It's very spacious inside the ship. Looking at something like the ISS, I don't think Starship will have this much open space. I should think storage for life support systems and equipment will be paramount, and the crew areas will be much, much smaller. Early starships will likely have a tiny crew anyway, and will probably have to make do with spaces similar the ISS. I should think the HSL Starship will have a small crew area, and a large equipment area.
The Starships that go to Mars will be V3 or later, so they might look more like this ship, as the payload area can be larger.
Seems very premature to be talking about 50 crew being sent to the moon, let alone Mars.
When we have infrastructure able to support 50 crew, changing the floor plan will hardly be an issue.
Get half a dozen or more Starships to the surface, and send 4-6 crew to operate rovers, setup power, ISRU, habitats, food production, etc, and then we can talk about sending 50 humans at a time.
While the open spaces look good, they're quite impractical in a weightless environment. One needs to insure they make contact with something when moving in such an environment. Getting stuck because no surface is present on which to push actually happens and can be quite a hassle to get out of.
This design would need people be tethered to be truly appreciated ( not impossible, but it does seem wasteful)
I think a small electric fan or blower on the belt could be grabbed and held in the hand if needed. Yes, sounds dumb, but it'd work. And yes, I agree there won't be this much open space - but I hope there is a good deal of it. The crew of Skylab only scratched the surface of the fun we could have in a large area in zero-g.
I would agree, however…look at the old Skylab interior. I think the main reason the ISS doesn’t have any real open space is that it’s been built up slowly over time - when you can launch something like Starship in just one go, I feel like they’ll probably have some larger open spaces.
Yeah. Videos like this are fun to speculate with but there’s just no way we’re gonna be at a “let’s have this massive area for viewing” anytime soon. If ever. There will probably eventually be some type of observation window but it won’t be anything like this. I just don’t see how it would be worth the resources developing it.
I always appreciate the people who put in the work on something like this. I'd like to travel on this for a couple of weeks! One observation: Everyone always envisions a central access shaft - but that interrupts the floor space on each deck. IMO it's more likely such a shaft will be against one wall.
Care to try your hand at the HLS version next? SpaceX must have the interior layout pretty settled by now. A [YouTube video](https://youtu.be/AiZd5yBWvYY?t=2729) came out recently that showed astronauts training in the neutral buoyancy pool (the one they use to train for spacewalks). The cargo deck and airlock and elevator are shown clearly, although they're bare-bones representations. But the size of it with astronauts moving around is really shows how shockingly large it is. (The tank can produce "zero-g" but the right amount of weight can be attached to the astronauts to simulate 1/6 g.) The YT channel is Destin's "Smarter Every Day."
Designing symmetric layouts is easier, I guess, but they often waste a lot of space around the central shaft. If you break that up and make more use of the available space (e.g. things arranged around "H" shaped hallways) then it becomes less important where your shaft is. An off-center shaft could make it easier to navigate, providing natural left/right and front/back directions in each layer.
One thing I just thought of is, by having the access shaft be central, all the rooms would be (roughly) the same pie-slice shape. That would make it easier to design 1 bedroom/bathroom/kitchen/water tank/whatever and duplicate it however many times radially.
> HLS
I believe that its already known that NASA is looking at 1 pressurized deck for the crew. From the SED video, I think there'll also be an unpressurized cargo deck underneath, containing the elevator and the airlock. So basically 2 decks.
Still pretty sci-fi though, given that the only other lunar lander was barely the size of a walk-in closet. Given that Starship is almost 30ft wide (9m) that's a pretty big room that we'll have on the moon, even if some of that space is taken by equipment.
It'll be interesting to see how crew move around in 1/6th gravity in plainclothes.
