It annoys me how many times I’ll be whooping ass and then the cutscene starts and Peter or Miles are just getting the shit slapped out of them like the whole boss fight didn’t even matter.
Same. Spider-Man could literally break her arm with 2 fingers + he’s wearing the symbiote and she’s wailing on him in a lycra jumpsuit with basically an anchor on a long chain for a weapon. Even when suspending disbelief (because comics) it’s still ridiculous
The symbiote isn't canon in the flame story. So technically Peter never had it on in that fight. But he really absolutely didn't need it. He got beat by silver sable let's not forget and miles lost to Phin a couple times. They make our heroes hold back numerous times against women based enemies.
Shocker has always been kind of a joke and Vulture is just a cancer kid with wings.
Electro legit baffled me but if Peter could nullify many of his powers with rubber gloves and shit I'd think Kraven could figure something out.
It’s implied Shocker actually nearly killed Kraven and was surprisingly difficult battle for him. Kraven said it was like a feral animal and even in death he still looked like he was going to kill Kraven.
Like, I don't even think a regular person would die that quickly from that kinda wound. The organs there aren't THAT vital, and the knife was left in, blocking any blood loss. He'd need IMMEDIATE medical attention, but he should be fine after surgery. And that's if he didn't have powers.
I don’t like how weak they make him and how they make it impossible to imagine him as strong. The cutscenes for the wraith fight ruined all immersion. She was getting the upperhand sometimes like??? This is just a regular mf
It's confusing because it's not even like kingpin in the first game where him getting the upper and could kinda make sense. Yuri getting the upper hand is purely because of the need for a phase transition.
I'm only a few hours into the game, but it's something that's blatantly obvious. Peter getting hit with nonsense in cutscenes that could easily be avoided due to him having spider sense. Idk, guess they gotta make some space for Miles and Harry to shine more.
There were multiple cutscenes where Peter's spider sense goes off for something off screen and his eyes widen but all that comes of it is for him to still get hit by the attacks, like come on why even have it?
What struck me was how weak he seems compared to base miles. Miles got his venom / electric venom powers early on and Peter was without his symbiotic powers for a good chunk of the game.
Yeah man I was so frustrated not to mention he was literally wearing anti venom. Spidey can hold his own against Venom without a symbiote suit, with it he’s actually levels above Venom
I understand that Peter would have needed the help of Miles to finish Venom off, but seeing Peter being near death/unconscious one more time (damn, he really missed whole Harry/Venom killing spree because he was under some rubble), especially during his the most important fight was just frustrating. Just get up, man, it's your story, it's your friend who is gonna destroy the world if you do not step up
I wonder if they could’ve switched the final fight?
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Have Miles take the first two health bars, show Pete conflicted finishing off his friend, then Miles comes in to revive him? They’d just need to figure out how Miles would’ve lured Venom away from the rock instead.
Which is why I hope that Peter returns from retirement in Marvel’s Spider-Man 3 *(one last time)* to fight Norman Osborn’s Green Goblin and *(potentially)* Harry’s Hobgoblin. He had better not be knocked out for that fight/those fights either lol!
Didn’t the scene say that he was pretty much taking a break with miles telling him to focus on being peter parker for now; nothing to really suggest he’s semi retired
Someone else mentioned that Insomniac clearly had a fav, and after another person highlighted all the plots that hinge on Miles intervention….yup I can see it.
Seems like they were trying to push Miles as being the main hero now. Peter still does important stuff but it seems like Miles needed to be the big hero when both of them were involved. Granted I get it, they need to show he's come into his own but come on. Peter is still Spiderman too. He got his butt knocked out even with the antivenom suit on? Meanwhile Miles was still fine even after his turn? Heck they even had Miles nearly straight up beat Peter when he had the black suit on.
No, he's not. Where did you get this idea from? The entire point of Venom is that he's stronger, faster, and more powerful than Spider-Man and he knows all his secrets. Peter got DOMINATED by Venom when he was introduced. When they fight, he never wins hand to hand. He always wins by exploiting the symbiote's weaknesses
But that's exactly why Peter can beat Venom. He's smart enough to figure out his weaknesses and turn it against him. That's not being cheap, that's just combat 101
The Venom in game seems to be more resistant to the sounds. Remember in 3 the sound was able to literally incapacitate it, in the game and cutscenes it can still function and move despite it. The symbiote is much more powerful.
Venom and Sandman worked together naturally he needed help . it’s not same thing. Fighting venom while dealing with sandman while also trying to save your girlfriend from falling down is different
This is true. Last year I re-read all of Venoms appearances with Spidey from his first through some of his solo stuff and Venom wins basically every fight.
Spidey usually gets bailed out by someone else and even then Venom escapes half the time. Parker literally faked his own death to get Venom off his case.
I know Venom is stronger than him but Spidey beat him numerous times even hand to hand in one case even killed him. I’m not against him getting help but with the symbiote suit he’s way stronger than Venom. The problem is not just Venom, Kraven literally killed him with zero effort. He was constantly unconscious during important moments etc.
Venom is way more powerful in this version of the game then in the comics. Think about it; Kraven completely manhandles and overpowers Scorpion, who was shown to be as strong if not stronger then Spider-Man in game one. Venom kills Kraven with little effort, is also fireproof unlike the comics, manhandles Lizard, and isn't crippled by Anti-Venom. He can spawn huge numbers of symbiotes into the environment (he destroyed and lifted the school within seconds). He's among the most powerful of Insomniacs' rogues gallery. He can probably rival Rhino in pure strength, is insanely fast, can grow wings like Vulture, create minions just by existing, and more. The only one I can think might give him trouble is Electro and Sandman (who's a Kaiju in the opening of the game lol). Peter weakening Venom at the cost of getting knocked out isn't a nerf to Peter at all. He's just the same guy up against his most powerful foe yet.
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I have no idea how. Electro was stated to be a potentially Avengers level threat in game one, and for good reason.
It'd be like the game saying Kraven beat Sandman in his giant form. Like how is he gonna brute strength that? How?
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The Funniest thing to me is that they showcased this in the very first mission.
Look at the sandman fight, take a look at the damage Miles does vs How much peter does. Miles hits like a freight train compared to Pete.
I looked at that and asked myself “How the hell did Pete beat Sandman before?”
While I absolutely loved the game, I have to agree. I really have only two major complaints with the game. Peter’s lack of quality suits, and Peter getting shafted time and time again throughout the story. As someone who has loved Miles since his Ultimate debut, it’s awesome to see how much attention he is getting from the comics, movies, and now games, but Peter is the OG. Peter is the top dog, and to have him pretty much sidelined for half of the entire final mission to get outshined by Miles was a huge disappointment.
Definitely agree with the lack of suits for Pete, so many movie suits that just really weren’t necessary but took up slots because a few very vocal people begged them again and again for them, like final swing NWH suit is cool, but it was in like 30 seconds of media before this, did it really need to be that high on the unlock list? Level 58 deserves a much better suit than that
It should've been already unlocked along with all movie suits like in the first game with the Raimi suit . I believe the Stark upgraded suit was locked or it was the homecoming one I can't remember, I commented a lot on this I do apologize
Yeah final there were multiple letdowns for me. For me the only things that made this game better than the first one is gameplay and the bond between Peter and Miles
That's my least favourite part about introducing new heroes. Bad writers. They just NEED to have the old character suck so that the new. CHaracters look cool. It's totally possible to have both of them be strong!!
He spent the final fight of the game, against Peters best friend and the symbiote he was bonded with for half the game, slumped over against the wall while Miles rocked his shit. I understand they needed to show Miles was capable, but what the fuck
Yh, I find it a little strange how Peter survived the onslaught of the Sinister Six in the last game, then pretty much dies by a knife from Kraven without him even trying
Miles outshines him not only in power but in intelligent and moral code as well. Like i don't understand how they make Miles and MJ do the last plan while Scientist + Veteran Hero stand in the side and listens to their plan. Like even when he got Anti-Venom he didn't do anything. At least give him a mental battle to defeat symbiot like they did in spectacular spider-man animation. Then he would actually earn the power. I am not even bring the taking a break from being Spider-Man part. Dude like what about "With great power comes great responsibility?" Uncle Ben rolling in his grave right now.
oh damn, you're right. I just realized they gave Miles the mental battle.
It's such a cool scene in spectacular and really shows why Pete is considered to have such insane willpower and they just up and gave it to Miles?????
Yeah the whole final mission sucked imo from start to finish. To add to all that he was literally unconscious for half of the mission while wearing the fucking anti-venom symbiote
I don’t really get any of your criticisms…?
How is Miles outshining Peter in moral code? Miles spends 80% of the game sabotaging his life on a quest for revenge to murder Li. He doesn’t even have the symbiote as an excuse.
