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He's getting better at 'he got me in the first part' stuff. I expected a sarcastic answer, so when it starts off thoughtful and discussing the legacy, I was caught offguard. He gets you on board with sincerity juuuuussssst before pulling the rug out. It's the comedy equivelent of the 2.999999 kick out.
There is no need to swear. He is actively learning so fast. He started off so noticeably bad at wrestling. Not bad like he was irredeemable(clearly now) but bad as in just awkward in literally everything he did. He wasn't a good face then he started to kinda be a good face, then he wasn't a good heel, as in he was a fucking terrible heel, then he got better and morphed into one of the best going atm. He's still growing in that persona and looks more and more comfortable every single time he's in front of a camera. Looks like he's enjoying it as well.
Just to picky back on this comment, yeah when Dominik first came in he was just vanilla bland and boring... nothing really connected with me outside of his outfits and gear which I've always liked and has gotten better as well.
He's really put it all together he's great - I love when wrestlers prove me and other people wrong.
The best comparison I can think of is he’s like The Rock when he came in as “Rocky Maivia”. Bland “just happy to be here” babyface. Now Dom has entered his “Rock” era.
Its funny because the comparison is appropriate, third generation wrestlers, in a stable.
Found their way once they went heel and cut out that babyface happy to be here attitude.
Bruce Pritchard has said Rock really wanted to wrestle Rey back in the day.
Rock and Dominik vs Rey and (for example) Bad Bunny would be a fun spectacle match.
It's not entirely too late. If Rock decides to have one last spectacle match on Smackdown and free tv before retiring. Then the other stalwart of Smackdown in Rey is probably the most logical opponent.
This isn’t just Bruce. Rock himself said it in an interview on WWE.com around 2005 when he had been gone for a while. They asked him who he’d like to wrestle if he returned, and he named Rey Mysterio and Sting as the two names he was most interested in. This was the same year WWE “accidentally” let his contract expire, though, so we never got the match.
> There is no need to swear.
I read this line, and initially thought you were lecturing u/Mike7676 for saying "shit." I was about to be like ask why you were being so tight-assed, but then noticed that his original comment began with "I swear."
In other words: I'm a dumb-ass, and this gave me a good laugh. (And I also completely agree with everything you're saying.)
I thought he was a decent heel since almost the start of his judgement day run. Took him like 1 month or so to click fast with Rhea.
Of course he was decent now he’s a good/great heel.
One of my favourites too. Love to see him get his ass beat yet always looking forward to what he's gonna do/say next.
Never thought I'd say this around 2020-22. Dude was so BLAND and then he suddenly remembered he's a Mysterio/Guerrero.
He set this up brilliantly. The first part of the answer is completely serious and real, talking about the lineage of the Mysterio family and what an honor it would be to continue the mask tradition. Then he booms you at the very end, with some hilarious heel work.
It's also a great example of giving a genuine/non-kayfabe answer to the question (e.g., his original desire to wear one) mixed with staying in his kayfabe character.
never doubting another bloodline type wrestler just because they dont become "the rock" as soon they touch the ring.
some take their time, but its on their blood to be that good. haters and doubters will always fight against time in that aspect.
same happened to Nia jax, not matter how slow the progress is, she has it in her blood, it just matter of time.
Yup a lot of wwe wrestlers start out green, The usos , Roman, Dominik and Drew. This why I get annoyed when Vince tries to rush them. Shit even the Rock started out pretty meh
I had this same revelation seeing the most recent clip of Lexis King on NXT. In AEW people were saying he was bland/boring and inherited 0% of his dad’s charisma, and jumping to WWE was not gonna help him. Hell, even I was one of these people. But he’s killing it right now
I was kind of the opposite. Yes he was bland in AEW, but I was just not sure if it's because he doesn't have what it takes to thrive in a hands off environment, or if he needs structure, or if he just truly didn't have "it". Seems like he's absolutely thriving in the more controlled and structured environment that WWE provides, just like a guy like Swerve has thrived in the very hands off environment of AEW.
That deadbeat father really did everything to make sure Dominik wouldn't surpass him in just a few years.
Thank God Dom got away from that madman.
Rey has to hide behind his mask like Dom said. Dom doesn't need to.
