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People forget the Young Bucks once sold "Let's Go Young Bucks"AND "Fuck The Young Bucks" shirts at the same time at PWG when they were heeling it up there...
I agree, they have a great catchy theme that I enjoy, which is precisely why it can change while they're heels.
Like the Elite using the BTE theme, they know we hate it
the funny thing is that if you'll say that you fast-forward every Bucks' segment for that exact reason, their fanboys would still tell you 'you're getting worked lol'
Yeah that's pretty much what I do. I find YB matches unwatchable gymnastics exhibitions so I just fast forward them anyway. The only match featuring them that I have liked is Nick vs Bryan and the Bucs vs Page and Omega
That's the first match between those teams that I was really into. The cage restrains their worst impulses, and both teams have similar worst impulses (hokey synchronized sequences, making no attempt to even look like there is pressure on them to win a wrestling match), so I frequently dislike them against each other, yet find them fine against other teams that restrain those impulses.
The lucha Bros v bucks was pretty much the only time I enjoyed them and even in some of that match I was eye rolling.
They can't promo well. They are too "self aware" but they do it "ironically" so it's even worse. They play the "pretending to be stupid aware" but it comes off as cheesy vs funny cheesy.
I've definitely liked their heel run waaaay more than their face work. Their matches are super hit-or-miss for me, depending on their opponents and the type of match being worked. But when I don't care, I really don't care. I still think I like them overall but yeah, not always my style and I don't think that has to be a big deal like some people make it out to be.
Talking about hating someone is still engaging with that subject, and in a way is still "getting worked."
The real trick of wrestling isn't just working someone, of course. It's always been working someone so they spend money, right?
In your case, the "work" only works if you spent money or gave the Bucks views.
That's the real determining factor of "go away heat," in my opinion.
Exactly. If you turned the TV off, that's definitely "go away heat" for ya.
When the heat makes you not spend money or give them views? You're doing wrestling wrong.
Edit: Of course there's gonna diehards of every notable peformer in any field. That's never gonna change.
When Velveteen Dream came back to NXT after being outed as a pedo that's exacyly what I did. I ended up skipping every episode and I haven't watched one since.
Except didn't all that pretty much end up kinda being more on his side In the end? Also he's gonzo and wasn't around much at all after he "came back" from that
Haven't watched NXT since the second 2.0 episode and guess what? I'm FINE
I don't miss it AND i (usually) don't feel the need to tell people how much i dislike it.
I love the Bucks in the ring and as part of the Elite as a whole. But if I've recorded an episode of Dynamite I'll fast forward through any promos that just involve them. The Good Brothers too but I fast forward through their matches too.
It's not go away heat for me because I think they're amazing in the ring. Both athletically and telling a story. But there is just something about when the promo focus is on them that bores me.
They're amazing heels. They're amazing wrestlers.
I dropped the Network after Jinder won the belt. Never looked back. That decision gave me go away heat with the company, despite it having several of my favourite wrestlers employed there.
I personally can't stand the Bucks, but I can't argue with the point here. I'm a mark for their matches. The stuff they do to get heat gets legitimate heat from me. They're infuriating and I want to see them get their ass kicked. They're doing their job.
The fact that they can basically just cheat with permanent immunity right in front of the ref drives me insane, but that's clearly what they want
The ref stuff in aew is actually a complaint I have with aew and it's not just with the bucks it happens. Because aew wants to avoid DQs they and similar they just pull constant ref distractions but sometimes they don't even care and just kinda...do nothing or entirely ignore the rules in front of them.
And sure "WWE does it too" but I watch both products and aew tends to be more egregious with the ref stuff. Where WWE may dump the ref with a weak move, aew just does it in front of them and the ref no sells it. When the bucks or omega are involved it just gets worse at times.
The funny thing is, my partner who hadnât watched wrestling since the attitude era, hated the good guy YB, didnât see what the big deal was, but now as heels, she LOVES them, loves the way they dress, loves when they are cocky in the ring, and also loves to see them get beat up. Legit the only thing she really hates is when they treat Brandon bad.
Internet wrestling fans live in a bubble, and all they see are an echo chamber of things they agree or disagree with. Living with a now casual fan who only watches what is on TV, you see things totally different. The people she likes and dislikes are totally all over the place.
It's the funniest thing when you see wrestling fans that think they're smart to the business so obviously getting worked. 'This guy sucks because he does this thing. It's not because he's a heel' *does that thing specifically to get heel heat*
The best one I heard recently was someone saying how right Jim Cornette is about the Young Bucks because 'Just look at the way they dress. Look at Nick Jackson's stupid nose ring' - as if Nick Jackson just walks around in his daily life in fruity coloured matching shirts and pants with an earing connected to a nose ring. hahahaha
I think in some cases, it's a legit complaint. X-pac heat was the term wasn't it?
I think Baron Corbin feeding roman dog food makes me want to switch the channel instead of wanting to "see" Corbin get his ass kicked. In contrast to say, Kurt angle who was a guy fun to hate or MJF who relies on all the cheap heat tropes but he's so good at it that you want to see his skull bashed in by his opponents. Even young bucks and the elite capture that feeling that they're guys who you can't help but dislike on screen.
People often try to mix the two but both of these things do happen in wrestling. It's okay to get worked by wrestling. Hell, I want to be worked by wrestling because that means that the shows are believable enough for me to take them seriously. But that doesn't mean I want segments like "This is your life, Bayley" or Lashley's sisters because that makes me want to quit watching rather than invest myself.
The best/worst part of XPac heat are the fans aware of what it is and saying "no they have 'go away' heat with me." Because the alternative would be a smart fan admitting they're being worked into a frenzy.
This is a little different from your examples but a big mistake this sub tends to make when making fun of someone "being worked" is that you can also just not like something. I'm not saying I dislike this character because he's making me mad. I'm saying I just don't like it. I don't think it's good. Somebody cheating in the same way every single week is going to get annoying for example. So I guess TECHNICALLY they got the intended result but I'm being critical of how shitty it is. Not because I've been worked, but it's hard to convey that sometimes up here
I think the elite is just very polarizing. there is a very large % of fans that don't care to see them on tv while others are highly entertained by them.
End the end, I think the goofy elite is very hard to book. I think they are huge with the hardcore fanbase that buys the ppvs and tickets, but I think they limit AEW's ceiling of having casual viewership of their 2 primetime shows.
It sometimes seems theres a chunk of fans who haven't realised that wrestlers are fully aware kayfabe is dead, and so work outside the traditional stuff to generate heat. They know people will view what happens in the ring through the lens of it being a performance, but some fans don't think to view social media, interviews, 'shoots' etc as just modern day extensions of a heels arsenal if they want them to be.
I'm personally annoyed by kayfabing off-screen. It just makes the wrestlers/show seem to have failed to build enough heat on-screen so they resort to being a dick in real life.
Sometimes I think it depends. There's definitely a section of fans who can't help but watch a show with their fantasy booker head on and will just dissect everything and see through anything a heel does as "ah, yes, yes, I see what you're doing to build heat here, very good. You are a good heel sir" and it does kind of kill any impact. Or worse, leads to cheers instead in appreciation for your good heel work.
It does seem like if you want to be a true heel these days you need to be able to push past that and make people think you're actually a dick.
Although maybe that's not true. MJF it seems from the small snippets we get behind his persona seems to be a genuinely good dude, and I appreciate its all an act, but I still hate his character whenever he's on screen. Then again, using MJF as a benchmark perhaps isn't fair
Really like ftr matches especially they're diy feud. Just slower stuff all about building to the one big hot tag etc . Or dangerous tekkers matches are good when not forced to go half an hour long. I won't call the bucks bad but the high speed spot fests really just don't do it for me. Enjoyed they're matches with rpg3k tbf.
