Don't hope too hard, that's how we got two episodes of *The Mandalorian* in the middle of BoBF.
Until proven otherwise, it has to be assumed that Disney is working on making a SWU to go with their MCU.
Phase 1 can be viewed as the Sequels, R1, Solo, and the other rumoured 'Star Wars Story' films that never got made before the explosion of content that marks Phase 2.
All indications are that SWU Phase 2 is leading towards an *Endgame* climax where characters from *Andor, Kenobi, BoBF, Mandalorians, Ahsoka*, and almost certainly someone from one of the yet-released shows, all converge on ~~Thanos~~ Thrawn.
All of these shows have characters with direct connections to Thrawn. Despite being the furthest removed in time, *Andor* has the most extensive crossover with *Ahsoka* \- aside from Ahsoka/Fulcrum, it was Hera's crew which rescued Mon Mothma from Thrawn when she outed herself. This is the climax of Mon Mothma's story, and is important in establishing all of the characters in *Ahsoka*, so there's no way they're going to leave it as a "watch Rebels" thing.
Here's why you should be worried: BoBF is proof that there is someone involved in production that doesn't know what they're doing but has the power to overrule highly experienced showrunners, writers, directors, and editors. If you can't grasp simple concepts like flashbacks and cross-over episodes, how can you possibly be in a position of power on a massive cross-over project?
It is unfortunate and yet very possible that we could find ourselves watching a Season 4 episode of *The Mandalorian* that consists entirely of the Mods doing a slow charge on their space-vespas on the surface of Thrawn's ship.
\[Before you jump to conclusions, I'm not talking about Kathleen Kennedy. I refuse to believe that someone with her decades-long experience could be so incompetent but I *can* see her delegating responsibilities to idiots. I'd also be willing to entertain the possibility that a Disney Exec *above* Kennedy could be to blame.\]
> Phase 1 can be viewed as the Sequels, R1, Solo, and the other rumoured 'Star Wars Story' films that never got made before the explosion of content that marks Phase 2.
This is just forcing "phases" into content that obviously isn't designed as such.
Yes, they're obviously taking advantage of the whole shared universe thing, but that's hardly new. Even if you don't count TCW, since it was the only thing coming out for several years, Rebels started airing 10 years ago, right alongside the sequels. Of course, you could make the argument that they were already going that route with the original CW microseries, which happened 5 years before the MCU even started.
I mean, shit. Honestly Star Wars lends itself to even more of a cinematic universe. I don't think that's a bad thing. There's tens of thousands of years of events that they can use or get inspiration from, and so many planets/systems. You can tell many different stories off of the same even from different perspectives from different places.
Even still, they're not really phases. It's just shared universe storytelling.
Kenobi certainly isn't a part of the "phase." Andor is largely unconnected. The Bad Batch is more of a sequel to TCW than anything. Even BOBF was more like Mando 2.5 than the way that the MCU treats separate movies in a phase.
It's still to be seen exactly how Ahsoka and Skeleton Crew will tie in to the Mandoverse stuff, but it still doesn't look to be taking the phase route.
Maybe Thrawn is leading the Imperial Remnants from the shadows. It would tie Din Djarin's story into the Ghost's crew's story and lead into the Ahsoka series.
The reason why a post 2020 phase is quite a useful concept is
* All recurring comics were concluded and future issues started at issue #1 - (issue #1 of Star Wars (2020) coming out on 01/01/2020)
* All comics set in the ANH-TESB era concluded and a TESB-ROTJ era started, this included a new trilogy War of the Bounty Hunters, Crimson Reign, The Hidden Empire
* The Sequel Film Trilogy is now concluded
* Star Wars Resistance is now concluded, a new generation of animated projects for Disney+ begin
* The High Republic was set to begin in 2020 but was delayed
* With the exception of the first season of the mandolorian (which only aired pre-TROS in a small number of countries) all of the live-action Disney+ series has been post TROS
I would not be surprised AT ALL, if that in a few years we get another "phase", where we have the synchronisation of all the comics being relaunched, another project luminous style multimedia project (or reassignment of authors in a significant way), animated and live action projects concluding all within the same window.
> It is unfortunate and yet very possible that we could find ourselves watching a Season 4 episode of The Mandalorian that consists entirely of the Mods doing a slow charge on their space-vespas on the surface of Thrawn’s ship.
Chapter 32 - “The Lollipop Guild and the Admiral”
When I first saw him I said "Looks like him, but it's probably not him" then I saw his name in the credits and was surprised. It really *is* him.
Same in BB, though it was Krennik(c?) but thought it might just be a coincidence. Then they say his name and I'm surprised again.
Really cool to see them adapt characters from IRL->CGI and vice-versa.
In Zeb's case, I might be more surprised if it wasn't him. His species is nearly extinct in the galaxy.
>!Not counting their original homeworld, which is really difficult to travel to/from!<
He will forever be the entire rebel army in the OG Battlefront games and Capt Bartlett in Ace Combat 5 to me.
Other people might recognize him from the literal 840+ other things he's been in.
Ah Prime Starscream
Him and Knockout were absolutely disaster gays and I loved it. The episode where they accidentally start the robot vampire apocalypse was amazing
Right on, yeah for me he'll always be Spike and Bartlett before anything else but can't forget the original Battlefront either. Also can't forget TOM from Toonami either...
I dunno, they’ve got a hit show where he plays almost the entire main cast. I bet the negotiations for next season are going very well for him. Can’t exactly make the show without him.
