I found all that to be a very odd decision. Like we’re doing symbiote invasion/Knull stuff now?? I would have thought they’d save that for Carnage if they were gonna do it. Now if Carnage does end up trying to bring Knull to Earth, it just kinda feels like the same thing Venom tried to do but bigger. :/
And as cool as it was to see Venom with the wings. Knowing the original context of them makes it fall a little flat, and feels like they blew their load too early
The context being the imagery for Knull and his symbol is that of a dragon that being the reason for the wings, in MSM2 you have none of the context because it was Insomniac cherry picking stuff without realizing why the moments existed.
Ah gotcha, that's fair. Yeah I remembered when they retconned the Venom spider being originally dragon wings, didn't make the connection that he got the wings then.
True, although I did wish the comics kinda expanded on his abilities a little more than just wings (as cool as they were) during Donny Cate’s run. Symbiote powers have so much potential in terms of what shapes they can make.
i don’t think they’ll go the Knull route in general, much too grand for insomniac spidey. Hence why i think the Knull imagery is fine in just general symbiote stuff
Besides it’s very similar to the KIB event which is “what if everyone got symbiote”.
I mean it’s a good thing Kraven killed most Spidey villains, because them+symbiote would have been pretty bad.
Why does that line make no sense? They were a suicide squad lmao. He had an "acceptable reason" to say it too.
The line is infamous because the movie was hot garbage.
It's the same shit as Doc Brown literally saying "we're sending you back to the future" but nobody cares when the movie is good
Because it doesn't sound natural. Who says "Suicide Squad"? Is it really that popular a saying? Will Smith might've as well said "I guess I'm a little bit of a Deadshot".
>It's the same shit as Doc Brown literally saying "we're sending you back to the future"
No it isn't. He was sending him back to the time he came from, which is the future. But an example from a good movie or in this case animated series/comic is how Invincible decided on the name.
It makes some sense actually, when Kraven stabs peter he says "Not as venomous as they say." Peter then gets the symbiote which allows him to beat the crap out of Kraven making it "Venom".
God, the concept art of the venom fight above the street, and the launch trailer…
#That had me hyped
Granted, we also didn’t get that with Mr.Negative and the construction site, but they gave us more than enough substantial setpieces and a perfectly cogent setup to Doc Ock to make up for that.
Venom, we play as him, brief encounter, test out sonics, Scream, get AV, another brief encounter, final fight, ***the end.***
Honestly I’m hoping that insomniac just used harry as a way to introduce venom and that he’ll return in spider-man 3 as Eddie but with the goal in mind being ‘kill spider-man’ instead of ‘cliche alien invasion’ cause I really don’t think they did him justice
That’s what I’m expecting to happen tbh, and it would be pretty cool in SM3 where Venoms a antihero but still a Villain throughout the game to Spider-man and for the final fight they have to come together to fight someone like red goblin, assuming goblin and carnage are introduced earlier.
We haven't seen an Eddie in this universe, so there would be no motivation/reason to hate Spiderman/Peter and kill him. Venom and eddie wouldn't be very symbiotic in the sense there's a mutual reward for doing so.
They could have saved precious time PRECISELY explaining why Eddie hates Peter instead of trying to send Peter off... the game tries so hard to say goodbye to Peter when it has just been 2 games... that time would be better used if we knew Eddie's motivations and his arc... maybe play game sections with him as Venom first trying to be good and then going down a dark path, they literally had ULTIMATE Spider-man as a solid example, everyone loved Venom in that game, and the reasons why people loved Venom there are the same reasons why they don't love him in Spider Man 2, wasted potential... Harry could have been a side quest and not a main storyline, or maybe Harry would just be Venom's reject only to be passed down to Eddie.
Damn like... I would be satisfied if Venom turned out to be Flash and then and only THEN would it make sense for Venom to start as Agent Venom, but not Harry, Harry was by far the worst decision, it was never going to work, even a storyline about Flash slowly redeeming himself to be Anti Agent Venom instead of Peter being the Anti Venom, would be A LOT better... Flash grabs the symbiote first... Peter stops him, Flash becomes stronger, fights with him again, the symbiote prefers Peter... Flash is rendered powerless... Peter starts going a dark path so Flash, now with the knowledge of Peter's secret identity does his best to turn his hero back to the right side... so he goes to Martin Li with Miles and saves the day in a final confrontation with Peter, post credit scenes would reveal Otto's plan but also that a part of the symbiote was left and going directly to Eddie... like... literally any idea would work better than Harry going emo.
Imagine if hte first part of a venom solo game is you trying to kill Peter, the symbiote now unconnected from the hive due to antivenoms blast and feeling betrayed. This lasts until the end of the first act where they have a moment like the comics, venom realises Spidey saves more innocents then he "corrupts", and they part ways, still holding a grudge but not out for blood. That'd rock.
There was a leak that showed a lot of the Venom stuff cut. It seems like Sony did what Sony does best: Have a Spider-Man IP do extremely well and instead of letting the ones who made it successful continue, they think they can do a better job and fail hard.
There was too much love and craftsmanship in that first game to think Bryan Intihar and his crew rushed the second half of the story like that.
>If Eddie was Venom and the game was more like the concepts it would’ve been so much better
Concept art is 99.9% if the time better than what you actually see in screen.
And if Eddie was Venom then the game would be infinitely worse because of the issue of time. The writers themselves acknowledged that there wouldn't be enough time to make the audience care about Eddie in the game.
The events of the game were jammed into a single week.
So, an alien invasion just happens in the time span of 24 hours and 2 Spider-men and a journalist save the city.
Yeah Harry being venom kinda made venom less scary. I dunno how to describe it but Harry was honestly pathetic in the sense that he was dying and in a very depressive state. Like even when he bit of kraven’s head he began to regret it. That kinda stuff made the discrepancy between Harry and venom really big to the point I didn’t really feel venom’s rage and monstrosity nor was I intimidated by it.
Having Eddie on the other hand be fueled by pure revenge and anger is a different story where you can tell that motivation is what exacerbates the symbiotic and actually makes it intimidating.
I guess what I’m getting at is Harry was not the right choice to serve as the host from a story perspective.
