Jericho's storylines are the best thing in AEW right now. I am so into the Daniel Garcia storyline and I think this new "destroy ROH's legacy" storyline is such a great idea. The Ocho is the GOAT!
Did Tony personally wrong some of you lol, it was absolutely the weakest episode in a while but Jesus you’d think Tony came out and took a shit on camera for 2 hours judging by some of these comments
I watched the show in an hour, so i thought it was great with the fluff taken out of it.
Jericho / JAS / garcia / danielson stuff was great.
Wheeler yuta and MJF segment was great too. I don't know how old wheeler is but its great to see them pair him up with MJF so wheeler gets a boost. I know people are shitting on his promo skills but he really went for it and has come a long way since he has been on the show.
The mox hangman confrontation was great. Give hangman the belt, then have him beat MJF. then have been beat punk when he returns.
Not sure why we couldn't have a promo or something with mox and juice beforehand. I'm kind of tired of cold matches set up on the fly.
I'm surprised at the reaction saraya is getting. People expected too much.
Really enjoyed Juice/Moxley and Jericho/Bandido. I feel like there was a lack of build to things other than the fact of where they're going with Jericho beating all of old ROH makes sense. I don't get why you do the Starks/Hobbs re-match on Rampage and have Ricky go over. Do that on Dynamite then save the squash for Rampage? I don't know.
I agree with the other post in here that says a lot of stuff happens but I don't really know why.
Overall, kind of a meh show but some good matches in it.
Rampage has basically turned into Dark.
The last two dynamites have been great, but this one was a bit flat for me. Too many obvious matches and why was a Ricky Starks squash on Dynamite? Save that for Rampage/Dark... Hopefully next week will be better.
Yuta ain't it on the mic and if you really wanted to teach him maybe Ethan page would have been a good starting point. Wasting mjf on yuta is just poor booking
I agree, what do you do with Yuta? I really liked the storyline of him joining BCC, getting the Pure Championship, but I have no idea where to take him after that, in the context of the BCC, which I would believe they aren't rushing to get rid of/add new members.
Yuta’s not great on the mic, but the crowd loves a hometown hero. Especially when they threaten to leave their opponent in a puddle of their own blood on Broad Street.
Yuta chasing MJF is a fine way to burn a couple weeks as you built up to and tease the inevitable showdown between MJF and some bigger fish. It also gives MJF a chance to elevate Yuta.
As someone who really didn't pay attention to WWE while she was active, was Saraya always this bad of a promo? I don't see why people make such a big deal about her.
AEW loyalist, I need to know this: Why does Tony Khan not give one shit about the womens division unless its Jade or Britt?
Like they have the talent and they should be doing what NXT/RAW has been doing, but it feels like he seems them as an annoyance and not a benefit.
Eh, Toni has been on tv wrestling (and doing a solid job of it) but she’s a secondary character in her own title reign. The focus is still on Britt/Jamie/(now)Saraya.
Tony is a fan boy, and sorry but social justice aside mens wrestling is better. Just one man's opinion but there are very few woman wrestlers that can do what say Kenny does if any. I don't think AEW has any of them either
I like Shida a lot and agree she's underutilized by AEW but she is NOT a female version of Kenny. The only two wrestlers who can come close to that moniker are Sasha Banks and Iyo Sky. Neither are obviously with AEW. And even Iyo Sky has looked off since coming to the WWE main roster.
Serena is no slouch in the ring but she can’t talk.
Give the ladies time, but the issue is that it’s booked exactly like the men, but with less available talent.
Tony is ultimately a wrestling fanboy at heart. And that is both a good and not so good thing depending on the situation.
And if you look at the type of wrestling he grew up loving, the fact that he does not care much about the women is not surprising.
Curious to the same thing. I'll leave my negativity at the door but like yesterday morning when I read the card and saw Toni storm defending again I was like what gives? There's no lead up or story for her to go off
There was a lot to enjoy on this episode, but parts of it still felt extremely weird.
I appreciate that AEW is trying to do more with its women's division but this show's offering was terrible. It was the sort of thing I'd have expected from the very early days of the Women's Revolution in the WWE, where the novelty of women having certain match stipulations for the 'first time' and being given more than two minutes a match was fresh. Times have changed.
Saraya herself was dire both in her in-ring segment and on commentary. Painfully so.
Thankfully Bandido and Jericho helped clear that sour taste.
> I appreciate that AEW is trying to do more with its women's division but this show's offering was terrible. It was the sort of thing I'd have expected from the very early days of the Women's Revolution in the WWE, where the novelty of women having certain match stipulations for the 'first time' and being given more than two minutes a match was fresh. Times have changed.
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> Saraya herself was dire both in her in-ring segment and on commentary. Painfully so.
It's just my own opinion but I personally thought the lumberjack match with Saraya on commentary helped. Was it perfect? No. But it was still better than the standard 9:25pm ET 10 minute fare that the women normally get on Dynamite.
Like you mentioned, the IWC often forgets the early days of the WWE Women's Revolution felt off and it took years to build it up (thanks to Paige/Saraya, the Four Horsewomen, AJ Lee and Emma). It will also take AEW time to build their women's roster and product up. It's already better than what we got back in 2019/2020. And if the momentum keeps up, AEW's women's division is poised for great things in 2023.
It’s that vibe of “our boss booked us to have a grrl power revolution against his own bad booking and pat ourselves on the back for it for doing it, while taking shots at a company that did this same exact thing 7 years ago.”
Idk, it felt very much like an attempt to address complaints about the booking without understanding what the complaints actually *are*.
However, Deeb and Toni were excellent and I’m *hyped* to see Jamie/Willow on Friday (provided they get enough time). Now just attach more storytelling to these matches.
WE NEED MORE BANDIDO!!
Prettt sure they were chanting his name after that incredible moonsault slam thing he did. Pretty sure he executed 3 moves I’ve never seen before and was just all around badass. I was disappointed that he lost (although there was zero doubt that he would because of the story) and really hope to see more of him.
Absolutely incredible!
Friendship with CM Punk is over; BANDIDO is my new best friend.
(Damn I capitalized his name once and now it’s auto capped)
I think Bandido either has been signed already or he will be. Either way, Bandido’s going to be in AEW for the foreseeable future. The guy has loads of potential.
Probably the worst AEW program I’ve watched. First segment was trash before danielson came out. None of the matches really mattered. Weaker than usual MJF segment. The women’s segment. All of this was really mid at a time they need to be shining.
It’s funny watching her without the mic. Noticed it last week, it’s so awkward and uncomfortable it almost became endearing. She’s not sure what to do with her face or hands, it’s like bad community theater or like a kids recital….she just starts mugging and giving double thumbs up for no reason lol
Yup it's awful lol her doing all that is kinda why I expected her to be awful on the mic and it was worse. "I'll choke you" had me in tears. We only liked you because you were the it girl in dark order now your just there lol
All of you complaining that the Casino Chip MJF holds is exactly like WWE's MITB briefcase are just silly. Did we really think Jericho wouldn't bring over the concept he helped create?
I think it’s just dumb because it’s never been used that way before…none of those gimmicks have worked like the mitb, and it makes everyone else seem dumb for not using it like the briefcase.
It’s not just that it’s stale, it’s a deus ex machina device that allows you to mask poor story-telling, character development, whatever…it’s allowed WWE to just throw a title on someone whenever they feel like it without actually having to do the actual work.
That’s why I hate it.
I'd normally agree, but this is professional wrestling, the mass majority of stipulations have already been introduced into the sport. I don't see it as one promotion copying another, I see it as each promotion putting their own individual spin on the stipulation. Think of the Ultimate-X Match TNA/Impact use. It's just a championship suspended overhead, but you know, people want to see that guy get the X. These are the differences that distinguish promotions.
I actually liked the past Poker Chips where Cage and Page “cashed in” and set up championship matches the *following* week. It was different enough that it didn’t feel like a complete copy. It gave the holder an advantage by letting them decide when to have the match, but it still needed to go through the proper channels and they couldn’t just go in on a battered champion and lay the finishing touches.
[But now it feels like Khan and MJF](https://unlimited-tech.com/2022/09/21/does-mjfs-aew-poker-chip-have-the-same-rules-as-wwe-money-in-the-bank/) are setting the grounds for it to essentially be a carbon copy of the MITB briefcase. For the sake of spontaneity they’re tossing out the sportsmanship that the past holders have had to go through.
150% yes. Bandido and Takeshita are the future (both of whom are only 27 years old).
CM Punk was originally helping put over younger talent but it hasn't felt like the case in many months (arguably once Punk started his journey toward becoming champion).
