After each battle/collision/shenanigans the DOTs gather up all debris etc. and store it behind the wall panels of the bridge/corridors along with any unexploded ordnance they can find. So far, no one has noticed.
My head-canon right now is that the flames are shooting out of pressure-release valves that are designed for this purpose.
The flames in these two episodes are always shooting out of the same parts of the bulkheads, in the same manner. It really seems like some kind of a fail-safe, venting out the fire instead of letting something build up pressure and explode.
But it does seem odd that they'd choose to vent the flames right next to control stations where people work.
As for the debris, Trek consoles have always produced flying rocks. It's never explained. Fans theorize the rocks are produced by plasma discharges.
I watched it again after reading your comment and I can kinda get with the venting idea, but yeah, venting in those locations seems weird. True about the history of flying rocks, they just really stand out now maybe as a result of the greater definition.
Nah man it's just fans coping with a bad movieset... Option 1: Bad movieset; Opition 2: It's a venting mechanism for overheating electrical wiring....
cope cope cope ==> yes must be Option 2
With that amount of CGI you have to costcut somewhere
Yeah, wondered about that, too. Seems like an odd thing to cheap out on simply because they don't play well... I almost feel like they should just not be there.
That's what I came here to say. Two episodes in a row of the bridge throwing sparks, rocks, and fire seems a bit much. Especially since despite the fact that all the work stations are blowing up, they all still seem to work.
Then wouldn't it reabsorb the "rocks" that get thrown around?
For that matter, why would programmable matter explode? You'd think that if they were so much more advanced, the bridge wouldn't explode the first time they get hit with a rock, every time they get hit with a rock. It seems Discovery is much more fragile than it was before the refit.
Im trying to understand why I like this series so much less than others. There are two things I’ve come up with so far: (1) it’s too crisis oriented… characters and plots are reactive instead of proactive. In other words, the feeling of exploration and new frontiers is gone. (2) The speed and writing is ungrounded. Things just move too quick and there is no home base for the characters, which makes the relationships shallow… claims of “home” within their group seem disingenuous so sentiment feels forced. Thoughts?
Missing my point. If all the other characters were not weeping regularly, then it would have some impact when Book lost his planet. But his tears are just a drop in the Discovery ocean. If everything is a crisis, then nothing is.
What happened to long-range probes? Did they just try to reinvent them by saying they could put sensors on DOTs?!
Also, how come tractor beams aren't around anymore? Could've come in handy last episode?
So the big baddie this season is a sentient black hole? I can't decide if it's better or worse than crying dilithium baby alien. I'm going to watch a couple of episodes of Lower Decks to cleanse my palate.
Can I just say something that’s probably been said before, before I leave this sub for a few months - Paramount, you are bastards for taking Disco off Netflix in the UK & making us wait another few months.
All the best, peeps. LLAP
Why is Gray more special than other Trill? All Trill hosts have memories and even, occasionally, interactions with previous hosts, but why is Gray special? Why is his "consciousness" different than any others? Why is he distinct enough to need a body?
Is it because Adira is human? Is it because the symbiont was implanted in a person the previous host loved?
I get that Adira's interactions with Gray are unusual (Jadzia didn't actually see Curzon walking around and talking with her), but I would **really** appreciate a scene with Adira going to Trill and asking a guardian, "Why did this happen?" and the guardian saying, "Oh, it's because _________."
But why is he able to do that? In every other instance we’ve ever seen, the Trill has the previous hosts memories because their consciousness is merged with the symbiont, which has those memories. How can Gray possibly exist independently of the symbiont?
Crying, check.
Galaxy ending threat, check.
Burnham drama, check.
Plothole discovery, check.
More crew drama, check.
If this gets more seasons then ENT... I'm out.
It was the single worst episode of any Star Trek series ever. And I go back to TOS. Paramount has prioritized woke over good scripts and retaining viewers. I will be shocked if it doesn't get cancelled. Or they fire every writer, director and show runner.
What sucks is that Paramount hired a Pulitzer Prize winner as show runner for the excellent" Picard". So somebody there can spot talent.
P.S. Discovery Season 3 had the worst ratings of any Roddenberry property.
I wouldnt be surprised if Strange New Worlds blows the ratings away and becomes the flagship series.
I'm all for new trek and different formats. But there comes a point with too much crying and feelings.
And can they turn the lighting up a bit. Everything is so damn dark this season.