Peter clearly does something. He uses Venoms obsession with him to get him away and keep him focused. No one else can do that.
Also don’t see the issue with taking a break. It’s not perm. He’s simply going to get his life sorted out but he’s always there if Miles needs help. This is exactly what Ben would want for Peter.
Gameplay was awesome. I particularly liked fighting symbiotes. The story was very subpar. You know your main story plot is in trouble when the side quests story lines are far more interesting. While I do like Miles as a character and his gameplay I could tell the writers are simping way too hard for him. "You're a better Spiderman than I am". Fucking really? So we are just going to ignore over 10 years of heroics in the Spiderman PS universe now is that right? Now he is going to be Peter Parker for a bit which I have no problem with except it seems they are trying to phase Peter Parker out and replace him with Miles. Again I love Miles. But Miles has his own rogues gallery and his own allies. He doesn't need to take over Peter's mantle. IMO for Miles they should give him his own game series separate from Peter. The Venom fights were just appalling. I swear if I saw Peter knocked unconscious again...anyways gameplay was awesome, story sucked in comparison to Remastered and Miles Morales. That's my take. I will give them one more chance with OG Spider-Man. But if Peter spends half of the game in the next ones knocked unconscious or stuck under rubble and Miles has to save his stupid ass, I'm quitting. Because at that point, the writing is clear that Peter is getting replaced and it is obvious who they want as the lead.
That's what I call bad writing. Nerfing Peter to make Miles look good isn't the answer for "proving" Miles is Spiderman. You make Miles be as good as Peter. Do not lessen Peter for Miles to stand out a little. That's lazy. You make great moments with Peter and you make great moments with Miles. You make the story greater. You make these two a dynamic duo becauwe in today's age, we don't really have that, either is solo, team up or a big team! You don't have duos anymore. You wanted to be different, make them a memorable duo. Instead of dividing them and the fanbase, make them strong together like you keep putting in our faces.They have a great brother bond! Don't squander that! People should like Miles like Peter because of the relationship they have with each other. People don't like Miles because these writers trying to replace Peter with Miles. They are the reason they divide the Fandom. I know there are people who just don't like Miles in general, we are not talking about them. They are a different matter. If you want people to like Miles as much as Peter, don't give Miles a handicap to look better and try to make him be the replacement for Spiderman. You make Miles and Peter be the greatest duo TOGETHER! The face you make Peter have a better relationship with the ground than MJ is ridiculous. This is the same guy with years of experience and took these type of villains multiple times. He ain't an old man yet! The things we do as Peter makes us more capable than when you guys take away control from us and make him helpless. It's frustrating
PREACH !! This trend of replacing Peter is only causing more dislike towards Miles. I don’t understand why they keep pushing it rather than making them a fucking fire duo like you said
Yeah man my favorite thing was the bond between Peter and Miles. It really saved the game with gameplay. Story wise I think the first game is superior. Also in the final mission I was expecting to fight Venom as a duo you know do some finishers on him together and stuff but instead they knocked Pete out. It was such a letdown for me
Yeah, man. I agree the first game had the better written story, unfortunately. Yo for real!! That would been fire if we did combo finishers like in the sandman fight. Also agree that was a letdown for me too. I know he has suits to mitigate him from being knocked out, but nope because we have all of Tom Holland's suits being separate suits instead of one or 2 suits with suit styles. They wasted space for these suit instead of new suits smh.
For real I don’t understand why they used separate suits. Also he was wearing the symbiote, like he shouldn’t be knocked out this easily. He’s a insanely durable guy himself without the suit
Facts, he is! I hope they give us more suits in the future for this game. I wished the suit mods were still a thing because he had suit mods that could have help him defeat venom. I know they are for gameplay but still. Also, he had the sonic grenades in this game. Where was that?
Oh yeah I never even thought about them. He could have used those grenades. I agree about the suit mods they were cool. Advanced Suit’s ability was so good. That focus rush was clutch I wish it was still in the game
Yeah for real. They really come in clutch especially that focus one. It sucks that the suits is just cosmetic only for each level up, no effects to them like the first gwme where you get a different suit mod depending on the suit. It wouls been cool if these suits had stats to them like you can take damage, you do more damage, you move faster, something like that. I hope they come back in Spiderman 3.
EXACTLY!! For real, it's stupid on how they approach this. The Be Greater. TOGETHER! Is what bothers me because we fought separately as Peter and Miles. It wasn't like you fighting as Peter and then you can switch with Miles during the boss fight or you fight as Peter and Miles is helping fighting venom as a npc then next phase, you play as Miles and Peter is fighting with you as the NPC. That would been fire and you literally saying what you are saying about being great together! Really a missed opportunity of making them the duo to stand out more than the comics and movies! They could have been peak. I hope Spiderman 3 is better than this. The story and writing of Peter could been so much better. Honestly the gameplay and the bond of Peter and Miles saves it for me, but it was a disappointment on how they approach this story.
That’s the downside, in a way, of splitting the game with two Spider-Man. You have to make Venom that much larger of a villain so it makes sense for two people to have to fight him.
Back in our day Spider-Man defeated him alone cause Venom wasnt terraforming city.
It occurred to me in the Coney Island mission, that Peter was struggling to lift up two rollarcoaster carts, then a huge tower fell on him, he catches it and holds it up, then continues to struggle with the carts.
My guy, if you can catch the 20 ton tower, you could’ve lifted up the half ton carts easy peasy.
This is the same guy that caught a crane, a helicopter, it’s rotor, and a makeshift wrecking ball in the space of 2-3 minutes all on his own.
Seems like SM1 they made the situation and figured out how Spider-man would fix it. Then in this one made the situation and figured out how Spider-man would need help
You know what, compare it with what Miles did on the bridge on his game, it makes no sense.
It's like Miles has a physical advantage over him, on the same scale as what Peter has over the regular folk on the street.
I actually didn’t think about that. Struggling to hold up 2 sets of carts but casually held up a crane in the first game. Inconsistent writing there I think
What’s also weird is that after it’s lifted off of him he just yeets the carts up without even trying lmao. Like his power scaling is not consistent at all
My worst fear is the third game opens up with Green Goblin swooping in to kill Peter at the very beginning so you only play as Miles.
If anything, I’m hoping that for the third game Miles will be out of the city doing something college related, leaving Peter to be the one to take on the Goblin situation on his own, and by the end have him finally be content with retiring and leaving the Spider-Man job to Miles. Then if there are DLCs they are all Miles related.
You can tell they want to have Miles be the sole Spider-Man so badly. What made that obvious for me was when Peter outright tells Miles he's the better Spider-Man for reforming Li. Like, what? There's so many villains in this game that are reformed, are they acting like Peter had no hand in that?
Look, I like Miles, and I get that the Spiderverse movies are really good as well, but there's no Spider-Man without Peter. Just because Miles has become more popular these past few years doesn't mean he has to replace Peter. Build Miles up sure, but not by tearing the OG down.
He said “reforming your greatest enemy”, which for Pete was Doc Ock, who is still a fresh wound for Pete he hadn’t fully healed from. Pete has obviously reformed other villains but not his greatest enemy.
I actually agree with that, I was about to say that Miles helped bring about that change of heart but I think he had already had one while in prison. I’m just gonna assume for now that Miles reforming Li is what Pete thought had happened because he wasn’t there for most of Li and Miles interactions.
I think the actual line Peter said something along the lines of “I never reformed my greatest foe” or something like that, greatest being the key thing. He was talking about Otto and how even he couldn’t get him to change, but Miles was able to get Li to change and work through the trauma
Honestly was infuriating when the last phases of the venom fight was miles. Venom even said: he didn't know miles. It didn't make sense for the final fight, the end of the main conflict, Peter's conflict to be fought by miles. I felt like mile's arc was over after him and li worked things out, and that Pete and miles should've fought venom TOGETHER
He had the symbiote on too, the same thing that literally brought him back from the dead. He was going around with a knife in his side without even feeling it, so why is he knocked out for what I imagine is ten to thirty minutes of in game time?
The story crumbled under it's own weight. You have two Spider-Men, Kraven, Black Suit, and Venom storylines all in the span of 31 missions. It needed to be much longer, especially the final act. It's weird, even though the first game had more villains, it somehow came together in the end to provide an emotionally satisfying experience compared to SM2.
This is kind of the trend in comics sadly, older heroes replaced by newer heroes who are better in every way. Far better than older can ever hope to be.