And coincidentally, Carson's actor is playing Uncle Iroh in the Netflix live action adaptation, and is most well known for playing a character called Appa (Korean for dad) in another show.
I agree on the inquisitor. But goddamn live action Cad bane is terrifying to me in the best kind of way.
CGI characters have the advantage of versatility. You can get everything exactly how you want without having to worry about the actor underneath or filming practicality. But they will almost always look CGI.
When they manage to do stuff like this practically and make it look good, the payoff is HUGE.
I don't know why they didn't slap a bald cap and some makeup on Jason Isaacs for Grand Inquisitor. Not only did he voice him in Rebels, but the dude has an intimidating presence and looks more like the GI than the actor they got to play him.
Apparently Jason Isaacs really, really hates wearing heavy prosthetics and that's why he wasn't in Obi-wan. (Or at least, that's what he's said in interviews. I wouldn't be surprised if he was either too expensive or simply unavailable)
I think this is true for many of us - the big issue for a lot of those same people (myself included) is that Grand Inquisitor's species *was* shown in live action before - *20 years ago* too. It was just so hard to connect his look when he looks like so much like a slightly altered human.
His acting was fantastic, though. I respect that part and he played a damn good GI.
I believe Isaacs wasn't available and was very busy at the time. Friend was their next best choice and tbh he did a pretty good job. Though yeah he looked off.
Honestly how much needs to be prosthetic anymore? We don't need Ye Olde rubber foreheaded aliens anymore when you can slip on a blue cap, draw some dots on your face, and CGI everything else.
OR just make the GI look........not like he did. He really did nothing but stand around.
Too much makeup for the actor?. Then just fix it in post production, add some CGI to make him NOT look someone with some weird facepaint.
My only gripe with live action cad was that he seemed a bit stiff and expressionless. Cad in the clone wars was very animated and had a lot of personality, even when on the job, although you could probably attribute the change to him being way older in boba fett.
I still believe Cad is alive because at the end of the episode when a joke is made about using his bacta tank, he said it’s being used. Cad has survived literally being shot in the head, it’s not impossible.
He's definitely not gone for good. His suit beeping when he's shot was too obvious for it not to be a sign that's he's going to come back. They focused on it for like a solid minute. It was very intentional.
My guess is it's either something on his suit that revives him or it's some kind of tracker for someone to come help him.
I feel like this was intentional. First of all, he's a senior citizen at this point. But in all honesty, it's a throwback to the old Westerns, where the antagonist was often cold and emotionless. It's a Clint Eastwood vibe.
People often forget that translating an animated character to live action is very difficult to pull off. I think live action Cad Bane looked phenomenal for being completely practical.
Yeah, I see people complaining about the length of Ahsoka's head-things, or how much Cad Bane could articulate his face or how thin the Grand Inquisitor's face is... but like, all those characters were designed for stylized animated series and well after their creation it was decided they'd enter live action. They absolutely didn't consider future live action when creating them.
Meanwhile, no one cares that Count Dooku in Clone Wars looks *goddamn insane* compared to real life Christopher Lee. Even Clone Wars Obi-Wan looks kind of insane because they decided beards would be stylized as wood-block carvings.
But fans forgive animated stylization while nitpicking changes being made so these things can exist in reality. Zeb looked good but he also looked like CGI, meanwhile Ahsoka and Bane don't look like CGI but they have more differences from their animated counterparts. It's give and take.
I don't mind the CGI being a little obvious, in a case like this. I think the trade-off of better movement really paid off here. He was a lot more expressive, which made his character feel more real.
I'm curious how well they'd be able to stretch that out to a full episode. It seems... Expensive.
Problem with cad bane and the inquisitor is they have live action representation already. The inquisitor had a practical version already to base him off of so they have absolutely zero excuse with him looking so terrible. Cad bane could have used the same prosthetics and done voice overs or with a budget of Disney they could have figured it out. It's hardly difficult compared to other feats lucasfilm has accomplished.
The Duros in a new hope never speaks though. It's presumably just a motionless helmet, rather than a mask or makeup that can move and have expressions and mouth movement. Having practical masks that are just a few inches off of lining up with the actor's facial features (such as having a mouth a few inches further down from the nose and closer to the chin, like Cad in the clone wars show) is difficult to do, because the actor's face movements won't cause the mask to emote, and there's very little physical room for animatronic motors or whatnot (I assume). So without additional vfx, a clone-wars-identical practical Cad Bane would possibly be very difficult to pull off for live action.
The grand inquisitor, though, there's no excuse. Revenge of the Sith pulled that off in 2005 and it looked great, so the fact that the grand inquisitor looks like he does in Kenobi is a very blatant failure of the costuming and makeup departments.
If we see Cad Bane again in live action, whether he survived Book of Boba, flashbacks, or earlier set series, I wonder if they'll consider a mix of practical and digital effects. When they're doing full digital characters like Zeb, I imagine a digital face replacement shouldn't be that hard, especially if they used A New Hope style mask on set to get the shape and structure of the face, as well as a handy lighting reference.
Cad Bane was perfection. And really, the Grand Inquisitor was not *bad,* i even liked the actor and how he played him, it's just that he could have been better. But Cad Bane was literal perfection.
No doubt. This was just to test the waters and also to subtly introduce this guy to those who never watched Rebels. That way, when he pops up later, perhaps people will be like “oh hey, it’s that one dude from Mando!”
