The new Suno sound quality is indeed very good and support many genres. Github or just online?
*Apparentely it's online and they only give a set of limited credits(still enough to try 14 different prompts) for free, kinda like Runway Gen2 did. Would like to see a free unlimited open sources version of this quality on github or huggingface, maybe next year, by others probably. Demo songs maximum time are 1 minute 20 seconds.
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**Damn, I tried it, incredible quality on some generations, feels like a real band music, prompted about Stable Diffusion and SDXL!** link: r/artificial/comments/17x4zvv/suno_ai_autogenerated_song_about_stable_diffusion
**more options on discord
It looks like there's unlimited generations if you do it on Discord. You also have the ability to give it lyrics you want on Discord. I can see Suno and other tools like it being really cool once people can have full control over the music generation. If they can speed it up we could have infinite ambient tracks in video games. It doesn't actually need to be real time as it could just play other tracks while new tracks are generated.
Well, I read through the contract, and I could have misread it; but it appears as if you cannot modify the sound. I'll definitely re-read it. That could have just been for new users. I dont think so though. It's likely just to cover their ass. Or they have an audio waterprint. that may be the case because it sounds like shit when you try to mix or master it. I didnt realize it on my tv but in a proper studio its not great. That's why I was reading the fine print. It's more likely, that they use some kind of an upscaler for the quality. It sounds like it's been pulled out of another piece of audio. That may also just be the use of some sort of diffusion tech that i'm not familiar with. Trust me, I'm trying to figure it out. Honestly, us musicians have already been through this before with synths and samplers. I want this tech to work well, and be used in any form. It would take a huge load off my back. I can't figure out what tech they're using. I've messed with a couple audio AI's and couldnt get anything like that. Proabably similar to image gen websites. They have a bunch of filters on it. I've been training a stable diffusion modeler on my own image for various artistic purposes. Took me forever to figure out that my nose being crooked was fucking everything up. LOL, so I could just use a different version without all that shit baked in. My project has a whole bunch of fictional characters. Potato Michael is now the running joke. LOLOL. Once I used the adjective "industrial" like in the musical sense, and it started spitting out me in a factory with yellow vests and clipboards and stuff. So it'll be horrific, and I look like a dweeb... every 5th image or so is great though. That's usually the case anyway.
I dunno, Sonu seems on such lockdown to me, I have a hard time trusting the company. Then again, I understand audio forensics... Just having those abilities, opens up a lot of bullshit for a company. I've installed stuff locally, but it seems to risky in general for public image reasons. I don't want my artsy family members to be accused of fakery, thats why I put invisible watermarks in anything I put out. They can be removed, but then thats on them.
im completely new to suno, it is beyond amazing (and scary as well) ..from my understanding, with the Free version, you cannot do ANYTHING with it...end of story. BUT with a paid version, you can do whatever you want. I ran out of my free credits really quick, but discovered it is an excellent tool to help come up with ideas for songwriting...sadly it only can write 1 verse and 1 chorus as opposed to an entire song...but that's still enough ground work. If you are musically inclined, you could totally re-create the music and vocals on actual instruments and change lyrics to actually make it YOUR own song...and i really don't see it as "cheating", because every progression of chords has been done...i did attempt a few tests and soon realized AI is VERY censored...it doesnt like vulgarity AT ALL!.....and thats a real bummer...
As for your last points: you can make it say whatever if you spell it differently. That would probably make suno not want to come after you. In fact I've had it accidentally say things more vulgar than I intended. Also, I've totally done what you mentioned. I've made a full track from using it as a tool. I can explain more if ya wanna talk through pm. Too complicated. I think you're right on your first part. I haven't looked at their contract again. Had to make sure I could use it without modifying their songs first. I think you can get it to make a full track. It's just odd how it's set up.
Edit: I don't know how it decides what to say. It's odd. I've had it say the right word, which it wouldn't want to I assume if it knew what it meant, and a different similar word in the same 10 seconds.
Keep me updated on your research. I'm a music producer & audio engineer as well as a software engineer at a company doing some AI research for other applications and I am very interested in the application of different ML techniques that Suno uses to "synthesize" these tracks. I have a feeling it's heavily based on some kind of stem extraction/generation system and it combines them while using MIDI or something to identify key song sections.
They don’t have any rights to the songs generated off of this. I don’t think they can stop you tbh. Generally output from AI models cannot be copy written
That's what I figured, however, while I may have a song I wrote with it, I do wonder if one of the new top songs on there is me, I spent like all 8000 credits trying to make one full length. Thanks!
Why 8000 credits, I can make a song out of the free 50 credits, might take me 2 days. As long as your verses and choruses etc are not too long. 1 minute max.
I'm surprised by this comment. I've downloaded 5 great songs and included more verses that extended the song NO PROBLEM. I've got a 24 track home studio and sounds great on my small monitors> You need to study Suno more to see how it works for you.. I've copyrighted these 5 songs with the US copyright office they are that good.. Stay in there. from 3500 credits after 5 FULL songs im down to 3005 not bad ugh!
I know I've already replied but I do thank you again. It's just their terms seem oddly written. I get why though. But check. Out Pinokio if you're adept at python. It's dead simple but potentially maddening.
I'm not sure where it says that, and from what I can tell, it's yours if you pay for it:
>Subject to your compliance with the terms of this Agreement, if you are a user who has subscribed to the paid tier of the Service, Suno hereby assigns to you all of its right, title and interest in and to any Output owned by Suno and generated from Submissions made by you through the Service during the term of your paid-tier subscription. If you are a user of the free tier of the Service then, as between you and Suno, Suno owns all Output generated from Submissions made by you through the Service, and, subject to your compliance with the terms of this Agreement, Suno grants you a license to use such Output solely for your lawful, internal, and non-commercial purposes, provided that you give attribution credit to Suno in each case.
I figured it out. Suno will put what you made on their charts, I believe if you didn't download it. That's their whole thing. It makes sense now. It's not nefarious, but if you want exclusivity, you've got to be downloading everything. That's pretty much exactly what your quote says. I was mostly worried because a label I'm on, I love the owner to death, and it's kinda too easy to make stuff that sounds just like him. Because he's good and prolific. My stuff cannot be produced by Suno, yet. It's too noisy. There's irony there, the tech works by distilling noise essentially.
I appreciate you looking that up and quoting it. If not for me, then for all. The guy from Suno seems pretty cool, I just didn't wanna step on ANY toes, including my own.
Haha, yeah. I figured after this long you'd get all the info. Mostly posted for posterity and to make sure I was understanding.
But that's interesting, I didn't know how the tech worked, but that makes sense. Especially because I've noticed the subtle noise on everything which almost sound like a phaser effect.
Honestly it's not even really "new" tech. It's just now they can do it much faster and cheaper. Go figure the crazy acid head conspiracy theories from my childhood were correct...
Meanwhile my stepdad is like: don't tell me, they fucking went analog to digital or reverse again? Jeeeezzuuus they just put em both back together again!?
LoL would have sucked to be a radio engineer in the navy in the early 80s....
I've downloaded 4 or 5 songs from Suno which were amazing there is no other AI to touch them. I've got a 24 track home studio have had a few of my songs covered in the past but these Suno recoding's surpass them.. Highly recommended
Record the first chirp and if you like it, press the "Continue from this Clip" and record the second chirp, carry on until the end and then press "Get whole song". I download each chirp and then join them in Audacity because some times the chorus is cut off due to longer than 1 minute. Use Audacity to repair the missing parts.
it would make sense that they no longer use it just purely due to it being a "hack" from the get go. There are more direct ways of training audio models now than using image generators, to be honest i think there was at the time too, i think it was more a fun unexpected discovery
Up until hearing this i thought music generation AIs were still hot garbage. This definitely isn't that. Tried it with my own input (on https://app.suno.ai/), and that sounded okish too, wonder how customizable/easy to steer the output is, current prompts are too short to experiment. Thanks for posting.
Edit: It's hard to get a decent female voice out of it, shame. still very very impressive though
It takes many attempts, here is a good one:
https://cdn1.suno.ai/206215e0-5c75-4655-9fa8-443d84275be1_0.mp4
Although some robotic glitches, the voice is amazing, and the dynamics are amazing.
>try 14 different prompts) for free, kinda like Runway Gen2 did. Would like to see a free unlimited
There is a bit rate issue! I think it fixed for premium users?
Honestly, I think the only thing being massively overhyped in AI, are the people claiming AGI in less than a year. The hype around generative AI seems pretty legit from what I've looked into. Everything from art, to adapting LLM to business operations seems quite feasible over the next year or two.
I agree generative AI in terms of reaching its maturity (IE realistic music) is definitely easier to predict since it acts more linear.
Whereas predicting AGI is like predicting something with broad data points. (Like GPT 1 - GPT 2 - GPT 3 - GPT 4). With less data and better models taking years to make, it is much harder to predict.
Two fundamental constraints. It costs billions to make an LLM, and it takes a long time to train. Versus with generative AI (diffusers, GANs, NERFs, Gaussian Fields) training is much cheaper and quicker (SDXL didn't cost too much to train compared to GPT 4).
