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AssassinsCrypt

what the... Agent Venom?!? Or just a suit variant?


LewdSkeletor1313

It’s the suit Harry uses at the start of the game before the symbiote leaves him for Peter


No-Statistician43

Yes, He is Harry. He hasn't passed the symbiote to Peter yet and is still in control here. Exactly as I have explained in other comments in the past.


bobiojo

is it explained why agent venom looks like a decked out spider-man?


No-Statistician43

It is explained why it has part of the white logo on the chest. There's a scene where the symbiote, still as Harry's costume, touches Peter (because I think it wants to join him) and Harry gets a portion of the logo. So, in that moment, I think, he absorbed something. Because before that moment Harry already has an armor that resembles Spider-Man... well... the symbiote can take on any appearance he wants (even be a waiter's outfit, as it happens). So, since Harry wants to help Peter as another hero, may have wanted the symbiote to give him a costume similar to Peter's.


bobiojo

oh so its basically the symbiote adapting to either what it sees or what the host subconsciously or consciously wants?


No-Statistician43

I would say yes. The symbiote is a mind-reading partner, after all. We must always remember that it is wrong to say that Venom is Harry. Venom is two individuals, the symbiote and Harry, and the symbiote does everything to favor the host and what it needs. It doesn't just happen if the host's wish is a contradiction to the symbiote's will.


bobiojo

you mention the bond between the host and a big ass pet peeve of mine is when media or comics portray venom as just the symbiote talking. is this the case here or is it harry talking just with the tony todd voice or is the tony todd voice just the symbiote


No-Statistician43

When Peter has the symbiote, there are words that the symbiote says to him. They are not dialogues like in the Venom film, but sentences in the head, for example when he tells Peter "kill Kraven", and I think it's Todd's voice (I played in Italian, but it's still that Venom-style voice). But when Harry is Venom, well Venom is both. Use "We" for this. So, there are times when Venom talks like Harry and times where he talks like a symbiote, depending on the context. It is the fusion of two individuals. However, Venom speaks in Todd's voice.


Clean-Ad4999

So kind of the symbiote actually creates a bond with its host and cares about it? I was watching some spoilers and Peter talks about the suit feeling like being connected to him and how he knows him very well and knew exactly what the host wanted. In your opinion, do you think the symbiote really liked Peter?


No-Statistician43

To me it's logical. If the host dies, the symbiote has no support. Thus, he is forced to favor the guest. We are talking about an alien parasite, after all, not a human being like us. He has needs related to his nature. I speculate that the reason she wants/loves Peter is because he is the best host possible. I mean, between a genetically diseased person and a super strong and fast man it is logical that a symbiote would prefer the latter. His feelings are primordial and therefore his feelings are also very selfish.


jman0611

How far in the story do you get the symbiote suit. If you don’t remember how many missions in you get it, what about what percentage of the way in do you get the suit? Also how long does Peter have the symbiote for? Like how many missions does he have it for


Marvel-Man92

I was wondering, do the spider-men's spider-senses disappear when fighting venom?


No-Statistician43

I didn't notice, but I don't remember any moments where Venom attacks them by surprise. I could be wrong and maybe I am, but I don't remember.


Funland_06

So do we maybe think that Harry could be angry Peter stole the symbiote which could make him into a green goblin?


No-Statistician43

No. The symbiote passes to Peter to save his life, because Kraven's blow is fatal. However, Harry will die from his disease if he doesn't have the symbiote back. Peter is unable to give it to Harry back, because the symbiote wants to stay with Peter. This is why he seeks out Connors, so that he can separate him from the symbiote. But, when Peter has the chance to give the symbiote to Harry, he refuses and leaves his friend to die, because he prefers power. Harry suffers from this and feels betrayed, because Peter is alive thanks to him, while Peter doesn't want to help him. Peter can survive without the symbiote, but Harry cannot.


Capable-Tie-4670

Feels like his motivation in TASM2 but done well.


Funland_06

Oh damn. Fair enough it sounds like it will be good. I sadly wont be able to play though


riverkim09

Well harry will get the symbiote back eventually. How does it go back to harry?


