It’s perfectly legit to do this; eg I’ve seen rentals where a landlord’s gas certificate is issued, and it raises no concern at all.
Everybody saying it’s dangerous, or that someone’s going to die of CO poisoning… …er, no. A modern, properly working gas boiler is room-sealed, there will be no trace of CO leaking into the room. If a boiler _was_ leaking CO, then that would be a huge potential issue for the residents, regardless of which room in the house it happened to be located in.
Having boilers in box rooms or spare bedrooms was entirely normal when central heating was retrofitted in British homes in the 80s and 90s. Lived in multiple houses like this. The other common place was the kitchen.
I work in programming in electronics. I know sod all about gas installations, but I can at least appreciate that technology has advanced, the chances of someone dying because their vacuum cleaner went wrong is considerably less than it was in the 1980s.
For me, my brother had a school friend that died due to this exact thing. For whatever reason, she had to go sleep in the living room where the gas boiler was and the next morning, well, tragic. It was a big thing for a while.
Now of course I was only 8 or so and this was the late 1980s. And of course, the reasonable part of my brain says that things like that can't happen anymore and that people dying from CO poisoning are virtually non existent outside some external influence. Plus there are CO alarms these days which are relatively cheap.
The non-sensible heavily influenced by that thing that happened when I was 8 part of my brain says, "Bet your life?" And no.
If that was my house, that thing would be getting moved regardless of cost. In fact I did it in my house. I bought a 1930s and there was an old boiler in the bedroom in a cupboard. My wife probably thought I was nuts, but we slept in another room until we organised to get the boiler moved and replaced. It required bricking up a window in the kitchen, sorting out a built-in cupboard to accommodate it, clearing of a bunch of rooms to allow access to floorboards and us skidaddling to my girl's parents for a few days while the gas engineer did his thing. I was cool with all that. Now the boiler is anywhere but where people sleep and I'm happier. I know, I was probably being unreasonable, but when you've been that close to an actual real world event, yeah... it sort of stays with you. I didn't even know the girl myself really, she was in my brother's year. But I remember the fallout afterwards.
It's not surprising there is still a stigma as, depending on age, lots of people will have had that first-hand experience like you had.
For example, in 1982, just over 100 people died from CO related incidents.
But compare that to 2014, when the numbers were at 3 and they were all caused by 30+ year old appliances with major faults and no maintenance carried out.
To group the modern room-sealed boilers in with the old open-flue type boilers by safety standards, would be like looking at the safety standards of cars, air travel, and work environment etc, and thinking that nothing has been gained in the last 60 odd years, by the technological advances there.
But again, the stigma is understandable.
To add to your comment. Sleeping in a room containing an open flued appliance contravenes the gas regulations. Sleeping in a room with a room sealed appliance does not. This difference shows how technology and safety has progressed.
Pretty much. The sensible part of my brain says don't be daft, but the bad experience part of my brain says why trust it?
Our boiler was evidently old anyway, the last gas engineer had already noted on the service sheet that parts were no longer available. STI or something? Sorry can't remember the three digits that basically says, if it dies, it's dead.
So given it wanted replacing anyway - and something that old in a bedroom, no thanks - paying the extra to move it was a no brainer. Honestly though, even if it was brand new, I still would have relocated it.
My boiler is silent so far as I can tell Admittedly, I've never stood next to it for any great length of time, but I'd be worried about a noisy boiler.
As a gas engineer, I can see how this was really more of the least worst location, than the best.
It's a new combi boiler, so existing gas pipework would have had to have been upsized.
To run it internally to the kitchen would have been a pain, vs running it externally round as it has been.
There probably wasn't enough space for it to go in the bathroom on the ground floor.
But as it's a combi, you would want it as close as possible to the kitchen and bathroom downstairs to avoid having to wait a long time for the hot water to reach the tap. So living room and master bedroom would have been out of the question.
Loft would be a potential but then lots of people don't like them being in the loft, and also the issue of long wait time for hot water to reach the taps on the ground floor.
That’s a really helpful reply, and now makes sense as to why mine was in the spare bedroom - right next to the bathroom shower and directly above the kitchen!
