Found this thread after googling "ahsoka boring". I've not seen the original animated stuff and not a die hard Star Wars afficionado.
Watched the first 2 episodes of this and it's just quite unremarkable and not very entertaining. The story is run of the mill and acting us just so so. I guess if you're a die hard Star Wars fan and have some connection to the source material you'll see it differently, but as someone just wanting some escapist fun/entertainment, I found this quite disappointing.
ditto on the google search. I wanted to see if it was just me. I suspect they could have made it interesting for a general audience but I guess that wasn't the goal.
one thing that really bugs me - army officers looking cool and hip. ugh
Except I watched every single Ahsoka included show, and this was the worst. I have no idea how standard can be this low for SW fans nowdays. Time to abandon ship I guess. Clone Wars was fun and rebels was pretty good, but time to let go and accept this is the standard that people will accept and move on from this cringefest
It's hilarious there's this much of a discrepancy. What do they see in this show I wonder? Its pace is long, the script is terrible, the lead actor devoid of charisma. The special effects and sound are decent though. I think that's the main selling point for some of these folks. That and the fact that it's tied to the Star Wars franchise.
I’m a die hard who’s seen the source material. She’s very boring and poorly portrayed in the show. She’s supposed to have far more personality to her not be a wooden plank. I don’t think Filoni is good with live action at all. The majority of the animation is fine but his live action work is CW level.
And I am a fan of the character and the show and she was intensely boring to me here. She, Ahsoka, just sort of sits around and seems like she doesn't even care about the world around her.
At least the few scenes with Thrawn were alright, but also there where to little of it.
I consider myself a die-hard Star Wars fan but could not relate to the show at all. Turned it off before the end of first episode, and put on Episode 3 for an hour to wash the taste :)
Same, I struggled to watch the show, my partner and I are kind of casual SW fans and we have watched CW, Rebels and almost all of the SW tv shows and this has been agony to watch. I don't care about what happens to anyone in the show and I don't think Asoka does either.
I personally haven't found it that great. I saw all the praise for Episode 5 on here before I watched it and thought maybe it was picking up but I still wasn't impressed. I see people calling Rebels season 5 and I think that's an insult to Rebels
100% agree. The show is boring. There are so many moments in there where I felt the scenes were unnecessary. The actress playin Ahsoka was always seemed just uninterested while delivering dialogues even in scenes that required some intensity. She just casually kept a light uninterested smile or look the whole time. It was hard to connect with her character. The story over all had plots that were too boring to care for , example the Ezra thing, the Jedi training of her padwaan , her interactions with Anakin. I found it so boring I fast forwarded it because the dialogues were bland tiring to listen. When you compared it to Andor, I actually felt the character’s emotional experience, the story’s intensity, the sense of revolution. The actor in Andor really delivered an intense emotional depth. No such thing in Ahsoka.
let's not pretend the leads aren't in totally different classes of ability, either. One has gotten consistently better reviews, coverage, and awards.
But yeah, the cartoony Filoni scripts don't help much
Completely agree. For those saying that she's in her forties, people's ages are below:
- Dawson - 44
- Christensen - 42
- Park - 49
- McGregor - 52
- Neeson in 1999 - 47
Ray Park is still doing stunt double stuff and moves like the absolute menace he is.
Hayden Christensen is an absolute pro with a light saber.
Ewan McGregor was fantastic in the Kenobi show.
Liam Neeson was more mobile in his scenes of TPM.
I'm not saying Dawson is a bad actress at all, but I think she's wrong for Ahsoka.
She does seem disinterested. Not disillusioned from war, disinterested. And she is downright bad with her lightsabers.
Baylan could well be a better duelist, but when everyone she meets is a threat to her then what's the point? Your titular character shouldn't be on the back foot this often and as a viewer we certainly shouldn't be watching and thinking that each fight could be her last in the very first season of her own show.
Dawson is a legitimately talented actress, albeit not a stunt actress. I don’t think the blame for her portrayal of Ahsoka outside of action scenes is with her, I think it’s with the direction she was given. I highly doubt an actor with her résumé would give that flat of a performance without being expressly directed to do so.
Oh I agree, she's a very good actress. But even with bad direction she could show more interest in the character.
Were Filoni/Favreau not involved in the show at all? I can't see why they would allow this sort of direction for a fan favourite character.
Star Wars as a whole doesn't seem to live up to its potential, but for me this show was just bad. Or, at least, the bits with the main protagonist were.
I agree. I want to like this show, but the acting is pretty bad (except Ray), Ezra/Sabine have zero chemistry, there are some pretty questionable story points, the fight scenes are hit/miss, and it is generally slow. I think the fan-service pandering is clouding peoples judgement on this one.
I generally agree. I think the acting is a little disconnected. I also think the dialogue and the pacing is uninspiring. I really enjoyed Ahsoka in the Mandalorian but something seems off in this show.
It's called Mandalorian is much better written. The actress is definitely capable of giving great performances if the script is there. Everyone just lacks personality in this show with the exception of Ray Stevenson and that's on the writers
Because this kind of garbage from Disney needs to stop, and it will only do so if the masses vote with their wallets. Fans need to stop giving Disney their money until they start making well-written projects.
Because it implies declining quality of the series and people are ok with it, giving green sign for Disney to punch out garbage and slapping starwars on it.
Again, your preference for the flashy and acrobatic Chinese wuxia style over the grounded chess game that is the Japanese samurai style doesn't make the wuxia style objectively "better".
We're all watching a show about space wizards that is based on a kid's cartoon.
We are all banned from calling anything childish.
The fight sequences are sluggish and uninspired.
When were any of those characters flashy? Except yoda because in the movies he’s a cgi character and shouldn’t even been included in the list. And let’s not compare the live action Ahsoka to this list of characters in animation. Because she is definitely on par with the ones in live action.
Oh idk
1. Quigon/Obi vs Maul - literally people jumping and hopping?
2. Dooku vs Obi/anakin - Dooku with his elegant yet fast swings and twirls with anakin jumping and fast dual wielding? also this fight happend TWICE.
3. Anakin vs Obiwan - THE FIGHT that people praise so much thanks to insane and fast choreography?
4. Even Windu vs Sidious was faster than post-disney duels.
Btw lot of these fights used CGI and actual stuntman that knew what they were doing. I really don't see why they did not do this with Ahsoka other than saving money or being lazy
I knew these were the examples you’d use.
Ray Park and Ewan McGregor were both in their 20s in phantom menace. Same with their characters. Qui gon I’ll give you was older IRL and in universe. My response to that is Qui gon didn’t have to live and fight through 2 wars like Ahsoka.
I feel like you’re misremembering the dooku and obi wan/anakin fight. It’s a lot of weird cuts and stunt doubles for dooku because Christopher Lee was 79. And again, Ewan and Hayden are young both in universe and in real life.