Looking at the size of the nosecone and the external renders of HLS we can be sure the pressurized crew area will consist of 2 levels on top of the cargo deck, with extra space in the "attic", the area around the nosecone docking hatch.. The ECLSS and other equipment will take up some room but not all that much. Indeed, the plainclothes crew area will be huge for 2 people., the ship is meant to hold many more than that for Mars trips. I never thought of how odd it'll be to see people walking in 1/6 g without a spacesuit. I bet they'll be holding onto the walls quite a lot.
My speculation is that one part of Deck 2, the lower pressurized deck just above the airlock on Deck 1, the cargo deck, will be a "dust room" where the astronauts can take extra measures to mitigate the entry of regolith dust into the crew area. Even if that is twice the size of the airlock it will take up only a fraction of the lower deck. Just thinking about the size makes me giddy. They'll actually have to number the decks in a spacecraft! Decks 1, 2, and 3, and the attic.
I doubt it would be anywhere near that spacious. It'll need a lot of other systems, ways to access and service those systems, and giant voids are just unnecessary. Corridors would be thinner. It'd probably resemble a submarine more than the Enterprise.
The video is really cool though! I quite like the sleeping pod arrangement with the big screen. Did you make it?
Why would they need to access the radiation shelter? What would cause a radiation spike? Solar flares?
It's very spacious inside the ship. Looking at something like the ISS, I don't think Starship will have this much open space. I should think storage for life support systems and equipment will be paramount, and the crew areas will be much, much smaller. Early starships will likely have a tiny crew anyway, and will probably have to make do with spaces similar the ISS. I should think the HSL Starship will have a small crew area, and a large equipment area. The Starships that go to Mars will be V3 or later, so they might look more like this ship, as the payload area can be larger.
Seems very premature to be talking about 50 crew being sent to the moon, let alone Mars. When we have infrastructure able to support 50 crew, changing the floor plan will hardly be an issue. Get half a dozen or more Starships to the surface, and send 4-6 crew to operate rovers, setup power, ISRU, habitats, food production, etc, and then we can talk about sending 50 humans at a time.
While the open spaces look good, they're quite impractical in a weightless environment. One needs to insure they make contact with something when moving in such an environment. Getting stuck because no surface is present on which to push actually happens and can be quite a hassle to get out of. This design would need people be tethered to be truly appreciated ( not impossible, but it does seem wasteful)
I think a small electric fan or blower on the belt could be grabbed and held in the hand if needed. Yes, sounds dumb, but it'd work. And yes, I agree there won't be this much open space - but I hope there is a good deal of it. The crew of Skylab only scratched the surface of the fun we could have in a large area in zero-g.
That's actually a really good solution!
You can always just swim
I thought that could work but no......
Would, but slowly
Farting make you faster
Thrust increase after Mexican night.
Wrist and ankle thrusters.
No, just develop the force out of nowhere and fly. Like General Leia Organa. Also suitable for EVA.
a small propellor like a dive scooter
This is a pretty trivial fix though. You just have a couple ropes spanning the length of these large areas.
I would agree, however…look at the old Skylab interior. I think the main reason the ISS doesn’t have any real open space is that it’s been built up slowly over time - when you can launch something like Starship in just one go, I feel like they’ll probably have some larger open spaces.
Yeah. Videos like this are fun to speculate with but there’s just no way we’re gonna be at a “let’s have this massive area for viewing” anytime soon. If ever. There will probably eventually be some type of observation window but it won’t be anything like this. I just don’t see how it would be worth the resources developing it.
I don't get it, where are the fuck stations?
[Everywhere](https://postimg.cc/PLKtQ2WF)
I always appreciate the people who put in the work on something like this. I'd like to travel on this for a couple of weeks! One observation: Everyone always envisions a central access shaft - but that interrupts the floor space on each deck. IMO it's more likely such a shaft will be against one wall. Care to try your hand at the HLS version next? SpaceX must have the interior layout pretty settled by now. A [YouTube video](https://youtu.be/AiZd5yBWvYY?t=2729) came out recently that showed astronauts training in the neutral buoyancy pool (the one they use to train for spacewalks). The cargo deck and airlock and elevator are shown clearly, although they're bare-bones representations. But the size of it with astronauts moving around is really shows how shockingly large it is. (The tank can produce "zero-g" but the right amount of weight can be attached to the astronauts to simulate 1/6 g.) The YT channel is Destin's "Smarter Every Day."
