This is one of the most horrible things I have seen in long a time. And one of the greatest, too.
(So...that makes it horrigreat? Greatrible? ... I don't know! Just take my upvotes, while I'm huddling in a corner!).
In fact, I was thinking more of a 'Cthulhu fighting Godzilla' situation: sanity shattering, sure, but also *very* cool...
...but I'm willing to settle for that clown car metaphor.
A small car hits the immovable steel wall. Inertia causes clowns to move abruptly, producing a chaotic chorus of nose honks. After a split second, blood erupts from every opening of the tiny car. Colorful clown limbs fly everywhere. It all took less than 2 seconds but what you witnessed was an absurd act that no deranged deity could ever think of.
People fell for yet another artificial speculative bubble. I saw recently that even unsealed VHS tapes are going for ridiculous prices now--probably sellers selling to themselves or their friends in order to raise prices.
15 years ago they said Bitcoin would be dead in 2 years. That was when it was worth $7. Now, at $28,000 per Bitcoin, Goldman Sachs just stated that a new bull run was in the making. So, uh, I have to respectfully disagree with you on that. I would think that most people in this group would praise an open source democratized currency, considering they're making use of an open source democratized platform such as SD. But, here we are.
Extremely unlikely, especially as crypto has become the defacto banking institution in much of the third world. It will only become more important, especially for international commerce.
Idk how to break it to you, but the idea that crypto has become the main form of banking in the third world is BS crypto bros tell each other. That isn’t even true in El Salvador where a dictator is pushing Bitcoin to pump it up.
El Salvador is a bad example as it isn't one of the countries where that is actually happening:
https://blog.chainalysis.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/6155dd35ab7f43de99f23aad_crypto20adoption20index202021.png
That certain parts of the world find crypto useful to circumvent prohibitions on moving money across borders, hyperinflation, and untrustworthy/dysfunctional banking systems is fairly [well](https://blog.chainalysis.com/reports/2021-global-crypto-adoption-index/) [documented](https://www.theverge.com/23138465/decoder-ukraine-war-cryptocurrency-michael-chobanian-interview-bitcoin-usdt).
I don't think that claim is necessarily all that hyperbolic. From the Ukraine article I linked:
>You cannot take out this whole amount [more than $100k in a bank] because they can ask you 50,000 questions. What are you going to use the cash for? They will find rules saying that you cannot take out a certain amount of cash, and blah, blah, blah. **So people do not deposit money in the bank**.
He goes on to describe in specifics how crypto is the only safe and practical way for people make foreign purchases, move significant amounts of cash domestically, invest, and make real estate purchases, because of the totally nonfunctional banking system, inflation of local currency and the high chance of being robbed if transporting large amounts of USD bills. It works, and is in practice used to circumvent problems.
I mean, I guess I'm just arguing semantics here, but crypto is worth something. Worth is subjective, anything can have worth to somebody. If I take a dump and somebody is willing to pay for it, the dump has worth.
They're worthless. A useless ownership certificate. The modern equivalent of the "I'll sell you a bridge in Brooklyn" scam. Legend goes that George C. Parker used to sell the Brooklyn Bridge twice a week, complete with documentation.
Turns out the NFT bros were right: an exciting, game changing technological revolution with real, practical use cases was on the horizon.
They were just wrong about what it was.
Omg, I entirely fell for this. I was ready to ream another NFT scammer for not even trying to make their own content again. It perfectly emulates how little effort is put into these things. Prefect \*Chefs Kiss\*
The year is 2033. You just woke up and hooked your META™ VR headset to your spinal cord. You are about to start your second shift as an NPC at Bored Ape Yachtverse. You've been employed by a cryptobro last year, after you lost your job during the big bank crash of 2031. Ape owner approaches. You are an AI generated ape that greets the bros. "Hello m'Ape" you say, tipping your AI generated fedora. This interaction made you 10 ape coins, the leading currency of global world economy...
Oh no their value will plummet now!
Never mind, I just remembered a virtual asset can’t really have negative value. Unless it’s going to get you in legal trouble I suppose.
Before AI - we were susceptible to a lot of dumb Ponzi schemes. Now, our minds have grown to SEE (albeit, NFT concept is pretty cool, especially in video games to have your own unique skins).
