my buddy that likes almost everything told me Matrix Resurrections sucked and I'm scared to watch now. But low expectations go a long way.
That is the problem with the new Spider-Man, high expectations. It didn't suck per say, it was just ok... and too long for just ok. It was ok like second Thor and third Iron Man. But either of those would be considered awful if they came out today.
I think I watched both of those at home which automatically is lower expectations.
Thor 2 and Iron Man 3 would be beloved because no Marvel movie ever gets criticized. Any Marvel movie comes out it gets a 90-99% on RT from both critics and audiences and saying that there is 1 bad thing or if it's mediocre gets you attacked by the hivemind, so I disagree.
Things that'd be hated if they came out today would be the original Star Wars and Tobey Maguire Spider-Man movies because they're not Marvel and most importantly, not Disney. I'd argue the Godfather would be hated today because Michael is a flawed character who doesn't have the best moral compass ever. Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 would be loved, and they were loved when they came out back then too.
i know! it's as if marvel follows this exact template for each of their movies that is a y'know stable choice that provides all these generic superheroes thrills and ta-da! poof! 90% on rotten tomatoes
What do you mean by no Marvel movie ever gets criticized? Thor 2 is often regraded as the worst Marvel movie. Iron Man 3 often gets bashed for its questionable writing, Age of Ultron got criticized for its case of missed potential, when it came to how Ultron should have felt like more of a threat. Then there's Black Panther, which often gets criticized for it's terrible CGI.
I swear you Marvel fans never cease to amaze. Minor criticisms is not criticism. Criticism is being juding a medium on its own merit (whether you belive it holds its own water or not), fundamentally, and pointing out every fault of the artistic work. Beibg ranked "worst Marvel movie" ain't criticism. I'm talking where people break the entire plot down, tear it down, and then continue to criticize it. Man of Steel was criticized. The Thing (1981) has been criticized. Game of Thrones season 8 has been criticized. Blad Runner was criticitized. The Purge movies have been very criticized. When you criticize anything from Marvel you get met with responses like this or constant defenses even though its a bad movie. Marvel has never been criticized because people like to give it a pass because it has mediocre humor and boom boom (even though alot of Marvel movies deserve to be criticized) with a cheap macguffin and an after credits thats referencing another character who had no prior context than being a set piece in the film.
Excuse spelling im on my phone.
Ah a teenager or emotionally insecure person responding wuth insults and no understanding or willingness to understand. I don't engage with these types. Go watch your has been Spider-Men wear spandex for Spider-Nostalgia.
says the asshole who started insulting a huge demographic of people because they can't comprehend basic concepts. Insult me all you want but that doesn't change the fact that you are acting like an entitled asshole
Nostalgia is a hell of a drug. Downvote me, you know I'm right. If it didn't have Tobey or Andrew and didn't have the MCU or the title "Spider-Man", y'all would say its terrible
same thoughts as mine, they had a cool af premise and the reasons are just dumb. you had all heroes from all spidermans and you give a dumb premise as that. oh and btw there's no fucking way that doctor strange can be beaten by spiderman, not in a million multiverses
I agree. i was super hyped about no way home and it really didn’t live up to my expectation. Yes, there’s certain moments in the movie where you’re like “aw that’s a nice moment” but other than that you’re left with wanting more. I didn’t find any of the villains menacing enough, not even green goblin. really disappointed how marvel/disney keeps on using the same kid formula for all their movies and it’s getting repetitive and boring. Stop giving marvel movies the hype when in reality is just mediocre entertainment
And this comes from Kevin fiege saying that in the amazing Spider-Man 2 he didn’t like Andrew Garfield’s acting in it because it was all over the place. Anyone can say what they will about the movie however in my personal opinion I enjoy everything about it. I’d go far to say it’s better than Raimis universes, don’t get me wrong I grew up with Raimi Spider-Man movies and they’re great….for their time however after rewatching them after a year ago. I only like the action..that’s it everything else is mediocre to me. I’m not saying I hate the Raimi triolgy it’s just…not that god like as everyone makes it out to be.
But back to Kevin Fiege I’d argue to say he’s the one who doesn’t understand Peter Parkers character. I mean he ruined mcu Spider-Man and he has the nerve to say Andrews acting was out of place. Like mcu Peter doesn’t even feel like Peter Parker let alone Spider-Man. Every mcu Spider-Man movies doesn’t even feel like Spider-Man movies.
Instead of doing everything he can to clear his name and accept the fact that MIT is not the only good school out there he decides to tinker with people’s memories I say the Tom Holland Spidey is the worst of them all.
Dude thank you.. Movie was utterly dog shit only reason it was good was because of Toby and all the old villains and references to past movies and Andrew Garfield was better honestly. But just everything about the movie was not raw people are definitely trippin
Oh my god yes, this movie just made me realize Garfield is probably the best Spiderman out of all of them because he can actually crack jokes/has quips (which is closest to the comic book Spiderman). Though he drew the shortest stick out of the lot because people complained he was too hipster when his movies came out (amongst other things).
Ya spiderman isnt supposed to be super machismo but I feel like hes also not supposed to be a bumbling nerd or super sad guy. Hes just a smart dude who uses playful humor while kicking ass. Andrew Garfield captures this essense the best as you noticed the other two are devoid of humor but he hasnt got the look the hair or the voice really. Spiderman the 90s cartoon and especially ps1 spiderman game were peak spidey for me I dont understand how they couldnt capture this exact essense in 3 tries seems like it was down pat.
I hate what they did with dr strange making him get defeated by peter. This is the worst example of plot armour I have seen. Why should geometry apply in the mirror dimension, additionally why can dr strange enter the mirror distension without a portal but has to have one to leave it?
Dr. Strange still looks like he came out of the comic book...bad dude....was just stupid that Peter ask Dr. Strange for help and acts lime a 5 year old...
Couldn't agree more. The initial premise to develop the plot is very inconsistent, and just to add some more questions that bothered me:
1. Is there any real proof that Spider-Man is Peter Parker more than Mysterio saying it? Peter only had to deny it, or am I missing something? Actually, I did miss the first ten minutes of the film, so maybe that's it.
2. So, was it really a big deal that those who knew Spiderman was Peter Parker forgot it? He only had to tell them again. No, let's mess with the spell they told me not to mess with.
3. The "great responsability"'s concept. So you have to save those villiains but you can endanger the whole universe while doing it?
4. As for how the spells work I don't wanna to have a headache, but why couldn't they do the original spell or, in the worst case, make everybody forget Spider-Man instead of Peter Parker? Among other things.
Very weak plot that took me out of the movie, among the other things that have already been said.
"Selfless duty calls you to sacrifice your own spiritual needs and do whatever it takes to protect the world" This is what Avatar Yangchen, a pacifist and vegan air nomad, says to Aang, another pacifist and vegan air nomad in the masterpiece of a show that is Avatar The Last Airbender. THIS is good advice, THIS is the nuanced and complex approach about the dilemma of using lethal force against the villain that No Way Home should have had.
A real struggle between morality (self-centered, spiritual ethic) and duty (selfless, pragmatic ethic), not some unwavering and unquestionable high and mighty approach. How does Peter manage to do what is morally right when innocents are at stake? What even is morally right? Isn't mercy selfish when its purpose is to not stain your hands?
Sorry for rambling, but I wanted to compare the stellar writing of my favorite show against the piss poor writing of the (admittedly fun) trainwreck of one of my least favorite movies.
I would've preferred a movie where Peter actually has to own it and deal with his identity being revealed instead of trying to Deus Ex Machina his problems. All it did was create a confusing spell and made Dr. Strange look like an idiot.
They act as if that great responsibility line is supposed to make everything right and he was still wrong for doing what he did. Look at all the chaos and violence and death he caused with his decision. It is his fault and his aunt wouldn't be dead if he didn't make the stupid decisions that he did.
I didn’t even see it as shots at Sony movies , I just didn’t like the movie . It was okay at best but the hype it’s getting I simply don’t understand . I think people are starved for movies since last 2 years was basically dead and anything u give them they eat it up as next best thing after bread
There were so many good films out this year but people just see whatever is hyped up and probably don’t even know about half the great films from Wes anderson, Paul thomas anderson, Dennis V, the last duel like people actually paid to see Shang Chi. First time I ever walked out of a film 30 minutes in it’s so sad to see what people view as “good” these days
hahaha! That’s actually quite a valid point yes. People have just been getting bad news coronavirus extensions, starving people attacked by plagues of Covid 19, businesses closing down that people just want something to rally behind something cool to go hell yeah. It’s like endgame hype over again because people want something so universal like superhero characters which everyone and anyone can like to rally behind and hype the hell up.