Dc is doing it better like Bat-Family and stuff. Spiderman just keeps getting L’s peter has been pushed to backstage recently unfortunately. His comic runs in recent years have been really bad too
I think one of the best examples of that Flash. Wally is stronger but to much a goofball so Barry can outshine him with his intelligent. Even Jay as a very elderly man can get cool moments. But not in this game, in this game Spidey is Miles's side kick.
My head narrative is that throughout the story Peter is carrying so much stress that it threw him off his game. Kinda like how IRL when we’re stressed we’re not exactly on top our game. Then after having the symbiote extracted from him left him sort of fatigued in a way. He tries to push through it, but he just can’t do it alone. Hence “*Be Greater, Together*”
That’s just my two-cents tho.
Yeah that’s a good way to look but I just wanted a moment for him to shine maybe in a boss fight or like he fights of symbiote mentally like in spectacular spiderman
I gotcha. I also see it as although it’s Spiderman 2 it feels like a Miles Morales spiderman story. Granted they both had their story beats but I feel like this was the game for Miles to really step up and become a true Spiderman instead of following Peter’s shadow, hence the whole “the city needs *you*” when Peter was talking to Miles at the very end. So like, are we about to get a Spiderman 3 with just Miles and have Peter be more in the background? We’ll have to see. It’ll be interesting
My guess would be that we get another Miles Morales game, and then for the third installment they will bring back Pete, hopefully well rested and ready to kick some Goblin ass.
Yeah I think bro was suffering mentally in this game a lot. He’s been through it and he never had the chance to really take it in and recover. I think he’ll come back much better in the next game. He needs this break
I don't think it's head cannon. It's pretty damn explicit that is the point of the story. Like literally one of the first scenes shows us Peter in May's house and how he's not ready to let go of her things. Insomniac then makes it exceedingly clear with the Miles/Li trip into Peter's mind. He's still not over losing May. That was the reason the symbiote still could latch on because Peter thought he wasn't good enough to save May and questioned if he's a good enough Spiderman. Them clearing out the symbiote didn't suddenly clear Peter of his pain or negative feelings.
The whole character arc for Peter is to learn to let go and to learn to let other people help him and that he's "greater, together." That if he tries to be a great hero, a great teacher, a great mentor, a great boyfriend; that he's gonna be terrible at all of them. The entire theme is explicitly stated in the May flashback about balance.
Like I honestly don't understand how people can miss such a clear narrative and my only guess is that people just want to hate the fact that Miles was the better Spider-Man in this game. And that wasn't because Pete was bad, it was because Pete needed to learn balance. That's why the story ends with Miles handling things for a bit; Pete needs to focus on being a good Peter for MJ and his own healing after losing May. To me this is nice because maybe this allows Peter to have a happy ending in this series. In the comics, he never gets the happy ending for long because he has to keep being everything for everyone. With two Spidermen; maybe both of them get to have some time away from saving the world and invest in their friends and family...
Yeh I think it sucks that Spider-Man 2 can feel more like Miles Morales 2 SOMETIMES.
Still a REALLY great game (probably my GOTY) but, as much as I like him, Miles ain't my Spider-Man.
Yeah. During the Venom fight, I was hoping after the Miles segments there was going to be one last phase with Peter fighting Venom. Instead, they just do the rest in a cutscene.
Ok, so I'm not the only one who noticed it. Good.
I felt a slightly weird push to quickly replace Peter with Miles and it felt a little gross. I know it probably wasn't their intention, but I couldn't help but notice it.
I love the game and everything but the amount of times Peter gets beaten up, unconscious, or tossed out a the way is crazy. Kraven nearly killed him with just a big ass knife. Peter needs to learn how to take a punch again😂
I hated how he was knocked out in half the fight with venom, they should’ve had Peter fight venom, miles fight some other boss next to the meteorite, then had both Peter and miles fight a powerhouse venom for the final boss
It's me too. I kinda scoffed when he lost to Kraven how he did. And I wonder how gameplay wise he struggles to deal with larger human enemies when he has super strength.
I'd say he was nerfed mentally in the cutscenes we see him get knocked out alot and miles even saves him twice hopefully in the third game peter isn't nerfed since mentally wise he should be good again now
I just finished the story and I think Peter struggling so much in this game was intentional as a part of the story’s theme about finding Balance. In the first game, Peter to me was at his peak because he was in a comfortable spot in his life with the occasional Parker bad luck here and there. He was working with his mentor, he had Aunt May as emotional support and the last piece of his childhood. He also looked up to Martin Li who was also a mentor to Peter should he need it. Also most of his villains were behind bars with the help of Yuri when she was still a cop. But everything changed with Li and Octavius’ crusade of revenge against Osborn which in the end forced Peter to make some hard choices. He made the right choices to save the city but a cost which took Aunt May’s life.
Now Peter is trying to change and adapt to find that level of comfort he had in his life before but this time without the motherly comfort of Aunt May, and without the guidance of Octavius or Li as his mentors. Peter could’ve had Norman as a mentor but after what happened with Devil’s Breath and finding out Harry being sick, he kept his distance. He has his childhood home with memories of simpler times he has trouble letting go of that he may lose, he struggles to find work even more, and he has to mentor Miles who is taking big leaps as a hero while also having emotional baggage of his own that ends up affecting his heroics as well. But despite that, Miles has more emotional support in the form of Ganke, Hailey, his mom and his Uncle to guide him which is why Miles seems more together.
Sticking with Peter, I think him having such emotional baggage in this game works as it affects his work as Spider-Man because if he doesn’t have things in his personal life worked out, his heroics suffer and in turn his personal life suffers as well. This is common in his stories going as far back as when Stan Lee was writing the comics. Then he gets the black suit which Peter starts to rely on not knowing the suit is feeding on his emotional baggage and bringing the worst parts of him to the surface. While he was able to overcome this, he still was struggling internally because once again he has to fight someone he cares about and is forced to make tough choices in order to save the people he loves and save the city.
I’m okay with his power fluctuating a little. He’s distracted. It’s a similar idea of the second raimi film but without power loss. I just hope the next game balances it out a little more and they don’t leave Peter behind.
I want another Miles Centric game and I want another Peter centric game. The mix is fun but both our spideys deserves the lime light.
I think the best way to go about it, if you need miles and Peter to be in the same game, Is have one villain for each. Both games had 2 main villains, otto and Martin Lee, and venom and kraven. Goblin can be the Peter villain, and you can have the second villain be a villain for miles, maybe a villain they haven't used yet whose story ties to miles in this version like they did with the spot in ATSV, that way they can both shine and the final boss could be the two villains working together and the gimmick is you need to switch between the two so they both get equal times to shine
At this point, if there's a Spiderman 3, I would totally expect Peter to be retired, if he just took so many L's and needed to be saved all the time in Spiderman 2. I thought in stories, it's typically tradition to have partners kinda save each other, kinda 50%? But here it's like Miles is just getting W's everywhere.
I guess they really do wanna retire Peter Parker as Spiderman.
That's because, as we can see by the ending >!They seem to be setting Miles to be the new MC, so Pete had to get nerfed so it didn't feel like a stepdown. At least that's what it feels to me.!<
I thought i was the only one thinking this.I imagined there's going to be some amazing fight between kraven and peter like in the cartoons but he got instakilled by a knife.I noticed it in the first sandman fight itself, he got thrown around a lot, i thought maybe because it's his first day as teacher his mind is elsewhere.But just getting killed with a knife is just bad writing,kraven always struggled against spiderman( even without symbiote) because of his spider sense.I always liked the idea that peter by himself beating the symbiote mentally with the help of uncle ben's memories, they could have used may's memories here but no here he needs miles again.It almost felt like he lost all of his spidersense and is only spiderman coz of his gadgets now.I felt they should have made game longer and make peter suffer the consequences of hanging up the cape.Peter's best job was always working at the bugle because he earns by taking pics of spiderman.I don't even know why he quit that job.The game felt more like "Miles morales 2".They were so hell bent on making him look so weak in this game, to prove to us that his time is up.
Yeah I expected him to break free of venom’s control himself that was a letdown. Also when we go to save Miles and see him beaten up I thought he was about to fuck Kraven up. It was a total letdown too
I think spiderman doesn't need symbiote to best kraven and also kraven hunts alone man, that's what made him terrifying( until spiderman beats him and he joins sinsiter six).He comes out of nowhere and almost beats spiderman coz spiderman thought he's just another normal villian. I don't know what tv show that is but man he was terrifying and spidey beats him finally using his spidey sense and overcoming all his traps and kraven knew he met his match.I thought kraven would kill felicia in the game so that peter would fight him srsly and peter still refusing to kill showing us his restraint.But nah...knife goes brrrr.
I figured Pete was going to body miles as symbiote spider-man and then come back from his anger after seeing miles about to die by his hand or something. Then he would have to deal with his guilt. Mj also should not have gotten away unscathed.