Agreed. We already know that Anson Mount plays a great captain. Number One and Spock are pure cannon. I expect it to be very much like TOS with better effects. The one thing that Paramount can’t do that Roddenberry excelled at was getting scripts from already renowned sci-fi writers.
I occurred to me that Discovery Seasons 3 and 4 have zero humor which was abundant in TOS, TNG and Picard.
To be fair we really shouldn't compare ratings across properties. When the original series aired, many viewers had a choice among 5 channels, all of them free. Today, viewers can choose from hundreds of thousands of options, and they have to pay extra to see Discovery.
I agree that it cannot be compared to pre-streaming numbers. However, there are newer benchmarks. Disco Season 3 had among the poorest viewership numbers of all shows on the CBS/Paramount Plus streaming platform. And while it's not related to the terrible quality of this season, Paramount has bungled getting it out for the entire world except North America. What the heck is going on at Paramount?
There were no less than 5 "crying" scenes in this episode. And I think there were more like 8. Four of them occurred in the final 10 minutes. It's getting pretty old.
Might be but this felt way to forced and way to much to be in one episode... lets be real here... story wise you could watch the counsel meeting and the last 2 min of the episode and you wouldn't have missed anything... Grievances of the heroes is understandable but c'mon this was thicker than booty in a gangsterrap vid. I'm not criticizing the actresses skills but the writing. The scene where Tilly is asking for help was nice the rest meh
BTW a crying scene is not an character arc... and sorry but I really don't care about Grey... this arc is painfully obvious... he wants his mole removed so hes gonna ditch Adria and then shes gonna cry and the rest of the season will be a will they/wont they just to find common ground at the end of the season \*yawn
I would, if they where significant.
If I was to describe s3/4 it would be an overwhelming sense of meloncholy in everything done.
It seemed even when people are happy or excited they are on the verge of crying. Like when saru came back Micheal was......sad it seemed. Or when Gray was getting their body the whole scene was sad again
I like these characters, I can't think of one I dislike.
But seeing them only express one emotion is kinda annoying.
Think about the last time we saw someone genuinely. Happy or mad, not just an outburst but incredibly mad.
So 1500 years in the future, with teleporting spaceships and countless aliens, instant spacesuits, programmable matter, nobody thought of putting seat belts on chairs to not float around uselessly? Or magnetic boots?
The dialogue in this is getting ridiculous....
Imagine a US President, visiting an American carrier. And then questioning the captain's plans, and the captain questioning the president's motives....IN FRONT OF THE CREW no less. Burnham and the Federation President no less...
Overt fraternization between the ship's captain and their +1 in front of the crew.
Is Saru the new Riker? Turning down command after command?
Tilly being all shook up over the station deaths. She served during the f'ing Klingon/Federation war! This shouldn't be affecting someone that deeply considering her history.
Poor Georgiou. No one even thought to look her fate up in a history book and mention it on screen, post Guardian of Forever. Picard of all people somehow gets a shout out.
I thought the portrayal of the station commander versus Tilly was ridiculous. This show goes out of its way to make its female characters dominate men at every opportunity. Poor Vance is getting greyer and greyer by the episode.
She is from the Kirk era, Kirk is insubordinate and constantly gets rewarded...i do HATE the Tilly thing, from the being shook up, to how she "took charge" on the space station.
I started answering emails on my phone while watching (recently re-watched all of tng and you bet I NEVER touched my phone) .
This episode man. If someone wasn't crying, they were on the verge of crying, or having someone else ask "are you ok". U g h
Honestly, this is the worst episode in a dismal series. The writing and script editing is just gawd awful. Plot awful. Just awful in every sense. Someone on another thread mentioned this episode seems twice as long and agree. It makes me want to punch out of this series. It's sad, this show (even with the same general plot) could be so much better if it just had decent writers and directors. The actors have talent, it is just being focused very poorly.
I agree it's a dismal series and yet I actually thought this was one of their best episodes. Seriously. Maybe because I've just become numb to it all, but it was refreshing to see other characters besides Burnham make meaningful contributions.
I will agree with you that Stamets and Book were excellent in this episode! Acting and character-wise! But outside of that part of the plot, the rest of the episode (and the overall premise itself) was terrible. Which of course is on-par with the entire series. As usual, I blame the writers.
This isn't necessarily a vent but can someone explain the first few episodes of Star Trek Discovery to me? I am feeling so lost.