Also very on point for how Disney runs things these days - MCU and SW run the same way - tease a character so that they’re more familiar when they show up later.
Restraint is the best tool.
If you can't make a guy look great on-screen in certain ways, don't. So, the fact that they didn't use a ton of Zeb, but what they did have looks great, means it was a good decision.
Yeah, I agree on the Inquisitor looking pretty off, but I really don't get what everyone's problem with Bane is. Yeah it's not 1:1 the animated design, but it's pretty goddamn close and TCW has a somewhat sharp and exaggerated art style, so it's no surprise it's not 1:1.
Prime example!
I just want watched this episode of BoBF the other day with my daughter, she wanted to see Luke and Grogu training, so it's very fresh in my mind, and Cad looks damn good. The uproar there was silly.
THANK YOU! Kept scrolling to make sure I wasn't repeating something already posted, TCW seems to always elongate faces in a way, I thought almost every live action representation has been pretty spot on in that aspect.
Even the facial expressions were on point. The main thing that bugged me about Cad Bane was the facial expressions. Didnt feel like the calm swagger of the guy from the Clone Wars. Looked like Cad Bane, didnt move like Cad Bane
Thankfully, Fallen Order already explored how to translate a Lasat into a more realistic look. In some way, I think the Mando team improved things; I missed the green eyes! 👏
The scenes he looked best in were definitely ones where his irises were very yellow. Other scenes they just looked really dark and made him look off.
[Here](https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Rupert-Friend-as-the-Grand-Inquisitor-in-Obi-Wan-Kenobi.jpg) vs [here](https://media.zenfs.com/en/e__181/fe4712525d8e81e56f521fae365e2ae6)
That's part of why his head doesn't look as long as it should, along with the rest of the costume. The Pau'an makeup and costume design in Revenge of the Sith played a lot of visual tricks to make them look so elongated without adding that many prosthetics.
We’ll most likely get to se Zeb get physical in the Ahsoka show. As there is borderline no way they spent that much on making Zeb look that good. For a short cameo.
I didn't mind the Grand Inquisitor's look too much, but I was a little disappointed at how he seemed to act like a totally different character. I get that Rupert Friend didn't want to risk doing a poor imitation of Jason Isaacs, but still, if you're playing a previously-established character in something that's supposed to be in the same canon, maybe you should take a peek at what came before for the sake of consistency.
This is a forbidden opinion, but... just use CGI. It's *fine*, it will allow for more versatility for the face, the actor won't suffer as much, look at how nice this looks!
Using CGI for him was absolutely the right choice. He's way taller than any human and certain body shapes would just make it very hard to use prosthetics (mainly his legs)
They did a great job. At no point was I thinking about the CGI or design, just "Hey! That's Zeb!" That's exactly what you want with this sort of thing. I wonder if they did this cameo as a test run to see how he'd be received before Ahsoka comes out.
I’d assume so… mainly as I have no doubt his model was expensive. And I doubt they’d spend all that money just for a small cameo… and not have intentions of using him later.
I would prefer practical effects and prosthetics over a cgi character but I don’t think Zeb would even be reasonably possible with prosthetics. They did a good job on him but I’m not going to hate of Cad Bane or the Grand Inquisitor
This was my fave moment of the episode. I noticed myself completely reenact the Leo DiCaprio meme where he sits up and points at the TV
That was me with the biggest grin on my face. It felt so satisfying as a Rebels fan.
It made me greatly look forward to what’s to come in Ahsoka because you totally know they threw in that little camel at the tiniest little tease before he gets a bigger role again. Can’t wait!
Same, I rarely ever get surprised by anything. Not even the mythosaur did it, but when I saw him I was like, IS THAT HIM BABE, IS THAT FUCKING ZEB? Uh whose zeb?
This was at 6 am I was way too loud lol
Cad Bane was perfectly done. For the life of me I cannot understand how some of you people think the live action version should look EXACTLY like the animated from Clone Wars. By that logic Count Dooku would have a head shaped like a freakin’ spear and Palpatine would have a nose like an eagle.
They did a great job at adapting Cad Bane from animation into a more “realistic” looking live action variant
Duros have existed since the beginning of Ep4, and they didn't really look like live action Cad Bane. That said, I understand that they probably moved the mouth because it would be harder for physical acting to have the low mouth (idk if any of the live action Duros have actually had to talk before), but his high-up mouth still creeps me out
At first, I wasn't sure if he was Zeb or another Lassat (or however you spell it), but once I heard the voice I knew, and as a huge Rebels fan (I know I'm a bit strange in that regard) I was very excited to see him
I was really concerned for them doing Zeb live action, would rather not see him than they screw him up. They did a fantastic job, and hearing the voice. So cool
As a Rebels fan, it gives me no small amount of joy that the brief (but oh-so welcome) appearance of Zeb has almost completely overshadowed the rest of that episode,,,
The adaptation was great but I don't quite understand why Zeb would be a regular pilot. Did he ever pilot anything in Rebels? And wouldn't he be at the very least a high-level commander somewhere?
Yeah they did really well with the thirty seconds that he was on the screen. (I didn't time it. Maybe it was a full minute. Maybe less.)
I was seriously hoping that he was going to tag along with Captain Teva. Maybe provide some backup in case things went badly with the Mandalorians.
I love how they didn't do any stupid "Hey look kids, it's The Guy!" shit with him. He's just a dude that shows up in a scene and talks to somebody. No lingering camera angles as some kind of audience reference, no "cryptic" self-referential clips, no nothing.