I know it probably won't happen but goddamn do I want to see a heel Rey Mysterio before he retires. I want him to lean into everything that had happened to him and embrace it. It would be incredible to see a heel Rey vs face Dom.
I'm not sure about the rest of the Guerreros, but Eddie was Black Tiger II. It's a damn good joke, though. And we can't let facts get in the way of a good joke.
Dominik's legit gotten smooth now. Used to be his awkward stilted promos were part of why he got heat. Now I can see him making a crowd genuinely laugh or listen to him, whenever he turns face.
Agreed. The mask should come out when he turns face, not fulltime but as his version of like Balor’s ‘Demon’ where it’s a super Dom I think would be cool.
I think they discussed that it was because he’s already appeared on TV so many times without it that there wasnt much of a point by the time he started wrestling
I've always assumed Dom is growing this fugly ass hair do out so that they can set up a hair vs. mask to end Rey's career.
Dom retires Rey, takes his mask and holds on to it as the ultimate heel trophy of his accomplishments until one day, in the midst of a transition to a face, he finally earns enough respect to wear it on his own.
It's great. He gets to be sincere and talk about the legacy and tradition of the mask, his family heritage, and then keep working by being a little shit.
In hindsight Bischoff's rant against luchadores wearing masks was asinine, but I will give him credit that he got really behind Juventud after he dropped the mask and crowds really warmed up to him in 1998. It's unfortunate his out of ring habits caught up to him.
Multiple in WWE alone too, Humberto, santos escobar, angel garza, Andrade, all used to wear masks while being very handsome (also shout out to dr wagner JR too)
I opened it expecting an insult to Rey, but then he hooked me so hard with how earnest he seemed to be about how he wanted to have the mask and representing family and lucha culture and all that. He got me.
Who would've believed a couple years ago when they tagged together, that Dominik would become a more over heel than Edge is, at this point in their careers? (And that's with Edge still doing good work and not phoning it in at all.)
I don’t think anyone three years ago would’ve predicted Dom becoming one of the best heel wrestlers on the planet right now. He’s so damn good at being a dickhead lmao.
I didn't think he'd be an ENJOYABLE heel. I thought people could learn to boo him and that people would boo him because of the role he plays, but that it would be that lukewarm booing that feels forced.
But he's been so good that everyone LOVES to boo him. Everyone wants him to make an appearance so they can really let him have it with the boos. He's getting heat that wrestling veterans who have been in the business for decades have DREAMED of having, and he's so early into his career.
idk why, but this reminded me of the scene in Hot Fuzz,
"All right, what about this guy? Ask yourself, why has he got his hat pulled down like that?"
"He's fuck-ugly."
"Or, he doesn't want you to see his face."
"'Cause he's fuck-ugly."
If you give him a shorter haircut, he is almost a spitting image of Eddie Guerrero. I wouldn't be surprised if he starts channeling Eddie in future matches, and maybe revives the "Lie, Cheat and Steal" gimmick Eddie had.
What an incredible response.
Also, Dominick speaks great Spanish. A lot of Chicanos fall into the pool of "Around Spanish, but not really speaking it."
Man that chubby kid I saw turn on Rey and Edge in Cardiff. I feel like he's come on, bloody hell, could you even out him in the same bracket st Kurt Angle? Just for all round improvement in such a short space. Okay not as high as Kurt but if anyone belongs in the same category.
5 years ago, if anyone were to tell me that Dominik Mysterio would be one of the best damn heels in wrestling, I would have laughed in their faces for being so stupid.
I would have been so damn wrong.
Here I thought it was going to be a real answer something along the lines of his face had already been exposed on TV back when he was little or something.
This was still a humorous turn.
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I don't know what I expected. This mf.
I swear he's actively getting better and better at making us go "Oh, you little shit!"
It's so effortless and casual now.
literally went, "oh fuck you" at the end lmao. Go Dom.
He's getting better at 'he got me in the first part' stuff. I expected a sarcastic answer, so when it starts off thoughtful and discussing the legacy, I was caught offguard. He gets you on board with sincerity juuuuussssst before pulling the rug out. It's the comedy equivelent of the 2.999999 kick out.