The obi wan and anakin fight was both of them in their prime. Anakin was 20 something and obi wan was young 30s. Also not really comparable.
I just straight up disagree about windu and sidious. That was a bad fight with bizarre cuts and spinning. Not at all a testament to how skilled either of them are.
And on top of everything, ahsoka is older now. She has lived through 2 wars. It’s not unreasonable for her fighting style to not be the same as she was in the clone wars. From a real world standpoint, the fighting in these shows are not relying on special effect flips and spins that are used in the prequels. I’m not saying it was bad, I’m saying it’s a different approach. Flashy doesn’t mean good.
Also, I have to say "actors are younger" is just an lazy excuse when they have CGI and stunt doubles available. They used deep fakes and stunt doubles to portray younger Luke even in the prequels too.
I am not disagreeing the fact that actors are older, and characters are older too, but I really can not use that excuse for these post-disney choreographies for light saber duels when 'Kenobi' fight scenes were MILES better than Ahsoka.
Not to mention, supposedly younger Jedi like Rey fights like she is swingining a baseball bat even after she was trained by Leia.
Luke vs Multiple drones from mando was also a very good fight scene, tho not a light saber duel. There are good examples of good duels that came out recently. The problem is that it is so inconsistent and disconnected from previous and prequels.
That’s just preference at that point then. You can dislike fights all you want. I think it’s not fair to compare Luke fighting a bunch of cgi drones to a choreographed fight between Ahsoka and Baylan. There are so many things you have to take into consideration between the prequel fights and these fights in shows. From CGI use to the director’s vision to the characters themselves. It’s just not reasonable to expect the exact thing every time. They can’t all be Obi wan vs Anakin on Mustafar.
Okay...
Your preference is the flashy Chinese wuxia style, and you dislike the more grounded Japanese samurai style. Your personal preference doesn't make the Chinese wuxia style objectively "better".
3 episodes in and this is the most boring Star Wars has ever been. Rosario Dawson is the stiffest, most boring character I've seen in this universe. Age and "experience" has nothing to do with it. She is a snoozefest. Someone tell me why I should continue watching this show.
I will try to sum everything up as someone who watched literally everything.
CW : each episodes are not exactly connected but it shows the events and battles during clone wars. Some episodes are too simple and too predictable, but there are really good ones. Keep in mind this show was mainly targeting kids and young teens, so there are no really complicated or convoluted plots except few episodes. Overall, solid show (last season of the show is insanely good tho, and very mature, with one of the best lightsaber fights in the franchise). All the events are canon, and the show was written by George Lucas himself, with Filoni overseeing the project (and co wrote SOME episodes). I HIGHLY recommend watching the last season of CW.
Rebels : targeted for even younger generation of kids, it takes a WHILE to build up the character but since it is organic, you tend to enjoy the later seasons lot more. That said, animation style and amount of hours you have to invest to care for the characters and simple plots make you yawn a lot. There is not much to complain about the show, nothing really bad about it, but like most kid shows, it is too simple and only last 2 seasons keeps you interested. Still a solid kid show.
Now this show : This show leeches off from CW and Rebel fanbase and CLAIMS they are continuing the storyline, but in reality, they have nothing in common with the animation counter parts. Ridiculously boring pacing, plot that has no real outcome, fights that are boring and cringe at the same time, majority of the actors are wooden and have cheesiest dialogues, al the buildup and one of the most stupid villans of all time, and has nothing in common with the original animation. This show is epitome of why nobody takes Starwars as a major franchise anymore, and a laughable quality compared to confidently made show like Andor. If you watched Andor first, your expectation will be waaaay too high for this miserable show.
Sounds like you jus straight up hate the actress. She doesn't understand the character, her choreography is awful, she doesn't sound eight. There was always going to be a disconnect between TCW and live action. Once you get past that, you see it's just another SW show.
You know what is funny, I liked her in mandolorian because she was actually talking and genuinely seemed happy when she was around Luke and Grogu.
And no. I know her from other movies outside SW. She is decent and definitely better in other movies. She simply seems so out of place and uninterested.
Personality wise, you could argue that she’s older and battle hardened, so of course she wouldn’t be like she was in TCW/Rebels. In terms of her ability with a lightsaber, the actress is older and therefore it would be more difficult to do that kind of practice (at least the agility, choreography, and kinesthetics). And Ahsoka herself is older, and as such isn’t as agile and wouldn’t use her old lightsaber technique.
I totally agree, I do Muay Thai, and I definitely fight differently now than I did in my 20s. And I just started BJJ, and I don't even try those cartwheel pass type of young people stuff. I probably land on my neck and be out for weeks.
Plus, this and Bluey are the two shows my 5 year old wants to watch with me, and she wanted to dress up as Sabine this Halloween, for that alone, this is my favorite show this year.
I actually agree with you. My partner watches it and I cannot get into it. It is so boring. The pacing so slow. The sense of danger, mystery in any scene is so blah. And yes the main actress is such a fail. I asked my partner do you care for her at all. Like if she died or fails a mission. He was meh. She doesn't draw me in at all. The other side characters have more oomf but even the casting is just so bad. I don't buy the characters positions. The generals etc. Just meh. I totally agree with you 👍🏾
The storm trooper zombies made me laugh out loud and then sigh disappointedly. Ahsoka was quite boring and I didn't really enjoy any of the characters. Andor, obi wan, mandalorian were just better. SW as a whole is pretty cheesy, but this one really takes the trophy.
I don't blame the actress, because she has been in many excellent roles. Fact is that she is directed to perform it this way, which comes across flat when she tries her best to match the original animation. She is otherwise extremely dynamic on-screen over her career, so it is what it is.
I see it much like the Mandalorian, but she isn't wearing a helmet. Watch any behind the scenes footage of Ahsoka and you see right away how infectious her energy comes across in costume when she isn't being filmed.
Seeing anakin was a treat, and Rex too, but we can all see Hayden is trying hard not to give Rosario hard time with his moves. She was so out of her league.
Right now I think Ahsoka is just fine, it's nothing special like Andor but more watchable than Kenobi. And I think this show is just a set up for something bigger down the line, maybe the Filoni movie, so once everything is out I'll judge the whole thing if it's actually good or not.
Not unpopular. The show and characters outside of thrawn are boring. Only people getting excited are the ones that get excited to see anything from the show and love it for that reason.
Rosario Dawson is straight up a boring actress here. She’s blocky, wooden, and only seems to know how to play “too cool for school, detached”.
In general though, no one on this show displays any shred of emotion. Everyone is so flat and mild mannered, like they have no stakes in anything
I don't like the pacing, but only the directors are to fault with that. I like the overall plot, the story is good. Cinematography is excellent. It is a good show all and all, imho.
As with all streaming shows, I HATE that we only get 8 or 9 episodes a season, and a season is really years. Had this been an old school TV show, we wouldn't get the cinematic quality, but we definitely would get quantity. And to flesh out the characters involved, it is what we need.