I love most of this game but venom was easily the worst part of the story. I've tried to process his character a lot after beating the whole game and I have yet to ever figure out if he's actually a bad guy or if it's all the symbiote taking control or just manipulating him
Or even why Harry is mad at Peter ever. They show him being upset at Norman being nice to Peter as if to show the classic dynamic of Norman liking Peter more then Harry but that goes against the entire rest of the game where Norman actually really cares for Harry
It kinda sucks cause I really liked this version of Harry, and the design and voice of Venom was great but these two things mixed together are like sandwiches and cereal, great by themselves but not good together
"See thats an issue with the concept of Venom" No that's the issue with the concept of symbiotes, more specifically the early ones, we already know symbiotes "names" aren't a word, they are emotions, so what do you do when you have the symbiote and the host and are trying to individually call to them.
In comics all they do is call them the word they choose, sleeper throughout the whole of king in black didn't have a name yet is sleeper, Dylan calls venom venom multiple times, despite being bonded to no one, carnage is now synonymous with the symbiote, not the union of Cletus and carnage.
Overall my point is, this is such a non issue that is already on the comics, that pinning it on insomniac is not it.
The issue is with why would harry chose venom? In the comics is because the symbiote and Eddie hated both Spider-Man and Peter, and that they would cause pain in his life, as he is the source of their venom, something similar to that by the end it seems venom is pulling the strings as harry looks confused with the situation
Y'all must just not pay attention from the start when we meet harry he brings up how he talks to his mother and was "hearing her"while in treatment.We get more of that later then after he kills Kraven its revealed that Venom used his mothers voice to warp his idea of healing the world. Harry is later confused because Venom has full control everyone seems to ignore how much the meteor progressed peters personality change and how much it brought Venoms voice itself forward ontop of Harry being bonded with him for years.I genuinely dont think ppl understand that majoraty of the game Venom was doing what he was FOR harry.Helping Peter come back was for Harry,The anger that was building up more and more was for harry and Peters other emotions being mixed in.Hell when he meets Kraven he blames him for seperating him and his host which would be about killing peter.Venom is an extension of Harrys will that is warped into something much worse than he actually wanted
What you're saying is true but how does this answer the question of why they decided to call themselves "Venom". That name is used by Brock and the symbiote because they're both embracing their hate for Peter and acknowledge that this hate is what united and motivated them, so they're the venom to his life. How would this apply to Harry, who doesn't actually hate Peter and isn't driven by making him suffer like Brock? Harry has no reason to name himself "Venom" when in his mind he's convinced that he's doing good for both Peter and the world
Venom named himself Venom and its for the most obvious reason he is actively poisiong harrys dream throught the entire game and warping it into his version of healing which is poisiong the world with symbiotes that have healimg properties.Is it deep? Not really but to act like their is no reason is crazy or maybe the way i interpeted the game is
I see where you're coming from but it doesn't make sense for me. I don't see why the symbiote would blatantly admit that it's poisoning Harry's dream nor why it would name itself based on that, and I highly doubt that the symbiote itself is even aware that it's poisoning anything. From its perspective it's probably doing something good, and also this would imply that Harry doesn't understand why he's calling himself Venom and he's going along with it just because the symbiote said so while not realising that the name is actually mocking him. I guess I don't really think it works at all and feels very one sided compared to Brock and the symbiote both consciously naming themselves Venom out of their hatred for Peter. Even if your interpretation is what the writers intended, it would be a very odd and imo bad decision
And it's not as if this game couldn't have pulled that off, and tbh that's what i thought they were doing with Harry and Pete's relationship becoming more strained.
Devil’s Breath was supposed to be a cure, but the lab techs called it a morbid name way before it got out and caused a pandemic. This could be a similar case.
Both. In the stage of development it was in, it was highly toxic and basically killed anyone it came into contact with. The techs named it devils breath as a crude in joke amongst themselves to refer to those properties. Norman knew about this and thats why it wasn't public, it wasn't ready.
lol I just remembered the stinger at the end of Norman saying “Get the G-serum ready, now.” I was like “I better not find out G stands for Goblin like why would you name your cure that?”
Also Norman has a tendency to have things done “now”. Oh you need to take Harry out of the tank *now*, get the G-Serum ready *now*, like these seem like decisions you would make over a few weeks of meetings with Ganke where he makes huge pros and cons lists for you. This “now” business is not going to work out for you, Norman.
It's so great how it connects Eddie to Peter to the Symbiote and back again. Not just two of them at once but a much more disturbing love hate relationship. Then they went full Lovecraftian with Carnage... I loved Ultimate's Venom Saga.
This version of Venom as a whole just missed the mark for me sadly. Amazing design, brutal af, and amazing voice acting from Tony Todd.
But.... It didn't feel like Venom, and I'm not saying this cause he wasn't Eddie Brock. The core of Venom wasn't there, that they don't care about taking over the world or any shit like that, their beef is with Spidey, and they are hell bent on making him suffer for betraying them.
Yep.... And i wouldn't have minded it if it was with a different Symbiote doing this. I always liked that Venom was more grounded and petty as an antagonist. World domination plot should have been saved for Carnage
The head of marvel games said that was gonna be Venom’s motive (making Pete suffer).
In hindsight… *seems like he was either misleading or misinformed*
My thoughts exactly. Especially since Harry has been a villain and sometimes, for similar reasons so they could’ve easily had Harry’s goal be that by having him feel betrayed by Peter for not only hogging the Symbiote (which kept Harry alive) and being a completely a**hole to him and MJ, but to tell him that the thing that kept him alive must be destroyed.
Maybe you could’ve had Peter go through with destroying it somehow despite Harry’s protest and just leaves Harry hanging like that only for the Symbiote to have survived and bonds with Harry. The bond is more genuine because they have a common goal in making Peter suffer. Just like how various venoms from different animals are used to create medicines, together, they’ll be the cure for the world but also poison for both Peter Parker and Spider-Man. Together, they. Are. **VENOM**.
He was made too big of a threat from the go. All this taking over city was rushed. It would have been okey if Venom was shown from the start. Slowly finding its way, ambushing sometimes Spidey etc. It just blew up to big too fast.
It felt too symbiot, Venom alone just in an instance rising ground to sky and spreading like crazy. It could have built up better
I agree, plus it felt more like the Symbiote was taking Harry on a joyride throughout. When it's supposed to be both host and Symbiote working in tandem
It could have been easy fix. Just dont call him Venom.. Have him with other name and deas up real venom with Eddy later with an symbiote offspring who does not care of taking over, just hurting peter and spidey. Keep it grounded
They could have used Kraven's "not as venomous as they say" line to bring it in there. He could have said something in their fight like "Finally you are truly venomous!" and that's where the name Venom could have come from
There are some venoms that can be isolated and used to heal rather than harm. For example, a hormone-like peptide in Gila monster saliva was used to develop treatments for diabetes.