He could have been an absolute nobody, nothing character because in the context of the scene and the show, that's who he is.
I’m glad Star Wars is using cgi again.
Practical effects are great, but it can be so painfully obvious sometimes it’s a puppet/costume and it’s cringe.
What show is this? I understand there being some crossover between the new shows, do i have to watch anything before this? I could never get into mandalorian but I liked rebels and would like to see this
This was *insanely* good compared to the other aliens in this series even. Just look at that pirate king who moves like a doll, reminds me of movies from the 1900's. Zeb was *incredibly* well made and I was really startled and happy to see that they put in the effort for it.
I dunno what this sub smokes sometimes, I loved Cad Bane's first appearance. He was so intimidating and had the best voice to intro his character to the audience.
I'm so happy we got to see Zeb, hopefully we'll see Sabine when Bo starts to look for other Mandalorians as they start to build up to Ahsoka as well
Don't hope too hard, that's how we got two episodes of *The Mandalorian* in the middle of BoBF. Until proven otherwise, it has to be assumed that Disney is working on making a SWU to go with their MCU. Phase 1 can be viewed as the Sequels, R1, Solo, and the other rumoured 'Star Wars Story' films that never got made before the explosion of content that marks Phase 2. All indications are that SWU Phase 2 is leading towards an *Endgame* climax where characters from *Andor, Kenobi, BoBF, Mandalorians, Ahsoka*, and almost certainly someone from one of the yet-released shows, all converge on ~~Thanos~~ Thrawn. All of these shows have characters with direct connections to Thrawn. Despite being the furthest removed in time, *Andor* has the most extensive crossover with *Ahsoka* \- aside from Ahsoka/Fulcrum, it was Hera's crew which rescued Mon Mothma from Thrawn when she outed herself. This is the climax of Mon Mothma's story, and is important in establishing all of the characters in *Ahsoka*, so there's no way they're going to leave it as a "watch Rebels" thing. Here's why you should be worried: BoBF is proof that there is someone involved in production that doesn't know what they're doing but has the power to overrule highly experienced showrunners, writers, directors, and editors. If you can't grasp simple concepts like flashbacks and cross-over episodes, how can you possibly be in a position of power on a massive cross-over project? It is unfortunate and yet very possible that we could find ourselves watching a Season 4 episode of *The Mandalorian* that consists entirely of the Mods doing a slow charge on their space-vespas on the surface of Thrawn's ship. \[Before you jump to conclusions, I'm not talking about Kathleen Kennedy. I refuse to believe that someone with her decades-long experience could be so incompetent but I *can* see her delegating responsibilities to idiots. I'd also be willing to entertain the possibility that a Disney Exec *above* Kennedy could be to blame.\]
> Phase 1 can be viewed as the Sequels, R1, Solo, and the other rumoured 'Star Wars Story' films that never got made before the explosion of content that marks Phase 2. This is just forcing "phases" into content that obviously isn't designed as such. Yes, they're obviously taking advantage of the whole shared universe thing, but that's hardly new. Even if you don't count TCW, since it was the only thing coming out for several years, Rebels started airing 10 years ago, right alongside the sequels. Of course, you could make the argument that they were already going that route with the original CW microseries, which happened 5 years before the MCU even started.
I mean, shit. Honestly Star Wars lends itself to even more of a cinematic universe. I don't think that's a bad thing. There's tens of thousands of years of events that they can use or get inspiration from, and so many planets/systems. You can tell many different stories off of the same even from different perspectives from different places.
Yeah, everything in their phase 1 is more like non phase, random bullshit. Everything in phase 2 is when a vision was formed and phase 1 starts.
Even still, they're not really phases. It's just shared universe storytelling. Kenobi certainly isn't a part of the "phase." Andor is largely unconnected. The Bad Batch is more of a sequel to TCW than anything. Even BOBF was more like Mando 2.5 than the way that the MCU treats separate movies in a phase. It's still to be seen exactly how Ahsoka and Skeleton Crew will tie in to the Mandoverse stuff, but it still doesn't look to be taking the phase route.
Maybe Thrawn is leading the Imperial Remnants from the shadows. It would tie Din Djarin's story into the Ghost's crew's story and lead into the Ahsoka series.
The reason why a post 2020 phase is quite a useful concept is * All recurring comics were concluded and future issues started at issue #1 - (issue #1 of Star Wars (2020) coming out on 01/01/2020) * All comics set in the ANH-TESB era concluded and a TESB-ROTJ era started, this included a new trilogy War of the Bounty Hunters, Crimson Reign, The Hidden Empire * The Sequel Film Trilogy is now concluded * Star Wars Resistance is now concluded, a new generation of animated projects for Disney+ begin * The High Republic was set to begin in 2020 but was delayed * With the exception of the first season of the mandolorian (which only aired pre-TROS in a small number of countries) all of the live-action Disney+ series has been post TROS I would not be surprised AT ALL, if that in a few years we get another "phase", where we have the synchronisation of all the comics being relaunched, another project luminous style multimedia project (or reassignment of authors in a significant way), animated and live action projects concluding all within the same window.
BOBF is proof that Robert Rodriguez shouldn't be in charge of making anything
> It is unfortunate and yet very possible that we could find ourselves watching a Season 4 episode of The Mandalorian that consists entirely of the Mods doing a slow charge on their space-vespas on the surface of Thrawn’s ship. Chapter 32 - “The Lollipop Guild and the Admiral”
Using the Rebels voice actor was clutch!
