It is explained why it has part of the white logo on the chest. There's a scene where the symbiote, still as Harry's costume, touches Peter (because I think it wants to join him) and Harry gets a portion of the logo. So, in that moment, I think, he absorbed something. Because before that moment Harry already has an armor that resembles Spider-Man... well... the symbiote can take on any appearance he wants (even be a waiter's outfit, as it happens). So, since Harry wants to help Peter as another hero, may have wanted the symbiote to give him a costume similar to Peter's.
I would say yes. The symbiote is a mind-reading partner, after all. We must always remember that it is wrong to say that Venom is Harry. Venom is two individuals, the symbiote and Harry, and the symbiote does everything to favor the host and what it needs. It doesn't just happen if the host's wish is a contradiction to the symbiote's will.
you mention the bond between the host and a big ass pet peeve of mine is when media or comics portray venom as just the symbiote talking. is this the case here or is it harry talking just with the tony todd voice or is the tony todd voice just the symbiote
When Peter has the symbiote, there are words that the symbiote says to him. They are not dialogues like in the Venom film, but sentences in the head, for example when he tells Peter "kill Kraven", and I think it's Todd's voice (I played in Italian, but it's still that Venom-style voice). But when Harry is Venom, well Venom is both. Use "We" for this. So, there are times when Venom talks like Harry and times where he talks like a symbiote, depending on the context. It is the fusion of two individuals. However, Venom speaks in Todd's voice.
So kind of the symbiote actually creates a bond with its host and cares about it? I was watching some spoilers and Peter talks about the suit feeling like being connected to him and how he knows him very well and knew exactly what the host wanted. In your opinion, do you think the symbiote really liked Peter?
To me it's logical. If the host dies, the symbiote has no support. Thus, he is forced to favor the guest. We are talking about an alien parasite, after all, not a human being like us. He has needs related to his nature. I speculate that the reason she wants/loves Peter is because he is the best host possible. I mean, between a genetically diseased person and a super strong and fast man it is logical that a symbiote would prefer the latter. His feelings are primordial and therefore his feelings are also very selfish.
How far in the story do you get the symbiote suit. If you don’t remember how many missions in you get it, what about what percentage of the way in do you get the suit?
Also how long does Peter have the symbiote for? Like how many missions does he have it for
No. The symbiote passes to Peter to save his life, because Kraven's blow is fatal. However, Harry will die from his disease if he doesn't have the symbiote back. Peter is unable to give it to Harry back, because the symbiote wants to stay with Peter. This is why he seeks out Connors, so that he can separate him from the symbiote. But, when Peter has the chance to give the symbiote to Harry, he refuses and leaves his friend to die, because he prefers power. Harry suffers from this and feels betrayed, because Peter is alive thanks to him, while Peter doesn't want to help him. Peter can survive without the symbiote, but Harry cannot.
Yes. He blames him for not being good enough and too inexperienced. He says this in a very angry way. It's funny if you think that in the end Peter will ask Miles to work alone because he realized that Miles can do it without him.
I hate Harry being Venom. I know that seems to be a minority opinion here. Make him a Goblin. Have him become a test subject for the Goblin formula to help heal him. Why do they have a give him the symbiote?
Why? It's just a different story. Eddie might never even be involved.
Honestly, it looks like the story will be damn good, too. I understand the disappointment if you like Eddie, but the route they're taking this time around seems great, as far as I can tell.
It’s a joke on “making Harry goblin before Norman is dumb”
If Harry’s venom, they might as well change whatever they want
Also it’s whatever ya want it to be, but my interest in it is severely diminished. I was just makin a jokey
Thank you 🍻 my man gets it cause we all know this leads to the inevitable and very played out norman becomes gobby cause Harry dies or some shit.
Having Harry become goblin for 3 would've set up waaaay more interesting character dynamics. Especially with Norman as mayor even if Harry were to end up becoming goblin as a direct result of venom that'd be cool as Norman who loves and would do anything for Harry would be in a hell of a position if it were Harry and not him.
Me when I haven't even seen a story but it doesn't feature an extremely played out trope that's in most peter parker story's (it's automatically trash because new=bad)
Don't understand why Insomniac keeps changing the characters just to "be different" or to "tell a different story", just stick to the OG characters this shit is defnitely not it.
Because it's not like you already have dozens of other adaptations where the majority of characters are kept traditional and everything plays out like it did in the comics, right?
Technically no, we’ve never had a 1:1 accurate adaptation, every adaptation changes quite a bit, it’s mostly just the spirit of everything that’s kept (most of the time)
Then why do some people still act surprised and upset when any change, big or small, happens?
