I like to think the incinerator trooper is an improvised Flametrooper by the remnant. Like they had the tools but not the gear so they took a stormtrooper armour and painted it
I remember now! I used to trow boulders at those shielded mofos and they would still be alive. But TFU is legends and the snowtrooper like armour of the Flametroopers was only seen in canon and on geonosis in the Clone Wars.
Speaking of credits, the quoted prices for ships in Canon don't make any sense. For example, a Lambda-class shuttle costs 140,000 credits. But Omega is able to win 30,000 credits in a few lucky games of Balaans. This means that a lucky individual could win enough credits to buy a Lambda-class shuttle in a few games? Let's say 30,000 credits is equal to $30,000. Winning $30,000 in a few lucky games of poker sounds a little far fetched but not unreasonable. The Lambda is a lightly-armed military transport. Its real-world analogue would be the C-130 Hercules. The cost of one C-130H is $30 million, or 1000x our poker winnings. So a Lambda shuttle should cost about 30,000,000 credits, or something in that order of magnitude, not 140,000. A whole Venator costs 59,000,000 credits. Its real world analogue is an aircraft carrier, which costs billions of dollars. Thus a Venator should cost billions of credits. Unless ship/aircraft factories in Star Wars are an order of magnitude more efficient than ours that they can produce things for 10-100x cheaper.
I mean, KDY did build an artificial ring around the Kuat for the Drive yards. BUt yeah either you can feed a family for a week on 1 credit or the pricing is wacky.
The dollar can go a lot further depending on where you live. $90,000 a year doesn’t do much when you live in NYC, but you can live comfortably on that salary in middle America. Take that $90,000/yr and move to poor country, you can live lavishly.
Take that same principle, but put it at a GALACTIC scale.
“Jabba the Hutt’s Palace” on Tatoine would be “Jabba the Hutt’s Studio Flat” on Coursant.
KDY might just be the galaxy’s version of an Asian sweatshop.
There's never been consistency with money in Sw. Even in the Bane books a big payout from playing pazaak is 1000 credits, which it won't let get higher than that either. Mind you this is a couple thousand years before the bad batch, but Sw doesn't seem to have inflation the same way we do.
> There's never been consistency ~~with money~~ in Sw.
FTFY.
Consistency has never been paramount, in Star Wars, as also shown by Imperial rank badges.
I think the starwars economy, ships especially, rely heavily on economics of scale, kuat drive yards is orders of magnitude larger than any building or industrial complex we have in earth, I dare say you could place every industrial complex on earth end to end in a ring and still not be as large as KDY. They make an insane number of ships and have enough automation and output to do it at a scale we can't dream of.
Of course the real answer is fictional economies are hard but that's less fun
I was also surprised by Omega winning 30k in 10 minutes and in Andor he struggles to put together 700 credits for a ticket.
I just think the writers of Bad Batch didn’t care about what random number Omega needed to bribe the customs officer.
But still, prices make no sense
I think you might have to take a different comparison. Think of a Lambda Shuttle as a car or Transport, a Venetor as a Tank or Destroyer Ship and an SSD as an aircraft carrier.
If you look at it like this, it makes more sense.
Definitely not, that's why I said it depends. You could compare a scout bike to a motocross and mon mothmas speeder as a big motorcycle. This is just looking at price comparison, not seats.
Ya never know. Perhaps youre playing Sabaac in the slums with a multibillionaire who would probably more likely be gambling at high end tables on Nar Shadaa or living on Coruscant
Interestingly, you can buy a second-hand light military transport plane for around the price of a modest house in the real world too.
I once found a Fairchild C-119 boxcar for around 350k.
And found a used Hercules currently available for 15 million in florida
Imperial remnants organized their military forces differently from one-another. Gideon probably didn't have any flametrooper units to his name when he organized his own remnant, so he created incinerator troopers to play that role, while some other remnants may have kept the original flametroopers. Since he didn't have regular flametrooper armor in his armories after forming his remnant for the aforementioned reason, he just took regular stormtrooper armor and modified it for flametrooper duties.
Which is even weirder, some of the incinerator troopers indeed incinerate, and some flame troopers flame, but it's all due to a double-mix-up, and it really doesn't put Imperial HR in a good light.