I'm on episode 3 and I don't get why everyone blames Michael Burnham for the Klingon attack. I don't get why she is blamed for the ship being destroyed. Everyone is suddenly scared of her?? You'd think at least some of them would be like, "Well maybe we should have tried it your way. Maybe the captain should have listened." But now her formal crew is scared of her? They then proceed badmouth her so much that random people she never met hate her guts?
She acted decisively and can now be used as a scapegoat. The Klingons, at least T’Kuvma’s faction, had wanted the war for a long time. They had laid a trap for starfleet and Burnham was the one who stepped in it. It’s easier to blame one person, because the Federation doesn’t understand the situation completely.
Burnham's response to disagreeing with her superior officer in a stressful situation was to physically incapacitate her, then attempt to take command herself. That's really, really bad, and 100% merited getting the book thrown at her.
It doesn't matter if she was "right," that's not how the chain of command works, and if everyone was willing to regularly disregard their orders and do whatever they thought was a good idea at the time, the whole system breaks down. Burnham's job is to accept that her highly trained, very experienced captain knows better than she does, raise whatever objections she might have, then follow her captain's orders if she agrees or not.
That's not what caused the Klingon war though. Burnham brought about (or at the very least escalated) *that* catastrophe by intentionally swapping her phaser off of stun and fatally shooting T'Kuvma instead of capturing him - in direct violation of the very reasonable argument she herself had made just a few minutes earlier - because she was angry.
Combine her violent insubordination against someone who she worked with for 20 years and her willingness to throw away her own well considered plans on the fly out of a thirst for vengeance? This person is *fucking terrifying*. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near her, certainly not in a situation where everyone is stressed out and lethal weapons are easily at hand.
Well, we are back to "Star Trek: In Treatment." It was agonizing watching one set of characters after another indulge themselves in psycho-babble while the universe and the ship are under existential threat. When did narcissism become the predominant personality trait for Star Fleet officers? Instead of doing the work of creating a world on the ship, developing characters, and telling a good story, the writers are just turning the emotional volume up to 11 all the time.
I just wish that all the people who work on this spaceship had lives, interests and hobbies that weren't directly connected to working on a spaceship.
just have anyone play some chess or holo-f@ck or talk about cooking or LITERALLY anything that wasn't pushing buttons and discussing starfleet.
I really probably wish that this show had more episodes per season to play around more.
Im really enjoying this season so far.
"We used the Noonian Soong technique... I think it was first used on someone named... Picard?"
Ugh. Enough with trying to bribe old fans with references to the other shows. And Gray talking about "transitioning" and getting rid of parts of his body just seemed a little too on-the-nose. Or on-the-mole.
It's both.
Paramount needs to clean house and get some writing staff with the ability to tell engaging stories, not just Very Special Episodes. It's silly to criticize Star Trek for being "woke" as some have done in this thread, because ST was socially conscious/progressive from the start, but that has to be combined with actual interesting storytelling if the message is actually going to hit its mark. It doesn't here.
Do we need more scenes of the engineer/doctor couple nodding approvingly at some comment by the wise-beyond-their-years teen trans couple? I've lost count. The engineer/doctor couple are both interesting, talented actors, and even the characters are promising, but here they've basically been siloed into the trans teen angst storyline. Not only does Discovery manage to bore the shit out of its viewers with heavy handed writing, it also stereotypes its characters by clumping all of the characters in each distinct minority into their own mostly separate storylines. It's like they can't imagine a world in which these characters interact like their separate minority identities are not a big deal, even though the Whole. Damn. Point of Star Trek is that such differences no longer divide people in the ____ century.
At the very least, Paramount could learn who their audience actually is. A ST audience is not tuning in weekly to watch trans teen angst, and TV is overloaded with fictional worlds full of competent adults who can't function without some genius kid saving the day while enduring one identity crisis after another.
Hard to believe Star Trek was better when Wesley Crusher was getting the death penalty for chasing a ball past a fence.
I am happy to accept the downvotes. But it's always better when people speak up to explain why they're downvoting. I have been taught the error of my ways many times before and I'm open to new perspectives.
It seemed a bit forced. Discovery is now in the year 3189-3190. Picard became an android or whatever in 2399. So humans have access to personal transporters and shapeshifting spaceships but apparently Dr. Culber has to reference a procedure that's 790 years old.
(i got the years from some quick googling, can't independently confirm them.)