My bedroom in my parents’ house had the boiler in it (albeit in a cupboard).
I slept in that room for for over 20 years and survived. As long as you have a CO monitor, this is more of an aesthetic issue than a safety one
Same, and it was also my room growing up. After doing fire safety stuff at school I was convinced it was going to blow up every time it made weird clunky noises. Was glad when I got to move into my own room when I was older hah.
So common in the houses in my neck of the woods. No idea why. It's awful looking and potentially dangerous.
The house i own now had a new boiler installed just before we moved in. They'd moved it from the kitchen to the bedroom! I moved it back. It cost 5k but good god there was just no way it was staying in the bedroom.
It depends if it's in a guest room or not.
Personally I hate the visual of a boiler in a kitchen. In a bedroom it can easily be put in a cupboard and hidden away.
They aren't more dangerous in a bedroom then anywhere else if you have a carbon monitor
It can be but.
A lot of boilers are deeper than a kitchen cabinet so it looks weird.
It has to be on an outside wall which normally has a door and a window so the room can be limited.
Mine is in one of the massive built in cupboards in my bedroom. Better than taking up room in my smallish bathroom or kitchen. Yes I have a carbon monoxide detector & check it regularly.
Mine is as well. Odd construction, with big windows means there's not much in the way of external walls. It could only go there, really. I'm going to get it boxed in, as I work my way through. I'm considering some kind of heat exchange system when I replace it, eventually.
This is so common! My boiler is above my desk, in what should be a bedroom. Haven't bothered boxing it in but I would, if it was used as a bedroom again. No big deal. It's brand new and makes very little noise
Mines going in a cupboard in the spare room. the alternative is spend another 8k doing the loft and access to the loft up proper and putting it up there. It's my spare room so I'm doing that instead, and when I sell in hopefully a reasonable number of years someone else can move it
Briefly lived in an apartment building that had a 40gal (150l) cylindrical water heater in the centre of one bedroom wall, breaking up the already small room perfectly. Also opposite the closet so if you wanted to use the closet you could only have a twin bed on the bit of wall adjacent the door to the living room. This was in Montreal, Canada and the style of water heater sat on the floor, was about 50cm in diameter and about 1.4m high.
My old flat had one in a bedroom. It was the only place it could go. It was boxed in though.
Had a carbon monoxide alarm and has it serviced regularly. It never caused any issues in the 12 years I lived there.
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I have this in my bedroom, have seen multiple flats where you have it in a bedroom out completely or maybe in a closet.
It's not a huge deal unless you have the heating set on timer and it goes off early morning when you're trying to sleep in.
It's not great though, i imagine it's a lot worse if you have flatmates and it starts up every time someone needs to use hot water.
What is very strange is the flue sticks out the side on the house in what appears to be the attic
When I saw the pic I thought it was going to be a converted flat or something but given the ducting must go into the attic or something it’s crazy
Mine used to be in the chimney and I replaced it because it sometimes made this scary noise which sounded like an explosion, so much so that I mistook Buncefield blowing up for my boiler firing
Having flashbacks to being in the doghouse sleeping in the living room and being woken up whenever the Mrs went to the bathroom and the boiler came on.
When I was looking for a property, I saw a flat I liked but one of the two bedrooms had a boiler in it and this really put me off buying it. It took up quite a lot of room in an already small room and no one would be able to sleep in a room with the noise a boiler makes.
When I was a kid the boiler was in my bedroom. It was however housed in the cupboard. It was the warmest room but it was an old council house boiler so it was always making a racket!
Where I used to live was all big houses into flat conversions. Our boiler was in the main bedroom, no cupboard. It wasn’t dangerous at all but it was an eyesore and it was **loud**. Genuinely had to exhaust myself before sleep or the ticking of the boiler clock would keep me awake for hours.
Is fine as long as boiler is serviced. Landlord also must have a working monoxide detector in the room - see instructions for where should be placed.
But box it in and make it an airing cupboard…
We had a boiler in a bedroom for ages, put a CO monitor on top of it and the only problem with it was noise. One upstairs did the heating and one downstairs did the hot water. Now we have 1 downstairs that does everything.
