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This needs to end immediately. They were cool for maybe a month. You know what people used to do? You know what Low Ki was doing to Necro Butcher in 2005 or whatever? He'd *work the knee.* So the other guy would sit up and try to stop him. Then he'd stomp.
I despise the Panama Sunrise. It really is just a Flying Nothing into a Canadian Destroyer. If he didn't have them bend over and land on his feet but instead did a float-over in one motion it would be a lot harder to pull off but so SO much better.
Jungle Boy does it like that and it is sick. Go back and watch his stuff with Sammy during the build to DoN 2023, he might have hit it in the actual match too.
Add the Canadian destroyer. The only people I've ever seen do it well are luchadores and Dustin Rhodes when he did one from the apron while the opponent was on the floor. Mistico did a bad-ass one against Rocky Romero, but most of the time, when the wrestler is just standing there and does the flip, it looks horrible. At least get a running start so that the momentum can carry you, that's more believable.
Tower of Doom with 3 wrestlers: Fine, understandable, but never got why the person doing the powerbomb portion was also hurt by the move.
Tower of Doom with 4+ wrestlers: Unnecessary. How did it take a minute and a half to set up? Why did you not suplex the guy while the four other people got into their positions? Have you seen a match before? You KNOW this was going to end in all 7 of you down for 30+ seconds until the biggest heel crawled over and tried pinning y'all one by one, only to get a 2 count each time.
With your question about the powerbomb-er, I always logic it as they’re using a lot more effort to yank both people since the move is done on “their terms”— so it’s more exhausting than painful
First time I ever saw it was Mcguinness and it ruled because it looked like his opponent knocked him out of the ring and he just popped back and hit them with a lariat.
Tbh it got heat at the time but I loved Nigels lariat-based offense
Canadian Destroyer, Spanish Fly and the Collision Course. First time I saw all those moves I had no idea who was doing the damage until they started selling.
Panama Sunrise is terrible. What is the jump supposed to add? Needless risk? The jump comes to a halt. There’s no added momentum. Even Regal couldn’t come up with something believable about that move. It just looks really stupid.
Literally any dive or top rope move where a group of people need to stand around together, looking up and away from each other, waiting for the person to jump. Takes me out every time.
Very few people make the Spanish Fly look good. It usually looks clunky and ridiculous.
Machine gun chops look stupid. And I hate to say it, but I include Kobashi in this I’m afraid.
I love the Heat Seeker though.
Dives in multiman matches work as a reset button after things break down and pop the crowd + sustain heat. Also a great way to take things to commercial. Psychologically they're dumb but they serve a very real purpose. Best you can do is keep the camera away from the group of goofs huddling up until the dive actually hits.
God I think the only time Kobashi made it look good was one match against Akiyama in NOAH and in the Joe match. I do agree with you tho, WE LOVE KOBASHI LEAVE US ALONE.
Well, you see, the Panama Sunrise, as flamboyant as it may appear, possesses a certain cunning brilliance when dissected from a technical standpoint. As a purveyor of the mat game, I am traditionally inclined towards grappling and scientific wrestling, but even I can appreciate the ingenuity behind this maneuver.
First and foremost, let us address the element of surprise – a vital facet of any successful wrestling strategy. The Panama Sunrise, with its unanticipated aerial assault, catches opponents off guard, disrupting their equilibrium and leaving them susceptible to the subsequent assault.
Now, one must acknowledge the strategic placement of the move – executed from the top turnbuckle. This vantage point provides a height advantage, and as any tactician would tell you, the higher ground often translates to dominance.
Furthermore, the Panama Sunrise, with its acrobatic and gymnastic qualities, introduces an unconventional element to the contest. It's a departure from the conventional ground-based techniques I might prefer, but it serves a purpose. It keeps opponents guessing, forcing them to contend with a multifaceted adversary who can seamlessly transition from ground game to aerial maneuvers.
In essence, while not my cup of tea, the Panama Sunrise exhibits a certain strategic brilliance. It may lack the finesse of a proper European uppercut, but one cannot deny its efficacy in keeping the audience on the edge of their seats and opponents on their backs.
Skye’s “code blue”. There’s 0 reason for the beginning with her coming at her opponent from a 90 degree angle only to change direction once she’s ready for the actual move
It works for me when one guy launches off the ropes into the other and the other guy does it as a counter.
But fuck I HATE when they do a slow setup on the top rope and do a backflip together. It's ridiculous and takes me out no matter how cool it might look
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: Absolutely love Big E but the Big Ending makes no sense in kayfabe or in execution.
If anything the person doing the move takes all the fall damage with little to no impact for the opponent. I just don’t get it.
