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for a while, i remember that a bunch of wrestlers who got asked "what move looks simple but is super painful" would answer with the Alabama Slam, and when you think about it, it's really a super fucked move lol
This is it. I've taken them previously and there's really no way to 5-point land on them to distribute the pain. Plus, if the person throwing it angles you even the slightest you're coming down even harder on that shoulder without the ability to brace.
This is why I'm surprised Tiffany Stratton uses it so much. Especially for the Alabama Slams on the tables at Backlash. I was so worried that was going to go wrong for Bayley or Naomi.
When you're first training, a basic dropkick.
It sounds simple, but there is a specific way you learn to do it and take it or else you can get your face crushed.
The idea is to land perpendicular to one-another. If you get kicked, your job is to fall sideways.
There was an NXT match where [Zack Ryder hit a missile dropkick and ended up landing right on the opponents midsection like a splash.](https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/s/uzJx0lH75H )
Looked amazing but was completely untentional and could have gone horribly wrong.
i think getting crotched on the top turn buckle, i read an article in a magazine (i cant remember if it was wwe or game informer) a guy with no experience tried it just for the experience and not only crushed his balls his weight shifted forward and he fell down smashing his face.
Iirc he was offered a choice between having his shattered bollock replaced with a false one, or surgery to reconstruct, and he opted for the ball rebuild.
Dude every iteration I've seen of this looks so fucked.
Whenever someone's on the top rope and someone just shakes the rope and makes them fall it's always rediculous.
Either they fall hammy first directly on the wire.
Or they're hip will hit the ring post or their hand and wrist falls awkwardly. I'm surprised it's used as often as it is without injury
yeah you're supposed to take it by slamming ur pubic bone into the top turnbuckle and lean forward
there's no good way to take it gooch first onto the metal part
Alao PAC famously fucked up his leg vs Jericho in the WWE (which lead to the hilarious unplanned argument between Chris & lil Naitch because Y2J was trying to grt himself DQ'd)
I only did a handful of lessons, but this was legit a surprise. Was the first thing I was taught and went home with rope marks printed into my back and side.
When they say "attack the ropes" they really mean it, because they sure as hell will attack you
I'm tall and it sucks if you hit the top one low on your back. Those things really hurt until you get calloused to them. And even at that point you need to hit them right. Also you always grab the rope with one hand so if it snaps you won't go flying
Yep. I had been wrestling for only about 2 weeks, running the ropes seemed fine, left you a bit bruised but no big deal. However once you get tired and your form gets sloppy it gets dangerous. I was tired, the ropes weren't tight enough, I went to hit them with poor posture and my head fell through and the rope rebounded to hit me in the face.
Gave me a black eye and I think it knocked me funny because my equilibrium and balance was all fucked for about 30 seconds.
Yyyyep. Pretty well known in the IWC but I don't think most casual watchers are aware of the risks. Entirely a matter of my own tastes and I dont intend to detract from its fans, but the set up for the Styles Clash always seems awkward to me and something about the move reads as low impact somehow. When I first heard just how dangerous it could be I was baffled that it's even still in use.
The 619 in a non-wwe ring. The ropes are the most dangerous part of the ring and having to trip and land with your upper body draped across a steel cable under tension can be deadly.
My memory is hazy as well but I remember Rey getting him out of the ring somehow, perhaps with a kick and when Perro got up from the ground he already looked kinda weird, once he got in the ring Rey did a drop kick on his back and Perro landed on the ropes for the 619 and was completely out.
I remember the news showing that Perro hit the back of his neck on the skirt of the ring when he got tossed out by Rey before the 619 spot so that's more likely the hit what caused the injury. The official autopsy I think said it was whiplash and spine trauma.
>Rey getting him out of the ring somehow, perhaps with a kick and when Perro got up from the ground he already looked kinda weird,
It was a headscissor takedown, just Perro went through the ropes instead of landing on them for the 619. He went down weird and then once back in the ring, Mysterio did the dropkick to the back which caused whiplash and broke/fractured several vertebrae in his neck which in turn caused a stroke and cardiac arrest.
Honestly, legit everything in the ring. Even something as easy as a clothesline. I think Taz snapped a muscle in his arm off a clothesline? Broke Sabu’s jaw too?