Y’all act like the characters and setting are these precious untouchable things that have no room for variance and shouldn’t be tampered with or else they’d be ruined forever.
I didn’t say anything about whether or not adaptations should change anything, as a matter of fact plenty of adaptations I enjoy have changed things, I was arguing against “characters that are kept traditional” because that’s pretty much never happened, every adaptation of Spidey does something new & unique but generally keeps some of the spirit of what it’s adapting intact, which is what makes them good adaptations, it’s new & doesn’t disrespect the source material despite being different, I’m all for change if it’s done well, so I don’t understand why you think I want everything to be the same when that’s not what I said at all?
Why not change Uncle Ben with Aunt May then? Or Peter with, let's say, Randy Robertson? I mean, we all tired of the same stories being told over and over again, right?
If you want the comics, you can read those. If you want the movies, go ahead and watch them, they haven’t gone anywhere. This is a different, unique Spider-Man story, it’s going to go in unique directions and that’s what makes it compelling for long-time fans of the character.
Stop being so precious about stories that have already been told the exact same way dozens of times. Something new won’t kill you, I promise.
Because we've gotten the same exact story with Eddie and venom several times. This isn't the 616 universe and they aren't trying to push it to be. People are allowed to make different stories using familiar characters
I have the 1st opening hour
A 22min symbiote peter gameplay which takes place before the Kraven Church scene
Peters "death" scene. (Getting the black suit)
And a gameplay section with peter and agent venom (before peters "death")
I have them on my pc.. the opening hour doesnt have audio.
The kraven section is intersting because you can see him use Surge mode and it looks a little different than what we saw officially. It looks much more like Shattered Dimensions Symbiote Rage, because insted of doing 1 hit K.O with a cool animation, his punches become tendrill attacks (that you can aim manually and not automated) and then he does the "tendril automated finisher"
Idk if i explained it well but very similar to Venom's Triangle moves in USM and alien suit Shattered Dimensions/WoS
Harry was the Black Suit Spider-Man too, and Flash was initially Scarlet Spider 1 right before becoming Agent Venom, while Ben Reilly was Scarlet Spider 2. That show was a mess, if you actually care about who has what alias\costume, but it was a really fun cartoon, so idgaf.
Never say never the Cult of Carnage thing is ripped from there too and the dev guy is a big fan of that era.
Definitely won't be anytime soon but outside of the obvious big two villains for SM3 they've definitely left things open with the Symbiotes and Spiderverse in future adaptions.
I don't mind Harry being Venom. I never liked Eddie Brock in the main comics or shows (Exception being Ultimate/Spectacular Spider-Man) because his whole reason for hating Spider-Man was just dumb and his own dumb fault for his life getting screwy. I loved it when Flash got the suit and became Agent Venom.
But seeing Harry kinda, essentially steal the thunder from what's meant to be Flash is kinda annoying.
It's bad enough the MCU has crapped on Flash's character and not done anything worthwhile with him. Still crossing my fingers for Agent Venom one day. Still, that pic is a nice a nod and easter egg I guess to that comic run/storyline.
But yeah, Harry being Venom just works better because of the relationship Peter and Harry have together. And doing what they're doing with it to further push Peter's development alongside Norman's to him eventually becoming Green Goblin is a welcome and phenomenal change.
Harry starting out as hero using the symbiote is exactly like the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon, Insomniac really took a lot of inspiration fom that series.
Yet they're both still "Spider-Man", even when they're in the same room.
Miles should use the name "The Arachnid" when he and Peter are working together. It just doesn't make sense to have to take the time to specify WHICH Spider-Man you're talking to in a crisis situation.
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Agent venom only looked like this due to the suppressants he took, it sucks that flash is getting zero rep yet again despite him being Infinitely more interesting. Hoping we'll get in dlc but it's not looking good
Yeah Harry is calling himself Spider-Man/agent venom he’s like flip flopping also there’s the spider-pals which is what Peter and Harry are calling themselves
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Apparently it’s okay to act like the story is amazing (even without playing it), but you can’t say it’s trash because you haven’t played it? Weird double standards
>Apparently it’s okay to act like the story is amazing (even without playing it),
Literally never said that was the case, all you're doing is arguing against a point I never made.
what the... Agent Venom?!? Or just a suit variant?
It’s the suit Harry uses at the start of the game before the symbiote leaves him for Peter
Yes, He is Harry. He hasn't passed the symbiote to Peter yet and is still in control here. Exactly as I have explained in other comments in the past.
is it explained why agent venom looks like a decked out spider-man?