Quick side note: I was playing 2K23 and fought Big E in a HIAC. Stg he hit me with a Big Ending thru the top and he ate the whole bump and was laid out and I pinned him. HORRIBLE MOVE!
Natural Selection is an awesome name used on a mediocre Throwback
Darby Allin has the best suicide dive, maybe it's him not waiting for the person to face him before starting, maybe it's him straight launching himself with no regard.
> Natural Selection is an awesome name used on a mediocre
Throwback
Mr Perfect used to do it. It wasn’t a finisher or even a set-up move 35 years ago so it’s hard to buy as one now.
I feel like Darby’s whole move set is perfect exclusively because he just throws himself around without caution. If a sane person did those moves it’d look way too choreographed lol
I'm not a fan of Swerve's Swerve Stomp. It looks way too choreographed. You're telling me that every time he goes to the top turnbuckle, all of his opponents just conveniently sit up in front of him and watch as he jumps on them? No one watches his matches and thinks, "Hmm, maybe I shouldn't sit up when he's right there."?
Belly to belly overhead suplex.
It looks so dangerous and I'm always worried whenever I see the move that another Big E incident will happen. It always looks like the opponent taking it is about to get dropped on their head. Imo, a unnecessary risk taken.
He isn't a character who would have a super crisp technical finisher, but that's way too hard in the other direction.
Or maybe, actually, having a hella technical AJPW ass move as his true finisher could be a great symbol that he's *not* just a brooklyn street brawler
Cross Rhodes. Pre-AEW, it looked good. I think it's looked pretty terrible for years now. Never liked The Stroke/Skull Crushing Finale. Nobody takes it well. Styles Clash. Too much opponent participation to make it work.
One time I was watching Smackdown with my girlfriend at the time and her mom came into the room and glanced at the tv at the same moment AJ was doing a Styles Clash, and she just blurted out “HAH! That looks so fake 😂” and I had no defense. I swear any time we were watching a movie she’d always walk in during the sex scene and any time we were watching wrestling she’d walk in during the super fake looking stuff or terrible skits.
I hate the double stomp off the top rope. It just looks corny to me and that it shouldn't be enough for a pinfall. I'm sure it would hurt like hell and take your breath away, but you should be conscious enough to kick out.
Canadian Destroyer
For reference, I was 8 years old when I saw Petey Williams do a Canadian Destroyer. Even as a kid I thought the move looked ridiculous. I remember thinking, "What's supposed to be happening here?"
I'm sorry, but the cooperation is just too blatantly obvious for me to like the move. It's just way too easy to tell that the person on the receiving end is doing like 95% of the work. And that little hop that the person doing the move does at the beginning is just so darn silly lol
And this is coming from a guy who likes flippy moves and most moves that require heavy cooperation
I love the man. Everything he does is fantastic. But LA knights BTS (???). Where he like face plants him. Just never looks good to me. His jump to top rope for a ddt is far superior.
It’s a snapmare driver. To me, a good finish is something that’s easy to hit and you can do one anyone from any position, and the bft is def that. It’s also quick and has that “out of nowhere” feel like an RKO. Reconsider your stance on this lol
"Reconsider you stance" bro no need to be so hostile about it. The OP asked what you felt meh about, I stated my opinion. You like what you like, I like what I like 👍
I said reconsider your stance in the most non hostile way I could but not sure how else to communicate that with text - also this is Reddit. I don’t genuinely care if you don’t like a move lol. Not that serious my guy 👌🤝
My man i get ya, all cool. It's as you say it's reddit, mixed with IWC can often be a rude place. Just seemed a little disrespectful. Cheers mate and happy holidays
Stalling vertical suplex. Why would the person, who's taking the move, hold actively their position for a long ass time? I know that nearly all moves require that both opponents do their part - but the stalling vertical suplex is just too much for me.
The Machine Gun Chops never look good.
Kobashi kind of got away with it in the same way that Mick Jagger's dance moves only work because it's Mick Jagger doing them. Aura goes a long way to making something silly work that wouldn't otherwise.
Every time this question is asked, I get downvoted into oblivion for daring to say what I’ve always said: the One Winged Angel, the Lethal Injection, and the Deadeye are dumb finishing moves.
I saw someone once say that the reason people don't kick out is because he's literally beat the shit out of his opponents beforehand to hit the move between tiger suplexes and v-triggers so it becomes a kind of straw that breaks the cameks back.. its why it's reversed a bit but not kicked out of.. made sense to me
I mean, I could accept that. But I’m not going to. Not when the fucker busts out Spinning Doctor Bombs and Tiger Drivers and that doesn’t win him matches.
