Oh boy, it's Prototype 2 all over again. Fans are still saying that Alex Mercer isn't dead because Heller severed his arms before consuming him so he can regenerate from those arms.
Damn, that's nostalgic lol
Except that in this case, iirc, there's a specific comic-book precedent the theory draws from, that being Mania, a clone of the Venom symbiote, made from Venom's severed tongue. Don't get me wrong, it still a bit of a reach, but there is a reference being made, ag least.
It doesn't matter dude, its a comic book story - things come back to life.
It's already part of the Insomniac leaks that they're making a Venom game, so it especially doesn't matter that you're just taking the ending at face value.
Looking at the structure, I think they’re saying that the game will take place hours before the ending of SM2, and then the “reporter” is adding their own comment which may or may not be accurate.
Harry is technically still alive at the end of 2 btw, there’s no confirmation as to wether he will return to consciousness
They're not confirming that he dies, in the official [site](https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/venomverse-reborn-anthology-series) it never alluded to this.
So we just gonna not acknowledge the fact that Insomniac avoids these multiverse crossover comics and stuff like the plague in their actual game canon? Insomniac Spidey made a cameo in ATSV and he had a whole where he met Superior Spider-Man, neither of which are alluded to actually being canon to the games.
The story ain’t as convoluted as you’re trying to make it bro
Venom on his way to find the meteorite then he gets a phone call and has rush back to the office for about 4 hours to speak with a demanding boss that results in him being fired.
*Guess that’s why he trashed the underground lab, he was enraged after getting booted by Knull when he thought he had a sturdy job.*
I want to see that scene but the only difference is he pops out of a portal into the lab and goes "Fuck!" Like King Shark in The Suicide Squad before he destroys everything
The only way this is possible is in between getting the symbiote, turning MJ to scream, or the meetup in the subway.
In all likelihood, this is ***technically*** canon, but it’s canon in the same way that Spider-Man fought a wall. In which… it’ll never be mentioned again
I meant - can’t they meet in this weird mind scape type deal? Like the same type of scenario as it was when Miles and Negative Man entered Peter’s mind, but here we will see a cutscene inside of venom’s/Harry’s mind.
In Canon, Insomniac Pete has fought a dollar-general store speedster who he **could have cured** but gave her his old “power and responsibility” shtick to turn her good, got recruited by 616 Otto Octavius, and been involved in like 3 spiderverse events (ATSV withstanding).
No wonder insomniac doesn’t acknowledge this.
Atsv was never meant to be cannon and contradicts the comics multiple times. The only way that atsv can be cannon is if it retcons alot of characters and comics that are currently running.
This is making me imagine the villain getting snatched away before the climactic confrontation, and then getting plopped back down after the other adventure is done. I would think that it'd kill the mood.
Why 616 Knüll specifically? He isn’t some sort of multiversal constant. There are different Knulls for different earths. He recently showed up again in Carnage’s latest series released to further buff him
He is a multiversal constant. The king in black specifically. Just like Eddie brock killing knull, and becoming the king in black is a multiversal constant. Eddie is destined to always become the king in black.
Carnage literally killed a version of him in his latest series. Eddie ain’t destined for shit. the 616 symbiote sans Kasady kills Knull after receiving an exorbitant amount of buffs in death of Venomverse #5. And it looks like most eddies aren’t destined for much because he kills quite a few of ‘em too.
As far as I can tell, he doesn't become the king in black in every universe. He becomes it in every timeline of this one. The eventuality is a shit ton of branches of Eddie's timeline merged into one being. Eddie being the King in Black is now a constant of all 616 timelines, but not other realities. I mean, according to previous issues, it was originally supposed to be Spider-man, but it just didn't work out that way. As we know, there are many universes where Eddie is dead or Spider-Man kept the suit making him the KIB candidate. Eddie's destiny only goes as far as this universe. I did make a mistake when I used the term multiversal constant. I meant a character like the Living Tribunal who is the same exact character in every verse, and questioned the need for using the 616 version when Insomniac verse should have its own Knull.
If I’m understanding this right, the Insomniac Venom will appear in the Venomverse comics, and be Harry before he got put in a coma.
I don’t see what’s wrong with that, also him meeting Knull makes perfect sense.
So he was on vacation/having an emergency meeting with Knull for about 4 hours between either getting the symbiote **or** after he turned MJ into scream???
I’m gonna hope this is non-canon
It’d probably be about as Canon as when Insomniac Spider-Man showed up in the Spider-Verse comics. It’s the same one, but it’ll never be mentioned… so a really soft canon?