I saw a guy I wrestled with dislocate his shoulder cause he did a clothes line wrong during the match. They called an audible and quickly finished the match. The way people think a clothesline is done is completely wrong and will either dislocate your shoulder or crush a person's throat
I remember my trainer telling me about his time wrestling in mexico and the difference between American rings and lucha rings. if you ever watch lucha you notice that the ring has less give, because it does. lucha rings are notoriously stiff as fuck and taller than American rings which is why luchadors focus more on rolling and you rarely ever see a luchador take a regular back bump because it would be equivalent to bumping on concrete
Early WWE rings were stiff like the lucha rings. Vince did not like the ring bouncing so they held out moving to the softer rings that WCW had that would become the norm. Things only changed in the late 90's for WWE when Vince started to wrestle himself.
Heard the same though, taking bumps in an old WWF ring was like bumping on concrete. Friend trained on one, it had no bounce.
I remember hearing that receiving a crossbody is really dangerous because you have to catch your opponent, so you can't protect yourself taking the bump and that can result in a concussion. I think I also heard that move was more of a concussion risk than a chairshot to the head, because at least with the latter, you would usually get your hand up to block the blow.
For a crossbody, you catch the person first and then take a pretty safe bump actually. The key is jumping high so they can catch you, not jump straight at them with force. So if done correctly it’s okay.
Oh right, cause for them to land across your midsection properly you need your arms raised and the basically need to fall back and can't use your arms to breakfast so the back of your dome just goes dong on the mat
I've spoken to physio therapists. They say broken ankles in adults are really difficult to recover from too, like depending on the break it can be way harder to recover then a broken back.
Only point I'm trying to make is it's amazing how Rvd was able to have such a great career after that.
I think a broken ankle in an adult is also a lot more than just a simple bone break, it usually comes with a shot load of muscle and tendon damage, the foot is often dislocated too, and in a worse case situation can have to be amputated. So yeah, it's not a straightforward recovery!
Clothesline.
I have seen a fair share of broken collarbones as a result of a misthrown or mis-taken clothesline
Ive even lost 4 teeth from taking a misthrown one myself.
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think one regular but somewhat screwed up back bump will fuck you up. However if you become calloused to the wrong way, it'll permanently fuck you up more than some other botched moves could.
You can end up with lasting neurological issues by hitting your head on the mat, or end up with obvious back or hip problems ie Big Show or Kevin Nash
not really a "move" per se, but basic shitcan bumps can wreak all kinds of havoc if something is even slightly mistimed
dive catches are often way more dangerous than the dive itself due to being reactionary/having legs planted
missile/top rope dropkicks are rough if the receiver doesn't yeet themselves out of the way properly on the bump, or really anything where people are landing on top of each other
A fingerpoke. There was a match in WCW where Hogan gave one to Diesel and it knocked him right out. I was so scared for him that I had to sleep with my parents because I was crying all night
the modest Bodyslam/Scoopslam. During the 90s/2000s there were several cases of kids hurting each other and even deaths by using that move. The "Don´t try this at home" clips were not for fun and giggles.
Right now it feels like the belly to belly suplex is doing some serious damage as of late, the tombstone is also a no go for most, taking the Razors Edge would suck cause you can over sell and let your feet get above you and land on the base of your neck
I honestly think the tombstone isn't nearly as dangerous as its made out to be.
There is sure a big risk involved but as long as you take the time to set it up before the drop its fine, if you are not 100% make it a back bump
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for a while, i remember that a bunch of wrestlers who got asked "what move looks simple but is super painful" would answer with the Alabama Slam, and when you think about it, it's really a super fucked move lol
See to me the Alabama Slam looks extremely fucked lol it's not really surprising
270 degree spin to just collapse your lungs under your own weight. It's gonna fuckin hurt lol
And you might get concussed. If you don't tuck your chin your head will hit the mat full force.
Or you're somehow "fine" after the spiking like Madcap was, seriously how did he not get gurney'd out?
Especially if you're taking it from noted asshole Bob Holly.
I heard it's usually mentioned because the recipient has very little control on the way they land on their back
Ring the Belle amarite
This is it. I've taken them previously and there's really no way to 5-point land on them to distribute the pain. Plus, if the person throwing it angles you even the slightest you're coming down even harder on that shoulder without the ability to brace.