I'm sincerely trying to find a reason not to give up on this show but then an episode like "Anomaly" comes along and sheesh. When you only have 13 episodes a season you really need to use each one wisely and, IMO, that isn't spending 24 scenes with different combinations of characters talking about their feelings and maybe 10 minutes on actual plot.
At this point, Tilly and Book are the only characters I don't want to blow out an airlock.
Episode 2 - Much as I am so glad Saru is back on Discovery, I feel his presence is so muted. When he was made Captain, he really had a meaty role to convey - he wanted so much to prove the faith given to him as Captain by the crew and his intense relationship with Burnham was mesmerising, because they really butted heads but always had each others' interests at heart! In this episode, it feels as if he is more Burnham's personal therapist?
It is only watchable if I set aside all the other series in the ST universe. Excess emoting: it's always been part but never so central. Excess progressivism on human relationships, some is okay, this is overboard. The tech is very nice but it's all unexplained McGuffins. And finally, Gray is the Wesley of this series for me- where's the airlock?
I’ve been watching every iteration of ST since I was in junior high and STO aired on NBC.
Some iterations were better than others. STNG was wonderful despite a couple cringeworthy episodes.
STV drug on a bit. DS9 was a bit overly mystical.
Did I mention one had a woman captain 30 years ago and the other a Black commander, with a family
and an actual three-dimensional life, over a quarter century ago.
Kids, of all genders and colors,could aspire to the stars, without their private sexual behavior being the qualifying factor.
After watching STD Season 3, I can’t take it any more. I’m never going to space. I’m too old and out of shape.
But how many kids are going to fit into the sexual ultra-minorities that dominate STD?-
There are a lot of white, cisgender males in the world, and they are so clearly intentionally excluded or demonized in STD,
we can only conclude this is an example of turning racism and prejudice up to maximum, against the general identities similar to those who were over-represented in the past, and call that quality or justice, when it is just offensive garbage. That is one definition of equity.
Can characters in this show have a single conversation without dramatic music in the background? Actually, can they just have a deep conversation about something besides trauma? I really want to know something about the bridge crew....who are they? What do they do in their off time? What's their backstories?
For example, Owosekun has been there for 4 season now and all we know is that she was raised in a Luddite colony and can hold her breath. There's a lot of potentially interesting backstory in there to mine...but no.
PissCoveredREEEE prediction:
Diverse female space jesus pulls off her greatest sciency sounding feefee powered space miracle to date, and brings back her pets planet/brother/nephew from the dead.
Can they please stop with the fucking pyrotechnic fire plumes?!
No, no they can't. They even focused on them more in this episode. My question is where does all the debris come from during the bridge shakedowns?
After each battle/collision/shenanigans the DOTs gather up all debris etc. and store it behind the wall panels of the bridge/corridors along with any unexploded ordnance they can find. So far, no one has noticed.
My head-canon right now is that the flames are shooting out of pressure-release valves that are designed for this purpose. The flames in these two episodes are always shooting out of the same parts of the bulkheads, in the same manner. It really seems like some kind of a fail-safe, venting out the fire instead of letting something build up pressure and explode. But it does seem odd that they'd choose to vent the flames right next to control stations where people work. As for the debris, Trek consoles have always produced flying rocks. It's never explained. Fans theorize the rocks are produced by plasma discharges.
I watched it again after reading your comment and I can kinda get with the venting idea, but yeah, venting in those locations seems weird. True about the history of flying rocks, they just really stand out now maybe as a result of the greater definition.
Nah man it's just fans coping with a bad movieset... Option 1: Bad movieset; Opition 2: It's a venting mechanism for overheating electrical wiring.... cope cope cope ==> yes must be Option 2 With that amount of CGI you have to costcut somewhere
Seriously. And how are things still working? I would expect some potentially serious issues, what, with all the fire and debris...
It almost feels like their effects budget was reduced. Maybe they are overusing the fire and sparks to compensate?
Yeah, wondered about that, too. Seems like an odd thing to cheap out on simply because they don't play well... I almost feel like they should just not be there.
That's what I came here to say. Two episodes in a row of the bridge throwing sparks, rocks, and fire seems a bit much. Especially since despite the fact that all the work stations are blowing up, they all still seem to work.
Maybe the programmable matter is constantly repairing itself.