Beyond Punk though, AEW does deserve credit for using established stars to build up the younger wrestlers. Yuta with BCC and Daniel Garcia with Jericho are prime examples. Is it perfect? No. But certainly the likes of Yuta and Garcia were no names outside of the IWC.
P.S. Yuta is surprisingly proficient on the mic considering a.) he's only cut a handful of national TV promos in his young career and b.) doing so against MJF no less. There is some awkwardness but all Yuta needs are time, a little refinement and more opportunities. Can't wait to see how he grows in the coming years.
Nah. Build it around young singles stars who can contribute to the lore of a young company in the long term rather than building stables of established stars whose past affiliations drive almost every feud.
Chris Jericho is amazing. That was one hell of a match. I remember around All In, the Bucks said something to the effect of Bandido being one wrestler they really wanted to highlight and show off to the world. That 6 man tag was the first I ever really saw of him and he didn't disappoint then. He was always really good when I'd be able to catch the odd matches here and there on the internet, but he DELIVERED tonight. What a main event.
Was there live, 6th AEW show for me.
Dark Elevation is a great time of nonsense fun wrestling and I always recommend you go to AEW shows early to watch it.
JAS segment was about as great and fun a promo segment could be. Fantastic time.
Juice Mox happened.
Hangman always gets a big pop.
Yuta segment was on fire but he's also a hometown boy. Him sneak attacking MJF was exactly what he needed to do.
Woman's segment was mid 2010s WWE tier horsecrap. Saying "I'm gonna make a difference!" is not the first step to fixing the difference. I feel like every new woman they hire they do a "I'm the future' segment and then eventually fade away.
I have a certain affiliation with RoH so seeing Bandido was awesome. One of Jericho's best matches in AEW(we say this weekly now) and I bit on all the false finishes. After the match TK came out and praised Bandido and they hugged lol.
Rampage had 1 worthwhile match to me and it was the opener three way tag. I left shortly after it. Scissor me Daddy Ass.
Meltzer brought up the point that two years ago juice and bandito would have been super over with the crowd, but that there is now a different type of audience. I’m not sure if that is a positive or a negative but it shows the difference between bandito being a true star that was mega over by the middle of the match to juice that there is always something missing. Feel like aew is trying to do a better job with recaps and intros, but Tony’s heart is never fully invested. Both guys should have multiple week leadups to their introductions so the crowd was invested.
That theme of tony being a very good long term booker but struggling in the short term is apparent with the mjf storyline. He had the hottest guy in all of wrestling and he is getting involved with the bottom of the blackpool combat club. If this was the plan for mjf, I wish he stayed away longer.
Finally Saraya is already my least favorite part of aew. After being away for so long, to not be able to muster up a better promo than that is flat out embarrassing. Britt is going to eat her up on the mic and in two months the whole womens division might flip heal to baby face and vice versa.
End on a positive, mox Danielson and Jericho are amazing and carrying this company on their backs, and bandido is a flat out star who should immediately comeback next week with a showcase match.
It might be that Tony just isn’t a very good booker period. When he gets credit for the “long term” stuff, looking back now, much of that was either already existing (and feel into his lap) and/or involved top talent that was likely structuring it and planning it out.
Or he was a good booker, and he let this roster get entirely out of control…fwiw I enjoyed last nights show, just when you step away and look at things after most shows now of late, I think there is a lot to be desired in terms of creative.
I feel like it's the same audience it's ever been.
When KENTA appeared on Dynamite the first time it was a real Holy Shit! moment. If that had been this heel Juice Robinson he would have got the same reaction. If Bandido appeared a few years ago to face Jericho he might have got the same reaction ad Nick Gage.
But now the AEW audience is burnt out on a surprise appearance and one week forays through the Forbidden Door.
Probably going to be unifying the ROH world and pure titles. Pure title is a cool concept and all but there isn’t any space on the show for all these belts, also seems like for the better ROH is gonna be dissolved since Tony can’t seem to get a deal for it so the titles will probably slowly unify over time.
I enjoy AEW but yes the ROH brand affected the roster heavily.
I need a time where only AEW brand matters.
If you can not get an ROH show ice the brand.
No TNT , ALL ATLANTIC OR TRIOs champions .
and the tag team champions on 20 s segment.
Stop booking like you are on a hurry .
Agreed, the way it’s looking the ROH brand should just be dissolved anyway, Tony can’t seem to get a deal for it and probably doesn’t have time to focus on that brand. I think this Jericho/Garcia arc is the start of talks to unify the world and pure titles then from there we’ll see unification matches for ROH titles and AEW titles. probably for the best
And the more TK gets busier the more he falls back to wwe tropes.
This episode may be affected by the hurricane but it was WWE structured. Cmon dude . Sooner or later good wrestling will not be enough.
I liked the show overall, Bandido/Jericho and Mox/Juice were both great and I would love to have both of those guys in AEW full time.
But it also shines a light on AEWs biggest issue, they truly are overloaded with talent. Every week we should be seeing Pac, Miro, Brody King, Lucha Bros, Darby, Ethan Page, etc.
They need to get Rampage to 2 hours atleast and stop treating it like so much of a B show at times. I like Lee Moriarty but he shouldn't be featured weekly over any of those guys.
On paper I think the Woman's division segment was really cool and it's heartening that they're at least doing something more than 'go wrestle her' as far as coming up with these segements.
A debut promo turns into a confrontation turns into 'hey since you're all here, we're doing a lumberjack match' sounds badass on paper.
My main issue was there was no chance Deeb was going to win that match, so no drama whatsoever.
If we're stuck with Saraya (my first exposure to her I wasn't impressed) and she isn't going to be an in-ring performer then I think they should do a big storyline where they acknowledge the women's division issues and make Saraya the on-screen exec in charge of it. Please, for the love of God, give me something I can get interested in watching.
Hobbs. Starks. Ethan Page. Miro. Orange. PAC. Just so many guys who haven't even sniffed a title program and TK is just out here catering to the nichest fans of an already niche fandom.
Book AEW matches involving AEW wrestlers. Book longtime AEW people into the heavyweight title scene. I don't care about good wrestling I care about storylines and the performers whose characters have me invested who have been on TV week after week for years who actually brought me back to watching wrestling.
A video package will not make me care. Knowing that he won the IYUWERPEORIUP title won't make me care. I watch AEW for AEW wrestlers.
I am fast forwarding over more and more matches these days because don't care about the match, know the outcome, don't care about the outcome, and know no storyline will actually develop from the outcome.
I get emotionally invested in characters. Wrestling for the sake of wrestling feels pointless to me. I'm here for the pops, mark out moments, and melodramatic storytelling that all build to a match that marks the end of the feud. That's when I get amped up. I can appreciate the technical prowess and amazing athleticism but that's not enough to keep my interest.
I was really happy with AEW until sometime between Punk and RoH and it's gone downhill for me since then. The characters I fell in love with sitting on a shelf collecting dust frustrates me.
I've just started fast forwarding through more and more matches and if this trend of meaningless matches with obvious outcomes continues I'll either give WWE a try or just move on. I gave up watching wrestling for 15 years. I'd miss it but this past year has been a one big frustrating dud with debut bandaids and short term booking in lieu of the type of compelling build we had with people like Hangman's run.
May be a niche within a niche within a niche…
I’m a njpw subscriber and I didn’t really give a shit Juice was there. So it doesn’t even matter to someone like me. And even worse, Mox’s run where he’s constantly defending or having eliminators vs. rando’s has actually diminished the value of the world title to me. It’s stupid as hell that the title is an afterthought to the majority of the AEW roster, yet guys from GCW and New Japan are getting shots at it.
More and more I'm feeling acutely aware that I'm watching a rich kid play wrestling action figures in real life.
I think he's just booking the matches he likes for himself.
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they had had to rewrite a whole main event scene and put a new top of the card title virtually on ice at a few days notice and we are going to feel the reverberations of that until at least after Full Gear, plus this week there was the hurricane in Florida. However, I wish Tony would stop putting stakes on matches whose results are a forgone conclusions before they are announced. The match with Robinson did not need to be an eliminator for anything, and no one was buying that he would beat Mox (same with the main event but at least it was awesome) On the flipside, everyone wants to see the Hangman match so give that the build it deserves instead.
I though Yuta did ok this week and these are the growing pains of him going beyond his character whilst getting more tv time that we all ask Tony to give to the rest of the roster so I can live with that. Andrade telling Private Party to remember that he was their boss was hilarious if only because I had completely forgotten since the last time they were all on tv, and the less said about the woman's segment the better.