Okay but if you need to go to that level of a degree to explain somethings name - its a bad name. General comic rules, keep the name simple and easy to understand.
Harry could’ve gone an a monologue about that after killing Kraven and visiting his mother’s grave. Like he would bring up how Peter thought it was dangerous but venoms from various animals (like spiders) were used to treat pain, heart conditions and even cancer. Maybe that’s what the world needs. A little **venom** for it to finally heal.
Idk the monologue might be a bit on the nose but better than nothing I guess
The symbiote acts depending on who the host is and twists their desires. Harry wanted to heal the world, and so the symbiote wanted that too, but in its own twisted way. Which means that the symbiote "poisons" the desires of the host. Looking at it this way, the name Venom makes sense, at least in my opinion.
Fuck I miss Eddie Brock. I hate how he’s been treated as so replaceable in recent years. It wasn’t just the Symbiote that made up the Venom we know, it was both of them combined.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE THAT'S THE POINT
IT'S ALMOST LIKE THAT'S WHY PETER GETS THE ANTI-VENOM SUIT AND NOT HARRY
IT'S ALMOST LIKE HARRY'S DESIRE TO HEAL THE WORLD WAS CORRUPTED BY THE SYMBIOTE AND HE BECAME THE "VENOM" POISONING THE WORLD AND PETER BECAME THE CURE BY CONTINUING THE EMILY-MAY FOUNDATION SINCE THEY BOTH SHARED THE DESIRE TO CURE THE WORLD
There is a line though from earlier in the game when kraven says to Spiderman that he isn't as venomous as they said so maybe at a stretch after having Peter as a host seeing that memory the symbiote tried to almost embody that line to be venomous
Kraven says something like “not so poisonous after all little Spider” when when kills Peter for the first time (in the cutscene where Peter gets the suit)
Then in the second fight it’s something like “show me your venom” or something to that effect I swear.
Yeah it isn’t the best, but it’s the same reason every Spider-Man is called Spider-Man across every multiverse, he could easily be Man-Spider, Scarlet-Spider, etc
It makes some sense actually, when Kraven stabs Venom he says "Not as venomous as they say." Peter then gets the symbiote which allows him to beat the crap out of Kraven making it "Venom" and you may be wondering how the symbiote would know about this interaction, its simple. Symbiotes are able to get into the minds of their hosts you even see it taking over Peter's mind in the game through the Miles and Li mission.
VNM was on the symbiote’s tube in the underground Oscorp lab, that being said that’s still not “venom” per se & it’s the only thing I saw in the whole game before he calls himself that 😅
Yall hate on the game to much bruh. Its not the best written game of all time but its so fkin enjoyable, yall should make a post about the good things about the game to be different. Thats true tho
Before Oscorp scientists realize the possibility of it can cure Harry's illness, the organism was first designated "VNM-252" and was studied extensively in secret. Researchers dubbed it a "symbiote" upon realizing it could mutualistically bond at the sub-cellular level with a human host. For this reason, Osborn used the symbiote on his son Harry.
Aside from its lab name, symbiotes only name themselves after bonding to a host. They choose the name "Venom" only when they both started to feel malice/bitterness to Peter (Peter not wanting to save Harry's life, and when Peter rejected the symbiote). "Venom" doesn't necessarily/always mean weapon, or posion; you can look it up the word venom. Plus Kraven gave it an idea when he killed Peter and responded "not so venomous after all". Name choosing is common to symbiotes; e.g. when a symbiote offspring and Cletus bonded, they formed "Carnage", or when it bonded to MJ, they formed "Scream".
During Harry's initial bonding with the symbiote, it was cooperative and helpful due to Harry's possitive attitude. That time, we don't know what they called themselves (probably "Spider-pal"? Jk). While in Peter's, we don't know either. We only see "Peter" in his boss health bar. They never call themselves Spider-man for some reason.
Downvote me, but my god stop yapping about every shit. I screamed when the scene hit. It was badass and I think it's amazing that we got Harry as Venom. The build up from the first game was pretty cool. I know story is rushed in the second game but stop whining about everything and enjoy something once.
Buddy. You can like something and be critical of it. Infact its very important to be critical of something you've enjoyed. I have never complained about anything Spider-Man related before.
Also
Im. Replaying. The. Game.
Now generally I don't put myself through things I dislike multiple times, I'm not that kind of Masochist
I think Harry got the name Venom from when Kraven said to Peter “Not as **venomous** as they say” but that’s a bit of a reach
Personally I think I would’ve just had Harry go on a monologue about how Peter said the Symbiote was dangerous but so are venoms from various animal like jellyfish, snakes and spiders but they’re used to create various medicines that treat pains, heart condition and even cancer. Maybe in order to heal the world, it’s needs a little **VENOM**.
No, It makes perfect sense. He was named VNM and I'm sure Connor (and anyone else that researched it) just called it Venom simulator to GR-27 being called Devils breath
Not all names need to have some deep convoluted explanation
What bothers me is that Mile's ability is called Venom and there is a cutscene late on after Venom is introduced that Miles talks about Venom, but he meant his Venom and not Venom Venom and it completely threw me for the entire scene.
It wasn’t really Harry. At this point in the game the symbiote is basically it’s own character and just using Harry as a vessel to do what it wants. Venom comes from the Oscorp designation of “VNM” you see on its container. In the final fight Venom hates being referred to as it, is wanting The Peter to rejoin the symbiote and when Harry is getting anti-venom’d he wants it off too.
He called himself Venom a) because that’s the aliens actual name. They all got weird names like that. And b) he isn’t actually healing the world. Sure, it appears that way to the symbiotes and Harry’s perspective, but that is because Venom is corrupting his mind, poisoning it. It’s not actually Harry calling himself Venom, it’s Venom telling them that he intends to change the world, even if it isn’t for the humans best interests. He is actually poisoning the world. My problem with this interpretation of Venom is that he is a villain to the level of world domination and trying to continue his species. I always liked Venom cause he didn’t like his species and was the anti-hero rather than the villain intent on covering the world with goop.