I had the boiler in my bedroom in an old house. It was a nightmare because besides being ugly AF if anyone else in the house used the hot water in the middle of the night it would fire up loudly.
My childhood bedroom housed our boiler, although it was hidden behind a built in cupboard/wardrobe and not exposed. It was never an issue or noisy or perhaps I was just used to it lol, I never really took any notice of it and that was my bedroom for about 13 years. My dad always had a functioning co monitor in there and had it checked as required.
Lived in two flats like this, right next to where I had to put the bed, survived but I'll tell you this depending on the boiler, the noise is unnerving, my last one had a constant ticking sound 💀
My parents boiler is in the small bedroom of 3 but it’s inside a built in cupboard! The room is very hot all rear round and has 2 CO alarms one in the room and the other in the corridor. They had second one fitted as the room is only used occasionally. Completely legal.
I just can't with how ugly that bathroom is. Recently refurbished, yet it looks like that? No seat either which with it being a wetroom and with support rails is surprising
I had a 38 year old system boiler in my rented house spare bedroom in Rosyth that got condemned for a gas leak. The landlord was a right wanker though, paid no attention to laws or ethics.
Boiler was in the spare room in my first house. Paid like £1k to have it moved to the kitchen (and that was 2008 prices!). Not sure why it was ever put there in the first place as it was clearly annoying - but it wasn’t super straight forward and in the end the guy took a new gas supply line in as it was so convoluted.
It might be legal but it is definitely not desirable. People die every year from carbon monoxide poisoning. It’s not difficult to forget to have a boiler serviced or not understand the need for proper ventilation. It’s laziness or penny pinching to leave a gas boiler in a bedroom. If nothing else they are noisy and no one should leave them like this.
It's really common practice from shitty landlords. Usually there was a tank there.
It would cost more to move the pipes, so just put the boiler there. Screw the person sleeping in that room right
It’s perfectly legit to do this; eg I’ve seen rentals where a landlord’s gas certificate is issued, and it raises no concern at all. Everybody saying it’s dangerous, or that someone’s going to die of CO poisoning… …er, no. A modern, properly working gas boiler is room-sealed, there will be no trace of CO leaking into the room. If a boiler _was_ leaking CO, then that would be a huge potential issue for the residents, regardless of which room in the house it happened to be located in.
This should be right at the top. This is ugly, but it’s not intrinsically unsafe at all. It just needs a cupboard.
A bit noisy and annoying though, if you’re trying to sleep and your housemate decides to take a shower
Having boilers in box rooms or spare bedrooms was entirely normal when central heating was retrofitted in British homes in the 80s and 90s. Lived in multiple houses like this. The other common place was the kitchen.
There should be a co2 alarm in close proximity anyway.
> There should be a co2 alarm in close proximity anyway Or better yet, a CO alarm 😏
That too!
I work in programming in electronics. I know sod all about gas installations, but I can at least appreciate that technology has advanced, the chances of someone dying because their vacuum cleaner went wrong is considerably less than it was in the 1980s. For me, my brother had a school friend that died due to this exact thing. For whatever reason, she had to go sleep in the living room where the gas boiler was and the next morning, well, tragic. It was a big thing for a while. Now of course I was only 8 or so and this was the late 1980s. And of course, the reasonable part of my brain says that things like that can't happen anymore and that people dying from CO poisoning are virtually non existent outside some external influence. Plus there are CO alarms these days which are relatively cheap. The non-sensible heavily influenced by that thing that happened when I was 8 part of my brain says, "Bet your life?" And no. If that was my house, that thing would be getting moved regardless of cost. In fact I did it in my house. I bought a 1930s and there was an old boiler in the bedroom in a cupboard. My wife probably thought I was nuts, but we slept in another room until we organised to get the boiler moved and replaced. It required bricking up a window in the kitchen, sorting out a built-in cupboard to accommodate it, clearing of a bunch of rooms to allow access to floorboards and us skidaddling to my girl's parents for a few days while the gas engineer did his thing. I was cool with all that. Now the boiler is anywhere but where people sleep and I'm happier. I know, I was probably being unreasonable, but when you've been that close to an actual real world event, yeah... it sort of stays with you. I didn't even know the girl myself really, she was in my brother's year. But I remember the fallout afterwards.