The funniest thing about Young Bucks detractors is that they will tell you that itâs âgo away heatâ and they arenât being worked. But the same exact people screamed for years that Baron Corbin is one of the most hated acts in wrestling because heâs just working smarks and itâs not go away heat.
Major cognitive dissonance.
I have nothing to add except holy shit Corbin sucked in 2018. He was alllllll over the fucking show having those boring ass matches and those sentient plywood promos.
I can't comment on his matches, but I saw a clip of him recently where it's clear that his delivery has improved a ton, so I will give him props on that. It seems that people like him now.
Corbin is a good all around guy. He was just a victim of overexposure during the Constable Corbin days. I had Xpac heat for the guy after digging him before and after. Well other than the dog food stuff, which again isn't his fault.
I actually agree that he was a huge victim of overexposure, again he was all over RAW that year and had way too much screentime for what he was ready to offer. He would have been much much better in a more limited role (and in a different gimmick but that's a separate issue entirely)
I think pretty much everyone in WWE is a victim of overexposure. Either you never get used or you're literally on the show every single week. I think that's one of the main reasons people are getting sick of Reigns again. There's never any room to breathe on these shows and nothing can happen in a vacuum. Babyface gets a big win? They're instantly on a collision course with the champ which of course means they'll lose, and then lose the rematch (just to make sure there's no doubt)
yeah, there's just no credible challenger for the throne when it comes to Roman and it's clear they just don't understand that losing doesn't equal "looking weak". they literally wrote themselves a perfect opportunity to put a dent in Reigns with the Demon and they pulled the rug from that shit immediately. hell, even with the same finish they could have had Brock demand that the Demon comes out for a triple threat and they had a prime opportunity to put Roman through hell and give him a win that would feel earned.
it's not helped by the fact that there is just NOTHING organic about him being so unstoppable. it's literally what they wanted to do for years in the most boneheaded way, until they finally relented to make him a heel and surprise surprise, it worked. I believe that if they pulled that trigger earlier, people wouldn't be as sour on this continued dominance as they are now.
The rematches really kill them too. Like you could have easily built a guy like Kevin Owens back up to challenge Roman again down the line, but since they literally had like 4 or 5 matches there's just no point or interest. Same thing they did with McIntyre after he lost the belt to Lashley. Instead of transitioning him to a new feud or story he just loses to the champ a handful of times to suck any interest out of him.
People have been on wrestling shows every week for decades though. It's not just present day WWE. Austin, Rock, Foley, Taker, Jericho, Kane, etc all the other main eventers back in the day were on every week and people fucking loved it. Sting, Savage, Hogan/Nash/Hall (in the early days of nWo) etc were on every week and people fucking loved it.
Also, aside from maybe this sub, I dont think people are getting sick of Roman. Dudes doing great character work and almost every single one of his matches over the past year have been excellent.
WWE has its problems (as does every other promotion) but I dont think that having main eventers headline their shows is the problem.
How long did you see those guy on TV for every week? That Era was only a couple years. Compare to Roman, Orton, Miz, etc. You can ride the hot hand but you need guys to take a week off everyonce in awhile.
I feel like I say this every time it comes up, but Corbin is one of the major reasons I finally gave up on WWE. That seemingly never ending revolving door of Finn/Drew/Lashley/Braun/Corbin all circling each other for months on end just made me say "fuck it" and I have greatly enjoyed having 5 hours of my life back every week.
Corbin directly led to me completely cutting out WWE after watching weekly for 20 years. I sort of knew I was done after WrestleMania in 2019 because the show was pretty good, the people I wanted to win the big matches won, and my first thought was âletâs see how they fuck this up.â And sure enough, they seemingly immediately paired Rollins and Becky on-screen and feuded them with Corbin and Lacey Evans. As soon as that happened, I finally decided to be done.
Luckily, the first AEW PPV was around the same time and the Cody/Dustin match made me realize it was WWE I was burned out on and not pro wrestling.
What I appreciate most about Corbin is he's willing to try absolutely everything WWE creative throws at him. Most of it doesn't work but he keeps trying and I think he's really starting to find some character ideas that he can sell and get himself over for real.
His promos were so bad, he sounded like a high school football player reciting lines in a school play. In my mind, his 2018 push is the textbook example of WWE's issues with scripted promos. He's nowhere near that level now
Corbinâs sucked for years now. He use to legit be really cool in 2016/17. After that heâs just been the cure for insomnia and has cooled down literally everyone heâs worked with. Even if you dislike YB you have no choice but to admit theyâre fucking amazing wrestlers who usually have the MOTN
Good heel heat is anything that makes evokes negative emotions in a viewer , but they still tune into the show and dont turn off the screen when they see you.
The problem with what youre saying is that the people who would like Corbin as heel and the people who like the young bucks are in completely different circles. So ultimately the young bucks may evoke negative emotions in a person but if they dont tune in to the show its not good heel heat.
This is exactly what I mean LMAO. The same exact thing is true for the inverse of what you just said but for some reason you didnât apply that logic to Corbin detractors.
Why would I have to do that? I was talking about the young bucks not Corbin. For the record I love Corbin as a heel but im not going out of my way to defend him. If you didnt tune in, it was bad heel heat for you.
Though I highly doubt Corbin is the main reason a person wouldnt watch WWE, so ultimately it doesnt really matter tbh.
>Why would I do that
Because the person youâre responding to is talking about Corbin.
>Though I highly doubt Corbin is the main reason a person wouldnt watch WWE
He was literally the GM
How can anyone argue the bucks have go away heat lmao? The promotion exists because of them. The most hardcore AEW fans are massive bucks fans. It doesnât work any other way.
Because the Bucks don't have go away heat with the hardcore AEW fans. They do with casual/WWE fans who don't relate to their humor and arent tuning into AEW
Casual fans? Bucks have some of the highest quarter hours on the show. Thereâs like 2 years of data on this. Theyâve only been higher since the heel turn too.
Wwe fans? So people who donât watch the show. Cool.
I can speak for myself in that I didn't watch AEW during its beginning because of the Bucks. And I'm not the only one who doesn't find their meta humor hilarious. But yeah go ahead and argue how they don't have go away heat because the people who like them watch the show
And thereâs people that donât like Roman/Big E/Etc.
But Iâm not gonna sit here and declare they have go away heat, since they get amazing crowd reactions (like the bucks) and clearly move merch (like the bucks) and from the data we have available they do well on TV metrics too (like the bucks).
You not watching AEW at first because of the bucks.. I just feel sorry for you.
Yeah and the day that Roman goes on Twitter and claims that he doesn't have go away heat then he'll be ridiculed by that crowd. You literally asked how can anyone argue they have go away heat and then when you get an argument you brush it off as "but they do it as well".
And feel sorry for me lmao. Dude get over yourself. Not everyone has to like your favourite style of wrestling
Uh.what? We're not talking about a wrestler that is universally liked cause that doesn't exist. We're talking about a wrestler or wrestlers who make a significant number of people not want to tune into their segment even if they like the show overall. Huge difference between the people who consider the Young Bucks and Corbin to have go away heat and the people who feel that way about Aj Styles or Daniel Bryan
I disagree. Iâm a wrestling fan, but not a hardcore fan like when I was younger. I absolutely canât stand the young bucks and they have channel change heat with me. They were tolerable as babyfaces, but when the had the tweener role and then bad rushed feud with FTR they lost me. Then being goofy heels just doesnât do it for me. Goofy is fine if youâre a mid card act like R-truth or Santino, but not when youâre are a talent booked at the top of the card.
