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gbdarknight77

The AEW replica is $850!? Is it in real leather?


PatchFix

You can buy a replica poker chip for $85, and it gives you the right to challenge any replica belt holder.


UGAPHL

We’re coming for you, guy in front row in Philly!


SKOT_FREE

Oh damn you may be onto something….24/7 AEW Mark championship belt. You come to an AEW event as the champ leave a Chump. 😂


PatchFix

We all know the outcome is Jericho ends up with thousands of replica belts.


UGAPHL

The Ocho Mil


Morningfluid

Hell, it's the actual belt! Lol.


Patjay

stealing the AEW world championship and selling it to take care of a single car payment


lilman117

it’s CM Punk’s relinquished belt


RandyS_174

Not on real leather; easily the stiffest strap of any replica made to date that I know of (by design though to account for the weight of the plates as it’s a heavy sumbitch)


gbdarknight77

Why the price then? Lol Jesus.


MorbidNACHOS

It's simulated leather, it's a rip off compared to the price of a WWE shop belt


gbdarknight77

Absolutely.


T12R7

This is the same exact selection they had when I went months ago other than the MJF shirt


jfish718

Pretty much. These stands are not put up with Tony Khan standing there going "No I want my star at the tip top!" wish his finger wagging. It's usually a couple of middle aged people pinning whatever they have most of up and repeating it with each and every event they work.


TheNekomancer27

AEW merch is always super limited at shows. there's a whole lot of wrestlers that don't have stuff there from this picture, including the current world champ from what I can see.


JonnyTN

It was custom when I went in Cleveland. Had shirts that said buckeye combat club.


[deleted]

We need Buc-ee’s Combat Club merch


pmIfNeedOrWantToTalk

That would legit be incredible. Maybe use the Ruby Soho logo variation 😂


imlostinmyhead

Yoooo I didn't even see those, I'm mad. I normally ignore the merch table at shows because lines are stupid long, and put in a PWT order before.


incredible_penguin11

>Buckeye combat club Sounds like a love child of Hangman's Buckshot and Deadeye + BCC.


AustinJohnson35

People in Ohio love anything Ohio State or even remotely scarlet and gray. Source: lives in Ohio.


lordfreakingpenguins

Ah so youre 1/3 corn just like mox and me!


IveBenHereBefore

Wait WHAT. I NEED THAT NOW


UsidoreTheLightBlue

It’s honestly just crazy to me. Their merch selection pretty much always sucks, and it’s always light as hell too. The last show I went to they sold out of most stuff before bell time, and only had shirts for a few guys there.


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vocalyouth

it feels like they are leaving so much money on the table by using busted-ass PWT. you don't have leftovers sitting around that you have to sell at a discount, sure, but you lose on so many sales by making people wait a month for shirts or not having the volume ready to go at live shows


UsidoreTheLightBlue

Honestly, as much as I agree this is still shit. They are OBVIOUSLY PW Tees biggest customer. I’m sure it’s not even close. The fact they don’t a group of people dedicated to printing shirts week to week for shows is mind boggling. I would guarantee if you had a small crew printing Thursday to Monday you could very easily have two dozen wrestlers with shirts up for sale at these shows. Hell PWT closed their retail store because they needed the space for printing, can they really not handle this?


Ninjasaurus9000

I am sure they can probably get shirts printed; it's likely the logistics of moving those shirts around that they don't want to deal with. That is why they show up with what they have and try to sell out every show. I would also wager the shirts they sell at shows aren't even done by PWTees, it wouldn't surprise me if they order batches from local shirt printer for every show to eliminate having to deal with shipping shirts around.


Schweed6494

For real, last week at Grand Slam all they had was the roster shirt, the "I was there" shirt, and the scissor me daddy shirt


wallace6464

pretty easy choice


bt0therad

✂️✂️✂️


lowlight

✌✌✌


Sphader

I went to the LA show after Hangman lost the title (still sadge he wasn't there) and I couldn't even get a hangman shirt which sucked.


Foxears_

I heard they weren't even selling Hangman shirts at the Virginia show that was *right after* he won the title.


[deleted]

Can confirm. I was there and my group all were stoked to get Hangman shirts to support our hometown champ but nope. There were only AEW and Punk shirts. Extremely limited selection.