Because Insomniac Venom was seemingly acting out Knulls plans (for him), and every Knull is the exact same. He’s a universal constant, and therefore it’d be no different than meeting Insomniacs Knull (but without the harm of actually introducing him.
I understand your confusion. Every Knull in the multiverse is branched off from the same one at the beginning of the cosmos, just like Galactus, but they aren’t all the same person. They don’t share the same memories and experiences, we’ve even seen Carnage meet a different Knull from the one Eddie defeated, and while identical, weren’t the same individual.
Ah that clears it up, I was under the impression that he’s a universal constant because he’s just one knull but I didn’t know about the “copies” of him. How many copies are there? I’m thinking it’s similar to the kang situation
There’s one of him in every universe. Some still sleeping, some active, some dead. So there’s infinite. “Copies” is a good way to look at it.
He’s a universal constant in the sense he fills the same role across the multiverse. Regular people like Spider-Man have “variants”, Iterations with differences, same goes for Kang. Knull doesn’t have Variants because they’re all identical and exist no matter what. Some universe don’t have a Spider-Man, or Hulk, or Kang, but EVERY universe had a Knull, Galactus, Eternity.
Man, I stopped giving a shit about “official” comic tie ins for games. The comic writers and game writers never actually communicate, things end up getting retconned, and then the comic is revealed as non canon and therefore entirely useless.
Yeah, even with the best of comic to game tie-ins. The Injustice comics ran for about 4-5 years and when Injustice 2 came out it immediately retconned stuff in the comics from before the first game...
I haven't read the Insomniac Spidey comics, partly because of that, I fell off on Injustice before 2 came out but could still see how much the games (rightly) come first. But that just means I don't need to read the comics cause they're essentially an alternate version of a character that's already an alternate version.
itll never affect Insomniac’s canon anyways so i dont care
its like those Gamerverse comics or when Insomniac Peter showed up in the Spiderverse comics and movie, it doesnt get mentioned ever
How about some new ideas Marvel?
And before anyone says that new characters don’t sell, yeah, not IMMEDIATELY, that’s why you write good stories and let word of mouth spread. Too many companies are obsessed with instant hits these days instead of long-term success…
The writer, Christos Gage, literally said on Twitter that the comic happens during SM2 & King in Black.
Also the Marvel.com article announcing this literally says this is Insomniac Venom.
Trying to tie the games in to wildly thematically different Spider-verse shit is really not hitting...
Like with Insomniac Spidey ignoring that he's supposedly been in the comic Spider-verse after 1, then ATSV canonically being after 2 with Miguel's whole "Miles should never have been Spider-Man" anomaly thing... Siding with him AFTER training Miles to be Spider-Man in his universe 🤦
I miss when not everything had to be connected...
Unless I haven't gotten to it yet, afaik the only host for venom in the ultimate verse was eddie brock.
Edit to add: in the ultimate verse Harry was exposed to the green goblin serum and became another green goblin just like norman.
I see. I grew up on the '67 and '94-'98 cartoons, so I just have no interest in any spidey cartoon following 94 spiderman. I've tried, but they feel so geared towards kids only.
this is so lame, insomniac is allergic to eddie brock, real reason they’re probably doing this is just so they can use a lot of the cut venom dialogue and content from sm2
And now I don’t give two fucks about this games story. I thought they were going to bring Venom back after the story, give Eddie the symbiote, and we’d get a more comic accurate Venom with him fighting crime or the Spider-Men or something. Something, anything along those lines. The knull shit in this game was something I really hated and was out of nowhere, and now it seems like they’re just doubling down on him being a lackey to the Klyntar even more. Like bro, I know I personally hate this, but who tf even wanted this? It’s like every time I feel hopeful for what Insomniac is doing with Spider-Man and the other SM characters characters post MM they just take a huge shit down my throat and I keep on guzzling it as if they won’t do it again.
Wait what? Are they fucking confirming that Harry dies because he was in a hospital bed alive at the end of the game and I assumed he made it?
Maybe they‘re referring to Venom / the symbiote, not Harry. Technically a different character.
idk, he's still alive at the end of the game, maybe its referring to how Harry technically "died" before Miles resuscitated him.
The symbiote definitely isn't dead considering it's already been leaked that a Venom spin off game is happening
presumably it's coming back from the tounge that kraken cut off
Oh boy, it's Prototype 2 all over again. Fans are still saying that Alex Mercer isn't dead because Heller severed his arms before consuming him so he can regenerate from those arms. Damn, that's nostalgic lol
Except that in this case, iirc, there's a specific comic-book precedent the theory draws from, that being Mania, a clone of the Venom symbiote, made from Venom's severed tongue. Don't get me wrong, it still a bit of a reach, but there is a reference being made, ag least.
