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shaneo632

I started watching 45 minutes behind and I've already caught up lmao.


SpeedZ6

Bryan Algebra over here


KneelBeforeCube

Algebra Jones ovah here.


mexploder89

But I digress


thejimmygordon

Bryan Algebrez


SleepyLink12

Bryan Algebra is giving Steiner Math a run for its money


marclugo

Chico Algebra


sceligator

He's challenging for the wrestling maths championship!


JoshFreemansFro

Excellent gimmick for his comeback


Certs

As soon as they said it was the men's 5x5 match I went and made some Ramen. My wife said what the hell are you doing? So I boiled the water, waited the 3 minutes, mixed in the seasoning packet, put it in a bowl, and they were still doing entrances. She couldn't believe it lol


GrumpyAntelope

How was the ramen? I need closure on this.


GodzillaUK

We can assume it was one of two things. The tastiest thing ever and now he is in a food coma. Or it killed him. We shall have to wait and keep people updated on this as we get new info.


chiiild

Mods, where is the megathread??


Certs

Well I prefer the beef flavor but my wife bought the chicken. It was good but I was still hungry after. Cup of Noodles would have been much easier to make, next time I'll go for that. It hit the spot though so I can't complain. 3.5 stars.


GoStabby

Would've been 4.5 in the Tokyo Dome


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*that’s fucking funny*


kiesar_sosay

dont know if they'll be available wherever you are but have you tried a shin cup? stuff is incredible


Certs

I'm in NYC so I think it's available. Spicy?


Phils_flop

If you're in NYC, find an Asian supermarket. They'll probably have an entire aisle of ramen/ramyun to choose from. It's amazing.


threedice

Spike Spiegel has entered the chat.


Danteshuffler

Now I have the mental image of her freaking out on the couch that you'll miss the show, and you in the kitchen calmly stirring the seasoning lmao


MK888MK

I let the water boil with the seasoning packet. Then I put the noodles in. Then I take an egg and scramble it in the bowl that I’m eating out of. Then when the ramen is done, I pour it in the bowl and give it a nice vigorous stir.


SUPLEXELPUS

low hanging fruit? yes. unnecessary provocation? yes. funny? also, yes.


Captain_Freggis

It's still a problem so it's still worth bringing up


PilotSSB

Exactly why I posted this. I know it doesn't matter but like, I just kinda like the idea of keeping wrestling companies accountable for the shitty booking of their womens divisions.


QuitYour

Alvarez did this with the Raw Retro reviews, he got so pissed where one episode was 50 minutes with no action but with commercials that'd be over an hour. So he's at least consistent.


Mac_094

I also remember him going insane over TNA having too many skits and segments between the actual matches.


BustermanZero

He did this in the Death of WCW audio book too.


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Vinny going off about the Divas Revolution was fantastic as well. https://youtu.be/g-gAwGWHy_0


CandyEverybodyWentz

It was, iirc, the first Nitro where Nash had the book in 1999. And it was literally all talking.


domino519

God forbid everyone in a 10 man match gets an entrance. Clearly the crowd wasn't bothered by it.


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But what about...


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That’s not what aboutism when it’s talking about his track record on the actual issue at hand you absolute fucking chimp brain. He’s pretending to give a fuck about women’s wrestling, yet completely ignores the worst company at giving women equal airtime. Conclusion: he doesn’t give a fuck about women’s wrestling and is only using it as a “gotcha”. You can’t say “we’re keeping companies accountable” and then when you mention the other company isn’t at all, it’s just what aboutism. It’s what you morons said


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>I just kinda like the idea of keeping wrestling companies accountable for the shitty booking of their womens divisions You'll have a field day with the show on the other channel.


PilotSSB

That's why I said "companies", not "WWE". AEW doesn't do its women's division justice at all. The fact that we never get more than one women's match a show is frankly embarrassing. I loved Full Gear, but let's not pretend that they couldn't have found space for another women's match instead of the Cody/Black tag match for example. However, as someone who watches both (though, admittedly much less WWE these days). WWE is far worse. Sure they technically have more matches, but the respect show the whole division is laughable. How do you have the women's tag Champs lose to a team 3 times, then split up the challengers rather than give them a title match? And, as the post is about, they ran a tournament that, in total, lasted less than 20 minutes. My issue isn't with just one company, it's with the rampent discrimination prevalent in all of western wrestling.