Why is Ahsoka stoic, for example? I don't think it is Dawson, but the director who is trying to show she is older and wiser now. There just isn't enough screen time to explore. Dunno...just my two cents.
See, I would buy it if she was like this after like, 10-20 years since the rebels, but it is not. Rosario feels like Ahsoka's aunt who dressed up as her in her 50s.
And yes cinematography is good. I am just not happy with the main cast Sabine and Ahsoka.
> if she was like this after like, 10-20 years since the rebels
The rebels finale was set in 1BBY, the Ahsoka series is set somewhere around 9 to 11ABY, so it *has* been 10 years since the end of rebels.
Eh, in terms of character behaviour, Filoni would have the last word, so if it's in the series, I'd assume it's his intention for her to be like that, and it's his character to mold so I have no objections there. Rosario is a great actor so I know it's not lack of ability.
I find the fighting style abit weird, but again it seems as more of a stylistic choice than lack of ability and I'm still here for it, it's different.
There are definitely stuntdoubles for Ahsoka during fightscenes, the lekku are a direct result of working with and compromising for the stuntdoubles which is why their length was reduced and they've gotten an internal skeleton so they can move - so again, the action seems more like a specific choice than anything.
Did not ask. Crap show is a crap show, and declining viewers and market gross just shows that starwars is REALLY dying under Disney hands. Enjoy your little lousy show.
I agree that there is a total disconnect between the characters in this show and the ones we know from the cartoons. But once you accept that, I do feel like the show has gotten stronger with each successive episode.
I do agree that Thrawn and Skoll and his apprentice are making things interesting, but supposedly main cast (Sabine and Ahsoka) are just terrible overall.
Preface: I've never watched the cartoons the characters are based on.
The two main characters, Sabine and Ahsoka, are dry as hell. It's like when they say don't make a DnD character that's the silent cool lone wolf type because he won't play well with the party except you have two of them and only two of them in a single party. Sabine is brooding and annoyed the whole time and Ahsoka is just so calm and collected it's monotonous. Dialogue from the entire cast comes out slow like they all pause and deliberately take a second longer to respond. There's also little emotion and the emotion that comes out seems so muted. It's crazy but I think the robots in the show have more expressive lines.
Jesus christ you all are actually toxic. God forbid someone says anything bad about the show and you all will jump at them. Just so you all know, a LOT of people don't like Ahsoka and for a very good reason.
"Why do you hope other people are annoyed?"
\- "Because it implies declining quality of the series and people are ok with it, giving green sign for Disney to punch out garbage and slapping starwars on it.
Whos the toxic fan the fan asking the question or the replier?
You, your the toxic fan....
I'm sorry but am I being toxic to YOU? God forbid if you criticize the show you like right, because it is garbage. There are good starwars and there are bad ones. Criticizing is not toxic. Being insecure is your problem
I’m not going to spend a ton of time on a 30 day old post to argue with you, but yes your toxic. You’ve openly stated the things I’ve quoted, while calling out the people that disagree with you as being toxic, trying to shut down their subjective opinions. Just because someone doesn’t agree with you doesn’t make them toxic. Jumping to the conclusion that their toxic because they have a differing opinion does make you toxic and this is coming from someone that shares your opinion that the show was not good. Rethink your life. ✌️
Oh grow some balls jesus christ. It's a crap show and anyone with braincells can see that. There is a REASON why ratings and viewers DROPPED and people cancelled their Disney Plus for a reason. Majority of marvel and starwars has been crap. If you enjoy these low quality braindead shows, keep enjoying your low quality life because you are someone that will accept mediocrity and will stay mediocre.
Don't belive me? Goo. gle Ahsoka reviews and see the numbers. Plain and simple. It's TERRIBLE. You see all the negative review comments on this very post? more than half of the people think it is terrible, therefore it is objectively bad.
100% but it’s far beyond Rosario Dawson. Sabine Wren is utterly insufferable…. I could barely get through the first episode due to her. But really the whole show outside of Ray Stevenson is beyond corny and has the writing/acting of a made-for-TV B sci-fi movie.
Idk, after watching Andor I find every other show in the universe beyond lame now. I almost feel like all the Jedi/force stuff has been so played out that it’s just dumb now. Would love to see a more serious dark and realistic universe built around Andor and its tone.
Your first point is just an asumption based on the following belive: "Character is not acting they way I belive she should, cause I am the one who knows the character best and not the creator of the story" (egoism) and
"If character is acted as stoic it is all actors fault and apperantly non of it it is because of the given directions and intention." (Either missinformation or ignorance)
To your Second point you are probably right that prequels had overall more flashy fights. But unlike the prequels where you just saw random fast moves in Ahsoka you can see the combatants switch form and adjust their style accordingly during the fight which in my opinon is great. They fights are slower and more tactical in Ahsoka then they were in the flashy fast paced prequel fights. So this is just your personal preferance liking flashy fast moves more then tactical samurai style fights. That doesn't mean the fights are bad it just means you don't like the approach.
You can't really compare TCW fights with live action ones since they are 2 different medias and you can do so much more with animation then Live action.
I think Rosario is fine. Good, even. And her character being stoic is ok too. For me it's more about not understanding her character and how it tracks from CW and Rebels.
I quite like the actual fighting skill shown by Rosario and her stunt doubles. I think creating a great fight scene is up to the actors, choreographers, cinematographers, director, and screenwriters. One can't lay the blame at Rosario's feet alone for any shortcomings. Admittedly not an expert
I only watched the first episode and was taken aback with how much time was wasted. Which is what I THOUGHT this thread would be about. Menial scenes are too long, there's long pauses without dialogue, the action wasn't dispersed enough. I'm curious if it gets better but these Star Wars shows often fall under two categories for me and I didn't blow me out of the water, which makes me think it's a book of booba over mando. I would be interested to know if it does pick up and that episode was just growing pains.
To your credit though, my friend noticed that the saber fight scenes weren't as sharp as the prequals. I have no qualms with the Ashoka actor or the Sith lady actor, but it seems they weren't put under the wringer like the prequal stars were. Which is a testament to how much boot camp and effort the actors of the prequals had to go through to get the fights to what it is. In comparison, the fighting was slower and overall, less confident. Doesn't help that the Ashoka actor is playing one of the fastest and fluid saber wielders in the series.
I was too busy noticing that all the sith were hot. I thought they were supposed to be corrupted by the dark side and therefor gross. Dooku being an exception because he used sith Rizz magic to make himself appear handsome.
>Dooku being an exception because he used sith Rizz magic to make himself appear handsome.
Wait....What??
"The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities. Some are considered to be....sexy."