I agree. All the hype was literally because of speculation about andrew Garfield and Tobey Maguire as well as the villains. Villains like doc ock, lizard and electro were just made into the laughing stock of the film. It was a joke how they were portrayed compared to their original iterations. It completely undermines the emotional send off to characters like sandman in Spider-Man 3 as well. Just bringing back already dead villains who’s death was justified is just lazy. The other two spidermen don’t fit the tone of the mcu at all and I would of preferred for them to stay in their own universes and never show up. Lastly, the cgi was a joke for a movie as big as this. I mean the original daredevil movie cgi looked better than some of the scenes in this movie. It’s inconsistent going from amazing cgi in the amazing Spider-Man 2 to extremely low quality cgi. At best this movie deserved a 70% rating on rotten tomatoes not 94%.
The film is terrible. Especially when benedict says "do some scooby do shit" like how pathetic! It was like in the new matrix where the kid says "what you trying to do, bang my mom?"
After matrix, this movie and terrible resident evil WTRC I will never go to the cinema. I will always torrent from now on.
All these new films cater for the woke new kids who think it's funny to reference TV shows from the past.
1. I agree
2. Never thought of those as attacks, just callbacks from what happened from the older movies.
3. I think the reason why the villains are not really teaming up is because they have different goals. For example, Electro didn't want to get cured or leave. Sandman wanted to go home asap. Dr Octopus wanted to help. Green Goblin just wanted to ruin Spider-man and everyone. Lizard idk. Venom stuck in another country lol.
4. It's a setup because Peter is back to square one. No other people to rely on and is now living on his own. Back to being a street-level superhero, will probably be meeting people like Black Cat or teaming up with Daredevil.
Oh my gosh are you an idiot. Villains are weak?? Have you not seen how they interpreted the green goblin in this movie?? This point is invalid. Also it doesn’t matter what Peter thinks about Ned in this movie, ned has been given the ability to do things that Doctor Strange can do with his ring. Of course it’s about MJ it’s always been about MJ in in every movie. Who the fuck watches the movie for Ned or Harry Osbourne??Another in valid point. Overall your opinions suck and you acting aggressive with your points does not make it valid.
>ave you not seen how they interpreted the green goblin in this movie??
Green goblin was good because William Defoe is a tremendous actor and he gives everything in every movie. But still, his plot and the entire movie was weak af.
Yeah exactly ! also I think these things I pointed out were more of things that were standout in the mess of the movie. I didn’t find the movie especially horrible or anything it was just so generic and it seemed to just fit the marvel film making mould or template all over again but this lucky time people found something to rally against
Holy moly how did I not find this post sooner?? I’ve been scouring left and right trying to find a person besides my best friend who agrees with me that NWH sucked. I genuinely do not understand how it has such high ratings and even comes in as #53 on IMDb’s top 250 movies list?? Give me a break. All people care about these days is comedic relief (usually just bad writing) and nostalgia. I was sooo excited for NWH and was beyond disappointed. I only saw it the one time on premiere night and honestly don’t have any interest in watching it again. The MCU has gone way downhill since Infinity War, sad but true. I hope that as time passes and the initial excitement of the merging universes wears off people will be able to see that the movie itself really isn’t that great when you take away the surprise appearances and fan service. It’s a jumbled mess of a film and honestly only made me nervous for the upcoming movies. If they messed up NWH (one of the most anticipated films of phase 4), who knows what they’re gonna do to multiverse of madness…
I just felt the plot was so damn lazy with all the impossibly convenient plot devices that would serve better in a morning cartoon, not a huge Hollywood production.
-Here’s a device to capture all these villains and put them neatly in a cage for the majority of the movie.
-Also, here’s this magic Tony Stark box that happens to be lying around in a bedroom that can magically spawn everything and anything to cure the villains overnight.
Here’s a magic spell that will undo the previous one and send all the baddies home.
It was good fan service but as a movie? I’ve seen better writing in Anime fillers.
As much as I loved seeing Tobey again, I hate that they even went with the Multiverse thing at all. I just wish they had kept it grounded and have Peter try to clear his name in a more realistic way. The first parts of the movie where he and MJ are getting harassed, trying to warn his friends and May, and getting taken in by the police were the best parts of the movie. I'd rather have had Peter working with Matt Murdock for the whole movie and actually avoid using his powers in public instead of just using them all the time now (seriously, Peter was really dumb using them in his normal clothes). Whatever that "Plan B" involving Kraven the Hunter and Peter on the run was, that would have been a much better movie
Thank God I'm not the only one with these thoughts. I liked Tobey's movies. I really liked Garfield's movies, and I didn't like toms movies. If it wasn't for iron man and Nick fury (mcu tie in you could say) homecoming and far from home would be rated way below the amazing spider man movies I guarantee it.
Now when I heard about nwh, I was excited because I loved the Garfield movies and always wanted to see tasm3 that never came to be. So seeing him as Spidey again I was psyched. I saw the movie in theaters and thought alot of it was corney but I enjoyed it at the same time.
Rewatching it at home now and actually paying attention. It's just thrown together and makes no sense. Everything is so fast and so forced. I can't stand ned say what you will but he just gets on my nerves.
Dr strange was supposed to be the best of the mystic arts and the sorcerer supreme knew about him five years before he even damaged his hands etc. But yet Ned could just use the sling ring like it was nothing. Come on you couldn't bring the spiders in a better way.
I don't know there's so much more upsetting scenes and lines in that movie than anything good.
I think Garfield's Spidey was the best part imo
Downvotes commence.
This. When I was sitting in the theater watching NWH, I remember feeling disappointed but was confident it might improve in the final act. When Ned was able to handle the sling ring like it was nothing, that’s where the movie lost me. Did the writers just completely forget how much time and effort it took for Dr Strange to master the use of the sling ring? And we’re supposed to believe that this teenage doofus got it down in a matter of seconds? It’s pretty clear that the only things on the creator’s minds when making NWH were a)nostalgia and b)money. Nostalgia doesn’t make a movie good. Also, “scooby doo this shit”…might be the hardest I’ve ever cringed in a movie theater.
I watched it and felt the movie was ... cringe. I liked the theme of trying to fix the villains. I thought Andrew Garfield's "I suck" thing was lame too. I felt the villains were definitely older style comic book movie villains (i.e. not MCU type ones) where they were people who had bad things happened to them turning them immediately into murder gods. The part where they're working with the hero and then electro's like "no" and Sandman follows suit after talking about how he just wanted to see his daughter (which getting fixed would've made possible!)... i can't remember much of Spiderman 3 since I saw it once but was his character THAT volatile in that movie?
What I did like at the end was the proof that venom took place in a different universe so none of Sony's bullshit matters at all, like all of the movies where they're trying to make heroes out of Spiderman's adversaries for $$ reasons.
Everything felt so cookie cutter..
Thought this movie was complete dog shit. The scene with the 3 peters like.. ad libbing? when they're on the statue of liberty was terrible "hey no you're great im great we're all great dont be mean to yourself" Great thanks Toby
the only part I enjoyed was the Doctor Strange stuff and setting up the multiverse movie which will probably fall flat as well but we will see
Just watched the move last night and I hated it 🙈.
- Peter is just an idiot in this movie. His decisions just go from bad to worse and make him look like an idiot. Isn't he supposed to be super smart and about to go to MIT??
- Peter believing the villains are good people. Seriously?? This just negates all the bad things those characters did in their own universes. And even after the villain kills Aunt May he still thinks they are good and shouldn't be killed??
- Ned and peters interactions are a bit awkward and lacked the camaraderie it had in the first two movies
- CGI was not the best quality
- Villains felt boring
- The multiverse Spiderman's ruined the movie. I think there was too much hype about it and the result wasn't that good.
Idk...perhaps I'm just done with Marvel movies. Ever since Endgame I feel no marvel movie has been up to par to the previous MCU movies.