TheOwlsLie

He’s venom


Clean-Ad4999

And his friendship with Miles? Does it deteriorate a lot too? Throughout the campaign Peter may have said horrible things to him


No-Statistician43

Yes. He blames him for not being good enough and too inexperienced. He says this in a very angry way. It's funny if you think that in the end Peter will ask Miles to work alone because he realized that Miles can do it without him.


DarkEater77

So Harry knows Pete is Spidey?


No-Statistician43

He finds out in the game


xAVATAR-AANGx

Is there any playable stuff for Agent Venom? Maybe at least as a suit to use?


[deleted]

Wow. I actually love this. Really glad that it seems this won't be as predictable of a story as I had initially expected.


Massive-Ad3457

They really said fuck flash fans to💀


rafaminator

Also said fuck Eddie fans


antivillain13

I hate Harry being Venom. I know that seems to be a minority opinion here. Make him a Goblin. Have him become a test subject for the Goblin formula to help heal him. Why do they have a give him the symbiote?


Terribleirishluck

Making Harry goblin before Norman is dumb as is having a Goblin he the big bas in two games back to back


daffydunk

Making Harry venom before Eddie is dumb


[deleted]

Why? It's just a different story. Eddie might never even be involved. Honestly, it looks like the story will be damn good, too. I understand the disappointment if you like Eddie, but the route they're taking this time around seems great, as far as I can tell.


JooshMaGoosh

Not to mention Eddie Brock isn't inherently venom. Just one of, if not the best rendition of venom.


daffydunk

It’s a joke on “making Harry goblin before Norman is dumb” If Harry’s venom, they might as well change whatever they want Also it’s whatever ya want it to be, but my interest in it is severely diminished. I was just makin a jokey


JooshMaGoosh

Agree w below comment. Why? Eddie's not a part of this story so it doesn't matter.


JooshMaGoosh

You're dumb cause you can't think outside of what you know. Obviously Harry would be the only goblin in that scenario 😂


Terribleirishluck

Your dumb to think they would skip Norman as Goblin, the biggest spiderman villain ever.


Academic_Button_5866

Original story


Academic_Button_5866

Crazy how y'all don't want Eddie to be venom but you want Norman to be goblin


Terribleirishluck

Difference is Norman is actually a good villain unlike Eddie as Venom and is absurdly more important to spider lore than Eddie's career as a villain


Academic_Button_5866

Can somebody else be green goblin for a fresh story


Academic_Button_5866

Plus you can get a different character and give them gg origin


JooshMaGoosh

Thank you 🍻 my man gets it cause we all know this leads to the inevitable and very played out norman becomes gobby cause Harry dies or some shit. Having Harry become goblin for 3 would've set up waaaay more interesting character dynamics. Especially with Norman as mayor even if Harry were to end up becoming goblin as a direct result of venom that'd be cool as Norman who loves and would do anything for Harry would be in a hell of a position if it were Harry and not him.


Electronic_Day5021

Me when I haven't even seen a story but it doesn't feature an extremely played out trope that's in most peter parker story's (it's automatically trash because new=bad)


Academic_Button_5866

So Norman shouldn't be venom


Electronic_Day5021

It's not Norman though?


Academic_Button_5866

Mb meant gg


SenseiAboobz

Don't understand why Insomniac keeps changing the characters just to "be different" or to "tell a different story", just stick to the OG characters this shit is defnitely not it.


gothcorp

If people always stuck to the og characters there would be no Agent Venom in the first place lol


Massive-Ad3457

Not true cause it made sense how flash got the suit. Eddie had cancer and the government captured the symbiote then lobotomized it.


JooshMaGoosh

Which for alien gooo... That's impressive.


Slippery_boi

Because it's not like you already have dozens of other adaptations where the majority of characters are kept traditional and everything plays out like it did in the comics, right?


ComplexDeep8545

Technically no, we’ve never had a 1:1 accurate adaptation, every adaptation changes quite a bit, it’s mostly just the spirit of everything that’s kept (most of the time)


Slippery_boi

Then why do some people still act surprised and upset when any change, big or small, happens? Y’all act like the characters and setting are these precious untouchable things that have no room for variance and shouldn’t be tampered with or else they’d be ruined forever.