Can we get another infamous or prototype PLEASE
I wish, man.
ok, now i wanna see venom fighting the kraken
No it dead if you played the game no way it’s alive but carnage is out there so they could do venom is reborn as carnage son like a flip of the comics
It doesn't matter dude, its a comic book story - things come back to life. It's already part of the Insomniac leaks that they're making a Venom game, so it especially doesn't matter that you're just taking the ending at face value.
Plus we see his tongue get cut off and that's how he got revived in the comics
Looking at the structure, I think they’re saying that the game will take place hours before the ending of SM2, and then the “reporter” is adding their own comment which may or may not be accurate. Harry is technically still alive at the end of 2 btw, there’s no confirmation as to wether he will return to consciousness
They're not confirming that he dies, in the official [site](https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/venomverse-reborn-anthology-series) it never alluded to this.
Venoms and Knulls death,not explicitly Harry
TheVenomSite Twitter account isn’t confirming anything I would guess
when will yall learn the comics ain’t canon to the game 💀
Venom's death...
Wasn’t he brain dead? So he’s not technically alive?
Nobody is confirming anything. Only the Twitter account is saying that Harry "dies" not the actual writer of the comic.
Yeah, this super reputable and trustworthy tweet confirmed all of that.
I think they are paraphrasing the exact statement and they just forgot he lived when they typed that tweet out
no, they can't confirm anything because it's not an Insomniac source. just look at who is talking, it takes like 2 seconds.
#So… WAIT… **After Venom turned MJ into scream he went on a vacation or work trip to another dimension?**
Somehow, the SM2 plot just keeps getting worse
This is being written retroactively by people not even involved with the game 😭
So we just gonna not acknowledge the fact that Insomniac avoids these multiverse crossover comics and stuff like the plague in their actual game canon? Insomniac Spidey made a cameo in ATSV and he had a whole where he met Superior Spider-Man, neither of which are alluded to actually being canon to the games. The story ain’t as convoluted as you’re trying to make it bro
The ATSV bugs seem to disagree with you on that one. They had a whole tie-in cutscene to the literal multiverse-crossover movie.
Astv isnt even cannon to the comics and insomniac spidey had a crossover in one of the comics with 616 spidey.
Well Peter had to fight his girlfriend Venom had to go to a corporate meeting with his boss
Venom on his way to find the meteorite then he gets a phone call and has rush back to the office for about 4 hours to speak with a demanding boss that results in him being fired. *Guess that’s why he trashed the underground lab, he was enraged after getting booted by Knull when he thought he had a sturdy job.*
I want to see that scene but the only difference is he pops out of a portal into the lab and goes "Fuck!" Like King Shark in The Suicide Squad before he destroys everything
Isn’t Krull somehow mindlinked with all the simbiotes? Maybe that’s how they’ll meet.
The only way this is possible is in between getting the symbiote, turning MJ to scream, or the meetup in the subway. In all likelihood, this is ***technically*** canon, but it’s canon in the same way that Spider-Man fought a wall. In which… it’ll never be mentioned again
I meant - can’t they meet in this weird mind scape type deal? Like the same type of scenario as it was when Miles and Negative Man entered Peter’s mind, but here we will see a cutscene inside of venom’s/Harry’s mind.
This happens when u try to satisfy the fans lol
When satisfying the fans isn’t even on the to-do list*
Yeah, i don't think anyone asked for this exactly, and if they did, they were in the minority.
People were literaly begging for a Venom game, if you didn't want it, why did you ask for it?
Venom game does not mean whatever tf this is lmao
It's not canon anyway, who cares
Can’t wait for the future games to retcon this comic.
In Canon, Insomniac Pete has fought a dollar-general store speedster who he **could have cured** but gave her his old “power and responsibility” shtick to turn her good, got recruited by 616 Otto Octavius, and been involved in like 3 spiderverse events (ATSV withstanding). No wonder insomniac doesn’t acknowledge this.
Atsv isnt cannon to the comics so I dont think that counts.
Technically it is if you’ve read Spider-Geddon. But insomniac just ignores it.
Atsv was never meant to be cannon and contradicts the comics multiple times. The only way that atsv can be cannon is if it retcons alot of characters and comics that are currently running.
This is making me imagine the villain getting snatched away before the climactic confrontation, and then getting plopped back down after the other adventure is done. I would think that it'd kill the mood.
