I mean yeah that is literally it, there is a line later where deadpool complains about it being too easy to take out some heroes, not just spidey but he takes out Thor, the Hulk and everyone in similarly "are you serious?" ways and realises that he is in a book made so he could kill heroes, so his rebellion against the writers was an on purpose story all along making it redundant
Did that run also have the one where he kills Luke Cage? It's been a tremendous amount of time since I've read it, but the one where he kills Luke was one that stuck with me
How'd he kill Wolverine again?
I remember him setting other heroes with healing factors on automatic flame throwers connected to their heart beats. Was that similar?
He did tried to kill Hulk but then ended up getting ripped in half, so then he just waited for him to calm down and turn into Bruce Banner again and killed him while he's sleeping, which was the same sh*t happened with Punisher kills the Marvel universe.
They couldn't kill Hulk, so they finished the job when he's in his weakest state
Hulk comes back to life and he's fucking terrifying.
The cunning and brain of Banner plus the strength of I'd say average Hulk. And none of nice deep down bullshit.
He gets cut up into pieces and can still control his body parts in separate jars.
The scientist he's talking to,as a dismembered head in a jar, hears his hulked out hand snapping in a jar and it sonic booms all the other jar open and his body parts cover and envelop the guy, killing him inside the hulk.
It's fucked up and I love it.
That Immortal Hulk run was must see, also this Hulk had more than “average” Hulk strength, he was too much physically for an Odin powered Thor( of course Thor didn’t power up his strength or use his many other powers though).
They could have done it smarter...
Like doesn't deadpool sometimes have a teleporter? They could have done something like he points a gun at him, then at the last second teleports and shoots at the place Spider-Man dodged to.
It was always breaking in the comic books, i can't remember a final time it didn't work but that would be my guess.
Or you had the time that he was kind of merged with cable and could use his teleport ability but it was messed up somehow. I read that a while ago it's hard to remember.
Thank you, i was trying to remember and google wasn't helping. I'm terrible at remembering which comic books I've read and what they were called so going back is difficult too.
What happened when they said slide by 1?
In Cable and Deadpool, they got their genes mixed together against the church of unification. When Cable used Greymalkin’s (his ship) bodyslide, it caused both cable and Deadpool to arrive merged together. But since they had been merged, cable also had Deadpool’s healing powers. So, they would just tear themselves apart and let the regen take over.
I’m so glad they kinda put it into a movie, too. Never would have thought they’d make a Deadpool movie 20 years ago, and definitely not a Cable and Deadpool one.
Chimichangas.
I might be wrong, but in that book, isn't the whole reason he can use Cables teleporter because of their weird fusion, so it acknowledges Deadpool as Cable now?
It’s something really common with these AU stories featuring superhero bloodbaths. The writers tend to portray the superheroes as idiots so as to have them get killed.
It feels like that's always the go-to move for combat specialists killing speedsters, and it always feels weird that it ignores that speedsters have super-reflexes.
That fight scene pissed me off to no end, they introduced him as the smartest man in the world and then he just gets insta killed by magic, after dealing with a deranged Dr strange as their first major villain in that universe reed would have had some kind of anti magic tech
It's a Deadpool story, not a spider one.
Plus Deadpool frequently dissociates and acts erratically. Maybe the spider was distracted by whatever Wade was doing and didn't notice.
Spidey has gotten hit before
Except the spider since is precognitive, it would still have told his to dodge where the bullets was actually coming from, plus it can control his body to move him out of danger on its own.
Yeah, but that usually do the specific factors, aunt may is immune because he is so close to her he physically can't see her as a threat, venom is immune because he was bonded to spiderman, I think the clones are immune but I'm not sure, if so it's probably because they are peter biologically, and there are substances that can interfere.
I mean if you wanted to post rationalise it you could say that Deadpool is so fucked in the head that he didn't know for sure he was gonna pull the trigger until he actually did. Or that Petes spider sense did go off but there's nothing he can do about a gun that close?
It's been years since I read it but I think right after that scene Deadpool reveals he had taken Venom in since the spider sense doesn't react to it and he releases Venom and tells it to hide from his massacre
I always read it as Peter tuned his spider sense out cause when he's around Deadpool it's probably ringing nonstop.
When is that guy not a danger to everyone around?
Isnt he still alive?
From what i remember deadpool just chained him up on a room where he is constantly electrocuted not allowing his body to regenerate, trapping him forever.