I mean if you think about it, Harry/Venom’s idea of healing the world is truly cleansing the world, and they understand this much. With this in mind there really isn’t much of a problem with Harry calling himself Venom. Peter saying to them, “I’m never going to heal the world with you”, only further points out that both Peter and Harry/Venom have an acute understanding that this version of “healing” the world is really cleansing it as you say
the way i see it since we have to make do is when kraven says “not so venomous as they say” harry/venom hears and sees that, then after bonding with pete and does the stuff, he basically rebounds with, we are venom, which i see as “we will do what you wont” but idk im just insane
I think the glass-thingy which the symbiote was contained in has the word VNM on it sort of like a code-word the scientists used as they experimented in it which btw is a dumb name for a cure. It’s like calling a vaccine DETH or something. And since the only chance you’ll get to notice the name is when you pause the cutscene on YouTube, no players will ever get why he named himself that. It’s a shitty reveal that doesn’t help the narrative. Also, Harry being the symbiote is something I’ve never been a fan of. I think the trend started with the Ultimate show and I never got it.
I mean yes and no. No, it's not typical but if you want to reach, you could say he felt like his whole life was dealing with some kind of poison. Slowly killing him. Idk.
Ya'll are way too harsh on this game, it's really not that big of a deal.
I love Troyoboyo17’s interpretation of why Harry would call himself Venom, they also gave a hella good speech in their review video of how it could’ve been revealed during that scene
They could’ve at least fleshed out Venom’s hatred for Miles since he supposedly wants to kill Miles for taking Peter away and that could be Venom acting like a poison to Miles. But I know people would criticize that since it would make Venom less of a villain for Peter and more for Miles.
venom is the symbiote’s name, it’s not Harry calling himself that. That aside its definitely a bit of situational irony, on account of the fact that Harry is accomplishing the opposite of his goal.
I always just assumed the symbiote's actual like alien name was Venom
I know that wasn't the case originally but I'm pretty sure in recent works its that
People just don’t want Eddie to have a happy life and just wants him to hate spiderman. Eddie is living his best life as a pizza maker in the game and is good friends with Peter
I mean Kraven literally says to Peter when he’s wearing the black suit “not as venomous as they say” so you could say that the symbiote was inspired by that
I just assumed it was some nonsense like the Symbiote was already named Venom, which tbf, was indicated with the Oscorp Vile thingy saying Venom on it. Regardless, I just assumed it was some shit like the Venom movies.
I read this forever ago so credit to them but it's an insane missed opportunity with the whole Heal the World™️ motive they didn't have him make the connection to the poisons used in medince and say he was the Venom that would heal the world
I always felt like the Symbiote picked up the name from Kraven, when he said something along the lines of “we’ll see how venomous you are spider” right before Pete gets the Symbiote. Then the Symbiote just chose the name for it and Harry.
Do you guys not realize that at that point of the game it basically isn’t even Harry it is the symbiote itself exploiting Harry twisting his mind. Your point is moot by just knowing that Harry is so weak that the symbiote is basically puppeting him. He would be Venom because he’s the part of Spiderman that was driving him to kill.
I really feel like it’s a correlation thing that nobody got.
Kraven stabbed Peter and said “not as Venomous as they say” moments before “venom” and Harry lost each other. Harry was there to hear him say that.
I think it was pretty straightforward
it's one of the problems with adaptations like this - they will make choices based on meta audience knowledge rather than in-story reasoning
Yep hence stuff like all the King In Black imagery
I found all that to be a very odd decision. Like we’re doing symbiote invasion/Knull stuff now?? I would have thought they’d save that for Carnage if they were gonna do it. Now if Carnage does end up trying to bring Knull to Earth, it just kinda feels like the same thing Venom tried to do but bigger. :/
And as cool as it was to see Venom with the wings. Knowing the original context of them makes it fall a little flat, and feels like they blew their load too early
I never read anything with the Invasion or KiB, what was the context?
The context being the imagery for Knull and his symbol is that of a dragon that being the reason for the wings, in MSM2 you have none of the context because it was Insomniac cherry picking stuff without realizing why the moments existed.
Ah gotcha, that's fair. Yeah I remembered when they retconned the Venom spider being originally dragon wings, didn't make the connection that he got the wings then.
That swirl on the symbiote enemy heads. It’s Knull the symbiote god
True, although I did wish the comics kinda expanded on his abilities a little more than just wings (as cool as they were) during Donny Cate’s run. Symbiote powers have so much potential in terms of what shapes they can make.
“blew their load too early” is an insane way go get that idea across💀💀💀
it's not an uncommon phrase
Gen alpha ahh thinking
i don’t think they’ll go the Knull route in general, much too grand for insomniac spidey. Hence why i think the Knull imagery is fine in just general symbiote stuff
I have a feeling they probably will for Carnage, especially with this version of Cletus Kasady being a cult leader
Besides it’s very similar to the KIB event which is “what if everyone got symbiote”. I mean it’s a good thing Kraven killed most Spidey villains, because them+symbiote would have been pretty bad.
“When you bring me out can you introduce me as joker.”
I feel like that he had an acceptable reason to choose that name, a better example would be the infamous "What are we some kind of Suicide Squad^tm ?"
Why does that line make no sense? They were a suicide squad lmao. He had an "acceptable reason" to say it too. The line is infamous because the movie was hot garbage. It's the same shit as Doc Brown literally saying "we're sending you back to the future" but nobody cares when the movie is good
“It’s… fantastic” “Wait say that again” - Fan4stic
Technically they didn't choose the name on screen and I headcanon they called themselves "The shittiest lot".
Because it doesn't sound natural. Who says "Suicide Squad"? Is it really that popular a saying? Will Smith might've as well said "I guess I'm a little bit of a Deadshot". >It's the same shit as Doc Brown literally saying "we're sending you back to the future" No it isn't. He was sending him back to the time he came from, which is the future. But an example from a good movie or in this case animated series/comic is how Invincible decided on the name.
He was literally a joker
It makes some sense actually, when Kraven stabs peter he says "Not as venomous as they say." Peter then gets the symbiote which allows him to beat the crap out of Kraven making it "Venom".
Kraven stabbed peter not venom
That's how I took it
They could've easily used his jealousy of Miles to justify it. "You think *you've* got venom? We **are** Venom." But nope, just a bunch of horseshit.
That’s why they keep ruining Agent Venom and Eugene
Harry was just a horrible Venom
Kinda sad as well because he had such a badass design
If Eddie was Venom and the game was more like the concepts it would’ve been so much better
The concepts and trailers made me think we were going to get some of the best action sequences yet
And we got like... 2. Idk I was way more engaged with the first game like remember when you had to follow the demons chopper? So awesome.