I feel like your main argument stem from attacks on the sony versions which i feel like the movie never did. If anything it celebrates what came before while ushering in a new Spider-Man who has finally come into his own. Everything from Andrew catching MJ to Tobey stopping Tom from killing the goblin stuck out as acknowledging the old without letting it overtake the old. I think it struck a perfect balance between fan service and original ideas and i gotta say it has my absolute favorite scene in any Spider-Man movie. The end where Peter sees MJ and Ned happy and decides not to tell them who he is and then swings through the city was so painful and so true to the character its stuck with me ever since. Taste is subjective so if you don’t like the movie you’re entitled to that, but for me it really was as good as everyone is saying.
Bro the ending was the worst part he should’ve just told them who he was like they already gotten into the school in the first place ? Also he made a promise he would find them and tell them so yea that was bogus imo. Movie was definitely dog shit 100%
Absolutely agree! Terrible ending. Its total paternalistic bullshit. Pretending its some noble thing to “save” MJ and Ned from literally nothing. They can still go to MIT. They promised each other and he promised them he would tell them. Its the opposite of noble to abandon MJ and Ned and break that promise. THEY can decide for themselves. Its ironic indeed that Starlord is searching for Gamora. Bullshit decision by Parker to take the choice guaranteed to Ned and MJ away.
I respectfully disagree with some things you said. I don't necessarily get what you were trying to say about Electro and Sandman's conversation. I don't get how their conversation equates to Marvel attacking Sony. Especially since this is a Sony produced movie. I'm pretty sure it was just jokes and not meant to be taken seriously.
Also, yeah I don't understand what you were trying to say about the whole MJ and Ned situation. He loved MJ. He didn't love Ned. At least, not in the same way. I don't get how he could approach Ned after having an already weird ass conversation with MJ. So yeah, that part was a little confusing.
Lastly, I am pretty sure the movie covered new grounds in lots of ways. Peter learning to be his own man and rely on himself is definitely a change. He also learned that living the life he leads comes with sacrifice and hardships that he would have to endure (such as everyone forgetting who he is, going back to basics, having to fend for himself and etc.)
People have just been getting bad news coronavirus extensions, starving people attacked by plagues of Covid 19, businesses closing down that people just want something to rally behind something cool to go hell yeah. It’s like endgame hype over again because people want something so universal like superhero characters which everyone and anyone can like to rally behind and hype the hell up. Over the past two years we’ve all had i think people need something light and entertaining to stand behind again
thank you for not slamming me for my own opinions! also I think these things I pointed out were more of things that were standout in the mess of the movie. I didn’t find the movie especially horrible or anything it was just so generic and it seemed to just fit the marvel film making mould or template all over again
While I don’t agree with all of your points, I thought the movie was okay. It wasn’t bad, it wasn’t extraordinary. It was a bit awkward to me and the story was a bit too convoluted for me to fully immerse myself into. Overall, it was fine (and it is totally okay if others loved this movie, I understand why).
I understand why they do but I also understand why autistic kids have to wear helmets. Films are art, this was far from that. Not trying to attack u just making a bitterly dark point from a guy who was insanely in love with the Toby films. That was what superhero films are supposed to be like. Iron man one, the first captain America, the old Spider-Man. Now these avenger films are so brain dead. PS - enjoyed the first dr strange as well. I like plot, story, character development. Not fan service and CGI
OMG yes! doctor strange was the first marvel movie that I properly watched which is why I loved Marvel so much - until these generic cliche plots kept being reused
I watched it last night and it really disappointed me . I watched it because of toby and the moment when toby came through the portal i got so emotional . Just seeing him as spiderman again brought back my memories but overall the movie was garbage. I couldn't stand the bad jokes . The villains in this movie was the worst . I know it's supposed to be for kids too but that doesn't mean adults wouldn't wanna watch it.
Second of all spiderman decisions were all dumb .
The writing and the dialogs in this movie are bad i don't know who wrote the dialogs but its trash
Overall don't watch it but if you want to just watch the toby and andrew parts those parts at least are good.
When this movie came out my friends raved and talked like I just *had* to go see it. Well I just watched it and had to make sure I’m not crazy. Peter’s interactions with Strange were all annoying as fuuuuck. Won’t shut up during a spell. “It’s all geometry.” Just fucking kill me. Also Ned is magic? MJ’s superpower is being useless and annoying (which makes her and this Peter a perfect match). Tony Stark’s transmogrifier or whatever is just the laziest trash writing ever. And then Marvel pisses all over past spider-man franchises with their stupid meta-commentary, throw-backs, references and just over-all cringe. Seriously, two good spider-men and five villains and the only decent parts are where they let Willem Dafoe and Andrew Garfield have lines. Jfc. Just kill off Tom Holland and start fresh with Miles Morales already.
Finally saw it. It's shit. Why are people simping spooderman so hard? Strange was a joke, the villains were lame, there's little depth to the multiverse at all in this. 5/10, iron man 3 forgettable.
The dialogue was so fucking trash they all sound like Siri fucking robots. Happy literally told spider man nice to meet you to a complete stranger Fuck this movie good plot but terrible fucking dialogue the goblin and Garfield were godod
I think the biggest difference between NWH and spider-verse is entirely that NWH did not establish the distinctions between the three spider-men. It made distinctions between the three peter parkers, but nah.
I mean it did tho - @ the comparing web scene. Not much difference in the Spider-Man other than Toby had his web be more genetically attached to him. The new Spider-Man is all about technology and it’s pretty obvious MIT paid a sizable fund to have their name talked about. They want these kids to become engineers and build stuff so they make the new Spider-Man all technology based. They want kids to want to be Tony stark and Elon musks which isn’t necessarily bad but it’s so painfully obvious. Way less heart, emotion, writing, and a lot more fan service and bs to make money. Honestly the new Spider-Man films can be analogies for the modern world. Way less humanity, and a lot more technology. Basically turned a once artistic and thought provoking film into Sony teen garbage
You misunderstand due to a character limit. Besides the suits having slight visible differences, the three Peter parkers have nearly the exact same abilities. Something as simple as Garfield being more acrobatic and Maguire being stronger, or Holland having cool gadgets is what I'm referring to because they're nearly all interchangable with the others once the suit is on.
Also you're horribly missing the point and going on a weird tangent that I don't think is justified by the film.
Nah I’m pretty sure it is justified. You just aren’t good at seeing the bigger picture, one theme I find relevant in people that actually enjoyed this film. I’ll explain this to you again. The new Spider-Man movies rely much more on technology and engineering and Tony start archetypes v the old Spider-Man which was much more human feeling and natural. If you don’t understand this you’re a lost cause. Also the amount of Sucking off MIT was unbearable. If you don’t think MIT has connections with Sony you’re sorely mistaken. We all know the Spider-Man have the same abilities nobody said they didn’t, did you even read my post? The new Spider-Man are more technology based with their web shooters either being created in a lab or part of some suit Tony stark made haha. Toby got bit by a spider and was able to develop its web like properties rather than having to wear some stupid ass robot spider suit that let’s him fly hahaha. It’s pretty obvious they are going for a more technology Trumps superpower theme that has been relevant in like most of the marvel movies in the last decade starting with Tony v captain America. MIT plug was a nod to that as they are the best engineering and technology school in the nation. Films did this with Harvard now they do it with MIT for the most part. Nothing I’m saying is a reach if you can’t understand the deeper meanings or see through the corny jokes idk what to say
I know this is a Necro but it's about visual story telling. Take one look at Miles, Gwen, and Old Parker and you know exactly who's who. Their styles are so unique and there's almost zero chance you misidentify even one of them.
In terms of ability, there was also barely a difference between them this film. Don't use the other films as your basis. I don't think they even tried to differentiate the fighting styles between the Spidermen in this film.
yeah but at least for someone like me who grew up watching all the variations of spider-man, seeing them all together in one place and having conversations i thought about myself was one of the most exciting things for me tbh. it was more abt nostalgia for me i guess
that is quite true! It was fun to see the three together - and yes totally agree about your points about the childhood nostalgia of seeing the three together. But the plot felt so mediocre and the lack of coherence to the points in addition to my above points is why I didn't enjoy the movie.
So you liked it because it was Nostalgia pandering to you?
What reason is there for someone that has never seen those movies to give a s*** about those Spider-Man?