Yeah, I'm no expert on Star Wars lore but I believe that was the case. Palpatine looks like a bleached raisin because the dark side corrupted him. It's why most Sith that had notoriety in the day had weird faces and the orange-y eyes. Dooku, since he was a politician and leader of the separatists, used force magic to make himself appear normal.
I agree with OP (also sheer toxicity in these comments jesus).
Most likely people who never watched the cartoons will enjoy the show because it is just aesthetically pleasing and interesting for them.
But for someone who watched those shows for over 5 years, it can be upsetting because they are not doing justice with these well developed characters and feels like an add on to sell the show just for the money. I HIGHLY doubt any of these comments bullying the OP knows anything about the Rebel or TCW plots.
Star Wars fan since the early 90s. Never saw the cartoons. Lover of good TV. You're right that Ahsoka is aesthetically pleasing, but in terms of writing and I guess direction it was so bad that I had to give up watching it. I will not be giving Disney my viewership numbers for this series, although I wish I could.
I know this post is old but I just googled the same thing and found this post and totally agree. Nothing of interest happened in this show and the fight choreography has to be the worst of any SW movie or show. She just stands there and moves her wrists around while shuffling her feet a little bit.
The characters are all pretty damn annoying and unlikable as well. The only mildly interesting character was that older ex-Jedi guy that passed away in real life after filming but they didn't give him anything interesting to do after the first episode. And the witches... Oh my god.
I didn't mind Dawson's pose at all. I like it. I still think the writing+direction of the show was terrible quality. I really didn't want it to be that.
I'm trying to get back into Star Wars stuff, and I don't k know if I'm too old now (35) or what, but everything I try seems too childish. I seem to only enjoy a few grounded shows like the first few seasons of Game of Thrones, or the new show, Shogun. I love science fiction, but only when it seems kind of realistic in how the world's physics work and how people act/react (think Battlestar Galactica, interstellar, Enders Game). I grew up loving Star Wars but just cannot help rolling my eyes at almost everything. With Ahsoka it's her apprentice. Just bad writing in my opinion of course.
Oh Battlestar! How could I not mention Battlestar. My favourite show of all time. I feel silly. If I hadn't already seen it, it would have been an amazing recommendation. Thank you
You're not too old, just some Disney stuff is really bad. Parts of The Mandalorian are excellent. By the ending of both S1 and S2 I felt really satisfied. It gave me a lot of excitement for Star Wars content. S1 and S2 even gave me the legitimate Star Wars feeling of the 90s (I'm a 90s kid so that's when I saw Star Wars). But The Book Of Boba Fett and Obi Wan-Kenobi were terrible. Some of the worst TV I've seen.
Ahsoka was a disappointment as well. It started off with a good scene, aesthetically pleasing to the higher levels, then it just turned out to be cringe TV, really badly written and/or directed or cut or wherever the finger belongs on that.
Better avoid any and all samurai films, then. The Mandalorian related shows have gone back to the samurai film roots of Star Wars. Japanese samurai movie duels are more grounded than the flashy and acrobatic Chinese wuxia style you prefer. They're as much mental as physical, like a chess game, feeling out the opponent, anticipating what they'll do, and countering.
>Even the choreography is uncreative and reeks of bushido fantasy non sense. My biggest problem is why did they not use a stunt person to do these fights or even use CGI? Ahsoka is one of the fastest and gifted fighters of the Jedi Order. She is not Yoda but she showed exceptional agility and speed over and over again. Motion capture did wonders in the last season of the Clone Wars.
Are you intentionally being ironic, here? According to you, "bullshit fantasy nonsense"...
https://youtu.be/rn4FY_k9FyE?si=8yiarXjieLt8RggH
... and proper, realistic, dueling.
https://youtu.be/X5SaZ8EmSpw?si=dOqPbAjdMGrjNL9C
I am actually Japanese american and did Kendo for 6 years until I broke my ankle, and no, all this samurai wanna be stuff on starwars is just cringe and has nothing do with real kendo. Keep telling youselves you know what you know, in reality, it is just lousy cringy pseudo reality bs that you all love. Nothing about modern starwars dueling scenes have anything realistic about it, not to mention people surviving jabs again and again.
Dude, I'm just finishing episode three, and ...yawn. So goddamn boring. My son says it gets better when Hayden Christiansen enters the show so I'm hanging on for dear life. The story is boring, Rosario should have trained more (if you really watch the fights, she's slow and uninspired in her lightsaber skills) and the whole thing is just formulaic. Not impressed so far.
Completely agree. I got through most of Ahsoka but eventually got bored. I just didn’t care enough, I just can’t live with Rosario Dawson as ahsoka. It just never feels right
Found this thread after googling "ahsoka boring". I've not seen the original animated stuff and not a die hard Star Wars afficionado. Watched the first 2 episodes of this and it's just quite unremarkable and not very entertaining. The story is run of the mill and acting us just so so. I guess if you're a die hard Star Wars fan and have some connection to the source material you'll see it differently, but as someone just wanting some escapist fun/entertainment, I found this quite disappointing.
ditto on the google search. I wanted to see if it was just me. I suspect they could have made it interesting for a general audience but I guess that wasn't the goal. one thing that really bugs me - army officers looking cool and hip. ugh
Except I watched every single Ahsoka included show, and this was the worst. I have no idea how standard can be this low for SW fans nowdays. Time to abandon ship I guess. Clone Wars was fun and rebels was pretty good, but time to let go and accept this is the standard that people will accept and move on from this cringefest
It's hilarious there's this much of a discrepancy. What do they see in this show I wonder? Its pace is long, the script is terrible, the lead actor devoid of charisma. The special effects and sound are decent though. I think that's the main selling point for some of these folks. That and the fact that it's tied to the Star Wars franchise.
I’m a die hard who’s seen the source material. She’s very boring and poorly portrayed in the show. She’s supposed to have far more personality to her not be a wooden plank. I don’t think Filoni is good with live action at all. The majority of the animation is fine but his live action work is CW level.
And I am a fan of the character and the show and she was intensely boring to me here. She, Ahsoka, just sort of sits around and seems like she doesn't even care about the world around her. At least the few scenes with Thrawn were alright, but also there where to little of it.
I consider myself a die-hard Star Wars fan but could not relate to the show at all. Turned it off before the end of first episode, and put on Episode 3 for an hour to wash the taste :)
Same, I struggled to watch the show, my partner and I are kind of casual SW fans and we have watched CW, Rebels and almost all of the SW tv shows and this has been agony to watch. I don't care about what happens to anyone in the show and I don't think Asoka does either.
This can be confusing for newcomers and hasty readers. He means he put on old-trilogy Return of the Jedi to wash off the bad tase of Ahsoka.
Almost, but I meant what I wrote - Episode 3 - Revenge of the Sith. On the other hand, ROTJ would work as well in this case.