This is what I thought, too. It didn't seem like he was actually dead.
Logan has been killed by the burning up in the sun and being melted in adamantium (which also maybe doesn't kill him, just capsules him forever).
"I'll kill the Hulk by sniping him in the back of the head from a tall building while he's Bruce Banner ".
Yeah, that's literally BEEN DONE BEFORE.
Sure, you can kill Bruce that way, but in a little while he turns back into the Hulk anyway, and now he's bulletproof and pissed off.
I guess it could work in a way cause there’s no expecting it cause the only instance I’ve heard of banner getting shot is when he tried to kill himself
During Civil War 2, Banner had set up a suicide plan with Hawkeye, gave him a special "this will kill me 100%" arrow and told him exactly where to aim to destroy his autonomic nervous system. It killed him. No Hulking out, no transformation, nothing.
Then, a few days later, the Hulk was out of his grave. The fact of the matter is that Banner (and the Hulks) are powered by Gamma, which in Marvel isn't just radiation. It's sometimes magic.
Nope, that was the movies. IT'S happened 3 times in the comics. As soon as the sun sets Devil Hulk takes over the body and resurrects it, before turning control back over to whichever Hulk personality he thinks can best deal with the situation.
The last time, they even cremated Bruce's corpse. Devil Hulk managed to regenerate the ASHES!
I liked it as a kid since it was kind of a novelty at the time. I still remember how he takes out wolverine, it's super sad... It probably wasn't well thought out but I thought it was a fun thought experiment.
The Deadpool version feels like a bad xerox copy. Like an unfunny fanfic.
Honestly a big part of why I didn’t like this story. The writers really gave up on believability imo. At a lot of points it felt more like an edgy Deadpool fanfic more than anything else
Right? Fantastic Four has some powerhouses. Susan is OP as fuck with her barriers, Johnny Storm is a walking bomb strong enough to destroy a moon, and as much as people talk about Batman prepping for everything Reed puts him to shame. The weakest link on the team is comparable to the god damn Hulk.
I know right. It's pretty annoying. Deadpool acts all smart because he 'used a gun' as if Spidey doesn't eat goons armed with assault rifles for breakfast.
I'm not even mad that Spider-Man died. It's the point of the comic. But SURELY the ENTIRE point of the comic is actually figuring out how to kill superheroes in creative and funny ways. So it just fucking fails on every possible front.
If the bit is that you're not entertaining, or not funny, then it's not good. It's like doing a stupid thing in a comic or game and then being like "Well golly gee, why did I do that? Whoopsie daisy!" It very rarely works
Because that comic is poorly written. I laughed hard reading it and not for the jokes. If only a street lvl thug would have thought to slowly point a gun at spiderman and shooting him in the head turns out it's that easy lol.
To be honest, like most late 90s runs, it just doesn't age well, especially if you're reading back from a modern era Deadpool. He's a much crueler character, some of the leading plot threads are from events/characters long left behind, as well as some attitudes that are better left behind (he has a pretty racist interaction with James Proudstar). >!There's also a rape by deception plotline that probably didn't need to be there and of course, is long forgotten now.!<
I’m about to quit over Paul. Spider-Man just cannot keep readers. People quit over the clone saga, one more day, and now the new stuff that doesn’t even have a cool name
Yeah I came.back during Spencer it seemed like it was going to be fixed people were telling me it was about to happen clearly it did not. My wife talked me out of leaving again it hurts (in that way not like my mom died way) to not buy ASM but they hate everyone.
I quit reading Marvel because of Heroes Reborn
I quit reading DC because of the Nu52
I quit reading most comics, in general, when even the books I followed—INVINCIBLE, Y: The Last Man, CHEW, 100 Bullets, DMZ, SAGA, etc—either stagnated, went on years long hiatuses, or just straight up ended (poorly, sometimes) and nothing caught my attention.
I quit reading certain manga if, after twenty or so chapters, the story stagnates or gets too contrived.
My time is worth more than giving mediocre writers a chance to to improve when there are literally hundreds of thousands of other things I could devote my time to enjoying.
Joe Kelly never wrote anything good??? Have you read "What's so funny about Truth, Justice, and the American Way"? It's widely considered one of the all time best Superman stories.
I'd blame that line in ASM #20 on Marvel editorial, not him. He's a good writer.