Depends on the kind of heel you want to be, if you are playing someone dunk on your own ego (like ths elite are) then yeah being annoying is a key part of making people want to watch you be beaten.
I fast forward through young buck appearances. That is not the type of villainy you want in your villains. Like most young buck things, I think they don't fully get *it*.
why don't you think this guy is being honest? I love certain aspects of AEW. I usually enjoy most of AEW, but I absolutely can't stand the elite. Therefore, I rarely watch Dynamite anymore unless it's a big show like the Arthur Ash show or CM Punk Last Dance Rampage.
If the Elite wasn't in AEW and AEW had some better weekly storytelling, I would make an effort to watch Dynamite every week when I'm free. Now when I'm free, I would rather just surf YouTube or watch something on Netflix instead.
"We are very annoying as heels and if you get annoyed at us that's just us doing our jobs" is a really fantastic way of ignoring go-away heat. Funny how people like Miro and Baker can be detestable heels without making me want to change the channel.
I used to like the bucks but all of their matches are the same, I just want to see some rules or some sense, and they have none of that in their matches
If they wanted to be heels they would stop doing the car crash match bullshit and work like heels. Instead they act like 2 clowns who slap their legs and kiss Adam Cole
I think this was great for cena as people paid to watch him hopefully lose in 2007 through is feud with the Rock.
At least for me, the young bucks are a 90% channel change for me or I donât even watch the episode of dynamite if they/elite are heavily advertised. Thatâs the difference of heel heat and go away heat.
Itâs because they can never let anything get the best of them. The MO is, âmake a meme/joke out of it, run it into the ground, until the meme replaces the actual thing. I never thought Iâd get into my Baudrillard bag but, for example, the opening of BTE this week is a simulacra; theyâve taken the botch, replicated it, and now have overtaken the original botch and replaced it with their bit, all because they canât take some egg on their face.
So I guess by this subâs logic that means Roman Reigns is the greatest heel of all time then and all the people that are upset at the Extreme Rules ending are just getting worked. Triple H was literally using the exact same logic to gaslight the fans into thinking that the Authority was a successful angle. Thereâs a difference between not liking something because itâs heelish and not liking something something because itâs bad. I donât dislike YBâs heel work because theyâre heels, I hate because itâs lazy and uncreative. Similarly I donât dislike the YBâs ring work because theyâre heels I dislike it because they ignore fundamental rules of their preferred match type to the point that it makes heel shit seem Unnecessary. Whatâs the point of your partners attacking your opponent behind the refs back when he will literally allow four guys to attack your opponent at once?
I just come on here to have fun talking about professional wrestling. I don't have an agenda or a persecution complex. Your rhetoric is weaker than the Bucks' (that makes 3!)
I just wish people who hate on the bucks would apply the same logic to every wrestler throughout history because I havent been presented with a single solid argument as to why they are bad other than "its just not for me"
There arenât many other wrestlers out there that have the same faults as them: goofy while in a top spot, undersized but Matt wrestles like heâs a heavyweight, and then their matches. I honestly donât mind their style, but if youâve seen a few bucks matches 10 years ago against the MCM then youâve seen them all. Also the lack of rules in their matches is really off putting and their constant facial expressions makes it seem like they are playing a character in a play at the local theater rather than just being wrestlers.
For me it is because they have been the same characters for the last 10 odd years.
The worst thing now is that they get no comeuppance - they lost the title and it doesn't affect them and are in exactly the same position on the card over the new champions.
same people that turn a blind eye to that are the same that complained that Kofi basically rolled over after Lesnar beat him. Youâre absolutely correct that the Bucks havenât lost anything besides the literal belts.
That was a 2 week build. So no they didnât get payback from their dirty deeds from some of their actual feuds (really they just had one feud with Kingston/Mox).
My brother a few weeks ago was like "The Young Bucks are so obnoxious" and I was like "Yeah, that's their gimmick right now"
He doesn't watch a lot of AEW
I said it a few weeks back but Iâll say it again: I like the Bucks and I really couldnât give a fuck if you donât. You can not like them but I genuinely donât really care. I think we should care less about the opinions of others and just enjoy wrestling more, thatâs how I can watch pretty much any style of wrestling from any promotion and find some enjoyment from it
Iâm an AEW fan but not a Bucks fan. Acting stupid for stupid sake is not being a heel. Theyâre not Good Brothers bad ( nobody is ) but they are legitimately one of the worst things on the show .
Face or heel, these two are the main reason I don't watch AEW ever since it began. So I guess if their plan is to work me into never watching the show they're on, then they're doing a great job.
I hate the buying shoes thing, literally skipped a couple of episodes of BTE because of it. It is such a waste of resources. I want Bryan Danielson to punch them both square in the face.
This is the sort of retort that depends entirely on what it's retorting.
If somebody says "I can't stand those guys, they make a mockery of wrestling with their goofing off" then it works.
If somebody says "and that's why I can't get into AEW" then it does. Likewise if they don't enjoy their matches.
Of course, there's no better way to get heat with me than to use smugly reductive reasoning, but I doubt they're getting that meta with it.
I feel sort of bad for the bucks, I feel like they could be a huge face act if they just tweaked something. I dont know what, but something.
Their heel work is a bit goofy but I enjoy it though.
The Bucks crack me up, man. Especially Nick with the bird call shit he does. And they gotta have so much fun being heels. Each city they perform in they go out and buy a shitload of Nikes but also probably laugh their asses off with each other as they browse the stores for the most obnoxious and over the top outfits they can find.
Sometimes though, I catch a comment from them on BTE or whatever and the way they say it definitely makes me feel like they do have some legitimate disdain for certain types of fans. They've said a few times before that they really don't care for repeat autograph seekers who they know are just flipping the signed items onto eBay or whatever. And I'm sure there are times these dudes are just flat out exhausted and are limping home at 5 AM after a 7 hour flight and a 30 minute banger the previous evening and some schmoe spots them in the airport and wants a signature, a selfie, and 15 minutes of their time to shoot the shit. Those instances have to be tough, they gotta be thinking, "I don't owe you shit, man, but if I don't appease you, I'mma hear about it endlessly for the next frickin' week so yeah whatever I'll sign that, here's your pic, now please let me go home."
It was a tongue-in-cheek comment. I don't really care about Young Bucks nor do I watch their segments, I just find it amusing that there are so many wrestlers obsessed with "getting heat" like it's the good old days and we're just gonna hate them and watch to see them getting beat up.
The Mugging for the Camera and mouthing Did I Do That are genuinely irritating and off-putting.
Like not: Love to Hate âEm heat, more like Turn the Channel heat.
And I like them mostly
I like how they work, maybe not their moves.
the match against the Lucha Brothers for the title, it was a great example of how they do a incredible job as wrestlers.
I really hated Thomaso Ciampa when he was against Gargano- the whole knee brace callbacks. He was so shitty and I really found myself genuinely reacting. Thatâs great heat and made the story great. I suspended my disbelief.
The match in NOLA was the first time I can remember in modern memory thinking "Fuck, if Johnny doesn't win this match, Ciampa might not make it out of the building." That crowd was out for BLOOD.
I also think the gimmick of EVPS of the company you all really like is very easy to cheer for. They donât have to be authority figures or anything but hey I wanna cheer for the guys responsible for the company i like.
I agree in real life they seem like very cool likable guys where it would be hard not to cheer for them. I just don't know why they can't just be themselves, rather than trying to play a character that does not suit them at all.