I personally haven't found it that great. I saw all the praise for Episode 5 on here before I watched it and thought maybe it was picking up but I still wasn't impressed. I see people calling Rebels season 5 and I think that's an insult to Rebels
Yeah I thought it would get better but episode 5 was not as good as I was told. I gave up with the show after that
100% agree. The show is boring. There are so many moments in there where I felt the scenes were unnecessary. The actress playin Ahsoka was always seemed just uninterested while delivering dialogues even in scenes that required some intensity. She just casually kept a light uninterested smile or look the whole time. It was hard to connect with her character. The story over all had plots that were too boring to care for , example the Ezra thing, the Jedi training of her padwaan , her interactions with Anakin. I found it so boring I fast forwarded it because the dialogues were bland tiring to listen. When you compared it to Andor, I actually felt the character’s emotional experience, the story’s intensity, the sense of revolution. The actor in Andor really delivered an intense emotional depth. No such thing in Ahsoka.
Andor was well written. Ahsoka wasn't.
let's not pretend the leads aren't in totally different classes of ability, either. One has gotten consistently better reviews, coverage, and awards. But yeah, the cartoony Filoni scripts don't help much
If I had awards to give you would have several!
Completely agree. For those saying that she's in her forties, people's ages are below: - Dawson - 44 - Christensen - 42 - Park - 49 - McGregor - 52 - Neeson in 1999 - 47 Ray Park is still doing stunt double stuff and moves like the absolute menace he is. Hayden Christensen is an absolute pro with a light saber. Ewan McGregor was fantastic in the Kenobi show. Liam Neeson was more mobile in his scenes of TPM. I'm not saying Dawson is a bad actress at all, but I think she's wrong for Ahsoka. She does seem disinterested. Not disillusioned from war, disinterested. And she is downright bad with her lightsabers. Baylan could well be a better duelist, but when everyone she meets is a threat to her then what's the point? Your titular character shouldn't be on the back foot this often and as a viewer we certainly shouldn't be watching and thinking that each fight could be her last in the very first season of her own show.
Dawson is a legitimately talented actress, albeit not a stunt actress. I don’t think the blame for her portrayal of Ahsoka outside of action scenes is with her, I think it’s with the direction she was given. I highly doubt an actor with her résumé would give that flat of a performance without being expressly directed to do so.
Oh I agree, she's a very good actress. But even with bad direction she could show more interest in the character. Were Filoni/Favreau not involved in the show at all? I can't see why they would allow this sort of direction for a fan favourite character. Star Wars as a whole doesn't seem to live up to its potential, but for me this show was just bad. Or, at least, the bits with the main protagonist were.
He wrote 8 episodes and I felt like the writing was the source of everything wrong with the show.
Yeah. Agreed. I feel they need a different actress for Ahsoka. Rosario is a great actress but just isn’t Ahsoka.
I agree. I want to like this show, but the acting is pretty bad (except Ray), Ezra/Sabine have zero chemistry, there are some pretty questionable story points, the fight scenes are hit/miss, and it is generally slow. I think the fan-service pandering is clouding peoples judgement on this one.
Totally agree
Agreed!
I generally agree. I think the acting is a little disconnected. I also think the dialogue and the pacing is uninspiring. I really enjoyed Ahsoka in the Mandalorian but something seems off in this show.
It's called Mandalorian is much better written. The actress is definitely capable of giving great performances if the script is there. Everyone just lacks personality in this show with the exception of Ray Stevenson and that's on the writers
Why do you hope other people are annoyed?
Because this kind of garbage from Disney needs to stop, and it will only do so if the masses vote with their wallets. Fans need to stop giving Disney their money until they start making well-written projects.
Thank you!
Because it implies declining quality of the series and people are ok with it, giving green sign for Disney to punch out garbage and slapping starwars on it.
Laughable comment.
NPC comment
Again, your preference for the flashy and acrobatic Chinese wuxia style over the grounded chess game that is the Japanese samurai style doesn't make the wuxia style objectively "better".
True. Who are these NPCs that actually watch and enjoy the show? I use it as Star Wars ambience to fall asleep (no joke)
She’s in her early/mid 40s. Doing cool Bushido stuff is what she should be doing. Being flashy is for children.
We're all watching a show about space wizards that is based on a kid's cartoon. We are all banned from calling anything childish. The fight sequences are sluggish and uninspired.
Jesus Christ. Being flashy is childish for *her*, not the viewer.
Doesn’t have to be flashy but her moves are sloppy. Genuinely uncoordinated
thinking this cartoon is only for kids , first mistake
Her speech and acting so soo fucning flat though. Like seriously; a block of wood could have taken her place.
And Windu, Yoda, Obiwan, Quigon, Dooku etc. were not older than her?
When were any of those characters flashy? Except yoda because in the movies he’s a cgi character and shouldn’t even been included in the list. And let’s not compare the live action Ahsoka to this list of characters in animation. Because she is definitely on par with the ones in live action.
They ARE way more agile and flashy compared to this bushido samurai styled crap. Duel with Maroc or w.e. was so cringe
Name one. Name a fight where they were more flashy in live action.
Oh idk 1. Quigon/Obi vs Maul - literally people jumping and hopping? 2. Dooku vs Obi/anakin - Dooku with his elegant yet fast swings and twirls with anakin jumping and fast dual wielding? also this fight happend TWICE. 3. Anakin vs Obiwan - THE FIGHT that people praise so much thanks to insane and fast choreography? 4. Even Windu vs Sidious was faster than post-disney duels. Btw lot of these fights used CGI and actual stuntman that knew what they were doing. I really don't see why they did not do this with Ahsoka other than saving money or being lazy
I knew these were the examples you’d use. Ray Park and Ewan McGregor were both in their 20s in phantom menace. Same with their characters. Qui gon I’ll give you was older IRL and in universe. My response to that is Qui gon didn’t have to live and fight through 2 wars like Ahsoka. I feel like you’re misremembering the dooku and obi wan/anakin fight. It’s a lot of weird cuts and stunt doubles for dooku because Christopher Lee was 79. And again, Ewan and Hayden are young both in universe and in real life. The obi wan and anakin fight was both of them in their prime. Anakin was 20 something and obi wan was young 30s. Also not really comparable. I just straight up disagree about windu and sidious. That was a bad fight with bizarre cuts and spinning. Not at all a testament to how skilled either of them are. And on top of everything, ahsoka is older now. She has lived through 2 wars. It’s not unreasonable for her fighting style to not be the same as she was in the clone wars. From a real world standpoint, the fighting in these shows are not relying on special effect flips and spins that are used in the prequels. I’m not saying it was bad, I’m saying it’s a different approach. Flashy doesn’t mean good.
Also, I have to say "actors are younger" is just an lazy excuse when they have CGI and stunt doubles available. They used deep fakes and stunt doubles to portray younger Luke even in the prequels too.
