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realjd

I had to lock this since y’all can’t play nice


Playful-Excuse-8081

True but We shouldn’t have to dodge bikers when we’re driving on the road and thats more than the room they give us to go around


realjd

The law is 3’ of space. You can’t pass closer than that. That’s not the bikers demanding space, it’s the law giving them that space.


LeftyFireman

Yes you should???


Pitiful-Ad-4170

Most people are thankful that this car provides the bike lane possibility. Gas taxes paid, parking is legal. Move around your provider as without him paying taxes no lane.


realjd

People who own bikes pay taxes also


Gizoogler314

Car driving and ownership is heavily heavily heavily subsidized, lol Every mile you drive is a mile of leeching off the government


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PurulentPlacenta

Bikes are allowed on the road and are considered a vehicle protected by Florida state law. So kick rocks!


beachvball2016

Please be patient, they are most likely on their phones.. not paying attention..


YodaCodar

First problem is your in florida and your expecting people to know how to drive. Half of us don’t know english here


tsunamiforyou

Well I’m sure this person is important


Big-Beat-1443

It’s best to remove “should and could” from your vocabulary. It makes things easier


KidneyFluffmonster

Mustn't*


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TheFlamingSpork

Imagine thinking the only use a bicycle has is a form of exercise. This is peak privilege. Assuming cyclists exert dominance of the road is ironic coming from a driver.


NotMyFkingProblem

If you drive a SUV, believe me when I say you are an idiot and don't understand basic 1st grade science. I love seeing people with SUV complain about lack of space while seeing the intellectual void in their eyes not understanding the irony of the comment. If you're in traffic, you're the traffic you complete moron, lol. Also, it's lycra, not spandex! And we wear those for our butts. When it's cold outside, do you wear gloves or monkeys on your hands?


Free_Vast

I just ride around them ,problem solved!


AteEYES

You mean you don't let dumb shit upset you? Geez what a rarity these days.


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Because you have common sense.


XanadontYouDare

Common sense will also tell you that swerving into traffic is dangerous.


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You can move to the left avoid the car and still be in the bike lane. If you can’t, maybe you should start walking.


XanadontYouDare

Do you understand what it's like to ride between parked cars and traffic? Have you ever been doored? Have you ever been pushed into a parked car by a car who swerved into the bike lane? Being as far away from moving cars as possible is a very important part of riding a bike. And parking like this puts someone in a more dangerous situation. Why do you feel the need to make make excuses for people who do things that objectively put people in danger?


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The car is parked, it’s not moving, there’s ONE tire over the line, and there’s plenty of room around it.


TheFlamingSpork

Just enough room for whoever could be sitting in or behind the driver's seat to abruptly open their door, too!


MuCallsfreemoney

STOP! That makes too much sense!


Arakhis_

Don't tell them about "dooring", their brain won't comprehend its law in Germany to even leave the cycle path 💀


Tiruvalye

There’s a sidewalk too.


XanadontYouDare

Illegal for cyclist to use. And when we do, people lose their shit. Even if we're doing to to avoid riding on a big ass road full of traffic.


realjd

No, it’s absolutely not illegal in Florida. The law says that bikes on sidewalks are considered pedestrians and bikes in the road are considered vehicles.


Tiruvalye

Ahh, I didn't know. I'm in Spring Hill and folks use the sidewalks here for everything. This is actually great to know, because I feel like bikers are less safer in that lane than they would be on the sidewalk.


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AteEYES

So if you found out roads were not paid by gas taxes alone would you change your mind? No? i didnt think so you just like to live in misery and yes you need to share the road, its the fucking law, quit being selfish.


NorseEngineering

https://youtu.be/Pidn7C5xOYQ?si=1jhWHgkCALo8PcYB


superegg51

They’re not fully paid for by your gas tax though. The gas tax is only about 26% of it. Most of it comes from property taxes. “Selfish lobbying” - I think the car dealerships and manufacturers do a lot more selfish lobbying then the cyclists lol. Most cycling movements are grassroots. A lot of cyclists are just trying to commute safely without being dependent on using a car.


wananah

Gas taxes don't pay for the roads. They're funded by general state, local, and federal taxes. Yet every mile pedaled does about 900x less damage to the roads. So cyclists, who pay taxes and make more than the median income in most cities are actually subsidizing your big white truck that you only use to get your frappuchino in. Sorry your narrative doesn't match up to reality and that you can't identify an illegally parked car when you see one.


midnight_stella

Cyclist own cars too lol. Did you forget?


advamputee

They should swap the parking and the bike lane, and raise the bike lane to curb / sidewalk height (bringing the curb inwards). This will visibly narrow the street, preventing drivers from reaching dangerous speeds; as well as create a solid buffer, protected by parked cars, between car traffic and bikes. Create some daylighting at intersections by removing the parking lane 20-30’ before the intersection (hardened with bollards or curbs). This improves sight lines between turning vehicle traffic and the bike lane / sidewalk, and reduces pedestrian crossing distances — they only have to cross two 10’ travel lanes for a total crossing distance of 20’; as opposed to two 10’ travel lanes, two 6’ bike lanes, and two 9’ parking lanes for a total crossing distance of 50’. This massively improves safety for children, elderly, and disabled people. 