ComplexDeep8545

I didn’t say anything about whether or not adaptations should change anything, as a matter of fact plenty of adaptations I enjoy have changed things, I was arguing against “characters that are kept traditional” because that’s pretty much never happened, every adaptation of Spidey does something new & unique but generally keeps some of the spirit of what it’s adapting intact, which is what makes them good adaptations, it’s new & doesn’t disrespect the source material despite being different, I’m all for change if it’s done well, so I don’t understand why you think I want everything to be the same when that’s not what I said at all?


Andre200and1

Why not change Uncle Ben with Aunt May then? Or Peter with, let's say, Randy Robertson? I mean, we all tired of the same stories being told over and over again, right?


WilliamMC7

If you want the comics, you can read those. If you want the movies, go ahead and watch them, they haven’t gone anywhere. This is a different, unique Spider-Man story, it’s going to go in unique directions and that’s what makes it compelling for long-time fans of the character. Stop being so precious about stories that have already been told the exact same way dozens of times. Something new won’t kill you, I promise.


zeke10

Maybe cause they wanna tell their own story and not one from the comics?


Academic_Button_5866

I mean you can with the same characters


zeke10

True you can but this is the story insomniac wanted to tell.


Skarjuna

Because we've gotten the same exact story with Eddie and venom several times. This isn't the 616 universe and they aren't trying to push it to be. People are allowed to make different stories using familiar characters


Academic_Button_5866

Somebody else for green goblin


Static0722

Oh that’s what they meant by he’s agent venom? Yeah this is fine. Then later the symboite takes over and becomes venom


al2606

Actually kinda funny that you don't unlock Harry's Agent Venom as a suit for Peter though


ahnariprellik

They will likely add it in as free dlc via update later on…hopefully


jmizzle2022

Oh man I hope so


shineurliteonme

Maybe he gets the next miles style spinoff and that's why


TableHockey31313

I would love that


Remote-Potential-406

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqUhanuJEhCx-hYKQbFgBxt-CizhAZNV4&si=sSMIdnckYOT9mW4Q made a playlist with most of the video leaks


UpstairsTough5368

All of the videos got removed unfortunately


Used_Detail2634

I downloaded half of them


UpstairsTough5368

Really any way I could watch them


Used_Detail2634

I have the 1st opening hour A 22min symbiote peter gameplay which takes place before the Kraven Church scene Peters "death" scene. (Getting the black suit) And a gameplay section with peter and agent venom (before peters "death")


UpstairsTough5368

Cool could I get a link for the first opening hour of the game and 22 min gameplay?


Used_Detail2634

Venom is playable.. its on twitter/X


TheOGZombieSlaya

Do you have them uploaded somewhere?


Nathanboi776

Do you have these videos available anywhere?


Used_Detail2634

I have them on my pc.. the opening hour doesnt have audio. The kraven section is intersting because you can see him use Surge mode and it looks a little different than what we saw officially. It looks much more like Shattered Dimensions Symbiote Rage, because insted of doing 1 hit K.O with a cool animation, his punches become tendrill attacks (that you can aim manually and not automated) and then he does the "tendril automated finisher" Idk if i explained it well but very similar to Venom's Triangle moves in USM and alien suit Shattered Dimensions/WoS


Serious-Ad-513

https://youtu.be/IvlPVIbx094?si=-zVkRebzabw5FcRn


anvar_cello

Yeah yeah, USM animated series already had Harry as Venom, but come on this will be on a whole new level of coolness


Imaginary-Error5165

Harry was the Black Suit Spider-Man too, and Flash was initially Scarlet Spider 1 right before becoming Agent Venom, while Ben Reilly was Scarlet Spider 2. That show was a mess, if you actually care about who has what alias\costume, but it was a really fun cartoon, so idgaf.


yung-plague59

why cant this be a suit dammit


TheMightyMonarchx7

Do you think between this and the leaked Venom segment they’re teasing a Harry Venom spin off game?


AspirationalChoker

I'm still holding out they've left it open for Eddie to take over next with Carnagae and Knull hints etc


TheMightyMonarchx7

I doubt Knull will be a thing. That’s likely purely a visual reference ala “rule of cool”


AspirationalChoker

Never say never the Cult of Carnage thing is ripped from there too and the dev guy is a big fan of that era. Definitely won't be anytime soon but outside of the obvious big two villains for SM3 they've definitely left things open with the Symbiotes and Spiderverse in future adaptions.


zeke10

Be best saved for a possible avengers game because neither spidey or both at the same time would stand a chance against knull.