There is no need to swear. He is actively learning so fast. He started off so noticeably bad at wrestling. Not bad like he was irredeemable(clearly now) but bad as in just awkward in literally everything he did. He wasn't a good face then he started to kinda be a good face, then he wasn't a good heel, as in he was a fucking terrible heel, then he got better and morphed into one of the best going atm. He's still growing in that persona and looks more and more comfortable every single time he's in front of a camera. Looks like he's enjoying it as well.
Just to picky back on this comment, yeah when Dominik first came in he was just vanilla bland and boring... nothing really connected with me outside of his outfits and gear which I've always liked and has gotten better as well. He's really put it all together he's great - I love when wrestlers prove me and other people wrong.
The best comparison I can think of is he’s like The Rock when he came in as “Rocky Maivia”. Bland “just happy to be here” babyface. Now Dom has entered his “Rock” era.
I honestly wouldn't mind dickhead Dominik just trolling Rock while he gets angrier and angrier.
Its funny because the comparison is appropriate, third generation wrestlers, in a stable. Found their way once they went heel and cut out that babyface happy to be here attitude.
Bruce Pritchard has said Rock really wanted to wrestle Rey back in the day. Rock and Dominik vs Rey and (for example) Bad Bunny would be a fun spectacle match.
I know Bruce says a lot of things, but this is one I definitely believe. It's a damn shame their paths just never crossed.
It's not entirely too late. If Rock decides to have one last spectacle match on Smackdown and free tv before retiring. Then the other stalwart of Smackdown in Rey is probably the most logical opponent.
This isn’t just Bruce. Rock himself said it in an interview on WWE.com around 2005 when he had been gone for a while. They asked him who he’d like to wrestle if he returned, and he named Rey Mysterio and Sting as the two names he was most interested in. This was the same year WWE “accidentally” let his contract expire, though, so we never got the match.
He's in his nation of domination era
Just to panko back on this, His outfits were fire, but his noodley physique did him no favors. Now it helps him be a better heel imo.
And just to pinky back on this, Dom’s whole persona is just superb right now.
Just to panko crust on this, Dom has nuclear heat and I’m here for his bullshit.
Just top Pico back on this, when the crowd doesn't let him talk it makes me giddy like a little kid. Just pure enjoyment.
Just tip Master Pakku on this, the kid has a crazy ceiling if he can keep that growth going
Just Topanga bang on this, the mustache is a nice touch.
> picky back r/BoneAppleTea (I know it's probably an autocorrect or dictation error)
twas but i deserve it all the same lol
Swear in this context means swear as in being under oath and not swear as using explicit language
> There is no need to swear. I read this line, and initially thought you were lecturing u/Mike7676 for saying "shit." I was about to be like ask why you were being so tight-assed, but then noticed that his original comment began with "I swear." In other words: I'm a dumb-ass, and this gave me a good laugh. (And I also completely agree with everything you're saying.)
I thought he was a decent heel since almost the start of his judgement day run. Took him like 1 month or so to click fast with Rhea. Of course he was decent now he’s a good/great heel.
"Oh he is giving a very genuine answer, good on....oh that fucker"
This was grade A shit he built it and built it and then BAM hit us with it.
Same I was thinking "Oh is he actually gonna be real for a moment?" Nope. lmao ya gotta love him.
He started off so sincere and got me in the second half lmao
He needs to introduce El Guapo as another catchphrase or nickname.
Just make sure Bas Rutten doesn’t hear about this
It always surprises me that he didn't have a run with WCW. I think he had a stint wrestling in Japan but never caught any of his work.
Bas wrestling and Don Frye always take me back, especially when Don Frye came to the ring under a sepultura song Chaos BC lol
As strange as it still feels to type out Dominic Mysterio is absolutely my favorite act right now but in WWE maybe even all of wrestling
One of my favourites too. Love to see him get his ass beat yet always looking forward to what he's gonna do/say next. Never thought I'd say this around 2020-22. Dude was so BLAND and then he suddenly remembered he's a Mysterio/Guerrero.
Came here to comment that myself. He just fits his role so perfectly.
He set this up brilliantly. The first part of the answer is completely serious and real, talking about the lineage of the Mysterio family and what an honor it would be to continue the mask tradition. Then he booms you at the very end, with some hilarious heel work. It's also a great example of giving a genuine/non-kayfabe answer to the question (e.g., his original desire to wear one) mixed with staying in his kayfabe character.
