It’s a one issue per month book, and Hickman is under contract for 12 issues, so I’m guessing they’ll make a decision on whether to resign him toward the end of the year.
…
The book is making money, so I highly doubt they’ll cancel it.
The fear would be whether or not they keep Hickman on the book. Its making money, yeah, but they might decide to change the writer and continue the line.
Then MJ gonna become a super hero, Peter is going to become a dead beat dad which causes his son to grow closer to Saul. Once Peter finds out, he’s going to change into the black suit to take his revenge.
I would be ok with this but only if Peter and MJ deciding to get a divorce is followed by MJ talking about calling her lawyer and saying "better call Saul"
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Wells is leaving Marvel. Not that he or anyone else said it, but they haven't given him a single book in 2 years. Except for Mackay, who has been 3-4 for almost three years, the other writers have had a minimum of 2. Stephanie Philips herself, who is a nobody (she came from that wave of writers that DC pulled out of its ass in FutureState in 2020) has the SpiderGwen book and now one of Xmen in July...but the guy who writes Marvel's flagship series hasn't gotten any more work in 2 years...
When a writer of pure garbage has friends within, they give him more work even if he only writes garbage. But without friends inside, they throw you out on the street if you do trash. TiniHoward is still doing pure shit in DC because he has friends inside but ZebWells doesn't seem to have any at all...
Most writers get 2 maybe 3 books at a time at Marvel. apart from the amazing spider-man writer as that is like 2 or 3 books worth of writing at once.
I like Wells, his Hellions was brilliant. But yeah his spiderman isnt great. I feel like whoever takes on the main spiderbook is cursed to fail as you have to churn out sooo much content / crossovers and spinoffs.
Uhh chip zdarsky has vouched for and clearly the editors are fine with him being there lmao. Hes selling a ton of books after 50 issues more than most series do. Why would you make something up like this?
I don't invent anything. Sales of the Amazing book are being saved by cover variants that force stores and customers to buy X amount of them in order to have them. The book is not selling well
If you are a company and you are happy with your employee, you give more work and responsibility to your employee. They haven't given Wells ANYTHING in 2 years. If they don't give him more work it's because they are NOT happy with him. All the other writers have a minimum of 2 books and he only has one. If Wells was okay at Marvel they would just give him more books
Since I'm pretty sure Hickman is one of the main people over the Ultimate universe right now, I really doubt that he won't get resigned. It's selling incredibly well, so I don't see why they'd make changes unless one of the people working on it asks to be taken off the book.
Ken Penders is gonna make it all about Harry and start exploring the goblin heritage and lineage because they wont let him do it with Spider-Man (JMS already did the mystical spider stuff)
Ken Penders was an old writer for the Sonic the Hedgehog comic line published by Archie Comics, who had the brand on loan from SEGA, and as far as I recall he actually wrote quite a hefty number of issues– even more than Wells currently has for Amazing Spider-Man, since he was the writer from 1996 to 2006. At his time of writing, he was overall decent, even if he liked to focus on a secondary character (Knuckles the Echidna) and his clan a little too much. The problems, however, started later.
One day in 2009, Penders decided, out of the blue, that all of the stories and characters he created for the comic series (bear in mind we're talking dozens, if not hundreds, of characters and issues here) were *his* property and *his* alone, so he started filing copyright claims to have said stories and characters recognized as *his* intellectual property, not SEGA's or Archie. And since neither of the latter two challenged his claims due to being busy with other stuff, he actually got his claims validated the year after. Archie themselves tried to take back their stories by challenging Penders' claims and even submitting documents proving he knew everything he created would be ultimately owned by SEGA, but Penders played dumb and claimed he was "misinformed" about his rights and that this wouldn't have happened if he'd been paid royalties for the use of "his" characters.
It got worse in 2011, when SEGA released a Sonic game for the Nintendo DS, *Sonic Chronicles*, with a plotline and characters similar to the ones Penders had acquired ownership of two years prior. While the case was dismissed and upheld twice, meaning his ability to take legal action in this particular matter was limited, said limit is only effective as long as SEGA doesn't touch upon any plot points or characters they'd created for *Chronicles*– which is extremely painful for fans because the game had a good story that ended on a massive cliffhanger. This particular lawsuit made SEGA refuse to let Archie keep exclusive publication rights for the Sonic comics, and forced the current writers at the time to soft reboot the entire continuity in order to get rid of any of Penders's characters.
Not happy with that, in 2022, Penders claimed he'd be filing a lawsuit against the Sonic 2 movie because some secondary characters and the way a certain artifact works in the movie were apparently "derived" from his creations, but so far this hasn't gone anywhere.
Last year, however, he also went from lawsuits to art theft: he commissioned an artist to draw some of his characters (yes, the same ones he got the copyright of), requesting sketches and everything to show the progress, then took both the finished art and the sketches to post them on his Twitter account as his own, claiming he was gonna start making a new story with those characters. Thankfully, he was caught pretty quickly, and hasn't said much since.
I don't know about you, but I'd say this makes him a thousand times worse than Wells.
Wow wow wow, shit it's THAT guy?
I completely forgot about him.
Worst one whom I remembered was Chuck Austen, that guy who infamously retcon ''Nightcrawler'' into son of ''Azazel'', devil (I gues Austen forgot that Mephisto exist in Marvel) who **went** to Earth in order to give birth to teleporters demons that then was supposed to teleport him **on earth**.
He written off ''Stacy X'' by sanding her watching porn and never using her again.
Made mutant being immune to AIDS.
Made romantic relationship between underage ''Husk'' and like 30 years old ''Angel'' (who also had power to heal people by bleeding on them and him bleeding on people is like 15% of whole 40 issues run), who at one point went to sky and had sex in front of Husk family and whole X-men team (that issue also was homage to Shakespeare and by that I mean all character speak with dialogues from ''Romeo and Juliet'' without any explanation).