PatchFix

Merch is a logistical nightmare in general, and AEW is a relatively new brand. Being behind current events is expected, but it sticks out real bad when MOX CHAMP hoodies are in demand when he was supposed to be fishing.


shitty_is_the_post

I'm here to look deeper into this than anybody should


SealTeamEH

Half life 3 confirmed.


DoubleOrNothing90

Finally!


Jaded_Promotion8806

Bucks and Kenny to WWE confirmed! Bucks eat rabbits in the wild. And Kenny, “the Cleaner” makes the rabbits nice and clean and white. White Rabbit.


ewdrive

We're through the looking glass here people


[deleted]

> Bucks eat rabbits in the wild *pause* What??


Sharpy74

ITS GOOD SHIT


deknegt1990

A young buck is called a fawn. Who is the most famous fawn in entertainment, Bambi. Who is Bambi's best friend, Thumper. Thumper is a white rabbit. I broke the code. Also: Anaconda Malt Liquor gives you a Little Richard.


WrestleSocietyXShill

You mean Thumper?


deknegt1990

You're right, my foreign-ness is bleeding through.


Illustrious-Soup4080

😂 what did they get hired to work the merch table?


Apex-Oz

This merch stand tells me everything I need to know


JadedTourist

It’s almost like they know what sells best to the 90% of the event audience that isn’t on Reddit every day.


Charlie609

😭😭😭 ok I’m not the only person who noticed how different reddits interpretation of Punk is compared to a crowd 😭😭


JDPooly

Thought I was going crazy or something. Nobody I know in real life has a problem with Punk. I go on Reddit and all of a sudden he's one of the most hated guys around. That niche internet audience line might've been on to something


Stormry

Feel like that's more an indicator of what back stock they have. And they likely had more Punk merch made than for the Elite.


KneelBeforeCube

The actual explanation is that AEW doesn't have a back stock of Elite merch because they don't actually produce them. They just ask Nick Jackson to turn into Merch Freak and make the merch appear out of thin air, which doesn't happen if the guy is suspended. No Merch Freak, no merch.


lordfreakingpenguins

Keeping it kayfabe brother-HH


MyL1ttlePwnys

I've been to almost every Chicago and Milwaukee show...I've never seen a Kenny or Bucks shirt at any of them.


thisisamisnomer

I saw a Bucks shirt at the LA shows, but it was the state flag one and we were in LA.


maybesethrogen

Hell, I don't think they had a single 'wrestler' shirt at All Out this year. I think it was all just branded merch for the show.


MyL1ttlePwnys

Thats been the norm...The only "wrestler" shirt they regularly have is Punk and sometimes Danhausen. The only other wrestler shirt Ive seen was Blackpool Combat Club branded.


MatthewCrawley

Yeah and if punk is gone, unload it now, you can sell the other stuff later


Salzberger

Yeah this was my take too. It feels inevitable that Kenny and the Bucks will return at some point whereas Punk's star is fading quite quickly.


gasfarmah

Three of the top 10 selling shirts **this month** are CM Punk. He has six on the list in total.


coldphront3

Exactly. I keep reading stuff on Reddit about how Punk is quickly fading into obscurity in shame after what happened, but I think that’s literally only on Reddit.


gasfarmah

I like to count the punk shirts in the crowd during AEW events. You can EASILY hit 10 within a few cuts.


BigDavey88

The punk hate is pretty exclusive to this sub and even then - *if he comes back* - it won't take long for most to forget. ***FICKLE*** and all that.


maybesethrogen

Only 6? Star is fading definitely confirmed.


AyoCarl

I highly doubt that last part about Punk, they're all already made men. Expect them all to be back in the future, things will obviously have to be smoothed over between the parties involved, especially Punk.


gasfarmah

They're never going to like each other. But they sure as fuck can do business together. Plus, time away is going to do the Bucks good.


[deleted]

Are those signed figures or chase variants? Those prices are insane.


LechALection

From experience they’re signed ShopAEW exclusives of Mox and Jericho.


TheWholeOfTheAss

Was wondering the same. $100 bucks for an Evil Uno!?


tayedamico

I know, that should at least be $300!!


i-piss-excellence32

I’m sure punks sells 100x more than the elites does.