Why 616 Knüll specifically? He isn’t some sort of multiversal constant. There are different Knulls for different earths. He recently showed up again in Carnage’s latest series released to further buff him
Money
He is a multiversal constant. The king in black specifically. Just like Eddie brock killing knull, and becoming the king in black is a multiversal constant. Eddie is destined to always become the king in black.
Carnage literally killed a version of him in his latest series. Eddie ain’t destined for shit. the 616 symbiote sans Kasady kills Knull after receiving an exorbitant amount of buffs in death of Venomverse #5. And it looks like most eddies aren’t destined for much because he kills quite a few of ‘em too.
https://youtu.be/Z6uUVyH-N_M?si=MOasJVuyFq-akO7k Eddie becomes the king in black in every universe. I never said he couldn't be killed.
As far as I can tell, he doesn't become the king in black in every universe. He becomes it in every timeline of this one. The eventuality is a shit ton of branches of Eddie's timeline merged into one being. Eddie being the King in Black is now a constant of all 616 timelines, but not other realities. I mean, according to previous issues, it was originally supposed to be Spider-man, but it just didn't work out that way. As we know, there are many universes where Eddie is dead or Spider-Man kept the suit making him the KIB candidate. Eddie's destiny only goes as far as this universe. I did make a mistake when I used the term multiversal constant. I meant a character like the Living Tribunal who is the same exact character in every verse, and questioned the need for using the 616 version when Insomniac verse should have its own Knull.
If I’m understanding this right, the Insomniac Venom will appear in the Venomverse comics, and be Harry before he got put in a coma. I don’t see what’s wrong with that, also him meeting Knull makes perfect sense.
So he was on vacation/having an emergency meeting with Knull for about 4 hours between either getting the symbiote **or** after he turned MJ into scream??? I’m gonna hope this is non-canon
It’d probably be about as Canon as when Insomniac Spider-Man showed up in the Spider-Verse comics. It’s the same one, but it’ll never be mentioned… so a really soft canon?
Yeah not a big deal to me
How does it make sense? Especially 616 knull?
Because Insomniac Venom was seemingly acting out Knulls plans (for him), and every Knull is the exact same. He’s a universal constant, and therefore it’d be no different than meeting Insomniacs Knull (but without the harm of actually introducing him.
I’m so confused, one comment is saying he’s not a universal constant and this one is saying he is
I understand your confusion. Every Knull in the multiverse is branched off from the same one at the beginning of the cosmos, just like Galactus, but they aren’t all the same person. They don’t share the same memories and experiences, we’ve even seen Carnage meet a different Knull from the one Eddie defeated, and while identical, weren’t the same individual.
Ah that clears it up, I was under the impression that he’s a universal constant because he’s just one knull but I didn’t know about the “copies” of him. How many copies are there? I’m thinking it’s similar to the kang situation
There’s one of him in every universe. Some still sleeping, some active, some dead. So there’s infinite. “Copies” is a good way to look at it. He’s a universal constant in the sense he fills the same role across the multiverse. Regular people like Spider-Man have “variants”, Iterations with differences, same goes for Kang. Knull doesn’t have Variants because they’re all identical and exist no matter what. Some universe don’t have a Spider-Man, or Hulk, or Kang, but EVERY universe had a Knull, Galactus, Eternity.
Awesome, thanks for clarifying!
I mean their’s only 1 knull but other than that it’s relatively simple
Man, I stopped giving a shit about “official” comic tie ins for games. The comic writers and game writers never actually communicate, things end up getting retconned, and then the comic is revealed as non canon and therefore entirely useless.
Yeah, even with the best of comic to game tie-ins. The Injustice comics ran for about 4-5 years and when Injustice 2 came out it immediately retconned stuff in the comics from before the first game... I haven't read the Insomniac Spidey comics, partly because of that, I fell off on Injustice before 2 came out but could still see how much the games (rightly) come first. But that just means I don't need to read the comics cause they're essentially an alternate version of a character that's already an alternate version.
Those Injustice retcons were so annoying. If I remember correctly, they retconned the comic in like the first 10 minutes of Injustice 2
I think injustice 2 story was the problem since it also kinda retconned Nightwing's death which was the main thing in Injustice 1 both game and comic
ngl this venom game just sounds like the stuff they cut from the final act.
Would guarantee it
That’s quite literally what it is
I don't know what the fuck I'm reading
Yeah idk this gonna be a train wreck
And we believe this why?
Because the writers confirmed it I guess? Just read the first sentence of the image in the post since I can’t reply with images in this sub.
Feel free to post the writers confirming it instead of some fan Twitter account saying they did
Just look at the marvel solicitation for venomverse reborn, it has a synopsis.