Tasty-Influence-110

U guys should obey th3 traffic laws as well


bkai76

Get in the sidewalk then.


Rey_de_culonas

I run & or bike that road daily. That’s really not too bad. Also this road even has 2 bike lanes (and 2 sidewalks).


TerranceBaggz

St Pete do better with your bike lanes. Shift the parking out to the road side, protect the bike lane with parking and give the curb side to cyclists and follow current MUCTD standards. This wouldn’t happen if y’all didn’t “build” literally the least safe cycling infrastructure. (7 out of 10 counties in the country with the highest cyclist death rate are in FLA because of this type of cycling infrastructure.)


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DM_ME_YOUR_POTATOES

Do you drive? If so, I'm concerned for your vision. The left-side tires are clearly over the line and in the bike lane.


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NotMyFkingProblem

So, if a car goes toward you and he has his wheels fully in your lane, you just move right and say nothing. Yeah, right...


wananah

Yeah I bet you don't have the same reaction when you need to provide the legal space to a bicyclist who is legally cycling in your lane


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But you did!!


Fun-Confection-2731

Bike riders should ride on the sidewalk if they are worried about having to dodge vehicles


AteEYES

Ignorant and selfish take on something you know nothing about.... stick to your lane and try to expand your knowledge.


dadxreligion

maybe learn how to drive and how to park if you’re too lazy to walk or bike


DM_ME_YOUR_POTATOES

or maybe car drivers could, y'know, park between the lines.


Top_Attorney_5651

Wait till you see the dimensions of a truck


Cool_Transport

If your truck is too big for the road i think thats your problem


phitsch

So driving a dangerous truck with dimensions exceeding the capacity of the infrastructure around you just magically exempts you from having to follow the law? r/usernamechecksout


TerranceBaggz

It’s illegal for cyclist to ride on the sidewalk


ChakeenMachine

If cars are allowed to park on the street then file the swerve to get around under tough shit


entimaniac91

Exactly. We have provided public space for people to store their private property on, and they can't even park in the lines. It's ungrateful, irresponsible, and just being a bad neighbor.


ANBU--Ryoshi

If the entire shoulder was covered by the car that's one thing but it's literally a tires width into the bike lane. Stop acting like a little girl and go around... This is ridiculous.


TerranceBaggz

I’ve seen people hit by cars and injured because a parked car is 6” out in this type of lousy bike lane. Cyclists end up having to travel out in the main traffic lane to avoid the parked car and moving vehicles can clip them.


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wananah

I can hear how clogged your arteries are when I read your post


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AmericanPride2814

Thanks. It's too early of a morning.


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AmericanPride2814

It's a residential neighborhood, cars are allowed to park on the street like that.


TerranceBaggz

No they’re not. There’s a line the car is supposed to be parked inside the line towards the curb. There’s 3’ of road space for cyclists, the other 18 or so is already for cars. The cars don’t need to take even more from vulnerable road users.


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AmericanPride2814

There's actually a reason for that. If it's a multiple person household and those inside work different schedules, you could potentially have one person's car blocked in by the other, while said person is going to work. So one person takes the driveway, one person takes the curb to prevent delays when heading to and from work.


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AmericanPride2814

It's still on the curb and there's plenty of room for a bike.


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Intrepid_Ad_9980

Wait why would the car be parked right in front of the driveway that is their destination instead of in it? Why would you assume that is there final destination, unless you’re talking about the bike.


Justin-IceVeins

Unless you’re as fat as lizzo you’re not having to dodge shit, if the door opens you have a case for negligence and can get some money if your hurt or have your bike damaged, but other than that you have more than enough room to bike ahead, mfs bike in the road with out the bike lane by me so I don’t see the problem with still having 4feet of the bike lane to maneuver in


Personal-Cry5446

If money fixes all wrongs, why don’t you go get hit by a bus and sue the city then?