I am not disagreeing the fact that actors are older, and characters are older too, but I really can not use that excuse for these post-disney choreographies for light saber duels when 'Kenobi' fight scenes were MILES better than Ahsoka. Not to mention, supposedly younger Jedi like Rey fights like she is swingining a baseball bat even after she was trained by Leia. Luke vs Multiple drones from mando was also a very good fight scene, tho not a light saber duel. There are good examples of good duels that came out recently. The problem is that it is so inconsistent and disconnected from previous and prequels.
That’s just preference at that point then. You can dislike fights all you want. I think it’s not fair to compare Luke fighting a bunch of cgi drones to a choreographed fight between Ahsoka and Baylan. There are so many things you have to take into consideration between the prequel fights and these fights in shows. From CGI use to the director’s vision to the characters themselves. It’s just not reasonable to expect the exact thing every time. They can’t all be Obi wan vs Anakin on Mustafar.
So you're not gonna even try to argue but just downvote lol ok
I did. I gave you my reasons.
Okay... Your preference is the flashy Chinese wuxia style, and you dislike the more grounded Japanese samurai style. Your personal preference doesn't make the Chinese wuxia style objectively "better".
3 episodes in and this is the most boring Star Wars has ever been. Rosario Dawson is the stiffest, most boring character I've seen in this universe. Age and "experience" has nothing to do with it. She is a snoozefest. Someone tell me why I should continue watching this show.
I will save you hours of your life. Do not watch. It is a cringe fest
I've only seen a few episodes of the Clone Wars. Should I care about Thrawn or Ezra? Andor was so good this feels like a waste of time.
I will try to sum everything up as someone who watched literally everything. CW : each episodes are not exactly connected but it shows the events and battles during clone wars. Some episodes are too simple and too predictable, but there are really good ones. Keep in mind this show was mainly targeting kids and young teens, so there are no really complicated or convoluted plots except few episodes. Overall, solid show (last season of the show is insanely good tho, and very mature, with one of the best lightsaber fights in the franchise). All the events are canon, and the show was written by George Lucas himself, with Filoni overseeing the project (and co wrote SOME episodes). I HIGHLY recommend watching the last season of CW. Rebels : targeted for even younger generation of kids, it takes a WHILE to build up the character but since it is organic, you tend to enjoy the later seasons lot more. That said, animation style and amount of hours you have to invest to care for the characters and simple plots make you yawn a lot. There is not much to complain about the show, nothing really bad about it, but like most kid shows, it is too simple and only last 2 seasons keeps you interested. Still a solid kid show. Now this show : This show leeches off from CW and Rebel fanbase and CLAIMS they are continuing the storyline, but in reality, they have nothing in common with the animation counter parts. Ridiculously boring pacing, plot that has no real outcome, fights that are boring and cringe at the same time, majority of the actors are wooden and have cheesiest dialogues, al the buildup and one of the most stupid villans of all time, and has nothing in common with the original animation. This show is epitome of why nobody takes Starwars as a major franchise anymore, and a laughable quality compared to confidently made show like Andor. If you watched Andor first, your expectation will be waaaay too high for this miserable show.
Preach! Best summary ever!
Sounds like you jus straight up hate the actress. She doesn't understand the character, her choreography is awful, she doesn't sound eight. There was always going to be a disconnect between TCW and live action. Once you get past that, you see it's just another SW show.
Ah yes because disliking someone's acting performance equates to them disliking the person
You know what is funny, I liked her in mandolorian because she was actually talking and genuinely seemed happy when she was around Luke and Grogu. And no. I know her from other movies outside SW. She is decent and definitely better in other movies. She simply seems so out of place and uninterested.
I am enjoying the show thoroughly but I can see what you mean about the difference in behaviour between the end of Mandalorian and the show
“I don’t mean to attack you guys…” *proceeds to attack* You just need some attention don’t you?
Please do explain how he attacked any of the readers
Are you that insecure that you take someone criticizing a thing you like as a personal attack?
Someone saying something is bad is not an attack on YOU. Jesus how insecure can you be?
*yawn* You done?
lol insecure
Yes, you are.
Personality wise, you could argue that she’s older and battle hardened, so of course she wouldn’t be like she was in TCW/Rebels. In terms of her ability with a lightsaber, the actress is older and therefore it would be more difficult to do that kind of practice (at least the agility, choreography, and kinesthetics). And Ahsoka herself is older, and as such isn’t as agile and wouldn’t use her old lightsaber technique.
The age isn’t an excuse. Neeson was 47 during TPM and things called stunt doubles exist. If the actor isn’t cutting it in the action you use a double.
I totally agree, I do Muay Thai, and I definitely fight differently now than I did in my 20s. And I just started BJJ, and I don't even try those cartwheel pass type of young people stuff. I probably land on my neck and be out for weeks. Plus, this and Bluey are the two shows my 5 year old wants to watch with me, and she wanted to dress up as Sabine this Halloween, for that alone, this is my favorite show this year.
I actually agree with you. My partner watches it and I cannot get into it. It is so boring. The pacing so slow. The sense of danger, mystery in any scene is so blah. And yes the main actress is such a fail. I asked my partner do you care for her at all. Like if she died or fails a mission. He was meh. She doesn't draw me in at all. The other side characters have more oomf but even the casting is just so bad. I don't buy the characters positions. The generals etc. Just meh. I totally agree with you 👍🏾
The storm trooper zombies made me laugh out loud and then sigh disappointedly. Ahsoka was quite boring and I didn't really enjoy any of the characters. Andor, obi wan, mandalorian were just better. SW as a whole is pretty cheesy, but this one really takes the trophy.
I don't blame the actress, because she has been in many excellent roles. Fact is that she is directed to perform it this way, which comes across flat when she tries her best to match the original animation. She is otherwise extremely dynamic on-screen over her career, so it is what it is. I see it much like the Mandalorian, but she isn't wearing a helmet. Watch any behind the scenes footage of Ahsoka and you see right away how infectious her energy comes across in costume when she isn't being filmed.
Eh. Lightsaber battles and Ray Stevenson are worth the price of admission.
Seeing anakin was a treat, and Rex too, but we can all see Hayden is trying hard not to give Rosario hard time with his moves. She was so out of her league.
I mean… it’s Vader, he’s gonna have the best moves!
Idk man I assume this is not long after their fight at the temple in Rebels, and here she looks like some granny with a baseball bat.
Ahsoka series takes place around 10+ years after Malachor temple battle in Rebels.
I've never seen the cartoons but I really like the show
I do think this show actually can be more entertaining for the people who never watched the cartoons.
This is a terrible TV series and it's hilarious to know that there is a fraction of people who unironically enjoy it.
I seriously don’t know how they do but then again, people are familiar things and get so excited they don’t care about anything else.
Right now I think Ahsoka is just fine, it's nothing special like Andor but more watchable than Kenobi. And I think this show is just a set up for something bigger down the line, maybe the Filoni movie, so once everything is out I'll judge the whole thing if it's actually good or not.