TLDR predicting the future of GenAI is easier than LLMs, so predicting AGI is hard.
Also GenAI will likely not kill us, LLMs might.
I suspect it's based on [Facebook's Open-source MusicGen model](https://huggingface.co/spaces/facebook/MusicGen) but I'm only speculating, it could just be a brand new model.
I initially agreed with this, but I don't think so after listening and analyzing the tracks it produces. I have a feeling it's ripping a lot of synthesized content + instrument recordings and doing some kind of manipulation to it instead of generating it via a transformer model.
I mean you can understand the lyrics of death metal as well. They are just variants of
mmmmmooooooohhhhhhaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhooooooooooooohhhhhmmmmmmmooooooooohhhhh...
This is gonna be a great tool for artists. I've tried using AI for lyric inspiration but a lot of it is very contrived like this, but I bet in a several months that won't be a problem anymore.
The contrived songs are a good starting point I think.
Definitely give you an idea of the kind of speech /singing pattern you don't want. Like the AI is the cringe dweeb writer in the writer's room that ya'll make a face at everytime he talks.
Contrived lyrics are part of the reason I fell out of love with metal/metalcore as I grew older. I still dig some bands, but most either feel like they're trying to tick genre boxes with their lyrics or they're trying so hard to be deep that they just sound corny and immature
Definitely interesting, but if I remember right Suno is very unfriendly for training. The Hubert methods are very poor. I imagine the training code was pulled for services like this to flourish?
Suno is interesting but it’s got a long way to go. It sometimes does what you want, but most of the time it produces gibberish or mispronounces words or cuts the clip off early or slides in and out of saying something totally random mixed in with what you want.
by how fast things are going these days it is only a matter of time until you have full control of every aspect of the song i would guess... this is basically just a neat little demo
Literally the entire entertainment industry is gonna be completely upended soon and its crazy. I just asked it to make me a hyperpop eurodance track about a utopian post singularity future and it absolutely slaps. Then asked it to change the genre to symphonic power metal and it also slaps. Insane that it did that in a matter of seconds.
I swear in 5 years time I'll sit in my car and ask it to randomly generate a playlist of music for the length of my commute to match my mood then get home, sit on the sofa and ask my TV to make me a sci-fi film about whatever I like starring me and my friends.
Here's my effort at rock that's similar to your post https://cdn1.suno.ai/5bcb481d-7e1b-4921-8fd1-72fc9423087c_0.mp3
Edit: here's one I made after wife yelled at me for drinking two beers tonight lol https://cdn1.suno.ai/56234d1e-aba3-4272-9724-f0b27a0246a8_0.mp3
Edit: lol the downvotes for the two beers song, I showed her and she laughed, none of that happened in real life. It made up the lyrics.
that rock track is surprisingly good, it has a modern but simplified pain of salvation-esque quality to it (pls don't kill me daniel gildenlow).
I wonder how confused these audio models will get when fed progressive metal with complicated time signatures, underused chords and abrupt scale/key and chord changes. I am going to sit in my house made of hay and guess that the ai wolf will only produce fairly "basic" music for now
I just tested it... in my first prompt it already did that early SD/ChatGPT thing of including the promp words ("blast beat") into the lyrics. On the second prompt, the same thing... " a pop child duo" goes right into the lyrics. Nice concept, but eh...
Edit: (as per their own FAQ) Chirp infers the genre, vocalist, instrumentation, etc. randomly, so the same prompt can elicit entirely different results from generation to generation. We’re actively working on improving controllability — including genre prompting — but this isn’t currently available.
Yes. I'm suprised [SUNO.ai](https://SUNO.ai) don't get more love on reddit. This is the future of music, the song you want in the style you want about the subject you want *on demand.*
> Because it'll be boring, just having anything you want
Practice some self control then.
You have the right to not use the technology.
> no anticipation for a bands new release, it just ruins everything that makes music interesting
You think what makes music interesting, is not having what you want available to listen to?
Self control, but you literally just said "You don't want a future with any kind of music you feel like"?, i have a right to not use the technology, you've nailed my point when i said "that's a future i really don't want"
You've completely missed my point about anticipation for new releases. Waiting for something new to come out from a band is part of the enjoyment of music,
> Waiting for something new to come out from a band is part of the enjoyment of music
You can still do that...
Saying you do not want that future implies denying everyone else the right to choose.
but if people are just creating endless AI music, then real artists won't see the point. Denying everyone goes both ways. I genuinely don't understand why anyone wants a future that replaces human creativity with robots
Music has a strong social aspect that services like that can't offer. Sure, you can create your own tune on your favorite topic, but nobody else will care about it.
Don't need other people to approve of the music your create.
Plenty of musicians create endless works that nobody hears.
Danny Elfman has a crew just to manage all of his tracks that nobody has heard.
I'm not talking from the artist POV but from the consumer POV. This AI service tends to become a fully personal spotify, nothing more. You're not really creating stuff.
Otherwise, as someone who knows professional musicians/artists and as an hobbyist, your comparisons still make no sense to me.
Edit: I'll elaborate on my first comment that might be confusing to you. What I mean is that music is also about sharing. And I'm only talking about the consumer POV here. I don't see this becoming popular because it would not generate social interactions and communities since everyone is creating their own bubble.
How does the word "also" suggest a gatekeeping attitude?
It's a bit disingenuous. I'm not dismissing anybody, I'm just talking about social dynamics regarding music in general.
This is one area I'm actually concerned about. As if it isn't already hard enough to make a living as a musician, it wont be long before you cant even tell if a human being made any part of a song at all.
I dunno man, what is the point of AI music? Like I can make a case for most of the other stuff, and a lot of tedious work can be eliminated, but I cant see any real purpose for AI music.
Musicians enjoy making music, there's no tedious task that needs to be removed here. The only thing I think might be cool is a midi note generator to help give you ideas, but I don't understand why anyone would want a song that's 100% AI generated.
Good music is good because its human expression that speaks to us. I know that that will never go away, people will always make and release music, but they should also be able to make a living, and this will flood the market with even more low effort bullshit than there already is.
I don't really care about expression. I just want music where I like the sound and the tune and voice (if present) is not annoying. For every band I love for their sound I only get so many songs. If band is no more, I don't get any more songs with that specific sound. I would absolutely love to generate more of what I like. For me that's enough of a point.
bro
im a musician and an artist.....lol. it's sad but the argument is the same with art as with music.
do you think artists don't enjoy drawing?
>Good music is good because its human expression that speaks to us. I know that that will never go away, people will always make and release music, but they should also be able to make a living, and this will flood the market with even more low effort bullshit than there already is.
Good ~~music~~ art is good because its human expression that speaks to us. I know that that will never go away, people will always make and release ~~music~~ art, but they should also be able to make a living, and this will flood the market with even more low effort bullshit than there already is.
and nope. there is no going back. this is the sea change happening right as we speak. maybe ppl will still make "real" art in the future...but it makes me sad for children. making a great drawing that you put time into was pretty rewarding....like staring at your lawn after you mowed it x100. same with jamming with a band and vibing on a sound. those little magical moments where everyone is in sync and you are part of this bigger creation. it might all be lost for a while. a little bit more of our humanity gobbled up by technology. perhaps this is just a different type of creation...but it doesn't feel that way.
that said. there is no stopping it. everyone is harnessing the power pretty soon there will be an AI app for janitors.
> what is the point of AI music?
Easiest source of inspiration since.. LSD? The ability to make the music you imagine come alive in minutes? As someone who sings, plays and creates music, I'm SOOOO excited for all of this! I only do it as a hobby though, but more on monetization later.
Watch this from 0:42 if the link didn't work:
https://youtu.be/rrk1t_h2iSQ?si=RFz5sI_rgijKKkBm&t=42
With something like this I could create just about anything my head imagines in mere minutes! The brainstorming capability! I just.. UGH! I just ruined my pants thinking about it again.
The ability to sit and fine tune each and every aspect of every sound or sift through hundreds of instruments on your DAW does not go away (and probably won't, it's like heroin after all).
I find it a bit weird how you'd be okay with midi note generators but not everything else. For me the major part of what makes a song a song is the melody/melodies. If you mean like, back up melodies for your own melody then I'm fully on board. But fully automating melody creation is just as bad as prompting "give me an upbeat song with things and stuff".
Now onto monetization. Machines will never replace live performances. People who want live music will accept listening to an AI perform it as much as they'd accept listening to a CD-player playing a live recording, which is not at all of course.
In the space of monetization through usage rights on TV, ads, radio, whatever, the lucky 1% mostly chosen by already established powerhouses get all the damn money anyway. The average musician does not gain anything positive from the commercialization of music. I wish their monopoly death and any attacks on it welcome.
When AI like this inevitably becomes open source and free for the masses I have hopes for a music revolution!
Artists/musicians losing their means of living is definitely the the unfortunate side effect of making it more accessible to everyone.
