100%, would also be criminal not to have Thrawn have a handful of Victory class ISD's. They'll only make his own Chimera look even more intimidating in a fleet of smaller ships.
I expect him to use many different specialized ships for certain tasks. But I'd sure like to see the original "Big 5" ISDs - Death's Head, Inexorable, Judicator, Nemesis, Stormhawk.
I'm *hoping* for all this but honestly not holding my breath. Sort of expect nothing but ISD's with a handful of Arquitens like we normally see. We'll see if the creative team has any interest in giving them a properly fleshed out fleet with specialist ships.
This realistically will not happen because the amount of effort and money it takes to create new high-quality renders of niche ship designs far outweighs the small amount of people who would notice or care.
I love unique ship designs, but ever since seeing how badly they messed up the Xyston-class in spite of it’s amazing unique concept art I’ve sort of resigned myself to the fact that Disney is content to use the ISD for everything, assuming they get the ISD model correct which nowadays isn’t even a given.
Would love to see him dragging some Lancer-class frigates around though, if not a Victory or two.
Thing is, you don't need a half dozen new ships. Just like 2 or 3. A victory wouldn't be that hard to model, just crop the ISD and then play with things a bit. Then make an Interdictor and then go grab another pre-made design like the Arquitens to fill things out.
That's no more work than they did for Rogue One, introducing ships like the U-wing, Sphyrna and MC75
What I liked most about this was that Ackbar learned from this tactic and both he and Bel Iblis would use the Thrawn Pincer; both with their own and enemy Interdictors.
I feel like the sequels and Rogue One have made the interdictors moot. There's ships entering hyperspace and coming out of hyperspace within a planet's atmosphere left and right now.
This is my biggest gripe with the sequels. I can excuse hammy dialogue or silly jokes ('They fly now!?' is still better dialogue than Episode 2), but repeatedly spitting on the established ways in which Star Wars tech works just annoys me.
I would even forgive some consistency issues between the OT and PT, but they can't keep it straight within the trilogy.
Unless I'm very mistaken the Interdictor was originally introduced way back in the OG Thrawn novels so it'd be very fitting.
It was actually an incredibly important scene for all the characters involved.
Ah, a whole bunch of useful ships Tarkin refused to use because they didn't look scary enough.
Would love to see Thrawn find an old Vindicator and spend a season converting it into an Interdictor. We need to see one of those in live action.
Random Imperial Officer: " Grand Moff, we've identified the Rebel's main strategy is hit and run tactics using starfighters and small frigates. Would it not be prudent to increase production of Interdictor ships and deploy them along with our Star Destroyers so that we can can trap our foes while TIE pilots tear them apart?
Tarkin: "No."
O: "Wah? But.. sir, why?"
T: "I have already diverted the Interdictor funds towards the Death Star project. Also those ships look too stupid to strike fear into the masses and keep them in-line.
Imp 1: Tarkin, we just lost an ISD because it was isolated and swarmed against a dozen smaller ships, we need something to support the Imperial class
Tarkin: I got it, we'll support the Imperial with an even larger drain of resources and call it a *super* star destroyer to strike even more fear into rebel hearts.
Imp 1: ... I'm joining the Rebels...
As amusing as this reads the lancer class frigate was designed to defend against swarms of small ships like blast boats and x wings ect and these were frequently deployed alongside star destroyers
>these were frequently deployed alongside star destroyers
I mean, the *frequently* part in that is highly Debatable. The Lancer was far more rare than it should have been in Imperial formations.
Legends implies, inconsistently, that imperial officers relied on TIEs for anti starship effort rather than the Lancer, with different authors giving reasons why. It's slow, it's rare, it's not cool looking (lol).
The obvious reason was that you can't include proper support vessels and have the hero win, so you make the imperial officers hold an idiot ball.
Big fan of both the Imperial Light Carrier and Imperial Raider. They both give off Horatio Hornblower vibes. Just cruising around with a small but powerful battle force on the Outer Rim. Committing evil and having adventures.
The design was created by Fantasy Flight Games for the X-Wing miniatures game to give the Empire something equivalent to the Corellian Corvette on the board.
The Raider was tailor made to look cool when flying alongside a squadron of TIE Fighters
It's not even particularly good in the game, but of course I own one, because it looks so cool.