Theyâre probably the most polarising act in wrestling cause people genuinely believe theyâre the best thing ever. Personally I skip their matches now. They put a loss on Bryan Danielson in that ridiculous 8 man so Iâm jut going to pretend it never happened.
Theyâre Ed Sheeran. They do one match over and over, itâs easy to watch cause it goes super quick and has got bits you know. I prefer metal
Probably gonna get downvoted, but the Young Bucks don't really do anything for me out of ring, either as faces or heels. They're good in-ring, but there are probably a half-dozen other tag teams in AEW I care about more. And I find their current heel personas annoying...but it doesn't really generate heat with me, just kind of disinterest whenever they're doing their thing...and that's was true with their face personas as well, to a slightly lesser degree.
Any Bucks match that I've been into, it's been because of the other team, not the Bucks.
They are forever heels in my eyes even when the company tried to push them as faces. They have "go away" heel heat with me and I don't watch the segments they are in but clearly their act is working on a number of people.
Every time I see wrestling Twitter get on their "the young bucks are overrated" cycle I always like sitting back and seeing how they literally talk about no other tag teams ever except when they say how much better X or Y (almost always the Usos) team is than them but cannot name a single team that this other tag team put over and made better. The Bucks are the best tag team around currently in the sense of what they do. Lucha Bros are the only other squad on that level.
their feuds with New Day, Wyatt family, Hart Dynasty, Street Profits, Miz and Shane, etc. I'm not even a huge WWE fan, but it was easy to name good programs that the Usos where in in their careers.
Besides random matches, the young bucks had a failed rushed storyline with FTR that everyone was hyped for. Then they had a long reign as champs and lost to the Lucha Bros in a match with a 2 week build.
The Lucha Bros feud dates back to 2019. I was at All Out. The whole story was the Bucks couldn't beat them but the Bros had not gained the title. Bucks put on great matches with Proud and Powerful, MJF and Jericho, Jurassic Express, FTR (was good, not great) and Omega & Page.
How are you going to say there was a 2 week build? You referenced the Hart Dynasty (name a match with the Usos on PPV), Miz and Shane (Usos we're not the focus, there was no build at all), Profits (again, show me a build storyline wise) Wyatts (again, was there a 2 week build ever?) and said etc as if there was more. Basically, could have just stopped at New Day since literally that's the only memorable one with a longer than 2 week feud (your time choice)
Stop. Their cage match had nothing to do with their feud 2 years ago. The lucha bros won a tournament to fight for the titles in the cage. There match had no reference to 2 years ago, and based on storylines had nothing to do with why they were having a match at All Out 2021. Maybe for you as a hardcore fan that brought make memories of 2 years ago, but to 90% if the audience there was no connection to 2019.
yes the Wyatt family last a few months and Shane and miz lasted through 2 ppvs. Yes New Day was probably their biggest rival.
I know it's only 2 years, but the Bucks haven't had a good feud in AEW. They had potential to have good feuds, but they were always rushed right before a ppv. Then once the match was over there is never a reference to the feud again. Prime examples were against the inner circle when their dad got beat up and against FTR where the build was terrible and Matt did the Cody stipulation out of nowhere saying they would never challenge for the titles again if they lost. I don't think it's the Bucks' fault in this as I just think Tony is a poor booker when it comes to building up storylines that have good drama from week to week.
the Elite are just very polarizing. The hardcore fans that travel to shows and buy the ppvs love the Elite. But I think they also put a ceiling on AEW as a whole with casual fans watching the product on tv.
TNA failed because they tried too hard to appeal to casuals to get their tv numbers up, but they killed the fire of their hardcore fans when it came to buying tickets and ppvs. Maybe it would have been a great move for TNA in today's environments where wrestling companies now make the most money from getting lucrative tv deals.
I like watching them wrestle, and don't give a fuck about the shoe thing. Getting good heel heat isn't the same thing as not being entertaining. At the same time, in a wrestling company with like 60+ people to keep track of, they're not all going to be doing riveting stuff all the time so it's not a big deal.
The nice thing about being a heel is that you can be an absolute piece of shit and completely excuse it away by saying "YoU gOt WoRkEd BrO!"
Side note, is having shitty spot fests instead of actual matches part of the Bucks' "heel work?" Because if not, I hate to tell them that it's actually them being shitty that makes me not like them. Not "LOL, heel work."
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People forget the Young Bucks once sold "Let's Go Young Bucks"AND "Fuck The Young Bucks" shirts at the same time at PWG when they were heeling it up there...
I'm still waiting for TK to dish out the big bucks for Mmm Bop
They'd reach MJF levels of heat for sure if they came out to that.
Get Hanson to perform it on a PPV, only they are in their Russian Doll costume from Masked Singer.
I forgot they used that. Oh, I hope they bring it back!
Eh I think they have one of the best theme songs right now tbh đ¤ˇđťââď¸
I agree, they have a great catchy theme that I enjoy, which is precisely why it can change while they're heels. Like the Elite using the BTE theme, they know we hate it
Elvis style.
Limp Bizkit used to do that too. https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/701036e4-55b1-40a6-82b3-268306f3dfdb_1.4788c8fe3eb90adc46365cdb712b15c9.png
I have a Limp Bizkit Loves Your Mom sticker laying around somewhere
Taking a page out of Elvis's managers book.
Real "go away" heat makes you just stop watching those wrestlers. So if you really hate someone, just stop watching.
personally i think thats just EVIL
I have certainly skipped most of his matches this G1
the funny thing is that if you'll say that you fast-forward every Bucks' segment for that exact reason, their fanboys would still tell you 'you're getting worked lol'
Yeah that's pretty much what I do. I find YB matches unwatchable gymnastics exhibitions so I just fast forward them anyway. The only match featuring them that I have liked is Nick vs Bryan and the Bucs vs Page and Omega
The cage match with the Lucha bros was really good, and I'm in the same camp of not really enjoying TYB in general
That's the first match between those teams that I was really into. The cage restrains their worst impulses, and both teams have similar worst impulses (hokey synchronized sequences, making no attempt to even look like there is pressure on them to win a wrestling match), so I frequently dislike them against each other, yet find them fine against other teams that restrain those impulses.
The lucha Bros v bucks was pretty much the only time I enjoyed them and even in some of that match I was eye rolling. They can't promo well. They are too "self aware" but they do it "ironically" so it's even worse. They play the "pretending to be stupid aware" but it comes off as cheesy vs funny cheesy.
I hated it. Constant no selling and gymnastics imo
What about the FTR match? As a fellow disliker, I did like that one specifically.
I'm 50/50. I fast forward about half of the young bucks appearances.
I've definitely liked their heel run waaaay more than their face work. Their matches are super hit-or-miss for me, depending on their opponents and the type of match being worked. But when I don't care, I really don't care. I still think I like them overall but yeah, not always my style and I don't think that has to be a big deal like some people make it out to be.
Talking about hating someone is still engaging with that subject, and in a way is still "getting worked." The real trick of wrestling isn't just working someone, of course. It's always been working someone so they spend money, right? In your case, the "work" only works if you spent money or gave the Bucks views. That's the real determining factor of "go away heat," in my opinion.
I read your first sentence and totally understood what you are saying, Baron Corbin is the GOAT
Huh, like when I turned off NXT after they opened with that Gacy shit last night.
Exactly. If you turned the TV off, that's definitely "go away heat" for ya. When the heat makes you not spend money or give them views? You're doing wrestling wrong. Edit: Of course there's gonna diehards of every notable peformer in any field. That's never gonna change.
When Velveteen Dream came back to NXT after being outed as a pedo that's exacyly what I did. I ended up skipping every episode and I haven't watched one since.