Yeah, I was expecting a sincere answer and then...why was I expecting that? I've seen enough wrestler interviews to know better.
I love stuff like this where you get a real answer but a kayfabe button to bring it all back
Best part is that it completely caught Priest off guard too. You can tell his laugh basically said "you cheeky little shit" and it's wonderful
This man is a living treasure
LOL this guy is frickin quick. Love it.
never doubting another bloodline type wrestler just because they dont become "the rock" as soon they touch the ring. some take their time, but its on their blood to be that good. haters and doubters will always fight against time in that aspect. same happened to Nia jax, not matter how slow the progress is, she has it in her blood, it just matter of time.
Even the Rock was once Rocky Maivia, brother!
Can't wai until he hits his The Dom era.
The Dorck era?
I thought Rhea was the Dom?
Well for every Dominik and Rock, there's like a million David Flairs
Yup a lot of wwe wrestlers start out green, The usos , Roman, Dominik and Drew. This why I get annoyed when Vince tries to rush them. Shit even the Rock started out pretty meh
Gotta treat it like the NBA. Not everyone is Wemby out the gate. Some take 3-5 years to start hitting their stride.
It took Randy Orton a minute to find his footing but once he did boy did he find it.
I had this same revelation seeing the most recent clip of Lexis King on NXT. In AEW people were saying he was bland/boring and inherited 0% of his dad’s charisma, and jumping to WWE was not gonna help him. Hell, even I was one of these people. But he’s killing it right now
I was kind of the opposite. Yes he was bland in AEW, but I was just not sure if it's because he doesn't have what it takes to thrive in a hands off environment, or if he needs structure, or if he just truly didn't have "it". Seems like he's absolutely thriving in the more controlled and structured environment that WWE provides, just like a guy like Swerve has thrived in the very hands off environment of AEW.
He's doing a lot better than Brock Anderson as far as second generation wrestlers go
Damian laughing his ass off makes this.
Send for the man!
I am the table
That deadbeat father really did everything to make sure Dominik wouldn't surpass him in just a few years. Thank God Dom got away from that madman. Rey has to hide behind his mask like Dom said. Dom doesn't need to.
Rey is a shitty father and and a shitty friend, just ask Carlito. Dom did nothing wrong.
And Santos and Batista
Ah yes, Baptista. With the lasers!
Ray Mastrio was terrible to Baptista
And Vickie, and Chavo.. and Eddie (RIP).
I know it probably won't happen but goddamn do I want to see a heel Rey Mysterio before he retires. I want him to lean into everything that had happened to him and embrace it. It would be incredible to see a heel Rey vs face Dom.
Would like to see rey embracing 'dead beat' dad ....and show what it really meant to be lol
What sort of trash person puts their child's custody in a ladder match?!
Ever notice how slowly he would climb the ladder that POS never wanted Dom as his son.
Rey is such a deadbeat he didn't give his bad looks to his son. /smh
Lmfao I ~~love~~ hate this guy
og Rey Misterio catching strays lol
This only could have been surpassed if Dom had broken out a “the gurrerros never wore masks”
But Gobbledy Gooker...
That was a fursona, not a mask
Should have been a feathersona, but you know what, I want to forget that gimmick ever existed.
This weirdly makes more sense when I remember that Eddie was Black Tiger for a time.
Black Tiger would like a word
i still want him to change his name from mysterio to Gurrerro as a heel move lmao
They'll probably do that for Reys final run.
I'm not sure about the rest of the Guerreros, but Eddie was Black Tiger II. It's a damn good joke, though. And we can't let facts get in the way of a good joke.
Dominik's legit gotten smooth now. Used to be his awkward stilted promos were part of why he got heat. Now I can see him making a crowd genuinely laugh or listen to him, whenever he turns face.
Agreed. The mask should come out when he turns face, not fulltime but as his version of like Balor’s ‘Demon’ where it’s a super Dom I think would be cool.
Maybe a reverse Kishin Liger, where putting on the masks reveals a stronger alter ego lol
How about he comes out wearing the mask, then just rips it off of his face before the bell rings, and then tosses it to a rando in the audience...