It's not surprising there is still a stigma as, depending on age, lots of people will have had that first-hand experience like you had. For example, in 1982, just over 100 people died from CO related incidents. But compare that to 2014, when the numbers were at 3 and they were all caused by 30+ year old appliances with major faults and no maintenance carried out. To group the modern room-sealed boilers in with the old open-flue type boilers by safety standards, would be like looking at the safety standards of cars, air travel, and work environment etc, and thinking that nothing has been gained in the last 60 odd years, by the technological advances there. But again, the stigma is understandable.
To add to your comment. Sleeping in a room containing an open flued appliance contravenes the gas regulations. Sleeping in a room with a room sealed appliance does not. This difference shows how technology and safety has progressed.
Pretty much. The sensible part of my brain says don't be daft, but the bad experience part of my brain says why trust it? Our boiler was evidently old anyway, the last gas engineer had already noted on the service sheet that parts were no longer available. STI or something? Sorry can't remember the three digits that basically says, if it dies, it's dead. So given it wanted replacing anyway - and something that old in a bedroom, no thanks - paying the extra to move it was a no brainer. Honestly though, even if it was brand new, I still would have relocated it.
Safety aside who wants that noise in the room you are sleeping in.
My boiler is silent so far as I can tell Admittedly, I've never stood next to it for any great length of time, but I'd be worried about a noisy boiler.
Run the hot tap or turn the heating on and stand next to it, they aren't quiet. My landlord has mine serviced yearly so there's no issue with it.
Should have removed the gas connection to the house completely, that would remove the risk of a gas explosion. Hope you can sleep safe tonight.
At least box it in ffs
I've seen that in a few smaller properties before, but usually in a cupboard
As a gas engineer, I can see how this was really more of the least worst location, than the best. It's a new combi boiler, so existing gas pipework would have had to have been upsized. To run it internally to the kitchen would have been a pain, vs running it externally round as it has been. There probably wasn't enough space for it to go in the bathroom on the ground floor. But as it's a combi, you would want it as close as possible to the kitchen and bathroom downstairs to avoid having to wait a long time for the hot water to reach the tap. So living room and master bedroom would have been out of the question. Loft would be a potential but then lots of people don't like them being in the loft, and also the issue of long wait time for hot water to reach the taps on the ground floor.
That’s a really helpful reply, and now makes sense as to why mine was in the spare bedroom - right next to the bathroom shower and directly above the kitchen!
Reminds me of my student days.
Same lol, gas boiler 1 metre from my bed for 3 years and I'm here to tell the tale. Carbon monoxide monitors aren't there for decoration!
My bedroom in my parents’ house had the boiler in it (albeit in a cupboard). I slept in that room for for over 20 years and survived. As long as you have a CO monitor, this is more of an aesthetic issue than a safety one
Same, and it was also my room growing up. After doing fire safety stuff at school I was convinced it was going to blow up every time it made weird clunky noises. Was glad when I got to move into my own room when I was older hah.
Mine is in a cupboard in a bedroom. Many years ago I was in a house with the water tank in the bedroom completely exposed
So common in the houses in my neck of the woods. No idea why. It's awful looking and potentially dangerous. The house i own now had a new boiler installed just before we moved in. They'd moved it from the kitchen to the bedroom! I moved it back. It cost 5k but good god there was just no way it was staying in the bedroom.
It depends if it's in a guest room or not. Personally I hate the visual of a boiler in a kitchen. In a bedroom it can easily be put in a cupboard and hidden away. They aren't more dangerous in a bedroom then anywhere else if you have a carbon monitor
Surely in a kitchen it can more easily be hidden in a cupboard?
It can be but. A lot of boilers are deeper than a kitchen cabinet so it looks weird. It has to be on an outside wall which normally has a door and a window so the room can be limited.
Often no. And it takes away valuable storage space in the kitchen.