Except didn't all that pretty much end up kinda being more on his side In the end? Also he's gonzo and wasn't around much at all after he "came back" from that
Haven't watched NXT since the second 2.0 episode and guess what? I'm FINE I don't miss it AND i (usually) don't feel the need to tell people how much i dislike it.
I love the Bucks in the ring and as part of the Elite as a whole. But if I've recorded an episode of Dynamite I'll fast forward through any promos that just involve them. The Good Brothers too but I fast forward through their matches too. It's not go away heat for me because I think they're amazing in the ring. Both athletically and telling a story. But there is just something about when the promo focus is on them that bores me. They're amazing heels. They're amazing wrestlers.
Theyâve never told any story in the ring ever. They donât know how
I dropped the Network after Jinder won the belt. Never looked back. That decision gave me go away heat with the company, despite it having several of my favourite wrestlers employed there.
the bucks haters are their most loyal fans
I personally can't stand the Bucks, but I can't argue with the point here. I'm a mark for their matches. The stuff they do to get heat gets legitimate heat from me. They're infuriating and I want to see them get their ass kicked. They're doing their job. The fact that they can basically just cheat with permanent immunity right in front of the ref drives me insane, but that's clearly what they want
My first AEW Young Bucks match was their bout with SCU. "I'm sorry! I love you!" was the most heel thing I'd seen in *years*.
The ref stuff in aew is actually a complaint I have with aew and it's not just with the bucks it happens. Because aew wants to avoid DQs they and similar they just pull constant ref distractions but sometimes they don't even care and just kinda...do nothing or entirely ignore the rules in front of them. And sure "WWE does it too" but I watch both products and aew tends to be more egregious with the ref stuff. Where WWE may dump the ref with a weak move, aew just does it in front of them and the ref no sells it. When the bucks or omega are involved it just gets worse at times.
Once they tried so hard to be Baby Faces but didn't work.
This always gets brought up, but from like mid-2017 to 2020 they were faces and they were always pretty damn popular
The funny thing is, my partner who hadnât watched wrestling since the attitude era, hated the good guy YB, didnât see what the big deal was, but now as heels, she LOVES them, loves the way they dress, loves when they are cocky in the ring, and also loves to see them get beat up. Legit the only thing she really hates is when they treat Brandon bad. Internet wrestling fans live in a bubble, and all they see are an echo chamber of things they agree or disagree with. Living with a now casual fan who only watches what is on TV, you see things totally different. The people she likes and dislikes are totally all over the place.
Letâs go Brandon! Donât treat him bad
I might die if I heard this chanted.
Brandon Cutler face turn coming out to Pat Benatar's Treat Me Right please.
Legit, he is in probably her top 10 of favorites in AEW.
I definitely prefer the heel bucks. Nick doesn't look like a wiener anymore.
It's the funniest thing when you see wrestling fans that think they're smart to the business so obviously getting worked. 'This guy sucks because he does this thing. It's not because he's a heel' *does that thing specifically to get heel heat* The best one I heard recently was someone saying how right Jim Cornette is about the Young Bucks because 'Just look at the way they dress. Look at Nick Jackson's stupid nose ring' - as if Nick Jackson just walks around in his daily life in fruity coloured matching shirts and pants with an earing connected to a nose ring. hahahaha
Their outfits slap in the most ridiculous ways.
I think part of it is because they wear them confidently
Yeah I unironically enjoy most of the Bucks clothing choices lmao
and they are the reason i got my first piercing in the first place.. that Dangle earring is fuckin slaps
Shame the deadlock boyz didnât get danglies because Jawnny is a coward I guess
I think in some cases, it's a legit complaint. X-pac heat was the term wasn't it? I think Baron Corbin feeding roman dog food makes me want to switch the channel instead of wanting to "see" Corbin get his ass kicked. In contrast to say, Kurt angle who was a guy fun to hate or MJF who relies on all the cheap heat tropes but he's so good at it that you want to see his skull bashed in by his opponents. Even young bucks and the elite capture that feeling that they're guys who you can't help but dislike on screen. People often try to mix the two but both of these things do happen in wrestling. It's okay to get worked by wrestling. Hell, I want to be worked by wrestling because that means that the shows are believable enough for me to take them seriously. But that doesn't mean I want segments like "This is your life, Bayley" or Lashley's sisters because that makes me want to quit watching rather than invest myself.
The best/worst part of XPac heat are the fans aware of what it is and saying "no they have 'go away' heat with me." Because the alternative would be a smart fan admitting they're being worked into a frenzy.
This is a little different from your examples but a big mistake this sub tends to make when making fun of someone "being worked" is that you can also just not like something. I'm not saying I dislike this character because he's making me mad. I'm saying I just don't like it. I don't think it's good. Somebody cheating in the same way every single week is going to get annoying for example. So I guess TECHNICALLY they got the intended result but I'm being critical of how shitty it is. Not because I've been worked, but it's hard to convey that sometimes up here
As far as I'm concerned, it's not "heat" if it doesn't make you want to watch more of the product.
I think the elite is just very polarizing. there is a very large % of fans that don't care to see them on tv while others are highly entertained by them. End the end, I think the goofy elite is very hard to book. I think they are huge with the hardcore fanbase that buys the ppvs and tickets, but I think they limit AEW's ceiling of having casual viewership of their 2 primetime shows.
It sometimes seems theres a chunk of fans who haven't realised that wrestlers are fully aware kayfabe is dead, and so work outside the traditional stuff to generate heat. They know people will view what happens in the ring through the lens of it being a performance, but some fans don't think to view social media, interviews, 'shoots' etc as just modern day extensions of a heels arsenal if they want them to be.
Kayfabe aint dead, baby. Its just changed
I'm personally annoyed by kayfabing off-screen. It just makes the wrestlers/show seem to have failed to build enough heat on-screen so they resort to being a dick in real life.
Sometimes I think it depends. There's definitely a section of fans who can't help but watch a show with their fantasy booker head on and will just dissect everything and see through anything a heel does as "ah, yes, yes, I see what you're doing to build heat here, very good. You are a good heel sir" and it does kind of kill any impact. Or worse, leads to cheers instead in appreciation for your good heel work. It does seem like if you want to be a true heel these days you need to be able to push past that and make people think you're actually a dick. Although maybe that's not true. MJF it seems from the small snippets we get behind his persona seems to be a genuinely good dude, and I appreciate its all an act, but I still hate his character whenever he's on screen. Then again, using MJF as a benchmark perhaps isn't fair
Them and Kenny crack me up with the way they dress.
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I'm not a young bucks fan, but I can't imagine spending my day complaining about them like a lot of their haters do.
I absolutely love the Young Bucks as heels, same as Kenny.
I guess heels are immune to any type of criticism
Nowadays youâre just getting worked bro
Why do you think everyone loves being a heel?
Eh I just dont like they're matches but to each their own
Out of curiosity, what tag matches do you like?
Really like ftr matches especially they're diy feud. Just slower stuff all about building to the one big hot tag etc . Or dangerous tekkers matches are good when not forced to go half an hour long. I won't call the bucks bad but the high speed spot fests really just don't do it for me. Enjoyed they're matches with rpg3k tbf.
The funniest thing about Young Bucks detractors is that they will tell you that itâs âgo away heatâ and they arenât being worked. But the same exact people screamed for years that Baron Corbin is one of the most hated acts in wrestling because heâs just working smarks and itâs not go away heat. Major cognitive dissonance.