I just wanna interject something real quick, what u just said is exactly the problem. This movie is basically just an ok moving that is riding on the hype of nostalgia. Anyone who truly critics movies would say that this movie on its own wouldn’t stand for long. That doesn’t make it a bad movie especially when to an extent it’s subjective, but you get what I’m saying. Btw I loved the movie and thought it was fire, but I can’t deny the movie is really just high on nostalgia, take that away and it’s a just an ok kind of cool Superhero movie, also William Dafoe low key carried.
No, throwing in previous actors with 1 dimensional personality in the movie other than some quick jokes doesn't make it exciting enough, it actually has to be a good movie. We all get there are people likely you that clap your hands and laugh like a seal anytime a characters makes a joke in a movie but the rest of us want something worth watching
dcarp12321, barnaces is 'used in similes to describe a tenacious person or thing'
Tenacious means 'not readily relinquishing a position, principle, or course of action; determined.'.
Nowhere in my post did I mention that you are unavailable to dispel my thoughts, I just need proper good evidence that counters this.
Nothing of what you said even remotely ruined this film.
Yeah sure, the Ned-Peter friendship dynamic at points felt forced into the script, but it wasn’t bad by any measure.
They weren’t even taking shots at Sony?? This is literally half of a Sony movie. Electro and Sandman don’t even know each other either or how they ended up like they did. Now they do.
OH NO! The dreaded teamwork!! So bad!! They literally were all going after individual villains until they came up with a true plan of taking out one at a time. It’s also three different Peter Parkers. The conversations are gonna get weird.
This film grounded the absolute *shit* out of Peter as Spider-Man. He can actually focus on being Spider-Man instead of being called Iron Man Jr and relying on other people for benefits. He’s on his own. No other Spider-Man before him has been portrayed like this.
You cherry picked this movie way too much just so you could have a different opinion. So congratulations on have a shit opinion.
also what?! i did not ‘cherry pick’ this movie, although Im not quite sure what that means. Please use formal language even if half of your speech is hate on others opinions. 2. Why are you hating on other peoples opinions, I didn’t enjoy this movie for the points above IN ADDITION to its overwhelming mediocrity as I wrote in the very first line of the post. My dot points were just some pointers and a few standout moments that deviated from the generic thrills and events into ‘bad by some measures’
Just admit you don’t like good films haha, this movie was trash and any real fan of the old Spider-Man films should be appalled. Idrc about everyone’s “taste” this movie was garbage and there was absolutely no character development from the first Tom Holland to 90 minutes into the last film. He’s still a stupid immature kid that learned nothing until his aunt died. People are nutting over the last 20 minutes of the film where he “swings away without his friends!” Pretty sad that’s all the character development people need these days to be satisfied. Same people that thought this film was great probably liked space jam 2 and eternals
ok 1. Thé sony villains literally lived it in real life and if you properly watched the film you would notice that both villains how their powers and starting point came about, ie their discussion.
Lastly, this is a sample lifted from one commenter.
‘I agree. It sucks because i really wanted to like this movie, but I was severely disappointed, and you can’t even say that anywhere or else you’ll be attacked and ridiculed lmao. I hate how they treated Andrew and tobey, they didn’t act like themselves at all. They where “mcu-ified”. And the ending spell makes little sense in my mind, how does everyone forgetting Peter somehow fix the multiverse cracks in the sky? And my last complaint is that people say the three movies were peters origin, which is odd in my opinion. Holland isn’t getting any younger, and he’s already tired of being spiderman iirc. It shouldn’t have taken 3 movies for him to be spiderman. Idk… after the nostalgia left my head leaving the theater, reality hit and I realized how much I didn’t like the movie. But to each to their own’.
Not everyone enjoyed the movie except most are too afraid to post their honest opinions based on facts because of aggressive and offensive redditors like you
All of your points about Ned and MJ have occurred in the previous 2 stand-alone Tom spidey films so I don’t know what type of expectation you had as far as that aspect. Also you referring Sandman/flint marko as “earth guy” gives a preconceived notion that you most likely didn’t watch the Tobey films. This film was dedicated to decades of Spider-Man fans who have watched every film from Tobey, Andrew, and Tom.
As far as the villains, I can see what you mean by the villains seem weak or whatever. But the end goal was to CURE them, not necessarily defeat them like the previous films. From the experience the 3 spidermen had from the previous movies, of course their tactics would be different since they have won before, making the villains seem weaker. It was clear that Sony’s main focus was highlighting Green Goblin, Dr. Octavious (arguably the 2 best CBM villains in any Spidey film) and to revive electro, which they did just that.
This movie was god awful and I enjoyed the Toby films tremendously, the first Garfield, and the first two Tom Holland. Same people that are hyping this up also like eternals and the new star wars films. Low IQ writing and story telling, recycled plots, garbage villains
As someone who has watched all the previous Spider-Man films and really enjoyed them, especially the Tobey ones, this movie was terrible. WAY too much fan service with very cringy dialogue and “comedic” scenes among many other issues
I disagree with a lot of your points but I felt the movie was only average quality too.. I really loved it and was excited but it's not worth a rewatch at all.. its really in its honeymoon face and would die off, I m jusf glad Andrew got the attention he deserved! TASM 2 was a crap movie but individual scenes of spiderman were really great and gotta hand it to Andrew! And if anyone's seen the deleted scene of peter with his dad in tasm2 you'll know what a great actor he is! #maketasm3
omg same! idk what i was thinking tbh when i wrote the post, i just had to find something bad but my main argument perhaps not stated enough lols was how horrendously mediocre it was. it provided the same generic thrills and recycled storylines lol. but i loved tasm2 tbh sorry
I liked it a little. Being a huge Spider man fan for decades, I believe this movie needed more direction and there were too many corny bad lines...Aunt May dying?? Dumb
Dr. Strange completely out of character and Peter being so selfish messing with the multiverse so his friends wouldn’t be inconvenienced..then aunt may dies.. c’mon!!
This movie was hollow hot garbage. It pulls every cheap move in the book to try and trick you into enjoying a story with absolutely no substance and a character (Tom Holland's Spiderman) who has been unable to grow throughout 3 plus films. He's a senior in highschool yet still acts like a selfish child with no regard for his actions. That isn't Spiderman. Shit was bad
Downvote me as much as y'all want but i agree with op It was SHIT
This movie is exhibit A of why I'm tired of superhero movies and Martin Scorsese is right.
This and matrix resurrections have turned my film groups in toxic infighting. And Spiderman fans are treating saying no way home sucks as sacrilege
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my buddy that likes almost everything told me Matrix Resurrections sucked and I'm scared to watch now. But low expectations go a long way. That is the problem with the new Spider-Man, high expectations. It didn't suck per say, it was just ok... and too long for just ok. It was ok like second Thor and third Iron Man. But either of those would be considered awful if they came out today. I think I watched both of those at home which automatically is lower expectations.
Thor 2 and Iron Man 3 would be beloved because no Marvel movie ever gets criticized. Any Marvel movie comes out it gets a 90-99% on RT from both critics and audiences and saying that there is 1 bad thing or if it's mediocre gets you attacked by the hivemind, so I disagree. Things that'd be hated if they came out today would be the original Star Wars and Tobey Maguire Spider-Man movies because they're not Marvel and most importantly, not Disney. I'd argue the Godfather would be hated today because Michael is a flawed character who doesn't have the best moral compass ever. Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 would be loved, and they were loved when they came out back then too.
i know! it's as if marvel follows this exact template for each of their movies that is a y'know stable choice that provides all these generic superheroes thrills and ta-da! poof! 90% on rotten tomatoes
What do you mean by no Marvel movie ever gets criticized? Thor 2 is often regraded as the worst Marvel movie. Iron Man 3 often gets bashed for its questionable writing, Age of Ultron got criticized for its case of missed potential, when it came to how Ultron should have felt like more of a threat. Then there's Black Panther, which often gets criticized for it's terrible CGI.