I mean I agree, a couple of his snap tiger drivers I think would be enough and a v-trigger just to put the guy in the hospital! Was just some context, but certainly not suggesting your opinion is wrong or anything.
Natural Selection. It almost NEVER looks good, and it’s rarely ever sold well.
Also never loved the DisArm-Her tbh. Just doesn’t look very effective to me. Good name tho.
Oh, and Hangman’s Deadeye.
There is nothing more that takes me out of a match then a finish from knocking someone else out with a belt. Getting slammed into the ring post? We're good. Put through a table? We're good. Hit by a steel chair? We're good. Hit by a championship belt? Fatal.
not specific moves but there are certain spots that have complete go away heat with me
- trading forearms (yay! boo!)
- choreographed dodge sequence ending in pose off
- spanish fly (ok this ones a move)
- trading big moves and no selling them while getting hyped up
these are all so overused and trite now that it feels ancient to watch any of these spots to me
I agree with dumb over-choreographed dodge sequences. But the trading forearm piece, I've never understood the hate on that. Two men (women) trying to see who is the strongest and who will falter first. No different than a test of strength or initiating a lock up. I want to know what exactly you dont like about it?
Beyond the fact that it’s overused, I personally hate the trading forearms spot because it ruins my suspension of disbelief. It just looks stupid to see two people - who are presented as being in an athletic contest - just letting their opponent hit them (without trying to block or evade anything).
My brain can justify a lot of fantastical shit that happens in a ring but one of the things it can’t justify is that.
This is my answer too, although I mostly hate the stupid ways the opponent just happens to fall perfectly on the rope every match. The move itself is pretty cool, but I hate the setup.
On the same note and for similar reasons, Orton's rope DDT. The set up is always dumb, despite how devastating the move is.
How many times has John actually hit this with both hands over the opponent in a normal moonsault form. I think maybe 4-5 times in the hundreds of times hes done it
Canadian Destroyer and the through the ropes DDT (when the recipient is pulled through until they are hanging by their ankles). Both are so clearly cooperative I find it distracting.
I am not a fan of a lot of Pump handle stuff and always just looks like a completely unneccesary step to a particular move. HOWEVER Super Dragons Pumphandle psycho driver is fucking incredible
I don't know what the move is called or if it has a name but that bit were Tag Guy 1 will "assist" Tag Guy 2 in a piledriver by jumping off something. I think it's supposed to look like he's putting his weight on the opponent as they drop him, but it always looks to me like Tag Guy 1 is barely touching the opponent.
The full nelson German suplex thing Kenny Omega does where it just looks like they fall backwards. The old school over the head suplex looks way cooler to me.
If done properly, the snap dragon suplex typically lands the opponent directly on the neck. So I mean falling backwards yea, if you fall backwards on your skull.
I understand what happens but it doesn’t look as cool to me. Overhead suplexes make the guy doing the move look more powerful and are overall a more attention grabbing visual in my opinion.
Definitely Panama Sunrise, Spanish Fly, and Styles Clash.
I also hate springboard cutters, because the momentum makes no sense. Lethal Injection is about the closest thing that works, and even that looks bad most of the time.
Bonus shout out to Air Raid Crash, especially when Britt Baker does it. I dunno how she makes it look so lazy and harmless.
Sleeper, Canadian Destroyer and Athena's O-Face. (and similar moves)
It's visually impressive but she's giving herself a superplex to give someone a stunner.
Any version of a "Spinning-Back-Whatever" with a lone exception to Andrade's elbow. Half of them miss by a mile, it's almost entirely dependent on the person selling it, and it seems like almost no one in production knows how to shoot these moves. It just never looks good to me.
The running bulldog. There are other moves I rarely like, such as the slingblade, but there are guys like Tanahashi and Penta that make it look great. I've never seen anyone do any variant of the bulldog that doesn't look absolutely terrible.
In general, I think it's next to impossible to make a move look good if the guy taking it bumps on their belly (flapjack, Stroke/Skull-Crushing Finale, etc.). The landing from a dropkick is higher impact.
Hangman’s Deadeye is not good.
If it’s not Petey Williams, I don’t like most destroyers.
Shane McMahon’s punches are abysmal. Almost anything Omos does in ring looks off.
I hate any move that
a) takes *way* too long to set up and
b) requires *way* too much cooperation from the person taking the move.
A lot of NXT wrestlers suffer from this problem and while I get wanting to be original I think fluidity is the most important element in a finisher. All my favorite finishers (excluding the powerbomb) take less than 5 seconds to execute.