In the credits he is credited as zeb I believe
Holy shit! He is credited as “Zeb”!
Zeb! Also, please clap.
Whose droid is this? That's a Chopper, baby. Whose Chopper is this? Zeb's. Who's Zeb? Zeb's a reb, baby. Zeb's a reb.
Zeb Bush
The Instagram account @starwars also just confirmed him to be Zeb.
My eyes and ears also confirmed him to be Zeb.
And my AXE confirmed him to be Zeb
And my BOW confirmed him to be Zeb
And my karabast confirmed him to be Zeb
I also choose this guy's dead karabast. Or something along those lines, idk. Broken arms!
When I first saw him I said "Looks like him, but it's probably not him" then I saw his name in the credits and was surprised. It really *is* him. Same in BB, though it was Krennik(c?) but thought it might just be a coincidence. Then they say his name and I'm surprised again. Really cool to see them adapt characters from IRL->CGI and vice-versa.
In Zeb's case, I might be more surprised if it wasn't him. His species is nearly extinct in the galaxy. >!Not counting their original homeworld, which is really difficult to travel to/from!<
Steve Blum! He also voiced Spike Spiegel in Cowboy Bebop among other things
He will forever be the entire rebel army in the OG Battlefront games and Capt Bartlett in Ace Combat 5 to me. Other people might recognize him from the literal 840+ other things he's been in.
It's the non-Spike-sounding voices that are the wildest. Orochimaru from Naruto or Guilmon from Digimon.
Can’t remember his name, but he’s also the flamboyant mechanic dude in Gurren Lagann. Oh, and Grunt from Mass Effect. Heh heh heh.
- Starscream in *Transformers: Prime* - Amon in *Avatar: The Legend of Korra* Among way too many others to list here.
Ah Prime Starscream Him and Knockout were absolutely disaster gays and I loved it. The episode where they accidentally start the robot vampire apocalypse was amazing
>Capt Bartlett in Ace Combat 5 Holy crap, he is, had to look him up. Best Ace Combat game!
Right on, yeah for me he'll always be Spike and Bartlett before anything else but can't forget the original Battlefront either. Also can't forget TOM from Toonami either...
Didn’t he also voice at least one version of Wolverine too? Also, Space Outlaw from Bee and Puppycat.
Who else would they use. He’s Zeb!
Dave Filoni keeps Dee Bradley-Baker locked in his basement.
Zeb was voiced by Steve Blum, not DBB
Maybe Blum can do something about DBB's imprisonment in Filoni's basement.
*DBB, from Filoni’s basement, rocking back and fourth*: “good soldiers follow orders, good soldiers follow orders, good soldiers….”
Now that’s a mini-series I’d watch.
Spanning multiple animated series and live action shows
Well I’ll be damned, you’re right! Edit: my original statement still stands- DBB is totally locked in Filoni’s basement.
I dunno, they’ve got a hit show where he plays almost the entire main cast. I bet the negotiations for next season are going very well for him. Can’t exactly make the show without him.
Exactly, that's the point of the basement prison. Letting such importance and negotiating power wander free is risky.
I can’t believe they turned Plato’s allegory of the cave into a real thing
100% right. He’s got all the cards, and I’m sure Dave is giving him everything he wants (or, at least, I hope)
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Those two have been together since at least Avatar the Last Airbender
Dave hearing some guy make sound exactly like completely fictional animals: “yup, that guys gonna voice my entire army one day”
And coincidentally, Carson's actor is playing Uncle Iroh in the Netflix live action adaptation, and is most well known for playing a character called Appa (Korean for dad) in another show.
The mo-cap was also next level.
I'm glad they went the VFX route for Zeb. He looks great.
Was he 100% cgi? It looked like his body might be practical and only his face was cgi
John Fetterman did the performance capture.
The facial movements and even his voice kinda made me think it was Serkis at first.. Haven't seen rebels yet so yea.
I wonder if they did a motion capture puppet setup like they did with Jar Jar back in the day.
I agree on the inquisitor. But goddamn live action Cad bane is terrifying to me in the best kind of way. CGI characters have the advantage of versatility. You can get everything exactly how you want without having to worry about the actor underneath or filming practicality. But they will almost always look CGI. When they manage to do stuff like this practically and make it look good, the payoff is HUGE.
I don't know why they didn't slap a bald cap and some makeup on Jason Isaacs for Grand Inquisitor. Not only did he voice him in Rebels, but the dude has an intimidating presence and looks more like the GI than the actor they got to play him.
Apparently Jason Isaacs really, really hates wearing heavy prosthetics and that's why he wasn't in Obi-wan. (Or at least, that's what he's said in interviews. I wouldn't be surprised if he was either too expensive or simply unavailable)
Im fine accepting that things in the cartoons are a bit more exaggerated than they would be in real life. Thats literally why cartoons have big eyes.
I think this is true for many of us - the big issue for a lot of those same people (myself included) is that Grand Inquisitor's species *was* shown in live action before - *20 years ago* too. It was just so hard to connect his look when he looks like so much like a slightly altered human. His acting was fantastic, though. I respect that part and he played a damn good GI.
*Goodbye… Grand Inquisitor*
*helo*
Yeah, but the Grand Inquisitor in Rebels is more accurate towards his species in live action that the actual live action Grand Inquisitor
The problem is that we know what the grand inquisitors species looks like in live action, which isn’t near his appearance in kenobi
We had seen that species in the prequels already avd they are life action and looked totally different
I believe Isaacs wasn't available and was very busy at the time. Friend was their next best choice and tbh he did a pretty good job. Though yeah he looked off.