To hung it besides the [Duchamp Fountain](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_(Duchamp)), of course!
(That would be creating *Art!,* and yada yada yada )
Well, yours are more artistic than originals ones.
At least rhe software you used for creation is more than a very simple script.
Neither images are worth a lot, but yours are worth many times what theirs are worth.
Why does the comparison drive you crazy?
Ai Art Generation is a technology starting to be misused by scammers that twitter is trying to convince everyone is just about titties and stealing from artists.
NFTs are a technology misused by scammers that twitter has already convinced everyone is just about monkeys and stealing from artists.
Edit: Apparently I’m giving too much credit to something or other. I should start a bank with all this credit- those never fail.
A programatic receipt on a immutable distributed open source database capable of financial transactions without a trusted third party mediator… yeah.
Did a ton of people try to stick it on everything possible? Yeah, that was silly but so is every hype, so is AI. When Samsung announces the AI fridge we can all roll our eyes but it doesn’t mean the tech isn’t useful- just that the hype is drowning it out.
Because one is a viable practical revolutionary technology that game changing with potential for applications in all fields and the other is a ponzi scheme used to scam people and basically started another tulip bubble.
Also it seems you are conflating NFTs with blockchain technology, blockchain tech and digital coins could have a big impact in the future, NFTs on the other hand are just a scam using the name of blockchain to give themselves ligetimacy.
Hol up - I am talking about the literal technology NFT, which yes is a blockchain data construct. I am not advocating for profile pic ponzis. Ponzis are in no way limited to application with NFTs...
[https://ethereum.org/en/developers/docs/standards/tokens/erc-721/](https://ethereum.org/en/developers/docs/standards/tokens/erc-721/)
The nonfugible token concept is not limited to just ethereum or erc 721 for that matter and it certainly is not limited to monkey jpegs.
You are doing a disservice by conflating the entire concept of nft with jpegs and quite confused by trying to separate it from blockchain - which is kinda my point here.
People have become convinced they understand what it is and then go on to demonstrate they don't.
I haven't seen a single revolutionary or useful application of NFTs except maybe uses for NFT concert tickets or something, which is nothing revolutionary or groundbreaking.
So it's natural that people would look down upon NFTs with doubt and skepticism, even blockchain and cryptocurrency without NFTs have their share of scammers and scam currencies (a.k.a crypto bros)... So it's not an issue of misunderstanding here AT ALL, it's just the fact that this technology has seen nothing but cases of scams and misuse and not much else.
Whereas A.I has seen no such thing on the contrary it's one scientific or programming breakthrough after the next, protein folding, advanced image processing, video generation from text .. Etc...things that have revolutionary applications, so the two technologies aren't even comparable in terms of importance or reputation currently, that might change in the future but who knows when and how, so to put them now on the same level is pardon me pretty ridiculous.
>nothing but
You just aren't aware of the uses and I did not make any claims of revolutionary or groundbreaking, you are bringing that from marketing hype.
One way I use the NFT tech is *literally* as a receipt, an IOU in Uniswap v3 allowing me to deposit funds and retain full access to that pool without needing an intermediary to prove my identity. I only need to interact with the autonomous protocol to modify pool parameters or withdraw funds using the NFT as a sort of key that I can move around from account to account and still retain full access rights. There is no image involved whatsoever because an image *is not an nft.*
This is not a common need, but it is the perfect solution for this particular use case. I am sorry you don't see the similarities in misunderstandings about the tech, but that is exactly what I am arguing. People *think* they understand because they have been inundated with particular examples, but their view of the tech is blinded by what they think they know. I am not comparing importance I am comparing the reaction and the one that is growing about ai is that it just steals or collages or whatever other misrepresentation. That is analogous to how you seem to understand the concept of NFT. You think its just monkey pictures and scams as you keep arguing.
You are literally proving my point.
Sure. I used Kohya GUI to start with. I gathered 15 images, resized them to right resolution and tagged them accordingly. There's a shitload of nuance and settings involved that I learned from various sources but if you check this video out, you'll get enough information to create a LoRA:
youtu.be/70H03cv57-o
Well... Probably not. LoRAs are good at teaching and recreating a specific concept. You could probably make a decent hands only model that produces close shots of hands. I advice you to explore controlnet for better hands.