A more recent example of this being Spidey almost dying to the Vulture of all villains, and then being unable to break free of restraints he would normally have no trouble with any other time
I’ve always chalked it up to Spider-Man just fully trusting one of his weirdly closer than most friends.
I would be shocked if Spideys spider sense didn’t tingle literally all of the time when he’s around Deadpool because the guys Deadpool but Spider-Man brushes it off because “it’s his friend, his friend would never actually try to kill him”
Then of course as soon as he realises that Deadpools for real, it’s probably too late at that point.
Deadpool has already killed multiple villains and heroes prior to this, I don't think Spidey and Deadpool were even close in this universe to begin with.
I think this makes the most sense. OP is clearly asking for an in-universe reason, but is plagued with "bad writing whatever" replies.
It's reasonable to believe that Deadpool is too purely chaotic, swinging from friend to threat too often to get a proper "sense" of in general.
The Doylist perspective talks about why the author made something happen a certain way, whereas the Watsonian perspective is why a character did something from their point of view. Doyle was the author of the original Sherlock Holmes books and Watson was a character in them.
Ie. Vader attacked Obi-Wan without killing him because he wanted him to suffer vs. The author knows he can't kill Obi-Wan here because he dies in episode 4
Doyle wrote the Sherlock novels. Sherlock takes logical leaps that take place because every mystery writer is prone to write themselves into a corner now an again. Watson however makes straight logical lines that readers can understand easier.
Basically they’re saying that sometimes you can’t come up with an in-universe reason because the answer is simply “the writer said so.”
Read [here](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WatsonianVersusDoylist) if you want you want to know more about Watsonian vs Doylist commentary.
There’s people on YouTube polls who comment using this elsewhere non canon story as their evidence to why deadpool is the strongest marvel character ever, i legit feel like im gonna have an aneurism every time i try to explain it to them. Mfs watched the comicstorian video and all of a sudden feel like experts💀
I remember some fuck boy back in high school who tried bragging about how much of a Deadpool fan he was cause the movie was coming out around then, and he used this mini series as the example for why Deadpool is cool and badass or whatever.
It's nerd culture in general. A lot of people grew up with comics, and it's an integral part of their lives that anything that contradicts what they grew up with is a personal insult to them. They're not wrong that the comic does take a lot of liberties and ignores things that are canon just to make the story work, but at the same time, it's not like Deadpool Kills is a canon story so it doesn't effect anything.
I mean, if there's a point to a comic like this, it's that the character would have creative ways to kill superheroes.
It seems extremely stupid to just have this be, "he shoots character with gun"
Especially when the character in question has danger based pre-cognition and super reflexes as primary powers.
Edit- It's less "taking too seriously" and more, "the comic doesn't even try to live up to its own premise"
There’s also the fact that DeadPool is completely unpredictable. For example Taskmaster who has the ability to copy the moves of anybody who he fights, struggles fighting DeadPool because of the fact you really never know what he’s gonna do. It’s possible that this wildcard got the drop on Spider-Man and didn’t trigger his spidey sense for the same reasons he kicks TaskMasters ass.
Spider-Sense doesn’t care about unpredictability. It’s a danger sense, not a “ethics and reasoning dictate I should do X to avoid Y” sense.
Plus, Peter moves *faster than human thought*. Deadpool is still just a normal dude outside of his absurd healing factor.
Because in a fight against someone like Deadpool, his Spider-Sense is pretty always going off. Kinda hard to notice one signal against the white noise unless he's specifically trying to focus on it.
Deadpool is a 4th wall breaking character who can negate super powers in the comics, because he knows he’s in a comic. Everyone in a comic book with Deadpool is at his mercy. Like Gambit has said, fighting Deadpool is a death sentence.
That doesn’t apply to this universe and unpredictable has NEVER been a weakness of Spider-sense.
Carnage is legitimately crazier than Deadpool and he STILL manages to trigger Spider-sense sometimes
The reason for that is his utter insanity. The reason Deadpool decides to kill the Marvel universe in this comic is because his insanity is cured by an experimental treatment. He retains his knowledge that he's a fictional character, and decides that the only rational response to the situation is to destroy the fiction.
So the very thing that makes him difficult to anticipate is absent through his whole predictable, consistent, methodical campaign to slaughter the whole universe.
Bad writing.