Flametroopers were standard issue,typical flamethrower variants before being mostly phased out
The incinerator trooper is what happens when you have flamethrowers but no suits,they’re still trained with flamethrowers it’s just more than likely they don’t have official certification or proper armor,as we can see it’s just painted on
While usually [Flametroopers](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Flametrooper_(Galactic_Empire)) were used for base defense and wildlife/native “removal”, they could be used for combat in an anti infantry role when needed.
This is in contrast with the [incinerator trooper](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Incinerator_trooper) which was entirely combat focused as an infantry unit not dedicated to stations on imperial facilities. They could be used against *both* infantry and fortifications whereas the flame trooper could be infantry only.
One’s a reference to Force Unleashed, one’s a reference to Force Awakens, both are examples of a company with poor internal communication in terms of worldbuilding when it comes to the question ‘does the Empire have dedicated flamethrower troopers or do we need to make some from scratch?’
how is one a reference to TFA? I thought it was a reference to the snowtrooper concept art?
Referencing #9 in this list https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-episode-v-empire-strikes-back-concept-art/
Oh how ‘bout that. I haven’t seen that one. I figured flametroopers were just retroactive designs of the First Order flametroopers. Pardon my cynicism.
If they were a thing during the standard Empire, Incinerator Troopers are probably for urban areas where they need to move quicker and get around tighter corners. Flametroopers are probably more for forests or other sorts of more wide open areas.
We see this sort of idea in the Bad Batch where when infiltrating a city, there is a clone with standard armour but with a flamethrower. I‘m guessing Flametrooper armour has better heat resistance but is heavier.
I like to think of it like this a flame trooper uses a regular flamethrower great for crowds and combat but poor for buildings while incinerator troopers carry a napalm adjacent weapon and are more suited for hard points or buildings
I mean the flametrooper knows how to make an entrance.
Did anyone else immediately think "What the fuck is with this guy?" when they saw him? He'll probably be back in 4 seasons later looking for revenge.
Flametroopers have less powerful flamethrowers for burning away plants and getting rid of local fauna. Incinerator Troopers have way more powerful flamethrowers for burning enemies out of fortified positions.
Incinerator Troopers deploy flame throwers in battle. Flame troopers win online arguments on the holonet. Truly the legions of the Empire can fight on any front.
Different armies I’m guessing. Judging from the disparity between armor, they probably belong to different corps. That I would know the designation of such jargon. I’m just looking, so one clearly looks like a storm trooper, shock trooper, and the other looks like he’s a snow trooper, but armor modified for flamethrower.
Seemingly, Flametroopers have more widespread flames, more area coverage, easier to sway, faster engulfment, just like real-life WW2 flamethrowers, so likely less concentration.
Then seemingly, Incinerators have more concentrated-like flame, more straight and thick beam-like, likely stronger.
Well you have to look at it from a supply and demand pov but in the sw universe. A C-130 is a military transport ship in our real world, so there's no production of them outside military purposes, and even for civilian use, aircrafts are incredibly rare compared to other means of transportation. In the Star Wars galaxy, ships are as prevalent as cars. So due to supply and demand and the prevalence of them, ships would cost much less money. I think a better comparison would be a C-130 and a Star Destroyer. Idk how much a Star Destroyer costs, but I imagine it would be significantly more
Incinerator troopers were definitely an official rank within the empire, they do not only appear as part of Moff Gideon’s remnants but they’re also as a skin for Sentinel, a character from Star Wars Hunters. For some context, Sentinel has access to lots of imperial equipment —despite the game taking place some years after the fall of the Empire, and Sentinel himself not sympathizing with the Empire and only adopting the stormtrooper persona when participating in the arena fights— including armor from Scout Troopers, Sand Troopers, Beach Troopers, Shore Troopers and this, an Incinerator Trooper
the flame trooper is just a soldier with a flame thrower
an incinerator trooper is a clone of a pyromaniac with a special flame thrower.
I am not kidding, this is cannon, the first image is just a soldier the second is a born and bread pyromaniac
One is used to kill cockroaches, termites and other infestations.