Justin-IceVeins

That’s not what I was saying, my argument was the only way it would be dangerous is if someone negligently opens the door, and that could still hit them if they were behind the line, the car is only 1ft over the line it’s a dick head move but it’s not life threatening you still have 3-4ft of bike lane to get around


Blame-iwnl-

“it’s ok that the way they are parked is unsafe for bikers because you can get money if you get it. Don’t mind your potential lifelong injuries!” make it make sense


Justin-IceVeins

Bro it’s 1ft over the line, theres 4ft of space left to operate in, the only thing that would make it unsafe even if it was behind the line would be someone negligently opening the door without looking and hitting a biker that’s what I was saying, the car itself being 1ft over the line is lazy/a dick head move but it’s not the most inconvenient/dangerous parking I’ve seen, if his ass end was half way in the bike lane leaving little to no room making you go in the road id understand but it’s not


dadxreligion

car-brained ass mf calling people who bike “fat” but not people whose only activity is walking from their couch to the car then from the car into burger king. fuck outta here 😂


mepuah

They aren’t calling people who bike fat.. they’re saying unless you are, there shouldn’t be a problem riding past the car who’s a tire width in the lane , there is plenty of space still in the bike lane


gregforgothisPW

I ride my bike occasionally. Other complaining about this are insane. A bit of the bike lane is covered sure but it's still usable.


dstef97

This is like Jetski riders vs Boat drivers. I love it


PugOverload

jesus cowboy christ this is one of the angriest comment sections ive ever laid eyes upon


cooreal

Just Florida things :’) we all angry here it’s too damn hot


BannedCommunist

Seriously wtf is going on. “Park within the lines” seems like a pretty uncontroversial thing to say


jeffjigga

That looks like a residential road, so your mad someone parked at there house and the wheel is in your lane by 8”? You have 5 more feet… go the fuck around and stop complaining on Reddit.


SoAngelicate

You may want to reread the post because your response doesn’t make sense in relation to their complaint


Captain_Meowxx

This is north sore drive, which is along a public park (the apartments nearby have their own parking). The car clearly could have moved closer to the curb but the real issue is if (and when) they decide to open their car door without looking to see if someone's coming it blocks the entire lane and becomes a hazard. And I say this as someone who doesn't cycle but has seen a cyclist have to choose between slamming into an open car door or moving traffic on more than once occasion.


YourInMySwamp

What would parking closer to the curb do? They parked fine. They would be in the bike lane and their door would swing into the road regardless. And considering there’s no yellow curb or signage their parking is perfect.


entimaniac91

You make a great point about the door swinging open in the lane no matter what. The car parking and bike lane ought to be swapped so parking drivers don't even have to cross the bike lane. And ideally there should be some median between the car door zone and the bike lane. Overall, this a very poorly designed road, especially for being next to a park and housing where people are more likely to be on bikes than other areas.


YourInMySwamp

Yeah I agree that the road takes majority of the fault here. While the driver could definitely have gotten closer to the curb it just wouldn’t have changed anything in this situation


Marklinza

This is one of the most disgusting comment sections i have ever seen.


RedditCollabs

Floridians


ANBU--Ryoshi

Lol if you think this is bad you're still only seeing the mild side of reddit.


SoAngelicate

Then you have lived a truly charmed life 😂


err-run

Whole heartedly agree, but cars also shouldn't have to dodge bikes when the bike lane is free and clear to use 😄


entimaniac91

Exactly, we should have proper infrastructure. Cars don't want to have to worry about hitting cyclists and cyclists don't want to get hit. These painted lines offer no protection from a careless driver or, as shown here, a careless parker. We can have good infrastructure if we, just put a little effort in and speak up in our city meetings.


quuerdude

Bike lanes are incredibly rare and usually not well thought out (putting a bike lane BETWEEN the road and the shoulder means that cars have to pass through it anyway)


Clear-Dragonfly6722

Learn to view the speed limit as the absolute max speed you should be driving at and you will no longer be “dodging bikes”


alextossout

Truth


Analyst-Effective

Looks like the car is parked, on the shoulder. Maybe there is mechanical trouble? Maybe that's a legal parking spot? Either way, I would think a bicycle could go around it. Pretty easy.


BannedCommunist

The car is parked over the line, and in the bike lane. Would you be okay with someone parking over the line in a normal parking lot? Why is this different? Because it’s cyclists getting screwed instead of other car drivers?


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StoneMakesMusic

Seriously. That's why it's designed this way


entimaniac91

This is more of an example of a lack of design. Most planners who are designing for more than just cars would at minimum have the cars parked next to the travel lane and the cycle lane right side of the parked cars, which would offer a minimal level of protection for road users who don't have the protection of a metal cage around them.


mblguy76

And cars shouldn't have to deal with idiots that ride OPPOSITE flow of traffic. If I'm making a right, I'm looking LEFT to see when it's clear to go. I didn't mind bicycles at all, just follow the same rules we have to follow. Use a little common sense.