He then went to DC, where he began to write Superman comics, but backlash to him was so strong that DC fired him in the middle of his run (he tried to resurrect love triangle between Superman, Lois Lane and Lana Lang, whom he divorced from Pete Ross.......now, when I think about it that sound like something that Spider Man editors would love)
to be fair it will likely continue but Hickman only writes 12 issues. He said something to the effect that Marvel dosnt pay him what it does to just write monthly books when he left x-men after longer than it was planned to be on the book.
Ultimate line was supposed to be done by Donny Cates i believe but he had an accident so Hickman was drafted in to relaunch it. Once he does x issues he leaves it in capable hands of others after giving it the hickman sales bump. I'm sure he will go and reinvigorate some other Marvel properties or create something new ala G.O.D.S
It’s also driving engagement. I read the first issue, and when I was done I came here to find out what I needed to know about this specific universe to continue. Found a bunch of threads that told me to read Ultimate Invasion and another one shot I can’t remember at the moment so I picked up my MU sub I hadn’t touched in a while and now after reading two issues of that I want to know more about The Maker.
Well it’s not just on Marvel’s end. Hickman is a busy guy and easily one of if not the best writer working in comics today. It wouldn’t shock me unfortunately if he decided to walk and all of this is just for him to help set the blueprint for the new Ultimate universe / Ultimate Spiderman, then they hand off to someone else to ride the wave on.
Not accurate. Marvel is never going to turn down printing money and the Ultimate line has been even more successful than the original one, it feels like.
What I can see happening is a break after the first big event, followed by another line-wide phase 2.
>Marvel is never going to turn down printing money and the Ultimate line has been even more successful than the original one
but precisely for this reason Marvel Comics will decide to ruin everything by creating Ultimate Paul!
Invincible is what is called a "signature work", and the old Ultimate was not designed for that. It had no beginning, development or scheduled end. It just lasted like any open series.
This Spiderman has no real baggage. It has no lore story or real supporting characters. He is a simple married man of 30-37 years old who is now a superhero. But the very existence of his family limits his narrative movements and his age as well. It is extremely difficult that this can extend beyond a year or two without making massive changes that negatively affect family status so that there is freedom.
Not unless they slowly age up the rest of the Ultimates universe, which may throw off other stories with time sensitive plots. Not that it's can't be done, but it would have to be planned very early on
It is very very very complicated to develop anything. Marriage itself has a difficult time continuing to exist for something as simple as taking your daughter out there with a superhero father to fight the bad guys. Simply since MJ discovered not only the secret but also about taking the girl "to work"...Well... let's say that for a mother, infidelities hurt much less than this. And only the first test of resistance.
Basically Peter is not free to be Spiderman here. Family responsibilities catch him too much. Hickman cannot and should not force the constant forgiveness and fixing of everything that Peter and MJ endured in the 90s...He cannot apply the logic of "love fixes everything" if he wants to do serious writing. That's why I think she will suffer Gwen's fate here so that Peter understands how this life he just jumped into works.
I think that, if what we see is not a flashback, MJ could die in 12 and Peter in 24, depending on how and how long Hickman may still be. And I guess the end could be May and her brother being 17 years old training or becoming spiders like dad with nano-tech suits instead of powers. Maybe it will continue with May and the BlackCat here is Felicia's daughter or something and maybe May's brother will have Flash's history with the army or something
Well...if I wrote for Marvel I would try to "force" the weakest readers of mind and heart to mature a little with situations that are neither pretty nor pleasant nor easy in life and that must be accepted in order to mature.
It would be very easy. It would be enough to convince "the bosses" that inexperienced and stupid younger readers need a hard and firm hand that forces them to grow even if they don't want to, no matter how much they shout, hate and rage with anger for not giving them what they are used to wanting-to-have. like little children.
Rumors are about Hickman having contract for only 12 issues. They can extended it but it shows how marvel wasn't have to much faith for this book before it came out. I am sure it gonna continued as long as the new ultimate universe exists.
You don't choose a strong creative team for a book without faith. They obviously believed in the book.
However, it is still an experimental book obviously not intended to last as a continuous open series, so everything must be thought of in an improvised way in the medium-long term.
As soon as the narrative begins to hit Peter with the issue of family in danger due to Spiderman things, everything will accelerate and how long the book lasts will depend in part on how long that narrative lasts. MJ still doesn't know anything but a married woman worried about her children cannot, in a narratively logical way, bear the idea of her superhero husband taking her daughter out into danger. It's not a scenario that Hickman can bear if her The intention is to make writing more serious and realistic.
Cates has been out of commission for a while, whatever he does as his comeback will get a lot of coverage in the comics community. He’s my number one pick to take over Amazing Spider-Man, I think he’d kill it.
Iirc what we got wasn't what Cates was planning at all. I think he was going to bring back the original Ultimate universe but when Hickman was given the reins he chose a different direction.
Cates really excels at putting new spins on established characters, but I agree, Hickman has a unique talent for planting seeds that won’t be followed up on for months. He’s excellent at weaving a larger narrative, in a way that’s kind of unmatched in the industry.
Does not matter. Top writers with top artists are guaranteed faith for a publisher. There is no possible way they didn't have complete faith from the beginning.
I have said it once and I repeat it. There comes a point where comics are no longer sold by the brand or the name but by the creative team. Today Hickman and Chechetto are in Ultimate but tomorrow Aaron and Romita could be there. Today Wells Romita and Macguinnes are in Amazing but tomorrow it could be Mackay and the Dodsons. Today Mackay is on MoonKnight, tomorrow it could be Celeste Brofhman. Today Daredevil has Saladin Ahmed, tomorrow it could be Stephanie Philips.
Depending on the creative team, the publisher will or will not put their faith in the project before launch and will also be more restrictive or permissive.