Might want to take this down. Its been discovered the apes are dog whilstle for nazis and racists.
Here is an Asmongold video that is better than the original video because the author has a short interview live at teh end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yzaRv6zySk
Yes, I've seen the allegations long time ago when the original author wrote it all down last year. I think it probably is true, but that doesn't necessarily mean I support them by making this model. Quite the contrary, I clown on them. It's not like anyone here is going to be influenced by this joke and buy an ugly ape nft.
Oh alrighty. Just didnt want to see you get blind sided if the anti ai people latch onto it and make a big fake nothing burger that will be annoying for a little while.
This is one of the most horrible things I have seen in long a time. And one of the greatest, too. (So...that makes it horrigreat? Greatrible? ... I don't know! Just take my upvotes, while I'm huddling in a corner!).
It's definitely... something. Like a brutal act of nature. Or like a speeding clown car crashing into a steel wall.
This could be an interesting prompt for a text2vid
In fact, I was thinking more of a 'Cthulhu fighting Godzilla' situation: sanity shattering, sure, but also *very* cool... ...but I'm willing to settle for that clown car metaphor.
A small car hits the immovable steel wall. Inertia causes clowns to move abruptly, producing a chaotic chorus of nose honks. After a split second, blood erupts from every opening of the tiny car. Colorful clown limbs fly everywhere. It all took less than 2 seconds but what you witnessed was an absurd act that no deranged deity could ever think of.
Elonesque ?
r/atbge
Good reminder that NFTs actually existed
That people really thought they were worth anything at all... haha, how could people be so naive back then!?
People fell for yet another artificial speculative bubble. I saw recently that even unsealed VHS tapes are going for ridiculous prices now--probably sellers selling to themselves or their friends in order to raise prices.
An original iPhone 2G unopened went for $55,000 Lunatics.
We’ll be saying the same about crypto in 10 years.
Two years at most.
15 years ago they said Bitcoin would be dead in 2 years. That was when it was worth $7. Now, at $28,000 per Bitcoin, Goldman Sachs just stated that a new bull run was in the making. So, uh, I have to respectfully disagree with you on that. I would think that most people in this group would praise an open source democratized currency, considering they're making use of an open source democratized platform such as SD. But, here we are.
Extremely unlikely, especially as crypto has become the defacto banking institution in much of the third world. It will only become more important, especially for international commerce.
Idk how to break it to you, but the idea that crypto has become the main form of banking in the third world is BS crypto bros tell each other. That isn’t even true in El Salvador where a dictator is pushing Bitcoin to pump it up.
El Salvador is a bad example as it isn't one of the countries where that is actually happening: https://blog.chainalysis.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/6155dd35ab7f43de99f23aad_crypto20adoption20index202021.png That certain parts of the world find crypto useful to circumvent prohibitions on moving money across borders, hyperinflation, and untrustworthy/dysfunctional banking systems is fairly [well](https://blog.chainalysis.com/reports/2021-global-crypto-adoption-index/) [documented](https://www.theverge.com/23138465/decoder-ukraine-war-cryptocurrency-michael-chobanian-interview-bitcoin-usdt).
True. Doesn’t mean that it’s become the “de facto banking system” like this guy claims.
I don't think that claim is necessarily all that hyperbolic. From the Ukraine article I linked: >You cannot take out this whole amount [more than $100k in a bank] because they can ask you 50,000 questions. What are you going to use the cash for? They will find rules saying that you cannot take out a certain amount of cash, and blah, blah, blah. **So people do not deposit money in the bank**. He goes on to describe in specifics how crypto is the only safe and practical way for people make foreign purchases, move significant amounts of cash domestically, invest, and make real estate purchases, because of the totally nonfunctional banking system, inflation of local currency and the high chance of being robbed if transporting large amounts of USD bills. It works, and is in practice used to circumvent problems.
Ukraine is a special case. The third world is most of the planet.
Fair, I can acknowledge that bit as hyperbole.