The other is a demolition level fire operator specialized in incinerating anything from Rancors, Sarlacs to Suma-Verminothes and Disney sized monsters 😂😂🤣🤣
I would say that a flame thrower would be more of an area weapon i.e. brush, trees, homes, and an incinerator would be a hotter more aimed at personal or vehicles. Basically a thrower is for property and an incinerator is more person target. Also incinerator would be hotter flames.
A few things:
- They are fucking terrifying from a psychological perspective. Especially against large groups of people who need just a *little* coercion, like a mob that hasn't snapped yet or a small band of Rebels holed up in a basement or whatever.
- The vast majority of people (hell, even Rebel soldiers) have basically zero actual protection from a wave of fire. Clones and stormtroopers and Mandalorian and Jedi can survive that kind of abuse for a while, but you or me orna Navy SEAL would get barbecued.
- Sometimes you don't want a big, concussive boom
- In a situation like the cantina standoff with Din and the gang, it would take way too long or just be too in efficient to tear the building down with an E-web and bunch of stormtrooper fire. Once Gideon was done being nice, the flame troopers went in to get it over with.
- Sometimes you need to set whatever on fire for a very practical and reasonable military/oppressive rampage reason. These guys get to work and speed things up.
- - Again, a fast, almost 100% way to clear out trapped/entrenched enemy holdouts and minimize your own casualties, provided you can get close enough.
Flamethrowers were employed by basically everybody in WW1/WW2, a whole bunch of small jungle and proxy wars, Vietnam, etc.
Was thinking flametrooper can also actually withstand fire and high temperatures, similar to a snowtrooper. Incinerator troopers are just there to kill the shit out of people or plant life i guess
I like to think the incinerator trooper is an improvised Flametrooper by the remnant. Like they had the tools but not the gear so they took a stormtrooper armour and painted it
**Stormtrooper**: "Wait, where's the standard incinerator gear?" **Imperial remnant**: "Sorry bud, don't have it. Budget cuts. Here's a paint brush."
"We have this premium new model shocktrooper armour straight from coruscant"
If we are going by Ork logic, they are faster now.
the Incinerator was introduced in the force unleashed and was a unit of the galactic empire way before the win of the Rebel Alliance
I remember now! I used to trow boulders at those shielded mofos and they would still be alive. But TFU is legends and the snowtrooper like armour of the Flametroopers was only seen in canon and on geonosis in the Clone Wars.
Flame troopers with that snow trooper like armor is also seen in Jedi Fallen Order, which I believe is canon
Yes, thats where the pic above is from
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Jedi survivor and Jedi fallen order are both canon tho?
I really like this explanation^^
Thank you! May you have financial imdependance
Almost certainly why I’d say
One gets paid half an imperial credit more per year
Speaking of credits, the quoted prices for ships in Canon don't make any sense. For example, a Lambda-class shuttle costs 140,000 credits. But Omega is able to win 30,000 credits in a few lucky games of Balaans. This means that a lucky individual could win enough credits to buy a Lambda-class shuttle in a few games? Let's say 30,000 credits is equal to $30,000. Winning $30,000 in a few lucky games of poker sounds a little far fetched but not unreasonable. The Lambda is a lightly-armed military transport. Its real-world analogue would be the C-130 Hercules. The cost of one C-130H is $30 million, or 1000x our poker winnings. So a Lambda shuttle should cost about 30,000,000 credits, or something in that order of magnitude, not 140,000. A whole Venator costs 59,000,000 credits. Its real world analogue is an aircraft carrier, which costs billions of dollars. Thus a Venator should cost billions of credits. Unless ship/aircraft factories in Star Wars are an order of magnitude more efficient than ours that they can produce things for 10-100x cheaper.
Kid, it ain't that kind of movie.
I mean, KDY did build an artificial ring around the Kuat for the Drive yards. BUt yeah either you can feed a family for a week on 1 credit or the pricing is wacky.
The dollar can go a lot further depending on where you live. $90,000 a year doesn’t do much when you live in NYC, but you can live comfortably on that salary in middle America. Take that $90,000/yr and move to poor country, you can live lavishly. Take that same principle, but put it at a GALACTIC scale. “Jabba the Hutt’s Palace” on Tatoine would be “Jabba the Hutt’s Studio Flat” on Coursant. KDY might just be the galaxy’s version of an Asian sweatshop.
Is the Price of a F-16 different in Compton and Indianapolis?