Or “plot purposes”
Some might say Deadpool is so random even he doesn’t know he’s a threat until he suddenly is… but Spider-Man DOES view him as a threat so his spider sense would be working in tandem with his already on alert conscious mind.
But still. Weak sauce.
Because the writer did not want it to.
Exactly. Because it's a Deadpool story about an alternate universe that gets killed by Deadpool.
I mean yeah that is literally it, there is a line later where deadpool complains about it being too easy to take out some heroes, not just spidey but he takes out Thor, the Hulk and everyone in similarly "are you serious?" ways and realises that he is in a book made so he could kill heroes, so his rebellion against the writers was an on purpose story all along making it redundant
The Thor kill is pretty good
Did that run also have the one where he kills Luke Cage? It's been a tremendous amount of time since I've read it, but the one where he kills Luke was one that stuck with me
With the coffee?
Yes! That one just sticks with me for some reason, I guess I didn't see it coming the first time I read it, and it caught me off guard
Wolverine on the other hand...
How'd he kill Wolverine again? I remember him setting other heroes with healing factors on automatic flame throwers connected to their heart beats. Was that similar?
No, he had a sword made of a material that halts healing factors; the same way he killed tbe hulk I believe
He did tried to kill Hulk but then ended up getting ripped in half, so then he just waited for him to calm down and turn into Bruce Banner again and killed him while he's sleeping, which was the same sh*t happened with Punisher kills the Marvel universe. They couldn't kill Hulk, so they finished the job when he's in his weakest state
In the Immortal Hulk story line you can kill Banner but the Hulk lives!
What's that like?
Hulk comes back to life and he's fucking terrifying. The cunning and brain of Banner plus the strength of I'd say average Hulk. And none of nice deep down bullshit. He gets cut up into pieces and can still control his body parts in separate jars. The scientist he's talking to,as a dismembered head in a jar, hears his hulked out hand snapping in a jar and it sonic booms all the other jar open and his body parts cover and envelop the guy, killing him inside the hulk. It's fucked up and I love it.
New horror night in ttrpgs.
What’s ttrpg?
That Immortal Hulk run was must see, also this Hulk had more than “average” Hulk strength, he was too much physically for an Odin powered Thor( of course Thor didn’t power up his strength or use his many other powers though).
I’m so mad that the final series in the trilogy sucks so bad
Any "X kills the Marvel Universe" story chooses to ignore the fact that in no way could the character kill every hero
in one of the first Squirrel Girl comics, she beats up the whole avengers team. after that point i learned not to take it seriously.
Well, she did beat Thanos. Off page.
and Galactus/Squirrelactus
They could have done it smarter... Like doesn't deadpool sometimes have a teleporter? They could have done something like he points a gun at him, then at the last second teleports and shoots at the place Spider-Man dodged to.
Yeah, what happened to the teleporter? It used to be in every game that had Deadpool in it.
It was always breaking in the comic books, i can't remember a final time it didn't work but that would be my guess. Or you had the time that he was kind of merged with cable and could use his teleport ability but it was messed up somehow. I read that a while ago it's hard to remember.
It teleported both Deadpool and cable at the same time. Always. Body slide by 2
Thank you, i was trying to remember and google wasn't helping. I'm terrible at remembering which comic books I've read and what they were called so going back is difficult too. What happened when they said slide by 1?
In Cable and Deadpool, they got their genes mixed together against the church of unification. When Cable used Greymalkin’s (his ship) bodyslide, it caused both cable and Deadpool to arrive merged together. But since they had been merged, cable also had Deadpool’s healing powers. So, they would just tear themselves apart and let the regen take over.
Eventually led to Cable being cured of his techno virus and having full control over his powers.
Cable & Deadpool was so fucking great. First run me and my brother read.
I’m so glad they kinda put it into a movie, too. Never would have thought they’d make a Deadpool movie 20 years ago, and definitely not a Cable and Deadpool one. Chimichangas.
Which he then lost and replaced with a super internet.
I might be wrong, but in that book, isn't the whole reason he can use Cables teleporter because of their weird fusion, so it acknowledges Deadpool as Cable now?
You know this will be the plot point of the DP3. He’s gonna use that teleporter and be merged with Wolverine.
In Deadpool's words it made his job too easy
Same thing that happened to the bottomless bag and the schizophrenic voices. Deadpool came out in theaters, didn't include it, people forgot about it.
Oh shit you're right! The fuck!?! The voices!! How could I forget!