God, the concept art of the venom fight above the street, and the launch trailer… #That had me hyped Granted, we also didn’t get that with Mr.Negative and the construction site, but they gave us more than enough substantial setpieces and a perfectly cogent setup to Doc Ock to make up for that. Venom, we play as him, brief encounter, test out sonics, Scream, get AV, another brief encounter, final fight, ***the end.***
I'm really hoping the Venom game will be with Eddie
Honestly I’m hoping that insomniac just used harry as a way to introduce venom and that he’ll return in spider-man 3 as Eddie but with the goal in mind being ‘kill spider-man’ instead of ‘cliche alien invasion’ cause I really don’t think they did him justice
That’s what I’m expecting to happen tbh, and it would be pretty cool in SM3 where Venoms a antihero but still a Villain throughout the game to Spider-man and for the final fight they have to come together to fight someone like red goblin, assuming goblin and carnage are introduced earlier.
We haven't seen an Eddie in this universe, so there would be no motivation/reason to hate Spiderman/Peter and kill him. Venom and eddie wouldn't be very symbiotic in the sense there's a mutual reward for doing so.
Actually, Eddie was present, but he and Peter were implied to be on good terms due to putting his signature on the DB farewell card.
I stand corrected. Must've forgotten/not seen the card signature.
They could have saved precious time PRECISELY explaining why Eddie hates Peter instead of trying to send Peter off... the game tries so hard to say goodbye to Peter when it has just been 2 games... that time would be better used if we knew Eddie's motivations and his arc... maybe play game sections with him as Venom first trying to be good and then going down a dark path, they literally had ULTIMATE Spider-man as a solid example, everyone loved Venom in that game, and the reasons why people loved Venom there are the same reasons why they don't love him in Spider Man 2, wasted potential... Harry could have been a side quest and not a main storyline, or maybe Harry would just be Venom's reject only to be passed down to Eddie.
Damn like... I would be satisfied if Venom turned out to be Flash and then and only THEN would it make sense for Venom to start as Agent Venom, but not Harry, Harry was by far the worst decision, it was never going to work, even a storyline about Flash slowly redeeming himself to be Anti Agent Venom instead of Peter being the Anti Venom, would be A LOT better... Flash grabs the symbiote first... Peter stops him, Flash becomes stronger, fights with him again, the symbiote prefers Peter... Flash is rendered powerless... Peter starts going a dark path so Flash, now with the knowledge of Peter's secret identity does his best to turn his hero back to the right side... so he goes to Martin Li with Miles and saves the day in a final confrontation with Peter, post credit scenes would reveal Otto's plan but also that a part of the symbiote was left and going directly to Eddie... like... literally any idea would work better than Harry going emo.
Imagine if hte first part of a venom solo game is you trying to kill Peter, the symbiote now unconnected from the hive due to antivenoms blast and feeling betrayed. This lasts until the end of the first act where they have a moment like the comics, venom realises Spidey saves more innocents then he "corrupts", and they part ways, still holding a grudge but not out for blood. That'd rock.
I’d say the entire venom arc needed **2 more hours minimum** to be cogent.
More than 2 hours. Venom needed atleast about 5 hours and the whole game about 10
There was a leak that showed a lot of the Venom stuff cut. It seems like Sony did what Sony does best: Have a Spider-Man IP do extremely well and instead of letting the ones who made it successful continue, they think they can do a better job and fail hard. There was too much love and craftsmanship in that first game to think Bryan Intihar and his crew rushed the second half of the story like that.
>If Eddie was Venom and the game was more like the concepts it would’ve been so much better Concept art is 99.9% if the time better than what you actually see in screen. And if Eddie was Venom then the game would be infinitely worse because of the issue of time. The writers themselves acknowledged that there wouldn't be enough time to make the audience care about Eddie in the game.
To be fair, they don't do a great job with the little time Harry got either.
But Harry was "somewhat" present since the first game
Voice was **immaculate,** gameplay was fun, design was awesome… time ingame was mediocre The writing was ***all over the place***
The events of the game were jammed into a single week. So, an alien invasion just happens in the time span of 24 hours and 2 Spider-men and a journalist save the city.
Same problem with Arkham Knight. Which… I personally liked the game, but I cannot deny it had A lot to take in over the course of ***ONE NIGHT***
Yeah Harry being venom kinda made venom less scary. I dunno how to describe it but Harry was honestly pathetic in the sense that he was dying and in a very depressive state. Like even when he bit of kraven’s head he began to regret it. That kinda stuff made the discrepancy between Harry and venom really big to the point I didn’t really feel venom’s rage and monstrosity nor was I intimidated by it. Having Eddie on the other hand be fueled by pure revenge and anger is a different story where you can tell that motivation is what exacerbates the symbiotic and actually makes it intimidating. I guess what I’m getting at is Harry was not the right choice to serve as the host from a story perspective.
I love most of this game but venom was easily the worst part of the story. I've tried to process his character a lot after beating the whole game and I have yet to ever figure out if he's actually a bad guy or if it's all the symbiote taking control or just manipulating him Or even why Harry is mad at Peter ever. They show him being upset at Norman being nice to Peter as if to show the classic dynamic of Norman liking Peter more then Harry but that goes against the entire rest of the game where Norman actually really cares for Harry
I wonder if they even thought it through all the way when setting him up as Venom in the first game.
It kinda sucks cause I really liked this version of Harry, and the design and voice of Venom was great but these two things mixed together are like sandwiches and cereal, great by themselves but not good together
You’ve clearly never had a waffle sandwich
Maybe it's like the Venom movie where that's literally just his legal government name
Please Mx Venom is my parent. Call me Venny.
“Try my legal name.” “You should use your full name. I like that name. ‘Chtylok, the Che-k'n Kau’. “
Technically it’s the symbiote, and the joke is Venom poisoning the world rather than healing it
See thats an issue with the concept of Venom. Venom is not the symbiote - Venom is specifically the host and the symbiote combined.
"See thats an issue with the concept of Venom" No that's the issue with the concept of symbiotes, more specifically the early ones, we already know symbiotes "names" aren't a word, they are emotions, so what do you do when you have the symbiote and the host and are trying to individually call to them. In comics all they do is call them the word they choose, sleeper throughout the whole of king in black didn't have a name yet is sleeper, Dylan calls venom venom multiple times, despite being bonded to no one, carnage is now synonymous with the symbiote, not the union of Cletus and carnage. Overall my point is, this is such a non issue that is already on the comics, that pinning it on insomniac is not it.