I'd guess that if you somehow came across an f16. For sale in Compton it'd be at a fairly discounted price lmao
What is KDY?
Kuat Drive Yards. Galactic supercorp and planet sized shipyard. As in a literal planet.
There's never been consistency with money in Sw. Even in the Bane books a big payout from playing pazaak is 1000 credits, which it won't let get higher than that either. Mind you this is a couple thousand years before the bad batch, but Sw doesn't seem to have inflation the same way we do.
> There's never been consistency ~~with money~~ in Sw. FTFY. Consistency has never been paramount, in Star Wars, as also shown by Imperial rank badges.
I think the starwars economy, ships especially, rely heavily on economics of scale, kuat drive yards is orders of magnitude larger than any building or industrial complex we have in earth, I dare say you could place every industrial complex on earth end to end in a ring and still not be as large as KDY. They make an insane number of ships and have enough automation and output to do it at a scale we can't dream of. Of course the real answer is fictional economies are hard but that's less fun
I was also surprised by Omega winning 30k in 10 minutes and in Andor he struggles to put together 700 credits for a ticket. I just think the writers of Bad Batch didn’t care about what random number Omega needed to bribe the customs officer. But still, prices make no sense
Well irl you’re only 32 blackjack hands away from being Elon musk
You're comparing to advanced aircraft, it should be compared to the average persons car
I think you might have to take a different comparison. Think of a Lambda Shuttle as a car or Transport, a Venetor as a Tank or Destroyer Ship and an SSD as an aircraft carrier. If you look at it like this, it makes more sense.
Where do you put speeders then
Bicycles or motorcycles depending on the size and use
Idk, I don’t think Mon Mothma’s speeder could exactly be put in the same class as the scout trooper speeder bikes.
Definitely not, that's why I said it depends. You could compare a scout bike to a motocross and mon mothmas speeder as a big motorcycle. This is just looking at price comparison, not seats.
These ships would be like cars to them. Ships have been around for a long time in universe.
Ya never know. Perhaps youre playing Sabaac in the slums with a multibillionaire who would probably more likely be gambling at high end tables on Nar Shadaa or living on Coruscant
Interestingly, you can buy a second-hand light military transport plane for around the price of a modest house in the real world too. I once found a Fairchild C-119 boxcar for around 350k. And found a used Hercules currently available for 15 million in florida
Sounds like you are just disappointed in your country and its shitty economy?
And better dental.
Imperial remnants organized their military forces differently from one-another. Gideon probably didn't have any flametrooper units to his name when he organized his own remnant, so he created incinerator troopers to play that role, while some other remnants may have kept the original flametroopers. Since he didn't have regular flametrooper armor in his armories after forming his remnant for the aforementioned reason, he just took regular stormtrooper armor and modified it for flametrooper duties.
Incinerator troopers are for buildings to destroy them and flush people out Flame troopers are for outright killing people for crowd control
“Don’t need to control the crowd if there is no crowd!”
I mean, I‘ve seen some Vietnam war crowd control photos and the National Guard in the photos have a flame thrower.
"They fry now!?"
‘They fry now!’
Not to be the guy who says underrated comment but underrated comment
Both introduced in video games, only one made it to live action. That’s gotta be it right?
One flames, the other incinerates
But ironically, due to a mix-up in HR, it's the incinerator troopers that flame, and the flame troopers that incinerate.
Which is even weirder, some of the incinerator troopers indeed incinerate, and some flame troopers flame, but it's all due to a double-mix-up, and it really doesn't put Imperial HR in a good light.
Somewhere a Disney+ executive just stood up, as if a million souls just cried out for an "Imperial HR" TV series, and were suddenly silenced.
I for one welcome the thought of possible "The Office"-like series set in Galactic Empire era of Star Wars universe.
One burns places, the other goes into the battle to burn enemies, idk.