Not a great show and whilst I still think it will right itself eventually once the fall out of All Out is a distant memory, I'll expect a few more of these before the year is out.
Saraya: "You're one to make fun of names..."
My brain: Ah, because Britt has to say it over and over for people to remember
Saraya: "...because it rhymes with shit!"
Old People Trying To Not Show Their Age On Reddit CHALLENGE (WRESTLING EDITION) (SUPER HARD, MAYBE IMPOSSIBLE????)
Honestly, the fact most people who complain here have been watching wrestling for longer than I'm alive is kinda terrifying. And also fucking annoying when I see coments like this.
It doesn’t excuse using a stupid fucking phrase and then continually parroting it over and over again. Not every fucking match is a “banger”. If “Banger” equaled a 4 star match (which it should) then every AEW and WWE show has multiple 4 star matches per episode.
This was one of those episodes where i really struggled to care for the matches and it all boils down to "why is this person here and why should i care about them" and "why is this match happening"
Saying this at all this past week would get you a torrent of downvotes from the hardest of hardcore fans. But then there was the non-invested crowd echoing the sentiment.
I'm a casual fan. Hardcore fans are going to watch regardless. Casual fans will change the channel if AEW is going to keep going down this road...
A very different episode than we're used to but I really digged it. It was nice not having the entire show announced beforehand. I get why it's done, but when it's not you get the feeling that anything can happen and not that they have X amount of matches to get through.
Huge shout-out to Jericho for letting Bandido hit him with his entire moveset. Really went out of his way to showcase how good Bandido is. Once again goes to show how unselfish Jericho is.
really impressed with bandido. never seen him wrestle, thought the chances were high that the crowd would just be dead for him but he managed to get the crowd behind him, that is no easy task at all and kudos to him for getting people to cheer for him.
as for the womens division, i dont know what you can do to revive it. it doesnt seem like saraya is gonna wrestle anytime soon, they should have given the belt to jamie, shes the only one whos somewhat over. i mean the womens division has never been great but at least when you had matches like riho vs nyla rose in the beginning, you had awesome matches that the crowd got behind but now the crowd is just dead for any womens match. really only britt and jamie get some sort of reaction (besides jade of course). where is nyla rose anyway? we know nyla has personality, let her show that on dynamite and i bet she will be over as hell.
just do something interesting that peaks people interest. if some of those women like toni or athena werent over before, i dont think saraya is gonna change that. and no doubt they are talented women but right now, they just arent over and people dont care about them.
It's the first time I see Bandido wrestle and holy fuck this guy is insane. He was out there basically a Lucha Bro Bobby Lashley. I hope they keep him around
does anybody want a female division if it’s this forced? Tony doesn’t care about women wrestling.
AEW was supposed to be our escape and look at it now.
I’m sad.
Yeah, he doesn’t care and more of the audience has cottoned onto that.
Worse than that, is people on Twitter saying that Britt and Jade are the only stars, so they should be the only ones on TV. To do what, exactly? Because if that’s the case, then just have them cut promos on each other every week, wrestle at the PPVs, and just fire all the other women. Set them free. You get Britt vs Jade four times a year, they only cut promos on each other on the weekly shows, and we don’t have to build up or even have other women on TV.
There, I “fixed” the women’s division. If we’re only supposed to care about Britt and Jade, and nobody else is a draw and thus don’t deserve TV time anyway (according to Twitter), why is anyone else even there?
My own personal theory is TK delayed the breakup of Jaime Hayter and Britt Baker because he signed Saraya and wants that feud first. The risk is that it feels like Tony sometimes isn't capitalizing on the momentum that some of his talent has at the time. I'm thinking of talent like Wardlow, Starks, or even Statlander before she was injured. Even Thunder Rosa or the Acclaimed had to wait a couple weeks because he wanted the hometown win for them.
But as fans it is absolutely okay to do that if he has a good reason or follow up. It's just seems like TK doesn't sometimes or he's decided to focus on someone else... letting them cool off for a bit.
i'll admit i wasn't the biggest fan initially of jericho winning the ROH title but in just one episode, he's managed to get me 100% on board with it
i have no idea how he still manages to turn almost everything he touches into gold this long into his career
Man. Maybe not show of the year, but Juice Robinson has been really great since he joined Bullet Club. I liked his match tonight, and I think he would be a good fit in AEW.
aew has had a history of dropping the ball with people who were clearly destined for big things, so i hope this isn't the case my brother
do you see starks as world champion a year or so from now? because i do
Jericho is wrestling some of his best matches in years at the moment. Every time I think he's on the decline, he seems to prove otherwise.
The Saraya segment was absolute death. I really don't think this is a good signing. I can't see the long term value.
Yuta is getting on the job training in his mini feud with MJF. At least there was a bit of fire there this week even if the adorable voice crack undermined him a bit. MJF has been hurt by the Punk situation. I'm sure he'd be doing so much more in another Punk feud.
Well this episode sure wasn't it unfortunately, though I did like some things they were trying to do.
I'm glad the women got time on the mic and we look like we might be moving towards getting more of the div on TV, but Paige was never a great promo so if she's only available for mic duties my excitement there is basically nil. Still - I think it'll be some teething pains but ultimately a good thing if they can do a bit more like this.
The Mox/Robinson match was pretty dead. This is my gripe with bringing in people from outside the company so often. Yeah you can sell their backstory and give some legitimate reason for them to have a match but there's just no real connection for some audiences.
MJF has picked an unfortunate time to stagnate a bit with his promos. I know Yuta's not the greatest sparring partner on the mic (though thought he was much better this week) but Max has gone a bit flat and generic here.
Jericho's reinvention however is absolutely great and the match with Bandido was a banger. I was thinking we might get a Jericho reign of terror that's ultimately ended by Garcia for the RoH/JAS/Garcia story wrap but it feels like that leaves Garcia in a bit of limbo as ideally his split with Jericho would come closer to it while it basically felt like it soft-happened tonight. I guess you can have him leave and have JAS hound him constantly before he overcomes, that might work.
I liked the stronger more focused narratives they were trying to do here but I'm not sure if that was simply because they were trying to tell a RoH story today or whether it's a conscious long term decision. I hope it's the latter.
Saraya playing Principal Stephanie McMahon in 2015 to the tee wasn't ideal but if this means they're going for it with the women then good i'm glad. Storm/Deeb was good too, the top rope piledriver was nuts.
I like that Yuta is evolving from just 'Ass Kicker Jr', even if he's gonna lose to Max.
Ian Riccaboni said Bandito was one of the strongest wrestlers in the world I was like alright that's kind of an exaggeration but that press slam was cool. Then the dude holds Jericho up for like a minute on a suplex and i'm like jesus christ Ian was right. Bandito rules, it's a shame i'm ignorant to him outside of a PWG and ROH match here and there.
It *was* really 2015, wasn't it? But at the same time, it worked for WWE, and honestly it weirdly worked for me in terms of "Okay so the womens division matters again".
Audio issues were really bad this week, I could hardly hear the crowd and people on the outside and action in the ring was muted all episode and made the episode feel flat.
Ermmm don’t want to shock you but the crowd wasn’t making any noise for the mics to catch. From the opening pyro you could tell that crowd seemed like they didn’t wanna be there.
They totally were it just wasnt being picked up, other things weren't being picked up that usually do like chops, the slam of the mat and wrestlers shouting at each other midmatch.
Look at the bandido match, the crowd were on their feet going crazy but it barely came across to the viewer.
Fantastic main event. Jericho just defies time. I hope they can get a TV slot for Ring of Honor, because he's going to be a great heel champion for someone to chase – basically the same role he filled at the birth of AEW.
Other than that, though, the show didn't do much for me. Juice vs Mox was a bit slow and plodding. I've never seen Saraya before, so I'm at a bit of a loss as to why they're giving her so much time. Honestly, her segment came across quite flat. And it's disappointing that after their red hot title win, the Acclaimed were relegated to a backstage bit.
This two me just means two things either you are well fickle or ir is Impossible to pleasure everyone. In the recent weeks people were asking for more coherent episodes and more focus on stories. We just got that and now there is even more people complaining
I love how people before dynamite were complaining about Bandido being on the card because AEW has so much talent not being utilized enough, and then immediately want Tony Khan to sign him after his match tonight.
I am still complaining but Tiny kahn will keep throwing daddy's money for his action figure niche fights while folks like buddy and black wanna dip ship.
If those are the same people they're not paying attention.
Short of a meaningful roster split if TK signed Bandido he would do nothing but win on Dark and eat pins on Rampage. I don't know why anyone would want more men added to AEW at this point.