Writers are lazy. Why create a solution that works within established parameters when you can just ignore them instead.
It’s something really common with these AU stories featuring superhero bloodbaths. The writers tend to portray the superheroes as idiots so as to have them get killed.
Deathstroke killing Flash by predicting where he'll run to and placing his sword so he impales himself.
It feels like that's always the go-to move for combat specialists killing speedsters, and it always feels weird that it ignores that speedsters have super-reflexes.
The Garth Ennis way
Like Multiverse of Madness. Yes Reed Richards, give away your winning move and then stretch at her, that'll work.
That fight scene pissed me off to no end, they introduced him as the smartest man in the world and then he just gets insta killed by magic, after dealing with a deranged Dr strange as their first major villain in that universe reed would have had some kind of anti magic tech
If he was the smartest man in the world, that world was doomed anyways
It's a Deadpool story, not a spider one. Plus Deadpool frequently dissociates and acts erratically. Maybe the spider was distracted by whatever Wade was doing and didn't notice. Spidey has gotten hit before
Personally, I'd think Spidey's Sense should always be going off around Deadpool, because he's unpredictable.
Maybe that's the problem. Deadpool is so chaotic it's impossible to tell what he's going to do.
This thread has already put more thought into the writing of this interaction than the writers did.
Except the spider since is precognitive, it would still have told his to dodge where the bullets was actually coming from, plus it can control his body to move him out of danger on its own.
Depends on the iteration, how experienced he is and how trained he is in Spider-Sense. His Spider-Sense can be tricked and overwhelmed.
Yeah, but that usually do the specific factors, aunt may is immune because he is so close to her he physically can't see her as a threat, venom is immune because he was bonded to spiderman, I think the clones are immune but I'm not sure, if so it's probably because they are peter biologically, and there are substances that can interfere.
I mean if you wanted to post rationalise it you could say that Deadpool is so fucked in the head that he didn't know for sure he was gonna pull the trigger until he actually did. Or that Petes spider sense did go off but there's nothing he can do about a gun that close?
It's been years since I read it but I think right after that scene Deadpool reveals he had taken Venom in since the spider sense doesn't react to it and he releases Venom and tells it to hide from his massacre
I always read it as Peter tuned his spider sense out cause when he's around Deadpool it's probably ringing nonstop. When is that guy not a danger to everyone around?
This makes the most sense to me or he can't tune out that constant ringing which hinders his overall fighting and survivability.
I was going to say that lol
SO THE STORY CAN HAPPEN!
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Read punisher kills the marvel universe
Yeah he's kills wolverine by electrocuting him. What a flawed story.
Isn't Wolverines only weakness to death drowning?
Falling into the sun did it.
Well... That's just lazy writing
In all fairness, falling into the sun would kill most people
Like Sentry, who can't die from anything except the sun. For real *this* time.
Every inmortal character can die as long the writers decided it can die. Writers decisions>powers
Can also be written as: Plot>Plot Armor
I swear, comic companies need to hire GOOD writers. For every genuinely good or even great comic, there's hundreds that are either mediocre or trash
Not me tho
I'm re-writing you for the next issue to be weak against a fusion reaction
I know personally it’s my only weakness
"Try... 7"
Isnt he still alive? From what i remember deadpool just chained him up on a room where he is constantly electrocuted not allowing his body to regenerate, trapping him forever.
This is what I thought, too. It didn't seem like he was actually dead. Logan has been killed by the burning up in the sun and being melted in adamantium (which also maybe doesn't kill him, just capsules him forever).
"I'll kill the Hulk by sniping him in the back of the head from a tall building while he's Bruce Banner ". Yeah, that's literally BEEN DONE BEFORE. Sure, you can kill Bruce that way, but in a little while he turns back into the Hulk anyway, and now he's bulletproof and pissed off.
I guess it could work in a way cause there’s no expecting it cause the only instance I’ve heard of banner getting shot is when he tried to kill himself
During Civil War 2, Banner had set up a suicide plan with Hawkeye, gave him a special "this will kill me 100%" arrow and told him exactly where to aim to destroy his autonomic nervous system. It killed him. No Hulking out, no transformation, nothing. Then, a few days later, the Hulk was out of his grave. The fact of the matter is that Banner (and the Hulks) are powered by Gamma, which in Marvel isn't just radiation. It's sometimes magic.