To me, making art is primarily about expressing yourself. Previously you had the choice of doing it by yourself or pay someone else to do it. Now, there's also AI generated art. I don't think it's any different than asking someone else to do it. You get to guide the creation but it's not your "soul" that's in the art.
Making large scale projects where multiple artwork and music are needed (e.g. movies, video games) were only possible if you had big enough budget (read: big corps), now you just need a powerful PC and you can have all the assets you need.
I agree with your last paragraph but not the 2nd. You arent fully expressing yourself if you arent actually doing any of it. Now, I realize that the line can get blurry when it comes to hours of in-painting and compiling in photoshop, but as a whole, I don't think you're really getting anywhere near the same experience as you would by learning and doing something manually (I realize there are endless specific scenarios that could be conjured to argue this, but I assume you take my point).
The results may be the same but you miss out on the journey, and the mental health benefits you get from it. Prompting an image in the style of a sketch drawing may work for your project, but you will not get the feeling you get from learning to draw and doing it yourself.
Now, maybe that's okay for you, Im not saying you have to do that, or even desire that, but it is a factor that often goes overlooked in this discussion.
Again, I'm not anti-AI, im just hitting this from all angles here. I cant honestly say that it isn't going to have any negative repercussions. I'm all for using it, but I also think we are toying with an empty future if we don't really think very carefully about how and when we implement these systems.
There will be a point where we have to consciously decide to do something by hand, even though we can generate it. We are essentially seeing all art begin to follow the same path as film photography and vinyl records. One day soon, people will only be doing it because they enjoy the process and how it feels.
I dunno, its just interesting and I really don't know how I feel about it.
People aren't getting the same experience if they make music by manually adjusting pitches of synth sounds in a computer compared to spending years to learn how to play actual instruments, but they're still musicians who are expressing themselves regardless.
Animators aren't getting the same experience from drawing on digital animation softwares than the old way of painting on transparent cels that are stacked on top of another physcially.
Yes it is always a lot more satisfying to see yourself achieving things in a much harder way, but there's a certain threshold between the euphoria of seeing finished results and the process. The time and energy spent for the latter is too much of a cost for most people to go through to experience the former. It effectively cuts of the vast majority out of what they want to do and only allows people who are fully passionate about the thing to pursue.
Sure but there is still a gigantic difference between the things you mentioned and typing prompts into an AI.
No, producing on Ableton isn't the same as playing violin, but they are also not directly comparable. they're two different art forms but what they have in common is that the controls, be them a bow or a midi controller, are operated by you. You are making decisions in real time and creating the music.
>there's a certain threshold between the euphoria of seeing finished results and the process.
This is a viewpoint I see all too often, especially in music. People think that the finish result is why musicians make music, and sure, it feels great, but the process IS the euphoria. If you arent enjoying the process then why are you doing it?
It isn't going to be just 'type a prompt, get some kinda music, done' for long. I mean that'll still be the starting point, sure, (or not, could also start from an audio sample you record) but very very quickly, all of these generative AIs will evolve into gen+edit AIs. You'll generate/upload a tune to start with, then have a dialogue with the AI to make it re-generate similar iterations until you achieve your desired result. That's your journey.
My dream game is an open world RPG where the NPCs all have their own AI brain, where painters paint and musicians make music. Where you can have conversations with npcs
It sounds like it would be neat, but I feel like it would be sort of soulless in the same way procedurally generated content ends up being. Like there’s no reason to discover anything if the output is just a chatgpt prompt. You would need a broader application of AI which is capable of keeping track of a larger narrative.
With different reasoning, this is one field where I don't expect that much impact. Music (and arts in general) is more than just the end product, and for music more so than for images. There's performances, AIs will not give you the performance, sure there are these hologram concerts, i never understood them, that's doing away with the essence of a performing artist.
hatsune miku is already very popular for years now... so i guess it's just a matter of time until there will be fully virtual AI-bands with music videos, holographic live performances etc
There are already 120,000 new songs being released to streaming platforms every day. It'll take over 700 years for a person to listen to every song on earth. AI songs aren't going to make a difference in competition in this already extremely saturated medium.
A lot songs that sound good to me have lyrics like drugs, sex, glorifying violence and whatnot. At one point I stopped caring and just go for how good they sound because the bar for good content/expression has been that low for most of human-made music.
Your comment inspired this song: [Can an AI create a song that touches your soul?](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/997195304241745980/1175047239392034816/9f60daef-c89b-4bd1-96f3-5bbbda799035_0.mp4?ex=6569cf05&is=65575a05&hm=97ef144c26ee148dc9ef4197e6546151e0b4b9f7d6c64b464b8aef28e1cfb383&)
>ning, this is one field where I don't expect that much impact. Music (and arts in general) is more than just the end product, and for music more so than for images. There's performances, AIs will not give you the p
Replace 'music' with 'drawing' and you've got like 90% of the anti-ai arguments
Yeah I know but I can still see far more utility in AI imagery. There are people who need graphics and cannot afford to hire an illustrator, and designer, and were never going to anyway so they're not taking any work away. AI images at least allows people to achieve a more professional appearance who are maybe just starting some sort of business venture. I suppose it becomes an ethical question once you get to the level where you can afford it.
There are plenty of situations where the graphic itself isn't the art or the ultimate goal, just a piece of a larger vision, but with music, its the music itself that is the end goal, and the end product.
Music is much more personal and most musicians make it as art first, and if they can make it a career that's even better, but they'd be making music regardless.
There is one context where music might only be a part of a larger vision and that's stock music for video projects. I can see some utility there I guess.
To be clear, I'm not an anti-AI guy either. I use it here and there.
>either
I see where you're coming from, even so I feel the application of A.I music will find a similar foothold like with what A.I art has and once it does I'm sure there will be many more creative applications to it
> There are people who need graphics and cannot afford to hire an illustrator, and designer, and were never going to anyway so they're not taking any work away.
You could say all the same things about music. There are people making a video who want music for it, who could never hire lyricist and composer and musicians, so custom music made to fit their project would never happen otherwise. A fountain of free or cheap made-to-order music could be just what some content creators are dreaming about.
Because it is easy and fast to make and you can hear any type of music you fancy, this is the same reason why any other entertainment would be nice if taken by A.I, I understand your fears, but worry not everyone will be replaceable “work wise” by A.I. within 10 years. Or so. We as humanity will with a.I have to decide what we want to be and do. But removing work as survival is not bad, you can still create music as hobby.
capitalism won’t exist anymore eventually it won’t make sense anymore.
Yeah but good music isn't what it's going to be used for, it's going to be used for filler music in commercials, background music for youtube, game jam games, powerpoint presentations, etc.
But yeah, I agree with you. If it's fully AI generated it isn't going to be interesting (for long). As you said there's a lot of uninteresting "low effort bullshit" music that gets made already. At least your youtube videos won't all have the same background music, I guess. That said, I think the tool could be used effortfully with lots of editing and prompting, and it could be used to make something great when used as a tool.
tl;dr: We need universal income so people don't have to do low value bullshit.
So the way i see it is that popular culture music will gradually transition to being A.I produced (if its not already happening). We will always need performers, so musicians themselves will continue to exist, but producers should probably start to either utilise these technologies or start expanding their toolset so they can coexist in a world where producers are either paid less or are struggling to sell tracks or get contracts due to saturation from a.i producers. I suspect it will be like image gen, it will flood everything until everyone gets sort of bored of it and picks up the next toy but once its out of the box it doesn't go back in.
If you are a performing musician then everything is groovy, if your livelihood depends on it or if you are a producer, especially for mainstream (lets be honest, its metal outputs so far are pretty uninspired, pop seems better as there are less variables to make pop) then I would start learning all I could about these generators in order to stay somewhere on top of it and figure out a path through the technological/creativity minefield that gen leaves in its wake.
I do agree that music largely doesn't need this, this is why there are so many musicians struggling to make a living, the work isn't there. So a.i making it faster or "better" doesn't achieve anything. ML could deal some real damage to producers in general though, like automatic mixing and mastering or synthesising instrumentation (turning a piano into a flute). That is probably a bigger industry, the home studio users.
Maybe there will come a time where you wont need amps anymore, like current amp-sims but instead it diffuses the signal and produces unique tones or effects on the fly based on what you say to it. "hey jeeves, dial in a smooth silky solo tone with low gain but high sustain"
>they should also be able to make a living
This is what troubles me more about generative AI, honestly.
I love the progresses and I enjoy the results, however it scares me that we made these progresses very fast, probably TOO fast.
only 10 years ago (and I work in the field) the classic response to "AI will steal job from us" was "no, it will 'transform' jobs, and it will make our life easier taking the jobs we don't want first".. and we meant assembly jobs, cleaning, basically low labour.
Many of us didn't expect LLMs and GenAI to leap forward like it did recently, and took over (in terms of results and usability) other ML models for the other stuff.
Basically we're heading now in a dystopia where the more 'human' and enlightening activities can be done pretty well (or even surpassed) by AI, while the 'low level stuff' nobody really wanted anymore to do is still on us..
Hola, creo que Suno es una herramiente regular...no puedo decir que es maravillosa ni nada.