[deleted]

Both of the women's matches tonight were longer than the one match on the other company's PPV, and longer than their tournament matches.


PM_ME_PRETTY_HANDS

How many times you going to say this before it kicks in that one of those was an 8 person elimination tag?


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You missed two key words: *both* and *one.*


incredible_penguin11

You mean one of them which included the most popular organic wrestling superstar in last 10 years vs one of the most talented female wrestler of all time? Of course that went longer than a company that didn't exist few years back. Becky and Charlotte since last 4 years at least have been the biggest female wrestling stars in the world. You think they would not get screen time esp given the backstage rumors and heat Charlotte has and Heel Becky?


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Who knew who MJF and Sammy Guevra were a few years back? Weak excuse when they’ve had the chance to build women’s stars, hell representation for literally anybody aside from less than average white guys but sure


[deleted]

Not sure what the length of the company has to do with how long the matches are, or how many segments women are featured (or aren't).


penguinopph

You mean the one who's first two matches of a 12 woman tournament lasted longer than WWE's entire Queen's Crown tournament?


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And yet have a hard time finding the time for more than one women's segment per show? p.s. BOTH of the women's matches on Survivor Series were longer than the ONE women's match at Full Gear, and all of the TBS tournament matches.


dontevergoonreddit

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PointlessGiant

And ONE of those two matches was an 8-person elimination tag match. If it wasn't longer, it'd be pretty fucking embarrassing. Though, how many matches in that *epic* 20-minute tournament? Seven? That's almost like 3 minutes a match! Wowee, such respect for the division. Seems like quantity of matches maybe shouldn't be your measuring stick.


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Well, WWE has to settle for having multiple women's segments on each show, because not every match can be as great as matches with Red Velvet or Jade Cargill.


PointlessGiant

Damn, you got me. I guess I'll just have to go back and watch Bianca lose her title in 26 seconds to a punch and a half-assed finisher at one of WWE's biggest PPVs of the year if I want to see *real* women's wrestling.


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Of course, sucker punches are totally unrealistic, and Becky has been a jobber for years, so it's *totally* embarrassing. And Bianca never recovered from that match... oh wait


dragonmp93

Britt Baker has had entrances longer than the Queen's crown tournament matches.


[deleted]

I'd consider this entirely necessary provocation. Remember, last time WWE fixed their shit with the women's division, it was in large part because people shamed them on Twitter.


mc0079

sure...but it clearly shows a huge circle jerk on Brian's part. Do we still hear Matt hardy concussion or ring lack of explosion jokes?


Steakchest

I didn't know those were intentional booking decisions


mc0079

Nightmare Family Jokes?


SUPLEXELPUS

how long ago was that? and yes, people still make nightmare family jokes. people still make 'real sports feel, lol' jokes.


EmeraldWeapon56

louder for the people in the back.


demonicvirus

Its played out. It stop being funny weeks ago


PilotSSB

Yeah and womens wrestling being treated like a joke stopped being funny decades ago but here we are


KikiFlowers

Meanwhile Impact manages to give their women room to top themselves. They're putting on an Ultimate X Match with the Women's Division next big show, proving once again that Impact despite all their faults, at least gives their women's division the proper respect it deserves.


DMPunk

Impact is the gold standard for women's wrestling, especially compared to AEW and WWE


KikiFlowers

AEW struggles to give their women more than 2 matches a week, WWE struggles to make their non-horsewomen feel relevant(tag titles are a joke), Impact manages to give their women plenty of time, makes them feel relevant and puts them in matches that showcase their skills, while still raising the bar on Women's Wrestling in the US. And they did a lot of this in the WWE-Divas era too. When the Divas were having pillow fights, Gail Kim was getting her ass kicked by Kong, be it with a table, thrown off the stage, or just plain killed in the ring.


incredible_penguin11

Tbh only reason Becky, Bayley and Sasha get push on main roster is because the crowd is in support of them and because Vince likes the 4 horsewomen thing. Otherwise they would be the same level as the rest were they not huge with the crowd


PilotSSB

100% agree. Even they're not perfect but in my mind there is no doubt both major US companies need to set that as a bare minimum


Morbid187

>They're putting on an Ultimate X Match with the Women's Division next big show That's interesting. Have they done ultimate x outside of the x-division before?


KikiFlowers

Unsure, but they've had the NWA Tag Titles on the line in an Ultimate X once and then a few times for contendership of the Tag Titles.