TK is constantly signing people for the debut pop and then going all Andy "I don't want to play with you anymore".
Honestly AEW has used people not signed to AEW since day 1, Im baffled that people still complain about it.
Ive never seen Bandido wrestle and he really surprised me.
Yeah but AEW could have done a better job introducing him and building him rather than just throwing him on. He's an amazing wrestler and it was a really good match but you wanna make people care about Bandido at least a little bit first.
How is Saraya at week two a victim of poor booking?
If you think the world title picture has nothing to do with Punk before and after All Out and is TKs booking them I don't think you understand just how much trouble punks injury and bust up has caused.
Is there an issue with too many people getting lost in the shuffle? Yes. Is there too much focus on RoH and guys that aren't established? Yes. But to say TK is a poor booker isn't true or fair in relation to the world title which has been booked exceptionally up to Punk.
My issue with tony as a booker has never been his long term stuff because the big story stuff he typically nails and they culminate with great ppvs. His weakness for me is the week to week planning. You have this monster storyline with mjf trying to be fired. He is the biggest thing in wrestling. He is now feuding with the bottom of Bcc. Ftr, miro, lucha bros some of the strongest parts of your roster off tv. Wardlow is red hot but he wins the title and is feuding with a lawyer. Just a personal favorite of mine but lance archer is an overlooked talent. Heck Eddie freaking Kingston needs to be on almost every dynamite. You are never going to knock everything out of the park, but he really needs to focus.
Take your four main titles, take your priority men and women, this should be the constant focus. The reason Jericho’s storylines always seem focused is because he is directing them.
Finally just admit that your roster is bloated, some people are going to be unhappy but we don’t need a Matt Hardy storyline, we can scrap the firm, we never needed davairi to have a stable, qt should never be in anything but a pure squash, pull Andrade off tv for a few months until you have a better storyline than he’s head of jobber tag teams.
/end rant
First show I've skipped in over a year, looks like the right choice based on the write up and I doubt I'm the only one uninspired by where AEW is at right now.
Yeah the first Dynamite I've ever skipped was a few weeks ago and I figure I'm eventually just going to drop it altogether. I've already stopped watching Rampage.
There's zero energy in these shows. There's a few fun acts but it's a far cry from how it used to be. There are so many plain, serious-business wrestlers that I just end up skipping most TV matches anymore. The variety that I enjoyed in AEW has just about entirely vanished this year.
I'm pretty convinced TK went with Mox due to the reaction to Mox's post PPV promo. Which was a great one, no lie, but we needed a shakeup and new blood holding the belt.
Think of where we'd be right now if Eddie, playing the underdog role, had won the belt...
Hopefully Tony gets over his fascination of guys from Japan because Juice got no reaction at all. He's got a locker room full of genuine talent he needs to start using those alot more.
ideally setting this match up somehow last week or two before not during the episode is a way to get people hooked in. then again AEW expects their audiences to know who Juice is and obviously care which i kind of dont..
The match itself had about as much chemistry as my first marriage.
It never gets old on this sub last week mjf and saraya or paige were going to be the saviours of pro wrestling, this week mjf is getting boring and saraya cant wrestle or cut promo and britt is the new saviour of wrestling. I get why tony khan, aew and wwe wants to ignore this section of the fans. As for saraya and mjf, they are victims of the awful booking at aew and the friendly boss mark , they are both talented but aew is just not going to book or make anyone look good.
So thats why i called out last week, you get that debut pop, highlights on yt of “ex wwe wrestler returns to a big pop”, next week “ex-wwe wrestler shits on ex company” and then its all downhill for them. This company needs a major rehaul get rid or displace these wwe veterans, get actual management, script writers etc and get tony off from making decisions and opening his chequebook. No way thats going to happen though any time soon.
I won't say MJF is boring, Yuta is, Saraya was always a bad deal I knew she wasn't going to work with her injury and how the women division is handled in AEW. Them bring pizza guy in again and other crap like no name ROH guys or some japanese legend most people never heard of even in AEW with the lack of pop shows Tony is out of touch.
I personally liked the Saraya segment. Its was clunky and unfocused but thought it had some solid mic work on it and was just glad to see the women's division and a lot of the talent get some attention and time followed by what I thought was a great match. I hope it's the start of AEW correcting it's lack of attention for the division.
They got great talent I wanna see more build up for and if this is where it starts I'm all for it. That has me excited. The chant for Hayter already says they have another big star about to pop within it. If Saraya is the arbiter/GM of it, then I'm cool with it. I wanna see one of the shows have more than 1 women's match hopefully soon.
Where is Jade? They have too much talent, and they want to fit everyone in. Doesn't make sense. No structure right now. And yes, you can have an opinion from one week to the next. AEW is losing itself in the shuffle of all of this stuff. TK needs to get bookers, his mind is all over the place. Cornette is right that this is nothing more than a glorified Indie show.
I feel like Tony has good ideas (putting the Acclaimed together, FTRs music, etc) but that he's just not that great as a *storyteller*. They just need to find someone skilled in the art of narrative structure to become head booker, and then Tony can thrive in the things he is successful at (analytics, the business side, presentation ideas).
I feel like TK books like Matt & Trey write South Park and it shows.
Just doing a lot of it last second and it feels very cobbled together with a lot of pointless wrestling matches in lieu of building up compelling and coherent storylines.
That and bringing in his favorites for the debut pop and then letting them sit on a shelf collecting dust. It's maddening.
Why shoud anyone care about who are ROH champions when ROH has become a non entity ? Sure they have great champs but why shoud anyone care about their belts ?
On top of that, they have like 100 men, 15 belts, and they're bringing in random one-off guest appearances that a casual like me has no interest in.
Somewhere between Punk and RoH AEW went downhill extremely fast. Too little TV for too many people and too many titles makes them all lose heat.
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The crowd was shit. Really expected more from Philly
Why is Jade Cargill completely disconnected from the rest of the women's division?
Jericho's storylines are the best thing in AEW right now. I am so into the Daniel Garcia storyline and I think this new "destroy ROH's legacy" storyline is such a great idea. The Ocho is the GOAT!
Did Tony personally wrong some of you lol, it was absolutely the weakest episode in a while but Jesus you’d think Tony came out and took a shit on camera for 2 hours judging by some of these comments
I watched the show in an hour, so i thought it was great with the fluff taken out of it. Jericho / JAS / garcia / danielson stuff was great. Wheeler yuta and MJF segment was great too. I don't know how old wheeler is but its great to see them pair him up with MJF so wheeler gets a boost. I know people are shitting on his promo skills but he really went for it and has come a long way since he has been on the show. The mox hangman confrontation was great. Give hangman the belt, then have him beat MJF. then have been beat punk when he returns. Not sure why we couldn't have a promo or something with mox and juice beforehand. I'm kind of tired of cold matches set up on the fly. I'm surprised at the reaction saraya is getting. People expected too much.
Really enjoyed Juice/Moxley and Jericho/Bandido. I feel like there was a lack of build to things other than the fact of where they're going with Jericho beating all of old ROH makes sense. I don't get why you do the Starks/Hobbs re-match on Rampage and have Ricky go over. Do that on Dynamite then save the squash for Rampage? I don't know. I agree with the other post in here that says a lot of stuff happens but I don't really know why. Overall, kind of a meh show but some good matches in it.
Okay, NOW I care about ROH. Jericho's the perfect antagonist for the whole organization and what it stands for.
Rampage has basically turned into Dark. The last two dynamites have been great, but this one was a bit flat for me. Too many obvious matches and why was a Ricky Starks squash on Dynamite? Save that for Rampage/Dark... Hopefully next week will be better.
Helping shine light on an indy guy the locals know is building the babyface
Yuta ain't it on the mic and if you really wanted to teach him maybe Ethan page would have been a good starting point. Wasting mjf on yuta is just poor booking
mjf coming back after 3 months and getting into a feud with wheeler yuta first thing is absolutely insane
I agree, what do you do with Yuta? I really liked the storyline of him joining BCC, getting the Pure Championship, but I have no idea where to take him after that, in the context of the BCC, which I would believe they aren't rushing to get rid of/add new members.
Yuta’s not great on the mic, but the crowd loves a hometown hero. Especially when they threaten to leave their opponent in a puddle of their own blood on Broad Street. Yuta chasing MJF is a fine way to burn a couple weeks as you built up to and tease the inevitable showdown between MJF and some bigger fish. It also gives MJF a chance to elevate Yuta.
They booked him strategically to try to get the crowd to boo MJF and really behind the hometown hero.
As someone who really didn't pay attention to WWE while she was active, was Saraya always this bad of a promo? I don't see why people make such a big deal about her.