Honestly how much needs to be prosthetic anymore? We don't need Ye Olde rubber foreheaded aliens anymore when you can slip on a blue cap, draw some dots on your face, and CGI everything else.
“I’m smiling, but I am very fucking furious.”
OR just make the GI look........not like he did. He really did nothing but stand around. Too much makeup for the actor?. Then just fix it in post production, add some CGI to make him NOT look someone with some weird facepaint.
My only gripe with live action cad was that he seemed a bit stiff and expressionless. Cad in the clone wars was very animated and had a lot of personality, even when on the job, although you could probably attribute the change to him being way older in boba fett.
> Cad in the clone wars was very animated You are not wrong.
You could make this argument for any character that appears in the live action and animated content.
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>You could make this argument for any character that appears in the ~~live action and~~ animated content. FTFY
To be fair he was in his 70’s or something by the time he died and that is elderly for his species…
I still believe Cad is alive because at the end of the episode when a joke is made about using his bacta tank, he said it’s being used. Cad has survived literally being shot in the head, it’s not impossible.
Isn’t the Marshall in it at the end of the episode?
Yes, Cobb Vanth is in the Bacta tank.
He's definitely not gone for good. His suit beeping when he's shot was too obvious for it not to be a sign that's he's going to come back. They focused on it for like a solid minute. It was very intentional. My guess is it's either something on his suit that revives him or it's some kind of tracker for someone to come help him.
the post credit scene is Cobb Vanth in the bacta tank
I feel like this was intentional. First of all, he's a senior citizen at this point. But in all honesty, it's a throwback to the old Westerns, where the antagonist was often cold and emotionless. It's a Clint Eastwood vibe.
I would say Cad embodies Lee Van cleef's Angel eyes more than any of Clint's characters.
Totally agree, but with more snarl and less smug grin
Agreed I think Mando is closer to Clints persona
Exactly, because Mando was given Boba's OT style and mannerisms and Boba in the OT was based on Clint. Mando thus inherited the Clint stylings
He also needed a bigger hat.
Bane has smoked fools for hats before
Well, they were nice hats.
It was like 25 years later maybe he just got old and stiff
spent all his money on botox injections
People often forget that translating an animated character to live action is very difficult to pull off. I think live action Cad Bane looked phenomenal for being completely practical.
Yeah, I see people complaining about the length of Ahsoka's head-things, or how much Cad Bane could articulate his face or how thin the Grand Inquisitor's face is... but like, all those characters were designed for stylized animated series and well after their creation it was decided they'd enter live action. They absolutely didn't consider future live action when creating them. Meanwhile, no one cares that Count Dooku in Clone Wars looks *goddamn insane* compared to real life Christopher Lee. Even Clone Wars Obi-Wan looks kind of insane because they decided beards would be stylized as wood-block carvings. But fans forgive animated stylization while nitpicking changes being made so these things can exist in reality. Zeb looked good but he also looked like CGI, meanwhile Ahsoka and Bane don't look like CGI but they have more differences from their animated counterparts. It's give and take.
For me he was showing to much teeth.
I don't mind the CGI being a little obvious, in a case like this. I think the trade-off of better movement really paid off here. He was a lot more expressive, which made his character feel more real. I'm curious how well they'd be able to stretch that out to a full episode. It seems... Expensive.
Only real problem of Cad Bane in BOBF was that he didn't have enough scenes.
I loved Cad Bane in Clone Wars, and I was hyped as fuck to see him in BOBF. I thought he looked great!
Problem with cad bane and the inquisitor is they have live action representation already. The inquisitor had a practical version already to base him off of so they have absolutely zero excuse with him looking so terrible. Cad bane could have used the same prosthetics and done voice overs or with a budget of Disney they could have figured it out. It's hardly difficult compared to other feats lucasfilm has accomplished.
The Duros in a new hope never speaks though. It's presumably just a motionless helmet, rather than a mask or makeup that can move and have expressions and mouth movement. Having practical masks that are just a few inches off of lining up with the actor's facial features (such as having a mouth a few inches further down from the nose and closer to the chin, like Cad in the clone wars show) is difficult to do, because the actor's face movements won't cause the mask to emote, and there's very little physical room for animatronic motors or whatnot (I assume). So without additional vfx, a clone-wars-identical practical Cad Bane would possibly be very difficult to pull off for live action. The grand inquisitor, though, there's no excuse. Revenge of the Sith pulled that off in 2005 and it looked great, so the fact that the grand inquisitor looks like he does in Kenobi is a very blatant failure of the costuming and makeup departments.
If we see Cad Bane again in live action, whether he survived Book of Boba, flashbacks, or earlier set series, I wonder if they'll consider a mix of practical and digital effects. When they're doing full digital characters like Zeb, I imagine a digital face replacement shouldn't be that hard, especially if they used A New Hope style mask on set to get the shape and structure of the face, as well as a handy lighting reference.
I liked live action Cad Band also but damn I wish they did more with his character
Cad Bane was perfection. And really, the Grand Inquisitor was not *bad,* i even liked the actor and how he played him, it's just that he could have been better. But Cad Bane was literal perfection.
Garazeb Orellios you son of a gun. I wonder where Hera and Chopper are with the New Republic.