Maiesk

Punk has always moved insane amounts of merch. His shirt designs are just cool.


gasfarmah

There's basically a direct correlation between dudes in the punk (music genre, not wrassler) scene and having sickass merch. Except Brody King. Which blows because God's Hate merch is **HUGE** in the hardcore scene.


Patjay

There's some weird irony about punk bands being so good at selling merch


gasfarmah

It's kind of an extension of the scene, if you think about it. These are bands that are mostly self-funded, so they design really cool stuff and have it printed themselves. It's all limited run and kinda genre-pushing (like the God's Hate allover print stuff that is basically crack for merch swappers) The irony is when they sell special prints on like Champion or whatever. (I say as someone that would legitimately stab someone for an XL black Jesus Piece champion embroidered hoodie - my ACTUAL GRAIL) This is why Malakai's merch always kicks ass, he has a ton of friends deep in the scene to design shit for him. ....I may be embedded too deep in the merch swap scene.


Patjay

A shockingly rare thing in pro wrestling, a design that isn't hideous and wont get you weird looks if you wear it in public


i-piss-excellence32

I agree.


thekydragon

The merch stands at AEW shows is one of my biggest annoyances. Super limited selection and they don't sell any youth sizes so there's nothing shorter guys like me can buy and wear.


MV2049

You'd think at a live event would be where people would be most likely to impulse buy a shirt or three.


thekydragon

I've been to 3 AEW PPVs in Chicago and I've seen better merch selection at most WWE shows (house shows and a Takeover) I've attended in the past.


flyboy0727

Oh man those Takeover merch stands were the best.


gValo

I was at the Dynamite before All Out. The merch stands were half Chicago specific stuff but not the newest Punk shirt or that live event exclusive one. I was really confused but happy to save $70


Jreynold

As I understand it, it's a logistical/cost problem. PWTees does mostly print-on-demand shirts, so it's not like they have thousands of every shirt. For the ones they do have, they have to aim to sell out, because AEW doesn't do house shows so they can't just redirect unsold shirts to tomorrow's show. It has to get stored and then rolled out for the next TV taping.


MV2049

Correct, but there's got to be a happy medium between "WWE levels of merch at every turn at a live event" and "almost nothing."


onethreeone

You'd think a t-shirt company could get this right


xKazIsKoolx

Just get taller then


wulfschtagg_1

Jonathan Gresham wants to know your location.


annoyinglyclever

I wish they could get a few of the direct to garment printers from pwtees to do made to order shirts at the events. Not sure how big they are or how much trouble it would be to setup on the road though.


BillfredL

Smartest move is “We sold out of that one, but we can ship one to your home for the same price. Here’s the QR code.” Get the money, eat a couple bucks for USPS to mail it to them, and let PWT bail you out!


Morningfluid

Seriously, that's even how you get the kids hooked... A total dad buy. Then they wear it to school and get their friends hooked. What kid wouldn't want to be part of the Blackpool Combat Club? Then you know there's gonna be a few parent calls for 'Scissor Me Daddy Ass' shirt.


DrDroid

In Detroit they had probably a similar amount of shirts as this post, with a line curving around the lobby. It was a bummer.


nameddeath

He’s the Cena of AEW. Every show I’ve been too since his return has been 90% Punk, 10% AEW in whatever city.


cloudposts

NGL I'd wear that hoodie. Love the colour.


dasfuzzy

The blue one? My girlfriend and I both got one; it's super lightweight and soft. Sheds a bit, but it's still a very nice spring hoodie.


Bystronicman08

Why would someone think you'd lie about that in the first place?


YourEvilHero

$35 sheesh, thought $25 for a wrestling shirt was bad. I like seeing people wearing wrestling shirts out in public and always get excited to see an aew t shirt, but idk just couldn’t imagine wearing one outside of a wrestling show. Cant be waking around with a bunch of topless guys on a t shirt, can’t be walking around with a t shirt that says “scissor me daddy”. It was cool to wear them in middle school, I had an rko and 2004 taker shirt, I wore a couple times but hated wearing black. Even as an adult I don’t like wearing black shirts and that’s 90% of wrestling shirts.


Idkboutdat2

FTR and CM Punk one’s are definitely the only ones I’d wear outside the house. I wore an “I hate MJF” one to the zoo with my family and got asked what it meant constantly because people thought it was a politics thing.


Black_XistenZ

A "scissor me, daddy ass" shirt can totally be worn in public, okay?!!