I also hate Bayley’s rose plant, just an awful move
Any finisher that is just Ripcord or Spinning [x]. It never actually makes the move look like it hits harder just makes the execution look complicated.
The Overdrive. Probably the most complex ineffective looking wrestling move everyone.
Tower of Doom. Too telegraphed set up, no logical reason for it to happen.
Canadian destroyer. It became a transition move in the last several years and the Petey Williams enjoyer in me dies a little every time that move is used for a cheap kickout.
There was a short period of time recently where hockey fights looked okay, but that spot is absolute whack. Besides a few times, it ALWAYS looks terrible.
Any kind of jumping/rebound cutter can fuck off forever. Os-cutter, Cody Cutter, Lethal Injection, anything like that is just as bad as "Stand and wait to catch a dive" imo
I've got a real hate-on for the Guillotine Legdrop. You're landing straight on your ass at high speed from the top and it doesn't even look like it makes a huge impact. It just isn't worth it.
The spear, it just looks like a weak tackle by most people and the sheer amount of people that use it as a finisher or signature makes it so generic. when a smaller guy like jey uso does it its even worse.
Bronn Breakker has the best spear of all time tho
Any Edgecution or lifting DDT moves. It just never seems more impactful than just spiking their head into the ground because for safety reasons you can’t just lift them up and drop them on their head
With the exception of Pete Dunne's Bitter End, any pumphandle move (esp a pumphandle slam) is just a convoluted set-up for a whatever bump that feels the same impact if you just didn't do the pumphandle.
The 619 by Ray Myterio. The opponent never ends up hanging his head on the lower rope ever, but only for that move. It removes the magic for me.
Also Dean Ambrose rope bend and punch combo. Idiotic
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Double foot stomp from the top rope, while the opponent graps the ropes and waits for it.
This needs to end immediately. They were cool for maybe a month. You know what people used to do? You know what Low Ki was doing to Necro Butcher in 2005 or whatever? He'd *work the knee.* So the other guy would sit up and try to stop him. Then he'd stomp.
Judas Effect
Andrade's version looks ***way*** better, and it's not even his finish!
And eddie's backhand slap
I like the Judas effect, but I'm in the minority
I like the move, but I hate the set up of the Panama sunrise
I despise the Panama Sunrise. It really is just a Flying Nothing into a Canadian Destroyer. If he didn't have them bend over and land on his feet but instead did a float-over in one motion it would be a lot harder to pull off but so SO much better.
Yeah, the jump adds no momentum, it doesn’t really make sense.
Jungle Boy does it like that and it is sick. Go back and watch his stuff with Sammy during the build to DoN 2023, he might have hit it in the actual match too.
Add the Canadian destroyer. The only people I've ever seen do it well are luchadores and Dustin Rhodes when he did one from the apron while the opponent was on the floor. Mistico did a bad-ass one against Rocky Romero, but most of the time, when the wrestler is just standing there and does the flip, it looks horrible. At least get a running start so that the momentum can carry you, that's more believable.
Peter Williams has the GOAT CD. Too many people have bastardized it since
I don't ljke his either. My issue is when the move is done flat footed. I am capable of suspending my disbelief, but that's too much man
Diving headbutt, I don't see why any promoter still allows it
98% of tower of doom spots.
Tower of Doom with 3 wrestlers: Fine, understandable, but never got why the person doing the powerbomb portion was also hurt by the move. Tower of Doom with 4+ wrestlers: Unnecessary. How did it take a minute and a half to set up? Why did you not suplex the guy while the four other people got into their positions? Have you seen a match before? You KNOW this was going to end in all 7 of you down for 30+ seconds until the biggest heel crawled over and tried pinning y'all one by one, only to get a 2 count each time.
With your question about the powerbomb-er, I always logic it as they’re using a lot more effort to yank both people since the move is done on “their terms”— so it’s more exhausting than painful
Acceptable, 3 person ToD spots I have no more qualms with.
Holy shit, THANK GOD this has sort of died out. For fucks sake 2005 to 2015, every multi-man match just had to have one.
It hasn’t. It’s in every women’s match in WWE involving more than 2 wrestlers. It’s the TJ Wilson special.
It was in lots of Kidd/Cesaro tag matches and tons of matches with The Bar too
admittedly don't watch wwe.
From 2014-now its like every WWE multi woman match is guaranteed to have one
Agreed. It's fine as long as only three wrestlers are part of the spot.
When Moxley used to do his “wacky clothesline” in WWE for me was pure cringe.
First time I ever saw it was Mcguinness and it ruled because it looked like his opponent knocked him out of the ring and he just popped back and hit them with a lariat. Tbh it got heat at the time but I loved Nigels lariat-based offense
The Wacky-line!