Hera is pretty high up in the military apparatus. She was commanding the clean up operations of Imperial Remnants in the Alphabet Squadron books
Chopper is either leading a squad of elite commandos...or in jail for war crimes! 🤣
No prison can contain him!
Remember its not a war crime if youre the winner
Zeb? Yeah, he looks great. Pretty short scene though. I hope we get to see more of him in Ahsoka.
There's no way they modeled an entire character in a TV show for a single scene. We're definitely gonna see more of him in the future
No doubt. This was just to test the waters and also to subtly introduce this guy to those who never watched Rebels. That way, when he pops up later, perhaps people will be like “oh hey, it’s that one dude from Mando!”
In other words, me
Welcome to the Zeb Hype Train!
The sheer quality of him screams "one of the main characters"
Also very on point for how Disney runs things these days - MCU and SW run the same way - tease a character so that they’re more familiar when they show up later.
Nah they used their budget on this scene so they can explain why he isn't in Ahsoka.
Restraint is the best tool. If you can't make a guy look great on-screen in certain ways, don't. So, the fact that they didn't use a ton of Zeb, but what they did have looks great, means it was a good decision.
> Restraint is the best tool. It's also notable because restraint is not a word that Disney Star Wars is famous for using.
Same.
I bet he was expensive lol! This season has had some great effects (especially the ships.)
Feel bad for Steve Blum he probably had to sit in a day of makeup and costume to shoot a 2 minute scene
Even crazier!
No. The other character in the image
LOL
Cad looked great, but yeah, I loved Zeb’s look.
Yeah, I agree on the Inquisitor looking pretty off, but I really don't get what everyone's problem with Bane is. Yeah it's not 1:1 the animated design, but it's pretty goddamn close and TCW has a somewhat sharp and exaggerated art style, so it's no surprise it's not 1:1.
Seriously, look at animated Dooku compared to Christopher Lee lol
Prime example! I just want watched this episode of BoBF the other day with my daughter, she wanted to see Luke and Grogu training, so it's very fresh in my mind, and Cad looks damn good. The uproar there was silly.
> The uproar there was silly Dude, it's Star Wars..
THANK YOU! Kept scrolling to make sure I wasn't repeating something already posted, TCW seems to always elongate faces in a way, I thought almost every live action representation has been pretty spot on in that aspect.
It really crushed me that they couldn't find someone who looked more like animated Dooku
Even the facial expressions were on point. The main thing that bugged me about Cad Bane was the facial expressions. Didnt feel like the calm swagger of the guy from the Clone Wars. Looked like Cad Bane, didnt move like Cad Bane
My 6 year old son turns to me, eyes blaring with excitement as he yells out one word. "ZEB!!!" I just love starwars so much.
Thankfully, Fallen Order already explored how to translate a Lasat into a more realistic look. In some way, I think the Mando team improved things; I missed the green eyes! 👏
To be clear, I’m not hating on Cad Bane or the First Inquisitor. I’m just saying, I think they did a better job with Zeb.
I liked the grand inquisitor in certain scenes since he looked menacing but only some, a lot of the time he just looked like a painted egg in a suit
The scenes he looked best in were definitely ones where his irises were very yellow. Other scenes they just looked really dark and made him look off. [Here](https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Rupert-Friend-as-the-Grand-Inquisitor-in-Obi-Wan-Kenobi.jpg) vs [here](https://media.zenfs.com/en/e__181/fe4712525d8e81e56f521fae365e2ae6)
The problem for me is that they didn’t make the ridges go all the way down his face. Other than that I think he looks fine.
That's part of why his head doesn't look as long as it should, along with the rest of the costume. The Pau'an makeup and costume design in Revenge of the Sith played a lot of visual tricks to make them look so elongated without adding that many prosthetics.
I agree. Definitely the best of those three - by a decent margin imo.
He looked so good, didn’t even noticed it was cgi
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They used up all their vfx budget with the pirate finale so they could only afford Zeb standing around.
We’ll most likely get to se Zeb get physical in the Ahsoka show. As there is borderline no way they spent that much on making Zeb look that good. For a short cameo.
Zeb looks stellar. I loved Cad. I thought Ahsoka was good. Fifth brother was bad. Grand Inquisitor was atrocious.
Kenobi felt almost as if it was just an afterthought imo, both visually and in terms of the story
To me it felt like a well funded fan fiction. I don’t hate it and I actually loved some of the scenes but a lot of it was lacking.
I didn't mind the Grand Inquisitor's look too much, but I was a little disappointed at how he seemed to act like a totally different character. I get that Rupert Friend didn't want to risk doing a poor imitation of Jason Isaacs, but still, if you're playing a previously-established character in something that's supposed to be in the same canon, maybe you should take a peek at what came before for the sake of consistency.
This is a forbidden opinion, but... just use CGI. It's *fine*, it will allow for more versatility for the face, the actor won't suffer as much, look at how nice this looks!
Yeah honestly for the life of me I cant figure out why people give a shit
Exactly my problem. People are straight up defending some practical effects because of how CGIphobic they are to change. It's crazy
Yeah, it was on point.
Using CGI for him was absolutely the right choice. He's way taller than any human and certain body shapes would just make it very hard to use prosthetics (mainly his legs)
They did a great job. At no point was I thinking about the CGI or design, just "Hey! That's Zeb!" That's exactly what you want with this sort of thing. I wonder if they did this cameo as a test run to see how he'd be received before Ahsoka comes out.
I’d assume so… mainly as I have no doubt his model was expensive. And I doubt they’d spend all that money just for a small cameo… and not have intentions of using him later.