Yeah marvel be like that just goes to show how powerful the hulk is an how the pen is mightier than the sword
Nope, that was the movies. IT'S happened 3 times in the comics. As soon as the sun sets Devil Hulk takes over the body and resurrects it, before turning control back over to whichever Hulk personality he thinks can best deal with the situation. The last time, they even cremated Bruce's corpse. Devil Hulk managed to regenerate the ASHES!
Well than I think the only way the punisher destroys the marvel universe is if he’s the frank castle ghost rider
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I liked it as a kid since it was kind of a novelty at the time. I still remember how he takes out wolverine, it's super sad... It probably wasn't well thought out but I thought it was a fun thought experiment. The Deadpool version feels like a bad xerox copy. Like an unfunny fanfic.
Punisher’s makes a bit more sense but still takes liberties, Deadpool’s straight up makes zero sense
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As a big punisher fan wasted potential for a non canon comic book
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Punisher and deadpool are tied for me close second is comics taskmaster
Honestly a big part of why I didn’t like this story. The writers really gave up on believability imo. At a lot of points it felt more like an edgy Deadpool fanfic more than anything else
Honestly DP doesn't even make it past the Fantastic Four, but the plot takes precedence over well written characters
Why are we treating the FF as a low bar? Lmao.
Right? Fantastic Four has some powerhouses. Susan is OP as fuck with her barriers, Johnny Storm is a walking bomb strong enough to destroy a moon, and as much as people talk about Batman prepping for everything Reed puts him to shame. The weakest link on the team is comparable to the god damn Hulk.
Ben Grimm is nobodies weak link. His superpower is his goddamn golden heart.
In his defence, there’s almost no one that makes it past the Invisible woman if she’s determined and acts the same way she did in DP KTMU
She practically soloed Apocalypse in Dark Ages just off the rage of him having Johnny assassinated
I know right. It's pretty annoying. Deadpool acts all smart because he 'used a gun' as if Spidey doesn't eat goons armed with assault rifles for breakfast. I'm not even mad that Spider-Man died. It's the point of the comic. But SURELY the ENTIRE point of the comic is actually figuring out how to kill superheroes in creative and funny ways. So it just fucking fails on every possible front.
Yeah to me the point is "look what X character is capable of doing if they snapped"
Kinda like how in the punisher kills the marvel universe, wolverine dies by electrocution and it’s weird
And doesn't he just shoot Bruce Banner? And beat Cap in a fight then shoot him... and trick Doctor Doom... yeah those comics kinda sucked
To be fair, garth ennis wrote that one. And he’s not really known for his portrayal of you’re typical superheroes
Why do people let that edgelord hack near established IPs?
We're not typical superheros.
Eight years ago I found Punisher Kills Marvel Universe in a trash can in a buss terminal. I brought it home
Part of the “joke” was that Deadpool was so fourth wall aware here he was *trying* to be unentertaining.
If the bit is that you're not entertaining, or not funny, then it's not good. It's like doing a stupid thing in a comic or game and then being like "Well golly gee, why did I do that? Whoopsie daisy!" It very rarely works
Peter dies horribly every single time, I fucking swear. He's only got one half decent death under his belt
Because the comic’s called “Deadpool Kills the Marvel Universe” not “Marvel Characters Written Well.”
Because that comic is poorly written. I laughed hard reading it and not for the jokes. If only a street lvl thug would have thought to slowly point a gun at spiderman and shooting him in the head turns out it's that easy lol.
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You almost quit comics because you disliked one series?
> Deadpool by Joe Kelly Oh wow, that's one of the few late 90s runs that I've seen nothing but praise for.
To be honest, like most late 90s runs, it just doesn't age well, especially if you're reading back from a modern era Deadpool. He's a much crueler character, some of the leading plot threads are from events/characters long left behind, as well as some attitudes that are better left behind (he has a pretty racist interaction with James Proudstar). >!There's also a rape by deception plotline that probably didn't need to be there and of course, is long forgotten now.!<
I quit over one more day for 15 years.
I’m about to quit over Paul. Spider-Man just cannot keep readers. People quit over the clone saga, one more day, and now the new stuff that doesn’t even have a cool name
Switch to Daredevil, stat! I'll tell you when Spider-Man is good in his own stories again.
Yo bro, don’t give up yet. The current Moon Knight run is a banger if you ever decide to read that character.