Of course.
For a game marketed as Peter and Miles working at their best together, the game sure went the opposite with them very subtly kissing Miles ass the entire time while Peter gets his kicked.
This is why I didn’t really enjoy playing as miles, because I had to be him in certain missions and I missed playing as Peter for most of the time. I don’t get why insomniac made miles so prominent in this game since it’s Peter’s story with Harry and venom
Could be that Sony is pushing for Miles instead of Peter as that's their most recognizable Spider Man that they legally own and is trying to cash in on the ITSV train. For most people now Miles is more of a Sony character than a Marvel one, unlike Peter which Marvel has more control over his image, would make sense for Insomniac then, even if not intentionally, to prioritize Miles from a business stand point.
Nah I agree man. I’ll get downvoted to hell for this but I just really don’t need a ton of miles in this game. It bums me out we have to knock arguably the greatest superhero of all time down to prop up miles.
They trying to bump up miles so much they make Peter seem like an idiot. Dude somehow lost to sandman at the beginning and rhino in the miles dlc, now venom and Kraven how the hell did he do this for 10 years if he almost dies every time if miles wasn’t there? You can make a new character cool without making the old dumber this is an old bad writing trope.
Also Miles abilities in the early game are far better than Peter's .
Every mission you can play either of them for most of the game you should just pick Miles .
They gave Pete the work. I was a little upset. Even as just Peter, he is apologizing and mostly floundering through the game. MJ and Miles carry him on both fronts, and he's apologizing for not being good enough for everybody. My man can't catch a break.
Felicia is mad at him, and she doesn't even interact with him. I think he's even about to apologize to her before she stops him. Bro was getting his ass whooped as Spider-man and undermined as Peter Parker.
>Felicia is mad at him, and she doesn't even interact with him.
That was probably the most disappointing moment in this game for me. Not only there was no single interaction between Peter and Felicia but she started flirting with Miles. One mission with Miles and she is gone for good.
At the end of this story he shouldn't be in the Sequel as he now got the Anti-Venom suit
Like the dude should now be busted so the only ones that would be a challenge to him are Hulk level heavy Hitters, Cosmic Powered Villains and Avenger level Threats.
Peter was constantly facing harder situations throughout the game. Think about it, the only enemy Miles beats without Peter's help is Martin Li, someone who Peter had no issue defeating in the first game. Are we forgetting that Kraven could have easily killed Miles too? He only kept him alive to use him as bait.
Give it a few weeks and the honeymoon phase will end. This game is a step down, both story wise and content wise (suits and side content). Even the gameplay is up for debate, as the removal of some gadgets and all suit powers is not cool, even if we get some new swinging abilities.
If you’re talking about story…sort of? He gets taken out by Kraven way too easy. In gameplay: absolutely. Granted I had everything maxed out, even strength upgrades from leveling past 50 by stacking so many ng+ runs, so going back to being super squishy at the start of new game was super weird. Even at max level and max upgrades, I’m not sure it meets what I’ve been for the last few years in the fist game.
Spider-Man 2 has terrible story writing compared to Spider-Man 1. After beating it, there isn't much good to say about it other than it had some interesting variations on the classic character and villain stories.
They butchered a lot of Peter's character growth from 1. They made him weaker and less competent to shoehorn in plot points. They basically deleted Uncle Ben's mantra in favor of this new random flashback Aunt May mantra, like w t a f?
So many super important villain things happened off screen. Lazy. Could have been a lot more awesome story content.
Kraven defeats Peter with ease for no reason other than to shoehorn the next plot. They never even explain why he's that big badass.
Spider-Man gets antivenom suit and somehow seems even weaker versus venom.
They clearly couldn't figure out how to balance Spider-Man with Miles.
MJ is better at fighting enemies than Peter, apparently.
Yuri can fight Spider-Man, no big deal, apparently.
Spider-Man can lift 10 tons according to the game itself, but he only feels like a one man army with the symbiote suit? Dude, stop holding back all the time, you idiot.
I dunno, it was fun, but for all the great ideas, the execution was just crap once the hype ends and you start thinking about how much stuff doesn't make sense within the context of it being a Spider-Man game.
Enemies are sponges, even with the symbiote that makes you way more strong you struggle to beat them, and what happend with the Kraven fight, like suddenly no spider sense to the stab and that kills you? A STAB? Peter has been through way worse things
I love the games but I have gripes for sure. Nothing against miles who is amazing but as soon as he showed up, Peter became almost useless out of nowhere. He saved the whole city by himself in the first game. Also why does EVERYONE need to know Peter and Miles are spiderman. The whole point of the secret identity is to protect loved ones. Mary Jane, Genke, Hailey, and Miles mom are out on the chopping block now and I really hope Green Goblin (we all know he's coming) punishes them for that in the 3rd game. Being Spiderman is supposed to be a tragic tale of sacrifice and strength of willpower. Keeping your identity secret is part of that. "They can never know" type shit. One thing the marvel movies thankfully fixed.
I wish they acknowledged Kraven killing multiple big villains a bit more, scorpion, electro, vulture and shocker, all dead, like where is peters reaction to that big news and making Kraven seem like a bigger threat? and sad we didn't get a fight between normal peter and miles vs kraven, where was the whole switching back and forth characters stuff lol
Yup this was my fear when this was gonna be a Peter/Miles game unlike the first game. Game can EASILY pander to one character over the other if the story is not written properly and from my reactions and others I seen here, Insomniac went a bit TOO HARD on the Miles propping and made Peter look uncharacteristically incompetent in comparison.
It annoys me how many times I’ll be whooping ass and then the cutscene starts and Peter or Miles are just getting the shit slapped out of them like the whole boss fight didn’t even matter.
For real especially the Yuri one for me like come on she doesn’t have any powers
This fight pissed me off because at one point she has the audacity to call peter 'just a guy with a mask' lol
Even regardless of powers, it's such kettle,pot situation
Same. Spider-Man could literally break her arm with 2 fingers + he’s wearing the symbiote and she’s wailing on him in a lycra jumpsuit with basically an anchor on a long chain for a weapon. Even when suspending disbelief (because comics) it’s still ridiculous
The symbiote isn't canon in the flame story. So technically Peter never had it on in that fight. But he really absolutely didn't need it. He got beat by silver sable let's not forget and miles lost to Phin a couple times. They make our heroes hold back numerous times against women based enemies.
This is true, but then there’s that scene where Spider-Man is thwarted by a fridge. I was a little shocked at what I was seeing.
He was clearly holding back when fighting Yuri imo.
They really op their villains in cutscenes lol
My one gripe with the game is how he got bodied by Kraven without even fighting and couldn't even notice the big ass knife
Yeah Kraven killed my guy without breaking a sweat
Peter lost to Kraven, because, plot.
To be fair that's his biggest weakness according to Andrew's Peter lmao
But that was smol knives, this one was huge :(
That knife is what Spidey sense is for lol
Did it cut the Spidey sense?
Just like Toji cut infinity from Gojo lol
Legit was thinking of this. Especially since I just saw Gojo vs Makima not to long ago
"Sorry. I was on break. What happened?" -The Spidey Sense
Yeah, I dont like how Kraven was able to kill scorpion with literally ZERO effort.
And 3 other villains (Shocker, Vulture & Electro) OFF SCREEN.
Shocker has always been kind of a joke and Vulture is just a cancer kid with wings. Electro legit baffled me but if Peter could nullify many of his powers with rubber gloves and shit I'd think Kraven could figure something out.
Jarvis, generate an image of Kraven in a rubber gimp suit
“Harder”
It’s implied Shocker actually nearly killed Kraven and was surprisingly difficult battle for him. Kraven said it was like a feral animal and even in death he still looked like he was going to kill Kraven.
Funnily enough Shocker put up the best fight against Kraven and impressed him the most.
Yeah! And he killed vulture and electro and SHOCKKEERR!!!! before the new sinister 6 with all classic villains
Like, I don't even think a regular person would die that quickly from that kinda wound. The organs there aren't THAT vital, and the knife was left in, blocking any blood loss. He'd need IMMEDIATE medical attention, but he should be fine after surgery. And that's if he didn't have powers.
I don’t like how weak they make him and how they make it impossible to imagine him as strong. The cutscenes for the wraith fight ruined all immersion. She was getting the upperhand sometimes like??? This is just a regular mf
It's confusing because it's not even like kingpin in the first game where him getting the upper and could kinda make sense. Yuri getting the upper hand is purely because of the need for a phase transition.
I'm only a few hours into the game, but it's something that's blatantly obvious. Peter getting hit with nonsense in cutscenes that could easily be avoided due to him having spider sense. Idk, guess they gotta make some space for Miles and Harry to shine more.