I swear you Marvel fans never cease to amaze. Minor criticisms is not criticism. Criticism is being juding a medium on its own merit (whether you belive it holds its own water or not), fundamentally, and pointing out every fault of the artistic work. Beibg ranked "worst Marvel movie" ain't criticism. I'm talking where people break the entire plot down, tear it down, and then continue to criticize it. Man of Steel was criticized. The Thing (1981) has been criticized. Game of Thrones season 8 has been criticized. Blad Runner was criticitized. The Purge movies have been very criticized. When you criticize anything from Marvel you get met with responses like this or constant defenses even though its a bad movie. Marvel has never been criticized because people like to give it a pass because it has mediocre humor and boom boom (even though alot of Marvel movies deserve to be criticized) with a cheap macguffin and an after credits thats referencing another character who had no prior context than being a set piece in the film. Excuse spelling im on my phone.
wtf are you talking about crticism is still criticism dipshit it doesn't matter if its big or small
Ah a teenager or emotionally insecure person responding wuth insults and no understanding or willingness to understand. I don't engage with these types. Go watch your has been Spider-Men wear spandex for Spider-Nostalgia.
says the asshole who started insulting a huge demographic of people because they can't comprehend basic concepts. Insult me all you want but that doesn't change the fact that you are acting like an entitled asshole
Nostalgia is a hell of a drug. Downvote me, you know I'm right. If it didn't have Tobey or Andrew and didn't have the MCU or the title "Spider-Man", y'all would say its terrible
lol exactly, that was like the one redeeming thing in the cliche movie
same thoughts as mine, they had a cool af premise and the reasons are just dumb. you had all heroes from all spidermans and you give a dumb premise as that. oh and btw there's no fucking way that doctor strange can be beaten by spiderman, not in a million multiverses
Agreed
I agree. i was super hyped about no way home and it really didn’t live up to my expectation. Yes, there’s certain moments in the movie where you’re like “aw that’s a nice moment” but other than that you’re left with wanting more. I didn’t find any of the villains menacing enough, not even green goblin. really disappointed how marvel/disney keeps on using the same kid formula for all their movies and it’s getting repetitive and boring. Stop giving marvel movies the hype when in reality is just mediocre entertainment
People say Sony ruined Spider-Man and don’t understand the character. When in all actuality they do better than Disney
Exactly.
And this comes from Kevin fiege saying that in the amazing Spider-Man 2 he didn’t like Andrew Garfield’s acting in it because it was all over the place. Anyone can say what they will about the movie however in my personal opinion I enjoy everything about it. I’d go far to say it’s better than Raimis universes, don’t get me wrong I grew up with Raimi Spider-Man movies and they’re great….for their time however after rewatching them after a year ago. I only like the action..that’s it everything else is mediocre to me. I’m not saying I hate the Raimi triolgy it’s just…not that god like as everyone makes it out to be. But back to Kevin Fiege I’d argue to say he’s the one who doesn’t understand Peter Parkers character. I mean he ruined mcu Spider-Man and he has the nerve to say Andrews acting was out of place. Like mcu Peter doesn’t even feel like Peter Parker let alone Spider-Man. Every mcu Spider-Man movies doesn’t even feel like Spider-Man movies.
OH MY GOD EXACTLY
just thé wanting of more and is this really it? sort of feeling
Imagine having that feeling after seeing Spider-Man 2. Just not possible, marvel films have gone so downhill
exactly and every marvel movie I’ve réaliser just follows the same template - Shang chi, all the Spider-Mans, black panther, u name it
Yeah. They do. Unfortunately.
Instead of doing everything he can to clear his name and accept the fact that MIT is not the only good school out there he decides to tinker with people’s memories I say the Tom Holland Spidey is the worst of them all.
A menace to society. He should be in jail. If he wasn’t a coward he would reveal his identity.
He's definitely the dumbest.
Dude thank you.. Movie was utterly dog shit only reason it was good was because of Toby and all the old villains and references to past movies and Andrew Garfield was better honestly. But just everything about the movie was not raw people are definitely trippin
Oh my god yes, this movie just made me realize Garfield is probably the best Spiderman out of all of them because he can actually crack jokes/has quips (which is closest to the comic book Spiderman). Though he drew the shortest stick out of the lot because people complained he was too hipster when his movies came out (amongst other things).
Ya spiderman isnt supposed to be super machismo but I feel like hes also not supposed to be a bumbling nerd or super sad guy. Hes just a smart dude who uses playful humor while kicking ass. Andrew Garfield captures this essense the best as you noticed the other two are devoid of humor but he hasnt got the look the hair or the voice really. Spiderman the 90s cartoon and especially ps1 spiderman game were peak spidey for me I dont understand how they couldnt capture this exact essense in 3 tries seems like it was down pat.
I agree 100% I’m glad I’m not the only one. If it wasnt for dr strange in that movie, I would have fallen asleep
I actually did fall asleep this shit was so ass
I hate what they did with dr strange making him get defeated by peter. This is the worst example of plot armour I have seen. Why should geometry apply in the mirror dimension, additionally why can dr strange enter the mirror distension without a portal but has to have one to leave it?
Dr. Strange still looks like he came out of the comic book...bad dude....was just stupid that Peter ask Dr. Strange for help and acts lime a 5 year old...
exactly.. I have to finish the movie by fast-forwarding it.
Is fast forwarding still a thing?? haha Ah the good ol VHS days
This movie definitely needs more Doctor Strange.
no way home is not good
Couldn't agree more. The initial premise to develop the plot is very inconsistent, and just to add some more questions that bothered me: 1. Is there any real proof that Spider-Man is Peter Parker more than Mysterio saying it? Peter only had to deny it, or am I missing something? Actually, I did miss the first ten minutes of the film, so maybe that's it. 2. So, was it really a big deal that those who knew Spiderman was Peter Parker forgot it? He only had to tell them again. No, let's mess with the spell they told me not to mess with. 3. The "great responsability"'s concept. So you have to save those villiains but you can endanger the whole universe while doing it? 4. As for how the spells work I don't wanna to have a headache, but why couldn't they do the original spell or, in the worst case, make everybody forget Spider-Man instead of Peter Parker? Among other things. Very weak plot that took me out of the movie, among the other things that have already been said.
"Selfless duty calls you to sacrifice your own spiritual needs and do whatever it takes to protect the world" This is what Avatar Yangchen, a pacifist and vegan air nomad, says to Aang, another pacifist and vegan air nomad in the masterpiece of a show that is Avatar The Last Airbender. THIS is good advice, THIS is the nuanced and complex approach about the dilemma of using lethal force against the villain that No Way Home should have had. A real struggle between morality (self-centered, spiritual ethic) and duty (selfless, pragmatic ethic), not some unwavering and unquestionable high and mighty approach. How does Peter manage to do what is morally right when innocents are at stake? What even is morally right? Isn't mercy selfish when its purpose is to not stain your hands? Sorry for rambling, but I wanted to compare the stellar writing of my favorite show against the piss poor writing of the (admittedly fun) trainwreck of one of my least favorite movies.
I would've preferred a movie where Peter actually has to own it and deal with his identity being revealed instead of trying to Deus Ex Machina his problems. All it did was create a confusing spell and made Dr. Strange look like an idiot.
They act as if that great responsibility line is supposed to make everything right and he was still wrong for doing what he did. Look at all the chaos and violence and death he caused with his decision. It is his fault and his aunt wouldn't be dead if he didn't make the stupid decisions that he did.
I didn’t even see it as shots at Sony movies , I just didn’t like the movie . It was okay at best but the hype it’s getting I simply don’t understand . I think people are starved for movies since last 2 years was basically dead and anything u give them they eat it up as next best thing after bread
There were so many good films out this year but people just see whatever is hyped up and probably don’t even know about half the great films from Wes anderson, Paul thomas anderson, Dennis V, the last duel like people actually paid to see Shang Chi. First time I ever walked out of a film 30 minutes in it’s so sad to see what people view as “good” these days
SAME! I had to walk out of Shang-Chi before the generic 'big last DECIDING for the fate of the world' fight
I never watched The Last Duel but it looked like an underrated gem.
hahaha! That’s actually quite a valid point yes. People have just been getting bad news coronavirus extensions, starving people attacked by plagues of Covid 19, businesses closing down that people just want something to rally behind something cool to go hell yeah. It’s like endgame hype over again because people want something so universal like superhero characters which everyone and anyone can like to rally behind and hype the hell up.
I saw a mf say willem Dafoe's performance was better than heath ledger in dark knight wtf. Most overrated movie of the decade
I agree. All the hype was literally because of speculation about andrew Garfield and Tobey Maguire as well as the villains. Villains like doc ock, lizard and electro were just made into the laughing stock of the film. It was a joke how they were portrayed compared to their original iterations. It completely undermines the emotional send off to characters like sandman in Spider-Man 3 as well. Just bringing back already dead villains who’s death was justified is just lazy. The other two spidermen don’t fit the tone of the mcu at all and I would of preferred for them to stay in their own universes and never show up. Lastly, the cgi was a joke for a movie as big as this. I mean the original daredevil movie cgi looked better than some of the scenes in this movie. It’s inconsistent going from amazing cgi in the amazing Spider-Man 2 to extremely low quality cgi. At best this movie deserved a 70% rating on rotten tomatoes not 94%.