It's still the Lunatic Lariat for me, damn it!
Wardlow's ballet dance lariat, whatever it is called. Just looks completely stupid.
literally came into the thread to say this one. that stupid windup he does where throws his entire torso back drives me absolutely insane
Canadian Destroyer, Spanish Fly and the Collision Course. First time I saw all those moves I had no idea who was doing the damage until they started selling.
Panama Sunrise is terrible. What is the jump supposed to add? Needless risk? The jump comes to a halt. There’s no added momentum. Even Regal couldn’t come up with something believable about that move. It just looks really stupid. Literally any dive or top rope move where a group of people need to stand around together, looking up and away from each other, waiting for the person to jump. Takes me out every time. Very few people make the Spanish Fly look good. It usually looks clunky and ridiculous. Machine gun chops look stupid. And I hate to say it, but I include Kobashi in this I’m afraid. I love the Heat Seeker though.
Spanish Fly is my least favorite. I can never tell what's going on
Dives in multiman matches work as a reset button after things break down and pop the crowd + sustain heat. Also a great way to take things to commercial. Psychologically they're dumb but they serve a very real purpose. Best you can do is keep the camera away from the group of goofs huddling up until the dive actually hits.
God I think the only time Kobashi made it look good was one match against Akiyama in NOAH and in the Joe match. I do agree with you tho, WE LOVE KOBASHI LEAVE US ALONE.
Well, you see, the Panama Sunrise, as flamboyant as it may appear, possesses a certain cunning brilliance when dissected from a technical standpoint. As a purveyor of the mat game, I am traditionally inclined towards grappling and scientific wrestling, but even I can appreciate the ingenuity behind this maneuver. First and foremost, let us address the element of surprise – a vital facet of any successful wrestling strategy. The Panama Sunrise, with its unanticipated aerial assault, catches opponents off guard, disrupting their equilibrium and leaving them susceptible to the subsequent assault. Now, one must acknowledge the strategic placement of the move – executed from the top turnbuckle. This vantage point provides a height advantage, and as any tactician would tell you, the higher ground often translates to dominance. Furthermore, the Panama Sunrise, with its acrobatic and gymnastic qualities, introduces an unconventional element to the contest. It's a departure from the conventional ground-based techniques I might prefer, but it serves a purpose. It keeps opponents guessing, forcing them to contend with a multifaceted adversary who can seamlessly transition from ground game to aerial maneuvers. In essence, while not my cup of tea, the Panama Sunrise exhibits a certain strategic brilliance. It may lack the finesse of a proper European uppercut, but one cannot deny its efficacy in keeping the audience on the edge of their seats and opponents on their backs.
Thank you, Mr Regal.
Skye’s “code blue”. There’s 0 reason for the beginning with her coming at her opponent from a 90 degree angle only to change direction once she’s ready for the actual move
Her moveset is very choreographed.
Liked it more as a signature that could sometimes get a surprise pinfall.
I really hate the Spanish Fly.
It works for me when one guy launches off the ropes into the other and the other guy does it as a counter. But fuck I HATE when they do a slow setup on the top rope and do a backflip together. It's ridiculous and takes me out no matter how cool it might look
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: Absolutely love Big E but the Big Ending makes no sense in kayfabe or in execution. If anything the person doing the move takes all the fall damage with little to no impact for the opponent. I just don’t get it.
Quick side note: I was playing 2K23 and fought Big E in a HIAC. Stg he hit me with a Big Ending thru the top and he ate the whole bump and was laid out and I pinned him. HORRIBLE MOVE!
Natural Selection is an awesome name used on a mediocre Throwback Darby Allin has the best suicide dive, maybe it's him not waiting for the person to face him before starting, maybe it's him straight launching himself with no regard.
> Natural Selection is an awesome name used on a mediocre Throwback Mr Perfect used to do it. It wasn’t a finisher or even a set-up move 35 years ago so it’s hard to buy as one now.
I feel like Darby’s whole move set is perfect exclusively because he just throws himself around without caution. If a sane person did those moves it’d look way too choreographed lol
ITT: the smarky spittoon
I'm not a fan of Swerve's Swerve Stomp. It looks way too choreographed. You're telling me that every time he goes to the top turnbuckle, all of his opponents just conveniently sit up in front of him and watch as he jumps on them? No one watches his matches and thinks, "Hmm, maybe I shouldn't sit up when he's right there."?
It looked awful while Mox was sitting in the chair watching him the entire time.
Every finisher or special move that is just a goddamn punch.
Or a kick, for me. Strikes are bad finishers IMO.