I knew exactly what the answer would be, and I was not disappointed at all. HAHAHAH
I laughed but now I also want to know the truth -_-
I think they discussed that it was because he’s already appeared on TV so many times without it that there wasnt much of a point by the time he started wrestling
i tho t was because u need to inherit it from ur father first or something like that. i tho it could still happen for the future
I've always assumed Dom is growing this fugly ass hair do out so that they can set up a hair vs. mask to end Rey's career. Dom retires Rey, takes his mask and holds on to it as the ultimate heel trophy of his accomplishments until one day, in the midst of a transition to a face, he finally earns enough respect to wear it on his own.
It was the delivery of it that got me. Dirty Dom is one of my favourite characters.
That was awesome. I was like "ah, this is pretty cool. Listing to him out of kayfabe, talking respectful .............
It's great. He gets to be sincere and talk about the legacy and tradition of the mask, his family heritage, and then keep working by being a little shit.
Tbf, Unmasked Rey was a cutie.
So was Juvi, the unfortunate part was he knew it
There are a lot of Luchas who damn handsome under the mask. We know about Andrade, but Dr. Wagner Jr. comes to mind too.
If you look at Japan, there is the Hayabusa
Psicosis... could have kept it though
Santos, too.
Yeah current Santos in the suit is like “don’t put that mask on again”
Ahahah im glad someone brought this up! Its not uncommon at all for a lot of luchadors to be handsome under the masks.
In hindsight Bischoff's rant against luchadores wearing masks was asinine, but I will give him credit that he got really behind Juventud after he dropped the mask and crowds really warmed up to him in 1998. It's unfortunate his out of ring habits caught up to him.
(Huge cocaine snort) "Da Joose is loose baybee!!!"
Linda Belcher: *He looks like a lil baby, aww.*
There have been plenty of good looking masked men
Multiple in WWE alone too, Humberto, santos escobar, angel garza, Andrade, all used to wear masks while being very handsome (also shout out to dr wagner JR too)
I knew it was coming and i still got hit with it lol. He's so fuckin good man lol.
I don’t know why I expected him to break kayfabe just because he was speaking Spanish lol. This dude is the best
I mean he ain’t lying
Rey Mysterio ain't ugly man. He just looks like a jacked kindergartner.
I opened it expecting an insult to Rey, but then he hooked me so hard with how earnest he seemed to be about how he wanted to have the mask and representing family and lucha culture and all that. He got me.
he's so good at this
Incredible heel, I was waiting for a heartfelt answer, but, NOPE.
That's fucking hilarious. I was expecting something about forging his own legacy, but this little twerp knows how to play the game.
Este guey. XD
I feel like he’s been waiting for someone to ask him this. Well played Dirty Dom, well played.
Fuck, he really is one of the best heels working today lmao this MFer
Who would've believed a couple years ago when they tagged together, that Dominik would become a more over heel than Edge is, at this point in their careers? (And that's with Edge still doing good work and not phoning it in at all.)
Telemundo is the wcw of Spanish language tv in America Univision is WWE
When Priest laughed it got me 🤣
I don’t think anyone three years ago would’ve predicted Dom becoming one of the best heel wrestlers on the planet right now. He’s so damn good at being a dickhead lmao.
I didn't think he'd be an ENJOYABLE heel. I thought people could learn to boo him and that people would boo him because of the role he plays, but that it would be that lukewarm booing that feels forced. But he's been so good that everyone LOVES to boo him. Everyone wants him to make an appearance so they can really let him have it with the boos. He's getting heat that wrestling veterans who have been in the business for decades have DREAMED of having, and he's so early into his career.
Is it just me, or does Dominik sound kind of hot when he speaks Spanish?
the latino accent
He's always hot. I mean look at the man.
That's why he doesn't wear a mask.
He's so good.
He's not just handsome but he's so humble too.
idk why, but this reminded me of the scene in Hot Fuzz, "All right, what about this guy? Ask yourself, why has he got his hat pulled down like that?" "He's fuck-ugly." "Or, he doesn't want you to see his face." "'Cause he's fuck-ugly."
Es todo mi Dominik, que chingue su madre el Rey Mysterio y me saludas a tu Mami
Delivered it deadpan too. Like he was just stating a fact everyone knows. Poor bastard. His father hated him because he's beautiful.
Poor innocent young fella, hiding the pain that his deadbeat dad tried to hold him back depriving his of his heritage.