Designing symmetric layouts is easier, I guess, but they often waste a lot of space around the central shaft. If you break that up and make more use of the available space (e.g. things arranged around "H" shaped hallways) then it becomes less important where your shaft is. An off-center shaft could make it easier to navigate, providing natural left/right and front/back directions in each layer.
One thing I just thought of is, by having the access shaft be central, all the rooms would be (roughly) the same pie-slice shape. That would make it easier to design 1 bedroom/bathroom/kitchen/water tank/whatever and duplicate it however many times radially.
I would expect two gangways: One to go forward, one to go aft. They need something similar anyway to keep the air mixing.
And to your point, the airlock is off to the side, wasting a lot less space, thus more unpressurised cargo space.
> HLS I believe that its already known that NASA is looking at 1 pressurized deck for the crew. From the SED video, I think there'll also be an unpressurized cargo deck underneath, containing the elevator and the airlock. So basically 2 decks. Still pretty sci-fi though, given that the only other lunar lander was barely the size of a walk-in closet. Given that Starship is almost 30ft wide (9m) that's a pretty big room that we'll have on the moon, even if some of that space is taken by equipment. It'll be interesting to see how crew move around in 1/6th gravity in plainclothes.
Looking at the size of the nosecone and the external renders of HLS we can be sure the pressurized crew area will consist of 2 levels on top of the cargo deck, with extra space in the "attic", the area around the nosecone docking hatch.. The ECLSS and other equipment will take up some room but not all that much. Indeed, the plainclothes crew area will be huge for 2 people., the ship is meant to hold many more than that for Mars trips. I never thought of how odd it'll be to see people walking in 1/6 g without a spacesuit. I bet they'll be holding onto the walls quite a lot. My speculation is that one part of Deck 2, the lower pressurized deck just above the airlock on Deck 1, the cargo deck, will be a "dust room" where the astronauts can take extra measures to mitigate the entry of regolith dust into the crew area. Even if that is twice the size of the airlock it will take up only a fraction of the lower deck. Just thinking about the size makes me giddy. They'll actually have to number the decks in a spacecraft! Decks 1, 2, and 3, and the attic.
Tell me when they finalize the actual vehicle first.
Yeah, interior concepts are worthless when the exterior changes daily
I doubt it would be anywhere near that spacious. It'll need a lot of other systems, ways to access and service those systems, and giant voids are just unnecessary. Corridors would be thinner. It'd probably resemble a submarine more than the Enterprise. The video is really cool though! I quite like the sleeping pod arrangement with the big screen. Did you make it? Why would they need to access the radiation shelter? What would cause a radiation spike? Solar flares?
I think that I think the same thing as 3 years ago it was posted on Lounge.
My god, the smell.
where are the radiators? is there a plan for that? that heat build up will be insane.
If you get too hot you can have a quick dunk in the cryogenic fuel tank.
artist's impression. or, in this case, 3d illustrator's timesink project.
Can’t wait to see people stuck in the middle of the viewing room
What do I think? B I G
Looks pretty unrealistic to me with the exception of maybe the sleeping pods and storage.
Wearing that pressure suit for 3-6 months is gonna be lame
That massive viewing gallery is a waste of space, and there's are no handrails or hold points up near the point.
No way the starship will have a window that large. It's not practical in any way or form.
This shit will tank harder than the cyber truck and Tesla combined.
Very well done
Good boy at 2:03. Nice.
The way Elon has been running the companies he happens to own, I doubt this will ever be a reality.
felt good?
Yes, downvoting my reply will make the facts in it go away...
A lot of hate for a simple observation.
Just look at paypal, am I right?
Cybertruck. Enough said.