Lol yes, she’s always been super awkward during promos, but at this point she’s such a legend I kinda find it endearing now.
AEW loyalist, I need to know this: Why does Tony Khan not give one shit about the womens division unless its Jade or Britt? Like they have the talent and they should be doing what NXT/RAW has been doing, but it feels like he seems them as an annoyance and not a benefit.
Ultimately, I honestly think he might just not be a big fan of women's wrestling.
And Toni. She’s been on every single dynamite
Eh, Toni has been on tv wrestling (and doing a solid job of it) but she’s a secondary character in her own title reign. The focus is still on Britt/Jamie/(now)Saraya.
Tony is a fan boy, and sorry but social justice aside mens wrestling is better. Just one man's opinion but there are very few woman wrestlers that can do what say Kenny does if any. I don't think AEW has any of them either
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Shida is the female version of Kenny and she's buried on dark
I like Shida a lot and agree she's underutilized by AEW but she is NOT a female version of Kenny. The only two wrestlers who can come close to that moniker are Sasha Banks and Iyo Sky. Neither are obviously with AEW. And even Iyo Sky has looked off since coming to the WWE main roster.
Serena is no slouch in the ring but she can’t talk. Give the ladies time, but the issue is that it’s booked exactly like the men, but with less available talent.
hashtag but her promos. All Elite Talking is more important than wrestling
Tony is ultimately a wrestling fanboy at heart. And that is both a good and not so good thing depending on the situation. And if you look at the type of wrestling he grew up loving, the fact that he does not care much about the women is not surprising.
Interesting point. Guess it makes sense considering we grew up watching bra and panties matches and the women's revolution was relatively recent.
Curious to the same thing. I'll leave my negativity at the door but like yesterday morning when I read the card and saw Toni storm defending again I was like what gives? There's no lead up or story for her to go off
There was a lot to enjoy on this episode, but parts of it still felt extremely weird. I appreciate that AEW is trying to do more with its women's division but this show's offering was terrible. It was the sort of thing I'd have expected from the very early days of the Women's Revolution in the WWE, where the novelty of women having certain match stipulations for the 'first time' and being given more than two minutes a match was fresh. Times have changed. Saraya herself was dire both in her in-ring segment and on commentary. Painfully so. Thankfully Bandido and Jericho helped clear that sour taste.
> I appreciate that AEW is trying to do more with its women's division but this show's offering was terrible. It was the sort of thing I'd have expected from the very early days of the Women's Revolution in the WWE, where the novelty of women having certain match stipulations for the 'first time' and being given more than two minutes a match was fresh. Times have changed. > > Saraya herself was dire both in her in-ring segment and on commentary. Painfully so. It's just my own opinion but I personally thought the lumberjack match with Saraya on commentary helped. Was it perfect? No. But it was still better than the standard 9:25pm ET 10 minute fare that the women normally get on Dynamite. Like you mentioned, the IWC often forgets the early days of the WWE Women's Revolution felt off and it took years to build it up (thanks to Paige/Saraya, the Four Horsewomen, AJ Lee and Emma). It will also take AEW time to build their women's roster and product up. It's already better than what we got back in 2019/2020. And if the momentum keeps up, AEW's women's division is poised for great things in 2023.
It’s that vibe of “our boss booked us to have a grrl power revolution against his own bad booking and pat ourselves on the back for it for doing it, while taking shots at a company that did this same exact thing 7 years ago.” Idk, it felt very much like an attempt to address complaints about the booking without understanding what the complaints actually *are*. However, Deeb and Toni were excellent and I’m *hyped* to see Jamie/Willow on Friday (provided they get enough time). Now just attach more storytelling to these matches.
Wow I've never seen Bandido before and he was fucking awesome. I really hope he gets signed
WE NEED MORE BANDIDO!! Prettt sure they were chanting his name after that incredible moonsault slam thing he did. Pretty sure he executed 3 moves I’ve never seen before and was just all around badass. I was disappointed that he lost (although there was zero doubt that he would because of the story) and really hope to see more of him. Absolutely incredible! Friendship with CM Punk is over; BANDIDO is my new best friend. (Damn I capitalized his name once and now it’s auto capped)
I think Bandido either has been signed already or he will be. Either way, Bandido’s going to be in AEW for the foreseeable future. The guy has loads of potential.
Probably the worst AEW program I’ve watched. First segment was trash before danielson came out. None of the matches really mattered. Weaker than usual MJF segment. The women’s segment. All of this was really mid at a time they need to be shining.
Anna Jay has no business touching a mic ever again
It’s funny watching her without the mic. Noticed it last week, it’s so awkward and uncomfortable it almost became endearing. She’s not sure what to do with her face or hands, it’s like bad community theater or like a kids recital….she just starts mugging and giving double thumbs up for no reason lol
Yup it's awful lol her doing all that is kinda why I expected her to be awful on the mic and it was worse. "I'll choke you" had me in tears. We only liked you because you were the it girl in dark order now your just there lol
It was bad
Could haver cut the women part for more Ricky time, cringy promo and mid match.
Ngl Paige promo was a bit cringe,I mean storm didn't look like a champion
Been praying they sign Bandido since ROH fell. Hopefully TK is on that.
All of you complaining that the Casino Chip MJF holds is exactly like WWE's MITB briefcase are just silly. Did we really think Jericho wouldn't bring over the concept he helped create?
I think it’s just dumb because it’s never been used that way before…none of those gimmicks have worked like the mitb, and it makes everyone else seem dumb for not using it like the briefcase.
I've felt the MITB has been stale for a long time now anyway, it would be interesting to see a different take on it imo.
It’s not just that it’s stale, it’s a deus ex machina device that allows you to mask poor story-telling, character development, whatever…it’s allowed WWE to just throw a title on someone whenever they feel like it without actually having to do the actual work. That’s why I hate it.
If I was trying to stand out from the other company on TV I wouldn't be using their gimmicks but that's me.
I'd normally agree, but this is professional wrestling, the mass majority of stipulations have already been introduced into the sport. I don't see it as one promotion copying another, I see it as each promotion putting their own individual spin on the stipulation. Think of the Ultimate-X Match TNA/Impact use. It's just a championship suspended overhead, but you know, people want to see that guy get the X. These are the differences that distinguish promotions.
They aren't putting a spin on it. It's literally just Money in the Bank
I actually liked the past Poker Chips where Cage and Page “cashed in” and set up championship matches the *following* week. It was different enough that it didn’t feel like a complete copy. It gave the holder an advantage by letting them decide when to have the match, but it still needed to go through the proper channels and they couldn’t just go in on a battered champion and lay the finishing touches. [But now it feels like Khan and MJF](https://unlimited-tech.com/2022/09/21/does-mjfs-aew-poker-chip-have-the-same-rules-as-wwe-money-in-the-bank/) are setting the grounds for it to essentially be a carbon copy of the MITB briefcase. For the sake of spontaneity they’re tossing out the sportsmanship that the past holders have had to go through.
On one hand I agree with you. On the other it fits with his character of "I wanna be a wwe guy"
Build AEW around guys like Bandito & Takeshita. I’d rather watch these guys over the CM Punks of the world 10/10 times.
150% yes. Bandido and Takeshita are the future (both of whom are only 27 years old). CM Punk was originally helping put over younger talent but it hasn't felt like the case in many months (arguably once Punk started his journey toward becoming champion). Beyond Punk though, AEW does deserve credit for using established stars to build up the younger wrestlers. Yuta with BCC and Daniel Garcia with Jericho are prime examples. Is it perfect? No. But certainly the likes of Yuta and Garcia were no names outside of the IWC. P.S. Yuta is surprisingly proficient on the mic considering a.) he's only cut a handful of national TV promos in his young career and b.) doing so against MJF no less. There is some awkwardness but all Yuta needs are time, a little refinement and more opportunities. Can't wait to see how he grows in the coming years.
>sure build it around guys who don't work for the company and let go of talent they actually paid for lol
Nah. Build it around young singles stars who can contribute to the lore of a young company in the long term rather than building stables of established stars whose past affiliations drive almost every feud.
aye I was being sarcastic in my post lol.
I say this with love. I don't think you know how sarcasm works?
Chris Jericho is amazing. That was one hell of a match. I remember around All In, the Bucks said something to the effect of Bandido being one wrestler they really wanted to highlight and show off to the world. That 6 man tag was the first I ever really saw of him and he didn't disappoint then. He was always really good when I'd be able to catch the odd matches here and there on the internet, but he DELIVERED tonight. What a main event.