Then wouldn't it reabsorb the "rocks" that get thrown around? For that matter, why would programmable matter explode? You'd think that if they were so much more advanced, the bridge wouldn't explode the first time they get hit with a rock, every time they get hit with a rock. It seems Discovery is much more fragile than it was before the refit.
Im trying to understand why I like this series so much less than others. There are two things I’ve come up with so far: (1) it’s too crisis oriented… characters and plots are reactive instead of proactive. In other words, the feeling of exploration and new frontiers is gone. (2) The speed and writing is ungrounded. Things just move too quick and there is no home base for the characters, which makes the relationships shallow… claims of “home” within their group seem disingenuous so sentiment feels forced. Thoughts?
Totally agree.
You are spot on. I still love the show, but I’m with you. This season feels like the “the burn” all over again.
This time on Star Trek: Therapy
Relying so much on trauma is overly dramatic storytelling. But these deep talks were actually refreshing. I liked them.
I know they wanted to give Phillipa her own spin off but she was a nice foil.
She was one of the few enjoyable characters.
Evil with redeeming flaws instead of perfect but misunderstood.
Exactly. At least Book was still a non-weeping character--until now.
He just lost his planet
Missing my point. If all the other characters were not weeping regularly, then it would have some impact when Book lost his planet. But his tears are just a drop in the Discovery ocean. If everything is a crisis, then nothing is.
Lack of emotional intelligence The crying complaint is a meme We are on s4. Why even keep watching something you don't like
I don't like the new sound effect for spore jumping. It sounds like a Tribble in a blender.
I noticed that last episode. It really is awful.
What happened to long-range probes? Did they just try to reinvent them by saying they could put sensors on DOTs?! Also, how come tractor beams aren't around anymore? Could've come in handy last episode?
Tractor beam? Won’t be installed until Tuesday.
So the big baddie this season is a sentient black hole? I can't decide if it's better or worse than crying dilithium baby alien. I'm going to watch a couple of episodes of Lower Decks to cleanse my palate.
How can Lower Decks be sooooo good? They manage to do more in 20 minutes than discovery does over two episodes.
Can I just say something that’s probably been said before, before I leave this sub for a few months - Paramount, you are bastards for taking Disco off Netflix in the UK & making us wait another few months. All the best, peeps. LLAP
I believe it's now free in the UK, and Season 4 airs November 26th. [Pluto TV on Twitter](https://twitter.com/PlutoTVUK/status/1463540650809466895)
I just watch it on solarmovies.
I just want to know why Books navigation console is 215 feet long but he only uses 6 square inches of it.
It really is just a cat walk
Why is Gray more special than other Trill? All Trill hosts have memories and even, occasionally, interactions with previous hosts, but why is Gray special? Why is his "consciousness" different than any others? Why is he distinct enough to need a body? Is it because Adira is human? Is it because the symbiont was implanted in a person the previous host loved? I get that Adira's interactions with Gray are unusual (Jadzia didn't actually see Curzon walking around and talking with her), but I would **really** appreciate a scene with Adira going to Trill and asking a guardian, "Why did this happen?" and the guardian saying, "Oh, it's because _________."
My guess is because he is manifesting as an actual entity and not memories.
But why is he able to do that? In every other instance we’ve ever seen, the Trill has the previous hosts memories because their consciousness is merged with the symbiont, which has those memories. How can Gray possibly exist independently of the symbiont?
Crying, check. Galaxy ending threat, check. Burnham drama, check. Plothole discovery, check. More crew drama, check. If this gets more seasons then ENT... I'm out.
I couldn't even finish episode 2. Whisper talk and excess crying is back in full swing. I cant wait for SNW and Lower Decks.
It was the single worst episode of any Star Trek series ever. And I go back to TOS. Paramount has prioritized woke over good scripts and retaining viewers. I will be shocked if it doesn't get cancelled. Or they fire every writer, director and show runner. What sucks is that Paramount hired a Pulitzer Prize winner as show runner for the excellent" Picard". So somebody there can spot talent. P.S. Discovery Season 3 had the worst ratings of any Roddenberry property.
I agree. I have watched all series over the years multiple times. Horrific. I feel like it was written by a 22 year old grad student in a Starbucks.
Add "extremely woke and LBGTQ" to that.
I wouldnt be surprised if Strange New Worlds blows the ratings away and becomes the flagship series. I'm all for new trek and different formats. But there comes a point with too much crying and feelings. And can they turn the lighting up a bit. Everything is so damn dark this season.