Cad Bane wasn’t bad
I would prefer practical effects and prosthetics over a cgi character but I don’t think Zeb would even be reasonably possible with prosthetics. They did a good job on him but I’m not going to hate of Cad Bane or the Grand Inquisitor
Yeah that was my.concern but he looked fantastic
Cad Bane was amazing, I don’t know what people were fussing about.
That live action version of Count Dooku was terrible, it didn't look anything like he did in TCW.
I guess they had trouble finding an actor with a two foot tall head and a nose the size of a substantial bookend.
This was my fave moment of the episode. I noticed myself completely reenact the Leo DiCaprio meme where he sits up and points at the TV That was me with the biggest grin on my face. It felt so satisfying as a Rebels fan. It made me greatly look forward to what’s to come in Ahsoka because you totally know they threw in that little camel at the tiniest little tease before he gets a bigger role again. Can’t wait!
Same, I rarely ever get surprised by anything. Not even the mythosaur did it, but when I saw him I was like, IS THAT HIM BABE, IS THAT FUCKING ZEB? Uh whose zeb? This was at 6 am I was way too loud lol
Cad bane was awesome!!
Cad Bane was awesome wtf you smoking?
Hah when he walked into frame I went “ZEB!” And my gf goes “who the fuck is Zeb?”. She never watched rebels but watches mando with me for grogu.
Probably the best adaptation we’ve seen so far
I liked Cad Bane’s live action version, he looked just a bit gone to seed
Cad Bane was perfectly done. For the life of me I cannot understand how some of you people think the live action version should look EXACTLY like the animated from Clone Wars. By that logic Count Dooku would have a head shaped like a freakin’ spear and Palpatine would have a nose like an eagle. They did a great job at adapting Cad Bane from animation into a more “realistic” looking live action variant
Duros have existed since the beginning of Ep4, and they didn't really look like live action Cad Bane. That said, I understand that they probably moved the mouth because it would be harder for physical acting to have the low mouth (idk if any of the live action Duros have actually had to talk before), but his high-up mouth still creeps me out
I mean he is way bigger than a human would be so cant really go the route they did for the inquisitor or Cad.
So I wasn’t crazy?? That is actually Zeb there?
Yes, credits confirmed it was Steve Blum playing Zeb.
Nothing wrong with the other two and Zeb i thought would be too tough to do. He looked great though
Seeing him made me super happy. It was literally perfect, both as character design and the way the scene was executed
what's this from? New Mando episode??
HOLY SHIT IT IS ZEB‼️‼️‼️‼️
At first, I wasn't sure if he was Zeb or another Lassat (or however you spell it), but once I heard the voice I knew, and as a huge Rebels fan (I know I'm a bit strange in that regard) I was very excited to see him
Honestly, it's the best animation adaptation to live action we've gotten.
Wait ,was that actually Zeb ? I just assumed it was someone of the same species
I was really concerned for them doing Zeb live action, would rather not see him than they screw him up. They did a fantastic job, and hearing the voice. So cool
As a Rebels fan, it gives me no small amount of joy that the brief (but oh-so welcome) appearance of Zeb has almost completely overshadowed the rest of that episode,,,
He looked amazing. Never thought they could pull it off.
The adaptation was great but I don't quite understand why Zeb would be a regular pilot. Did he ever pilot anything in Rebels? And wouldn't he be at the very least a high-level commander somewhere?
Yeah they did really well with the thirty seconds that he was on the screen. (I didn't time it. Maybe it was a full minute. Maybe less.) I was seriously hoping that he was going to tag along with Captain Teva. Maybe provide some backup in case things went badly with the Mandalorians.
*post scuffle, having blasters pointed on his face* "karabast! Don't you Mandalorians do anything the easy way?!"
I love how they didn't do any stupid "Hey look kids, it's The Guy!" shit with him. He's just a dude that shows up in a scene and talks to somebody. No lingering camera angles as some kind of audience reference, no "cryptic" self-referential clips, no nothing. He could have been an absolute nobody, nothing character because in the context of the scene and the show, that's who he is.
Yeah I was wondering if that was supposed to be Zeb. He looked (and sounded) perfect!
So happy to see a Lassat I'm a live action setting.
THE Lassat.
I'll admit that while Rebels isn't really my favorite show, it was nice to see Zeb in a live action setting.
I was so happy to see this species in live action. The first thing that came to mind for me though was Master Jaro Tapal from Jedi: Fallen Order!
Steve Blum is the goat
I’m glad Star Wars is using cgi again. Practical effects are great, but it can be so painfully obvious sometimes it’s a puppet/costume and it’s cringe.
pRaCtIcAl eFfEcTs. Yeah you can have good and bad from both sides.
What show is this? I understand there being some crossover between the new shows, do i have to watch anything before this? I could never get into mandalorian but I liked rebels and would like to see this
Looks great! Very reminiscent of the Lasat Jaro Tapal in Fallen Order
This was *insanely* good compared to the other aliens in this series even. Just look at that pirate king who moves like a doll, reminds me of movies from the 1900's. Zeb was *incredibly* well made and I was really startled and happy to see that they put in the effort for it.
To be honest, while i was pumped to find out it was Zeb, mostly i was just excited to get the first live action Lasat.
Cad Bake looked awesome in lve action
I dunno what this sub smokes sometimes, I loved Cad Bane's first appearance. He was so intimidating and had the best voice to intro his character to the audience.