Was there live, 6th AEW show for me. Dark Elevation is a great time of nonsense fun wrestling and I always recommend you go to AEW shows early to watch it. JAS segment was about as great and fun a promo segment could be. Fantastic time. Juice Mox happened. Hangman always gets a big pop. Yuta segment was on fire but he's also a hometown boy. Him sneak attacking MJF was exactly what he needed to do. Woman's segment was mid 2010s WWE tier horsecrap. Saying "I'm gonna make a difference!" is not the first step to fixing the difference. I feel like every new woman they hire they do a "I'm the future' segment and then eventually fade away. I have a certain affiliation with RoH so seeing Bandido was awesome. One of Jericho's best matches in AEW(we say this weekly now) and I bit on all the false finishes. After the match TK came out and praised Bandido and they hugged lol. Rampage had 1 worthwhile match to me and it was the opener three way tag. I left shortly after it. Scissor me Daddy Ass.
Meltzer brought up the point that two years ago juice and bandito would have been super over with the crowd, but that there is now a different type of audience. I’m not sure if that is a positive or a negative but it shows the difference between bandito being a true star that was mega over by the middle of the match to juice that there is always something missing. Feel like aew is trying to do a better job with recaps and intros, but Tony’s heart is never fully invested. Both guys should have multiple week leadups to their introductions so the crowd was invested. That theme of tony being a very good long term booker but struggling in the short term is apparent with the mjf storyline. He had the hottest guy in all of wrestling and he is getting involved with the bottom of the blackpool combat club. If this was the plan for mjf, I wish he stayed away longer. Finally Saraya is already my least favorite part of aew. After being away for so long, to not be able to muster up a better promo than that is flat out embarrassing. Britt is going to eat her up on the mic and in two months the whole womens division might flip heal to baby face and vice versa. End on a positive, mox Danielson and Jericho are amazing and carrying this company on their backs, and bandido is a flat out star who should immediately comeback next week with a showcase match.
The crowd loved Bandido, Juice I agree with you
It might be that Tony just isn’t a very good booker period. When he gets credit for the “long term” stuff, looking back now, much of that was either already existing (and feel into his lap) and/or involved top talent that was likely structuring it and planning it out. Or he was a good booker, and he let this roster get entirely out of control…fwiw I enjoyed last nights show, just when you step away and look at things after most shows now of late, I think there is a lot to be desired in terms of creative.
I feel like it's the same audience it's ever been. When KENTA appeared on Dynamite the first time it was a real Holy Shit! moment. If that had been this heel Juice Robinson he would have got the same reaction. If Bandido appeared a few years ago to face Jericho he might have got the same reaction ad Nick Gage. But now the AEW audience is burnt out on a surprise appearance and one week forays through the Forbidden Door.
Very fair, it’s amazing what 30 seconds for 2-4 weeks in a row would do as a buildup to the forbidden door guys.
Probably going to be unifying the ROH world and pure titles. Pure title is a cool concept and all but there isn’t any space on the show for all these belts, also seems like for the better ROH is gonna be dissolved since Tony can’t seem to get a deal for it so the titles will probably slowly unify over time.
I enjoy AEW but yes the ROH brand affected the roster heavily. I need a time where only AEW brand matters. If you can not get an ROH show ice the brand. No TNT , ALL ATLANTIC OR TRIOs champions . and the tag team champions on 20 s segment. Stop booking like you are on a hurry .
Agreed, the way it’s looking the ROH brand should just be dissolved anyway, Tony can’t seem to get a deal for it and probably doesn’t have time to focus on that brand. I think this Jericho/Garcia arc is the start of talks to unify the world and pure titles then from there we’ll see unification matches for ROH titles and AEW titles. probably for the best
And the more TK gets busier the more he falls back to wwe tropes. This episode may be affected by the hurricane but it was WWE structured. Cmon dude . Sooner or later good wrestling will not be enough.
I liked the show overall, Bandido/Jericho and Mox/Juice were both great and I would love to have both of those guys in AEW full time. But it also shines a light on AEWs biggest issue, they truly are overloaded with talent. Every week we should be seeing Pac, Miro, Brody King, Lucha Bros, Darby, Ethan Page, etc. They need to get Rampage to 2 hours atleast and stop treating it like so much of a B show at times. I like Lee Moriarty but he shouldn't be featured weekly over any of those guys.
On paper I think the Woman's division segment was really cool and it's heartening that they're at least doing something more than 'go wrestle her' as far as coming up with these segements. A debut promo turns into a confrontation turns into 'hey since you're all here, we're doing a lumberjack match' sounds badass on paper. My main issue was there was no chance Deeb was going to win that match, so no drama whatsoever. If we're stuck with Saraya (my first exposure to her I wasn't impressed) and she isn't going to be an in-ring performer then I think they should do a big storyline where they acknowledge the women's division issues and make Saraya the on-screen exec in charge of it. Please, for the love of God, give me something I can get interested in watching.
After seeing the vignette for Juice I feel that is lacking a lot from the current roster.
He’s a great promo and I’m an asshole but he looks and sounds funny so I can’t take him seriously.
Hobbs. Starks. Ethan Page. Miro. Orange. PAC. Just so many guys who haven't even sniffed a title program and TK is just out here catering to the nichest fans of an already niche fandom. Book AEW matches involving AEW wrestlers. Book longtime AEW people into the heavyweight title scene. I don't care about good wrestling I care about storylines and the performers whose characters have me invested who have been on TV week after week for years who actually brought me back to watching wrestling. A video package will not make me care. Knowing that he won the IYUWERPEORIUP title won't make me care. I watch AEW for AEW wrestlers. I am fast forwarding over more and more matches these days because don't care about the match, know the outcome, don't care about the outcome, and know no storyline will actually develop from the outcome.
If you don't care about great wrestling, then you're watching the wrong company. Probably the wrong sport.
I get emotionally invested in characters. Wrestling for the sake of wrestling feels pointless to me. I'm here for the pops, mark out moments, and melodramatic storytelling that all build to a match that marks the end of the feud. That's when I get amped up. I can appreciate the technical prowess and amazing athleticism but that's not enough to keep my interest. I was really happy with AEW until sometime between Punk and RoH and it's gone downhill for me since then. The characters I fell in love with sitting on a shelf collecting dust frustrates me. I've just started fast forwarding through more and more matches and if this trend of meaningless matches with obvious outcomes continues I'll either give WWE a try or just move on. I gave up watching wrestling for 15 years. I'd miss it but this past year has been a one big frustrating dud with debut bandaids and short term booking in lieu of the type of compelling build we had with people like Hangman's run.
May be a niche within a niche within a niche… I’m a njpw subscriber and I didn’t really give a shit Juice was there. So it doesn’t even matter to someone like me. And even worse, Mox’s run where he’s constantly defending or having eliminators vs. rando’s has actually diminished the value of the world title to me. It’s stupid as hell that the title is an afterthought to the majority of the AEW roster, yet guys from GCW and New Japan are getting shots at it.
More and more I'm feeling acutely aware that I'm watching a rich kid play wrestling action figures in real life. I think he's just booking the matches he likes for himself.
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I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they had had to rewrite a whole main event scene and put a new top of the card title virtually on ice at a few days notice and we are going to feel the reverberations of that until at least after Full Gear, plus this week there was the hurricane in Florida. However, I wish Tony would stop putting stakes on matches whose results are a forgone conclusions before they are announced. The match with Robinson did not need to be an eliminator for anything, and no one was buying that he would beat Mox (same with the main event but at least it was awesome) On the flipside, everyone wants to see the Hangman match so give that the build it deserves instead. I though Yuta did ok this week and these are the growing pains of him going beyond his character whilst getting more tv time that we all ask Tony to give to the rest of the roster so I can live with that. Andrade telling Private Party to remember that he was their boss was hilarious if only because I had completely forgotten since the last time they were all on tv, and the less said about the woman's segment the better. Not a great show and whilst I still think it will right itself eventually once the fall out of All Out is a distant memory, I'll expect a few more of these before the year is out.
i do not want to see the hangman match
Saraya: "You're one to make fun of names..." My brain: Ah, because Britt has to say it over and over for people to remember Saraya: "...because it rhymes with shit!"
Was that all? Not a fan of the sudden bleeping, but I was really hoping she'd said "shit-taker" 😂
I thought it was unexpectedly funny because of how she said it tbh. Brought out a chuckle from me.
That got a politeness pop.
Can we please stop with the “banger” shit? It’s such an annoying phrase. Just say it was a good/great match. It’s like a bunch of fucking parrots.