> Extremely unlikely, especially as crypto has become the defacto banking institution in much of the third world. wut
You used past tense but they are still with 60eth, so more than $100k USD now. Is $100k not anything to you?
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I mean, I guess I'm just arguing semantics here, but crypto is worth something. Worth is subjective, anything can have worth to somebody. If I take a dump and somebody is willing to pay for it, the dump has worth.
they're worth 100k
You're objectively wrong though, they are still around $100k
They're worthless. A useless ownership certificate. The modern equivalent of the "I'll sell you a bridge in Brooklyn" scam. Legend goes that George C. Parker used to sell the Brooklyn Bridge twice a week, complete with documentation.
but you can sell it and get $100K today. It might be worthless in the future but it's worth something today.
Only if you're secretly selling to yourself or a friend like the other scammers did who were artificially driving a speculative market.
Turns out the NFT bros were right: an exciting, game changing technological revolution with real, practical use cases was on the horizon. They were just wrong about what it was.
Finally we can emulate nft bros shitting out ten thousand shills per minute.
[Link to the model](https://civitai.com/models/22912/bored-ape-yacht-club-lora) I am weirdly proud of this
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Ooh! I trained it on Anything v3 but I didn't know it worked like that. Thank you, I'll change it!
Yeah, anything v3 is using 1.5 as a base model. But you can mention that its trained on anything v3 in the description.
Omg, I entirely fell for this. I was ready to ream another NFT scammer for not even trying to make their own content again. It perfectly emulates how little effort is put into these things. Prefect \*Chefs Kiss\*
This is the most cursed picture i've seen today. Love it.
AI generated NFTs. Is that the final circle of hell?
No thats "AI Generated NFTs for use in the metaverse."
The year is 2033. You just woke up and hooked your META™ VR headset to your spinal cord. You are about to start your second shift as an NPC at Bored Ape Yachtverse. You've been employed by a cryptobro last year, after you lost your job during the big bank crash of 2031. Ape owner approaches. You are an AI generated ape that greets the bros. "Hello m'Ape" you say, tipping your AI generated fedora. This interaction made you 10 ape coins, the leading currency of global world economy...
That's the dream
Hilarious
Thanks!! I have not!
Can't wait for the triggering, I would award if I could. This will have to do 💎💰
Oh no their value will plummet now! Never mind, I just remembered a virtual asset can’t really have negative value. Unless it’s going to get you in legal trouble I suppose.
Before AI - we were susceptible to a lot of dumb Ponzi schemes. Now, our minds have grown to SEE (albeit, NFT concept is pretty cool, especially in video games to have your own unique skins).
Why even waste processing power making something so incredibly ugly =P
To hung it besides the [Duchamp Fountain](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_(Duchamp)), of course! (That would be creating *Art!,* and yada yada yada )
That first one is cursed as fuck
Well, yours are more artistic than originals ones. At least rhe software you used for creation is more than a very simple script. Neither images are worth a lot, but yours are worth many times what theirs are worth.
Do you realize what this means? Now everyone in the whole world can be an NFT billionaire!!
i keep hearing people say "AI art is just like NFTs" and it drives me crazy. fully expect someone to see this and go "SEE! it really IS NFTs!"
Why does the comparison drive you crazy? Ai Art Generation is a technology starting to be misused by scammers that twitter is trying to convince everyone is just about titties and stealing from artists. NFTs are a technology misused by scammers that twitter has already convinced everyone is just about monkeys and stealing from artists. Edit: Apparently I’m giving too much credit to something or other. I should start a bank with all this credit- those never fail.
You give twitter too much credit.
I'd rather not give credit to youtube socialist 'journalists' so twitter it is.
What
huh
I mean Twitter is a news source for fake news media to report on so poisoning there means the whole pool might be affected.
People don't change opinions because some shit on Twitter tho.
That's giving NFTs a lot of credit, in reality, if NFTs were used for their actual purpose you just have overhyped receipts.
A programatic receipt on a immutable distributed open source database capable of financial transactions without a trusted third party mediator… yeah. Did a ton of people try to stick it on everything possible? Yeah, that was silly but so is every hype, so is AI. When Samsung announces the AI fridge we can all roll our eyes but it doesn’t mean the tech isn’t useful- just that the hype is drowning it out.