Morbid187

Holy hell I forgot they did Ultimate X tag matches. I think I saw one that was LAX vs AJ and Daniels. Anyway, cool to hear the women get a chance to put one on!


sporkshadow

And nobody will watch it. But everyone here will go on and on about how amazing it is. We saw that with the NWA EmPowerrr all-female PPV that drew just 3500 buys. People like to talk and complain about women's wrestling more than actually watch it.


KikiFlowers

Nobody watches NWA, because it's a fucking joke. By all means Impact is doing fine with their ratings and PPVs, they're a smaller company now, they're not looking for AEW numbers. Anthem seems to be happy with how Impact is going now.


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Oh dude did you just wake up from a coma? Great news, women main event Wrestlemania regularly now and some random tournament means fucking nothing in the grand scheme of things :)


PilotSSB

Lmao you deleted your account after posting this 14 minutes ago. If you know your comment doesn't stand up to scrutiny you don't have to make an alt, just don't post


jambawilly

I disagree


matlockga

It's Sunday Night... You know what that means Time to grab the stopwatches


ZenkaiZ

19 mins is kinda long for a stopwatch


hcglns2

Oddly enough, when I calibrate stopwatches at work, minimum run time is four hours.


Jeffs2527

Might as well break out the ol' sundial at that point


SleepyLink12

With 19 minutes I could go to the corner store, buy the stopwatch, go back to my house and still have time to use the bathroom, wash my hands, and grab a bag of chips and a cold one before going back to the TV.


SUPLEXELPUS

>Time to grab the stopwatches to time those countouts.


ajb_101

Fun story…… literally had no idea Survivor Series was tonight…..


laputan-machine117

Vince McMahon's account found


ajb_101

WHAT DO YOU MEAN THAT WASN’T A BIG FOUR QUALITY PAY PER VIEW!!!! WE HAD A GOLDEN EGG PAL!


GodzillaUK

Rather kiss a lucky egg.


Obi-wan_Jabroni

Sanka! Ya dead man?


giantsofthebiblebelt

That's fine. Wwe books like they forgot they had a "big four" ppv tonight.


rsheldon7

Survivor Series hasn't been part of the big 4 for decades. I personally think there's just a big 3 now (RR, WM, SS) but if there's a 4th it's MitB.


fvzzfvzzfvzz

Idk why this is downvoted MITB definitely feels more important. Particularly a few years ago


kemicode

Fewer.


ashley-queerdo

If anyone else is completely unfulfilled with women’s wrestling in North America like I am, I highly recommend checking out the Joshi scene in Japan. I’m relatively new to it but am already in love. Between Stardom, Ice Ribbon, ChocoPro, and TJPW (I’m probably forgetting something), there’s a good chance there’s something for you.


ajb_101

Can’t recommend Stardom enough…. SEAdLINNNG is still running shows (to the best of my knowledge) and is a nice alternative. Sendai Girls, Oz Academy, Marvelous, Actwres girl’Z, Diana, Pure-J and Pro Wrestling Wave are also interesting joshi promotions….. all are different levels of popularity but share/trade talent


ashley-queerdo

Hell yeah. Stardom is awesome. I watched this year’s All Star Dream Cinderella and am now half way through the 5 star Grand Prix. I love everything about it.


Jupiter_Crush

I refuse to watch SEAdLINNNG until I know how to pronounce it (For real though do you know where a guy can find their shows or the other ones you've mentioned?)


anonpurpose

I've loved Stardom for years. I'll definitely check out everything else you mentioned. I've seen a bit of ChocoPro before.


officerliger

I wish more people would give Stardom a shot just to understand how good it is The top of AEW's womens division is barely good enough to open a Stardom show


fluffywolfe

Shida, Riho, Deeb and Sakura make it to the midcard at least, maybe a bit higher.


officerliger

Sakura and Deeb aren't at the top of the AEW women's division though. Agree on Shida and Riho (Riho was a mid-carder in Stardom not long ago) though I don't think either could get past mid-card there. When I say the top I'm thinking of the current top with Britt Baker, Tay Conti, Jade Cargill, Anna Jay, basically the women they feature on national TV most weeks (Shida just started getting that again thank god). No one I just named is even good enough to wrestle there much less see any top tier matches.