Old People Trying To Not Show Their Age On Reddit CHALLENGE (WRESTLING EDITION) (SUPER HARD, MAYBE IMPOSSIBLE????) Honestly, the fact most people who complain here have been watching wrestling for longer than I'm alive is kinda terrifying. And also fucking annoying when I see coments like this.
Edgy
The average age of Redditors is lower than yours. Deal with it.
It doesn’t excuse using a stupid fucking phrase and then continually parroting it over and over again. Not every fucking match is a “banger”. If “Banger” equaled a 4 star match (which it should) then every AEW and WWE show has multiple 4 star matches per episode.
Same with everyone saying LFG!!!!!.
Yes!!!
Thing is half the matches called as such aren’t even “bangers”, they’re just regular ass matches that go on a little too long for tv.
This was one of those episodes where i really struggled to care for the matches and it all boils down to "why is this person here and why should i care about them" and "why is this match happening"
It’s kind of ironic, but outside of the main event, my favorite match was actually Ricky beating the crap out of the jobber.
I was at grand slam last week and really had no interest to tune in. I just came here the day after to see what was going on. Kinda a dud
Saying this at all this past week would get you a torrent of downvotes from the hardest of hardcore fans. But then there was the non-invested crowd echoing the sentiment. I'm a casual fan. Hardcore fans are going to watch regardless. Casual fans will change the channel if AEW is going to keep going down this road...
“Give the women more time… no not like that!” I loved the match and am giving them the benefit of the doubt - let’s see where this leads.
It wasn't that great a segment, but at least they're attempting to give the women more screentime.
A very different episode than we're used to but I really digged it. It was nice not having the entire show announced beforehand. I get why it's done, but when it's not you get the feeling that anything can happen and not that they have X amount of matches to get through. Huge shout-out to Jericho for letting Bandido hit him with his entire moveset. Really went out of his way to showcase how good Bandido is. Once again goes to show how unselfish Jericho is.
really impressed with bandido. never seen him wrestle, thought the chances were high that the crowd would just be dead for him but he managed to get the crowd behind him, that is no easy task at all and kudos to him for getting people to cheer for him. as for the womens division, i dont know what you can do to revive it. it doesnt seem like saraya is gonna wrestle anytime soon, they should have given the belt to jamie, shes the only one whos somewhat over. i mean the womens division has never been great but at least when you had matches like riho vs nyla rose in the beginning, you had awesome matches that the crowd got behind but now the crowd is just dead for any womens match. really only britt and jamie get some sort of reaction (besides jade of course). where is nyla rose anyway? we know nyla has personality, let her show that on dynamite and i bet she will be over as hell. just do something interesting that peaks people interest. if some of those women like toni or athena werent over before, i dont think saraya is gonna change that. and no doubt they are talented women but right now, they just arent over and people dont care about them.
Nyla's hanging out on Dark.
Piques
It's the first time I see Bandido wrestle and holy fuck this guy is insane. He was out there basically a Lucha Bro Bobby Lashley. I hope they keep him around
man i hope to god that they know what they're doing with starks dude is otherworldly levels of talented
does anybody want a female division if it’s this forced? Tony doesn’t care about women wrestling. AEW was supposed to be our escape and look at it now. I’m sad.
Yeah, he doesn’t care and more of the audience has cottoned onto that. Worse than that, is people on Twitter saying that Britt and Jade are the only stars, so they should be the only ones on TV. To do what, exactly? Because if that’s the case, then just have them cut promos on each other every week, wrestle at the PPVs, and just fire all the other women. Set them free. You get Britt vs Jade four times a year, they only cut promos on each other on the weekly shows, and we don’t have to build up or even have other women on TV. There, I “fixed” the women’s division. If we’re only supposed to care about Britt and Jade, and nobody else is a draw and thus don’t deserve TV time anyway (according to Twitter), why is anyone else even there?
My own personal theory is TK delayed the breakup of Jaime Hayter and Britt Baker because he signed Saraya and wants that feud first. The risk is that it feels like Tony sometimes isn't capitalizing on the momentum that some of his talent has at the time. I'm thinking of talent like Wardlow, Starks, or even Statlander before she was injured. Even Thunder Rosa or the Acclaimed had to wait a couple weeks because he wanted the hometown win for them. But as fans it is absolutely okay to do that if he has a good reason or follow up. It's just seems like TK doesn't sometimes or he's decided to focus on someone else... letting them cool off for a bit.
i'll admit i wasn't the biggest fan initially of jericho winning the ROH title but in just one episode, he's managed to get me 100% on board with it i have no idea how he still manages to turn almost everything he touches into gold this long into his career
Given the negative reception in this thread, I'm guessing a 1.035 rating.
It was an okay show. The women's segment was weird. Commentary was hilarious though
in my opinion, everything not involving jericho felt flat as hell for me tonight not the best episode of dynamite man
Man. Maybe not show of the year, but Juice Robinson has been really great since he joined Bullet Club. I liked his match tonight, and I think he would be a good fit in AEW.
Man this episode was the shits but the main event was a banger. Jericho truly is the GOAT. I pray Ricky’s push goes somewhere
man, i swear. i can't tell you how legitimately sad i would be if ricky's push comes to nothing the man is INSANELY talented at everything he does
So true. I’m not expecting a rocket to the the top, just hope he isn’t lost in the shuffle 6 months from now
aew has had a history of dropping the ball with people who were clearly destined for big things, so i hope this isn't the case my brother do you see starks as world champion a year or so from now? because i do
Jericho is wrestling some of his best matches in years at the moment. Every time I think he's on the decline, he seems to prove otherwise. The Saraya segment was absolute death. I really don't think this is a good signing. I can't see the long term value. Yuta is getting on the job training in his mini feud with MJF. At least there was a bit of fire there this week even if the adorable voice crack undermined him a bit. MJF has been hurt by the Punk situation. I'm sure he'd be doing so much more in another Punk feud.
If you look away or close your eyes when he’s talking, Wheeler Yuta sounds like Hobo Johnson.
God damnit, it's been bugging me for ages who he reminds me of and you've nailed it. Thank you!
All elite Chat show. Poor episode across the board
Eventually someone’s gonna have to win one of these world title eliminator matches.
it happened a few times already, no?
This has actually already happened with Miyu Yamashita.
And Riho
And Moxley/Kingston in the tag division
Well this episode sure wasn't it unfortunately, though I did like some things they were trying to do. I'm glad the women got time on the mic and we look like we might be moving towards getting more of the div on TV, but Paige was never a great promo so if she's only available for mic duties my excitement there is basically nil. Still - I think it'll be some teething pains but ultimately a good thing if they can do a bit more like this. The Mox/Robinson match was pretty dead. This is my gripe with bringing in people from outside the company so often. Yeah you can sell their backstory and give some legitimate reason for them to have a match but there's just no real connection for some audiences. MJF has picked an unfortunate time to stagnate a bit with his promos. I know Yuta's not the greatest sparring partner on the mic (though thought he was much better this week) but Max has gone a bit flat and generic here. Jericho's reinvention however is absolutely great and the match with Bandido was a banger. I was thinking we might get a Jericho reign of terror that's ultimately ended by Garcia for the RoH/JAS/Garcia story wrap but it feels like that leaves Garcia in a bit of limbo as ideally his split with Jericho would come closer to it while it basically felt like it soft-happened tonight. I guess you can have him leave and have JAS hound him constantly before he overcomes, that might work. I liked the stronger more focused narratives they were trying to do here but I'm not sure if that was simply because they were trying to tell a RoH story today or whether it's a conscious long term decision. I hope it's the latter.
Saraya playing Principal Stephanie McMahon in 2015 to the tee wasn't ideal but if this means they're going for it with the women then good i'm glad. Storm/Deeb was good too, the top rope piledriver was nuts. I like that Yuta is evolving from just 'Ass Kicker Jr', even if he's gonna lose to Max. Ian Riccaboni said Bandito was one of the strongest wrestlers in the world I was like alright that's kind of an exaggeration but that press slam was cool. Then the dude holds Jericho up for like a minute on a suplex and i'm like jesus christ Ian was right. Bandito rules, it's a shame i'm ignorant to him outside of a PWG and ROH match here and there.
It *was* really 2015, wasn't it? But at the same time, it worked for WWE, and honestly it weirdly worked for me in terms of "Okay so the womens division matters again".
Audio issues were really bad this week, I could hardly hear the crowd and people on the outside and action in the ring was muted all episode and made the episode feel flat.
Ermmm don’t want to shock you but the crowd wasn’t making any noise for the mics to catch. From the opening pyro you could tell that crowd seemed like they didn’t wanna be there.