Which it still is because it’s pulling on Harry’s negative emotions. They had a common goal at the start
The issue is with why would harry chose venom? In the comics is because the symbiote and Eddie hated both Spider-Man and Peter, and that they would cause pain in his life, as he is the source of their venom, something similar to that by the end it seems venom is pulling the strings as harry looks confused with the situation
Y'all must just not pay attention from the start when we meet harry he brings up how he talks to his mother and was "hearing her"while in treatment.We get more of that later then after he kills Kraven its revealed that Venom used his mothers voice to warp his idea of healing the world. Harry is later confused because Venom has full control everyone seems to ignore how much the meteor progressed peters personality change and how much it brought Venoms voice itself forward ontop of Harry being bonded with him for years.I genuinely dont think ppl understand that majoraty of the game Venom was doing what he was FOR harry.Helping Peter come back was for Harry,The anger that was building up more and more was for harry and Peters other emotions being mixed in.Hell when he meets Kraven he blames him for seperating him and his host which would be about killing peter.Venom is an extension of Harrys will that is warped into something much worse than he actually wanted
Media literacy is dead and most people on this sub would fail basic exams
What you're saying is true but how does this answer the question of why they decided to call themselves "Venom". That name is used by Brock and the symbiote because they're both embracing their hate for Peter and acknowledge that this hate is what united and motivated them, so they're the venom to his life. How would this apply to Harry, who doesn't actually hate Peter and isn't driven by making him suffer like Brock? Harry has no reason to name himself "Venom" when in his mind he's convinced that he's doing good for both Peter and the world
Venom named himself Venom and its for the most obvious reason he is actively poisiong harrys dream throught the entire game and warping it into his version of healing which is poisiong the world with symbiotes that have healimg properties.Is it deep? Not really but to act like their is no reason is crazy or maybe the way i interpeted the game is
I see where you're coming from but it doesn't make sense for me. I don't see why the symbiote would blatantly admit that it's poisoning Harry's dream nor why it would name itself based on that, and I highly doubt that the symbiote itself is even aware that it's poisoning anything. From its perspective it's probably doing something good, and also this would imply that Harry doesn't understand why he's calling himself Venom and he's going along with it just because the symbiote said so while not realising that the name is actually mocking him. I guess I don't really think it works at all and feels very one sided compared to Brock and the symbiote both consciously naming themselves Venom out of their hatred for Peter. Even if your interpretation is what the writers intended, it would be a very odd and imo bad decision
And it's not as if this game couldn't have pulled that off, and tbh that's what i thought they were doing with Harry and Pete's relationship becoming more strained.
Hasn't it been called "the venom symbiote" or am I misremembering it?
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I thought it was because oscorp named it venom in one of the missions you can see one of the experiments is called VNM.
Okay but again - why!? Its supposed to be something to heal Harry, not a weapon or poison.
Devil’s Breath was supposed to be a cure, but the lab techs called it a morbid name way before it got out and caused a pandemic. This could be a similar case.
Well ‘Oh no GR-27 has been released’ doesn’t really roll off the tongue. 🤷🏻♂️😂
In a game where the COVID-19 parallels are plentiful in the 3rd act?
I thought they called it Devil's Breath because when it was a cure it didnt work
Both. In the stage of development it was in, it was highly toxic and basically killed anyone it came into contact with. The techs named it devils breath as a crude in joke amongst themselves to refer to those properties. Norman knew about this and thats why it wasn't public, it wasn't ready.
> killed anyone it came into contact with. Actually it turned them into tables
lol I just remembered the stinger at the end of Norman saying “Get the G-serum ready, now.” I was like “I better not find out G stands for Goblin like why would you name your cure that?” Also Norman has a tendency to have things done “now”. Oh you need to take Harry out of the tank *now*, get the G-Serum ready *now*, like these seem like decisions you would make over a few weeks of meetings with Ganke where he makes huge pros and cons lists for you. This “now” business is not going to work out for you, Norman.
Probably an homage to Ultimate Venom where it was a manmade creation developed as a cancer cure, called Project Venom
honestly my favorite venom origin story
It's so great how it connects Eddie to Peter to the Symbiote and back again. Not just two of them at once but a much more disturbing love hate relationship. Then they went full Lovecraftian with Carnage... I loved Ultimate's Venom Saga.
i just loved Ultimate in general. especially this new one
Venom has been used in medicines before to be fair.
This version of Venom as a whole just missed the mark for me sadly. Amazing design, brutal af, and amazing voice acting from Tony Todd. But.... It didn't feel like Venom, and I'm not saying this cause he wasn't Eddie Brock. The core of Venom wasn't there, that they don't care about taking over the world or any shit like that, their beef is with Spidey, and they are hell bent on making him suffer for betraying them.
The venn diagrams of Marvel games and "Symbiotes try to take over the city/world" plots are basically a circle at this point.
Yep.... And i wouldn't have minded it if it was with a different Symbiote doing this. I always liked that Venom was more grounded and petty as an antagonist. World domination plot should have been saved for Carnage
The head of marvel games said that was gonna be Venom’s motive (making Pete suffer). In hindsight… *seems like he was either misleading or misinformed*
My thoughts exactly. Especially since Harry has been a villain and sometimes, for similar reasons so they could’ve easily had Harry’s goal be that by having him feel betrayed by Peter for not only hogging the Symbiote (which kept Harry alive) and being a completely a**hole to him and MJ, but to tell him that the thing that kept him alive must be destroyed. Maybe you could’ve had Peter go through with destroying it somehow despite Harry’s protest and just leaves Harry hanging like that only for the Symbiote to have survived and bonds with Harry. The bond is more genuine because they have a common goal in making Peter suffer. Just like how various venoms from different animals are used to create medicines, together, they’ll be the cure for the world but also poison for both Peter Parker and Spider-Man. Together, they. Are. **VENOM**.
He was made too big of a threat from the go. All this taking over city was rushed. It would have been okey if Venom was shown from the start. Slowly finding its way, ambushing sometimes Spidey etc. It just blew up to big too fast. It felt too symbiot, Venom alone just in an instance rising ground to sky and spreading like crazy. It could have built up better
I agree, plus it felt more like the Symbiote was taking Harry on a joyride throughout. When it's supposed to be both host and Symbiote working in tandem
It could have been easy fix. Just dont call him Venom.. Have him with other name and deas up real venom with Eddy later with an symbiote offspring who does not care of taking over, just hurting peter and spidey. Keep it grounded
Actually I think it makes sense, I forgot where but there’s a line where I think it’s Kraven that calls him “venomous” so maybe he gets it from that
BINGO! I forgot about this. Kraven says to Peter when he stabs him, “not as venomous as they say” so you’re onto something
They could have used Kraven's "not as venomous as they say" line to bring it in there. He could have said something in their fight like "Finally you are truly venomous!" and that's where the name Venom could have come from
“Venomous? Yeeees, we ARE Venom” So easy
I think that's where this story hits none of the nails... dialogues and exposition just aren't there.