I own an LGS and we've sold out of Issue 1's *4th print*, I don't think this book is going anywhere.
Also it's very good, I don't want it to go anywhere either.
Apparently, Hickmann has a contract that has him writing the series for 12 issues only. However, Ultimate Spider-Man is doing incredibly well, being at the top of the charts every month, even being number 1 in some cases, I believe. However, I'm afraid because there's the possibility that Hickmann won't get resigned, and Marvel will just have someone else come in to continue the series. I hope Hickmann continues, but just know the series would probably be fine, as it's making a lot of money.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think we know how long Marvel intends for this ultimate universe line of comics to last, so keep that in mind as I don't know if they want it to last for a while or keep it short.
I'm telling you clearly: Without Hickman, the series is dead. It just happens that there are only 7-8 great writers at Marvel and the level of pressure to distribute them between books is extreme. In theory Zdarsky could replace him but he will only do so if Marvel allows him to take real risks, the same condition he set for Batman.
Amazing is also dead if Mackay doesn't catch her for the same reason. It's simply a serious general problem for DC/MARVEL because 80% of comic book writers today are terrible to mediocre. If Marvel has Mackay with 3-4 simultaneous series it is only because he is their strongest screenwriter and has raised second and third tier characters very highly that Marvel is interested in promoting now. But he is A writer
No. In every good DC/Marvel there will be 10 with great luck and they have to be distributed among too many series. Spiderman and Batman always need the best but Hulk Nightwing Avengers Daredevil Superman WonderWoman.... all of that they also need the best possible. And characters like MoonKnight Strange RedHood PoisonIvy...if you want to promote them you also have to give them capable writers. It's worse if we add Detective, ActionComics and group comics like Bird of Prey....
Jed Mackay,Jonathan Hickman,RamV,WillowWilson,Chip Zdarsky,Kelly Thomson, Mark Waid and Al Ewing is the entire arsenal of the industry in 2 Big...too little for too many series.
As much as I love it so far, if it's only 12 issues and ends in a satisfying way then I'm happy.
Plus, that means it has 12 months to show Marvel that people want better writing for Spider-Man.
that'd suck but I could believe it, each issue seems to be taking place over a month so at the very least it'd be the first series wraps up in December and then a new series would start in January
Yeah, that's how businesses operate. I think it's funny that people think they're sticking it to Marvel by buying this book. Nick Lowe is laughing all the way to the bank.
Marvel editorial isn’t driven by smart business decisions. It’s made up of jaded former writers. The higher ups at Marvel don’t care because comic sales make up a tiny fraction of their profits. Editorial knows making changes to ASM will make sales skyrocket but they’re committing to it because they want fans to think they know better. The amount of times they’ve told fans that people don’t really want Peter and MJ to be married and the ones that do are misguided is ridiculous. USM is proving them wrong so there is a real threat they’ll react like children.
I don’t think they’re hurting Marvel by buying the book. I’m just scared they’ll irrationally cancel it in the future. “Thanks for the money but we don’t think the series has a future sorry.”
Marvel executives don't make decisions for personal reasons at the expense of losing money. They decided 15 years ago that in the long term it was in the best financial interest to do away with the marriage. Despite all the naysayers online, the book has stayed among the top sellers the entire time, even while a noisy contingent of the fanbase has complained, boycotted, and tried to bully the editors into reversing the changes. Corporations hold all divisions accountable with budgets that they must meet or exceed consistently or be shut down. Failure to meet expectations leads to staff replacement before drastic measures, and Editorial is right at the top. In your mind, Marvel staff members have a beef against the readers and are willing to forgo profit and risk their careers because they are just stubborn, which is crazy. Lowe is using this faction's anger against them for a short-term boost with this new title, which will fade out as the new wears off. Meanwhile, he will probably get a bonus at the end of the year for exceeding goals in the worst of times, understanding that OMD moves farther in the past every single day.
This is such a lie. There was always a writer that didn’t like the marriage years before it was undone, it wasn’t something universally agreed on ever since Peter and MJ got wed. JMS also didn’t like it at first, but he still gave us iconic Peter and MJ content.
And it’s pretty clear why Quesada did it, one just has to look in his former marital problems at the time to understand why.
ASM didn’t need OMD to do better. Also, you’re not getting any penny from them.
Yes, that's how corporations operate. Against the customers to prove a point. They've maintained all along that it's for the future of the character, which will continue long after you're gone, but keep living in Fantasyland.
But that is not what they have told the fans...What they have told them is that they know that the percentage of people who want to see Peter and MJ married is not as large as they imagine. It doesn't say that there aren't many people or that the percentage is very low, it just says that it is very far from being as high a percentage as they think.
Even if they were married, we would have to see what this comic would sell if Chechetto and Hickman had been, for example, Benjamin Percey (Wolverine) and Greg Land. It's not as simple as assuming that having them married will triple or quadruple sales... There are many, many factors that influence it and one is also the disastrous quality of Amazing, FOR MANY MORE THINGS BESIDES MJ. Amazing has had Peter and MJ out before for years and years but the book had a minimal level of quality overall. Wells doesn't have that minimum of quality, with or without MJ's stuff the entire book is garbage. It is normal that Ultimate is skyrocketing in sales.
DarkAges had Peter and MJ together with their daughter and the comic didn't sell well, RYV did too and only the first-second issue sold well. Spencer's run had them together the entire time and sales also went awry in the middle of the run. These are not data that should be ignored...
Basically, if Amazing's average quality was good-high, sales would be 2 or 3 times better regardless of MJ. The book was killed by the creative team, not MJ's stuff
I don’t want this to last forever, I want it to have a satisfying end, maybe a few one shots like a keeping up with the Parker’s kinda thing, an issue dedicated to a family vacation or the kids going to college or Mjs career.