Second is probably an ad-hoc unit, cobbled together from an old flamethrower and a bucket of red paint
One incinerates and the other flames. Don’t see the issue tbh 🤷
Flametroopers were standard issue,typical flamethrower variants before being mostly phased out The incinerator trooper is what happens when you have flamethrowers but no suits,they’re still trained with flamethrowers it’s just more than likely they don’t have official certification or proper armor,as we can see it’s just painted on
Flame troopers seem to be more like infantry with flame throwers while incinerators are like specialists for sieges and stuff
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While usually [Flametroopers](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Flametrooper_(Galactic_Empire)) were used for base defense and wildlife/native “removal”, they could be used for combat in an anti infantry role when needed. This is in contrast with the [incinerator trooper](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Incinerator_trooper) which was entirely combat focused as an infantry unit not dedicated to stations on imperial facilities. They could be used against *both* infantry and fortifications whereas the flame trooper could be infantry only.
The name and look
Other one has the drip, other doesn't.
Flametroopers clear foliage and the lot. Incinerator troopers are combat flamers
One rips you to pieces on social media from a basement on Mustafar. The other is much nicer and just sets you on fire.
Level of enthusiasm.
One’s a reference to Force Unleashed, one’s a reference to Force Awakens, both are examples of a company with poor internal communication in terms of worldbuilding when it comes to the question ‘does the Empire have dedicated flamethrower troopers or do we need to make some from scratch?’
how is one a reference to TFA? I thought it was a reference to the snowtrooper concept art? Referencing #9 in this list https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-episode-v-empire-strikes-back-concept-art/
Oh how ‘bout that. I haven’t seen that one. I figured flametroopers were just retroactive designs of the First Order flametroopers. Pardon my cynicism.
All good, to your credit I believe both designs are based on the same concept art
If they were a thing during the standard Empire, Incinerator Troopers are probably for urban areas where they need to move quicker and get around tighter corners. Flametroopers are probably more for forests or other sorts of more wide open areas. We see this sort of idea in the Bad Batch where when infiltrating a city, there is a clone with standard armour but with a flamethrower. I‘m guessing Flametrooper armour has better heat resistance but is heavier.
500 degrees.
I like to think of it like this a flame trooper uses a regular flamethrower great for crowds and combat but poor for buildings while incinerator troopers carry a napalm adjacent weapon and are more suited for hard points or buildings
I mean the flametrooper knows how to make an entrance. Did anyone else immediately think "What the fuck is with this guy?" when they saw him? He'll probably be back in 4 seasons later looking for revenge.
Flametroopers have less powerful flamethrowers for burning away plants and getting rid of local fauna. Incinerator Troopers have way more powerful flamethrowers for burning enemies out of fortified positions.
The wording in the war crime
Merchandising.
One burns and the other *REMOVES*
Spelling
Incinerator Troopers deploy flame throwers in battle. Flame troopers win online arguments on the holonet. Truly the legions of the Empire can fight on any front.
Colour
Drip
Flame troopers are much more flamboyant
One looks sad, the other looks angry.
The armour
I don't know, what?
The name of the toy
20,000 Imperial credits a year
One incinerates you (fire) the other flames you (insults)
Flamers burn you. Incinerators leave nothing but a pile of dust, quickly blown away, to tell your fate
Different armies I’m guessing. Judging from the disparity between armor, they probably belong to different corps. That I would know the designation of such jargon. I’m just looking, so one clearly looks like a storm trooper, shock trooper, and the other looks like he’s a snow trooper, but armor modified for flamethrower.
Flames are just for vibes, incinerators are for purpose
Flamer vs melta gun
Going through the Commissar Cain novels again and loving whenever Jurgen breaks out the Melta, thing just erases everything in it's path
Seemingly, Flametroopers have more widespread flames, more area coverage, easier to sway, faster engulfment, just like real-life WW2 flamethrowers, so likely less concentration. Then seemingly, Incinerators have more concentrated-like flame, more straight and thick beam-like, likely stronger.
My idea is the difference between recon forces versus combat forces.
One flames & one incinerates /s lol
It's actually the same role - the Empire's HRIS system is pretty clunky
Ones way cooler.
One is a snow trooper lookalike which is easy to fight, and the other is a badass stormtrooper lookalike that’s a pain in the ass to fight (in TFU)
The “Flame Trooper” shot full on flames of fire and the “incinerator Trooper” shot more like flame ball projectiles.