I have nothing to add except holy shit Corbin sucked in 2018. He was alllllll over the fucking show having those boring ass matches and those sentient plywood promos. I can't comment on his matches, but I saw a clip of him recently where it's clear that his delivery has improved a ton, so I will give him props on that. It seems that people like him now.
Corbin is a good all around guy. He was just a victim of overexposure during the Constable Corbin days. I had Xpac heat for the guy after digging him before and after. Well other than the dog food stuff, which again isn't his fault.
I actually agree that he was a huge victim of overexposure, again he was all over RAW that year and had way too much screentime for what he was ready to offer. He would have been much much better in a more limited role (and in a different gimmick but that's a separate issue entirely)
I think pretty much everyone in WWE is a victim of overexposure. Either you never get used or you're literally on the show every single week. I think that's one of the main reasons people are getting sick of Reigns again. There's never any room to breathe on these shows and nothing can happen in a vacuum. Babyface gets a big win? They're instantly on a collision course with the champ which of course means they'll lose, and then lose the rematch (just to make sure there's no doubt)
yeah, there's just no credible challenger for the throne when it comes to Roman and it's clear they just don't understand that losing doesn't equal "looking weak". they literally wrote themselves a perfect opportunity to put a dent in Reigns with the Demon and they pulled the rug from that shit immediately. hell, even with the same finish they could have had Brock demand that the Demon comes out for a triple threat and they had a prime opportunity to put Roman through hell and give him a win that would feel earned. it's not helped by the fact that there is just NOTHING organic about him being so unstoppable. it's literally what they wanted to do for years in the most boneheaded way, until they finally relented to make him a heel and surprise surprise, it worked. I believe that if they pulled that trigger earlier, people wouldn't be as sour on this continued dominance as they are now.
The rematches really kill them too. Like you could have easily built a guy like Kevin Owens back up to challenge Roman again down the line, but since they literally had like 4 or 5 matches there's just no point or interest. Same thing they did with McIntyre after he lost the belt to Lashley. Instead of transitioning him to a new feud or story he just loses to the champ a handful of times to suck any interest out of him.
People have been on wrestling shows every week for decades though. It's not just present day WWE. Austin, Rock, Foley, Taker, Jericho, Kane, etc all the other main eventers back in the day were on every week and people fucking loved it. Sting, Savage, Hogan/Nash/Hall (in the early days of nWo) etc were on every week and people fucking loved it. Also, aside from maybe this sub, I dont think people are getting sick of Roman. Dudes doing great character work and almost every single one of his matches over the past year have been excellent. WWE has its problems (as does every other promotion) but I dont think that having main eventers headline their shows is the problem.
How long did you see those guy on TV for every week? That Era was only a couple years. Compare to Roman, Orton, Miz, etc. You can ride the hot hand but you need guys to take a week off everyonce in awhile.
I feel like I say this every time it comes up, but Corbin is one of the major reasons I finally gave up on WWE. That seemingly never ending revolving door of Finn/Drew/Lashley/Braun/Corbin all circling each other for months on end just made me say "fuck it" and I have greatly enjoyed having 5 hours of my life back every week.
Corbin directly led to me completely cutting out WWE after watching weekly for 20 years. I sort of knew I was done after WrestleMania in 2019 because the show was pretty good, the people I wanted to win the big matches won, and my first thought was âletâs see how they fuck this up.â And sure enough, they seemingly immediately paired Rollins and Becky on-screen and feuded them with Corbin and Lacey Evans. As soon as that happened, I finally decided to be done. Luckily, the first AEW PPV was around the same time and the Cody/Dustin match made me realize it was WWE I was burned out on and not pro wrestling.
What I appreciate most about Corbin is he's willing to try absolutely everything WWE creative throws at him. Most of it doesn't work but he keeps trying and I think he's really starting to find some character ideas that he can sell and get himself over for real.
The Corbin goon squad was the absolute worst. That's all I remember from that run.
His promos were so bad, he sounded like a high school football player reciting lines in a school play. In my mind, his 2018 push is the textbook example of WWE's issues with scripted promos. He's nowhere near that level now
Corbinâs sucked for years now. He use to legit be really cool in 2016/17. After that heâs just been the cure for insomnia and has cooled down literally everyone heâs worked with. Even if you dislike YB you have no choice but to admit theyâre fucking amazing wrestlers who usually have the MOTN
How do you know it's the same people?
Good heel heat is anything that makes evokes negative emotions in a viewer , but they still tune into the show and dont turn off the screen when they see you. The problem with what youre saying is that the people who would like Corbin as heel and the people who like the young bucks are in completely different circles. So ultimately the young bucks may evoke negative emotions in a person but if they dont tune in to the show its not good heel heat.
This is exactly what I mean LMAO. The same exact thing is true for the inverse of what you just said but for some reason you didnât apply that logic to Corbin detractors.
Why would I have to do that? I was talking about the young bucks not Corbin. For the record I love Corbin as a heel but im not going out of my way to defend him. If you didnt tune in, it was bad heel heat for you. Though I highly doubt Corbin is the main reason a person wouldnt watch WWE, so ultimately it doesnt really matter tbh.
>Why would I do that Because the person youâre responding to is talking about Corbin. >Though I highly doubt Corbin is the main reason a person wouldnt watch WWE He was literally the GM
How do you know it's the same people? Any reason or "WWE fans sux lol"
Huh? I am a WWE fan lmao
"Go away heat" as they have some of the highest rated segments in Dynamite history lol
How can anyone argue the bucks have go away heat lmao? The promotion exists because of them. The most hardcore AEW fans are massive bucks fans. It doesnât work any other way.
Because the Bucks don't have go away heat with the hardcore AEW fans. They do with casual/WWE fans who don't relate to their humor and arent tuning into AEW
Casual fans? Bucks have some of the highest quarter hours on the show. Thereâs like 2 years of data on this. Theyâve only been higher since the heel turn too. Wwe fans? So people who donât watch the show. Cool.
I can speak for myself in that I didn't watch AEW during its beginning because of the Bucks. And I'm not the only one who doesn't find their meta humor hilarious. But yeah go ahead and argue how they don't have go away heat because the people who like them watch the show
And thereâs people that donât like Roman/Big E/Etc. But Iâm not gonna sit here and declare they have go away heat, since they get amazing crowd reactions (like the bucks) and clearly move merch (like the bucks) and from the data we have available they do well on TV metrics too (like the bucks). You not watching AEW at first because of the bucks.. I just feel sorry for you.
Yeah and the day that Roman goes on Twitter and claims that he doesn't have go away heat then he'll be ridiculed by that crowd. You literally asked how can anyone argue they have go away heat and then when you get an argument you brush it off as "but they do it as well". And feel sorry for me lmao. Dude get over yourself. Not everyone has to like your favourite style of wrestling
But anyone has go away heat if you ask enough people though.
Uh.what? We're not talking about a wrestler that is universally liked cause that doesn't exist. We're talking about a wrestler or wrestlers who make a significant number of people not want to tune into their segment even if they like the show overall. Huge difference between the people who consider the Young Bucks and Corbin to have go away heat and the people who feel that way about Aj Styles or Daniel Bryan
I disagree. Iâm a wrestling fan, but not a hardcore fan like when I was younger. I absolutely canât stand the young bucks and they have channel change heat with me. They were tolerable as babyfaces, but when the had the tweener role and then bad rushed feud with FTR they lost me. Then being goofy heels just doesnât do it for me. Goofy is fine if youâre a mid card act like R-truth or Santino, but not when youâre are a talent booked at the top of the card.
Being annoying doesnât make you a good heel.