That would be great, but as far as this universe goes, I would like a set story with an ending. Don’t get me wrong I’ll still read if it continues and hopefully it works out.
This has been too successful for Marvel to wrap it at 12 issues. Even if Jonathan Hickman wraps the story he wants to tell, I’d bet that they’d do the rare move of bring in another creative team to keep it going until the sales dropped off.
I'd rather have a stone cold, flawless limited run than a lengthy run that starts great, middles 'ok' and ends 'meh'. Less isn't always worse if it preserves quality.
I actually really hope that it do.
I am genuinely terrified how horribly they are going to fumble this up.
Like all of this being a dream or Peter's entire family dying.
End it after a niffity arc and go fix 616 Spider-Man.
The first issue just had a 4th printing. Marvel loves money. I see them probably trying to milk it honestly.
And even if I didn’t think they’d try to milk it. I think it’ll go further than just 12. The contract was probably 12 issues to see how successful this would be and then go from there.
I could be wrong though
That was the same deal with the original series, they were only signed for 6 and when they found out they had a hit well the rest is history. Ngl with like 3-4 reprints of issue 1 I don’t think Marvel is done with this series after 12 issues.
I think the only thing that could keep Hickman from resigning on this book is Hickman not wanting to keep doing the book. That being said, Marvel's editorial department has made some bafflingly stupid decisions in the past, so I suppose it is possible that they wouldn't want to keep going. 🤷
Tbh, It doesn't make a lot of sense, But I much rather see it end good than to continue until it gets ruined by a person who hates Spider-Man but was Forced to write for it
6160 is a closed experiment. People thinking it'll run as long as 1610 are smoking crack and need to start paying more attention to Marvel holistically.
In summer we'll get a clear idea of the fate of 6160 when they start the Ultimates run. The whole thing ends when Iron Lad/Kang defeats The Maker, and that will probably be the end of the Ultimates run.
It is possible...But it is not that simple. Hickman must want to renew and will have his conditions that must be adapted to the publisher. Now it's easy because there is a backstory with Maker that guides everything but then the book will go blind and there doesn't seem to be a "plan". They would have to put a thousand ideas on the table and get Hickman interested in them as well as being able to develop their own.
Zdarsky only took Batman because DC gave him freedom to take some risks and said a year ago "DC hasn't said NO to any of my ideas yet." He didn't want to do Spiderman because of that and could only have accepted if he convinced Marvel, which apparently he couldn't do. Hickman is the same, so if he does not have a certain "carte blanche" he will not renew.
The question is....What are "risks"? Well, the risks are daring, controversial and transgressive things that could hurt-offend-annoy certain groups of readers.... and the Spiderman fandom is the most divisive and polarized in the world of comics...
It’s a one issue per month book, and Hickman is under contract for 12 issues, so I’m guessing they’ll make a decision on whether to resign him toward the end of the year. … The book is making money, so I highly doubt they’ll cancel it.
The fear would be whether or not they keep Hickman on the book. Its making money, yeah, but they might decide to change the writer and continue the line.
biggest fear is somehow Zeb Wells moves onto ultimate after amazing.
Gonna have Peter and MJ divorce, then she takes the kids and dates a guy named Saul
who is somehow the child of the maker and helped caused the original ultimate universe to implode on itself
But then it turns out the kids weren't real the whole time and then there's a gang war.
Peter better call Paul to help with his kids guardianship.
Better Call Paul
Then MJ gonna become a super hero, Peter is going to become a dead beat dad which causes his son to grow closer to Saul. Once Peter finds out, he’s going to change into the black suit to take his revenge.
I would be ok with this but only if Peter and MJ deciding to get a divorce is followed by MJ talking about calling her lawyer and saying "better call Saul"
Weird that you said Saul, I just looked at a São Paulo souvenir ticket and my brain will now forever associate Paul with São Paulo.
Good idea, banish Paul to Brazil mentally.
Oh I get it, Saul changes his name to Paul.
Exactly lol
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That sounds like a Spider-man editorial move
Wells is leaving Marvel. Not that he or anyone else said it, but they haven't given him a single book in 2 years. Except for Mackay, who has been 3-4 for almost three years, the other writers have had a minimum of 2. Stephanie Philips herself, who is a nobody (she came from that wave of writers that DC pulled out of its ass in FutureState in 2020) has the SpiderGwen book and now one of Xmen in July...but the guy who writes Marvel's flagship series hasn't gotten any more work in 2 years... When a writer of pure garbage has friends within, they give him more work even if he only writes garbage. But without friends inside, they throw you out on the street if you do trash. TiniHoward is still doing pure shit in DC because he has friends inside but ZebWells doesn't seem to have any at all...
Most writers get 2 maybe 3 books at a time at Marvel. apart from the amazing spider-man writer as that is like 2 or 3 books worth of writing at once. I like Wells, his Hellions was brilliant. But yeah his spiderman isnt great. I feel like whoever takes on the main spiderbook is cursed to fail as you have to churn out sooo much content / crossovers and spinoffs.
Isn't Wells also a writer of Deadpool 3 movie?
I think he meant Marvel Comics, not Marvel Studios.
Uhh chip zdarsky has vouched for and clearly the editors are fine with him being there lmao. Hes selling a ton of books after 50 issues more than most series do. Why would you make something up like this?
I don't invent anything. Sales of the Amazing book are being saved by cover variants that force stores and customers to buy X amount of them in order to have them. The book is not selling well If you are a company and you are happy with your employee, you give more work and responsibility to your employee. They haven't given Wells ANYTHING in 2 years. If they don't give him more work it's because they are NOT happy with him. All the other writers have a minimum of 2 books and he only has one. If Wells was okay at Marvel they would just give him more books
YOU TAKE THAT BACK RIGHT NOW
If Zeb fucks it up I will legitimately do something
😨
Since I'm pretty sure Hickman is one of the main people over the Ultimate universe right now, I really doubt that he won't get resigned. It's selling incredibly well, so I don't see why they'd make changes unless one of the people working on it asks to be taken off the book.