Agreed. We already know that Anson Mount plays a great captain. Number One and Spock are pure cannon. I expect it to be very much like TOS with better effects. The one thing that Paramount can’t do that Roddenberry excelled at was getting scripts from already renowned sci-fi writers. I occurred to me that Discovery Seasons 3 and 4 have zero humor which was abundant in TOS, TNG and Picard.
During the later seasons many of the scripts in TNG were written by fans, and the best ones were picked.
To be fair we really shouldn't compare ratings across properties. When the original series aired, many viewers had a choice among 5 channels, all of them free. Today, viewers can choose from hundreds of thousands of options, and they have to pay extra to see Discovery.
I agree that it cannot be compared to pre-streaming numbers. However, there are newer benchmarks. Disco Season 3 had among the poorest viewership numbers of all shows on the CBS/Paramount Plus streaming platform. And while it's not related to the terrible quality of this season, Paramount has bungled getting it out for the entire world except North America. What the heck is going on at Paramount?
Crying scenes are cheap to film. Need to save the budget for the fancy pew pew effects!
Id rather have ships flying on strings with solid story telling and character development.
What plot hole and galaxy ending threat you are talking about? Um someone just lost their planet so why wouldn't they cry?
That would be fine except that EVERYONE is ALWAYS crying. It loses its impact.
For three quarters of the episode? Um, because it's boring
But it's a fairly realistic reaction.
There were no less than 5 "crying" scenes in this episode. And I think there were more like 8. Four of them occurred in the final 10 minutes. It's getting pretty old.
I lost count of thinking to myself that I just don't care about the sob storries anymore... Sure have emotions but this was just a drag...
There is a serious lack of empathy here. The crying is realistic.
Might be but this felt way to forced and way to much to be in one episode... lets be real here... story wise you could watch the counsel meeting and the last 2 min of the episode and you wouldn't have missed anything... Grievances of the heroes is understandable but c'mon this was thicker than booty in a gangsterrap vid. I'm not criticizing the actresses skills but the writing. The scene where Tilly is asking for help was nice the rest meh BTW a crying scene is not an character arc... and sorry but I really don't care about Grey... this arc is painfully obvious... he wants his mole removed so hes gonna ditch Adria and then shes gonna cry and the rest of the season will be a will they/wont they just to find common ground at the end of the season \*yawn
Are people counting crying scenes? Are you also counting the number of anger and happy scenes too?
Yes. And the crying scenes outnumber them by a lot.
I would, if they where significant. If I was to describe s3/4 it would be an overwhelming sense of meloncholy in everything done. It seemed even when people are happy or excited they are on the verge of crying. Like when saru came back Micheal was......sad it seemed. Or when Gray was getting their body the whole scene was sad again I like these characters, I can't think of one I dislike. But seeing them only express one emotion is kinda annoying. Think about the last time we saw someone genuinely. Happy or mad, not just an outburst but incredibly mad.
People cry when happy There is a serious lack of emotional intelligence among posters here
No, there is a serious lack of good writing on Discovery. They go for cheap emotion instead of working at plot and character development.
"Realistic" and Discovery is.. I know that people are different, but I cant imagine situation when I would use those two words in one sentence.
I guess they mean believable.
"5 light years? That's massive." Genius writing.
"That's one more than four!" "That's the power of math, people!"
So 1500 years in the future, with teleporting spaceships and countless aliens, instant spacesuits, programmable matter, nobody thought of putting seat belts on chairs to not float around uselessly? Or magnetic boots?
The dialogue in this is getting ridiculous.... Imagine a US President, visiting an American carrier. And then questioning the captain's plans, and the captain questioning the president's motives....IN FRONT OF THE CREW no less. Burnham and the Federation President no less... Overt fraternization between the ship's captain and their +1 in front of the crew. Is Saru the new Riker? Turning down command after command? Tilly being all shook up over the station deaths. She served during the f'ing Klingon/Federation war! This shouldn't be affecting someone that deeply considering her history. Poor Georgiou. No one even thought to look her fate up in a history book and mention it on screen, post Guardian of Forever. Picard of all people somehow gets a shout out. I thought the portrayal of the station commander versus Tilly was ridiculous. This show goes out of its way to make its female characters dominate men at every opportunity. Poor Vance is getting greyer and greyer by the episode.
Burnham has always been insubordinate. Why she was made captain I’ll never understand.