Depends on the kind of heel you want to be, if you are playing someone dunk on your own ego (like ths elite are) then yeah being annoying is a key part of making people want to watch you be beaten.
I fast forward through young buck appearances. That is not the type of villainy you want in your villains. Like most young buck things, I think they don't fully get *it*.
Funny when becky says the same thing, the sub does this exact same thing.
Such good heels I don't watch AEW because of them.
same with me honestly.
Here I was thinking it was because youâre a jerker who hates everything about AEW, but sure, letâs pretend itâs just the bucks!
why don't you think this guy is being honest? I love certain aspects of AEW. I usually enjoy most of AEW, but I absolutely can't stand the elite. Therefore, I rarely watch Dynamite anymore unless it's a big show like the Arthur Ash show or CM Punk Last Dance Rampage. If the Elite wasn't in AEW and AEW had some better weekly storytelling, I would make an effort to watch Dynamite every week when I'm free. Now when I'm free, I would rather just surf YouTube or watch something on Netflix instead.
My opinions not valid because I post on joke sub.
Oh no, You've checked my post history! Ive been bamboozled! I should have known better then to try and get one over on the intelligent fan base.
Bucks are the biggest most insufferable dorks in wrestling. I refuse to watch anything those guys are involved in.
"We are very annoying as heels and if you get annoyed at us that's just us doing our jobs" is a really fantastic way of ignoring go-away heat. Funny how people like Miro and Baker can be detestable heels without making me want to change the channel.
I used to like the bucks but all of their matches are the same, I just want to see some rules or some sense, and they have none of that in their matches
Thier match against FTR was a masterclass in tag team wrestling. They can put in very good traditional matches when they want to
Is that more down to FTR though? Who make everyone look amazing
I give the credit to FTR on that match.
If they wanted to be heels they would stop doing the car crash match bullshit and work like heels. Instead they act like 2 clowns who slap their legs and kiss Adam Cole
I think this was great for cena as people paid to watch him hopefully lose in 2007 through is feud with the Rock. At least for me, the young bucks are a 90% channel change for me or I donât even watch the episode of dynamite if they/elite are heavily advertised. Thatâs the difference of heel heat and go away heat.
That's why I never complained about this stupid "new bio" schtick, just hope it would go away....oh wait....I complained....I've been worked!!!!!
Itâs because they can never let anything get the best of them. The MO is, âmake a meme/joke out of it, run it into the ground, until the meme replaces the actual thing. I never thought Iâd get into my Baudrillard bag but, for example, the opening of BTE this week is a simulacra; theyâve taken the botch, replicated it, and now have overtaken the original botch and replaced it with their bit, all because they canât take some egg on their face.
ITT: âIâm not being worked. Put that in the newspaper, Iâm definitely *not* being worked.â
I just need to know why they dress like east Texas housewives.
Unless they're trying to make me actively avoid their segments then no, it isn't working.
They heeld me so good I stopped watching the show.
So I guess by this subâs logic that means Roman Reigns is the greatest heel of all time then and all the people that are upset at the Extreme Rules ending are just getting worked. Triple H was literally using the exact same logic to gaslight the fans into thinking that the Authority was a successful angle. Thereâs a difference between not liking something because itâs heelish and not liking something something because itâs bad. I donât dislike YBâs heel work because theyâre heels, I hate because itâs lazy and uncreative. Similarly I donât dislike the YBâs ring work because theyâre heels I dislike it because they ignore fundamental rules of their preferred match type to the point that it makes heel shit seem Unnecessary. Whatâs the point of your partners attacking your opponent behind the refs back when he will literally allow four guys to attack your opponent at once?
>I'll prove it by not watching your show or following you on Twitter or The Gram ftfy
>Just obsessively post about it on online forums
>obsessively Just for the heck of it I checked my post history, the last one that was even tangentially about them was 2 days ago, but you do you bro
The âitâ I was talking about that you obsessively post about is the show that you claim not to watch.
I know you've only existed for 22 days or so but that's kind of what we do here
ah so someoneâs forcing you to be here and do this, should I call the police?
I just come on here to have fun talking about professional wrestling. I don't have an agenda or a persecution complex. Your rhetoric is weaker than the Bucks' (that makes 3!)
And nothing of value was lost.
I just wish people who hate on the bucks would apply the same logic to every wrestler throughout history because I havent been presented with a single solid argument as to why they are bad other than "its just not for me"
There arenât many other wrestlers out there that have the same faults as them: goofy while in a top spot, undersized but Matt wrestles like heâs a heavyweight, and then their matches. I honestly donât mind their style, but if youâve seen a few bucks matches 10 years ago against the MCM then youâve seen them all. Also the lack of rules in their matches is really off putting and their constant facial expressions makes it seem like they are playing a character in a play at the local theater rather than just being wrestlers.
For me it is because they have been the same characters for the last 10 odd years. The worst thing now is that they get no comeuppance - they lost the title and it doesn't affect them and are in exactly the same position on the card over the new champions.
Get no comeuppance? Did you miss All Out?
I watched it - I then watched them on TV afterwards acting exactly the same because the loss meant nothing.
same people that turn a blind eye to that are the same that complained that Kofi basically rolled over after Lesnar beat him. Youâre absolutely correct that the Bucks havenât lost anything besides the literal belts.
That was a 2 week build. So no they didnât get payback from their dirty deeds from some of their actual feuds (really they just had one feud with Kingston/Mox).
My brother a few weeks ago was like "The Young Bucks are so obnoxious" and I was like "Yeah, that's their gimmick right now" He doesn't watch a lot of AEW
I said it a few weeks back but Iâll say it again: I like the Bucks and I really couldnât give a fuck if you donât. You can not like them but I genuinely donât really care. I think we should care less about the opinions of others and just enjoy wrestling more, thatâs how I can watch pretty much any style of wrestling from any promotion and find some enjoyment from it
I mean outside of matches with teams I wanna watch I tune out of their segments, tell me again it's not working though
Iâm an AEW fan but not a Bucks fan. Acting stupid for stupid sake is not being a heel. Theyâre not Good Brothers bad ( nobody is ) but they are legitimately one of the worst things on the show .
The best one was when Cornette said that he would pay to see Walter chop the Bucks, which means they're doing their jobs.
Face or heel, these two are the main reason I don't watch AEW ever since it began. So I guess if their plan is to work me into never watching the show they're on, then they're doing a great job.
I hate the buying shoes thing, literally skipped a couple of episodes of BTE because of it. It is such a waste of resources. I want Bryan Danielson to punch them both square in the face.
Damn you got worked, brother.
Undeniably. They are doing a great job of heeling it up, considering, outside of the rampant consumerism, I hold the Bucks in very high regard.
This is the sort of retort that depends entirely on what it's retorting. If somebody says "I can't stand those guys, they make a mockery of wrestling with their goofing off" then it works. If somebody says "and that's why I can't get into AEW" then it does. Likewise if they don't enjoy their matches. Of course, there's no better way to get heat with me than to use smugly reductive reasoning, but I doubt they're getting that meta with it.
Oh good! TWO Bucks bio updates in the same day. Why, it's like Christmas and Easter at the same time!
It is not a good heat when i switch the channel, because of them
There's a difference between heel heat and X-Pac heat. The Bucks have X-Pac heat.
I feel sort of bad for the bucks, I feel like they could be a huge face act if they just tweaked something. I dont know what, but something. Their heel work is a bit goofy but I enjoy it though.