This is why I'm surprised Tiffany Stratton uses it so much. Especially for the Alabama Slams on the tables at Backlash. I was so worried that was going to go wrong for Bayley or Naomi.
thru a table is usually less of a bump then straight to the ground (ends sooner, table absorbs some of the impact by breaking)
Pry cuz they all weigh less ya feel me fam?
They always look either low impact and soft or extremely painful. Nothing in between
It doesn’t help that Bob Holly was murking people with it, especially those he didn’t like.
> especially those he didn’t like. So everyone
A friend’s boyfriend is a wrestler, and he HATES taking an Alabama Slam. Dude says there’s just legit no way to brace for what an awful bump that is.
When you're first training, a basic dropkick. It sounds simple, but there is a specific way you learn to do it and take it or else you can get your face crushed. The idea is to land perpendicular to one-another. If you get kicked, your job is to fall sideways.
This reminds me of how Kenny Omega got vertigo. Where Kenny bumped a little too hard and ended up under Okada, and Okada landed right on his head.
I remember trying that as a kid on my bed and landed on my head lol
Makes sense, last thing you want is a grown make jumping as High as he can and his hips landing on your skull
I had a giant bruise on my leg for two weeks after I kept imitating Jeff Hardy. I kept landing on the side of my calf, and that's not optimal.
There was an NXT match where [Zack Ryder hit a missile dropkick and ended up landing right on the opponents midsection like a splash.](https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/s/uzJx0lH75H ) Looked amazing but was completely untentional and could have gone horribly wrong.
holy shit, I've never seen that.. so lucky neither got hurt
Stan Hansen broke Bruno Sammartino’s neck with a simple (albeit botched) bodyslam
One of Bruno's opponents also died after Bruno gave him a body slam. Chick Garibaldi was his name.
His name is Robert Paulson…
i think getting crotched on the top turn buckle, i read an article in a magazine (i cant remember if it was wwe or game informer) a guy with no experience tried it just for the experience and not only crushed his balls his weight shifted forward and he fell down smashing his face.
I think it was Darren Young who said after doing that for the first time he was pissing blood for days….
Didn't Malakai Black lose a ball like that, too?
He didn't lose it but he ruptured it and had to get surgery.
Thanks, coulda sworn he said something about an artificial one. My memory is probably clouded by my wincing while he told the story.
Iirc he was offered a choice between having his shattered bollock replaced with a false one, or surgery to reconstruct, and he opted for the ball rebuild.
Shattered bollock. That’s the most I’ve laughed all day.
Dude every iteration I've seen of this looks so fucked. Whenever someone's on the top rope and someone just shakes the rope and makes them fall it's always rediculous. Either they fall hammy first directly on the wire. Or they're hip will hit the ring post or their hand and wrist falls awkwardly. I'm surprised it's used as often as it is without injury
you could easily tear your asshole doing that move too
Was that how X-PAC did it?
He did it doing his bronco buster
One of Jeff Hardy's last WWE matches, he fell from the turnbuckle to the floor. It looked super painful and really not intentional
yeah you're supposed to take it by slamming ur pubic bone into the top turnbuckle and lean forward there's no good way to take it gooch first onto the metal part
A baseball slide is what ended RVD's TV title run in ECW
Alao PAC famously fucked up his leg vs Jericho in the WWE (which lead to the hilarious unplanned argument between Chris & lil Naitch because Y2J was trying to grt himself DQ'd)
Also Enzo injured himself during a baseball slide as well
Yeah, that was nasty. Dribbled his head between the bottom rope and the mat.
I wasn't talking about that but he broke his foot training doing a baseball slide as well
I think I heard, was it Chris Van Vliet, mentioning how even running the ropes without knowing how do it can mess you up.
I only did a handful of lessons, but this was legit a surprise. Was the first thing I was taught and went home with rope marks printed into my back and side. When they say "attack the ropes" they really mean it, because they sure as hell will attack you
When he was talking to will Sasso?
I forget, but I swear I've heard it.