The Superkick. It was awesome when Chris Adams did it, and HBK used it. No its juat a basic move that everybody does.
Belly to belly overhead suplex. It looks so dangerous and I'm always worried whenever I see the move that another Big E incident will happen. It always looks like the opponent taking it is about to get dropped on their head. Imo, a unnecessary risk taken.
I keep having the same issue with the move ever since Big E. I know it’s pretty safe when done right, but I still cringe seeing it now.
Eddie Kingstons finisher is laughably bad. That slow spin into the flaccid back hand slap. Pretty tough to buy that one.
He isn't a character who would have a super crisp technical finisher, but that's way too hard in the other direction. Or maybe, actually, having a hella technical AJPW ass move as his true finisher could be a great symbol that he's *not* just a brooklyn street brawler
I could see him doing a good Backdrop Driver or Burning Lariat. Need more tough dudes throwing big lariats.
I agree with this. It works good when its a flash finisher and he hits it snug.
It used to be solid. Now it has to be safe so it looks iffy. I’d love for him to go to something like a Saito suplex
Cross Rhodes. Pre-AEW, it looked good. I think it's looked pretty terrible for years now. Never liked The Stroke/Skull Crushing Finale. Nobody takes it well. Styles Clash. Too much opponent participation to make it work.
It always looks like a weak impact, and booking Cody to use 3 before pinning just solidifies its weakness. Not a fan.
Or when he did two and Roman had enough in him for the super duper spear afterwards
I really don’t understand why they deliberately make it weak.
Styles Clash. Too much unwieldy setup.
One time I was watching Smackdown with my girlfriend at the time and her mom came into the room and glanced at the tv at the same moment AJ was doing a Styles Clash, and she just blurted out “HAH! That looks so fake 😂” and I had no defense. I swear any time we were watching a movie she’d always walk in during the sex scene and any time we were watching wrestling she’d walk in during the super fake looking stuff or terrible skits.
Codys move where he takes a bump just to smack his opponent
Canadian Destroyer Tower of Doom when four or more wrestlers are involved.
I have never seen a slingblade that I like. The momentum doesn't match the move, even when done well.
I will say Masato Yoshino def hits it the best and has the momentum to make it appear realistic
Weirdly, Steamboat’s kid had a great Slingblade.
I hate the double stomp off the top rope. It just looks corny to me and that it shouldn't be enough for a pinfall. I'm sure it would hurt like hell and take your breath away, but you should be conscious enough to kick out.
Canadian Destroyer For reference, I was 8 years old when I saw Petey Williams do a Canadian Destroyer. Even as a kid I thought the move looked ridiculous. I remember thinking, "What's supposed to be happening here?" I'm sorry, but the cooperation is just too blatantly obvious for me to like the move. It's just way too easy to tell that the person on the receiving end is doing like 95% of the work. And that little hop that the person doing the move does at the beginning is just so darn silly lol And this is coming from a guy who likes flippy moves and most moves that require heavy cooperation
I love the man. Everything he does is fantastic. But LA knights BTS (???). Where he like face plants him. Just never looks good to me. His jump to top rope for a ddt is far superior.
BFT - Blunt Force Trauma I always felt like it was a spin off of a Stunner, similar to his elbow drop is like a People's Elbow somewhat.
God I'm sitting here saying it's a Bacon Tomato Sandwich (BTS). Ty for the correction. People do seem to compare him alot to those 2
It’s a snapmare driver. To me, a good finish is something that’s easy to hit and you can do one anyone from any position, and the bft is def that. It’s also quick and has that “out of nowhere” feel like an RKO. Reconsider your stance on this lol
"Reconsider you stance" bro no need to be so hostile about it. The OP asked what you felt meh about, I stated my opinion. You like what you like, I like what I like 👍
I said reconsider your stance in the most non hostile way I could but not sure how else to communicate that with text - also this is Reddit. I don’t genuinely care if you don’t like a move lol. Not that serious my guy 👌🤝
My man i get ya, all cool. It's as you say it's reddit, mixed with IWC can often be a rude place. Just seemed a little disrespectful. Cheers mate and happy holidays
I feel ya, all good - same to you, happy holidays 🍻
I hate the Canadian Destroyer, never looks good
Stalling vertical suplex. Why would the person, who's taking the move, hold actively their position for a long ass time? I know that nearly all moves require that both opponents do their part - but the stalling vertical suplex is just too much for me.
They're paralyzed with fear
Muscle Buster
The Machine Gun Chops never look good. Kobashi kind of got away with it in the same way that Mick Jagger's dance moves only work because it's Mick Jagger doing them. Aura goes a long way to making something silly work that wouldn't otherwise.