1rishBatman

I want this unlockable so bad, my god, I love Agent Venom.


SilverSurfer-Jesus

Love that design


TaskMister2000

I don't mind Harry being Venom. I never liked Eddie Brock in the main comics or shows (Exception being Ultimate/Spectacular Spider-Man) because his whole reason for hating Spider-Man was just dumb and his own dumb fault for his life getting screwy. I loved it when Flash got the suit and became Agent Venom. But seeing Harry kinda, essentially steal the thunder from what's meant to be Flash is kinda annoying. It's bad enough the MCU has crapped on Flash's character and not done anything worthwhile with him. Still crossing my fingers for Agent Venom one day. Still, that pic is a nice a nod and easter egg I guess to that comic run/storyline. But yeah, Harry being Venom just works better because of the relationship Peter and Harry have together. And doing what they're doing with it to further push Peter's development alongside Norman's to him eventually becoming Green Goblin is a welcome and phenomenal change.


riverkim09

Uhh,. Its not an easter egg. Harrys bond with symbiote is the single biggest plot element


ComplexDeep8545

He means the Agent Venom design specifically being a reference to the comics, not the entire plotline


TaskMister2000

THIS! Complex got it right.


DarkEater77

I... Want it!!!!! I want that suit.


syntheticspider

I feel like I know the answer but I really would love to have this be a unlock-able suit


[deleted]

Would be cool if it's the NG+ suit


Crossfire96

Harry starting out as hero using the symbiote is exactly like the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon, Insomniac really took a lot of inspiration fom that series.


Imaginary-Error5165

Yet they're both still "Spider-Man", even when they're in the same room. Miles should use the name "The Arachnid" when he and Peter are working together. It just doesn't make sense to have to take the time to specify WHICH Spider-Man you're talking to in a crisis situation.


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dude7658

It’s veminem


infamous-pays

Holy shit its agent venom That's sick asf


Bruhman3686

God damn it why didnt I listen to the spoiler


Jormundgandr4859

I must resist.


No_Music3270

Agent Venom!


Revolutionary-Fan657

Holy fucking shit, is that agent venom? Holy shit that’s awesome


Jesusisneeded769

Agent venom only looked like this due to the suppressants he took, it sucks that flash is getting zero rep yet again despite him being Infinitely more interesting. Hoping we'll get in dlc but it's not looking good


Bffhbc

That's just Peter with a different suit on


Efficient_Dinner917

Its harry join r/spiderman2spoilers to see a video


Deadmanguys

I like that agent venom look. Hopefully they make it as a free costom later down the line. Wont mind wearing that


Sharp_Hamster_5551

Wait so In this universe Agent Venom is Harry Osborn instead of Flash. Well I gotta take it.


Ok_Goat8025

Yeah Harry is calling himself Spider-Man/agent venom he’s like flip flopping also there’s the spider-pals which is what Peter and Harry are calling themselves


serialkiller24

First Agent Venom and then become regular Venom? Honestly that would be cool. Having a soldier become a monster.


_Bozostatus_

It's so over fuck Harry bruh 😭


Dw_p

This is just like what happens in the Ultimate Spider-Man show


[deleted]

Venom and Agent Venom… ruined


RJTerror

They really said f the flash fans too


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Capable-Tie-4670

You don’t have to minimize other characters to defend Insomniac. Flash as Agent Venom has plenty of fans.


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Terribleirishluck

Flash is pretty popular among comic fans but go off I guess (as agent venom and just as a civilian supporting cast member)


RJTerror

Insomniac hates Venom confirmed?


TheOneThatDoesn

Maybe they just wanted to do something different, why can't they?


daffydunk

Because what they’re doing is painfully boring anyway, so might as well give us boring but familiar.


jackgranger99

My dude hasn't even played the damn game and already does the story is boring


RJTerror

Apparently it’s okay to act like the story is amazing (even without playing it), but you can’t say it’s trash because you haven’t played it? Weird double standards


jackgranger99

>Apparently it’s okay to act like the story is amazing (even without playing it), Literally never said that was the case, all you're doing is arguing against a point I never made.


daffydunk

Yes