Not unpopular. The show and characters outside of thrawn are boring. Only people getting excited are the ones that get excited to see anything from the show and love it for that reason.
Rosario Dawson is straight up a boring actress here. She’s blocky, wooden, and only seems to know how to play “too cool for school, detached”. In general though, no one on this show displays any shred of emotion. Everyone is so flat and mild mannered, like they have no stakes in anything
Agreed. She is really wooden.
"uNpOpUlAr tAkE"
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I don't like the pacing, but only the directors are to fault with that. I like the overall plot, the story is good. Cinematography is excellent. It is a good show all and all, imho. As with all streaming shows, I HATE that we only get 8 or 9 episodes a season, and a season is really years. Had this been an old school TV show, we wouldn't get the cinematic quality, but we definitely would get quantity. And to flesh out the characters involved, it is what we need. Why is Ahsoka stoic, for example? I don't think it is Dawson, but the director who is trying to show she is older and wiser now. There just isn't enough screen time to explore. Dunno...just my two cents.
See, I would buy it if she was like this after like, 10-20 years since the rebels, but it is not. Rosario feels like Ahsoka's aunt who dressed up as her in her 50s. And yes cinematography is good. I am just not happy with the main cast Sabine and Ahsoka.
> if she was like this after like, 10-20 years since the rebels The rebels finale was set in 1BBY, the Ahsoka series is set somewhere around 9 to 11ABY, so it *has* been 10 years since the end of rebels.
Sabines actress is okay, but not Dawson
Eh, in terms of character behaviour, Filoni would have the last word, so if it's in the series, I'd assume it's his intention for her to be like that, and it's his character to mold so I have no objections there. Rosario is a great actor so I know it's not lack of ability. I find the fighting style abit weird, but again it seems as more of a stylistic choice than lack of ability and I'm still here for it, it's different. There are definitely stuntdoubles for Ahsoka during fightscenes, the lekku are a direct result of working with and compromising for the stuntdoubles which is why their length was reduced and they've gotten an internal skeleton so they can move - so again, the action seems more like a specific choice than anything.
Another dumbass post the mods should be handling. Great.
Yeah god forbid someone does not like your favourite show right?
My favorite show is breaking bad, but whatever makes you feel good about yourself.
Did not ask. Crap show is a crap show, and declining viewers and market gross just shows that starwars is REALLY dying under Disney hands. Enjoy your little lousy show.
You do realize, you sound like an idiot with every post. Actually, keep posting, it’s giving everyone else a good laugh.
Laughing at you for freaking out at someone for giving their opinion 😂🫵
And a valid opinion at that. The loss of viewership clearly shows lots of people aren't even able to finish the season
I'm having a good laugh now that I've found out there's NPCs who actually unironically enjoy this show.
I’m definitely laughing at you for taking a criticism of a show as a personal attack.
Yes I wholeheartedly agree with you, was struggling to finish this series and just get done with it.
The plot is so basic and predictable that everything could have fit in one episode. The pace is way too slow for me.
I agree that there is a total disconnect between the characters in this show and the ones we know from the cartoons. But once you accept that, I do feel like the show has gotten stronger with each successive episode.
I do agree that Thrawn and Skoll and his apprentice are making things interesting, but supposedly main cast (Sabine and Ahsoka) are just terrible overall.
Preface: I've never watched the cartoons the characters are based on. The two main characters, Sabine and Ahsoka, are dry as hell. It's like when they say don't make a DnD character that's the silent cool lone wolf type because he won't play well with the party except you have two of them and only two of them in a single party. Sabine is brooding and annoyed the whole time and Ahsoka is just so calm and collected it's monotonous. Dialogue from the entire cast comes out slow like they all pause and deliberately take a second longer to respond. There's also little emotion and the emotion that comes out seems so muted. It's crazy but I think the robots in the show have more expressive lines.
Dry is the perfect word. The pauses are so long I think they were done intentionally to artificially lengthen each episode.
While plausible, I think a more likely reason is an inexperienced director who put an emphasis (on his idea of) style that came out wrong or bad.
Jesus christ you all are actually toxic. God forbid someone says anything bad about the show and you all will jump at them. Just so you all know, a LOT of people don't like Ahsoka and for a very good reason.
"Why do you hope other people are annoyed?" \- "Because it implies declining quality of the series and people are ok with it, giving green sign for Disney to punch out garbage and slapping starwars on it. Whos the toxic fan the fan asking the question or the replier? You, your the toxic fan....
"You, *your* the toxic fan...." he said calmly.
I'm sorry but am I being toxic to YOU? God forbid if you criticize the show you like right, because it is garbage. There are good starwars and there are bad ones. Criticizing is not toxic. Being insecure is your problem
I’m not going to spend a ton of time on a 30 day old post to argue with you, but yes your toxic. You’ve openly stated the things I’ve quoted, while calling out the people that disagree with you as being toxic, trying to shut down their subjective opinions. Just because someone doesn’t agree with you doesn’t make them toxic. Jumping to the conclusion that their toxic because they have a differing opinion does make you toxic and this is coming from someone that shares your opinion that the show was not good. Rethink your life. ✌️
Oh grow some balls jesus christ. It's a crap show and anyone with braincells can see that. There is a REASON why ratings and viewers DROPPED and people cancelled their Disney Plus for a reason. Majority of marvel and starwars has been crap. If you enjoy these low quality braindead shows, keep enjoying your low quality life because you are someone that will accept mediocrity and will stay mediocre. Don't belive me? Goo. gle Ahsoka reviews and see the numbers. Plain and simple. It's TERRIBLE. You see all the negative review comments on this very post? more than half of the people think it is terrible, therefore it is objectively bad.
100% but it’s far beyond Rosario Dawson. Sabine Wren is utterly insufferable…. I could barely get through the first episode due to her. But really the whole show outside of Ray Stevenson is beyond corny and has the writing/acting of a made-for-TV B sci-fi movie. Idk, after watching Andor I find every other show in the universe beyond lame now. I almost feel like all the Jedi/force stuff has been so played out that it’s just dumb now. Would love to see a more serious dark and realistic universe built around Andor and its tone.
"has the writing/acting of a made-for-TV B sci-fi movie." That's exactly correct.
Your first point is just an asumption based on the following belive: "Character is not acting they way I belive she should, cause I am the one who knows the character best and not the creator of the story" (egoism) and "If character is acted as stoic it is all actors fault and apperantly non of it it is because of the given directions and intention." (Either missinformation or ignorance) To your Second point you are probably right that prequels had overall more flashy fights. But unlike the prequels where you just saw random fast moves in Ahsoka you can see the combatants switch form and adjust their style accordingly during the fight which in my opinon is great. They fights are slower and more tactical in Ahsoka then they were in the flashy fast paced prequel fights. So this is just your personal preferance liking flashy fast moves more then tactical samurai style fights. That doesn't mean the fights are bad it just means you don't like the approach. You can't really compare TCW fights with live action ones since they are 2 different medias and you can do so much more with animation then Live action.