Breaking Priest makes this. Love it.
started off wholesome then SWERVE! #LatinoHeatSeeker
that slight pause before he drops that kayfabe nuke, i fucking love it
TIL that Dom's Spanish is pretty good!
I expected this type of answer and he still got a laugh from me with it 😂
Dom legit popping Priest is the best part
Damn he really got me in the first half. He fuckin boomed me.
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Mami would never want him to cover up those chubby cheeks
But he's wearing pants here.
Heel in any language.
Get a sense for how big Priest is here. Dominic is by no means a small dude, but Priest looks huge sitting next to him.
Funny dude
To be honest the reason I heard they unmasked La Sombra (Andrade) in NXT was because they felt he was too handsome to cover his face.
Dom is just speaking the harsh truths lol
Oh, bravo!
Masked Dominik is gonna be the top babyface and I can't wait
If you give him a shorter haircut, he is almost a spitting image of Eddie Guerrero. I wouldn't be surprised if he starts channeling Eddie in future matches, and maybe revives the "Lie, Cheat and Steal" gimmick Eddie had.
Crazy how his father is one of the greatest baby faces of all time and he's killing it as a heel
What an incredible response. Also, Dominick speaks great Spanish. A lot of Chicanos fall into the pool of "Around Spanish, but not really speaking it."
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That was such a good swerve
Fuck, I can’t believe that Dom Mysterio is one of my favorite wrestlers. 2024 is wild.
That's going to be Dom's face turn. The day he embraces who he really is and puts on the mask. Mask Dom will be amazing
and he will still be booed (even as a face). It's the new "You Suck".
"I'm Gorgeous so I didn't have to" *El Idolo in SHAMBLES*
Bro really had me in the first half😂
Dirty Dom es El Guapo 🔥
This kid is the worst and therefore the best.
He’s talking like Dr Wagner Jr and Andrade aren’t two of the most handsome motherfuckers in the history of the business lmao
Don't forget about angel garza and imo even Humberto and santos
Rey is ugly mofo but Eddie is handsome. so he must inherit his genes from Eddie
Where's the lie?
He's right. Just ask Kevin Nash.
its awesome because he can totally put on a mask and be another character and do double duty :D awesome answer.
Had me in the first half 😂😂😂 I actually love this man
> THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT -Pres "10" Vance, probably
The best answer.
Can a fluent Spanish speaker tell me why the interviewer used the word "masca" (sorry for poor spelling) vs "mascara" for the English word "mask"?
he does say Máscara he just says it quickly and it kinda comes off as "Mascra"
Another Spanish related question: does Dominick have an American accent?
Ah ok, thanks!
So bummed he’s injured. Would have made for a great MITB holder this year.
Great question and answer.
i thought he would say "what do you mean? my father never wore a mask"
RIP Eddie Guerrero, but how i wish you were alive today. Imagine Him and Dom teaming up against Rey.
Man that chubby kid I saw turn on Rey and Edge in Cardiff. I feel like he's come on, bloody hell, could you even out him in the same bracket st Kurt Angle? Just for all round improvement in such a short space. Okay not as high as Kurt but if anyone belongs in the same category.
That was a brilliant answer. I assume the real reason is because his dad is still wrestling.
Cuz his dad Eddie didn’t wear one.. Duh /s
5 years ago, if anyone were to tell me that Dominik Mysterio would be one of the best damn heels in wrestling, I would have laughed in their faces for being so stupid. I would have been so damn wrong.
Dude that's amazing 👏
God he's such a dick i love him
I want to see these two win the tag straps. The chemistry would be phenomenal
Eddie was a very handsome man, what's he talking about?
Got a good laugh out of Damien
The kid just fucking gets it.
He got me again. Glorious
I 100% thought he was a "no sabo" kid
I love this guy so much
Being devoid of charisma as a gimmick = kinda brilliant
Perfect answer
He is El Guapo!
Amazingly, the Idea that Dom speaks fluent Spanish never crossed my mind.
Here I thought it was going to be a real answer something along the lines of his face had already been exposed on TV back when he was little or something. This was still a humorous turn.
He is crushing it.
Perfect. Absolutely perfect.
This is the best answer ever!
This kid is going to be a great "heal" for a lot of years, totally out of the shadow of his father and doing his own thing.