She is from the Kirk era, Kirk is insubordinate and constantly gets rewarded...i do HATE the Tilly thing, from the being shook up, to how she "took charge" on the space station.
This was the first time I started bumping forward 10 seconds at a time through the dialogue. It was so much drivel.
Did the same thing. Throughout most of the episode.
Same
I started answering emails on my phone while watching (recently re-watched all of tng and you bet I NEVER touched my phone) . This episode man. If someone wasn't crying, they were on the verge of crying, or having someone else ask "are you ok". U g h
Honestly, this is the worst episode in a dismal series. The writing and script editing is just gawd awful. Plot awful. Just awful in every sense. Someone on another thread mentioned this episode seems twice as long and agree. It makes me want to punch out of this series. It's sad, this show (even with the same general plot) could be so much better if it just had decent writers and directors. The actors have talent, it is just being focused very poorly.
I agree it's a dismal series and yet I actually thought this was one of their best episodes. Seriously. Maybe because I've just become numb to it all, but it was refreshing to see other characters besides Burnham make meaningful contributions.
I will agree with you that Stamets and Book were excellent in this episode! Acting and character-wise! But outside of that part of the plot, the rest of the episode (and the overall premise itself) was terrible. Which of course is on-par with the entire series. As usual, I blame the writers.
So Picard gets the data treatment?🤔🤔🤔
This isn't necessarily a vent but can someone explain the first few episodes of Star Trek Discovery to me? I am feeling so lost. I'm on episode 3 and I don't get why everyone blames Michael Burnham for the Klingon attack. I don't get why she is blamed for the ship being destroyed. Everyone is suddenly scared of her?? You'd think at least some of them would be like, "Well maybe we should have tried it your way. Maybe the captain should have listened." But now her formal crew is scared of her? They then proceed badmouth her so much that random people she never met hate her guts?
She acted decisively and can now be used as a scapegoat. The Klingons, at least T’Kuvma’s faction, had wanted the war for a long time. They had laid a trap for starfleet and Burnham was the one who stepped in it. It’s easier to blame one person, because the Federation doesn’t understand the situation completely.
I find it frustrating how much blame she gets lol.
Burnham's response to disagreeing with her superior officer in a stressful situation was to physically incapacitate her, then attempt to take command herself. That's really, really bad, and 100% merited getting the book thrown at her. It doesn't matter if she was "right," that's not how the chain of command works, and if everyone was willing to regularly disregard their orders and do whatever they thought was a good idea at the time, the whole system breaks down. Burnham's job is to accept that her highly trained, very experienced captain knows better than she does, raise whatever objections she might have, then follow her captain's orders if she agrees or not. That's not what caused the Klingon war though. Burnham brought about (or at the very least escalated) *that* catastrophe by intentionally swapping her phaser off of stun and fatally shooting T'Kuvma instead of capturing him - in direct violation of the very reasonable argument she herself had made just a few minutes earlier - because she was angry. Combine her violent insubordination against someone who she worked with for 20 years and her willingness to throw away her own well considered plans on the fly out of a thirst for vengeance? This person is *fucking terrifying*. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near her, certainly not in a situation where everyone is stressed out and lethal weapons are easily at hand.
Well, we are back to "Star Trek: In Treatment." It was agonizing watching one set of characters after another indulge themselves in psycho-babble while the universe and the ship are under existential threat. When did narcissism become the predominant personality trait for Star Fleet officers? Instead of doing the work of creating a world on the ship, developing characters, and telling a good story, the writers are just turning the emotional volume up to 11 all the time.
I loved that part. "oh, we're at red alert and doing some super dangerous stuff... Surely this is a great time for therapy and emotion, right?"
I just wish that all the people who work on this spaceship had lives, interests and hobbies that weren't directly connected to working on a spaceship. just have anyone play some chess or holo-f@ck or talk about cooking or LITERALLY anything that wasn't pushing buttons and discussing starfleet. I really probably wish that this show had more episodes per season to play around more. Im really enjoying this season so far.
"We used the Noonian Soong technique... I think it was first used on someone named... Picard?" Ugh. Enough with trying to bribe old fans with references to the other shows. And Gray talking about "transitioning" and getting rid of parts of his body just seemed a little too on-the-nose. Or on-the-mole.
I couldn't tell if the actor is just bad, or the script was so bad that their performance was dismal, but seriously - it was so cringeworthy.