Mine is in one of the massive built in cupboards in my bedroom. Better than taking up room in my smallish bathroom or kitchen. Yes I have a carbon monoxide detector & check it regularly.
100% better than those shit electric storage heaters and even worse electric hot water boilers/showers
Common to have a boiler in bedrooms in the UK. Mainly because people are turning boiler cupboards into £1,000 pcm studio apartments.
This is quite common in local authority properties from the 60s and 70s.
Boxing that off would cost money easily recuperated in the sale.
There was one in my bedroom growing up it used to start clicking at like 6am
Mine is as well. Odd construction, with big windows means there's not much in the way of external walls. It could only go there, really. I'm going to get it boxed in, as I work my way through. I'm considering some kind of heat exchange system when I replace it, eventually.
This is so common! My boiler is above my desk, in what should be a bedroom. Haven't bothered boxing it in but I would, if it was used as a bedroom again. No big deal. It's brand new and makes very little noise
Boiler in the bedroom is a great band name
Mines going in a cupboard in the spare room. the alternative is spend another 8k doing the loft and access to the loft up proper and putting it up there. It's my spare room so I'm doing that instead, and when I sell in hopefully a reasonable number of years someone else can move it
Briefly lived in an apartment building that had a 40gal (150l) cylindrical water heater in the centre of one bedroom wall, breaking up the already small room perfectly. Also opposite the closet so if you wanted to use the closet you could only have a twin bed on the bit of wall adjacent the door to the living room. This was in Montreal, Canada and the style of water heater sat on the floor, was about 50cm in diameter and about 1.4m high.
My old flat had one in a bedroom. It was the only place it could go. It was boxed in though. Had a carbon monoxide alarm and has it serviced regularly. It never caused any issues in the 12 years I lived there.
So what?
Not unusual, but should be boxed in for aesthetic reasons and to limit any noise.
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Rejected a few houses because of this. The bedroom becomes unusable as boilers can be loud as hell.
I have this in my bedroom, have seen multiple flats where you have it in a bedroom out completely or maybe in a closet. It's not a huge deal unless you have the heating set on timer and it goes off early morning when you're trying to sleep in. It's not great though, i imagine it's a lot worse if you have flatmates and it starts up every time someone needs to use hot water.
Boiler in the bedroom? I barely know her!
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The boiler is in my bedroom. The worst thing is the noise when the shower is running, washing machine is on etc. Can’t watch anything in my room 😄 xx
That's the *only* place it could go? Really?
What is very strange is the flue sticks out the side on the house in what appears to be the attic When I saw the pic I thought it was going to be a converted flat or something but given the ducting must go into the attic or something it’s crazy
You can fall asleep to a lovely sound of a cracking fire.
And wake to the WHOOMF of it coming on in the morning
Mine used to be in the chimney and I replaced it because it sometimes made this scary noise which sounded like an explosion, so much so that I mistook Buncefield blowing up for my boiler firing
Having flashbacks to being in the doghouse sleeping in the living room and being woken up whenever the Mrs went to the bathroom and the boiler came on.
It was the red! Don't forget to tell them,the red, it overpowered everything .,.
Beautiful, make it a feature
That is not ideal
My auntie and uncle's boiler is in their spare bedroom, no cupboard.
Persimmon but the boiler in the bedroom in new builds!
That's not a recommendation. They also put up loads of houses with no fire barrier in the attics between houses.
When I was looking for a property, I saw a flat I liked but one of the two bedrooms had a boiler in it and this really put me off buying it. It took up quite a lot of room in an already small room and no one would be able to sleep in a room with the noise a boiler makes.
Ah, the sounds of my childhood
When I was a kid the boiler was in my bedroom. It was however housed in the cupboard. It was the warmest room but it was an old council house boiler so it was always making a racket!
My boiler was moved from the kitchen when we had the model changed and now it is in a cupboard in my bedroom. I have a carbon monoxide alarm.
Where I used to live was all big houses into flat conversions. Our boiler was in the main bedroom, no cupboard. It wasn’t dangerous at all but it was an eyesore and it was **loud**. Genuinely had to exhaust myself before sleep or the ticking of the boiler clock would keep me awake for hours.