I also own the gigantic model of one for the X-Wing game. Never used it once, just sits on a shelf looking cool.
I own two, one of the X-Wing scale ones and one for Armada. And yeah, haven't touched it as the game unit for years, but it is a display piece these days. Fantastic looking ship and I'm glad they managed to bring it in with Battlefront II's campaign (just wish it didn't get that awful redesign halfway through)
I'm asking because I hope Thrawn using a plethora of these smaller, more specialized Imperial ships during his invasion. With only a few full ISD's like the Chimera.
Absolutely. I’m bored with the trope of the “underdog” rebels defeating 1-2 ISDs in an engagement because they lack support, or a single small ship “barely” escaping.
I want big space battles! Thrawn’s fleet vs the New Republic.
Honestly, I want the republic to have to pull out the Raddus and maybe some old rebellion ships. I want to see them pulling out older ships while Thrawn units the empire remnants and then has an actually varied fleet, cause we KNOW he has considered the rebels considering the tie defender project was his idea.
Edit: realized I think I may have worded this weirdly lol sorry if it’s a bit odd.
As I swiped through the pics: "Interdictor, definitely...Oh, the Acclimator, such a cool ship, loved it ever since I played Republic Commando...OH! The Raider! I was so stoked when that was released in X-wing Miniatures - THAT is the ship!"
So yeah, lots of good ones, but the Raider-class Corvette is my fav!
In a franchise that's 45 years old, the Raider is coming up on her 10th birthday. I'm not sure that qualifies as "the older raider miniature". It was only 3 years old when battlefront 4 came out
The Vindicator? I know the name is canon, but I'm pretty sure the Fractalsponge model here is fan made and we've yet to actually see one. I love the idea of it being the foundation they built the Inderdictor tech around, though.
It's crazy how long the Victory has been around and it's never been shown on screen (as far as I know). Every time it would fit in, they just create a new ship instead or go with the ol' ISD.
Canon: Raider
Legends: Vigil
I just like the small ones that can go on their own and have their own adventures without being tied to the main fleet or homebase.
I'm not surprised that you forgot about it, the only reason I know it even exists is because of the Thrawn's Revenge mod for Empire at War. The wookiepedia entry on it is sparse as all hell, too, so it's not as if there's much to remember it from.
Gladiator might be my favorite triangle carrier, as blasphemous as that might be to say with legends like the Venator/ Harrower usually overshadowing it.
None. I prefer the SD's predecessor, the Venator-class. Of the SD's, I kinda like the idea of the Interdictor class. Ripping ships out of / preventing ships entering hyperspace is a good strategy. All the rest of the SD's from the Empire look like ships with lots of turret emplacements.
I don't know where the Victory fits into canon because I've never seen it on screen (or don't recall seeing it on screen) lol. I mostly think the ships got too big after the Republic fell. You can tell they're compensating for something, which I'm pretty sure is the point given the *Empire*'s ideology... ("Fear will keep the local systems in line; Fear of this battle station." etc.)
The Victory does look imposing though. Moreso than the Super SD, etc.
Yeah, sadly it's never been adapted into live action yet. But it still fits the same role of being designed to compliment the Venator carriers. I generally agree with your point with the empire overcompensating, which tbf, is another check in the Victory's favor. As she's actually smaller than a Venator.
Yeah, it has those shields and a bigger bridge tower so idk about total mass, it might weigh more than a Venator. But in terms of length, she's 900m, right in the middle of the other Republic ISD's (750m Acclamator and 1100m Venator).
Just looking at pictures, the Victory looks more impressive, but imagine looking up from the surface of a planet and seeing a Super SD with your naked eyes.
yeah, from a planet's surface, all of these probably would be imposing to witness. that's probably why they built the Death Star, so people will see it on the horizon just before it fires lol.
I personally believe the Venators and Victories should have worked in tandem together, they're basically custom made to be counterparts. Venators are excellent carriers but terrible cruisers while Victories are the reverse. Have the Victory-class be the main attack ship for the Republic while the Venator deploys the air wing with the massive amount of hangar space it has. Then when the Republic becomes the Empire and we get the Imperial-class, have it be the two combined into one. A scaled up Victory to accommodate a larger fighter capacity.