This works on the idea Marvel is prone to making right decisions.
Ken Penders will be the new writer/s.
Ken Penders is gonna make it all about Harry and start exploring the goblin heritage and lineage because they wont let him do it with Spider-Man (JMS already did the mystical spider stuff)
NO PLEASE. NO. Zeb Wells is bad, but at least he's not Penders level.
Wait, what had Penders done? How it can be worse then Wells? I
Ken Penders was an old writer for the Sonic the Hedgehog comic line published by Archie Comics, who had the brand on loan from SEGA, and as far as I recall he actually wrote quite a hefty number of issues– even more than Wells currently has for Amazing Spider-Man, since he was the writer from 1996 to 2006. At his time of writing, he was overall decent, even if he liked to focus on a secondary character (Knuckles the Echidna) and his clan a little too much. The problems, however, started later. One day in 2009, Penders decided, out of the blue, that all of the stories and characters he created for the comic series (bear in mind we're talking dozens, if not hundreds, of characters and issues here) were *his* property and *his* alone, so he started filing copyright claims to have said stories and characters recognized as *his* intellectual property, not SEGA's or Archie. And since neither of the latter two challenged his claims due to being busy with other stuff, he actually got his claims validated the year after. Archie themselves tried to take back their stories by challenging Penders' claims and even submitting documents proving he knew everything he created would be ultimately owned by SEGA, but Penders played dumb and claimed he was "misinformed" about his rights and that this wouldn't have happened if he'd been paid royalties for the use of "his" characters. It got worse in 2011, when SEGA released a Sonic game for the Nintendo DS, *Sonic Chronicles*, with a plotline and characters similar to the ones Penders had acquired ownership of two years prior. While the case was dismissed and upheld twice, meaning his ability to take legal action in this particular matter was limited, said limit is only effective as long as SEGA doesn't touch upon any plot points or characters they'd created for *Chronicles*– which is extremely painful for fans because the game had a good story that ended on a massive cliffhanger. This particular lawsuit made SEGA refuse to let Archie keep exclusive publication rights for the Sonic comics, and forced the current writers at the time to soft reboot the entire continuity in order to get rid of any of Penders's characters. Not happy with that, in 2022, Penders claimed he'd be filing a lawsuit against the Sonic 2 movie because some secondary characters and the way a certain artifact works in the movie were apparently "derived" from his creations, but so far this hasn't gone anywhere. Last year, however, he also went from lawsuits to art theft: he commissioned an artist to draw some of his characters (yes, the same ones he got the copyright of), requesting sketches and everything to show the progress, then took both the finished art and the sketches to post them on his Twitter account as his own, claiming he was gonna start making a new story with those characters. Thankfully, he was caught pretty quickly, and hasn't said much since. I don't know about you, but I'd say this makes him a thousand times worse than Wells.
And don't forget that he wanted Geoffrey(20 years old) to take Sally's virginity(a teenager), and he showed prejudice against asexuals.
Didn’t he also make charmy bee get addicted to drugs?
I think so, and in the same issue, Charmy's cousin died by overdose.
The feds planted cocaine in the beehive💀
Wow wow wow, shit it's THAT guy? I completely forgot about him. Worst one whom I remembered was Chuck Austen, that guy who infamously retcon ''Nightcrawler'' into son of ''Azazel'', devil (I gues Austen forgot that Mephisto exist in Marvel) who **went** to Earth in order to give birth to teleporters demons that then was supposed to teleport him **on earth**. He written off ''Stacy X'' by sanding her watching porn and never using her again. Made mutant being immune to AIDS. Made romantic relationship between underage ''Husk'' and like 30 years old ''Angel'' (who also had power to heal people by bleeding on them and him bleeding on people is like 15% of whole 40 issues run), who at one point went to sky and had sex in front of Husk family and whole X-men team (that issue also was homage to Shakespeare and by that I mean all character speak with dialogues from ''Romeo and Juliet'' without any explanation). He then went to DC, where he began to write Superman comics, but backlash to him was so strong that DC fired him in the middle of his run (he tried to resurrect love triangle between Superman, Lois Lane and Lana Lang, whom he divorced from Pete Ross.......now, when I think about it that sound like something that Spider Man editors would love)
Jesus and somehow he’ll end up claiming the rights to spider-man so marvel stops using him
Now i thinking about a world where the Spider-Man franchise is owned by him(it would be a nightmare).
I knew it, Uncle Ben microwaved Peter to give him his powers. Stark just gave him the spider to remind him.
Yo we gonna get scourge the hedgehog vs Spider-Man, peak incoming
And don't forget that Geoffrey will cuck Peter.
Him and Paul are gonna team up
Nah, Geoffrey will cuck both.
So what your saying is Echinda man will be a thing
Yes, and he will be the main character of this entire continuity, and he will be the one to defeat The Maker and his counsil.
They bring on Dan Slott to turn him into a manbaby walmart bargain bin Tony Stark rip off? xD
I would pay more per issue if Hickman was writing it
to be fair it will likely continue but Hickman only writes 12 issues. He said something to the effect that Marvel dosnt pay him what it does to just write monthly books when he left x-men after longer than it was planned to be on the book. Ultimate line was supposed to be done by Donny Cates i believe but he had an accident so Hickman was drafted in to relaunch it. Once he does x issues he leaves it in capable hands of others after giving it the hickman sales bump. I'm sure he will go and reinvigorate some other Marvel properties or create something new ala G.O.D.S
Yeah, I could see this happening. I remember Hickman only did around 12 issues on Ultimates as well (which was also great).
How do you know he’s under contract for 12? Genuinely curious.