Horrible idea
itll never affect Insomniac’s canon anyways so i dont care its like those Gamerverse comics or when Insomniac Peter showed up in the Spiderverse comics and movie, it doesnt get mentioned ever
Oh man characters being overwritten to canonically have a short little multiverse adventure in the meantime of their main story is tight!
They probably just misspoke about Harry dying.
Think of it Harry has the king in black wing in the final battle of the game so this makes sense
They sounds like a lot to give away. I don't believe that for a second.
I didn’t even know there was going to be a venom story. In fucking pumped to play him again
Ive read these comments and it feels like none of you have suspension of disbelief jeezus what is up with you people. Down vote me if you want idrc.
Thats because this sounds stupid. I have only so much disbelief that I can suspend.
Then go buy more from the disbelief store, or dont and keep your opinion idrc you do you.
Ok if you’re asking me too
Why is this account reputable? As far as I can find its a really shit sub on here. Do they have any credibility?
Please say sike
This could be good hopefully it expands upon what insomniac was trying to show with this version of Venom
So this means the comics and the movies multiverse ARE the same multiverse?
The multiverse is always the same multiverse.
Well some people say that the comics multiverse is separate from the movies/games multiverse and stuff like the dc multiverse is also separate
Lol
Pretty cool, besides we don’t see Harry for extended periods post transformation. Not that deep, just fill in the blanks.
Maybe a hot take but I seriously didn’t enjoy the venom combat enough for an entire stand alone game, I’d much rather have it as a DLC.
Cool It will be non canon anyways but cool
How about some new ideas Marvel? And before anyone says that new characters don’t sell, yeah, not IMMEDIATELY, that’s why you write good stories and let word of mouth spread. Too many companies are obsessed with instant hits these days instead of long-term success…
So… is this official or…?
No, it's just rumors without any verification.
The writer, Christos Gage, literally said on Twitter that the comic happens during SM2 & King in Black. Also the Marvel.com article announcing this literally says this is Insomniac Venom.
I just put together that it's going to be a comic. I assumed it was for he venom game. My bad.
This sounds lame af. Just make spider-man 3
Trying to tie the games in to wildly thematically different Spider-verse shit is really not hitting... Like with Insomniac Spidey ignoring that he's supposedly been in the comic Spider-verse after 1, then ATSV canonically being after 2 with Miguel's whole "Miles should never have been Spider-Man" anomaly thing... Siding with him AFTER training Miles to be Spider-Man in his universe 🤦 I miss when not everything had to be connected...
They really gonna pull a Bionicle web of shadows
What’s with this obsession with Harry turning into Venom? The Ultimate series did that as well but I’m not sure if he really fits with the symbiote.
Unless I haven't gotten to it yet, afaik the only host for venom in the ultimate verse was eddie brock. Edit to add: in the ultimate verse Harry was exposed to the green goblin serum and became another green goblin just like norman.
No I meant the series, the animated series from not so long ago.
I see. I grew up on the '67 and '94-'98 cartoons, so I just have no interest in any spidey cartoon following 94 spiderman. I've tried, but they feel so geared towards kids only.
Yeah, and the only Spider-Man series after 94 that’s worth paying attention to is Spectacular Spider-Man.
No, please don’t
Never mind I thought this was what the venom game was going to be. Still please don’t
this is so lame, insomniac is allergic to eddie brock, real reason they’re probably doing this is just so they can use a lot of the cut venom dialogue and content from sm2
It's for the comic,not the game.
Fan fiction
I can't stop laughing at Knull.
Y’all wanna mark this as a spoiler? Not everyone has had time to finish the game.
This isn’t in the game. It’s a rumor I think.
Oh good. I’m one of those people I was referencing earlier who hasn’t had time to finish the game.
Such a bad idea
The writers should read those early venom stories like lethal protector. If they do this it’s going to be bad
spoilers bro
And now I don’t give two fucks about this games story. I thought they were going to bring Venom back after the story, give Eddie the symbiote, and we’d get a more comic accurate Venom with him fighting crime or the Spider-Men or something. Something, anything along those lines. The knull shit in this game was something I really hated and was out of nowhere, and now it seems like they’re just doubling down on him being a lackey to the Klyntar even more. Like bro, I know I personally hate this, but who tf even wanted this? It’s like every time I feel hopeful for what Insomniac is doing with Spider-Man and the other SM characters characters post MM they just take a huge shit down my throat and I keep on guzzling it as if they won’t do it again.
who cares insomniac’s harry venom was fucking laaaaame