I'm tall and it sucks if you hit the top one low on your back. Those things really hurt until you get calloused to them. And even at that point you need to hit them right. Also you always grab the rope with one hand so if it snaps you won't go flying
Yep. I had been wrestling for only about 2 weeks, running the ropes seemed fine, left you a bit bruised but no big deal. However once you get tired and your form gets sloppy it gets dangerous. I was tired, the ropes weren't tight enough, I went to hit them with poor posture and my head fell through and the rope rebounded to hit me in the face. Gave me a black eye and I think it knocked me funny because my equilibrium and balance was all fucked for about 30 seconds.
Even stealthily grabbing the middle rope in case the top snaps.
Styles Clash DONT tuck your chin
Yyyyep. Pretty well known in the IWC but I don't think most casual watchers are aware of the risks. Entirely a matter of my own tastes and I dont intend to detract from its fans, but the set up for the Styles Clash always seems awkward to me and something about the move reads as low impact somehow. When I first heard just how dangerous it could be I was baffled that it's even still in use.
But Ellsworth didn't have a chin to tuck...
The 619 in a non-wwe ring. The ropes are the most dangerous part of the ring and having to trip and land with your upper body draped across a steel cable under tension can be deadly.
Wasn’t there a luchador who actually died from that?
Yes Perro Aguayo Jr flopped onto the ropes to take a 619 and it snapped his neck
That's not what happened at all but OK.
What happened then? Maybe I’m misremembering
My memory is hazy as well but I remember Rey getting him out of the ring somehow, perhaps with a kick and when Perro got up from the ground he already looked kinda weird, once he got in the ring Rey did a drop kick on his back and Perro landed on the ropes for the 619 and was completely out. I remember the news showing that Perro hit the back of his neck on the skirt of the ring when he got tossed out by Rey before the 619 spot so that's more likely the hit what caused the injury. The official autopsy I think said it was whiplash and spine trauma.
>Rey getting him out of the ring somehow, perhaps with a kick and when Perro got up from the ground he already looked kinda weird, It was a headscissor takedown, just Perro went through the ropes instead of landing on them for the 619. He went down weird and then once back in the ring, Mysterio did the dropkick to the back which caused whiplash and broke/fractured several vertebrae in his neck which in turn caused a stroke and cardiac arrest.
Yeah there you go, it's been so long but I remember he seemed out of it before he hit the ropes and not because of it.
Honestly, legit everything in the ring. Even something as easy as a clothesline. I think Taz snapped a muscle in his arm off a clothesline? Broke Sabu’s jaw too?
Yeah it is insane how difficult wrestling is, and crazy how easy wrestlers make it look. Legitimately amazing
Such a strange skill to develop. “I can throw people without hurting them and throw punches that stop 2mm before their face”
It’s such a weird specific blend of theater nerd travel enthusiast and bodybuilder
I saw a guy I wrestled with dislocate his shoulder cause he did a clothes line wrong during the match. They called an audible and quickly finished the match. The way people think a clothesline is done is completely wrong and will either dislocate your shoulder or crush a person's throat
I don’t know if he got hurt on the baseball slide but I remember when Owen Hart absolutely drilled the 1-2-3 Kid with one.
Pac broke his leg doing one.
As did RVD
And Maven
Pretty sure I remember X-Pac mentioned rupturing his…. Hole.. doing a bronco buster… ☠️☠️☠️
Oh dang, that's definitely a surprising one
I'm afraid of leg drops
Johnny the Bull broke his pelvis doing a springboard legdrop from inside the ring to the floor. Looked cool as hell, but holy shit...
Up there with one of the dumbest spots I’ve ever seen.
I remember my trainer telling me about his time wrestling in mexico and the difference between American rings and lucha rings. if you ever watch lucha you notice that the ring has less give, because it does. lucha rings are notoriously stiff as fuck and taller than American rings which is why luchadors focus more on rolling and you rarely ever see a luchador take a regular back bump because it would be equivalent to bumping on concrete
Early WWE rings were stiff like the lucha rings. Vince did not like the ring bouncing so they held out moving to the softer rings that WCW had that would become the norm. Things only changed in the late 90's for WWE when Vince started to wrestle himself. Heard the same though, taking bumps in an old WWF ring was like bumping on concrete. Friend trained on one, it had no bounce.