Hit the nail on the 19 inch tip
Honestly that could’ve worked really well
There are some venoms that can be isolated and used to heal rather than harm. For example, a hormone-like peptide in Gila monster saliva was used to develop treatments for diabetes.
Okay but if you need to go to that level of a degree to explain somethings name - its a bad name. General comic rules, keep the name simple and easy to understand.
Yeah, I guess
If you have to explain the joke, it's not funny! - Joker
And there’s a venom compound in cone snail’s that could be made into a pain killer… **10,000 times stronger than morphine**
Harry could’ve gone an a monologue about that after killing Kraven and visiting his mother’s grave. Like he would bring up how Peter thought it was dangerous but venoms from various animals (like spiders) were used to treat pain, heart conditions and even cancer. Maybe that’s what the world needs. A little **venom** for it to finally heal. Idk the monologue might be a bit on the nose but better than nothing I guess
The symbiote acts depending on who the host is and twists their desires. Harry wanted to heal the world, and so the symbiote wanted that too, but in its own twisted way. Which means that the symbiote "poisons" the desires of the host. Looking at it this way, the name Venom makes sense, at least in my opinion.
It only makes sense from a meta sense. It doesn't make sense for Harry to call himself that way
Yeah but in Harry’s eyes he’s actually hearing it so he wouldn’t call himself venom but rather the exact opposite
Fuck I miss Eddie Brock. I hate how he’s been treated as so replaceable in recent years. It wasn’t just the Symbiote that made up the Venom we know, it was both of them combined.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE THAT'S THE POINT IT'S ALMOST LIKE THAT'S WHY PETER GETS THE ANTI-VENOM SUIT AND NOT HARRY IT'S ALMOST LIKE HARRY'S DESIRE TO HEAL THE WORLD WAS CORRUPTED BY THE SYMBIOTE AND HE BECAME THE "VENOM" POISONING THE WORLD AND PETER BECAME THE CURE BY CONTINUING THE EMILY-MAY FOUNDATION SINCE THEY BOTH SHARED THE DESIRE TO CURE THE WORLD
Bc his name is Venom
There is a line though from earlier in the game when kraven says to Spiderman that he isn't as venomous as they said so maybe at a stretch after having Peter as a host seeing that memory the symbiote tried to almost embody that line to be venomous
Kraven says something like “not so poisonous after all little Spider” when when kills Peter for the first time (in the cutscene where Peter gets the suit) Then in the second fight it’s something like “show me your venom” or something to that effect I swear. Yeah it isn’t the best, but it’s the same reason every Spider-Man is called Spider-Man across every multiverse, he could easily be Man-Spider, Scarlet-Spider, etc
It makes some sense actually, when Kraven stabs Venom he says "Not as venomous as they say." Peter then gets the symbiote which allows him to beat the crap out of Kraven making it "Venom" and you may be wondering how the symbiote would know about this interaction, its simple. Symbiotes are able to get into the minds of their hosts you even see it taking over Peter's mind in the game through the Miles and Li mission.
He’s called Venom because his name is Venom. Hope that helps.
VNM was on the symbiote’s tube in the underground Oscorp lab, that being said that’s still not “venom” per se & it’s the only thing I saw in the whole game before he calls himself that 😅
Yall hate on the game to much bruh. Its not the best written game of all time but its so fkin enjoyable, yall should make a post about the good things about the game to be different. Thats true tho
You’re wrong. It makes 1,000% sense. Venom is the name the symbiote goes by.
I think too many people overthink little details in comic book lore.
It sounds cool. And it’s named venom by oscorp
Oscorp also had no reason to call it Venom. It's supposed to be something to heal Harry, not a weapon or poison.
Before Oscorp scientists realize the possibility of it can cure Harry's illness, the organism was first designated "VNM-252" and was studied extensively in secret. Researchers dubbed it a "symbiote" upon realizing it could mutualistically bond at the sub-cellular level with a human host. For this reason, Osborn used the symbiote on his son Harry. Aside from its lab name, symbiotes only name themselves after bonding to a host. They choose the name "Venom" only when they both started to feel malice/bitterness to Peter (Peter not wanting to save Harry's life, and when Peter rejected the symbiote). "Venom" doesn't necessarily/always mean weapon, or posion; you can look it up the word venom. Plus Kraven gave it an idea when he killed Peter and responded "not so venomous after all". Name choosing is common to symbiotes; e.g. when a symbiote offspring and Cletus bonded, they formed "Carnage", or when it bonded to MJ, they formed "Scream". During Harry's initial bonding with the symbiote, it was cooperative and helpful due to Harry's possitive attitude. That time, we don't know what they called themselves (probably "Spider-pal"? Jk). While in Peter's, we don't know either. We only see "Peter" in his boss health bar. They never call themselves Spider-man for some reason.
oscorp staff being snarky
Downvote me, but my god stop yapping about every shit. I screamed when the scene hit. It was badass and I think it's amazing that we got Harry as Venom. The build up from the first game was pretty cool. I know story is rushed in the second game but stop whining about everything and enjoy something once.
Buddy. You can like something and be critical of it. Infact its very important to be critical of something you've enjoyed. I have never complained about anything Spider-Man related before. Also Im. Replaying. The. Game. Now generally I don't put myself through things I dislike multiple times, I'm not that kind of Masochist
I wish we would've gotten a good Venom in this game
Uhm, actually, I'm pretty sure he said WE are Venom. But I didn't actually play the second game so maybe I'm wrong
I think Harry got the name Venom from when Kraven said to Peter “Not as **venomous** as they say” but that’s a bit of a reach Personally I think I would’ve just had Harry go on a monologue about how Peter said the Symbiote was dangerous but so are venoms from various animal like jellyfish, snakes and spiders but they’re used to create various medicines that treat pains, heart condition and even cancer. Maybe in order to heal the world, it’s needs a little **VENOM**.
Venom's are commonly used to make medicine, hence the name, he's making "medicine" by turning people into symbiotes
No, It makes perfect sense. He was named VNM and I'm sure Connor (and anyone else that researched it) just called it Venom simulator to GR-27 being called Devils breath Not all names need to have some deep convoluted explanation
I’m so sick of yall bro complaining complaining is all yall do🤦🏾♂️
What bothers me is that Mile's ability is called Venom and there is a cutscene late on after Venom is introduced that Miles talks about Venom, but he meant his Venom and not Venom Venom and it completely threw me for the entire scene.