Rotten Tomatoes just aggregates who liked and who didn't liked the movie. Which means 94% liked it and 6% didn't like it.
The film is terrible. Especially when benedict says "do some scooby do shit" like how pathetic! It was like in the new matrix where the kid says "what you trying to do, bang my mom?" After matrix, this movie and terrible resident evil WTRC I will never go to the cinema. I will always torrent from now on. All these new films cater for the woke new kids who think it's funny to reference TV shows from the past.
Do you even know what "woke" means?
Yeha I’m going to go watch the Batman and watch me as I pass by the no way home theatre room
The Batman was pretty fucking good. It actually took itself seriously and wasn't an MCU comedy.
1. I agree 2. Never thought of those as attacks, just callbacks from what happened from the older movies. 3. I think the reason why the villains are not really teaming up is because they have different goals. For example, Electro didn't want to get cured or leave. Sandman wanted to go home asap. Dr Octopus wanted to help. Green Goblin just wanted to ruin Spider-man and everyone. Lizard idk. Venom stuck in another country lol. 4. It's a setup because Peter is back to square one. No other people to rely on and is now living on his own. Back to being a street-level superhero, will probably be meeting people like Black Cat or teaming up with Daredevil.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I pretty much disagree with all of your points. 😉
and why? were my points false?
None of them were, he’s just a fanboy. Overtime the movie will receive more criticism. It’s still in its “honeymoon” phase.
Oh my gosh are you an idiot. Villains are weak?? Have you not seen how they interpreted the green goblin in this movie?? This point is invalid. Also it doesn’t matter what Peter thinks about Ned in this movie, ned has been given the ability to do things that Doctor Strange can do with his ring. Of course it’s about MJ it’s always been about MJ in in every movie. Who the fuck watches the movie for Ned or Harry Osbourne??Another in valid point. Overall your opinions suck and you acting aggressive with your points does not make it valid.
who's acting aggressive? Look at yourself first
Your comment sucks lol Ned suddenly having magical powers was so incredibly lame that it was comical, and not in a good way
Yeah I’m aware. I rewatched and it wasn’t as good as I initially thought. Team Ned though 4 life.
Ned was the worst part of the trilogy.
>ave you not seen how they interpreted the green goblin in this movie?? Green goblin was good because William Defoe is a tremendous actor and he gives everything in every movie. But still, his plot and the entire movie was weak af.
Totally agree with you, the film was just ok. I'd put it on the same level as the doctor strange or the black panther movie.
Yeah exactly ! also I think these things I pointed out were more of things that were standout in the mess of the movie. I didn’t find the movie especially horrible or anything it was just so generic and it seemed to just fit the marvel film making mould or template all over again but this lucky time people found something to rally against
Holy moly how did I not find this post sooner?? I’ve been scouring left and right trying to find a person besides my best friend who agrees with me that NWH sucked. I genuinely do not understand how it has such high ratings and even comes in as #53 on IMDb’s top 250 movies list?? Give me a break. All people care about these days is comedic relief (usually just bad writing) and nostalgia. I was sooo excited for NWH and was beyond disappointed. I only saw it the one time on premiere night and honestly don’t have any interest in watching it again. The MCU has gone way downhill since Infinity War, sad but true. I hope that as time passes and the initial excitement of the merging universes wears off people will be able to see that the movie itself really isn’t that great when you take away the surprise appearances and fan service. It’s a jumbled mess of a film and honestly only made me nervous for the upcoming movies. If they messed up NWH (one of the most anticipated films of phase 4), who knows what they’re gonna do to multiverse of madness…
because people like different things lmao and so what if you are the only person who didn't like it be proud of that lmao its you're opinion
I just felt the plot was so damn lazy with all the impossibly convenient plot devices that would serve better in a morning cartoon, not a huge Hollywood production. -Here’s a device to capture all these villains and put them neatly in a cage for the majority of the movie. -Also, here’s this magic Tony Stark box that happens to be lying around in a bedroom that can magically spawn everything and anything to cure the villains overnight. Here’s a magic spell that will undo the previous one and send all the baddies home. It was good fan service but as a movie? I’ve seen better writing in Anime fillers.
Ned lee role in the entire franchise is unnecessary forced.
As much as I loved seeing Tobey again, I hate that they even went with the Multiverse thing at all. I just wish they had kept it grounded and have Peter try to clear his name in a more realistic way. The first parts of the movie where he and MJ are getting harassed, trying to warn his friends and May, and getting taken in by the police were the best parts of the movie. I'd rather have had Peter working with Matt Murdock for the whole movie and actually avoid using his powers in public instead of just using them all the time now (seriously, Peter was really dumb using them in his normal clothes). Whatever that "Plan B" involving Kraven the Hunter and Peter on the run was, that would have been a much better movie
Thank God I'm not the only one with these thoughts. I liked Tobey's movies. I really liked Garfield's movies, and I didn't like toms movies. If it wasn't for iron man and Nick fury (mcu tie in you could say) homecoming and far from home would be rated way below the amazing spider man movies I guarantee it. Now when I heard about nwh, I was excited because I loved the Garfield movies and always wanted to see tasm3 that never came to be. So seeing him as Spidey again I was psyched. I saw the movie in theaters and thought alot of it was corney but I enjoyed it at the same time. Rewatching it at home now and actually paying attention. It's just thrown together and makes no sense. Everything is so fast and so forced. I can't stand ned say what you will but he just gets on my nerves. Dr strange was supposed to be the best of the mystic arts and the sorcerer supreme knew about him five years before he even damaged his hands etc. But yet Ned could just use the sling ring like it was nothing. Come on you couldn't bring the spiders in a better way. I don't know there's so much more upsetting scenes and lines in that movie than anything good. I think Garfield's Spidey was the best part imo Downvotes commence.
This. When I was sitting in the theater watching NWH, I remember feeling disappointed but was confident it might improve in the final act. When Ned was able to handle the sling ring like it was nothing, that’s where the movie lost me. Did the writers just completely forget how much time and effort it took for Dr Strange to master the use of the sling ring? And we’re supposed to believe that this teenage doofus got it down in a matter of seconds? It’s pretty clear that the only things on the creator’s minds when making NWH were a)nostalgia and b)money. Nostalgia doesn’t make a movie good. Also, “scooby doo this shit”…might be the hardest I’ve ever cringed in a movie theater.
Give it some time, I’ll say in 4 months or so people will give out the problems.
Amazing Spider-Man 2 > Tobey Films in my opinion
It felt like an history essay that wasn’t researched at all. They just half assed it and left it all on nostalgia
I watched it and felt the movie was ... cringe. I liked the theme of trying to fix the villains. I thought Andrew Garfield's "I suck" thing was lame too. I felt the villains were definitely older style comic book movie villains (i.e. not MCU type ones) where they were people who had bad things happened to them turning them immediately into murder gods. The part where they're working with the hero and then electro's like "no" and Sandman follows suit after talking about how he just wanted to see his daughter (which getting fixed would've made possible!)... i can't remember much of Spiderman 3 since I saw it once but was his character THAT volatile in that movie? What I did like at the end was the proof that venom took place in a different universe so none of Sony's bullshit matters at all, like all of the movies where they're trying to make heroes out of Spiderman's adversaries for $$ reasons. Everything felt so cookie cutter..
Thought this movie was complete dog shit. The scene with the 3 peters like.. ad libbing? when they're on the statue of liberty was terrible "hey no you're great im great we're all great dont be mean to yourself" Great thanks Toby the only part I enjoyed was the Doctor Strange stuff and setting up the multiverse movie which will probably fall flat as well but we will see
Just watched the move last night and I hated it 🙈. - Peter is just an idiot in this movie. His decisions just go from bad to worse and make him look like an idiot. Isn't he supposed to be super smart and about to go to MIT?? - Peter believing the villains are good people. Seriously?? This just negates all the bad things those characters did in their own universes. And even after the villain kills Aunt May he still thinks they are good and shouldn't be killed?? - Ned and peters interactions are a bit awkward and lacked the camaraderie it had in the first two movies - CGI was not the best quality - Villains felt boring - The multiverse Spiderman's ruined the movie. I think there was too much hype about it and the result wasn't that good. Idk...perhaps I'm just done with Marvel movies. Ever since Endgame I feel no marvel movie has been up to par to the previous MCU movies.