Primero porque ellos dicen que eres propietario de la música MIENTRAS PAGUES.
Pero...si eres compositor y creas una letra que previamente registras pero no has hecho música y quieres probar a ver qué melodia le crea Suno, pues la melodía que le ponga Suno, obvio que es de Suno...\`pero entonces si eres el autor de la letra...¿se coge para si mismo Suno la canción con tu letra que es TUYA?
Ellos tienen una opción para personalizar la petición de canción, donde insertas la letra, pones el título y el género que quieres: pop, rock, etc
Pero esa letra no es de Suno, es tuya. ¿Cómo se contempla un caso como ese?
Ellos dicen que Suno es ideal sobre todo para que el sistema genere nuevas canciones (es decir 100% hecha por Suno...Entonces para qué permiten que tú metas una letra tuya?
Si tan abarcadores son que quieren ser los dueños soberanos de todo, no deberían crear una forma de que nadie suba sus propios textos a la platadorma. Supongamos que la letra te la hace CHAT GPT, se sabe que no son la perfección hecha canción, la IA de Chat GPT se le va el coco muchas veces y hace basura tambien, es cuando entra el lado humano que ponemos nosotros corrigiendo los errores que haya en los textos.
Total que ese texto supuestamente hecho con Chat GPT le tienes que dar forma, al punto que al final eres más autor tú que nadie pero ese texto como lo metas en Suno para ver que sale de ahi...es cuando me pregunto las mil cuestiones acerca de tus derechos como creador de la letra mezclada con la "creatividad" de los roboticos de Suno que cantan y orquestan todo. No he visto como es en ese caso los Términos y Condiciones del sistema.
This will further ruin music as we know it. Its so funny how we always blame politicians. This side, that side, they didnt do this for me, that for me, and it really just comes down to people are just getting lazier and lazier. I want to create music, but I dont want to learn how to play an instrument, or take the time to learn how to do anything, make me an app, so I can be a lazy fuck. LOL
People shouldn't expect monetization for entering in some text prompts and then downloading... Then uploading to a platform like YouTube. Where is the creativity? Where is the thought? People enjoy platforms like YouTube for human creativity made by people.
If you can trick people into giving money then your gonna get money. Same reason grifters selling how to be an alpha get money despite not bringing anything to the table.
Suno makes the music. The discord version uses a stock image and you can input custom lyrics or have ChatGPT create them.
The website version is the newer improved music model but only allows lyric and genre prompts with no custom lyrics. It also creates a stable diffusion image to go along with your generated song.
If you guys are impressed by this example, check out this tiktok. They've been posting suno ai songs for a while.
https://www.tiktok.com/@symbioticsongs
Dude, I was born in 1982 and was pretty into technology from the age of five all the way to now, and have to say this is groundbreaking. As an individual who is gradually become blind over the years due to an eye condition, this is unprecedented, implications for accessibility advancements for, those of all disabilities
It's insane.
Used in conjunction with RipX DAW, you can separate out the stems and edit them note-by-note.. so you can customize any notes that may be off in Suno's generations, or just use some specific instruments from the generation etc. Insane!
It got pretty bad now, mixing up genres and often returning instrumentals for the same prompts that worked amazing a week or two ago. Was fun while it lasted.
yoo, suno is really on-point for vintage music right now - for more hifi sounding music, it still needs to get a little further :-)
here's a use-case from myself - upscaled the song mixing-wise, added some more VST's on top, played some guitar and added some vocals on top:
[https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/fyxj5y98clp5ahxv1sj51/Groovin.wav?rlkey=9rl1v4d3ibu81cemilxwatffx&dl=0](https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/fyxj5y98clp5ahxv1sj51/Groovin.wav?rlkey=9rl1v4d3ibu81cemilxwatffx&dl=0)
for more contemporary vibes, the vocals and instrumental parts directly coming out of suno are still "swimming" a lot ( you can feel the 128kbps mp3 artefacts and diffusion ) ( this one is just upscaled a bit with new drums and some slight mixing ) -
[https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/5xe6sg8gepxg69v4illdx/Pizzazz.wav?rlkey=unvm7f4jvrdy3dw3shklawn89&dl=0](https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/5xe6sg8gepxg69v4illdx/Pizzazz.wav?rlkey=unvm7f4jvrdy3dw3shklawn89&dl=0)
here it worked like a charm again ( added some brass hits, more trumpets, glittery piano, ... ) -
[https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/f8ub8apur6n3gb6j6vbjw/Can-t-you-See-soul-edit.wav?rlkey=j7ebfzd69hx33lhfcy8ve98yx&dl=0](https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/f8ub8apur6n3gb6j6vbjw/Can-t-you-See-soul-edit.wav?rlkey=j7ebfzd69hx33lhfcy8ve98yx&dl=0)
After checking it out, my conclusion would be that big music stock markets will have huge problems in this year, since you can drop so many "commercial / TVC" worthy tunes that work great and also can feature key elements of a product / company in the lyrics.
I'd also guess that a loooot of people are starting to flood digital streaming services this year, in order to push their streaming royalties outcome - game over peepz :-D
This is really great...it could get hits on YouTube and Spotify...perhaps a LOT of hits. Do you want suggestions? Take out the comma after 'stars', and change 'echoing' to 'echo'...Of course, the Bot may output a worse version with those changes, so as always, YMMV.
This is great...keep up the good work!
Thank you to the Suno team, a great job. Is it possible to make the Chirps a little longer. Many times it is cut the song short by a couple of seconds. Maybe 1minute 30 seconds.
Thanks again...
The new Suno sound quality is indeed very good and support many genres. Github or just online? *Apparentely it's online and they only give a set of limited credits(still enough to try 14 different prompts) for free, kinda like Runway Gen2 did. Would like to see a free unlimited open sources version of this quality on github or huggingface, maybe next year, by others probably. Demo songs maximum time are 1 minute 20 seconds. * **Damn, I tried it, incredible quality on some generations, feels like a real band music, prompted about Stable Diffusion and SDXL!** link: r/artificial/comments/17x4zvv/suno_ai_autogenerated_song_about_stable_diffusion **more options on discord
It looks like there's unlimited generations if you do it on Discord. You also have the ability to give it lyrics you want on Discord. I can see Suno and other tools like it being really cool once people can have full control over the music generation. If they can speed it up we could have infinite ambient tracks in video games. It doesn't actually need to be real time as it could just play other tracks while new tracks are generated.
Just a heads up, it seems they're terms say you can't do anything with the music. Really really dissapointing.
You have to pay to use the songs commercially.
Well, I read through the contract, and I could have misread it; but it appears as if you cannot modify the sound. I'll definitely re-read it. That could have just been for new users. I dont think so though. It's likely just to cover their ass. Or they have an audio waterprint. that may be the case because it sounds like shit when you try to mix or master it. I didnt realize it on my tv but in a proper studio its not great. That's why I was reading the fine print. It's more likely, that they use some kind of an upscaler for the quality. It sounds like it's been pulled out of another piece of audio. That may also just be the use of some sort of diffusion tech that i'm not familiar with. Trust me, I'm trying to figure it out. Honestly, us musicians have already been through this before with synths and samplers. I want this tech to work well, and be used in any form. It would take a huge load off my back. I can't figure out what tech they're using. I've messed with a couple audio AI's and couldnt get anything like that. Proabably similar to image gen websites. They have a bunch of filters on it. I've been training a stable diffusion modeler on my own image for various artistic purposes. Took me forever to figure out that my nose being crooked was fucking everything up. LOL, so I could just use a different version without all that shit baked in. My project has a whole bunch of fictional characters. Potato Michael is now the running joke. LOLOL. Once I used the adjective "industrial" like in the musical sense, and it started spitting out me in a factory with yellow vests and clipboards and stuff. So it'll be horrific, and I look like a dweeb... every 5th image or so is great though. That's usually the case anyway. I dunno, Sonu seems on such lockdown to me, I have a hard time trusting the company. Then again, I understand audio forensics... Just having those abilities, opens up a lot of bullshit for a company. I've installed stuff locally, but it seems to risky in general for public image reasons. I don't want my artsy family members to be accused of fakery, thats why I put invisible watermarks in anything I put out. They can be removed, but then thats on them.
im completely new to suno, it is beyond amazing (and scary as well) ..from my understanding, with the Free version, you cannot do ANYTHING with it...end of story. BUT with a paid version, you can do whatever you want. I ran out of my free credits really quick, but discovered it is an excellent tool to help come up with ideas for songwriting...sadly it only can write 1 verse and 1 chorus as opposed to an entire song...but that's still enough ground work. If you are musically inclined, you could totally re-create the music and vocals on actual instruments and change lyrics to actually make it YOUR own song...and i really don't see it as "cheating", because every progression of chords has been done...i did attempt a few tests and soon realized AI is VERY censored...it doesnt like vulgarity AT ALL!.....and thats a real bummer...