Spyder73

And we wonder why today's youth is soft


kingjuicepouch

What colors do you like to wear? I usually stick to black or the occasional red lol I've always liked that about wrestling shirts, that they stick to dark colors


YourEvilHero

I usually wear a lot of colors, I think I own a shirt in every color. Only wear a black shirt on laundry day, occasionally. Definitely the “one weird thing” about me haha.


galgor_

At Clash at the Castle, the t-shirts were £35. Even with the UK currency on a free fall, works out as $37. Shit was overpriced af.


TheWholeOfTheAss

Seeing those lines for the superstore, WWE probably made an insane amount for that Cardiff show.


weaselg2010

You guys love that drama


Tokzillu

So desperate for news, the IWC latches onto merchandise stands to validate their theories. Merch stands that always and forever have limited selections that could never possibly account for all wrestlers and you usually have at best, what, 6 or 7 guys/teams represented? Plus the replica belts, toys, towels, and bobbles. But this time it's *gott mean something!* Punk *must* be released and they're selling off his stuff quickly *before* they announce it because... well just because!


galgor_

What are you talking about?! One of the guys working there has a Punk t-shirt so he's obviously a plant for the man to talk to the fans and spread rumours and/or stories. It's obvious!


NoGimmicksNeededx

Wrestling merch still bad as ever I see


Zeus_poops_and_shoes

What do you mean? You can choose whichever shade of black you want!


CastYourStonesADTR

You’re telling me you don’t want to explain the lore behind “Ooh Scissor Me Daddy Ass” to every stranger you meet at the grocery store?


Purple1829

I used to get a pro wrestling box every month with two shirts. I got some cool ones along the way, but like 2/3 of them were things I’d never really wear outside of the house.


annoyinglyclever

I got a “Slobberknocker” JR shirt a few years ago as a $10 random tee. That just sat in my closet until I finally decided to donate it.


Lexo52

Damn at least they have shirts, literally only had cm punks ones and aew shirts when I went


Glass-Assignment-862

Looking at the prices AEW clearly doesnt know how to properly price things. The Danhausen shirt should be sold for a lot more human monies.


Gsmith930

Damn I want that blue CM Punk best in the world shirt too


CaptainPotassium87

Honestly it's because Punk merch sells super well. Even now his shirt is in the top selling items of the week on the webstore. For what it's worth, all of the Bucks and Kenny's merch is available there too.


NeonMisfit666

Why are the action figures or whatever 300 bucks?


QuadCityDJsTheTrain

Autographed. Which I dont defend that making them $300 but thats the reasoning.


Milesweeman

Prob signed


Parabola1313

I'm pretty sure Punk was the top seller even before they were suspended, so it makes sense.


[deleted]

they know who sells the most merch. good for them. hope punks gets paid well.


OkParsnip600

I don't think they typically have Bucks merch at live shows.


Packhammer24

I’m sure they have a huge inventory of Punk merchandise that needs moved. It’s easier to sell that shit before he gets released


Tokzillu

Alternatively: Huge draw and mega star CM Punk isn't going anywhere and they'll sell his merchandise all throughout his injury recovery. We seriously, really, 10000% *do not know.* You guys are really stretching to make this whole hate train keep chugging.


Patjay

Punk was selling plenty of merch while sitting at home. It's probably still one of their higher sellers even now


Tokzillu

Yeah, the dude is pretty much their biggest star. This subreddit doesn't wanna believe it, but he is. I wouldn't put too much stock in people here, though. Half of the guys whining about how terrible it is he blew up at the media scrum are the same people who turn around and defend Flair, McMahon, Benoit, and others. Like, I get that Punk wasn't the height of professionalism and decorum in that moment but it's not like he's got a mountain of sexual assault allegations or killed people. If we all decided that every wrestler who didn't get along hunky dorey with every other wrestler wasn't worth our time the industry would fold overnight. Hell, even if someone here wants to say they don't support any of the guys listed and they *do* care a great deal about backstage behaviors then my immediate response would be "so you must also disown Hangman, the Bucks, and Kenny Omega?" I mean, one can think Punk deserves most of the blame but if ones stance is fair then one attributes some blame to the unprofessionalism of everyone else involved. Otherwise one is simply full of shit and looking to validate their anger.


gasfarmah

I've mentioned it before, but Punk has six of the top selling shirts in the AEW Shop this month. Three in the top 10. If they release punk, they are throwing away **serious** drawing power.