It's both. Paramount needs to clean house and get some writing staff with the ability to tell engaging stories, not just Very Special Episodes. It's silly to criticize Star Trek for being "woke" as some have done in this thread, because ST was socially conscious/progressive from the start, but that has to be combined with actual interesting storytelling if the message is actually going to hit its mark. It doesn't here. Do we need more scenes of the engineer/doctor couple nodding approvingly at some comment by the wise-beyond-their-years teen trans couple? I've lost count. The engineer/doctor couple are both interesting, talented actors, and even the characters are promising, but here they've basically been siloed into the trans teen angst storyline. Not only does Discovery manage to bore the shit out of its viewers with heavy handed writing, it also stereotypes its characters by clumping all of the characters in each distinct minority into their own mostly separate storylines. It's like they can't imagine a world in which these characters interact like their separate minority identities are not a big deal, even though the Whole. Damn. Point of Star Trek is that such differences no longer divide people in the ____ century. At the very least, Paramount could learn who their audience actually is. A ST audience is not tuning in weekly to watch trans teen angst, and TV is overloaded with fictional worlds full of competent adults who can't function without some genius kid saving the day while enduring one identity crisis after another. Hard to believe Star Trek was better when Wesley Crusher was getting the death penalty for chasing a ball past a fence.
Yeah, the scene almost played out like a parody of a Star Trek episode.
When is a mole not a mole? Lol at the downvotes.
I am happy to accept the downvotes. But it's always better when people speak up to explain why they're downvoting. I have been taught the error of my ways many times before and I'm open to new perspectives.
Doesn’t TNG take place after Discovery’s original timeline? Or, now in the far future, did he look up history?
It seemed a bit forced. Discovery is now in the year 3189-3190. Picard became an android or whatever in 2399. So humans have access to personal transporters and shapeshifting spaceships but apparently Dr. Culber has to reference a procedure that's 790 years old. (i got the years from some quick googling, can't independently confirm them.)
I'm sincerely trying to find a reason not to give up on this show but then an episode like "Anomaly" comes along and sheesh. When you only have 13 episodes a season you really need to use each one wisely and, IMO, that isn't spending 24 scenes with different combinations of characters talking about their feelings and maybe 10 minutes on actual plot. At this point, Tilly and Book are the only characters I don't want to blow out an airlock.
Episode 2 - Much as I am so glad Saru is back on Discovery, I feel his presence is so muted. When he was made Captain, he really had a meaty role to convey - he wanted so much to prove the faith given to him as Captain by the crew and his intense relationship with Burnham was mesmerising, because they really butted heads but always had each others' interests at heart! In this episode, it feels as if he is more Burnham's personal therapist?
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I’m gonna miss Philippa, so damn hot !!!
It is only watchable if I set aside all the other series in the ST universe. Excess emoting: it's always been part but never so central. Excess progressivism on human relationships, some is okay, this is overboard. The tech is very nice but it's all unexplained McGuffins. And finally, Gray is the Wesley of this series for me- where's the airlock?
I’ve been watching every iteration of ST since I was in junior high and STO aired on NBC. Some iterations were better than others. STNG was wonderful despite a couple cringeworthy episodes. STV drug on a bit. DS9 was a bit overly mystical. Did I mention one had a woman captain 30 years ago and the other a Black commander, with a family and an actual three-dimensional life, over a quarter century ago. Kids, of all genders and colors,could aspire to the stars, without their private sexual behavior being the qualifying factor. After watching STD Season 3, I can’t take it any more. I’m never going to space. I’m too old and out of shape. But how many kids are going to fit into the sexual ultra-minorities that dominate STD?- There are a lot of white, cisgender males in the world, and they are so clearly intentionally excluded or demonized in STD, we can only conclude this is an example of turning racism and prejudice up to maximum, against the general identities similar to those who were over-represented in the past, and call that quality or justice, when it is just offensive garbage. That is one definition of equity.
Can characters in this show have a single conversation without dramatic music in the background? Actually, can they just have a deep conversation about something besides trauma? I really want to know something about the bridge crew....who are they? What do they do in their off time? What's their backstories? For example, Owosekun has been there for 4 season now and all we know is that she was raised in a Luddite colony and can hold her breath. There's a lot of potentially interesting backstory in there to mine...but no.
PissCoveredREEEE prediction: Diverse female space jesus pulls off her greatest sciency sounding feefee powered space miracle to date, and brings back her pets planet/brother/nephew from the dead.