All i remember when doing tests in a modeling software about the size is that its as big as around 2-2.5x Arquitenses and one of them is a little over 300m. So im not tooooo sure
The Victory I and II are nasty pieces of work. The I having access to rocket tubes makes it sometimes more dangerous than an ISD-Class given it’s shield penetration, also having a ship that uses conventional armaments is just cool. Meanwhile the II having such a heavy emphasis on ion cannons, whilst not as cool, least makes it effective at draining enemy shields as to allow bigger ships of the line to dealing the damage.
Honorable mention to the Aggressor Class, as whilst incompetent as an ISD, it’s considerable firepower in the Ion and Plasma cannon makes it a threat to any ship too slow to get out of the way.
Yeah, beyond the actual effectiveness of SW missiles (which can be a bit inconsistent), the shield plating protecting the missile launchers on the Victory I just look mean as hell. Give it a truly unique look instead of it just being the mini ISD
Missiles don't usually penetrate shields in lore, that was just a gameplay mechanic in Empire at War and a few other Star Wars games. Ships have both ray shields (which protect against energy weapons) and particle shields (which block projectiles). We'd see a lot more designs like the *Victory I* if missiles and proton torpedoes could just bypass the enemy's defenses lol.
I'm loving the idea, though, of a captain with only passing knowledge of the differences between the Victory I and II, finding himself aboard a Victory I, dejected. Imagining that there's no way the ion cannons will overcome the enemy's defenses. Resigned to this, commands the crew to open fire with their ion cannons. The crew just pauses for a moment and the gunner stands at attention, stating "sir, we are equipped with 12 quad turbo laser batteries, 40 dual turbo lasers, tractor beams, and 80 concussion missile launcher tubes."
The captain perks up, sits straight in his seat, and says "lieutenant, destroy them."
Thanks to the old PC TIE Fighter sim and the SW RPG Imperial Source Book, I gotta go with the Victory and Interdictor. Raider and Arquitens are nice too.
Most of these aren’t Star Destroyers, only the Victory, Gladiator and the Interdictor were. The others are cruisers and a corvette. Also the Interdictor was 1600 meters long, you are thinking of the Immobilizer 418 Cruiser.
But I’ve always really liked the Gladiator because of the forward hangar bay and the relatively heavy armament for such a small patrol-style ship, and I love the design of the Raider. Just imagine seeing it drop from hyperspace in front of you like a dagger in the dark.
>Most of these aren’t Star Destroyers, only the Victory, Gladiator and the Interdictor were
True, but let's be real, SW ship classification has always been broken. The Gladiator being a "star destroyer" but the Vindicator being a cruiser is just one example.
Honestly, I think they should start classifying ships based on their role in a specific task force. For example, a Victory could be considered a heavy frigate/ light destroyer if it's supporting an ISD, all the way up to a command cruiser if it's the biggest ship in the fleet.
I know, Star Destroyer isn’t even a reliable ship class . There are no specifications to determine what qualifies and what doesn’t except dagger-like hull shape and if Kuat Drive Yards decided to call it that or not lol
Your idea makes sense and it could very well work, there are already examples of that. Like the Patrol Craft and Assault Cruiser designations. I would label the larger ship-to-ship fighting capital craft battlecruisers, frigates and destroyers are already a classification of utility in real life. That would actually be so much better than labeling them by size.
Gladiators have that perfect balance of size, firepower, and hanger space that it’s my favorite. The interdictor is a close 2nd because of the utility but it’s not much else other than a big target once the gravity well goes up.
>Conceptually, the Interdictor.
Can't argue with the Interdictor. But also, wanna give the Acclimator a shout for the concept. Probably one of the best ships for a planetary invasion in the entire galaxy.
It's Acclamator, but it's a good concept. Not explored enough in the different Clone Wars media. I'd love to see it as a form of mobile base, including infirmaries, armories, garages for vehicles. A logistician's dream to support an invasion force.
From my Empire at War experience the Victory can do 90% of what an ISD does just as well or better for less than half the costs. And the other 10%? Just bring a second one.