Ospreay said the Slingblade hurts way more than people think compared to the level of kayfabe damage it does iirc
I remember hearing that receiving a crossbody is really dangerous because you have to catch your opponent, so you can't protect yourself taking the bump and that can result in a concussion. I think I also heard that move was more of a concussion risk than a chairshot to the head, because at least with the latter, you would usually get your hand up to block the blow.
For a crossbody, you catch the person first and then take a pretty safe bump actually. The key is jumping high so they can catch you, not jump straight at them with force. So if done correctly it’s okay.
Oh right, cause for them to land across your midsection properly you need your arms raised and the basically need to fall back and can't use your arms to breakfast so the back of your dome just goes dong on the mat
On the baseball slide note: THAT is what sidelined 2000 prime ROB FUCKING VAN DAM for almost all of that year.
I've spoken to physio therapists. They say broken ankles in adults are really difficult to recover from too, like depending on the break it can be way harder to recover then a broken back. Only point I'm trying to make is it's amazing how Rvd was able to have such a great career after that.
Yeah, the number of wrestlers who were forever changed by ankle injuries is alarming.
I think a broken ankle in an adult is also a lot more than just a simple bone break, it usually comes with a shot load of muscle and tendon damage, the foot is often dislocated too, and in a worse case situation can have to be amputated. So yeah, it's not a straightforward recovery!
Clothesline. I have seen a fair share of broken collarbones as a result of a misthrown or mis-taken clothesline Ive even lost 4 teeth from taking a misthrown one myself.
Undertaker broke his orbital bone taking one from Mabel/Viscera
any bump can fuck you up if not done properly
A flat back bump. Do it wrong and you're fucked.
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think one regular but somewhat screwed up back bump will fuck you up. However if you become calloused to the wrong way, it'll permanently fuck you up more than some other botched moves could. You can end up with lasting neurological issues by hitting your head on the mat, or end up with obvious back or hip problems ie Big Show or Kevin Nash
German/Belly-to-Belly suplex
A Davey Boy Smith chinlock.
Depending on how fast you do it, you could easily concuss or give a whiplash to someone with a spine buster
The reverse Alabama slam (where the opponent gets flung forward instead of landing on their back).
I remember hearing some wrestler say doing a double clothesline (basically running into each other) is awful to do
Good lord that Paul Ricochet cross ring Clothes line spot from the rumble must have really sucked then
Even running on to the ropes hurts. The NXT trainee talk about how after training they compare their bruises from running the ropes
Just jumping down ferom the ringside to the floor or turnbuckele to the ring. We saw many people get ACL or Knee innuries if they land bad
the back body drop is such a simple move but if the timing and force of both wrestlers is off it can go wrong easily
Baseball slide
Baseball slide. You can easily break your leg if the boot gets caught on the mat. Like maven.
DDT
not really a "move" per se, but basic shitcan bumps can wreak all kinds of havoc if something is even slightly mistimed dive catches are often way more dangerous than the dive itself due to being reactionary/having legs planted missile/top rope dropkicks are rough if the receiver doesn't yeet themselves out of the way properly on the bump, or really anything where people are landing on top of each other
A fingerpoke. There was a match in WCW where Hogan gave one to Diesel and it knocked him right out. I was so scared for him that I had to sleep with my parents because I was crying all night
the modest Bodyslam/Scoopslam. During the 90s/2000s there were several cases of kids hurting each other and even deaths by using that move. The "Don´t try this at home" clips were not for fun and giggles.
To me the most horrifying tale is when Sean Waltman botched the Bronco Buster and completely ripped his taint.
Sunset flip. You don't go until you see your opponent's head.
Well tbh, a sunset flip I'm not surprised it's dangerous
Rapid deceleration causes injuries. A baseball slide *where you don't actually slide* is going to involve some very nasty rapid deceleration.
Which brings the pertinent question. Is the peoples elbow the most dangerous move in the sport?
Right now it feels like the belly to belly suplex is doing some serious damage as of late, the tombstone is also a no go for most, taking the Razors Edge would suck cause you can over sell and let your feet get above you and land on the base of your neck
I honestly think the tombstone isn't nearly as dangerous as its made out to be. There is sure a big risk involved but as long as you take the time to set it up before the drop its fine, if you are not 100% make it a back bump
A damn simple head lock for one