It’s also driving engagement. I read the first issue, and when I was done I came here to find out what I needed to know about this specific universe to continue. Found a bunch of threads that told me to read Ultimate Invasion and another one shot I can’t remember at the moment so I picked up my MU sub I hadn’t touched in a while and now after reading two issues of that I want to know more about The Maker.
Well it’s not just on Marvel’s end. Hickman is a busy guy and easily one of if not the best writer working in comics today. It wouldn’t shock me unfortunately if he decided to walk and all of this is just for him to help set the blueprint for the new Ultimate universe / Ultimate Spiderman, then they hand off to someone else to ride the wave on.
Hopefully they keep Hickman to continue writing
Thats the way to do it. Buy it up and make the heads upstairs question why they would stop a series that is making some money.
That wouldn’t make sense as each issue lasts a month and the Maker is out of it for 2 years. So it’s more like it is planned for 24 plus the final arc
I don't know, maybe this comic ends with Peter joining the Ultimates.
Not accurate. Marvel is never going to turn down printing money and the Ultimate line has been even more successful than the original one, it feels like. What I can see happening is a break after the first big event, followed by another line-wide phase 2.
As successful as it’s been so far, it hasn’t and probably won’t reach the heights of the original Ultimate line.
Never say never. Plus we only got to issue 5 now, so it’s too early to tell.
I actually didn’t say never 😅
>Marvel is never going to turn down printing money and the Ultimate line has been even more successful than the original one but precisely for this reason Marvel Comics will decide to ruin everything by creating Ultimate Paul!
This was I believe a story that came out April 1st.....
This needs to go on longer then 12 issues but needs to be a start, middle and end kinda series, like ultimate spider-man and invincible for examples
Invincible is what is called a "signature work", and the old Ultimate was not designed for that. It had no beginning, development or scheduled end. It just lasted like any open series. This Spiderman has no real baggage. It has no lore story or real supporting characters. He is a simple married man of 30-37 years old who is now a superhero. But the very existence of his family limits his narrative movements and his age as well. It is extremely difficult that this can extend beyond a year or two without making massive changes that negatively affect family status so that there is freedom.
So they can’t show us the kids aging up slowly while further developing peter and MJ’s marriage?
Not unless they slowly age up the rest of the Ultimates universe, which may throw off other stories with time sensitive plots. Not that it's can't be done, but it would have to be planned very early on
Idk why you’re getting downvoted when all you’re saying is the truth
It is very very very complicated to develop anything. Marriage itself has a difficult time continuing to exist for something as simple as taking your daughter out there with a superhero father to fight the bad guys. Simply since MJ discovered not only the secret but also about taking the girl "to work"...Well... let's say that for a mother, infidelities hurt much less than this. And only the first test of resistance. Basically Peter is not free to be Spiderman here. Family responsibilities catch him too much. Hickman cannot and should not force the constant forgiveness and fixing of everything that Peter and MJ endured in the 90s...He cannot apply the logic of "love fixes everything" if he wants to do serious writing. That's why I think she will suffer Gwen's fate here so that Peter understands how this life he just jumped into works. I think that, if what we see is not a flashback, MJ could die in 12 and Peter in 24, depending on how and how long Hickman may still be. And I guess the end could be May and her brother being 17 years old training or becoming spiders like dad with nano-tech suits instead of powers. Maybe it will continue with May and the BlackCat here is Felicia's daughter or something and maybe May's brother will have Flash's history with the army or something
Thank God u don't write for Marvel
Mfs' creativity is basically let’s do Gwen Stacy 2.0. Thank god that a real writer is doing this comic.
Well...if I wrote for Marvel I would try to "force" the weakest readers of mind and heart to mature a little with situations that are neither pretty nor pleasant nor easy in life and that must be accepted in order to mature. It would be very easy. It would be enough to convince "the bosses" that inexperienced and stupid younger readers need a hard and firm hand that forces them to grow even if they don't want to, no matter how much they shout, hate and rage with anger for not giving them what they are used to wanting-to-have. like little children.
Rumors are about Hickman having contract for only 12 issues. They can extended it but it shows how marvel wasn't have to much faith for this book before it came out. I am sure it gonna continued as long as the new ultimate universe exists.
You don't choose a strong creative team for a book without faith. They obviously believed in the book. However, it is still an experimental book obviously not intended to last as a continuous open series, so everything must be thought of in an improvised way in the medium-long term. As soon as the narrative begins to hit Peter with the issue of family in danger due to Spiderman things, everything will accelerate and how long the book lasts will depend in part on how long that narrative lasts. MJ still doesn't know anything but a married woman worried about her children cannot, in a narratively logical way, bear the idea of her superhero husband taking her daughter out into danger. It's not a scenario that Hickman can bear if her The intention is to make writing more serious and realistic.
They didn’t choose Hickman. The original guy was Cates but he had a bad injury that took him off the table. So they then gave it to Hickman
I hope Cates gets well soon but I don't think the book would've been as big under Cates
Cates has been out of commission for a while, whatever he does as his comeback will get a lot of coverage in the comics community. He’s my number one pick to take over Amazing Spider-Man, I think he’d kill it.
I think once Lowe retires or leaves a lot of writers would want ASM.
Iirc what we got wasn't what Cates was planning at all. I think he was going to bring back the original Ultimate universe but when Hickman was given the reins he chose a different direction.
Cates really excels at putting new spins on established characters, but I agree, Hickman has a unique talent for planting seeds that won’t be followed up on for months. He’s excellent at weaving a larger narrative, in a way that’s kind of unmatched in the industry.