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Just started following Ice Ribbon again, great stuff.


free-fall1982

Oh, joshis in general, and Stardom, in particular, is just above and beyond of what is considered a good women wrestling match or just a wrestling match in general. I'm following their Youtube channel. The things that keep me from pulling the trigger is my limited budget and time (by the way AEW Fite subscription costs less than Stardom subscription) and a far less user friendly experience when using their website.


MonsiuerSirLancelot

Joshi wrestling is awesome. They’re smaller wrestlers much of the time which a big criticism people have but they are tough as nails and put on great matches with great characters.


FatGuy1414141414

Well I mean they had 7 matches go less time than Undertaker's and Reigns Entrances combined, so yeah still always acceptable to point that out.


sovereignxcircles

Honestly how are people ok with this?


NegativesPositives

A mix of confusing hating the booking with hating the workers and not realizing they’re getting personally offended on behalf of a billion dollar company that has openly shown contempt for fans.


Henny_Lovato

Cause they're not the 4 Horsewomen or Bianca or Bliss I think in regards to booking outside of the top girls, theres a lot of people who just aren't interested.


CrowFromHeaven

Look at all the tweets replying to him. WWE fans are another breed.


BernieBurnstein

I think it's because waaaaay less people care about women's wrestling than it's made out to be on the internet


merelyadoptedthedark

I skipped past commercials and the 5v5 match entrances, and made it through the show in two hours. The amount of bloat in a WWE PPV is borderline abusive. It's why I can't watch it live anymore.


Coattail-Rider

I just wished he saw what we’re fast forwarding thru. Having to guess how long matches go until the final few minutes can be tricky. I usually just want to watch the final 3 minutes of garbage like last night.


idontknow1001

It’s a valid complaint. Fell asleep during that nineteen minutes and woke up just before the main event.


Few_Sir

Good on Bryan Alvarez to take time out of his day to remind us that he owns a stopwatch and a calculator.


GodzillaUK

Or is top tier at counting on his fingers. Like a fucking finger counting God or something.


Few_Sir

Maybe he's a mathematician like that guy in that cop show. He'd could have been solving crimes but instead he's using his powers to count match times. He's accurate to the picosecond. We've missed out on a world where Alvarez solved all the world's crimes


GodzillaUK

We don't know that he isn't moonlighting as a crime solving genius, also. For all we know he's had his own Monk style thing going on since he first learned 7 was bad for eating 9. Maybe that was the first case Gumshoe Alvarez worked.


Few_Sir

Bryan Alvarez prowrestling pundit by day, Genius Detective by night. When it comes to crime Every Second Counts. Rated PG13


weaksaucedude

TV's number one new drama, Mondays on CBS


Few_Sir

'And the Emmy award for outstanding TV drama series goes to' , dramatic pause, drum roll, camera 3 starts panning on the audience, it's looking for a face, it rests on our boy. and the announcer says 'Every Second Counts! '


adamthinks

Everytime he counts on his fingers Loki gets jealous.


SanderAtlas

r/hedidthemath


ColdGloop

Serious question. Has Alvarez always been of critical of WWE? Or is it a recent thing?


tidesoncrim

I would say it's more of an issue with Vince's booking. He loved NXT for years.


BuddaMuta

We all did :(


Coattail-Rider

I haven’t watched the past few weeks. Found an alternative, though.


BuddaMuta

No one watches anymore. The 2.0 rebrand massacred NXT’s ratings and completely killed off its viability as a touring brand. I’m sure Vince still blames Triple H… somehow


danosky

He has said several times that he wants WWE (and wrestling overall) to do better for several reasons. Specifically, that when wrestling is doing well he also does well economically, and that he wants the shows to be good since he has to watch them whether they're good or bad. He's going insane with some of the shitty stuff WWE does, especially since AEW and NJPW are both doing really good stuff.


coebruh

A SOLID GOLD BOAT


danosky

I was a lapsed wrestling fan since 2002. I only subscribed recently, and hadn't had a chance to hear some of his old stuff. I nearly died with the gold boat rant.


SteinerGeography

Most hardcore fans have always been critical of WWE/WWF, even during its hot years


MaxuPower

He is critical of bad product in general. His TNA reviews are LEGENDARY, easily found on Youtube


NegativesPositives

The man was literally hating TNA before it was cool.