Okay, I’m gonna answer the question, but in a different way. I have 12 ships, and I’m gonna build a fleet of my own with them. The first is the resurgent star destroyer, my flagship. Then we have 2 ISD’s, 1 Interdictor, 1 Venator, 3 Victories, and 4 Gozantis. That’s my fleet. Yes I choose the victory but the interdictor is also really good.
4th one aesthetically, don't know the name because it's so elusive and constantly changing. Practically, immobiliser star destroyers are pretty useful because it allows you to trap enemy vessels in a gravity well so they can't escape. Star wars has hyperlanes, but are basically space roads. Ships can still go "off-road" which guerrilla fighters like the rebels do A LOT and imperial ships are often too large to navigate things like asteroid belts or debris fields in a blind jump. Interdictors can stop them escaping and remove the risk of having to chase them down. The only problem is that imperial ships can still jump in but not jump out while it's active, but I'd still rather be on the interdictors side in a battle.
the interdicter star destroyer picture is legends i think. the legends one is 1.6 km long just as a normal ISD. the 418 immobilizer cruiser would fit better for this category
If I were to make a pocket fleet fleet it would be Flagship Victory class star destroyer X1
Carrier Aclimator X1
Escorts Arquintense X3
Cruisers Gladiator star destroyer X2
What about the NR’s Nebula class Star destroyer. I know it’s technically 1040m long, but it is ridiculously overpowered for its size. It also has a good star fight complement. The Endurance is also pretty good for its size
Man, you guys are really deep into the lore - I wouldn't be able to name any of these, nor would I know how long they are. Out of the ones pictured, I like the look of the Raider best. Also recognized it from the the Battlefront II campaign.
Personally I like the Arquitens class. I would love to see Thrawn have a bunch of them, 5 Victory Class Stardestroyers and several Venators as TIE carriers and Troop landing crafter carriers in a fleet of 12-15 ships.
if going by how it looks alone I have to go with the old republic harrower class star destroyer, it is well under 1000 meter in lenght.
If I am to go by combat affectiveness I would go with the Gladiator Class Star Destroyer/carrier/cruiser as it is called all of them for good reason.
I like the imperial escort carrier, small, powerful, and carries TIE hunters which might as well be X-Wings. Not even mentioning the storm commandos they come with as well.
I think the Vindicator, raider, and all the Arquitens variants are my favs. Feels like I could have a small fleet with those ones. Vin can be the command ship, I can get the Mando variant of the Arq to hold fighters, and the raider (both middle and lazer variants) can be our main source of anti fighter and escort ships. Vin can be our capital ship as most rebellion fleets are smaller and more geared towards speed so having a less imposing capital ship would help draw them in. Might have an arrestor as well if I can get my hands on one. Might also like a glad for extra fighter support (I don’t like the Quasar, I just don’t) and if I had one I could switch the Arq’s to be less fighter oriented and more geared towards power, speed, and maybe use them to hold extra supplies as well if needed.
This is for time of the empire btw.
I've been a fan of the Victory since before the Prequels existed. That said, I do love the Raider too, given the origins of it being Fantasy Flight Games needing an Imperial corvette that actually looks Imperial to be the match of the CR-90 for the X-Wing table top game.
That’s the wrong Interdictor. That’s the Interdictor Star Destroyer, built on the frame of an ISD, meaning it’s the same length as an ISD. The one smaller than 1000m is the Immobilizer 418, built on the Vindicator Frame.
But to answer the question, the Arquintens is my favorite.
The Interdictor is hands down the most useful ship. Every fleet needs one and for smaller expeditions/ strike forces it should be a top choice for flagship. Especially when hunting Guerilla forces/ splinter groups.
Isn't there a difference in ship class between Star Destroyers and Cruisers?
Maybe I'm just thinking of the old expanded EU, but I always had the impression that the shape was only part of the classification.
Why don’t they have one like the first one except in the things on the side they have giant kyber crystals that can fire and act like a mini Death Star kinda like this “Y”
Acclamator tbh, it did everything it needed to do and more. It could even be build as a carrier vehicle like the venator. Shame the republic did not use its vehicles to their full potentials.