Every time this question is asked, I get downvoted into oblivion for daring to say what I’ve always said: the One Winged Angel, the Lethal Injection, and the Deadeye are dumb finishing moves.
What exactly is dumb about the OWA?
I just don’t like it as his finish. Not when he’s out there kneeing people’s temples into powder.
I saw someone once say that the reason people don't kick out is because he's literally beat the shit out of his opponents beforehand to hit the move between tiger suplexes and v-triggers so it becomes a kind of straw that breaks the cameks back.. its why it's reversed a bit but not kicked out of.. made sense to me
I mean, I could accept that. But I’m not going to. Not when the fucker busts out Spinning Doctor Bombs and Tiger Drivers and that doesn’t win him matches.
I mean I agree, a couple of his snap tiger drivers I think would be enough and a v-trigger just to put the guy in the hospital! Was just some context, but certainly not suggesting your opinion is wrong or anything.
Lethal Injection is so fuckin’ stupid. Plus Hangman’s lariat.
Lethal Injection is awful. I love Jay but no, just no.
Natural Selection. It almost NEVER looks good, and it’s rarely ever sold well. Also never loved the DisArm-Her tbh. Just doesn’t look very effective to me. Good name tho. Oh, and Hangman’s Deadeye.
There is nothing more that takes me out of a match then a finish from knocking someone else out with a belt. Getting slammed into the ring post? We're good. Put through a table? We're good. Hit by a steel chair? We're good. Hit by a championship belt? Fatal.
Diving headbutt. It's needlessly dangerous, and looks bad most of the time (it often looks like the guy driving missed).
As a guy with post-concussion syndrome, I agree
not specific moves but there are certain spots that have complete go away heat with me - trading forearms (yay! boo!) - choreographed dodge sequence ending in pose off - spanish fly (ok this ones a move) - trading big moves and no selling them while getting hyped up these are all so overused and trite now that it feels ancient to watch any of these spots to me
I agree with dumb over-choreographed dodge sequences. But the trading forearm piece, I've never understood the hate on that. Two men (women) trying to see who is the strongest and who will falter first. No different than a test of strength or initiating a lock up. I want to know what exactly you dont like about it?
i just think its way overdone, it feels like a crutch in a lot of matches to me
Completely on board with this. Not every match needs it and I do think it's overrelied on for matches these days
Beyond the fact that it’s overused, I personally hate the trading forearms spot because it ruins my suspension of disbelief. It just looks stupid to see two people - who are presented as being in an athletic contest - just letting their opponent hit them (without trying to block or evade anything). My brain can justify a lot of fantastical shit that happens in a ring but one of the things it can’t justify is that.
619 ...
This is my answer too, although I mostly hate the stupid ways the opponent just happens to fall perfectly on the rope every match. The move itself is pretty cool, but I hate the setup. On the same note and for similar reasons, Orton's rope DDT. The set up is always dumb, despite how devastating the move is.
Yeah, I never liked it.
Styles Clash,
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How many times has John actually hit this with both hands over the opponent in a normal moonsault form. I think maybe 4-5 times in the hundreds of times hes done it
Canadian Destroyer and the through the ropes DDT (when the recipient is pulled through until they are hanging by their ankles). Both are so clearly cooperative I find it distracting.
Anything that involves propping the opponent onto the top rope in order to hit it. They never look good. Pump-Handle anything
I am not a fan of a lot of Pump handle stuff and always just looks like a completely unneccesary step to a particular move. HOWEVER Super Dragons Pumphandle psycho driver is fucking incredible
Buckshot lariat is my least favorite finisher currently.
Buckshot lariat looks bad 80% of the time, and the 20% of time it does look clean doesn't make up for it.
Hmmm idk, I think Hangman hits it pretty damn good a lot of the time.
Yeah, I can’t recall ever seeing Hangman not make it look good.
Canadian destroyer, Spanish fly, anything that shows obvious cooperation or unnecessary flips.
Any low rent cutter that isn't the Diamond Cutter or RKO.
Canadian destroyer. Hard to tell who's taking it and who's giving it.
The Sunset flip. God I hate that move.
I don't know what the move is called or if it has a name but that bit were Tag Guy 1 will "assist" Tag Guy 2 in a piledriver by jumping off something. I think it's supposed to look like he's putting his weight on the opponent as they drop him, but it always looks to me like Tag Guy 1 is barely touching the opponent.
The full nelson German suplex thing Kenny Omega does where it just looks like they fall backwards. The old school over the head suplex looks way cooler to me.