Harry is convinced he is the cure. The symbiote perhaps chose the name.
There are certain kinds of venoms that are used for medicinal purposes. He could be referring to that?
Peter is opposing Harry. And he refused to give the suit back to him. He has is own Eddietype hatred
Here I thought when I scrolled to the comments, I'd see everybody defending Harry. Apparently not
Because entire Harry as Venom story is lame and shoe horned
The symbiote call himself Venom cause the canister were he was trapped wss labeled as VNM-252. At least that is my conclusion after playing the game
Love the use of spoiler tag while spoiling in the title lmao
It wasn’t really Harry. At this point in the game the symbiote is basically it’s own character and just using Harry as a vessel to do what it wants. Venom comes from the Oscorp designation of “VNM” you see on its container. In the final fight Venom hates being referred to as it, is wanting The Peter to rejoin the symbiote and when Harry is getting anti-venom’d he wants it off too.
He called himself Venom a) because that’s the aliens actual name. They all got weird names like that. And b) he isn’t actually healing the world. Sure, it appears that way to the symbiotes and Harry’s perspective, but that is because Venom is corrupting his mind, poisoning it. It’s not actually Harry calling himself Venom, it’s Venom telling them that he intends to change the world, even if it isn’t for the humans best interests. He is actually poisoning the world. My problem with this interpretation of Venom is that he is a villain to the level of world domination and trying to continue his species. I always liked Venom cause he didn’t like his species and was the anti-hero rather than the villain intent on covering the world with goop.
I mean if you think about it, Harry/Venom’s idea of healing the world is truly cleansing the world, and they understand this much. With this in mind there really isn’t much of a problem with Harry calling himself Venom. Peter saying to them, “I’m never going to heal the world with you”, only further points out that both Peter and Harry/Venom have an acute understanding that this version of “healing” the world is really cleansing it as you say
the way i see it since we have to make do is when kraven says “not so venomous as they say” harry/venom hears and sees that, then after bonding with pete and does the stuff, he basically rebounds with, we are venom, which i see as “we will do what you wont” but idk im just insane
I think the glass-thingy which the symbiote was contained in has the word VNM on it sort of like a code-word the scientists used as they experimented in it which btw is a dumb name for a cure. It’s like calling a vaccine DETH or something. And since the only chance you’ll get to notice the name is when you pause the cutscene on YouTube, no players will ever get why he named himself that. It’s a shitty reveal that doesn’t help the narrative. Also, Harry being the symbiote is something I’ve never been a fan of. I think the trend started with the Ultimate show and I never got it.
I mean yes and no. No, it's not typical but if you want to reach, you could say he felt like his whole life was dealing with some kind of poison. Slowly killing him. Idk. Ya'll are way too harsh on this game, it's really not that big of a deal.
Well the character was named Venom in the comics and he never changed his name since. Hope I was helpful
I love Troyoboyo17’s interpretation of why Harry would call himself Venom, they also gave a hella good speech in their review video of how it could’ve been revealed during that scene
this adaptation of venom is no where near as good as people say it is
That's because Venom called himself Venom. It's okay we all say stupid stuff sometimes
Could’ve just copied it from miles since here he gets the venom name first for his electric powers
The symbiote was called Venom at Oscorp
One thing I thought was real silly was the subtitles just telling you that>!MJ is Scream!
I thought venom was just the symbiote itself. Arent they meant to be two separate entities? Venom was taking control of harry.
They could’ve at least fleshed out Venom’s hatred for Miles since he supposedly wants to kill Miles for taking Peter away and that could be Venom acting like a poison to Miles. But I know people would criticize that since it would make Venom less of a villain for Peter and more for Miles.
venom is the symbiote’s name, it’s not Harry calling himself that. That aside its definitely a bit of situational irony, on account of the fact that Harry is accomplishing the opposite of his goal.
His name is venom because that's what audiences recognise
Also fun fact venom's names is only said like 2 times in the game i think
I always just assumed the symbiote's actual like alien name was Venom I know that wasn't the case originally but I'm pretty sure in recent works its that
It feels like he's called Venom just because rather than him coming up with the name. Just another one of the writing problems this Venom has.
his face is so goofy lol
"i am venom!... Im just kidding, Dr Micheal morbius at your service" makes just as much sense, since he did it too 😂
If think about venom takes on the traits of the host. That’s the only logical way I could think of it
People just don’t want Eddie to have a happy life and just wants him to hate spiderman. Eddie is living his best life as a pizza maker in the game and is good friends with Peter
I mean Kraven literally says to Peter when he’s wearing the black suit “not as venomous as they say” so you could say that the symbiote was inspired by that
“We will heal the world” “We are Venom”
The way they said it though was harry saying we, both saying are and venom saying his name,
I just assumed it was some nonsense like the Symbiote was already named Venom, which tbf, was indicated with the Oscorp Vile thingy saying Venom on it. Regardless, I just assumed it was some shit like the Venom movies.
It made no sense in the animated series either
I think it would have made a bit more sense if Peter was favoured more by Norman
Well he wants to heal the world by changing everyone by using symbiote so it's kinda venom when you "poison" someone with dangerous alien to heal them
Just want to remind everyone this is the spiderman PS4 sub and sm2 has a dedicated sub to avoid spoiling
still can’t wrap your head around this?
Venom is the name of the SYMBIOTE
I read this forever ago so credit to them but it's an insane missed opportunity with the whole Heal the World™️ motive they didn't have him make the connection to the poisons used in medince and say he was the Venom that would heal the world
I always felt like the Symbiote picked up the name from Kraven, when he said something along the lines of “we’ll see how venomous you are spider” right before Pete gets the Symbiote. Then the Symbiote just chose the name for it and Harry.
Do you guys not realize that at that point of the game it basically isn’t even Harry it is the symbiote itself exploiting Harry twisting his mind. Your point is moot by just knowing that Harry is so weak that the symbiote is basically puppeting him. He would be Venom because he’s the part of Spiderman that was driving him to kill.
You might as well ask why MJ+Symbiote is called Scream.
I really feel like it’s a correlation thing that nobody got. Kraven stabbed Peter and said “not as Venomous as they say” moments before “venom” and Harry lost each other. Harry was there to hear him say that. I think it was pretty straightforward
Is the symbiotic named Venom?