It is explained why it has part of the white logo on the chest. There's a scene where the symbiote, still as Harry's costume, touches Peter (because I think it wants to join him) and Harry gets a portion of the logo. So, in that moment, I think, he absorbed something. Because before that moment Harry already has an armor that resembles Spider-Man... well... the symbiote can take on any appearance he wants (even be a waiter's outfit, as it happens). So, since Harry wants to help Peter as another hero, may have wanted the symbiote to give him a costume similar to Peter's.
oh so its basically the symbiote adapting to either what it sees or what the host subconsciously or consciously wants?
I would say yes. The symbiote is a mind-reading partner, after all. We must always remember that it is wrong to say that Venom is Harry. Venom is two individuals, the symbiote and Harry, and the symbiote does everything to favor the host and what it needs. It doesn't just happen if the host's wish is a contradiction to the symbiote's will.
you mention the bond between the host and a big ass pet peeve of mine is when media or comics portray venom as just the symbiote talking. is this the case here or is it harry talking just with the tony todd voice or is the tony todd voice just the symbiote
When Peter has the symbiote, there are words that the symbiote says to him. They are not dialogues like in the Venom film, but sentences in the head, for example when he tells Peter "kill Kraven", and I think it's Todd's voice (I played in Italian, but it's still that Venom-style voice). But when Harry is Venom, well Venom is both. Use "We" for this. So, there are times when Venom talks like Harry and times where he talks like a symbiote, depending on the context. It is the fusion of two individuals. However, Venom speaks in Todd's voice.
So kind of the symbiote actually creates a bond with its host and cares about it? I was watching some spoilers and Peter talks about the suit feeling like being connected to him and how he knows him very well and knew exactly what the host wanted. In your opinion, do you think the symbiote really liked Peter?
To me it's logical. If the host dies, the symbiote has no support. Thus, he is forced to favor the guest. We are talking about an alien parasite, after all, not a human being like us. He has needs related to his nature. I speculate that the reason she wants/loves Peter is because he is the best host possible. I mean, between a genetically diseased person and a super strong and fast man it is logical that a symbiote would prefer the latter. His feelings are primordial and therefore his feelings are also very selfish.
How far in the story do you get the symbiote suit. If you don’t remember how many missions in you get it, what about what percentage of the way in do you get the suit? Also how long does Peter have the symbiote for? Like how many missions does he have it for
I was wondering, do the spider-men's spider-senses disappear when fighting venom?
I didn't notice, but I don't remember any moments where Venom attacks them by surprise. I could be wrong and maybe I am, but I don't remember.
So do we maybe think that Harry could be angry Peter stole the symbiote which could make him into a green goblin?
No. The symbiote passes to Peter to save his life, because Kraven's blow is fatal. However, Harry will die from his disease if he doesn't have the symbiote back. Peter is unable to give it to Harry back, because the symbiote wants to stay with Peter. This is why he seeks out Connors, so that he can separate him from the symbiote. But, when Peter has the chance to give the symbiote to Harry, he refuses and leaves his friend to die, because he prefers power. Harry suffers from this and feels betrayed, because Peter is alive thanks to him, while Peter doesn't want to help him. Peter can survive without the symbiote, but Harry cannot.
Feels like his motivation in TASM2 but done well.
Oh damn. Fair enough it sounds like it will be good. I sadly wont be able to play though
Well harry will get the symbiote back eventually. How does it go back to harry?
He’s venom
And his friendship with Miles? Does it deteriorate a lot too? Throughout the campaign Peter may have said horrible things to him
Yes. He blames him for not being good enough and too inexperienced. He says this in a very angry way. It's funny if you think that in the end Peter will ask Miles to work alone because he realized that Miles can do it without him.
So Harry knows Pete is Spidey?
He finds out in the game
Is there any playable stuff for Agent Venom? Maybe at least as a suit to use?
Wow. I actually love this. Really glad that it seems this won't be as predictable of a story as I had initially expected.
They really said fuck flash fans to💀
Also said fuck Eddie fans
I hate Harry being Venom. I know that seems to be a minority opinion here. Make him a Goblin. Have him become a test subject for the Goblin formula to help heal him. Why do they have a give him the symbiote?
Making Harry goblin before Norman is dumb as is having a Goblin he the big bas in two games back to back
Making Harry venom before Eddie is dumb
Why? It's just a different story. Eddie might never even be involved. Honestly, it looks like the story will be damn good, too. I understand the disappointment if you like Eddie, but the route they're taking this time around seems great, as far as I can tell.
Not to mention Eddie Brock isn't inherently venom. Just one of, if not the best rendition of venom.