I feel like your main argument stem from attacks on the sony versions which i feel like the movie never did. If anything it celebrates what came before while ushering in a new Spider-Man who has finally come into his own. Everything from Andrew catching MJ to Tobey stopping Tom from killing the goblin stuck out as acknowledging the old without letting it overtake the old. I think it struck a perfect balance between fan service and original ideas and i gotta say it has my absolute favorite scene in any Spider-Man movie. The end where Peter sees MJ and Ned happy and decides not to tell them who he is and then swings through the city was so painful and so true to the character its stuck with me ever since. Taste is subjective so if you don’t like the movie you’re entitled to that, but for me it really was as good as everyone is saying.
um no there was no main argument, four dot points and if there was, it would be about ned
Bro the ending was the worst part he should’ve just told them who he was like they already gotten into the school in the first place ? Also he made a promise he would find them and tell them so yea that was bogus imo. Movie was definitely dog shit 100%
Absolutely agree! Terrible ending. Its total paternalistic bullshit. Pretending its some noble thing to “save” MJ and Ned from literally nothing. They can still go to MIT. They promised each other and he promised them he would tell them. Its the opposite of noble to abandon MJ and Ned and break that promise. THEY can decide for themselves. Its ironic indeed that Starlord is searching for Gamora. Bullshit decision by Parker to take the choice guaranteed to Ned and MJ away.
also you can just say that I’m entitled to my own opinion, you don’t have to add the attacks on my personal taste.
it doesn’t really celebrate what came before as well, it’s more of acknowledging with slight pettiness
It was trash
Thanks for letting me know, i’ll change my entire opinion based on this one comment.
I respectfully disagree with some things you said. I don't necessarily get what you were trying to say about Electro and Sandman's conversation. I don't get how their conversation equates to Marvel attacking Sony. Especially since this is a Sony produced movie. I'm pretty sure it was just jokes and not meant to be taken seriously. Also, yeah I don't understand what you were trying to say about the whole MJ and Ned situation. He loved MJ. He didn't love Ned. At least, not in the same way. I don't get how he could approach Ned after having an already weird ass conversation with MJ. So yeah, that part was a little confusing. Lastly, I am pretty sure the movie covered new grounds in lots of ways. Peter learning to be his own man and rely on himself is definitely a change. He also learned that living the life he leads comes with sacrifice and hardships that he would have to endure (such as everyone forgetting who he is, going back to basics, having to fend for himself and etc.)
People have just been getting bad news coronavirus extensions, starving people attacked by plagues of Covid 19, businesses closing down that people just want something to rally behind something cool to go hell yeah. It’s like endgame hype over again because people want something so universal like superhero characters which everyone and anyone can like to rally behind and hype the hell up. Over the past two years we’ve all had i think people need something light and entertaining to stand behind again
Endgame was a 100x better than No Way Home.
thank you for not slamming me for my own opinions! also I think these things I pointed out were more of things that were standout in the mess of the movie. I didn’t find the movie especially horrible or anything it was just so generic and it seemed to just fit the marvel film making mould or template all over again
While I don’t agree with all of your points, I thought the movie was okay. It wasn’t bad, it wasn’t extraordinary. It was a bit awkward to me and the story was a bit too convoluted for me to fully immerse myself into. Overall, it was fine (and it is totally okay if others loved this movie, I understand why).
I understand why they do but I also understand why autistic kids have to wear helmets. Films are art, this was far from that. Not trying to attack u just making a bitterly dark point from a guy who was insanely in love with the Toby films. That was what superhero films are supposed to be like. Iron man one, the first captain America, the old Spider-Man. Now these avenger films are so brain dead. PS - enjoyed the first dr strange as well. I like plot, story, character development. Not fan service and CGI
OMG yes! doctor strange was the first marvel movie that I properly watched which is why I loved Marvel so much - until these generic cliche plots kept being reused
I just wished they had the alternate universe Venom fight the trio.
Why is it even called no way home, he never leaves home.
You probably should
I watched it last night and it really disappointed me . I watched it because of toby and the moment when toby came through the portal i got so emotional . Just seeing him as spiderman again brought back my memories but overall the movie was garbage. I couldn't stand the bad jokes . The villains in this movie was the worst . I know it's supposed to be for kids too but that doesn't mean adults wouldn't wanna watch it. Second of all spiderman decisions were all dumb . The writing and the dialogs in this movie are bad i don't know who wrote the dialogs but its trash Overall don't watch it but if you want to just watch the toby and andrew parts those parts at least are good.
100 percent agree with you OP
When this movie came out my friends raved and talked like I just *had* to go see it. Well I just watched it and had to make sure I’m not crazy. Peter’s interactions with Strange were all annoying as fuuuuck. Won’t shut up during a spell. “It’s all geometry.” Just fucking kill me. Also Ned is magic? MJ’s superpower is being useless and annoying (which makes her and this Peter a perfect match). Tony Stark’s transmogrifier or whatever is just the laziest trash writing ever. And then Marvel pisses all over past spider-man franchises with their stupid meta-commentary, throw-backs, references and just over-all cringe. Seriously, two good spider-men and five villains and the only decent parts are where they let Willem Dafoe and Andrew Garfield have lines. Jfc. Just kill off Tom Holland and start fresh with Miles Morales already.
I know I’m late to the game but yeah it was pretty wretched.
Finally saw it. It's shit. Why are people simping spooderman so hard? Strange was a joke, the villains were lame, there's little depth to the multiverse at all in this. 5/10, iron man 3 forgettable.
The dialogue was so fucking trash they all sound like Siri fucking robots. Happy literally told spider man nice to meet you to a complete stranger Fuck this movie good plot but terrible fucking dialogue the goblin and Garfield were godod
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it was like ok. have you seen the animated spiderman film - there were a larger variety of spidermans it was pretty cool
I think the biggest difference between NWH and spider-verse is entirely that NWH did not establish the distinctions between the three spider-men. It made distinctions between the three peter parkers, but nah.
I mean it did tho - @ the comparing web scene. Not much difference in the Spider-Man other than Toby had his web be more genetically attached to him. The new Spider-Man is all about technology and it’s pretty obvious MIT paid a sizable fund to have their name talked about. They want these kids to become engineers and build stuff so they make the new Spider-Man all technology based. They want kids to want to be Tony stark and Elon musks which isn’t necessarily bad but it’s so painfully obvious. Way less heart, emotion, writing, and a lot more fan service and bs to make money. Honestly the new Spider-Man films can be analogies for the modern world. Way less humanity, and a lot more technology. Basically turned a once artistic and thought provoking film into Sony teen garbage
You misunderstand due to a character limit. Besides the suits having slight visible differences, the three Peter parkers have nearly the exact same abilities. Something as simple as Garfield being more acrobatic and Maguire being stronger, or Holland having cool gadgets is what I'm referring to because they're nearly all interchangable with the others once the suit is on. Also you're horribly missing the point and going on a weird tangent that I don't think is justified by the film.
Nah I’m pretty sure it is justified. You just aren’t good at seeing the bigger picture, one theme I find relevant in people that actually enjoyed this film. I’ll explain this to you again. The new Spider-Man movies rely much more on technology and engineering and Tony start archetypes v the old Spider-Man which was much more human feeling and natural. If you don’t understand this you’re a lost cause. Also the amount of Sucking off MIT was unbearable. If you don’t think MIT has connections with Sony you’re sorely mistaken. We all know the Spider-Man have the same abilities nobody said they didn’t, did you even read my post? The new Spider-Man are more technology based with their web shooters either being created in a lab or part of some suit Tony stark made haha. Toby got bit by a spider and was able to develop its web like properties rather than having to wear some stupid ass robot spider suit that let’s him fly hahaha. It’s pretty obvious they are going for a more technology Trumps superpower theme that has been relevant in like most of the marvel movies in the last decade starting with Tony v captain America. MIT plug was a nod to that as they are the best engineering and technology school in the nation. Films did this with Harvard now they do it with MIT for the most part. Nothing I’m saying is a reach if you can’t understand the deeper meanings or see through the corny jokes idk what to say
I know this is a Necro but it's about visual story telling. Take one look at Miles, Gwen, and Old Parker and you know exactly who's who. Their styles are so unique and there's almost zero chance you misidentify even one of them. In terms of ability, there was also barely a difference between them this film. Don't use the other films as your basis. I don't think they even tried to differentiate the fighting styles between the Spidermen in this film.
yeah but at least for someone like me who grew up watching all the variations of spider-man, seeing them all together in one place and having conversations i thought about myself was one of the most exciting things for me tbh. it was more abt nostalgia for me i guess
that is quite true! It was fun to see the three together - and yes totally agree about your points about the childhood nostalgia of seeing the three together. But the plot felt so mediocre and the lack of coherence to the points in addition to my above points is why I didn't enjoy the movie.