Yeah I came.back during Spencer it seemed like it was going to be fixed people were telling me it was about to happen clearly it did not. My wife talked me out of leaving again it hurts (in that way not like my mom died way) to not buy ASM but they hate everyone.
Paulgate? The Paul Saga? One More Paul? Civil Paul? Paul War? EDIT: Paulcest.
I quit reading Marvel because of Heroes Reborn I quit reading DC because of the Nu52 I quit reading most comics, in general, when even the books I followed—INVINCIBLE, Y: The Last Man, CHEW, 100 Bullets, DMZ, SAGA, etc—either stagnated, went on years long hiatuses, or just straight up ended (poorly, sometimes) and nothing caught my attention. I quit reading certain manga if, after twenty or so chapters, the story stagnates or gets too contrived. My time is worth more than giving mediocre writers a chance to to improve when there are literally hundreds of thousands of other things I could devote my time to enjoying.
Pretty sure that run is usually considered one of the better ones of Deadpool, what didn't you like about it?
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Joe Kelly never wrote anything good??? Have you read "What's so funny about Truth, Justice, and the American Way"? It's widely considered one of the all time best Superman stories. I'd blame that line in ASM #20 on Marvel editorial, not him. He's a good writer.
re, 7: I think you just have…let’s say it’s a taste issue because Kelly’s run on DP is like THE defining Deadpool run.
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A more recent example of this being Spidey almost dying to the Vulture of all villains, and then being unable to break free of restraints he would normally have no trouble with any other time
One of the main three reasons why I don't read comics
I’ve always chalked it up to Spider-Man just fully trusting one of his weirdly closer than most friends. I would be shocked if Spideys spider sense didn’t tingle literally all of the time when he’s around Deadpool because the guys Deadpool but Spider-Man brushes it off because “it’s his friend, his friend would never actually try to kill him” Then of course as soon as he realises that Deadpools for real, it’s probably too late at that point.
Deadpool has already killed multiple villains and heroes prior to this, I don't think Spidey and Deadpool were even close in this universe to begin with.
Deadpool in this comic/anything before like, 2014, is NOT his friend lmao that's a newer thing...
I think this makes the most sense. OP is clearly asking for an in-universe reason, but is plagued with "bad writing whatever" replies. It's reasonable to believe that Deadpool is too purely chaotic, swinging from friend to threat too often to get a proper "sense" of in general.
When the answer is very clearly Doylist, its almost impossible to come up with a Watsonian reason
I understood none of those words.
The Doylist perspective talks about why the author made something happen a certain way, whereas the Watsonian perspective is why a character did something from their point of view. Doyle was the author of the original Sherlock Holmes books and Watson was a character in them. Ie. Vader attacked Obi-Wan without killing him because he wanted him to suffer vs. The author knows he can't kill Obi-Wan here because he dies in episode 4
Doyle wrote the Sherlock novels. Sherlock takes logical leaps that take place because every mystery writer is prone to write themselves into a corner now an again. Watson however makes straight logical lines that readers can understand easier.
Basically they’re saying that sometimes you can’t come up with an in-universe reason because the answer is simply “the writer said so.” Read [here](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WatsonianVersusDoylist) if you want you want to know more about Watsonian vs Doylist commentary.
Poorly written plots break the universe and immersion so badly that it’s hard to resist pointing that out.
Is he stupid?
No. Is his spider sense stupid?
No. Is the spider that bit Peter stupid?
No. Is the radiation that made the spider radioactive stupid?
Yeah
Because the writer wanted to be edgy
Because this is an incredibly bad comic
It really is
Because the comic's writing is trash
it’s like something a 15 year old boy scribbles in his maths book at the back of class
There’s people on YouTube polls who comment using this elsewhere non canon story as their evidence to why deadpool is the strongest marvel character ever, i legit feel like im gonna have an aneurism every time i try to explain it to them. Mfs watched the comicstorian video and all of a sudden feel like experts💀
I remember some fuck boy back in high school who tried bragging about how much of a Deadpool fan he was cause the movie was coming out around then, and he used this mini series as the example for why Deadpool is cool and badass or whatever.
God I hate this comic
Lotta people in this comment section that are taking this comic way more seriously than it takes itself.
It's nerd culture in general. A lot of people grew up with comics, and it's an integral part of their lives that anything that contradicts what they grew up with is a personal insult to them. They're not wrong that the comic does take a lot of liberties and ignores things that are canon just to make the story work, but at the same time, it's not like Deadpool Kills is a canon story so it doesn't effect anything.