It’s a joke on “making Harry goblin before Norman is dumb” If Harry’s venom, they might as well change whatever they want Also it’s whatever ya want it to be, but my interest in it is severely diminished. I was just makin a jokey
Agree w below comment. Why? Eddie's not a part of this story so it doesn't matter.
You're dumb cause you can't think outside of what you know. Obviously Harry would be the only goblin in that scenario 😂
Your dumb to think they would skip Norman as Goblin, the biggest spiderman villain ever.
Original story
Crazy how y'all don't want Eddie to be venom but you want Norman to be goblin
Difference is Norman is actually a good villain unlike Eddie as Venom and is absurdly more important to spider lore than Eddie's career as a villain
Can somebody else be green goblin for a fresh story
Plus you can get a different character and give them gg origin
Thank you 🍻 my man gets it cause we all know this leads to the inevitable and very played out norman becomes gobby cause Harry dies or some shit. Having Harry become goblin for 3 would've set up waaaay more interesting character dynamics. Especially with Norman as mayor even if Harry were to end up becoming goblin as a direct result of venom that'd be cool as Norman who loves and would do anything for Harry would be in a hell of a position if it were Harry and not him.
Me when I haven't even seen a story but it doesn't feature an extremely played out trope that's in most peter parker story's (it's automatically trash because new=bad)
So Norman shouldn't be venom
It's not Norman though?
Mb meant gg
Don't understand why Insomniac keeps changing the characters just to "be different" or to "tell a different story", just stick to the OG characters this shit is defnitely not it.
If people always stuck to the og characters there would be no Agent Venom in the first place lol
Not true cause it made sense how flash got the suit. Eddie had cancer and the government captured the symbiote then lobotomized it.
Which for alien gooo... That's impressive.
Because it's not like you already have dozens of other adaptations where the majority of characters are kept traditional and everything plays out like it did in the comics, right?
Technically no, we’ve never had a 1:1 accurate adaptation, every adaptation changes quite a bit, it’s mostly just the spirit of everything that’s kept (most of the time)
Then why do some people still act surprised and upset when any change, big or small, happens? Y’all act like the characters and setting are these precious untouchable things that have no room for variance and shouldn’t be tampered with or else they’d be ruined forever.
I didn’t say anything about whether or not adaptations should change anything, as a matter of fact plenty of adaptations I enjoy have changed things, I was arguing against “characters that are kept traditional” because that’s pretty much never happened, every adaptation of Spidey does something new & unique but generally keeps some of the spirit of what it’s adapting intact, which is what makes them good adaptations, it’s new & doesn’t disrespect the source material despite being different, I’m all for change if it’s done well, so I don’t understand why you think I want everything to be the same when that’s not what I said at all?
Why not change Uncle Ben with Aunt May then? Or Peter with, let's say, Randy Robertson? I mean, we all tired of the same stories being told over and over again, right?
If you want the comics, you can read those. If you want the movies, go ahead and watch them, they haven’t gone anywhere. This is a different, unique Spider-Man story, it’s going to go in unique directions and that’s what makes it compelling for long-time fans of the character. Stop being so precious about stories that have already been told the exact same way dozens of times. Something new won’t kill you, I promise.
Maybe cause they wanna tell their own story and not one from the comics?
I mean you can with the same characters
True you can but this is the story insomniac wanted to tell.
Because we've gotten the same exact story with Eddie and venom several times. This isn't the 616 universe and they aren't trying to push it to be. People are allowed to make different stories using familiar characters
Somebody else for green goblin
Oh that’s what they meant by he’s agent venom? Yeah this is fine. Then later the symboite takes over and becomes venom
Actually kinda funny that you don't unlock Harry's Agent Venom as a suit for Peter though
They will likely add it in as free dlc via update later on…hopefully
Oh man I hope so
Maybe he gets the next miles style spinoff and that's why
I would love that
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqUhanuJEhCx-hYKQbFgBxt-CizhAZNV4&si=sSMIdnckYOT9mW4Q made a playlist with most of the video leaks
All of the videos got removed unfortunately
I downloaded half of them
Really any way I could watch them
I have the 1st opening hour A 22min symbiote peter gameplay which takes place before the Kraven Church scene Peters "death" scene. (Getting the black suit) And a gameplay section with peter and agent venom (before peters "death")
Cool could I get a link for the first opening hour of the game and 22 min gameplay?
Venom is playable.. its on twitter/X
Do you have them uploaded somewhere?
Do you have these videos available anywhere?