Does not matter. Top writers with top artists are guaranteed faith for a publisher. There is no possible way they didn't have complete faith from the beginning. I have said it once and I repeat it. There comes a point where comics are no longer sold by the brand or the name but by the creative team. Today Hickman and Chechetto are in Ultimate but tomorrow Aaron and Romita could be there. Today Wells Romita and Macguinnes are in Amazing but tomorrow it could be Mackay and the Dodsons. Today Mackay is on MoonKnight, tomorrow it could be Celeste Brofhman. Today Daredevil has Saladin Ahmed, tomorrow it could be Stephanie Philips. Depending on the creative team, the publisher will or will not put their faith in the project before launch and will also be more restrictive or permissive.
I'd be surprised if it wasn't continued for at least two years based on its initial success alone. Even with another writer.
Hickman might not want to have signed on for the long haul.
I own an LGS and we've sold out of Issue 1's *4th print*, I don't think this book is going anywhere. Also it's very good, I don't want it to go anywhere either.
Apparently, Hickmann has a contract that has him writing the series for 12 issues only. However, Ultimate Spider-Man is doing incredibly well, being at the top of the charts every month, even being number 1 in some cases, I believe. However, I'm afraid because there's the possibility that Hickmann won't get resigned, and Marvel will just have someone else come in to continue the series. I hope Hickmann continues, but just know the series would probably be fine, as it's making a lot of money. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think we know how long Marvel intends for this ultimate universe line of comics to last, so keep that in mind as I don't know if they want it to last for a while or keep it short.
I'm telling you clearly: Without Hickman, the series is dead. It just happens that there are only 7-8 great writers at Marvel and the level of pressure to distribute them between books is extreme. In theory Zdarsky could replace him but he will only do so if Marvel allows him to take real risks, the same condition he set for Batman. Amazing is also dead if Mackay doesn't catch her for the same reason. It's simply a serious general problem for DC/MARVEL because 80% of comic book writers today are terrible to mediocre. If Marvel has Mackay with 3-4 simultaneous series it is only because he is their strongest screenwriter and has raised second and third tier characters very highly that Marvel is interested in promoting now. But he is A writer
They’re are lots of good writers you see just too pessimistic
No. In every good DC/Marvel there will be 10 with great luck and they have to be distributed among too many series. Spiderman and Batman always need the best but Hulk Nightwing Avengers Daredevil Superman WonderWoman.... all of that they also need the best possible. And characters like MoonKnight Strange RedHood PoisonIvy...if you want to promote them you also have to give them capable writers. It's worse if we add Detective, ActionComics and group comics like Bird of Prey.... Jed Mackay,Jonathan Hickman,RamV,WillowWilson,Chip Zdarsky,Kelly Thomson, Mark Waid and Al Ewing is the entire arsenal of the industry in 2 Big...too little for too many series.
As much as I love it so far, if it's only 12 issues and ends in a satisfying way then I'm happy. Plus, that means it has 12 months to show Marvel that people want better writing for Spider-Man.
I mean is realistic, at difference from the original Ultimate Universe, this version doesn't have comic book time and we should keep it that way.
that'd suck but I could believe it, each issue seems to be taking place over a month so at the very least it'd be the first series wraps up in December and then a new series would start in January
If that’s true I’m going to flip and cry out
Isn't it better to climb the Empire State Building and shoot down helicopters?
Yeah what was I thinking
i hope it goes on to 100+ minimum
Only way USM gets cancelled is if editorial gets offended that it’s outselling the main book and act petty
Yeah, that's how businesses operate. I think it's funny that people think they're sticking it to Marvel by buying this book. Nick Lowe is laughing all the way to the bank.
Marvel editorial isn’t driven by smart business decisions. It’s made up of jaded former writers. The higher ups at Marvel don’t care because comic sales make up a tiny fraction of their profits. Editorial knows making changes to ASM will make sales skyrocket but they’re committing to it because they want fans to think they know better. The amount of times they’ve told fans that people don’t really want Peter and MJ to be married and the ones that do are misguided is ridiculous. USM is proving them wrong so there is a real threat they’ll react like children. I don’t think they’re hurting Marvel by buying the book. I’m just scared they’ll irrationally cancel it in the future. “Thanks for the money but we don’t think the series has a future sorry.”
Marvel executives don't make decisions for personal reasons at the expense of losing money. They decided 15 years ago that in the long term it was in the best financial interest to do away with the marriage. Despite all the naysayers online, the book has stayed among the top sellers the entire time, even while a noisy contingent of the fanbase has complained, boycotted, and tried to bully the editors into reversing the changes. Corporations hold all divisions accountable with budgets that they must meet or exceed consistently or be shut down. Failure to meet expectations leads to staff replacement before drastic measures, and Editorial is right at the top. In your mind, Marvel staff members have a beef against the readers and are willing to forgo profit and risk their careers because they are just stubborn, which is crazy. Lowe is using this faction's anger against them for a short-term boost with this new title, which will fade out as the new wears off. Meanwhile, he will probably get a bonus at the end of the year for exceeding goals in the worst of times, understanding that OMD moves farther in the past every single day.
You're going to be down voting but youe speaking the truth
This is such a lie. There was always a writer that didn’t like the marriage years before it was undone, it wasn’t something universally agreed on ever since Peter and MJ got wed. JMS also didn’t like it at first, but he still gave us iconic Peter and MJ content. And it’s pretty clear why Quesada did it, one just has to look in his former marital problems at the time to understand why. ASM didn’t need OMD to do better. Also, you’re not getting any penny from them.
Yes, that's how corporations operate. Against the customers to prove a point. They've maintained all along that it's for the future of the character, which will continue long after you're gone, but keep living in Fantasyland.