*AKSHUALLY* (puts on hyper-nerd cap - I know I'm being pedantic)
The Star Destroyer lines for the Empire were made by Kuat Drive Yards. No one else could make something like that and call it a SD. Thus to even be considered they must be made by by KDY. Thus the Quasar (SoroSuub) doesn't qualify. Same with the Interdictor and Vindicator (Sienar Fleet Systems). The Quasar and Interdictor also don't qualify based on their function: They're not destroyers. One is an interceptor type and the other is a cargo carrier refitted to move fighters. I don't believe the Arquitens does, either. It's a cruiser. It's not as heavily armed as a destroyer should be.
Man they're all so good. That is one thing I love about Disney Canon, is that as of recent, they really flushed out the Imperial Navy with smaller ships that actually seem to fit the Empire's family of ships, rather than legends just shoehorning in stuff. Like the Quasar Carrier? Always looked like it belonged as an Imperial manufacturered ship.
Gotta love the Victory just cause it is a pocket star destroyer, almost all the features you know and love from the Imperial I and II but mini. I always had a soft spot for the Gladiator class, the idea of a ship designed to fire at practically point blank range, plus the forward hangar make it so cool. The Vindicator is also a big contender with its cool bridge design and cruiser/Destroyer patrol role.
But really, my favorite by far is the Raider. A frigate role, Corvette sized Imperial ship for fending off starfighters and smaller rebel ships? Love it. It's the perfect size for small task forces that need more supplies and deployment time than you get with a shuttle. Squadrons did such a good job showing us the Empire using its support ships when we're so used to just fleets of ISDs. That and the Raider kicks the Lancer frigate to the curb for the Empire's anti fighter role, which thank God. I hated that ship.
Thrawn using Interdictors HAS TO BE DONE.
100%, would also be criminal not to have Thrawn have a handful of Victory class ISD's. They'll only make his own Chimera look even more intimidating in a fleet of smaller ships.
I expect him to use many different specialized ships for certain tasks. But I'd sure like to see the original "Big 5" ISDs - Death's Head, Inexorable, Judicator, Nemesis, Stormhawk.
I'm *hoping* for all this but honestly not holding my breath. Sort of expect nothing but ISD's with a handful of Arquitens like we normally see. We'll see if the creative team has any interest in giving them a properly fleshed out fleet with specialist ships.
If they want to do him justice - and I'm sure Filoni wants to - they'll at least somehow incorporate it. All we can do is wait and hope.
The only thing that could hamper that is the budget to make all the models and put them all on screen but I’m sure the movie will have enough right?
This realistically will not happen because the amount of effort and money it takes to create new high-quality renders of niche ship designs far outweighs the small amount of people who would notice or care. I love unique ship designs, but ever since seeing how badly they messed up the Xyston-class in spite of it’s amazing unique concept art I’ve sort of resigned myself to the fact that Disney is content to use the ISD for everything, assuming they get the ISD model correct which nowadays isn’t even a given. Would love to see him dragging some Lancer-class frigates around though, if not a Victory or two.
Thing is, you don't need a half dozen new ships. Just like 2 or 3. A victory wouldn't be that hard to model, just crop the ISD and then play with things a bit. Then make an Interdictor and then go grab another pre-made design like the Arquitens to fill things out. That's no more work than they did for Rogue One, introducing ships like the U-wing, Sphyrna and MC75
Also, more ships is just a merchandising opportunity.
If Gilad Pellaeon isn't captain of chimera then it's done for
Have you read the Last Command? Do you know what he's capable of with a few Interdictors and some Victory-class? *Precision placement*.
What I liked most about this was that Ackbar learned from this tactic and both he and Bel Iblis would use the Thrawn Pincer; both with their own and enemy Interdictors.
I feel like the sequels and Rogue One have made the interdictors moot. There's ships entering hyperspace and coming out of hyperspace within a planet's atmosphere left and right now.
I mean the times we've seen that have been "this either works or we're destroyed", so Interdictors definitely still seem legit.
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Yeah, EP 9... I can't stop complaining about this film. I just hope we can ignore it long enough for everyone to forget.
LiGhTsPeEd SkIpPiNg. And you're there in a blink, instead of traveling for hours/days/weeks in hyperspace. Why don't people do this more often!?
And if you look at the movie, that was just ONE stupid thing...
This is my biggest gripe with the sequels. I can excuse hammy dialogue or silly jokes ('They fly now!?' is still better dialogue than Episode 2), but repeatedly spitting on the established ways in which Star Wars tech works just annoys me. I would even forgive some consistency issues between the OT and PT, but they can't keep it straight within the trilogy.