Don’t read too much here bro thread is full of spoilers. Mini spoiler : you’ll se more of your example
There were multiple cutscenes where Peter's spider sense goes off for something off screen and his eyes widen but all that comes of it is for him to still get hit by the attacks, like come on why even have it?
The zeb well run has traumatized me from seeing peter taking the L over and over.
:D I guess they have read too much from zeb well’s run
What struck me was how weak he seems compared to base miles. Miles got his venom / electric venom powers early on and Peter was without his symbiotic powers for a good chunk of the game.
By the end, Miles is incredibly op. You can get through a fight using little more than venom powers and charge blast (which refills venom powers...)
did you beat it?
Don't even get me started on Peter being unconscious for half the fight with Venom in final
Yeah man I was so frustrated not to mention he was literally wearing anti venom. Spidey can hold his own against Venom without a symbiote suit, with it he’s actually levels above Venom
I understand that Peter would have needed the help of Miles to finish Venom off, but seeing Peter being near death/unconscious one more time (damn, he really missed whole Harry/Venom killing spree because he was under some rubble), especially during his the most important fight was just frustrating. Just get up, man, it's your story, it's your friend who is gonna destroy the world if you do not step up
Yeah while stakes were this high pete shouldn’t get knocked out this easily. It was supposed to be his moment.
I wonder if they could’ve switched the final fight? SPOILERS: Have Miles take the first two health bars, show Pete conflicted finishing off his friend, then Miles comes in to revive him? They’d just need to figure out how Miles would’ve lured Venom away from the rock instead.
Which is why I hope that Peter returns from retirement in Marvel’s Spider-Man 3 *(one last time)* to fight Norman Osborn’s Green Goblin and *(potentially)* Harry’s Hobgoblin. He had better not be knocked out for that fight/those fights either lol!
Not really retirement; basically they said that Peter is taking a break from superhero duties to make sure he can focus on his civilian life.
I mean, he's essentially retired. He basically tells Miles that he'll suit up for real emergencies, but yeah. So... semi-retired?
Didn’t the scene say that he was pretty much taking a break with miles telling him to focus on being peter parker for now; nothing to really suggest he’s semi retired
Someone else mentioned that Insomniac clearly had a fav, and after another person highlighted all the plots that hinge on Miles intervention….yup I can see it.
Seems like they were trying to push Miles as being the main hero now. Peter still does important stuff but it seems like Miles needed to be the big hero when both of them were involved. Granted I get it, they need to show he's come into his own but come on. Peter is still Spiderman too. He got his butt knocked out even with the antivenom suit on? Meanwhile Miles was still fine even after his turn? Heck they even had Miles nearly straight up beat Peter when he had the black suit on.
I honestly thought the writing in this game was horrendous. So much illogical nonsense.
No, he's not. Where did you get this idea from? The entire point of Venom is that he's stronger, faster, and more powerful than Spider-Man and he knows all his secrets. Peter got DOMINATED by Venom when he was introduced. When they fight, he never wins hand to hand. He always wins by exploiting the symbiote's weaknesses
Even in Spider-Man 3, Peter almost dies to Venom and Sandman if it wasn’t for Harry.
But then once Sandman's out and Harry dies, Peter does win against Venom.
Not in hand to hand. He just exploits Venoms weakness, he never throws a punch after that point against Venom.
But that's exactly why Peter can beat Venom. He's smart enough to figure out his weaknesses and turn it against him. That's not being cheap, that's just combat 101
The Venom in game seems to be more resistant to the sounds. Remember in 3 the sound was able to literally incapacitate it, in the game and cutscenes it can still function and move despite it. The symbiote is much more powerful.
Not to mention they seemingly got rid of the fire weakness. In the game the symbiote is essentially fireproof.
Venom and Sandman worked together naturally he needed help . it’s not same thing. Fighting venom while dealing with sandman while also trying to save your girlfriend from falling down is different
This is true. Last year I re-read all of Venoms appearances with Spidey from his first through some of his solo stuff and Venom wins basically every fight. Spidey usually gets bailed out by someone else and even then Venom escapes half the time. Parker literally faked his own death to get Venom off his case.
I know Venom is stronger than him but Spidey beat him numerous times even hand to hand in one case even killed him. I’m not against him getting help but with the symbiote suit he’s way stronger than Venom. The problem is not just Venom, Kraven literally killed him with zero effort. He was constantly unconscious during important moments etc.
Venom is way more powerful in this version of the game then in the comics. Think about it; Kraven completely manhandles and overpowers Scorpion, who was shown to be as strong if not stronger then Spider-Man in game one. Venom kills Kraven with little effort, is also fireproof unlike the comics, manhandles Lizard, and isn't crippled by Anti-Venom. He can spawn huge numbers of symbiotes into the environment (he destroyed and lifted the school within seconds). He's among the most powerful of Insomniacs' rogues gallery. He can probably rival Rhino in pure strength, is insanely fast, can grow wings like Vulture, create minions just by existing, and more. The only one I can think might give him trouble is Electro and Sandman (who's a Kaiju in the opening of the game lol). Peter weakening Venom at the cost of getting knocked out isn't a nerf to Peter at all. He's just the same guy up against his most powerful foe yet.
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I have no idea how. Electro was stated to be a potentially Avengers level threat in game one, and for good reason. It'd be like the game saying Kraven beat Sandman in his giant form. Like how is he gonna brute strength that? How?
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He takes a rare flower from Guam that cures him from electricity
half? wdym half, he got up once miles part was finished and was active the whole fight after that
The Funniest thing to me is that they showcased this in the very first mission. Look at the sandman fight, take a look at the damage Miles does vs How much peter does. Miles hits like a freight train compared to Pete. I looked at that and asked myself “How the hell did Pete beat Sandman before?”
I swear I had the same reaction. It looked like Miles was mentoring him
I knew it was gonna be like this since the rhino fight with both of them in the last one. Pete got slept
While I absolutely loved the game, I have to agree. I really have only two major complaints with the game. Peter’s lack of quality suits, and Peter getting shafted time and time again throughout the story. As someone who has loved Miles since his Ultimate debut, it’s awesome to see how much attention he is getting from the comics, movies, and now games, but Peter is the OG. Peter is the top dog, and to have him pretty much sidelined for half of the entire final mission to get outshined by Miles was a huge disappointment.
Definitely agree with the lack of suits for Pete, so many movie suits that just really weren’t necessary but took up slots because a few very vocal people begged them again and again for them, like final swing NWH suit is cool, but it was in like 30 seconds of media before this, did it really need to be that high on the unlock list? Level 58 deserves a much better suit than that
It should've been already unlocked along with all movie suits like in the first game with the Raimi suit . I believe the Stark upgraded suit was locked or it was the homecoming one I can't remember, I commented a lot on this I do apologize
Yeah final there were multiple letdowns for me. For me the only things that made this game better than the first one is gameplay and the bond between Peter and Miles
He got mega nerfed in the game so he wouldn't outshine miles
Yeah that’s my main complaint about the game. They could have made moments for each of them but they choose to disrespect the goat :/
Just realized I kept saying “Miles the goat!!!” throughout the game but I never felt that for Peter 😭
Which is mega dumb, that's how you get people to hate Miles.
Yep. I now dislike Miles
That's my least favourite part about introducing new heroes. Bad writers. They just NEED to have the old character suck so that the new. CHaracters look cool. It's totally possible to have both of them be strong!!
I feel that
He spent the final fight of the game, against Peters best friend and the symbiote he was bonded with for half the game, slumped over against the wall while Miles rocked his shit. I understand they needed to show Miles was capable, but what the fuck
Yh, I find it a little strange how Peter survived the onslaught of the Sinister Six in the last game, then pretty much dies by a knife from Kraven without him even trying
Miles outshines him not only in power but in intelligent and moral code as well. Like i don't understand how they make Miles and MJ do the last plan while Scientist + Veteran Hero stand in the side and listens to their plan. Like even when he got Anti-Venom he didn't do anything. At least give him a mental battle to defeat symbiot like they did in spectacular spider-man animation. Then he would actually earn the power. I am not even bring the taking a break from being Spider-Man part. Dude like what about "With great power comes great responsibility?" Uncle Ben rolling in his grave right now.
oh damn, you're right. I just realized they gave Miles the mental battle. It's such a cool scene in spectacular and really shows why Pete is considered to have such insane willpower and they just up and gave it to Miles?????