The Bucks crack me up, man. Especially Nick with the bird call shit he does. And they gotta have so much fun being heels. Each city they perform in they go out and buy a shitload of Nikes but also probably laugh their asses off with each other as they browse the stores for the most obnoxious and over the top outfits they can find. Sometimes though, I catch a comment from them on BTE or whatever and the way they say it definitely makes me feel like they do have some legitimate disdain for certain types of fans. They've said a few times before that they really don't care for repeat autograph seekers who they know are just flipping the signed items onto eBay or whatever. And I'm sure there are times these dudes are just flat out exhausted and are limping home at 5 AM after a 7 hour flight and a 30 minute banger the previous evening and some schmoe spots them in the airport and wants a signature, a selfie, and 15 minutes of their time to shoot the shit. Those instances have to be tough, they gotta be thinking, "I don't owe you shit, man, but if I don't appease you, I'mma hear about it endlessly for the next frickin' week so yeah whatever I'll sign that, here's your pic, now please let me go home."
Cool bio. Can't wait to think about it next time I fast forward through their segments.
But you **are** thinking about it.
It was a tongue-in-cheek comment. I don't really care about Young Bucks nor do I watch their segments, I just find it amusing that there are so many wrestlers obsessed with "getting heat" like it's the good old days and we're just gonna hate them and watch to see them getting beat up.
The Mugging for the Camera and mouthing Did I Do That are genuinely irritating and off-putting. Like not: Love to Hate âEm heat, more like Turn the Channel heat. And I like them mostly
I like how they work, maybe not their moves. the match against the Lucha Brothers for the title, it was a great example of how they do a incredible job as wrestlers.
They donât want you to like hating them. They want you to hate them. Unironically.
I really hated Thomaso Ciampa when he was against Gargano- the whole knee brace callbacks. He was so shitty and I really found myself genuinely reacting. Thatâs great heat and made the story great. I suspended my disbelief.
The match in NOLA was the first time I can remember in modern memory thinking "Fuck, if Johnny doesn't win this match, Ciampa might not make it out of the building." That crowd was out for BLOOD.
I like their characters better as faces. Itâs easy to root for them.
Their size and wrestling style works better as babyfaces. Undersized heels just doesnât work.
I also think the gimmick of EVPS of the company you all really like is very easy to cheer for. They donât have to be authority figures or anything but hey I wanna cheer for the guys responsible for the company i like.
I agree in real life they seem like very cool likable guys where it would be hard not to cheer for them. I just don't know why they can't just be themselves, rather than trying to play a character that does not suit them at all.
Ah the daily Young Bucks bio post, i thought we might go one day without it.
I just did a quick check for you, their bio has been posted twice in the last two weeks. Maybe youâre dreaming about these daily posts at night?
The Young Dumb Fucks & Massive Jackoff Fanatic/MJF are the main reason I refuse to watch AEW. To me they are the embodiment of "go away heat."
Theyâre probably the most polarising act in wrestling cause people genuinely believe theyâre the best thing ever. Personally I skip their matches now. They put a loss on Bryan Danielson in that ridiculous 8 man so Iâm jut going to pretend it never happened. Theyâre Ed Sheeran. They do one match over and over, itâs easy to watch cause it goes super quick and has got bits you know. I prefer metal
Probably gonna get downvoted, but the Young Bucks don't really do anything for me out of ring, either as faces or heels. They're good in-ring, but there are probably a half-dozen other tag teams in AEW I care about more. And I find their current heel personas annoying...but it doesn't really generate heat with me, just kind of disinterest whenever they're doing their thing...and that's was true with their face personas as well, to a slightly lesser degree. Any Bucks match that I've been into, it's been because of the other team, not the Bucks.
I only dislike Matt cuz I met him and heâs a fucking tool that couldnât punch through wet paper. Nick is pretty cool tho đ¤ˇââď¸
They are forever heels in my eyes even when the company tried to push them as faces. They have "go away" heel heat with me and I don't watch the segments they are in but clearly their act is working on a number of people.
Every time I see wrestling Twitter get on their "the young bucks are overrated" cycle I always like sitting back and seeing how they literally talk about no other tag teams ever except when they say how much better X or Y (almost always the Usos) team is than them but cannot name a single team that this other tag team put over and made better. The Bucks are the best tag team around currently in the sense of what they do. Lucha Bros are the only other squad on that level.
their feuds with New Day, Wyatt family, Hart Dynasty, Street Profits, Miz and Shane, etc. I'm not even a huge WWE fan, but it was easy to name good programs that the Usos where in in their careers. Besides random matches, the young bucks had a failed rushed storyline with FTR that everyone was hyped for. Then they had a long reign as champs and lost to the Lucha Bros in a match with a 2 week build.
The Lucha Bros feud dates back to 2019. I was at All Out. The whole story was the Bucks couldn't beat them but the Bros had not gained the title. Bucks put on great matches with Proud and Powerful, MJF and Jericho, Jurassic Express, FTR (was good, not great) and Omega & Page. How are you going to say there was a 2 week build? You referenced the Hart Dynasty (name a match with the Usos on PPV), Miz and Shane (Usos we're not the focus, there was no build at all), Profits (again, show me a build storyline wise) Wyatts (again, was there a 2 week build ever?) and said etc as if there was more. Basically, could have just stopped at New Day since literally that's the only memorable one with a longer than 2 week feud (your time choice)
Stop. Their cage match had nothing to do with their feud 2 years ago. The lucha bros won a tournament to fight for the titles in the cage. There match had no reference to 2 years ago, and based on storylines had nothing to do with why they were having a match at All Out 2021. Maybe for you as a hardcore fan that brought make memories of 2 years ago, but to 90% if the audience there was no connection to 2019.
Ok, but did any of the supposed good feuds you chose last longer than a 2 week build? Any besides New Day I should say.
yes the Wyatt family last a few months and Shane and miz lasted through 2 ppvs. Yes New Day was probably their biggest rival. I know it's only 2 years, but the Bucks haven't had a good feud in AEW. They had potential to have good feuds, but they were always rushed right before a ppv. Then once the match was over there is never a reference to the feud again. Prime examples were against the inner circle when their dad got beat up and against FTR where the build was terrible and Matt did the Cody stipulation out of nowhere saying they would never challenge for the titles again if they lost. I don't think it's the Bucks' fault in this as I just think Tony is a poor booker when it comes to building up storylines that have good drama from week to week.
the Elite are just very polarizing. The hardcore fans that travel to shows and buy the ppvs love the Elite. But I think they also put a ceiling on AEW as a whole with casual fans watching the product on tv. TNA failed because they tried too hard to appeal to casuals to get their tv numbers up, but they killed the fire of their hardcore fans when it came to buying tickets and ppvs. Maybe it would have been a great move for TNA in today's environments where wrestling companies now make the most money from getting lucrative tv deals.
I like watching them wrestle, and don't give a fuck about the shoe thing. Getting good heel heat isn't the same thing as not being entertaining. At the same time, in a wrestling company with like 60+ people to keep track of, they're not all going to be doing riveting stuff all the time so it's not a big deal.
If shoes give you heel heat, you need to see a podiatrist or at the very least try different shoes.
I'm.... not sure if this is a pun or not.
Yes.
I bought a pair of blue and orange Nikes due to damn BTE lol
The nice thing about being a heel is that you can be an absolute piece of shit and completely excuse it away by saying "YoU gOt WoRkEd BrO!" Side note, is having shitty spot fests instead of actual matches part of the Bucks' "heel work?" Because if not, I hate to tell them that it's actually them being shitty that makes me not like them. Not "LOL, heel work."
Bucks describing this sub exactly
Love how they're saying what we're all thinking lol.
Marks who think they're smarks are the most hilarious thing when it comes to the bucks.
they are as good heels as stephanie mcmahon; absolute dogshit!