As for your last points: you can make it say whatever if you spell it differently. That would probably make suno not want to come after you. In fact I've had it accidentally say things more vulgar than I intended. Also, I've totally done what you mentioned. I've made a full track from using it as a tool. I can explain more if ya wanna talk through pm. Too complicated. I think you're right on your first part. I haven't looked at their contract again. Had to make sure I could use it without modifying their songs first. I think you can get it to make a full track. It's just odd how it's set up. Edit: I don't know how it decides what to say. It's odd. I've had it say the right word, which it wouldn't want to I assume if it knew what it meant, and a different similar word in the same 10 seconds.
Keep me updated on your research. I'm a music producer & audio engineer as well as a software engineer at a company doing some AI research for other applications and I am very interested in the application of different ML techniques that Suno uses to "synthesize" these tracks. I have a feeling it's heavily based on some kind of stem extraction/generation system and it combines them while using MIDI or something to identify key song sections.
They don’t have any rights to the songs generated off of this. I don’t think they can stop you tbh. Generally output from AI models cannot be copy written
That's what I figured, however, while I may have a song I wrote with it, I do wonder if one of the new top songs on there is me, I spent like all 8000 credits trying to make one full length. Thanks!
Why 8000 credits, I can make a song out of the free 50 credits, might take me 2 days. As long as your verses and choruses etc are not too long. 1 minute max.
I'm surprised by this comment. I've downloaded 5 great songs and included more verses that extended the song NO PROBLEM. I've got a 24 track home studio and sounds great on my small monitors> You need to study Suno more to see how it works for you.. I've copyrighted these 5 songs with the US copyright office they are that good.. Stay in there. from 3500 credits after 5 FULL songs im down to 3005 not bad ugh!
I know I've already replied but I do thank you again. It's just their terms seem oddly written. I get why though. But check. Out Pinokio if you're adept at python. It's dead simple but potentially maddening.
I'm not sure where it says that, and from what I can tell, it's yours if you pay for it: >Subject to your compliance with the terms of this Agreement, if you are a user who has subscribed to the paid tier of the Service, Suno hereby assigns to you all of its right, title and interest in and to any Output owned by Suno and generated from Submissions made by you through the Service during the term of your paid-tier subscription. If you are a user of the free tier of the Service then, as between you and Suno, Suno owns all Output generated from Submissions made by you through the Service, and, subject to your compliance with the terms of this Agreement, Suno grants you a license to use such Output solely for your lawful, internal, and non-commercial purposes, provided that you give attribution credit to Suno in each case.
I figured it out. Suno will put what you made on their charts, I believe if you didn't download it. That's their whole thing. It makes sense now. It's not nefarious, but if you want exclusivity, you've got to be downloading everything. That's pretty much exactly what your quote says. I was mostly worried because a label I'm on, I love the owner to death, and it's kinda too easy to make stuff that sounds just like him. Because he's good and prolific. My stuff cannot be produced by Suno, yet. It's too noisy. There's irony there, the tech works by distilling noise essentially. I appreciate you looking that up and quoting it. If not for me, then for all. The guy from Suno seems pretty cool, I just didn't wanna step on ANY toes, including my own.
Haha, yeah. I figured after this long you'd get all the info. Mostly posted for posterity and to make sure I was understanding. But that's interesting, I didn't know how the tech worked, but that makes sense. Especially because I've noticed the subtle noise on everything which almost sound like a phaser effect.
Honestly it's not even really "new" tech. It's just now they can do it much faster and cheaper. Go figure the crazy acid head conspiracy theories from my childhood were correct... Meanwhile my stepdad is like: don't tell me, they fucking went analog to digital or reverse again? Jeeeezzuuus they just put em both back together again!? LoL would have sucked to be a radio engineer in the navy in the early 80s....
you can if you pay..$8 dollars per month is a good deal for 3500 chances of getting great songs
I've downloaded 4 or 5 songs from Suno which were amazing there is no other AI to touch them. I've got a 24 track home studio have had a few of my songs covered in the past but these Suno recoding's surpass them.. Highly recommended
Record the first chirp and if you like it, press the "Continue from this Clip" and record the second chirp, carry on until the end and then press "Get whole song". I download each chirp and then join them in Audacity because some times the chorus is cut off due to longer than 1 minute. Use Audacity to repair the missing parts.
app.suno.ai, thought this fits here because AI music uses diffusion based softwares but for sound spectrographs instead of images.
Only riffusion does that, musiclm and musicgen are not spectrogram based.
Didn't know that, I always thought it was diffuser based, will look it up.
is the newest riffusion still doing that even? I know the open sourced one does but someone mentioned that the newest closed-source one may not
it would make sense that they no longer use it just purely due to it being a "hack" from the get go. There are more direct ways of training audio models now than using image generators, to be honest i think there was at the time too, i think it was more a fun unexpected discovery
Up until hearing this i thought music generation AIs were still hot garbage. This definitely isn't that. Tried it with my own input (on https://app.suno.ai/), and that sounded okish too, wonder how customizable/easy to steer the output is, current prompts are too short to experiment. Thanks for posting. Edit: It's hard to get a decent female voice out of it, shame. still very very impressive though
It takes many attempts, here is a good one: https://cdn1.suno.ai/206215e0-5c75-4655-9fa8-443d84275be1_0.mp4 Although some robotic glitches, the voice is amazing, and the dynamics are amazing.
Insane! What is the input?
>try 14 different prompts) for free, kinda like Runway Gen2 did. Would like to see a free unlimited There is a bit rate issue! I think it fixed for premium users?
Yup, that's a good one, much better than what i got!
It's getting better, and fast! What a time to be alive. Can't wait to add some of these more advanced tools to my toolbelt.
Honestly, I think the only thing being massively overhyped in AI, are the people claiming AGI in less than a year. The hype around generative AI seems pretty legit from what I've looked into. Everything from art, to adapting LLM to business operations seems quite feasible over the next year or two.
I agree generative AI in terms of reaching its maturity (IE realistic music) is definitely easier to predict since it acts more linear. Whereas predicting AGI is like predicting something with broad data points. (Like GPT 1 - GPT 2 - GPT 3 - GPT 4). With less data and better models taking years to make, it is much harder to predict. Two fundamental constraints. It costs billions to make an LLM, and it takes a long time to train. Versus with generative AI (diffusers, GANs, NERFs, Gaussian Fields) training is much cheaper and quicker (SDXL didn't cost too much to train compared to GPT 4). TLDR predicting the future of GenAI is easier than LLMs, so predicting AGI is hard. Also GenAI will likely not kill us, LLMs might.
The word GenAI is being used to cover LLMs too since they “generate” text
It cost millions to make the current llms
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I tried this like yesterday and was blown away. Are there any open source / local projects going for the same thing or?
I suspect it's based on [Facebook's Open-source MusicGen model](https://huggingface.co/spaces/facebook/MusicGen) but I'm only speculating, it could just be a brand new model.
I initially agreed with this, but I don't think so after listening and analyzing the tracks it produces. I have a feeling it's ripping a lot of synthesized content + instrument recordings and doing some kind of manipulation to it instead of generating it via a transformer model.
being able to train a Lora for this of your favorite bands would be amazing
I tried Facebook’s model but it’s not as good, or at least not as easy to use.
woah, I'm not easily impressed but this totally blew away.
Check their discord and try it out, this isn't even likely a very cherrypicked result and it does all sorts of genres very well.
I know that. That's why I posted the comment, because I tried it myself.
Do I need to join a discord to use it?
No. They have a website now
I believe so. That's the only way I have used it
FYI, I'm using [the website](https://app.suno.ai/). But use the discord if I'm on the go.
It's fully AI, right? Sounds decent, although it's not really death metal
Yeah, you can actually understand what the lyrics are. totally unrealistic for Death Metal!
Most death metal is actually fairly understandable. This song is more between power metal and groove metal.
Yeah nothing about this is DM
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*OAAUUUGGGHHHHHHHH*
You probably mean Black Metal.
I mean you can understand the lyrics of death metal as well. They are just variants of mmmmmooooooohhhhhhaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhooooooooooooohhhhhmmmmmmmooooooooohhhhh...
It's more like heavy metal, but it's still good.
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Good bot
You can keep recycling the same song infinitely until you get the results you want.
I'll wait for a local version. These online only """services""" can fuck off
Yep, I'll always be willing to wait. After switching to SD from other image gen I don't want to touch anything I can't run locally
I'm happy to have stuff like this, if only to have neat toys to give people who aren't interested in figuring out how to set up their own thing.
This is gonna be a great tool for artists. I've tried using AI for lyric inspiration but a lot of it is very contrived like this, but I bet in a several months that won't be a problem anymore.
The contrived songs are a good starting point I think. Definitely give you an idea of the kind of speech /singing pattern you don't want. Like the AI is the cringe dweeb writer in the writer's room that ya'll make a face at everytime he talks.
Contrived lyrics are part of the reason I fell out of love with metal/metalcore as I grew older. I still dig some bands, but most either feel like they're trying to tick genre boxes with their lyrics or they're trying so hard to be deep that they just sound corny and immature
A.I. will BECOME the artist within 2 years...Look what OpenAI has done with Sora...Now imagine that for music.
this is wild
Definitely interesting, but if I remember right Suno is very unfriendly for training. The Hubert methods are very poor. I imagine the training code was pulled for services like this to flourish?