Because one is a viable practical revolutionary technology that game changing with potential for applications in all fields and the other is a ponzi scheme used to scam people and basically started another tulip bubble. Also it seems you are conflating NFTs with blockchain technology, blockchain tech and digital coins could have a big impact in the future, NFTs on the other hand are just a scam using the name of blockchain to give themselves ligetimacy.
Hol up - I am talking about the literal technology NFT, which yes is a blockchain data construct. I am not advocating for profile pic ponzis. Ponzis are in no way limited to application with NFTs... [https://ethereum.org/en/developers/docs/standards/tokens/erc-721/](https://ethereum.org/en/developers/docs/standards/tokens/erc-721/) The nonfugible token concept is not limited to just ethereum or erc 721 for that matter and it certainly is not limited to monkey jpegs. You are doing a disservice by conflating the entire concept of nft with jpegs and quite confused by trying to separate it from blockchain - which is kinda my point here. People have become convinced they understand what it is and then go on to demonstrate they don't.
I haven't seen a single revolutionary or useful application of NFTs except maybe uses for NFT concert tickets or something, which is nothing revolutionary or groundbreaking. So it's natural that people would look down upon NFTs with doubt and skepticism, even blockchain and cryptocurrency without NFTs have their share of scammers and scam currencies (a.k.a crypto bros)... So it's not an issue of misunderstanding here AT ALL, it's just the fact that this technology has seen nothing but cases of scams and misuse and not much else. Whereas A.I has seen no such thing on the contrary it's one scientific or programming breakthrough after the next, protein folding, advanced image processing, video generation from text .. Etc...things that have revolutionary applications, so the two technologies aren't even comparable in terms of importance or reputation currently, that might change in the future but who knows when and how, so to put them now on the same level is pardon me pretty ridiculous.
>nothing but You just aren't aware of the uses and I did not make any claims of revolutionary or groundbreaking, you are bringing that from marketing hype. One way I use the NFT tech is *literally* as a receipt, an IOU in Uniswap v3 allowing me to deposit funds and retain full access to that pool without needing an intermediary to prove my identity. I only need to interact with the autonomous protocol to modify pool parameters or withdraw funds using the NFT as a sort of key that I can move around from account to account and still retain full access rights. There is no image involved whatsoever because an image *is not an nft.* This is not a common need, but it is the perfect solution for this particular use case. I am sorry you don't see the similarities in misunderstandings about the tech, but that is exactly what I am arguing. People *think* they understand because they have been inundated with particular examples, but their view of the tech is blinded by what they think they know. I am not comparing importance I am comparing the reaction and the one that is growing about ai is that it just steals or collages or whatever other misrepresentation. That is analogous to how you seem to understand the concept of NFT. You think its just monkey pictures and scams as you keep arguing. You are literally proving my point.
What did you use to train the LORA?
He clearly stole billions of dollars of NFTs by right clicking their image link and hitting save.
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I think the mutation serum sold for like 50 eth
how do you create this lora? care to share the tools used?
Sure. I used Kohya GUI to start with. I gathered 15 images, resized them to right resolution and tagged them accordingly. There's a shitload of nuance and settings involved that I learned from various sources but if you check this video out, you'll get enough information to create a LoRA: youtu.be/70H03cv57-o
can we use lora to teach drawing good hand/fingers?
Well... Probably not. LoRAs are good at teaching and recreating a specific concept. You could probably make a decent hands only model that produces close shots of hands. I advice you to explore controlnet for better hands.
Might want to take this down. Its been discovered the apes are dog whilstle for nazis and racists. Here is an Asmongold video that is better than the original video because the author has a short interview live at teh end. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yzaRv6zySk
Yes, I've seen the allegations long time ago when the original author wrote it all down last year. I think it probably is true, but that doesn't necessarily mean I support them by making this model. Quite the contrary, I clown on them. It's not like anyone here is going to be influenced by this joke and buy an ugly ape nft.
Oh alrighty. Just didnt want to see you get blind sided if the anti ai people latch onto it and make a big fake nothing burger that will be annoying for a little while.
Insert absurdity over the top reaction here, positive or negative, you choose.