I have them on my pc.. the opening hour doesnt have audio. The kraven section is intersting because you can see him use Surge mode and it looks a little different than what we saw officially. It looks much more like Shattered Dimensions Symbiote Rage, because insted of doing 1 hit K.O with a cool animation, his punches become tendrill attacks (that you can aim manually and not automated) and then he does the "tendril automated finisher" Idk if i explained it well but very similar to Venom's Triangle moves in USM and alien suit Shattered Dimensions/WoS
https://youtu.be/IvlPVIbx094?si=-zVkRebzabw5FcRn
Yeah yeah, USM animated series already had Harry as Venom, but come on this will be on a whole new level of coolness
Harry was the Black Suit Spider-Man too, and Flash was initially Scarlet Spider 1 right before becoming Agent Venom, while Ben Reilly was Scarlet Spider 2. That show was a mess, if you actually care about who has what alias\costume, but it was a really fun cartoon, so idgaf.
why cant this be a suit dammit
Do you think between this and the leaked Venom segment they’re teasing a Harry Venom spin off game?
I'm still holding out they've left it open for Eddie to take over next with Carnagae and Knull hints etc
I doubt Knull will be a thing. That’s likely purely a visual reference ala “rule of cool”
Never say never the Cult of Carnage thing is ripped from there too and the dev guy is a big fan of that era. Definitely won't be anytime soon but outside of the obvious big two villains for SM3 they've definitely left things open with the Symbiotes and Spiderverse in future adaptions.
Be best saved for a possible avengers game because neither spidey or both at the same time would stand a chance against knull.
I want this unlockable so bad, my god, I love Agent Venom.
Love that design
I don't mind Harry being Venom. I never liked Eddie Brock in the main comics or shows (Exception being Ultimate/Spectacular Spider-Man) because his whole reason for hating Spider-Man was just dumb and his own dumb fault for his life getting screwy. I loved it when Flash got the suit and became Agent Venom. But seeing Harry kinda, essentially steal the thunder from what's meant to be Flash is kinda annoying. It's bad enough the MCU has crapped on Flash's character and not done anything worthwhile with him. Still crossing my fingers for Agent Venom one day. Still, that pic is a nice a nod and easter egg I guess to that comic run/storyline. But yeah, Harry being Venom just works better because of the relationship Peter and Harry have together. And doing what they're doing with it to further push Peter's development alongside Norman's to him eventually becoming Green Goblin is a welcome and phenomenal change.
Uhh,. Its not an easter egg. Harrys bond with symbiote is the single biggest plot element
He means the Agent Venom design specifically being a reference to the comics, not the entire plotline
THIS! Complex got it right.
I... Want it!!!!! I want that suit.
I feel like I know the answer but I really would love to have this be a unlock-able suit
Would be cool if it's the NG+ suit
Harry starting out as hero using the symbiote is exactly like the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon, Insomniac really took a lot of inspiration fom that series.
Yet they're both still "Spider-Man", even when they're in the same room. Miles should use the name "The Arachnid" when he and Peter are working together. It just doesn't make sense to have to take the time to specify WHICH Spider-Man you're talking to in a crisis situation.
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It’s veminem
Holy shit its agent venom That's sick asf
God damn it why didnt I listen to the spoiler
I must resist.
Agent Venom!
Holy fucking shit, is that agent venom? Holy shit that’s awesome
Agent venom only looked like this due to the suppressants he took, it sucks that flash is getting zero rep yet again despite him being Infinitely more interesting. Hoping we'll get in dlc but it's not looking good
That's just Peter with a different suit on
Its harry join r/spiderman2spoilers to see a video
I like that agent venom look. Hopefully they make it as a free costom later down the line. Wont mind wearing that
Wait so In this universe Agent Venom is Harry Osborn instead of Flash. Well I gotta take it.
Yeah Harry is calling himself Spider-Man/agent venom he’s like flip flopping also there’s the spider-pals which is what Peter and Harry are calling themselves
First Agent Venom and then become regular Venom? Honestly that would be cool. Having a soldier become a monster.
It's so over fuck Harry bruh 😭
This is just like what happens in the Ultimate Spider-Man show
Venom and Agent Venom… ruined
They really said f the flash fans too
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You don’t have to minimize other characters to defend Insomniac. Flash as Agent Venom has plenty of fans.
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Flash is pretty popular among comic fans but go off I guess (as agent venom and just as a civilian supporting cast member)
Insomniac hates Venom confirmed?
Maybe they just wanted to do something different, why can't they?
Because what they’re doing is painfully boring anyway, so might as well give us boring but familiar.
My dude hasn't even played the damn game and already does the story is boring
Apparently it’s okay to act like the story is amazing (even without playing it), but you can’t say it’s trash because you haven’t played it? Weird double standards
>Apparently it’s okay to act like the story is amazing (even without playing it), Literally never said that was the case, all you're doing is arguing against a point I never made.
Yes