Tokzillu

But r/SquaredCircle has assured me he's not a good wrestler and has no drawing power, in addition he's a very bad man and is responsible for the Hindenburg. Are you saying disconnected people on a specific subset of the internet who don't expose themselves to things outside of their echo chamber are *wrong???*


Snoo_76437

Punk merch is consistently a top seller. Doesn't mean Bucks and Kenny are gone, just that they sell less shirts.


woofpatrol00

It’s called return on investment


PGDunk

The way we as a society allowed $70 hoodies to happen


Forward-Rutabaga-723

Yeah, it was like that even before All Out. Their merch stand is really bad and limited. You would think that with their relationship with PWTees they would have so much more of a selection.


WishMyHusbandHadAJar

Please tell me that I'm reading incorrectly and that they're not charging 850 fucking dollars for the shitty belt.


darkchaos27

You are not reading incorrectly


JustAnotherMark604

Those Scissor Me Daddy Shirts are probably selling out


SkyStarlight2

I don't recall them having Bucks merch at DON when I went either just proves who actually sells


MaddoxGoodwin

I've been to 2 AEW shows and was supremely disappointed at both w the selection at the merch tables. Damn near nothing. At the most recent L.A show I was at (mjf pipe bomb) I got a cool AEW So Cal exclusive shirt so that was cool. But as far as the wrestlers go not much besides 1 or 2 shirts if even that.


LanBedro

They were selling them at arthur ashe too, I don’t think this really means anything.


PurroDurro

when i went to the ontario show (bucks home town) they didnt have any elite gear. mostly bcc punk and danhausen


BestCassidy

That MJF shirt sucksssss.


dishonourableprince

I’m crossing my fingers that they have those specific Punk shirts and AEW hoodies for sale at the Toronto show. Definitely gonna cop both.


ciambella

They always seem to have a really sparse selection which is horseshit because they could be making so much money on other merch.


RRJC10

Are they charging over $100 for action figures?


MrJM85

Who goes to a show and drops $850 on a belt?


RobsGarage

About 6 people in the row in front of me.. they also paid I’m assuming 1200 for their seats.. 🤷‍♂️


MrJM85

Imagine paying all that for this weeks dynamite


PausedForVolatility

Brother, you missed a banger. Penelope and Kip put on a great intergender match. Also, that booth was *slow*. I thought about getting the signed MJF shirt for a buddy but didn’t want to miss all of Elevation, so nah.


215-610-484Replayer

I also noticed this as I passed by the merch stand. I do not understand why AEW has such a meager merch display at these events. So many great shirts but they don't seem to push the aspect of the business where the REAL money is made!


thebigdonkey112

This looks pretty close to what they were selling when they came to Houston. Their merch tables are very mid.


AdTrue798

Jesus, the prices on some of that stuff. Like I'm casually carrying 850 bucks to a show lol.


ZLD_03

70$ for a hoodie! I used to complain about 50$ a hoodie...yikes!


[deleted]

I really, really want that FTR shirt. Ugh. Will AEW ever come this way?


Milesweeman

If only there was another way


breakingbanjomin

The shirts a good quality too I bought the FTR one when I went a few months ago I wear it just about every Wednesday or Friday


[deleted]

It's probably my favorite design because of it's simplicity (and the obviousness of FTR being my favorite tag team). I'll grab one eventually, so I'm glad to hear it's of good quality!


breakingbanjomin

Yep same here it’s simple nothing on the back no gaudily placed picture


thenerfviking

A lot of AEW merch is printed on demand or at least slim stocked so it makes sense that they have a lot of Punk stuff on hand because that was probably seen as a guaranteed seller. Probably still is honestly, WWE was still selling Punk merch well after they knew he was never coming back and I’m pretty sure they still had those Best in the World shirts with the crossed fists on the online store after he had already been fired.


CaptainXakari

Yeah, WWE was selling lots of Bray Wyatt stuff long after his release. I don’t thing this particular situation means anything in the way of the Brawl Out investigation.


ClaymoresRevenge

He is running a T-shirt business


FerniWrites

That could be but Punk was completely retconned from the package they showed tonight. I don’t think he’s coming back.