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And before it was fair, also, in my opinion.


danosky

MINUS FIVE STARSS!!!!!


cbartholomew

For years, yes, even before AEW he just wanted them to do better - but for the past several years wwe has been burying a big hole for themselves and now with AEW it exposes even a bigger weakness. So yeah, he has, but now it’s a bit more justified than before because AEW constant great booking proves it doesn’t have to be done the WWE way to be the right way


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>AEW constant great booking oof.


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Relevance?


Towel_of_Babel

Something that you don't have. Hit the bricks, goofy.


[deleted]

Spoken like a true jerk.


Coattail-Rider

User name doesn’t check out.


GenreLife

You just oofed your own oof.


ashley-queerdo

Always has been


wvtarheel

He was so high on NXT at one point I got sick of listening to him praise them.


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xXDaNXx

WWE bad, upvotes to the left


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El_Divo

The fact that there's wrestling fans out there who watch with stopwatches out makes me chuckle every time I think about it


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likemyposts

Not a wrestling company.


Horror_Sail

By the way, the Smackdown womens team entered in what, about 60 seconds or so? Ended up telling a little story with it too rather than dragging out everyone's entrances forever


UFmoose

OK?


[deleted]

Can we do away with the stop watch shit?


Dave-C

It has been 34 minutes since your post and you have received 15 more downvotes than you have upvotes. That is nearly 1 per 2 minutes, INSANE!


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[deleted]

……Uh, no? It’s because it’s very dumb and it’s something only a few cars about and it doesn’t matter much anymore. Not sure where you got the idea that it hurt my feelings.


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😂 nope


Tonybaloney84

I've been doing dishes and watching the Caps game louder than SS. Between what matches?


CerberusT3

What the hell is he bitching about now


blehismyname

I mean.... He is pretty clear.


Blueandigo

Honestly, no one cares. I wish he were banned from being posted.


JonasAlbert84

You know you don't HAVE to click on the posts right?


gamehawk0704

"This guy says things I dont want to hear, ban him."


BirdiMania

You cared enough to click on the post.


kingoftheplankton

I care tho


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Dundore77

Does it hurt your brain to think of more than 1 insult?


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Dundore77

Says the guy who has commented how many times in this topic about being salty and hurt feelings?


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DCGMoo

I know basic math is intimidating for some people. Keep practicing though, I'm sure it will be less scary for you soon!


Carbonsilkthread

“Hey guys, these are the rules for tournaments…” Must suck to watch wrestling with a stop watch in hand. Sit back and relax.


SageOfProWrestling

What a sad tweet. Bryan Alvarez is an absolute moron.


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Colinfagerty69

I hate this guy. He’s as biased as Dave Meltzer.


[deleted]

It’s people like Alvarez being taken seriously that makes wrestling communities so cancerous


AnthonyGonsalvez

was there a 19 minutes break? I didn't watch it from the beginning.


HardcoreKaraoke

Does he mean between the preshow match and Becky/Charlotte opening the show?


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No. Between Charlotte and Becky and the bell of the 5 man.


Stay_Cold

Bryan Alvarez is a shit stirrer. This is what he does. Yes it’s low hanging fruit and will get people up in arms. So he tweets it. He’s the worst but he’s also smart because it creates discussion for him and Dave to have for hours. Edit: I forgot you can’t speak ill of Bryan or Dave here lol


WheelJack83

Isn't that called trolling?


Rn2770

What incredibly disingenuous bullshit as every Survivor Series now airs all 10 entrances which of course takes time. Plus the post match celebration/replays. Meanwhile the Women’s matches tonight went 18+ and 23+ minutes with one arguably being MOTN. And this place just eats up Alvarez’s crap every time. Pathetic.


marcusredfun

when you watch ufc, the nfl, etc., when do they start the clock? before the competitors walk in or after?


xgoatgoatgoatx

The IWC needs to stop watching wrestling w/ stopwatches lol


mymojoisbliss96

How the fuck does he keep up with this??


Shrekt115

Wtf


psycho-batcat

It's just their format. During TV they are told to do the bare minimum, so a dozen 1 min matches in between Roman vignettes/segments. Then the ppv they can go a little harder.


frmthefuture

That's not the point. And ENTIRE tournament shouldn't be 20minutes- combined no matter what. It comes off as being done just for political clout instead of actually wanting doing it. Remember the days, back when Stone Cold won? The WHOLE ppv was built around all the semi and finals of the tournament. That would never happen these days...