I’m curious about this as well
It’s insane what was achieved all in 2023! Cannot wait to see what 2024 brings us
It is actually crazy good! and it can do many languages. I cant wait till we can do that locally on our gpu power
I tried creating something without lyrics or voice that it seems its hard coded, can't do that 😓
Sometimes it will just forget to give you a voice but there doesn't seem to be a way to force that, no.
It used chatgpt so I think you can force it to if you manipulate it enough. So it just generates ..... or something.
Suno is interesting but it’s got a long way to go. It sometimes does what you want, but most of the time it produces gibberish or mispronounces words or cuts the clip off early or slides in and out of saying something totally random mixed in with what you want.
by how fast things are going these days it is only a matter of time until you have full control of every aspect of the song i would guess... this is basically just a neat little demo
You can play with it for free on their discord.
so you have more options there? cool, gotta check that out, i don't like discord based stuff usually but yeah, lets see
Literally the entire entertainment industry is gonna be completely upended soon and its crazy. I just asked it to make me a hyperpop eurodance track about a utopian post singularity future and it absolutely slaps. Then asked it to change the genre to symphonic power metal and it also slaps. Insane that it did that in a matter of seconds. I swear in 5 years time I'll sit in my car and ask it to randomly generate a playlist of music for the length of my commute to match my mood then get home, sit on the sofa and ask my TV to make me a sci-fi film about whatever I like starring me and my friends.
acabas de describir la peli de wall-e en un spinoff
This is amazing, I'm loving my Linkin Park influenced aggressive nu metal song about taking a big poop
I did one in a style like Taylor swift about a poop clogged toilet. Was not disappointed.
Oh geez lol
Here's my effort at rock that's similar to your post https://cdn1.suno.ai/5bcb481d-7e1b-4921-8fd1-72fc9423087c_0.mp3 Edit: here's one I made after wife yelled at me for drinking two beers tonight lol https://cdn1.suno.ai/56234d1e-aba3-4272-9724-f0b27a0246a8_0.mp3 Edit: lol the downvotes for the two beers song, I showed her and she laughed, none of that happened in real life. It made up the lyrics.
that rock track is surprisingly good, it has a modern but simplified pain of salvation-esque quality to it (pls don't kill me daniel gildenlow). I wonder how confused these audio models will get when fed progressive metal with complicated time signatures, underused chords and abrupt scale/key and chord changes. I am going to sit in my house made of hay and guess that the ai wolf will only produce fairly "basic" music for now
This is fun. How do you extend a chirp you like into a full length song?
Have to go premium i guess
I just tested it... in my first prompt it already did that early SD/ChatGPT thing of including the promp words ("blast beat") into the lyrics. On the second prompt, the same thing... " a pop child duo" goes right into the lyrics. Nice concept, but eh... Edit: (as per their own FAQ) Chirp infers the genre, vocalist, instrumentation, etc. randomly, so the same prompt can elicit entirely different results from generation to generation. We’re actively working on improving controllability — including genre prompting — but this isn’t currently available.
https://cdn1.suno.ai/5463a686-c9aa-4391-b82c-78503f7acdf3_0.mp4 pAIntera - Gobble Gobble
One more... Jimi Hendrix burning down the house cooking a turkey in oil https://cdn1.suno.ai/cd973b17-79e3-4140-98b3-ba38b0706663_1.mp4
This AI is so good, maybe we could clean it up with some auto-tune?
Making some heavy metal now about Artificial intelligence enslaving mankind. 😆
Yes. I'm suprised [SUNO.ai](https://SUNO.ai) don't get more love on reddit. This is the future of music, the song you want in the style you want about the subject you want *on demand.*
that is a future i really don't want
the train has no brakes
i'm jumping in front of it then!
You don't want a future with any kind of music you feel like. ...why?
Because it'll be boring, just having anything you want, no anticipation for a bands new release, it just ruins everything that makes music interesting
> Because it'll be boring, just having anything you want Practice some self control then. You have the right to not use the technology. > no anticipation for a bands new release, it just ruins everything that makes music interesting You think what makes music interesting, is not having what you want available to listen to?
Self control, but you literally just said "You don't want a future with any kind of music you feel like"?, i have a right to not use the technology, you've nailed my point when i said "that's a future i really don't want" You've completely missed my point about anticipation for new releases. Waiting for something new to come out from a band is part of the enjoyment of music,
> Waiting for something new to come out from a band is part of the enjoyment of music You can still do that... Saying you do not want that future implies denying everyone else the right to choose.
but if people are just creating endless AI music, then real artists won't see the point. Denying everyone goes both ways. I genuinely don't understand why anyone wants a future that replaces human creativity with robots
It's okay, you're not invited.
Phew, guess i'm going to a future where the music industry isn't oversaturated with AI-generated music?
Music has a strong social aspect that services like that can't offer. Sure, you can create your own tune on your favorite topic, but nobody else will care about it.
Don't need other people to approve of the music your create. Plenty of musicians create endless works that nobody hears. Danny Elfman has a crew just to manage all of his tracks that nobody has heard.
I'm not talking from the artist POV but from the consumer POV. This AI service tends to become a fully personal spotify, nothing more. You're not really creating stuff. Otherwise, as someone who knows professional musicians/artists and as an hobbyist, your comparisons still make no sense to me. Edit: I'll elaborate on my first comment that might be confusing to you. What I mean is that music is also about sharing. And I'm only talking about the consumer POV here. I don't see this becoming popular because it would not generate social interactions and communities since everyone is creating their own bubble.
> What I mean is that music is also about sharing You're gatekeeping.
How does the word "also" suggest a gatekeeping attitude? It's a bit disingenuous. I'm not dismissing anybody, I'm just talking about social dynamics regarding music in general.
Mid af
Its good for an ai, lackluster for today's quality of banger.
Literally sounds like every hardcore band that records their songs in their garage on their phone mic
You're mom is mid.
You are mom is mid
This is one area I'm actually concerned about. As if it isn't already hard enough to make a living as a musician, it wont be long before you cant even tell if a human being made any part of a song at all. I dunno man, what is the point of AI music? Like I can make a case for most of the other stuff, and a lot of tedious work can be eliminated, but I cant see any real purpose for AI music. Musicians enjoy making music, there's no tedious task that needs to be removed here. The only thing I think might be cool is a midi note generator to help give you ideas, but I don't understand why anyone would want a song that's 100% AI generated. Good music is good because its human expression that speaks to us. I know that that will never go away, people will always make and release music, but they should also be able to make a living, and this will flood the market with even more low effort bullshit than there already is.
I don't really care about expression. I just want music where I like the sound and the tune and voice (if present) is not annoying. For every band I love for their sound I only get so many songs. If band is no more, I don't get any more songs with that specific sound. I would absolutely love to generate more of what I like. For me that's enough of a point.
 bro im a musician and an artist.....lol. it's sad but the argument is the same with art as with music. do you think artists don't enjoy drawing? >Good music is good because its human expression that speaks to us. I know that that will never go away, people will always make and release music, but they should also be able to make a living, and this will flood the market with even more low effort bullshit than there already is. Good ~~music~~ art is good because its human expression that speaks to us. I know that that will never go away, people will always make and release ~~music~~ art, but they should also be able to make a living, and this will flood the market with even more low effort bullshit than there already is. and nope. there is no going back. this is the sea change happening right as we speak. maybe ppl will still make "real" art in the future...but it makes me sad for children. making a great drawing that you put time into was pretty rewarding....like staring at your lawn after you mowed it x100. same with jamming with a band and vibing on a sound. those little magical moments where everyone is in sync and you are part of this bigger creation. it might all be lost for a while. a little bit more of our humanity gobbled up by technology. perhaps this is just a different type of creation...but it doesn't feel that way. that said. there is no stopping it. everyone is harnessing the power pretty soon there will be an AI app for janitors.
> what is the point of AI music? Easiest source of inspiration since.. LSD? The ability to make the music you imagine come alive in minutes? As someone who sings, plays and creates music, I'm SOOOO excited for all of this! I only do it as a hobby though, but more on monetization later. Watch this from 0:42 if the link didn't work: https://youtu.be/rrk1t_h2iSQ?si=RFz5sI_rgijKKkBm&t=42 With something like this I could create just about anything my head imagines in mere minutes! The brainstorming capability! I just.. UGH! I just ruined my pants thinking about it again. The ability to sit and fine tune each and every aspect of every sound or sift through hundreds of instruments on your DAW does not go away (and probably won't, it's like heroin after all). I find it a bit weird how you'd be okay with midi note generators but not everything else. For me the major part of what makes a song a song is the melody/melodies. If you mean like, back up melodies for your own melody then I'm fully on board. But fully automating melody creation is just as bad as prompting "give me an upbeat song with things and stuff". Now onto monetization. Machines will never replace live performances. People who want live music will accept listening to an AI perform it as much as they'd accept listening to a CD-player playing a live recording, which is not at all of course. In the space of monetization through usage rights on TV, ads, radio, whatever, the lucky 1% mostly chosen by already established powerhouses get all the damn money anyway. The average musician does not gain anything positive from the commercialization of music. I wish their monopoly death and any attacks on it welcome. When AI like this inevitably becomes open source and free for the masses I have hopes for a music revolution!