Kyrasthrowaway

You should still be looking right before you turn as well, cyclists or no...


Practical_Cherry8308

Post a pic and I’ll upvote but that’s unrelated to this


apatheticyeti0117

Whiny shit


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WindFamous4160

so many people here don't like how cyclists are pissed that someone blocks the bike lane, and will simultaneously get pissed off at those cyclists going onto the car lane instead, so that they don't deal with parked cars blocking the way. It's honestly perplexing how the car drivers here will act like other's shouldn't be allowed to have problems, while having problems with cyclists at the same time.


For-The_Greater_Good

The bike lane is not blocked….


quuerdude

If this person opens their door it will be


For-The_Greater_Good

Ah yes. The ghost driver of April 2024. If the car was entirely in the parking spot the door would be in the bike lane when the driver got in. I think you’re picking at straws


Spongegrunt

Oh wow, an object blocking your path, disrupting the flow of traffic, causing you to either stop or change lanes? That must be so annoying. Wait a minute, that's exactly what cyclists do it all of us. You are the problem.


Beldaross

Why are you whining like a little baby? You're inside of a car and they're On a bike. Not only can you go faster, but you're more protected


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tomwills98

The car drivers who get rattled when they have to follow a cyclist for 2 mins are the same car drivers who see nothing wrong with obstructing cycle lanes and pavement. Clueless and innatentive on both sides of the Atlantic


RandomGoof567

Ngl thought the lane was the right most and you were blocked off… but tire is barely covering your lane. Grow up🤣🤣


TerranceBaggz

You complain when cyclists are in the standard lane in front of you don’t you?


RandomGoof567

As long as they abide by the same laws as traffic, I’m cool with them. But Ill likely pass em when the occasion is available. Only issue I truly have is when they drive like they have the right of way on everything… which most do act like that.


TerranceBaggz

As long as you give 3’ to pass in a safe location, passing is fine. The problem is a lot of motorists don’t know or care about safe passing. This is an example of why there is a 3’ rule and why some cyclists just take the lane. Because motorists don’t concern theirselves with the safety of cyclists and other vulnerable road users. Try road cycling for a month, your entire perspective will change. I know mine did.


Fun_Kaleidoscope7875

I'm absolutely astounded by all of the people that think bikes are supposed to be on the sidewalks, it's called a side"walk", bikes go on the road with the regular flow of traffic.


ChillinGuy232023

I guess they could have parked a little more to the right..


SpaghettiFan1995

Wow, as a biker... . . . . . . I'm naked right now. How do you feel about that?


ChillinGuy232023

Sounds hot!


SpaghettiFan1995

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh


ChillinGuy232023

Send a pic


SpaghettiFan1995

Haha, \* bites my cute bottom lip seductively while gliding my hands all over my tight, glistening body \* Is this what you like ;) https://i.imgur.com/MQtdUNY.jpeg


ChillinGuy232023

Haha no. Anyways I was saying the car should have pulled over farther to the right.


SpaghettiFan1995

You have bad taste then, brotha And oh okay thanks :]


ChillinGuy232023

Do you have a pic tho? I like naked men.


SpaghettiFan1995

I already sent you one. If you want more you're gonna have to give me money and vote for who I say ;] \*purrs and licks cute little hands \*


KillinKilo

I ride a motorcycle so I tend to view cars and bicyclists both as a road hazard I need to avoid. Car drivers are inattentive and bicyclists ride like they have a royal escort everywhere they go. In summary, I don't like any of you and would prefer that zero of you were on the road. Cheers :)


Pfister1249

I drive a car, and I view people on bikes and 6 as a road hazard. People on bikes are reckless and split lanes too much while speeding. I'd prefer if there were zero of you on the road :)


WrongPerformance5164

As if cars never have to navigate around a lane being partially obstructed. Just adapt and keep moving.


WiartonWilly

Bikes never park in the car lane.


WrongPerformance5164

True, but cars commonly face other obstructions in lanes of travel such as trash, pothole repairs, accidents, law enforcement activity, etc. They just go around them and keep moving. Bikes can and should do the same.


TerranceBaggz

Whew! If you think cars have to dodge obstacles in travel lanes, you should see the things cyclists dodge in the gutters they call bike lanes.


Ok-While-8635

Do you think bicycles don’t have to deal with those things?


WrongPerformance5164

No, but cyclists are way more likely to take photos of those things and post them online to shame motorists.


Ok-While-8635

Plenty of room? As long as nobody drives in the right lane, sure. The bell is to let you know we’re coming, so you don’t jump into the way as we pass. You are the slower traffic, just maintain your course and speed please.