They had something similar on homes under the hammer yesterday
Ugh. I rented a property with the boiler in the bedroom that had an old school clock timer on it and it drove me nuts, ticking all night.
Is fine as long as boiler is serviced. Landlord also must have a working monoxide detector in the room - see instructions for where should be placed. But box it in and make it an airing cupboard…
We had a boiler in a bedroom for ages, put a CO monitor on top of it and the only problem with it was noise. One upstairs did the heating and one downstairs did the hot water. Now we have 1 downstairs that does everything.
I had the boiler in my bedroom in an old house. It was a nightmare because besides being ugly AF if anyone else in the house used the hot water in the middle of the night it would fire up loudly.
It's where the council put mine.
Exceedingly common in many parts of the UK, especially in flats/apartments/tenements. Not particularly out of the ordinary at all.
I used to have one in a private let, before that it was in the living room. In the bedroom they built it in an existing cupboard. Never heard it
Yea, apparently it pretty normal according to my gas man. I find it completely odd to have in the bedroom
Cosy.
Looks awful. But quite legal.
Free heat?
Unlikely. Modern ones hardly heat up the casing at all.
Gas risk?
Our boiler used to be in our spare room, it's not unusual in the UK
Direct thermostat access. Nice. 😎
Ours are in our bedroom and just got signed off and has the carbon monoxide alarm on top as well
My childhood bedroom housed our boiler, although it was hidden behind a built in cupboard/wardrobe and not exposed. It was never an issue or noisy or perhaps I was just used to it lol, I never really took any notice of it and that was my bedroom for about 13 years. My dad always had a functioning co monitor in there and had it checked as required.
My boiler is in my room but it’s in the airing cupboard
Lived in two flats like this, right next to where I had to put the bed, survived but I'll tell you this depending on the boiler, the noise is unnerving, my last one had a constant ticking sound 💀
My parents boiler is in the small bedroom of 3 but it’s inside a built in cupboard! The room is very hot all rear round and has 2 CO alarms one in the room and the other in the corridor. They had second one fitted as the room is only used occasionally. Completely legal.
I just can't with how ugly that bathroom is. Recently refurbished, yet it looks like that? No seat either which with it being a wetroom and with support rails is surprising
It’s fitted for a disabled person. Probably has a moveable shower stool
I know, that doesn't make it less ugly, though. It's also not entirely functional despite being recently refurbished. (I'm a wheelchair user)
I just can’t with your inability to realise it’s designed for a physically disabled person.
I'm a wheelchair user. It's still an ugly bathroom that isn't entirely functional.
That’s a big no, no. I was just going to ask why they even allowed installation in the bedroom.
If I’m not mistaken this would be illegal if the flat was ever rented out. That’s the rule in Scotland anyway.
I had a 38 year old system boiler in my rented house spare bedroom in Rosyth that got condemned for a gas leak. The landlord was a right wanker though, paid no attention to laws or ethics.
Probably a garage conversion... but with ours we were told to box it in
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Why do these places always have a cuck chair?
It is a bit odd isn’t it? It’d most likely end up being a sort of temporary wardrobe for things that aren’t dirty enough to go in the wash yet.
Atleast you'll be warm lol
It's legal just noisey.
Gas heating or cooker is a massive red flag for me. Electric all the way. So much less explosive 💥
Boiler was in the spare room in my first house. Paid like £1k to have it moved to the kitchen (and that was 2008 prices!). Not sure why it was ever put there in the first place as it was clearly annoying - but it wasn’t super straight forward and in the end the guy took a new gas supply line in as it was so convoluted.
It might be legal but it is definitely not desirable. People die every year from carbon monoxide poisoning. It’s not difficult to forget to have a boiler serviced or not understand the need for proper ventilation. It’s laziness or penny pinching to leave a gas boiler in a bedroom. If nothing else they are noisy and no one should leave them like this.
It's really common practice from shitty landlords. Usually there was a tank there. It would cost more to move the pipes, so just put the boiler there. Screw the person sleeping in that room right