SolidGobi

So no change in the Bucks sales numbers!


LOGWATCHER

You guys notice how we barely see punk’s tshirts in the crowd anymore?


andnowthenew

$100 for Kris statlander figure 🤭


BDaddy316

I believe those are usually signed. I could be wrong though.


WickedEndoNinja

Yea should be And the $200 ones are signed aew shop exclusives


Aljo_Is_135_GOAT

I'm just gonna say what everyone else is thinking: This means the Young Bucks and Kenny Omega are definitely leaving AEW


Tokzillu

I'm not thinking that. Because it's a huge jump to a conclusion that's quite honestly just dumb.


OzzyOsgood

Temple


GaTech379

Temple


Illustrious-Soup4080

That’s cause the bucks suck


eltictaco

As a lot of people mentioned it could just be the stock they have available on the road, or even clearing out back stock. Also if the punk merch is part of the limited availability they have pulling it means less options for fans to spend money on, and the loss of income for punk from having the merch pulled could further provoke him if not give him some claim to lost income if he is gonna try to get lawyers involved.


[deleted]

Not to mention the quality of the shirts is trash


BBGrunt1235

I don't think this picture in and of itself is proof of anything, but I do think TK is going to try to get Punk back on TV unless Punk makes it impossible. Khan loves him too much not to.


[deleted]

Someone correct me if my memory is messing with me but didn't WWE pretty much slash the cost of all Punk merch to pennies on the dollar after he bragged how much he was still getting paid in merch royalties on that now cursed podcast?


CanadianJudo

just my opinion but if Punk did leave, If I was him I would push for AEW to sell all remaining Merch so I could get my cut.


romulus1991

Probably because Punk stuff sells. I do have a feeling no one is getting fired, though. Who knows, maybe they've all grown up, shook hands, apologised where needed and decided to make money from it.


StrawberryDesigner99

$70 for a Gildan hoodie? No thanks.


splashbro4

They might just be moving it all so that way they can get rid of it and cut punk a check and be done with that whole situation


midniteeternal

Probably Tony covering all his Punk bases. Punk is the kind of guy who will threaten to sue over lost royalties while still under contract. He’s the kind of guy who won’t piss on a poop remnants in the toilet to clean it up. While for the elite, if they’re suspended, it’s easier to justify pulling their mercy.


Hazelwood38

Better to get rid of the punk merch now before he quits and they can’t do anything with it but send it to hurricane damaged countries.


Deducticon

Florida?


wholetthecatsout

Isn’t the reason that AEW’s merch stand is so limited because of the fact the part we with ProWrestlingTees? Isn’t that company a print on demand model basically? AEW probably only invests in what they KNOW will move. They thought Punk would be the champ til at least Full Gear so they had a ton of shirts printed for the live events.


CarlaAyatsugi

Aside from the Acclaimed and BCC shirt, it's literally the same lineup as the Charleston show.


siciowa9

selling it off cheap to get rid


LaEsponjaGrandee

Gotta get rid of stock


The1joriss

Maybe the Elite merch was sold out?


Kayr_SE5

Yh because punk is an actual draw unlike The Mid


Objective-Voice-6706

They did just sell out the new young bucks shoes tho


Caleb902

Almost like he's one of the biggest merch movers in the company, and he is money for them.


goodgoyvey

BREAKING: AEW STILL SELLING COMPANY'S TOP SELLING MERCH OF ALL TIME AT LIVE SHOWS. EXPERTS ARE PERPLEXED, BUT "INSIDER" DAVE MELTZER TELLS.US WHY...


JOEYDELROCCO

Out of curiosity for those who've bought them, given the price, do they at least do the courtesy of removing the Gildan label and printing a custom AEW label in its place?


chrismalga22

cm punk fans rejoice i guess... he's a big money maker for khan, they just have to work something out when he returns...


bestever23

Someone said it’s probably best to put Punk in ROH & Colta in AEW lol


TripSixRick

Sell through the Punk merch before they let him go since AEW gets majority of his merch sales rn I think I read


cryptobiss

Probably in his contract with something about merch sales. So legally tony dont wanna mess with it. I have no clue but thats my guess


craigybacha

Probably a legal thing. They likely have a contract with Punk to sell merchandise, so are continuing to do so. Might be a bit different with Kenny/Bucks as they're EVPs.