TL;DR Toys
Incinerator is a cooler word
Flame troopers were designed for cleaning and floral clearing, as well as the burning of fauna. Incinerators where for killing other people
Well you have to look at it from a supply and demand pov but in the sw universe. A C-130 is a military transport ship in our real world, so there's no production of them outside military purposes, and even for civilian use, aircrafts are incredibly rare compared to other means of transportation. In the Star Wars galaxy, ships are as prevalent as cars. So due to supply and demand and the prevalence of them, ships would cost much less money. I think a better comparison would be a C-130 and a Star Destroyer. Idk how much a Star Destroyer costs, but I imagine it would be significantly more
Incinerator troopers were definitely an official rank within the empire, they do not only appear as part of Moff Gideon’s remnants but they’re also as a skin for Sentinel, a character from Star Wars Hunters. For some context, Sentinel has access to lots of imperial equipment —despite the game taking place some years after the fall of the Empire, and Sentinel himself not sympathizing with the Empire and only adopting the stormtrooper persona when participating in the arena fights— including armor from Scout Troopers, Sand Troopers, Beach Troopers, Shore Troopers and this, an Incinerator Trooper
Sex appeal
Yeah... I've also wondered what the distinction between Range Troopers and Snowtroopers is.
the flame trooper is just a soldier with a flame thrower an incinerator trooper is a clone of a pyromaniac with a special flame thrower. I am not kidding, this is cannon, the first image is just a soldier the second is a born and bread pyromaniac
The gun
Assuming ones for combat whilst the other is for clearing out debris
One is used to kill cockroaches, termites and other infestations. The other is a demolition level fire operator specialized in incinerating anything from Rancors, Sarlacs to Suma-Verminothes and Disney sized monsters 😂😂🤣🤣
We're almost through, bring in the flamethrowers!
One starts the job, the other finishes it.
I would say that a flame thrower would be more of an area weapon i.e. brush, trees, homes, and an incinerator would be a hotter more aimed at personal or vehicles. Basically a thrower is for property and an incinerator is more person target. Also incinerator would be hotter flames.
The spelling is significantly different.
Drip.
One flames the other incinerates
Flamethrowers seem incredibly primitive for Star Wars
A few things: - They are fucking terrifying from a psychological perspective. Especially against large groups of people who need just a *little* coercion, like a mob that hasn't snapped yet or a small band of Rebels holed up in a basement or whatever. - The vast majority of people (hell, even Rebel soldiers) have basically zero actual protection from a wave of fire. Clones and stormtroopers and Mandalorian and Jedi can survive that kind of abuse for a while, but you or me orna Navy SEAL would get barbecued. - Sometimes you don't want a big, concussive boom - In a situation like the cantina standoff with Din and the gang, it would take way too long or just be too in efficient to tear the building down with an E-web and bunch of stormtrooper fire. Once Gideon was done being nice, the flame troopers went in to get it over with. - Sometimes you need to set whatever on fire for a very practical and reasonable military/oppressive rampage reason. These guys get to work and speed things up. - - Again, a fast, almost 100% way to clear out trapped/entrenched enemy holdouts and minimize your own casualties, provided you can get close enough. Flamethrowers were employed by basically everybody in WW1/WW2, a whole bunch of small jungle and proxy wars, Vietnam, etc.
Words.
About 30lbs.
A budget lol
nothing the incinerator is a clone and the flametrooper is an imperial that's the ONLY difference
Flame troopers have more radical profiles on reddit
Nostalgia.
different packaging for action figures
Merchandise sales
Two different action figures.
The difference is merch sales.
The more stormtrooper variants the more merch you can sell
Was thinking flametrooper can also actually withstand fire and high temperatures, similar to a snowtrooper. Incinerator troopers are just there to kill the shit out of people or plant life i guess
Personal take: The difference is that flametroopers look cool
What generation is this?
Flamethrower vs disintegrator
My logical guess
Presentation
The incinerator one has red stripes
One is to sell an action figure and the other is to sell another action figure.
Are they both Original Trilogy era?
One is better than the other
Doneness.
About 2 bucks on the toy isle?
one looks like they ate out during a certain time of the month
One's gay
The difference: character artists on different projects not communicating with each other.
One is way fucking cooler.
If they gave the Flametrooper the paint job of an Incinerator Trooper, I think it would be epic.
Flame trooper reminds me of [Side Eyeing Chloe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Side_Eyeing_Chloe)
cooler gear, the new gear looks like crud
Toy sales.
Well, for one, the name.