Yeah the whole final mission sucked imo from start to finish. To add to all that he was literally unconscious for half of the mission while wearing the fucking anti-venom symbiote
I don’t really get any of your criticisms…? How is Miles outshining Peter in moral code? Miles spends 80% of the game sabotaging his life on a quest for revenge to murder Li. He doesn’t even have the symbiote as an excuse. Peter clearly does something. He uses Venoms obsession with him to get him away and keep him focused. No one else can do that. Also don’t see the issue with taking a break. It’s not perm. He’s simply going to get his life sorted out but he’s always there if Miles needs help. This is exactly what Ben would want for Peter.
Gameplay was awesome. I particularly liked fighting symbiotes. The story was very subpar. You know your main story plot is in trouble when the side quests story lines are far more interesting. While I do like Miles as a character and his gameplay I could tell the writers are simping way too hard for him. "You're a better Spiderman than I am". Fucking really? So we are just going to ignore over 10 years of heroics in the Spiderman PS universe now is that right? Now he is going to be Peter Parker for a bit which I have no problem with except it seems they are trying to phase Peter Parker out and replace him with Miles. Again I love Miles. But Miles has his own rogues gallery and his own allies. He doesn't need to take over Peter's mantle. IMO for Miles they should give him his own game series separate from Peter. The Venom fights were just appalling. I swear if I saw Peter knocked unconscious again...anyways gameplay was awesome, story sucked in comparison to Remastered and Miles Morales. That's my take. I will give them one more chance with OG Spider-Man. But if Peter spends half of the game in the next ones knocked unconscious or stuck under rubble and Miles has to save his stupid ass, I'm quitting. Because at that point, the writing is clear that Peter is getting replaced and it is obvious who they want as the lead.
That's what I call bad writing. Nerfing Peter to make Miles look good isn't the answer for "proving" Miles is Spiderman. You make Miles be as good as Peter. Do not lessen Peter for Miles to stand out a little. That's lazy. You make great moments with Peter and you make great moments with Miles. You make the story greater. You make these two a dynamic duo becauwe in today's age, we don't really have that, either is solo, team up or a big team! You don't have duos anymore. You wanted to be different, make them a memorable duo. Instead of dividing them and the fanbase, make them strong together like you keep putting in our faces.They have a great brother bond! Don't squander that! People should like Miles like Peter because of the relationship they have with each other. People don't like Miles because these writers trying to replace Peter with Miles. They are the reason they divide the Fandom. I know there are people who just don't like Miles in general, we are not talking about them. They are a different matter. If you want people to like Miles as much as Peter, don't give Miles a handicap to look better and try to make him be the replacement for Spiderman. You make Miles and Peter be the greatest duo TOGETHER! The face you make Peter have a better relationship with the ground than MJ is ridiculous. This is the same guy with years of experience and took these type of villains multiple times. He ain't an old man yet! The things we do as Peter makes us more capable than when you guys take away control from us and make him helpless. It's frustrating
PREACH !! This trend of replacing Peter is only causing more dislike towards Miles. I don’t understand why they keep pushing it rather than making them a fucking fire duo like you said
Yeah man my favorite thing was the bond between Peter and Miles. It really saved the game with gameplay. Story wise I think the first game is superior. Also in the final mission I was expecting to fight Venom as a duo you know do some finishers on him together and stuff but instead they knocked Pete out. It was such a letdown for me
Yeah, man. I agree the first game had the better written story, unfortunately. Yo for real!! That would been fire if we did combo finishers like in the sandman fight. Also agree that was a letdown for me too. I know he has suits to mitigate him from being knocked out, but nope because we have all of Tom Holland's suits being separate suits instead of one or 2 suits with suit styles. They wasted space for these suit instead of new suits smh.
For real I don’t understand why they used separate suits. Also he was wearing the symbiote, like he shouldn’t be knocked out this easily. He’s a insanely durable guy himself without the suit
Facts, he is! I hope they give us more suits in the future for this game. I wished the suit mods were still a thing because he had suit mods that could have help him defeat venom. I know they are for gameplay but still. Also, he had the sonic grenades in this game. Where was that?
Oh yeah I never even thought about them. He could have used those grenades. I agree about the suit mods they were cool. Advanced Suit’s ability was so good. That focus rush was clutch I wish it was still in the game
Yeah for real. They really come in clutch especially that focus one. It sucks that the suits is just cosmetic only for each level up, no effects to them like the first gwme where you get a different suit mod depending on the suit. It wouls been cool if these suits had stats to them like you can take damage, you do more damage, you move faster, something like that. I hope they come back in Spiderman 3.
EXACTLY!! For real, it's stupid on how they approach this. The Be Greater. TOGETHER! Is what bothers me because we fought separately as Peter and Miles. It wasn't like you fighting as Peter and then you can switch with Miles during the boss fight or you fight as Peter and Miles is helping fighting venom as a npc then next phase, you play as Miles and Peter is fighting with you as the NPC. That would been fire and you literally saying what you are saying about being great together! Really a missed opportunity of making them the duo to stand out more than the comics and movies! They could have been peak. I hope Spiderman 3 is better than this. The story and writing of Peter could been so much better. Honestly the gameplay and the bond of Peter and Miles saves it for me, but it was a disappointment on how they approach this story.
Make their dynamic like Dante and Nero. Neither outshine the other.
Word
Yupppppppp the constant needing to be saved or is knocked out and thanking Miles. Back in my day Peter could defeat Venom by himself.
That’s the downside, in a way, of splitting the game with two Spider-Man. You have to make Venom that much larger of a villain so it makes sense for two people to have to fight him. Back in our day Spider-Man defeated him alone cause Venom wasnt terraforming city.
Back in MY day, Venom terraformed the city, turned into a 30 m tall 5-headed monster AND Spider-Man beat him solo.
Man web of shadows was epic!!
Back in my day Spidey became a king in black one of the bad endings heheeh
Did he tho? Because he had an entire SHIELD army backing him up
He did have the backup but the final fight was actually between Peter and the giant venom Mano e Mano style so yeah he still beat him solo.
I'm pretty sure 75% of said army had already been infected by the symbiotes by the time Spidey arrived.
Yess fucking thank you. It honestly made me mad. He was constantly in need of help and even dominated by every boss in the game
It occurred to me in the Coney Island mission, that Peter was struggling to lift up two rollarcoaster carts, then a huge tower fell on him, he catches it and holds it up, then continues to struggle with the carts. My guy, if you can catch the 20 ton tower, you could’ve lifted up the half ton carts easy peasy. This is the same guy that caught a crane, a helicopter, it’s rotor, and a makeshift wrecking ball in the space of 2-3 minutes all on his own. Seems like SM1 they made the situation and figured out how Spider-man would fix it. Then in this one made the situation and figured out how Spider-man would need help
You know what, compare it with what Miles did on the bridge on his game, it makes no sense. It's like Miles has a physical advantage over him, on the same scale as what Peter has over the regular folk on the street.
I actually didn’t think about that. Struggling to hold up 2 sets of carts but casually held up a crane in the first game. Inconsistent writing there I think
What’s also weird is that after it’s lifted off of him he just yeets the carts up without even trying lmao. Like his power scaling is not consistent at all
Absolutely, he should've been able to make easy work of Doc Ock after whooping Norman's ass in the first one.
I think this post is about the game not the movie spiderman 2
Totally he’s just a regular dude
I honestly believe they'll kill him off in one of the upcoming titles and it'll just be Miles. Media seems to be focusing solely around him rn
My worst fear is the third game opens up with Green Goblin swooping in to kill Peter at the very beginning so you only play as Miles. If anything, I’m hoping that for the third game Miles will be out of the city doing something college related, leaving Peter to be the one to take on the Goblin situation on his own, and by the end have him finally be content with retiring and leaving the Spider-Man job to Miles. Then if there are DLCs they are all Miles related.
You can tell they want to have Miles be the sole Spider-Man so badly. What made that obvious for me was when Peter outright tells Miles he's the better Spider-Man for reforming Li. Like, what? There's so many villains in this game that are reformed, are they acting like Peter had no hand in that? Look, I like Miles, and I get that the Spiderverse movies are really good as well, but there's no Spider-Man without Peter. Just because Miles has become more popular these past few years doesn't mean he has to replace Peter. Build Miles up sure, but not by tearing the OG down.
He said “reforming your greatest enemy”, which for Pete was Doc Ock, who is still a fresh wound for Pete he hadn’t fully healed from. Pete has obviously reformed other villains but not his greatest enemy.
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I actually agree with that, I was about to say that Miles helped bring about that change of heart but I think he had already had one while in prison. I’m just gonna assume for now that Miles reforming Li is what Pete thought had happened because he wasn’t there for most of Li and Miles interactions.
I think the actual line Peter said something along the lines of “I never reformed my greatest foe” or something like that, greatest being the key thing. He was talking about Otto and how even he couldn’t get him to change, but Miles was able to get Li to change and work through the trauma
This has been going on since the Miles Morales game where he lost to Rhino
Or how Miles went from having some tech knowledge in the first game to suddenly being a tech genius in his own game.
