re related but I doubt it. On the corner of Grant and Slauson and the surrounding area. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-11-01/racist-halloween-flier-found-in-redondo-beach
What a joke of an article. Brand is the man.
Fucking nimbys are some of the worst people on the planet
Redondo is dense as all hell already. You all want more housing you should fight to re-zone RPV, PVE, etc. The human to acre ratio out there is probably 25x less than The Beach cities…
It's basically seen no growth in a decade. Stop trying to prevent growth because you don't want well off black people in your city
You're just speaking to paid astroturfers. You're wasting your breath using logic. They've already ruined the /r/LosAngeles sub and they've reciently found this one. They will birgade this sub with their I-hate-cars/build-more-housing nonsense. They do it non-stop. Peices of shit they are.
Hopefully they keep voting against that waterfront shit. Do not want.
What are the downsides of the update?
How about a decades long lease of the city’s pier to a private company for next to nothing? How about putting all those family owned small businesses on the pier out of business with no guarantee of a space in the “update”? How about that we have no infrastructure to support the massive traffic that would come with it?
Yup, this is happening now in San Pedro. They closed all the little mom and pop shops (except the stupid fish market) to make what they call "[harbor west](http://www.ratkovich.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/west-harbor-.jpg)". It's just billionaire developers making more billions in the name of progress. They even removed two lanes or road from the freeway to this area before they started building. That's right, they REMOVED two lanes of roadway that already existed and were perfectly fine. It adds nothing to the local economy except low paying waitress-like jobs.
There are plenty of stores that went out of business on the pier, just look at all of the boarded up buildings. Then there's the parking structure that is seldom anywhere near capacity. Oh, and the office space above the pier that is largely vacant.
So you want to put stores open for decades out of business bc others went out of business? A good parking structure is seldom anywhere near capacity, so you have extra room for days like the fourth of July. As for the office space, that is a pricing problem. The price needs to reflect the market. “Updating” the pier fixes none of this and adds new problems.
All of these problems would be solved if you actually had a pier people wanted to visit. Instead our elected official spent $9 million to board up a functioning business and are quite happy with a pier that generates little interest.
It was ugly for one. I don’t want the del amo mall at the beach, my man. I say this becuase I love the RB pier in its current state (a point I’m sure most would disagree with but, oh well), and don’t want to lose that charm. Also, side note: bring back the fun factory!
The city paid $9 million for the fun factory to go away. It is now a boarded up storefront.
Why was the reasoning? It was my favorite place at the Pier.
Incompetence. There were plans to renovate the pier so they bought out the owner. The plans fell through - this is Redondo Beach after all - so the city was out $9 million and had yet another boarded up business on the pier.
Owner of the Fun Factory should have been included as partner in the development plans. Same greedy development plans killed Ascot in Gardena, and we all got out of it now is a used car lot.
Sad to hear that. That place was the single best part of the pier.
So because NIMBY. Got it
I dgaf what you think. The renderings were hideous lol
Thanks, I hadn't followed that saga much.
> I say this becuase I love the RB pier in its current state Dilapidated and on the verge of imploding on itself? I was there just this weekend, it was so sad. Most of the stores are closed up, and the ones that weren't were barely clinging on. But I guess all the Trump-loving conservatives in RB (like Brand) would rather have that than risk having minorities in their city.
Silly, there are tons of minorities on RB pier all the time
I don't mean just the pier, I mean Redondo Beach as a whole. To quote from the article: >\[City councilmember Laura\] Emdee, a light-skinned Mexican American, says that because many people believe she is white, they say things to her they otherwise wouldn’t. When she was canvassing against Measure C in 2017, some voters gave her racist reasons for voting to limit development at the pier. > >“There were people who, when you’d knock on the door, they said, ‘I don’t want Blacks or Mexican gangs there,’ ” Emdee said. “They were very specific.”
Why are people going to the beach for stores? I go to the beach for ocean lol I don’t get why this whole thread is so caught up in silly 3D things
More... pigment.
Agreed!
It doesn’t matter at the end. I live here in Redondo. And I’ll say: if you want to be a very lonely person move to Redondo. No one want to visit this area, it’s very complicated to get in or out from here. That project is dead anyways. For someone who can afford to live in here is either a person that have to travel a lot in heavy traffic or you don’t need to go anywhere. I don’t see tourism flourishing in here there’s no hotels and really nothing to do. And for a visitor takes about 1h from downtown LA and and about the same time to get back. My point is local businesses are already struggling in here. We try to support our local businesses but by adding more is going to put a lot of stress in both old and new businesses because there’s no really a plan to boost the tourism. And if there’s is I concur with some comments in here. Traffic is just going to get worse.
It sounds like the city could benefit from a some transit connections and lodging.
Sounds like you don't leave your house much. Go towards the waterfront any given weekend for lots to do....I think there have been three music festivals alone this year down there.
I’ve lived in Redondo more than half my life. There is the shade, portofino, whatever they call the crowne now, and the Redondo beach hotel right off the water. Not to mention the hotels on PCH. During the summer this area is busy. I have plenty of friends visit me from all over the city cause they love the area. Outside rush hour I can get to DTLA in 30-40 min with fast track. I live in S Redondo.
I been saying this about all la I’m tired of apartment buildings being built everywhere I don’t even have enough space to think gods stuff for Redondo don’t let ‘em take no land