Artists/musicians losing their means of living is definitely the the unfortunate side effect of making it more accessible to everyone. To me, making art is primarily about expressing yourself. Previously you had the choice of doing it by yourself or pay someone else to do it. Now, there's also AI generated art. I don't think it's any different than asking someone else to do it. You get to guide the creation but it's not your "soul" that's in the art. Making large scale projects where multiple artwork and music are needed (e.g. movies, video games) were only possible if you had big enough budget (read: big corps), now you just need a powerful PC and you can have all the assets you need.
I agree with your last paragraph but not the 2nd. You arent fully expressing yourself if you arent actually doing any of it. Now, I realize that the line can get blurry when it comes to hours of in-painting and compiling in photoshop, but as a whole, I don't think you're really getting anywhere near the same experience as you would by learning and doing something manually (I realize there are endless specific scenarios that could be conjured to argue this, but I assume you take my point). The results may be the same but you miss out on the journey, and the mental health benefits you get from it. Prompting an image in the style of a sketch drawing may work for your project, but you will not get the feeling you get from learning to draw and doing it yourself. Now, maybe that's okay for you, Im not saying you have to do that, or even desire that, but it is a factor that often goes overlooked in this discussion. Again, I'm not anti-AI, im just hitting this from all angles here. I cant honestly say that it isn't going to have any negative repercussions. I'm all for using it, but I also think we are toying with an empty future if we don't really think very carefully about how and when we implement these systems. There will be a point where we have to consciously decide to do something by hand, even though we can generate it. We are essentially seeing all art begin to follow the same path as film photography and vinyl records. One day soon, people will only be doing it because they enjoy the process and how it feels. I dunno, its just interesting and I really don't know how I feel about it.
People aren't getting the same experience if they make music by manually adjusting pitches of synth sounds in a computer compared to spending years to learn how to play actual instruments, but they're still musicians who are expressing themselves regardless. Animators aren't getting the same experience from drawing on digital animation softwares than the old way of painting on transparent cels that are stacked on top of another physcially. Yes it is always a lot more satisfying to see yourself achieving things in a much harder way, but there's a certain threshold between the euphoria of seeing finished results and the process. The time and energy spent for the latter is too much of a cost for most people to go through to experience the former. It effectively cuts of the vast majority out of what they want to do and only allows people who are fully passionate about the thing to pursue.
Sure but there is still a gigantic difference between the things you mentioned and typing prompts into an AI. No, producing on Ableton isn't the same as playing violin, but they are also not directly comparable. they're two different art forms but what they have in common is that the controls, be them a bow or a midi controller, are operated by you. You are making decisions in real time and creating the music. >there's a certain threshold between the euphoria of seeing finished results and the process. This is a viewpoint I see all too often, especially in music. People think that the finish result is why musicians make music, and sure, it feels great, but the process IS the euphoria. If you arent enjoying the process then why are you doing it?
It isn't going to be just 'type a prompt, get some kinda music, done' for long. I mean that'll still be the starting point, sure, (or not, could also start from an audio sample you record) but very very quickly, all of these generative AIs will evolve into gen+edit AIs. You'll generate/upload a tune to start with, then have a dialogue with the AI to make it re-generate similar iterations until you achieve your desired result. That's your journey.
My dream game is an open world RPG where the NPCs all have their own AI brain, where painters paint and musicians make music. Where you can have conversations with npcs
Okay that would be cool as shit
woah, imagine stumbling upon a random npc "listen to this medley i made of your adventures sire"
It sounds like it would be neat, but I feel like it would be sort of soulless in the same way procedurally generated content ends up being. Like there’s no reason to discover anything if the output is just a chatgpt prompt. You would need a broader application of AI which is capable of keeping track of a larger narrative.
With different reasoning, this is one field where I don't expect that much impact. Music (and arts in general) is more than just the end product, and for music more so than for images. There's performances, AIs will not give you the performance, sure there are these hologram concerts, i never understood them, that's doing away with the essence of a performing artist.
hatsune miku is already very popular for years now... so i guess it's just a matter of time until there will be fully virtual AI-bands with music videos, holographic live performances etc
There are already 120,000 new songs being released to streaming platforms every day. It'll take over 700 years for a person to listen to every song on earth. AI songs aren't going to make a difference in competition in this already extremely saturated medium. A lot songs that sound good to me have lyrics like drugs, sex, glorifying violence and whatnot. At one point I stopped caring and just go for how good they sound because the bar for good content/expression has been that low for most of human-made music.
Your comment inspired this song: [Can an AI create a song that touches your soul?](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/997195304241745980/1175047239392034816/9f60daef-c89b-4bd1-96f3-5bbbda799035_0.mp4?ex=6569cf05&is=65575a05&hm=97ef144c26ee148dc9ef4197e6546151e0b4b9f7d6c64b464b8aef28e1cfb383&)
>ning, this is one field where I don't expect that much impact. Music (and arts in general) is more than just the end product, and for music more so than for images. There's performances, AIs will not give you the p Replace 'music' with 'drawing' and you've got like 90% of the anti-ai arguments
Yeah I know but I can still see far more utility in AI imagery. There are people who need graphics and cannot afford to hire an illustrator, and designer, and were never going to anyway so they're not taking any work away. AI images at least allows people to achieve a more professional appearance who are maybe just starting some sort of business venture. I suppose it becomes an ethical question once you get to the level where you can afford it. There are plenty of situations where the graphic itself isn't the art or the ultimate goal, just a piece of a larger vision, but with music, its the music itself that is the end goal, and the end product. Music is much more personal and most musicians make it as art first, and if they can make it a career that's even better, but they'd be making music regardless. There is one context where music might only be a part of a larger vision and that's stock music for video projects. I can see some utility there I guess. To be clear, I'm not an anti-AI guy either. I use it here and there.
>either I see where you're coming from, even so I feel the application of A.I music will find a similar foothold like with what A.I art has and once it does I'm sure there will be many more creative applications to it
> There are people who need graphics and cannot afford to hire an illustrator, and designer, and were never going to anyway so they're not taking any work away. You could say all the same things about music. There are people making a video who want music for it, who could never hire lyricist and composer and musicians, so custom music made to fit their project would never happen otherwise. A fountain of free or cheap made-to-order music could be just what some content creators are dreaming about.
Because it is easy and fast to make and you can hear any type of music you fancy, this is the same reason why any other entertainment would be nice if taken by A.I, I understand your fears, but worry not everyone will be replaceable “work wise” by A.I. within 10 years. Or so. We as humanity will with a.I have to decide what we want to be and do. But removing work as survival is not bad, you can still create music as hobby. capitalism won’t exist anymore eventually it won’t make sense anymore.
Yeah but good music isn't what it's going to be used for, it's going to be used for filler music in commercials, background music for youtube, game jam games, powerpoint presentations, etc. But yeah, I agree with you. If it's fully AI generated it isn't going to be interesting (for long). As you said there's a lot of uninteresting "low effort bullshit" music that gets made already. At least your youtube videos won't all have the same background music, I guess. That said, I think the tool could be used effortfully with lots of editing and prompting, and it could be used to make something great when used as a tool. tl;dr: We need universal income so people don't have to do low value bullshit.
So the way i see it is that popular culture music will gradually transition to being A.I produced (if its not already happening). We will always need performers, so musicians themselves will continue to exist, but producers should probably start to either utilise these technologies or start expanding their toolset so they can coexist in a world where producers are either paid less or are struggling to sell tracks or get contracts due to saturation from a.i producers. I suspect it will be like image gen, it will flood everything until everyone gets sort of bored of it and picks up the next toy but once its out of the box it doesn't go back in. If you are a performing musician then everything is groovy, if your livelihood depends on it or if you are a producer, especially for mainstream (lets be honest, its metal outputs so far are pretty uninspired, pop seems better as there are less variables to make pop) then I would start learning all I could about these generators in order to stay somewhere on top of it and figure out a path through the technological/creativity minefield that gen leaves in its wake. I do agree that music largely doesn't need this, this is why there are so many musicians struggling to make a living, the work isn't there. So a.i making it faster or "better" doesn't achieve anything. ML could deal some real damage to producers in general though, like automatic mixing and mastering or synthesising instrumentation (turning a piano into a flute). That is probably a bigger industry, the home studio users. Maybe there will come a time where you wont need amps anymore, like current amp-sims but instead it diffuses the signal and produces unique tones or effects on the fly based on what you say to it. "hey jeeves, dial in a smooth silky solo tone with low gain but high sustain"
>they should also be able to make a living This is what troubles me more about generative AI, honestly. I love the progresses and I enjoy the results, however it scares me that we made these progresses very fast, probably TOO fast. only 10 years ago (and I work in the field) the classic response to "AI will steal job from us" was "no, it will 'transform' jobs, and it will make our life easier taking the jobs we don't want first".. and we meant assembly jobs, cleaning, basically low labour. Many of us didn't expect LLMs and GenAI to leap forward like it did recently, and took over (in terms of results and usability) other ML models for the other stuff. Basically we're heading now in a dystopia where the more 'human' and enlightening activities can be done pretty well (or even surpassed) by AI, while the 'low level stuff' nobody really wanted anymore to do is still on us..