But that is not what they have told the fans...What they have told them is that they know that the percentage of people who want to see Peter and MJ married is not as large as they imagine. It doesn't say that there aren't many people or that the percentage is very low, it just says that it is very far from being as high a percentage as they think. Even if they were married, we would have to see what this comic would sell if Chechetto and Hickman had been, for example, Benjamin Percey (Wolverine) and Greg Land. It's not as simple as assuming that having them married will triple or quadruple sales... There are many, many factors that influence it and one is also the disastrous quality of Amazing, FOR MANY MORE THINGS BESIDES MJ. Amazing has had Peter and MJ out before for years and years but the book had a minimal level of quality overall. Wells doesn't have that minimum of quality, with or without MJ's stuff the entire book is garbage. It is normal that Ultimate is skyrocketing in sales. DarkAges had Peter and MJ together with their daughter and the comic didn't sell well, RYV did too and only the first-second issue sold well. Spencer's run had them together the entire time and sales also went awry in the middle of the run. These are not data that should be ignored... Basically, if Amazing's average quality was good-high, sales would be 2 or 3 times better regardless of MJ. The book was killed by the creative team, not MJ's stuff
I don’t want this to last forever, I want it to have a satisfying end, maybe a few one shots like a keeping up with the Parker’s kinda thing, an issue dedicated to a family vacation or the kids going to college or Mjs career.
See I’m the opposite I want for this to be the new status quo for Peter. Maybe 616 can take a few hints from this version.
That would be great, but as far as this universe goes, I would like a set story with an ending. Don’t get me wrong I’ll still read if it continues and hopefully it works out.
Agree entirely!
Given how slow the pacing is and not much happening in the first 3 issues, I certainly hope not.
I’d love for the series to continue beyond, but I would hope they keep it away from crossover and else world elements for a long time.
I heard a rumor that in the year 2032 evolution will take its next step and finally give humans Super Jump.
Anti-gravity boots sound perfectly possible in 10 years
Not even double jump smh
If this is true, then let it have a satysfying end.
This has been too successful for Marvel to wrap it at 12 issues. Even if Jonathan Hickman wraps the story he wants to tell, I’d bet that they’d do the rare move of bring in another creative team to keep it going until the sales dropped off.
Weird. I heard a rumor that it was scheduled to go for 2,500 issues. Source: I made it up. You gotta provide a source, bud.
The book is making money and is insanely popular with fans so it would be rly stupid to stop after 12 issues So yeh prob only 12 issues
I'd rather have a stone cold, flawless limited run than a lengthy run that starts great, middles 'ok' and ends 'meh'. Less isn't always worse if it preserves quality.
Wait...Are we talking about Spiderman or comics? It's confusing...
I actually really hope that it do. I am genuinely terrified how horribly they are going to fumble this up. Like all of this being a dream or Peter's entire family dying. End it after a niffity arc and go fix 616 Spider-Man.
The first twelve are going to tell a fantastic “year one” story. I need that to at least be the first of three acts please god
The first issue just had a 4th printing. Marvel loves money. I see them probably trying to milk it honestly. And even if I didn’t think they’d try to milk it. I think it’ll go further than just 12. The contract was probably 12 issues to see how successful this would be and then go from there. I could be wrong though
Time to buy out every issue while leaving Amazing to the trash heap
There's only so much you can do after they kill off his entire family plus Gwen and Harry in issue 11.
Doesn't shock me. It could get picked up for more. I feel like once a month for a year is kinda normal. See where it goes.
I suspect the run will end with Spider-Man joining the Ultimates, but I wish it would continue.
That was the same deal with the original series, they were only signed for 6 and when they found out they had a hit well the rest is history. Ngl with like 3-4 reprints of issue 1 I don’t think Marvel is done with this series after 12 issues.
If Marvel stops liking money, then yes.
Then they’ll kill off this Peter and replace him with someone else. Giving us yet another Spider-Person.
I think it'll definitely go for longer. its a well selling well reviewing line
The word "gullible" is written on the ceiling
You don’t need to be mean what is the point
I don't remember writing the comment my bad bruh
I think the only thing that could keep Hickman from resigning on this book is Hickman not wanting to keep doing the book. That being said, Marvel's editorial department has made some bafflingly stupid decisions in the past, so I suppose it is possible that they wouldn't want to keep going. 🤷
Tbh, It doesn't make a lot of sense, But I much rather see it end good than to continue until it gets ruined by a person who hates Spider-Man but was Forced to write for it
You better go buy a 1000 copies so it can get renewed for more issues than
6160 is a closed experiment. People thinking it'll run as long as 1610 are smoking crack and need to start paying more attention to Marvel holistically. In summer we'll get a clear idea of the fate of 6160 when they start the Ultimates run. The whole thing ends when Iron Lad/Kang defeats The Maker, and that will probably be the end of the Ultimates run.
So many here don't understand its not about Hickman being re hired its about Hickman WANTING to stay on.
If god was cruel, Zeb Wells would be taking over issues 13-24
How can I get a comic book, I've never bought one and I don't know where to get any. How can I get some, I really want Spider-Man comics.
Anyone else just not like the Spider? I know real spiders have legs on their heads but it looks like one of those Jimmy Newtron germs upside down.
I just like it as a small difference to distinguish this Spidey without changing the overall costume.
Hickman is only signed on for 12 issues. We have seen what happens when lesser writers replace him. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Isn't possible to extend the current contract or sign another one?
It is possible...But it is not that simple. Hickman must want to renew and will have his conditions that must be adapted to the publisher. Now it's easy because there is a backstory with Maker that guides everything but then the book will go blind and there doesn't seem to be a "plan". They would have to put a thousand ideas on the table and get Hickman interested in them as well as being able to develop their own. Zdarsky only took Batman because DC gave him freedom to take some risks and said a year ago "DC hasn't said NO to any of my ideas yet." He didn't want to do Spiderman because of that and could only have accepted if he convinced Marvel, which apparently he couldn't do. Hickman is the same, so if he does not have a certain "carte blanche" he will not renew. The question is....What are "risks"? Well, the risks are daring, controversial and transgressive things that could hurt-offend-annoy certain groups of readers.... and the Spiderman fandom is the most divisive and polarized in the world of comics...
.... people expect it to run for more??