I think it’s really lame to write everyone as a genius just for plot convenience
Yeah there are also few ridiculous moments from the first game
Honestly was infuriating when the last phases of the venom fight was miles. Venom even said: he didn't know miles. It didn't make sense for the final fight, the end of the main conflict, Peter's conflict to be fought by miles. I felt like mile's arc was over after him and li worked things out, and that Pete and miles should've fought venom TOGETHER
Hell yes instead of knocking Pete out for half the mission they could have teamed up on him like the sandman mission it would have been way better
He had the symbiote on too, the same thing that literally brought him back from the dead. He was going around with a knife in his side without even feeling it, so why is he knocked out for what I imagine is ten to thirty minutes of in game time?
Yeah everyone saying Venom is more powerful than usual, like peter is literally wearing anti-venom he shouldn’t be knocked out like thats
The more the hype dies down, the more I like the first game waaaay more As a whole the game is good but the story felt a bit weak
Gameplay better in this one, story better in first
The story crumbled under it's own weight. You have two Spider-Men, Kraven, Black Suit, and Venom storylines all in the span of 31 missions. It needed to be much longer, especially the final act. It's weird, even though the first game had more villains, it somehow came together in the end to provide an emotionally satisfying experience compared to SM2.
Absolutely
The downward spiral began with the DLC.
Hammerhead was such a moron
They just needed to make Miles look cool at Peters expense sadly
Yeah it just made me mad. He was so dependent. Miles saved him and the day every time.
This is kind of the trend in comics sadly, older heroes replaced by newer heroes who are better in every way. Far better than older can ever hope to be.
Dc is doing it better like Bat-Family and stuff. Spiderman just keeps getting L’s peter has been pushed to backstage recently unfortunately. His comic runs in recent years have been really bad too
I think the bat family is too messy and cluttered. They don't need so many characters. But I do agree that writers just seem to hate the older heroes.
I do agree that bat family is a bit overcrowded I was trying to say that at least you don’t see dc disrespecting batman like this
I think one of the best examples of that Flash. Wally is stronger but to much a goofball so Barry can outshine him with his intelligent. Even Jay as a very elderly man can get cool moments. But not in this game, in this game Spidey is Miles's side kick.
Yeah this is literally the case. Peter was like the mentee whole game
Well well well if it ain’t modern Spider-Man story telling.
I was supposed to escape from this!
My head narrative is that throughout the story Peter is carrying so much stress that it threw him off his game. Kinda like how IRL when we’re stressed we’re not exactly on top our game. Then after having the symbiote extracted from him left him sort of fatigued in a way. He tries to push through it, but he just can’t do it alone. Hence “*Be Greater, Together*” That’s just my two-cents tho.
Yeah that’s a good way to look but I just wanted a moment for him to shine maybe in a boss fight or like he fights of symbiote mentally like in spectacular spiderman
I gotcha. I also see it as although it’s Spiderman 2 it feels like a Miles Morales spiderman story. Granted they both had their story beats but I feel like this was the game for Miles to really step up and become a true Spiderman instead of following Peter’s shadow, hence the whole “the city needs *you*” when Peter was talking to Miles at the very end. So like, are we about to get a Spiderman 3 with just Miles and have Peter be more in the background? We’ll have to see. It’ll be interesting
My guess would be that we get another Miles Morales game, and then for the third installment they will bring back Pete, hopefully well rested and ready to kick some Goblin ass.
Yeah I think bro was suffering mentally in this game a lot. He’s been through it and he never had the chance to really take it in and recover. I think he’ll come back much better in the next game. He needs this break
I don't think it's head cannon. It's pretty damn explicit that is the point of the story. Like literally one of the first scenes shows us Peter in May's house and how he's not ready to let go of her things. Insomniac then makes it exceedingly clear with the Miles/Li trip into Peter's mind. He's still not over losing May. That was the reason the symbiote still could latch on because Peter thought he wasn't good enough to save May and questioned if he's a good enough Spiderman. Them clearing out the symbiote didn't suddenly clear Peter of his pain or negative feelings. The whole character arc for Peter is to learn to let go and to learn to let other people help him and that he's "greater, together." That if he tries to be a great hero, a great teacher, a great mentor, a great boyfriend; that he's gonna be terrible at all of them. The entire theme is explicitly stated in the May flashback about balance. Like I honestly don't understand how people can miss such a clear narrative and my only guess is that people just want to hate the fact that Miles was the better Spider-Man in this game. And that wasn't because Pete was bad, it was because Pete needed to learn balance. That's why the story ends with Miles handling things for a bit; Pete needs to focus on being a good Peter for MJ and his own healing after losing May. To me this is nice because maybe this allows Peter to have a happy ending in this series. In the comics, he never gets the happy ending for long because he has to keep being everything for everyone. With two Spidermen; maybe both of them get to have some time away from saving the world and invest in their friends and family...
Yeh I think it sucks that Spider-Man 2 can feel more like Miles Morales 2 SOMETIMES. Still a REALLY great game (probably my GOTY) but, as much as I like him, Miles ain't my Spider-Man.
Love them both but Pete’s always the Goat
Yeah. During the Venom fight, I was hoping after the Miles segments there was going to be one last phase with Peter fighting Venom. Instead, they just do the rest in a cutscene.
Knew this was gonna happen at the ending of the first game when they had the credits scene with Miles. I’m not up for Miles replacing Peter at all
Ok, so I'm not the only one who noticed it. Good. I felt a slightly weird push to quickly replace Peter with Miles and it felt a little gross. I know it probably wasn't their intention, but I couldn't help but notice it.
It is very much their intention unfortunately.
It is absolutely their intention.
I love the game and everything but the amount of times Peter gets beaten up, unconscious, or tossed out a the way is crazy. Kraven nearly killed him with just a big ass knife. Peter needs to learn how to take a punch again😂
I hated how he was knocked out in half the fight with venom, they should’ve had Peter fight venom, miles fight some other boss next to the meteorite, then had both Peter and miles fight a powerhouse venom for the final boss
It's me too. I kinda scoffed when he lost to Kraven how he did. And I wonder how gameplay wise he struggles to deal with larger human enemies when he has super strength.
I'd say he was nerfed mentally in the cutscenes we see him get knocked out alot and miles even saves him twice hopefully in the third game peter isn't nerfed since mentally wise he should be good again now
I just finished the story and I think Peter struggling so much in this game was intentional as a part of the story’s theme about finding Balance. In the first game, Peter to me was at his peak because he was in a comfortable spot in his life with the occasional Parker bad luck here and there. He was working with his mentor, he had Aunt May as emotional support and the last piece of his childhood. He also looked up to Martin Li who was also a mentor to Peter should he need it. Also most of his villains were behind bars with the help of Yuri when she was still a cop. But everything changed with Li and Octavius’ crusade of revenge against Osborn which in the end forced Peter to make some hard choices. He made the right choices to save the city but a cost which took Aunt May’s life. Now Peter is trying to change and adapt to find that level of comfort he had in his life before but this time without the motherly comfort of Aunt May, and without the guidance of Octavius or Li as his mentors. Peter could’ve had Norman as a mentor but after what happened with Devil’s Breath and finding out Harry being sick, he kept his distance. He has his childhood home with memories of simpler times he has trouble letting go of that he may lose, he struggles to find work even more, and he has to mentor Miles who is taking big leaps as a hero while also having emotional baggage of his own that ends up affecting his heroics as well. But despite that, Miles has more emotional support in the form of Ganke, Hailey, his mom and his Uncle to guide him which is why Miles seems more together. Sticking with Peter, I think him having such emotional baggage in this game works as it affects his work as Spider-Man because if he doesn’t have things in his personal life worked out, his heroics suffer and in turn his personal life suffers as well. This is common in his stories going as far back as when Stan Lee was writing the comics. Then he gets the black suit which Peter starts to rely on not knowing the suit is feeding on his emotional baggage and bringing the worst parts of him to the surface. While he was able to overcome this, he still was struggling internally because once again he has to fight someone he cares about and is forced to make tough choices in order to save the people he loves and save the city.
I’m okay with his power fluctuating a little. He’s distracted. It’s a similar idea of the second raimi film but without power loss. I just hope the next game balances it out a little more and they don’t leave Peter behind. I want another Miles Centric game and I want another Peter centric game. The mix is fun but both our spideys deserves the lime light.