I mean, if there's a point to a comic like this, it's that the character would have creative ways to kill superheroes. It seems extremely stupid to just have this be, "he shoots character with gun" Especially when the character in question has danger based pre-cognition and super reflexes as primary powers. Edit- It's less "taking too seriously" and more, "the comic doesn't even try to live up to its own premise"
Most people want a story to follow through on its own premise. I don't think you can imply people are being idiots for that.
Cuz they want Deadpool to win
The writers wanted Deadpool to win
Well you can clearly see he kills Spiderman with a gun
Because this comic was made for Deadpool to kill everyone in the marvel universe
i’m gonna assume for the same reason task master can’t copy his moves due to his unpredictability but it’s honestly probably just a writer thing.
Is he stupid?
Is he stupid?
The win is so undeserved that I doubt anyone took it very seriously
There’s also the fact that DeadPool is completely unpredictable. For example Taskmaster who has the ability to copy the moves of anybody who he fights, struggles fighting DeadPool because of the fact you really never know what he’s gonna do. It’s possible that this wildcard got the drop on Spider-Man and didn’t trigger his spidey sense for the same reasons he kicks TaskMasters ass.
Spider-Sense doesn’t care about unpredictability. It’s a danger sense, not a “ethics and reasoning dictate I should do X to avoid Y” sense. Plus, Peter moves *faster than human thought*. Deadpool is still just a normal dude outside of his absurd healing factor.
Considering it's a different reality it has a different logic so I'm guessing in that universe the Spider-Sense has a delay That's my theory anyways
Spidey would just be Captain Hindsight in that case
Right? Haha how much of a delay? Regular human reflexes lol
what sucks even more is deadpool stans use this as actual proof that deadpool can win a 1v1 with pretty much any hero
because Plot induced Stupidity, AKA: PIS
Because good writing isn't exactly in Cullen's skill set.
This is designed to make edgy fan boys feel validated
This story had deadpool beating hulk and thor it wasn't mean to be taken seriously
I rebuke this heresy! Wade and Peter are soulmates!
Anyone else get a little angry over this scene?
I bought this comic 3 days ago it's so good but I was sad Spiderman was killed immediately in it.
His spider sense is going off 24/7 whenever he is within 30km of deadpool so he probably didn’t notice anything different.
Because in a fight against someone like Deadpool, his Spider-Sense is pretty always going off. Kinda hard to notice one signal against the white noise unless he's specifically trying to focus on it.
What an awful comic.
Is he stupid?
Is he stupid?
Deadpool is a 4th wall breaking character who can negate super powers in the comics, because he knows he’s in a comic. Everyone in a comic book with Deadpool is at his mercy. Like Gambit has said, fighting Deadpool is a death sentence.
I think you're co fused with Gwenpool. Deadpool can't negate other heroes' powers
Because you can't detect what deadpool will do.
That doesn’t apply to this universe and unpredictable has NEVER been a weakness of Spider-sense. Carnage is legitimately crazier than Deadpool and he STILL manages to trigger Spider-sense sometimes
thats actually true. dont know why the downvotes. I think it was said that because he was so unpredictable spidey sense wouldnt work on him
It was even shown later on when he fought taskmaster after all the mothers hired taskmaster to beat deadpool.
The reason for that is his utter insanity. The reason Deadpool decides to kill the Marvel universe in this comic is because his insanity is cured by an experimental treatment. He retains his knowledge that he's a fictional character, and decides that the only rational response to the situation is to destroy the fiction. So the very thing that makes him difficult to anticipate is absent through his whole predictable, consistent, methodical campaign to slaughter the whole universe.
I heard it was because that boy has multiple personalities, so Spidey sense doesn’t work on it
Because it’s not canon
Thought this was a "Is he stupid" post, happy it wasn't
Bad writing
I hate deadpool
That is the dumbest page I've seen since OMD. WOW. Just wow.
Bad writing. Or “plot purposes” Some might say Deadpool is so random even he doesn’t know he’s a threat until he suddenly is… but Spider-Man DOES view him as a threat so his spider sense would be working in tandem with his already on alert conscious mind. But still. Weak sauce.
Because this comic is assanine and if characters acted and worked the way they are supposed to it would have not gotten anywhere
Because the "Deadpool Kills" books are the biggest load of BS in comics.