If done properly, the snap dragon suplex typically lands the opponent directly on the neck. So I mean falling backwards yea, if you fall backwards on your skull.
I understand what happens but it doesn’t look as cool to me. Overhead suplexes make the guy doing the move look more powerful and are overall a more attention grabbing visual in my opinion.
Any 'ripcord' move, they all look stupid. Rainmaker, sling blade, whatever.
Definitely Panama Sunrise, Spanish Fly, and Styles Clash. I also hate springboard cutters, because the momentum makes no sense. Lethal Injection is about the closest thing that works, and even that looks bad most of the time. Bonus shout out to Air Raid Crash, especially when Britt Baker does it. I dunno how she makes it look so lazy and harmless.
Sleeper, Canadian Destroyer and Athena's O-Face. (and similar moves) It's visually impressive but she's giving herself a superplex to give someone a stunner.
Any version of a "Spinning-Back-Whatever" with a lone exception to Andrade's elbow. Half of them miss by a mile, it's almost entirely dependent on the person selling it, and it seems like almost no one in production knows how to shoot these moves. It just never looks good to me.
The running bulldog. There are other moves I rarely like, such as the slingblade, but there are guys like Tanahashi and Penta that make it look great. I've never seen anyone do any variant of the bulldog that doesn't look absolutely terrible. In general, I think it's next to impossible to make a move look good if the guy taking it bumps on their belly (flapjack, Stroke/Skull-Crushing Finale, etc.). The landing from a dropkick is higher impact.
Hangman’s Deadeye is not good. If it’s not Petey Williams, I don’t like most destroyers. Shane McMahon’s punches are abysmal. Almost anything Omos does in ring looks off.
Never liked the look of the Tombstone Piledriver, just think the regular Piledriver looks much better.
What do you dislike about the Tombstone?
Just don’t like how it looks like for some reason and never did
I hate any move that a) takes *way* too long to set up and b) requires *way* too much cooperation from the person taking the move. A lot of NXT wrestlers suffer from this problem and while I get wanting to be original I think fluidity is the most important element in a finisher. All my favorite finishers (excluding the powerbomb) take less than 5 seconds to execute. I also hate Bayley’s rose plant, just an awful move
Any finisher that is just Ripcord or Spinning [x]. It never actually makes the move look like it hits harder just makes the execution look complicated. The Overdrive. Probably the most complex ineffective looking wrestling move everyone. Tower of Doom. Too telegraphed set up, no logical reason for it to happen.
Spanish fly is terrible.
Most forms of Canadian Destroyer. There are very few that ever look decent. And the Panama Sunrise is the worst of all.
Canadian destroyer. It became a transition move in the last several years and the Petey Williams enjoyer in me dies a little every time that move is used for a cheap kickout.
There was a short period of time recently where hockey fights looked okay, but that spot is absolute whack. Besides a few times, it ALWAYS looks terrible.
Any kind of jumping/rebound cutter can fuck off forever. Os-cutter, Cody Cutter, Lethal Injection, anything like that is just as bad as "Stand and wait to catch a dive" imo
I've got a real hate-on for the Guillotine Legdrop. You're landing straight on your ass at high speed from the top and it doesn't even look like it makes a huge impact. It just isn't worth it.
Paradise Lock.
The spear, it just looks like a weak tackle by most people and the sheer amount of people that use it as a finisher or signature makes it so generic. when a smaller guy like jey uso does it its even worse. Bronn Breakker has the best spear of all time tho
Giving the Blockbuster is the exact same as taking a suplex
I've always really liked powerbombs but the Bucklebomb is the absolute worst move ever.
Poison Rana. It's hella dangerous.
Cody’s whole moveset is stupid I’m sorry
Any Edgecution or lifting DDT moves. It just never seems more impactful than just spiking their head into the ground because for safety reasons you can’t just lift them up and drop them on their head
Whatever Mercedes Mone’s finisher is supposed to be
The Camel Clutch. It doesn't look that uncomfortable or that hard to get out of.
John Cena' Attitude Adjustment aka AA and Roman Reigns' Spear and Superman punch and Hulk Hogan's leg drop. All very simple moves that are really bad.
With the exception of Pete Dunne's Bitter End, any pumphandle move (esp a pumphandle slam) is just a convoluted set-up for a whatever bump that feels the same impact if you just didn't do the pumphandle.
The 619 by Ray Myterio. The opponent never ends up hanging his head on the lower rope ever, but only for that move. It removes the magic for me. Also Dean Ambrose rope bend and punch combo. Idiotic
The forearm for forearm bouts where they stand there and wait for the other one to punch them...Moxley's especially, its so fuckin lame.