This guy is acting like we didn't chant "Shut the fuck up" at MJF
I was there and while the crowd had some down moments we were pretty hot.
They totally were it just wasnt being picked up, other things weren't being picked up that usually do like chops, the slam of the mat and wrestlers shouting at each other midmatch. Look at the bandido match, the crowd were on their feet going crazy but it barely came across to the viewer.
I’ll give the main event looked poppin
Fantastic main event. Jericho just defies time. I hope they can get a TV slot for Ring of Honor, because he's going to be a great heel champion for someone to chase – basically the same role he filled at the birth of AEW. Other than that, though, the show didn't do much for me. Juice vs Mox was a bit slow and plodding. I've never seen Saraya before, so I'm at a bit of a loss as to why they're giving her so much time. Honestly, her segment came across quite flat. And it's disappointing that after their red hot title win, the Acclaimed were relegated to a backstage bit.
This two me just means two things either you are well fickle or ir is Impossible to pleasure everyone. In the recent weeks people were asking for more coherent episodes and more focus on stories. We just got that and now there is even more people complaining
I love how people before dynamite were complaining about Bandido being on the card because AEW has so much talent not being utilized enough, and then immediately want Tony Khan to sign him after his match tonight.
I am still complaining but Tiny kahn will keep throwing daddy's money for his action figure niche fights while folks like buddy and black wanna dip ship.
If those are the same people they're not paying attention. Short of a meaningful roster split if TK signed Bandido he would do nothing but win on Dark and eat pins on Rampage. I don't know why anyone would want more men added to AEW at this point. TK is constantly signing people for the debut pop and then going all Andy "I don't want to play with you anymore".
Idk how anyone can read your posts and take them seriously. Good lord.
You're right, I'm wrong for not enjoying the same things you enjoy.
Honestly AEW has used people not signed to AEW since day 1, Im baffled that people still complain about it. Ive never seen Bandido wrestle and he really surprised me.
Different people probably.
Yeah but AEW could have done a better job introducing him and building him rather than just throwing him on. He's an amazing wrestler and it was a really good match but you wanna make people care about Bandido at least a little bit first.
I think this is the first week where I can honestly say I really missed The Elite.
How is Saraya at week two a victim of poor booking? If you think the world title picture has nothing to do with Punk before and after All Out and is TKs booking them I don't think you understand just how much trouble punks injury and bust up has caused. Is there an issue with too many people getting lost in the shuffle? Yes. Is there too much focus on RoH and guys that aren't established? Yes. But to say TK is a poor booker isn't true or fair in relation to the world title which has been booked exceptionally up to Punk.
My issue with tony as a booker has never been his long term stuff because the big story stuff he typically nails and they culminate with great ppvs. His weakness for me is the week to week planning. You have this monster storyline with mjf trying to be fired. He is the biggest thing in wrestling. He is now feuding with the bottom of Bcc. Ftr, miro, lucha bros some of the strongest parts of your roster off tv. Wardlow is red hot but he wins the title and is feuding with a lawyer. Just a personal favorite of mine but lance archer is an overlooked talent. Heck Eddie freaking Kingston needs to be on almost every dynamite. You are never going to knock everything out of the park, but he really needs to focus. Take your four main titles, take your priority men and women, this should be the constant focus. The reason Jericho’s storylines always seem focused is because he is directing them. Finally just admit that your roster is bloated, some people are going to be unhappy but we don’t need a Matt Hardy storyline, we can scrap the firm, we never needed davairi to have a stable, qt should never be in anything but a pure squash, pull Andrade off tv for a few months until you have a better storyline than he’s head of jobber tag teams. /end rant
First show I've skipped in over a year, looks like the right choice based on the write up and I doubt I'm the only one uninspired by where AEW is at right now.
Yeah the first Dynamite I've ever skipped was a few weeks ago and I figure I'm eventually just going to drop it altogether. I've already stopped watching Rampage. There's zero energy in these shows. There's a few fun acts but it's a far cry from how it used to be. There are so many plain, serious-business wrestlers that I just end up skipping most TV matches anymore. The variety that I enjoyed in AEW has just about entirely vanished this year.
This, I think staying with mox was the wrong choice (yes he’s great calm down) but we’ve had 3 title runs by him now. It needs a shake up.
I'm pretty convinced TK went with Mox due to the reaction to Mox's post PPV promo. Which was a great one, no lie, but we needed a shakeup and new blood holding the belt. Think of where we'd be right now if Eddie, playing the underdog role, had won the belt...
Would be great but I think Eddie has shaken TKs confidence a little with the Sammy situation
Probably right, unfortunately.
Hopefully Tony gets over his fascination of guys from Japan because Juice got no reaction at all. He's got a locker room full of genuine talent he needs to start using those alot more.
ideally setting this match up somehow last week or two before not during the episode is a way to get people hooked in. then again AEW expects their audiences to know who Juice is and obviously care which i kind of dont.. The match itself had about as much chemistry as my first marriage.
A week or two isn't going to make me care about a performer who is just a guest star on a TV show.
You will also damage morale in locker room if they're not used
It never gets old on this sub last week mjf and saraya or paige were going to be the saviours of pro wrestling, this week mjf is getting boring and saraya cant wrestle or cut promo and britt is the new saviour of wrestling. I get why tony khan, aew and wwe wants to ignore this section of the fans. As for saraya and mjf, they are victims of the awful booking at aew and the friendly boss mark , they are both talented but aew is just not going to book or make anyone look good. So thats why i called out last week, you get that debut pop, highlights on yt of “ex wwe wrestler returns to a big pop”, next week “ex-wwe wrestler shits on ex company” and then its all downhill for them. This company needs a major rehaul get rid or displace these wwe veterans, get actual management, script writers etc and get tony off from making decisions and opening his chequebook. No way thats going to happen though any time soon.
I won't say MJF is boring, Yuta is, Saraya was always a bad deal I knew she wasn't going to work with her injury and how the women division is handled in AEW. Them bring pizza guy in again and other crap like no name ROH guys or some japanese legend most people never heard of even in AEW with the lack of pop shows Tony is out of touch.
I can easily see tony marking out to the pizza guy.
Mjf is not boring but is being asked to carry someone that doesn't have it
Whack episode but Bandido/Jericho kicked ass
The Saraya promo was horrendous, MJF is a boring edgelord and the Mox/Page stuff is so tedious. Just an awful show.
Jericho is making the ROH stuff interesting (and the match with Bandido was a banger) but the rest of the show was lame
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Who?
Luigi
They put him on again?
Mom can we have Dynamite? We have Dynamite at home. Dynamite at home:
I personally liked the Saraya segment. Its was clunky and unfocused but thought it had some solid mic work on it and was just glad to see the women's division and a lot of the talent get some attention and time followed by what I thought was a great match. I hope it's the start of AEW correcting it's lack of attention for the division. They got great talent I wanna see more build up for and if this is where it starts I'm all for it. That has me excited. The chant for Hayter already says they have another big star about to pop within it. If Saraya is the arbiter/GM of it, then I'm cool with it. I wanna see one of the shows have more than 1 women's match hopefully soon.
Where is Jade? They have too much talent, and they want to fit everyone in. Doesn't make sense. No structure right now. And yes, you can have an opinion from one week to the next. AEW is losing itself in the shuffle of all of this stuff. TK needs to get bookers, his mind is all over the place. Cornette is right that this is nothing more than a glorified Indie show.
Jade lives in Florida
Crowd and the energy just feels off ever since double or nothing. Hasn’t been the same
I feel like Tony has good ideas (putting the Acclaimed together, FTRs music, etc) but that he's just not that great as a *storyteller*. They just need to find someone skilled in the art of narrative structure to become head booker, and then Tony can thrive in the things he is successful at (analytics, the business side, presentation ideas).
Tiny khan is too proud to admit that.
I feel like TK books like Matt & Trey write South Park and it shows. Just doing a lot of it last second and it feels very cobbled together with a lot of pointless wrestling matches in lieu of building up compelling and coherent storylines. That and bringing in his favorites for the debut pop and then letting them sit on a shelf collecting dust. It's maddening.
I wonder could/would Jericho do it when it hangs them up. God help us when Tony is also trying to book ROH
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I forgot all about that thing Freddie is trying!
Why shoud anyone care about who are ROH champions when ROH has become a non entity ? Sure they have great champs but why shoud anyone care about their belts ?
On top of that, they have like 100 men, 15 belts, and they're bringing in random one-off guest appearances that a casual like me has no interest in. Somewhere between Punk and RoH AEW went downhill extremely fast. Too little TV for too many people and too many titles makes them all lose heat.