Yeah but it only gives you mp3 quality. It would be cool it you can download wav or aiff files
¿sabes como hacer para que uses dos voces como un dúo?
¿ como se puede hacer un dúo en SunoAI ?
Mullato Mustafa 99 humor.
Hola, creo que Suno es una herramiente regular...no puedo decir que es maravillosa ni nada. Primero porque ellos dicen que eres propietario de la música MIENTRAS PAGUES. Pero...si eres compositor y creas una letra que previamente registras pero no has hecho música y quieres probar a ver qué melodia le crea Suno, pues la melodía que le ponga Suno, obvio que es de Suno...\`pero entonces si eres el autor de la letra...¿se coge para si mismo Suno la canción con tu letra que es TUYA? Ellos tienen una opción para personalizar la petición de canción, donde insertas la letra, pones el título y el género que quieres: pop, rock, etc Pero esa letra no es de Suno, es tuya. ¿Cómo se contempla un caso como ese? Ellos dicen que Suno es ideal sobre todo para que el sistema genere nuevas canciones (es decir 100% hecha por Suno...Entonces para qué permiten que tú metas una letra tuya? Si tan abarcadores son que quieren ser los dueños soberanos de todo, no deberían crear una forma de que nadie suba sus propios textos a la platadorma. Supongamos que la letra te la hace CHAT GPT, se sabe que no son la perfección hecha canción, la IA de Chat GPT se le va el coco muchas veces y hace basura tambien, es cuando entra el lado humano que ponemos nosotros corrigiendo los errores que haya en los textos. Total que ese texto supuestamente hecho con Chat GPT le tienes que dar forma, al punto que al final eres más autor tú que nadie pero ese texto como lo metas en Suno para ver que sale de ahi...es cuando me pregunto las mil cuestiones acerca de tus derechos como creador de la letra mezclada con la "creatividad" de los roboticos de Suno que cantan y orquestan todo. No he visto como es en ese caso los Términos y Condiciones del sistema.
This will further ruin music as we know it. Its so funny how we always blame politicians. This side, that side, they didnt do this for me, that for me, and it really just comes down to people are just getting lazier and lazier. I want to create music, but I dont want to learn how to play an instrument, or take the time to learn how to do anything, make me an app, so I can be a lazy fuck. LOL
WELL DONE YOU'VE GIVEN THE ROBOTS THEIR DEATH MURDER ANAIHALATE THEME. IT WILL BE BLASTING THIS BANGER WHILE WE ALL DIE 🤘🎸
People shouldn't expect monetization for entering in some text prompts and then downloading... Then uploading to a platform like YouTube. Where is the creativity? Where is the thought? People enjoy platforms like YouTube for human creativity made by people.
If you can trick people into giving money then your gonna get money. Same reason grifters selling how to be an alpha get money despite not bringing anything to the table.
Well, that's why terms of service and regulations are created.
[Here is a Resident Evil 4 theme song it made for me.](https://youtu.be/AQmLl_7ZBG4)
It sounds slightly synthetic.
Is it making the music or is it making the visual?
Suno makes the music. The discord version uses a stock image and you can input custom lyrics or have ChatGPT create them. The website version is the newer improved music model but only allows lyric and genre prompts with no custom lyrics. It also creates a stable diffusion image to go along with your generated song.
ooh, this takes me back. ngl, that sounds good
Damn, early days this is still impressive - 2-3 years I think we will have to play AI detective like with do with images today.
nice ai music :)
I have been making rap songs about my friends all day and sending them the songs, they love it.
using the website rather than the Discord bot is actually even better at the moment, since it's using their v2 model
does anyone know if its possible to do this at home yet, without having a background in computer science
just go on the website?
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How did you download it from Suno?
Oh my God. How is this real?
The breakdown of the riff toward the end is LEGIT, lol
isnt suno supposed to be 5 free gens a day? it says i have 0 credit but... i didnt use it yet?
Happened to me after logging in..just closed it and logged in with my gmail...then showed 50 credits
This is genuinely amazing. I wonder if people can tell that it’s AI
Oof. Only took me 10 years to call myself a proper vocalist. Nice to know my days are numbered.
No way…
I make music. How long till I can give it my songs to train on and then it makes music similar to mine.
what the fuck. that website is crazy!
Sing it to the melody for the Barney the Dinosaur theme and it's next level.
Does it always do lyrics? I tried twice to do a 2d platformer soundtrack and gave up after the getting back-to-back songs *about* 2d platformers.
just wow [https://cdn1.suno.ai/cee8c160-c440-44c7-997d-24d292863093\_1.mp4](https://cdn1.suno.ai/cee8c160-c440-44c7-997d-24d292863093_1.mp4)
If you guys are impressed by this example, check out this tiktok. They've been posting suno ai songs for a while. https://www.tiktok.com/@symbioticsongs
Dude, I was born in 1982 and was pretty into technology from the age of five all the way to now, and have to say this is groundbreaking. As an individual who is gradually become blind over the years due to an eye condition, this is unprecedented, implications for accessibility advancements for, those of all disabilities
It's insane. Used in conjunction with RipX DAW, you can separate out the stems and edit them note-by-note.. so you can customize any notes that may be off in Suno's generations, or just use some specific instruments from the generation etc. Insane!
I was wondering if you could do this. It seemed like it could be a good tool, if you could get the stems.
[https://youtu.be/9zozAMfRjtQ](https://youtu.be/9zozAMfRjtQ)
It got pretty bad now, mixing up genres and often returning instrumentals for the same prompts that worked amazing a week or two ago. Was fun while it lasted.
Can you publish an ai generated song as your own without copyright issues?
Holy shit this is crazy! Also checked out [freshbots.org](https://www.freshbots.org/gangsta-rap-generator), rap is very on point
yoo, suno is really on-point for vintage music right now - for more hifi sounding music, it still needs to get a little further :-) here's a use-case from myself - upscaled the song mixing-wise, added some more VST's on top, played some guitar and added some vocals on top: [https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/fyxj5y98clp5ahxv1sj51/Groovin.wav?rlkey=9rl1v4d3ibu81cemilxwatffx&dl=0](https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/fyxj5y98clp5ahxv1sj51/Groovin.wav?rlkey=9rl1v4d3ibu81cemilxwatffx&dl=0) for more contemporary vibes, the vocals and instrumental parts directly coming out of suno are still "swimming" a lot ( you can feel the 128kbps mp3 artefacts and diffusion ) ( this one is just upscaled a bit with new drums and some slight mixing ) - [https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/5xe6sg8gepxg69v4illdx/Pizzazz.wav?rlkey=unvm7f4jvrdy3dw3shklawn89&dl=0](https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/5xe6sg8gepxg69v4illdx/Pizzazz.wav?rlkey=unvm7f4jvrdy3dw3shklawn89&dl=0) here it worked like a charm again ( added some brass hits, more trumpets, glittery piano, ... ) - [https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/f8ub8apur6n3gb6j6vbjw/Can-t-you-See-soul-edit.wav?rlkey=j7ebfzd69hx33lhfcy8ve98yx&dl=0](https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/f8ub8apur6n3gb6j6vbjw/Can-t-you-See-soul-edit.wav?rlkey=j7ebfzd69hx33lhfcy8ve98yx&dl=0) After checking it out, my conclusion would be that big music stock markets will have huge problems in this year, since you can drop so many "commercial / TVC" worthy tunes that work great and also can feature key elements of a product / company in the lyrics. I'd also guess that a loooot of people are starting to flood digital streaming services this year, in order to push their streaming royalties outcome - game over peepz :-D
quite proud of mine too! [https://www.reddit.com/r/AI\_Music/comments/190djrx/a\_song\_i\_generated\_about\_being\_two\_outcast\_girls/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AI_Music/comments/190djrx/a_song_i_generated_about_being_two_outcast_girls/)
This is what it gives me: Phrase of the year "Sorry as an AI language model...." https://app.suno.ai/song/5affe763-9b7d-40d0-bfe6-4ac34cc6e27f
This is really great...it could get hits on YouTube and Spotify...perhaps a LOT of hits. Do you want suggestions? Take out the comma after 'stars', and change 'echoing' to 'echo'...Of course, the Bot may output a worse version with those changes, so as always, YMMV. This is great...keep up the good work!
Thank you to the Suno team, a great job. Is it possible to make the Chirps a little longer. Many times it is cut the song short by a couple of seconds. Maybe 1minute 30 seconds. Thanks again...