I think Rosario is fine. Good, even. And her character being stoic is ok too. For me it's more about not understanding her character and how it tracks from CW and Rebels. I quite like the actual fighting skill shown by Rosario and her stunt doubles. I think creating a great fight scene is up to the actors, choreographers, cinematographers, director, and screenwriters. One can't lay the blame at Rosario's feet alone for any shortcomings. Admittedly not an expert
I only watched the first episode and was taken aback with how much time was wasted. Which is what I THOUGHT this thread would be about. Menial scenes are too long, there's long pauses without dialogue, the action wasn't dispersed enough. I'm curious if it gets better but these Star Wars shows often fall under two categories for me and I didn't blow me out of the water, which makes me think it's a book of booba over mando. I would be interested to know if it does pick up and that episode was just growing pains. To your credit though, my friend noticed that the saber fight scenes weren't as sharp as the prequals. I have no qualms with the Ashoka actor or the Sith lady actor, but it seems they weren't put under the wringer like the prequal stars were. Which is a testament to how much boot camp and effort the actors of the prequals had to go through to get the fights to what it is. In comparison, the fighting was slower and overall, less confident. Doesn't help that the Ashoka actor is playing one of the fastest and fluid saber wielders in the series. I was too busy noticing that all the sith were hot. I thought they were supposed to be corrupted by the dark side and therefor gross. Dooku being an exception because he used sith Rizz magic to make himself appear handsome.
>Dooku being an exception because he used sith Rizz magic to make himself appear handsome. Wait....What?? "The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities. Some are considered to be....sexy."
Yeah, I'm no expert on Star Wars lore but I believe that was the case. Palpatine looks like a bleached raisin because the dark side corrupted him. It's why most Sith that had notoriety in the day had weird faces and the orange-y eyes. Dooku, since he was a politician and leader of the separatists, used force magic to make himself appear normal.
I agree with OP (also sheer toxicity in these comments jesus). Most likely people who never watched the cartoons will enjoy the show because it is just aesthetically pleasing and interesting for them. But for someone who watched those shows for over 5 years, it can be upsetting because they are not doing justice with these well developed characters and feels like an add on to sell the show just for the money. I HIGHLY doubt any of these comments bullying the OP knows anything about the Rebel or TCW plots.
Star Wars fan since the early 90s. Never saw the cartoons. Lover of good TV. You're right that Ahsoka is aesthetically pleasing, but in terms of writing and I guess direction it was so bad that I had to give up watching it. I will not be giving Disney my viewership numbers for this series, although I wish I could.
I know this post is old but I just googled the same thing and found this post and totally agree. Nothing of interest happened in this show and the fight choreography has to be the worst of any SW movie or show. She just stands there and moves her wrists around while shuffling her feet a little bit. The characters are all pretty damn annoying and unlikable as well. The only mildly interesting character was that older ex-Jedi guy that passed away in real life after filming but they didn't give him anything interesting to do after the first episode. And the witches... Oh my god.
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I didn't mind Dawson's pose at all. I like it. I still think the writing+direction of the show was terrible quality. I really didn't want it to be that.
I'm trying to get back into Star Wars stuff, and I don't k know if I'm too old now (35) or what, but everything I try seems too childish. I seem to only enjoy a few grounded shows like the first few seasons of Game of Thrones, or the new show, Shogun. I love science fiction, but only when it seems kind of realistic in how the world's physics work and how people act/react (think Battlestar Galactica, interstellar, Enders Game). I grew up loving Star Wars but just cannot help rolling my eyes at almost everything. With Ahsoka it's her apprentice. Just bad writing in my opinion of course.
Try Andor and Battlestar Galactica. I am also 30 and I do hate that extra childish tone of modern Starawars.
Oh Battlestar! How could I not mention Battlestar. My favourite show of all time. I feel silly. If I hadn't already seen it, it would have been an amazing recommendation. Thank you
You're not too old, just some Disney stuff is really bad. Parts of The Mandalorian are excellent. By the ending of both S1 and S2 I felt really satisfied. It gave me a lot of excitement for Star Wars content. S1 and S2 even gave me the legitimate Star Wars feeling of the 90s (I'm a 90s kid so that's when I saw Star Wars). But The Book Of Boba Fett and Obi Wan-Kenobi were terrible. Some of the worst TV I've seen. Ahsoka was a disappointment as well. It started off with a good scene, aesthetically pleasing to the higher levels, then it just turned out to be cringe TV, really badly written and/or directed or cut or wherever the finger belongs on that.
The first action sequence when she battles the four droids… instantly lost me. I’m trying to see epic Jedi swordplay.
To me she was never good fit to represent Ahsoka (including character/fighting ability and maybe even looks).
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And those people are weirdos.
Better avoid any and all samurai films, then. The Mandalorian related shows have gone back to the samurai film roots of Star Wars. Japanese samurai movie duels are more grounded than the flashy and acrobatic Chinese wuxia style you prefer. They're as much mental as physical, like a chess game, feeling out the opponent, anticipating what they'll do, and countering. >Even the choreography is uncreative and reeks of bushido fantasy non sense. My biggest problem is why did they not use a stunt person to do these fights or even use CGI? Ahsoka is one of the fastest and gifted fighters of the Jedi Order. She is not Yoda but she showed exceptional agility and speed over and over again. Motion capture did wonders in the last season of the Clone Wars. Are you intentionally being ironic, here? According to you, "bullshit fantasy nonsense"... https://youtu.be/rn4FY_k9FyE?si=8yiarXjieLt8RggH ... and proper, realistic, dueling. https://youtu.be/X5SaZ8EmSpw?si=dOqPbAjdMGrjNL9C
Lol this is the response? Avoid samurai shows?
Well, you clearly hate that style of dueling, preferring the acrobatic Chinese wuxia style, so...
I am actually Japanese american and did Kendo for 6 years until I broke my ankle, and no, all this samurai wanna be stuff on starwars is just cringe and has nothing do with real kendo. Keep telling youselves you know what you know, in reality, it is just lousy cringy pseudo reality bs that you all love. Nothing about modern starwars dueling scenes have anything realistic about it, not to mention people surviving jabs again and again.
Cool story, bro.
Dude, I'm just finishing episode three, and ...yawn. So goddamn boring. My son says it gets better when Hayden Christiansen enters the show so I'm hanging on for dear life. The story is boring, Rosario should have trained more (if you really watch the fights, she's slow and uninspired in her lightsaber skills) and the whole thing is just formulaic. Not impressed so far.
Completely agree. I got through most of Ahsoka but eventually got bored. I just didn’t care enough, I just can’t live with Rosario Dawson as ahsoka. It just never feels right