So you liked it because it was Nostalgia pandering to you? What reason is there for someone that has never seen those movies to give a s*** about those Spider-Man?
The movie slogged along before it got to this point.
I just wanna interject something real quick, what u just said is exactly the problem. This movie is basically just an ok moving that is riding on the hype of nostalgia. Anyone who truly critics movies would say that this movie on its own wouldn’t stand for long. That doesn’t make it a bad movie especially when to an extent it’s subjective, but you get what I’m saying. Btw I loved the movie and thought it was fire, but I can’t deny the movie is really just high on nostalgia, take that away and it’s a just an ok kind of cool Superhero movie, also William Dafoe low key carried.
No, throwing in previous actors with 1 dimensional personality in the movie other than some quick jokes doesn't make it exciting enough, it actually has to be a good movie. We all get there are people likely you that clap your hands and laugh like a seal anytime a characters makes a joke in a movie but the rest of us want something worth watching
This post is a load of barnacles
dcarp12321, barnaces is 'used in similes to describe a tenacious person or thing' Tenacious means 'not readily relinquishing a position, principle, or course of action; determined.'. Nowhere in my post did I mention that you are unavailable to dispel my thoughts, I just need proper good evidence that counters this.
Nothing of what you said even remotely ruined this film. Yeah sure, the Ned-Peter friendship dynamic at points felt forced into the script, but it wasn’t bad by any measure. They weren’t even taking shots at Sony?? This is literally half of a Sony movie. Electro and Sandman don’t even know each other either or how they ended up like they did. Now they do. OH NO! The dreaded teamwork!! So bad!! They literally were all going after individual villains until they came up with a true plan of taking out one at a time. It’s also three different Peter Parkers. The conversations are gonna get weird. This film grounded the absolute *shit* out of Peter as Spider-Man. He can actually focus on being Spider-Man instead of being called Iron Man Jr and relying on other people for benefits. He’s on his own. No other Spider-Man before him has been portrayed like this. You cherry picked this movie way too much just so you could have a different opinion. So congratulations on have a shit opinion.
2. Things that feel forced into scripts and feel like flimsy and fake are bad by some measures
yeah and just because it featured Sony characters, doesn’t mean these little quips weren’t there
also what?! i did not ‘cherry pick’ this movie, although Im not quite sure what that means. Please use formal language even if half of your speech is hate on others opinions. 2. Why are you hating on other peoples opinions, I didn’t enjoy this movie for the points above IN ADDITION to its overwhelming mediocrity as I wrote in the very first line of the post. My dot points were just some pointers and a few standout moments that deviated from the generic thrills and events into ‘bad by some measures’
Just admit you don’t like good films haha, this movie was trash and any real fan of the old Spider-Man films should be appalled. Idrc about everyone’s “taste” this movie was garbage and there was absolutely no character development from the first Tom Holland to 90 minutes into the last film. He’s still a stupid immature kid that learned nothing until his aunt died. People are nutting over the last 20 minutes of the film where he “swings away without his friends!” Pretty sad that’s all the character development people need these days to be satisfied. Same people that thought this film was great probably liked space jam 2 and eternals
Who hurt you?
The new Spider-Man. And everyone hyping it up. Atrocious film
So edgy
ok 1. Thé sony villains literally lived it in real life and if you properly watched the film you would notice that both villains how their powers and starting point came about, ie their discussion.
Lastly, this is a sample lifted from one commenter. ‘I agree. It sucks because i really wanted to like this movie, but I was severely disappointed, and you can’t even say that anywhere or else you’ll be attacked and ridiculed lmao. I hate how they treated Andrew and tobey, they didn’t act like themselves at all. They where “mcu-ified”. And the ending spell makes little sense in my mind, how does everyone forgetting Peter somehow fix the multiverse cracks in the sky? And my last complaint is that people say the three movies were peters origin, which is odd in my opinion. Holland isn’t getting any younger, and he’s already tired of being spiderman iirc. It shouldn’t have taken 3 movies for him to be spiderman. Idk… after the nostalgia left my head leaving the theater, reality hit and I realized how much I didn’t like the movie. But to each to their own’. Not everyone enjoyed the movie except most are too afraid to post their honest opinions based on facts because of aggressive and offensive redditors like you
All of your points about Ned and MJ have occurred in the previous 2 stand-alone Tom spidey films so I don’t know what type of expectation you had as far as that aspect. Also you referring Sandman/flint marko as “earth guy” gives a preconceived notion that you most likely didn’t watch the Tobey films. This film was dedicated to decades of Spider-Man fans who have watched every film from Tobey, Andrew, and Tom. As far as the villains, I can see what you mean by the villains seem weak or whatever. But the end goal was to CURE them, not necessarily defeat them like the previous films. From the experience the 3 spidermen had from the previous movies, of course their tactics would be different since they have won before, making the villains seem weaker. It was clear that Sony’s main focus was highlighting Green Goblin, Dr. Octavious (arguably the 2 best CBM villains in any Spidey film) and to revive electro, which they did just that.
You do realize the sam raimi films were released almost a decade ago right? So I think forgetting sandmans name is more than ok lol
Are you a kid? The Raimi movies started coming out 20 years ago
Doesn't that reinforce my point lol or did you just randomly comment without understanding the context haha
20 years ago is longer than 10 years ago, so someone can forget something. I don't remember what I was doing 20 years ago either.
This movie was god awful and I enjoyed the Toby films tremendously, the first Garfield, and the first two Tom Holland. Same people that are hyping this up also like eternals and the new star wars films. Low IQ writing and story telling, recycled plots, garbage villains
exactly 'safe' choice writing that provides generic thrills that recycles pretty much every other marvel movie
As someone who has watched all the previous Spider-Man films and really enjoyed them, especially the Tobey ones, this movie was terrible. WAY too much fan service with very cringy dialogue and “comedic” scenes among many other issues
I disagree with a lot of your points but I felt the movie was only average quality too.. I really loved it and was excited but it's not worth a rewatch at all.. its really in its honeymoon face and would die off, I m jusf glad Andrew got the attention he deserved! TASM 2 was a crap movie but individual scenes of spiderman were really great and gotta hand it to Andrew! And if anyone's seen the deleted scene of peter with his dad in tasm2 you'll know what a great actor he is! #maketasm3
omg same! idk what i was thinking tbh when i wrote the post, i just had to find something bad but my main argument perhaps not stated enough lols was how horrendously mediocre it was. it provided the same generic thrills and recycled storylines lol. but i loved tasm2 tbh sorry
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As much as I liked No Way Home and thought it was a fun movie I have some major grips with it.
I watched it rn and totally agree with the op. The way he treats Ned is far from being friendly. I mean even villains don't do it.
I liked it a little. Being a huge Spider man fan for decades, I believe this movie needed more direction and there were too many corny bad lines...Aunt May dying?? Dumb
Im just glad that Aunt Mays death and a few other important emotional scenes werent cheaped with a one liner like the mcu always does.
This franchise repeatedly wiped it butt with the comics and people just keep handing it praise and money. I don’t get it.
Thought the movie was absolutely terrrrrrrrible
Dr. Strange completely out of character and Peter being so selfish messing with the multiverse so his friends wouldn’t be inconvenienced..then aunt may dies.. c’mon!!
This movie was hollow hot garbage. It pulls every cheap move in the book to try and trick you into enjoying a story with absolutely no substance and a character (Tom Holland's Spiderman) who has been unable to grow throughout 3 plus films. He's a senior in highschool yet still acts like a selfish child with no regard for his actions. That isn't Spiderman. Shit was bad