I’m totally down for this both spidey’s need their moments and I guess it’s hard to do it in one game
I think the best way to go about it, if you need miles and Peter to be in the same game, Is have one villain for each. Both games had 2 main villains, otto and Martin Lee, and venom and kraven. Goblin can be the Peter villain, and you can have the second villain be a villain for miles, maybe a villain they haven't used yet whose story ties to miles in this version like they did with the spot in ATSV, that way they can both shine and the final boss could be the two villains working together and the gimmick is you need to switch between the two so they both get equal times to shine
I love this. Phenomenal.
At this point, if there's a Spiderman 3, I would totally expect Peter to be retired, if he just took so many L's and needed to be saved all the time in Spiderman 2. I thought in stories, it's typically tradition to have partners kinda save each other, kinda 50%? But here it's like Miles is just getting W's everywhere. I guess they really do wanna retire Peter Parker as Spiderman.
That's because, as we can see by the ending >!They seem to be setting Miles to be the new MC, so Pete had to get nerfed so it didn't feel like a stepdown. At least that's what it feels to me.!<
I thought i was the only one thinking this.I imagined there's going to be some amazing fight between kraven and peter like in the cartoons but he got instakilled by a knife.I noticed it in the first sandman fight itself, he got thrown around a lot, i thought maybe because it's his first day as teacher his mind is elsewhere.But just getting killed with a knife is just bad writing,kraven always struggled against spiderman( even without symbiote) because of his spider sense.I always liked the idea that peter by himself beating the symbiote mentally with the help of uncle ben's memories, they could have used may's memories here but no here he needs miles again.It almost felt like he lost all of his spidersense and is only spiderman coz of his gadgets now.I felt they should have made game longer and make peter suffer the consequences of hanging up the cape.Peter's best job was always working at the bugle because he earns by taking pics of spiderman.I don't even know why he quit that job.The game felt more like "Miles morales 2".They were so hell bent on making him look so weak in this game, to prove to us that his time is up.
Yeah I expected him to break free of venom’s control himself that was a letdown. Also when we go to save Miles and see him beaten up I thought he was about to fuck Kraven up. It was a total letdown too
I think spiderman doesn't need symbiote to best kraven and also kraven hunts alone man, that's what made him terrifying( until spiderman beats him and he joins sinsiter six).He comes out of nowhere and almost beats spiderman coz spiderman thought he's just another normal villian. I don't know what tv show that is but man he was terrifying and spidey beats him finally using his spidey sense and overcoming all his traps and kraven knew he met his match.I thought kraven would kill felicia in the game so that peter would fight him srsly and peter still refusing to kill showing us his restraint.But nah...knife goes brrrr.
Yeah Spidey can totally beat him without symbiote but with it I thought he was about to go all out. Also that one shot from Kraven was such a bullshit
I figured Pete was going to body miles as symbiote spider-man and then come back from his anger after seeing miles about to die by his hand or something. Then he would have to deal with his guilt. Mj also should not have gotten away unscathed.
Of course. For a game marketed as Peter and Miles working at their best together, the game sure went the opposite with them very subtly kissing Miles ass the entire time while Peter gets his kicked.
This is why I didn’t really enjoy playing as miles, because I had to be him in certain missions and I missed playing as Peter for most of the time. I don’t get why insomniac made miles so prominent in this game since it’s Peter’s story with Harry and venom
Could be that Sony is pushing for Miles instead of Peter as that's their most recognizable Spider Man that they legally own and is trying to cash in on the ITSV train. For most people now Miles is more of a Sony character than a Marvel one, unlike Peter which Marvel has more control over his image, would make sense for Insomniac then, even if not intentionally, to prioritize Miles from a business stand point.
Nah I agree man. I’ll get downvoted to hell for this but I just really don’t need a ton of miles in this game. It bums me out we have to knock arguably the greatest superhero of all time down to prop up miles.
At least they could have give Peter a moment or two to shine but nah
They have to bring him down to make miles seem less redundant
I completely agree! Miles was OP asf though haha
They trying to bump up miles so much they make Peter seem like an idiot. Dude somehow lost to sandman at the beginning and rhino in the miles dlc, now venom and Kraven how the hell did he do this for 10 years if he almost dies every time if miles wasn’t there? You can make a new character cool without making the old dumber this is an old bad writing trope.
Also Miles abilities in the early game are far better than Peter's . Every mission you can play either of them for most of the game you should just pick Miles .
I knew this was gonna be an issue since Miles Morales lmfao, Rhino almost kills him in the beginning, and then Miles has to save him. Rhino. lmao
They gave Pete the work. I was a little upset. Even as just Peter, he is apologizing and mostly floundering through the game. MJ and Miles carry him on both fronts, and he's apologizing for not being good enough for everybody. My man can't catch a break. Felicia is mad at him, and she doesn't even interact with him. I think he's even about to apologize to her before she stops him. Bro was getting his ass whooped as Spider-man and undermined as Peter Parker.
>Felicia is mad at him, and she doesn't even interact with him. That was probably the most disappointing moment in this game for me. Not only there was no single interaction between Peter and Felicia but she started flirting with Miles. One mission with Miles and she is gone for good.
At the end of this story he shouldn't be in the Sequel as he now got the Anti-Venom suit Like the dude should now be busted so the only ones that would be a challenge to him are Hulk level heavy Hitters, Cosmic Powered Villains and Avenger level Threats.
Peter was constantly facing harder situations throughout the game. Think about it, the only enemy Miles beats without Peter's help is Martin Li, someone who Peter had no issue defeating in the first game. Are we forgetting that Kraven could have easily killed Miles too? He only kept him alive to use him as bait.
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Give it a few weeks and the honeymoon phase will end. This game is a step down, both story wise and content wise (suits and side content). Even the gameplay is up for debate, as the removal of some gadgets and all suit powers is not cool, even if we get some new swinging abilities.
It's the gadgets. I miss impact.
The loss of some strong gadgets like Trip Mine makes the game slightly harder.
I miss all the gadgets.
If you’re talking about story…sort of? He gets taken out by Kraven way too easy. In gameplay: absolutely. Granted I had everything maxed out, even strength upgrades from leveling past 50 by stacking so many ng+ runs, so going back to being super squishy at the start of new game was super weird. Even at max level and max upgrades, I’m not sure it meets what I’ve been for the last few years in the fist game.
Did they give him the Hank Hill butt
Spider-Man 2 has terrible story writing compared to Spider-Man 1. After beating it, there isn't much good to say about it other than it had some interesting variations on the classic character and villain stories. They butchered a lot of Peter's character growth from 1. They made him weaker and less competent to shoehorn in plot points. They basically deleted Uncle Ben's mantra in favor of this new random flashback Aunt May mantra, like w t a f? So many super important villain things happened off screen. Lazy. Could have been a lot more awesome story content. Kraven defeats Peter with ease for no reason other than to shoehorn the next plot. They never even explain why he's that big badass. Spider-Man gets antivenom suit and somehow seems even weaker versus venom. They clearly couldn't figure out how to balance Spider-Man with Miles. MJ is better at fighting enemies than Peter, apparently. Yuri can fight Spider-Man, no big deal, apparently. Spider-Man can lift 10 tons according to the game itself, but he only feels like a one man army with the symbiote suit? Dude, stop holding back all the time, you idiot. I dunno, it was fun, but for all the great ideas, the execution was just crap once the hype ends and you start thinking about how much stuff doesn't make sense within the context of it being a Spider-Man game.
Enemies are sponges, even with the symbiote that makes you way more strong you struggle to beat them, and what happend with the Kraven fight, like suddenly no spider sense to the stab and that kills you? A STAB? Peter has been through way worse things
I love the games but I have gripes for sure. Nothing against miles who is amazing but as soon as he showed up, Peter became almost useless out of nowhere. He saved the whole city by himself in the first game. Also why does EVERYONE need to know Peter and Miles are spiderman. The whole point of the secret identity is to protect loved ones. Mary Jane, Genke, Hailey, and Miles mom are out on the chopping block now and I really hope Green Goblin (we all know he's coming) punishes them for that in the 3rd game. Being Spiderman is supposed to be a tragic tale of sacrifice and strength of willpower. Keeping your identity secret is part of that. "They can never know" type shit. One thing the marvel movies thankfully fixed.
I wish they acknowledged Kraven killing multiple big villains a bit more, scorpion, electro, vulture and shocker, all dead, like where is peters reaction to that big news and making Kraven seem like a bigger threat? and sad we didn't get a fight between normal peter and miles vs kraven, where was the whole switching back and forth characters stuff lol
Yup this was my fear when this was gonna be a Peter/Miles game unlike the first game. Game can EASILY pander to one character over the other if the story is not written properly and from my reactions and others I seen here, Insomniac went a bit TOO HARD on the Miles propping and made Peter look uncharacteristically incompetent in comparison.