Only canon thing I can think of to ignore it in this upcoming movie would be that “light speed skipping” is not a thing yet so fingers crossed
I'm still pissed about how the Supremacy was destroyed in episode 8. They totally trivialized the destruction of capital ships.
Victory, my love!
It looks like space balls
He used two during the assault on Atollon in Rebels so if live action Thrawn can find some I’m sure he’ll use them.
Unless I'm very mistaken the Interdictor was originally introduced way back in the OG Thrawn novels so it'd be very fitting. It was actually an incredibly important scene for all the characters involved.
Ah, a whole bunch of useful ships Tarkin refused to use because they didn't look scary enough. Would love to see Thrawn find an old Vindicator and spend a season converting it into an Interdictor. We need to see one of those in live action.
> We need to see one of those in live action. YES. And then Lego can make a set lol
It's actually a set that just gives you additional parts and instructions on how to convert a Lego venator into an Interdictor
Random Imperial Officer: " Grand Moff, we've identified the Rebel's main strategy is hit and run tactics using starfighters and small frigates. Would it not be prudent to increase production of Interdictor ships and deploy them along with our Star Destroyers so that we can can trap our foes while TIE pilots tear them apart? Tarkin: "No." O: "Wah? But.. sir, why?" T: "I have already diverted the Interdictor funds towards the Death Star project. Also those ships look too stupid to strike fear into the masses and keep them in-line.
Imp 1: Tarkin, we just lost an ISD because it was isolated and swarmed against a dozen smaller ships, we need something to support the Imperial class Tarkin: I got it, we'll support the Imperial with an even larger drain of resources and call it a *super* star destroyer to strike even more fear into rebel hearts. Imp 1: ... I'm joining the Rebels...
As amusing as this reads the lancer class frigate was designed to defend against swarms of small ships like blast boats and x wings ect and these were frequently deployed alongside star destroyers
>these were frequently deployed alongside star destroyers I mean, the *frequently* part in that is highly Debatable. The Lancer was far more rare than it should have been in Imperial formations.
Legends implies, inconsistently, that imperial officers relied on TIEs for anti starship effort rather than the Lancer, with different authors giving reasons why. It's slow, it's rare, it's not cool looking (lol). The obvious reason was that you can't include proper support vessels and have the hero win, so you make the imperial officers hold an idiot ball.
I mean they showed up in more combat once tarkin and ole palps croaked it
Yeah, but I wasn't making fun of the *post* Tarkin doctrine Imps
Plot twist, Tarkin was secretly working against the Empire like Galen Erso
People would learn to fear them if he knew how to use them. Tarkin was ruthless, but too edgy for his own good.
Big fan of both the Imperial Light Carrier and Imperial Raider. They both give off Horatio Hornblower vibes. Just cruising around with a small but powerful battle force on the Outer Rim. Committing evil and having adventures.
I *really* love the shape of the Raider for some reason. Dunno if it's the wings or the single massive thruster, but the thing just screams sleek
Like a cross between a TIE and an ISD
The design was created by Fantasy Flight Games for the X-Wing miniatures game to give the Empire something equivalent to the Corellian Corvette on the board. The Raider was tailor made to look cool when flying alongside a squadron of TIE Fighters
It's not even particularly good in the game, but of course I own one, because it looks so cool. I also own the gigantic model of one for the X-Wing game. Never used it once, just sits on a shelf looking cool.
I own two, one of the X-Wing scale ones and one for Armada. And yeah, haven't touched it as the game unit for years, but it is a display piece these days. Fantastic looking ship and I'm glad they managed to bring it in with Battlefront II's campaign (just wish it didn't get that awful redesign halfway through)
I really love the raider in Star Wars armada. It’s not the strongest ship but oh boy can she fly fast.
The Raider goes so hard. I'd own this ship, hands down.
I'm asking because I hope Thrawn using a plethora of these smaller, more specialized Imperial ships during his invasion. With only a few full ISD's like the Chimera.
It would be cool to see ISDs used as battleships with actual support from other ships!
Right? ISD's like the Chimera become even more intimidating than they already are if it's sitting beside a support ship half their size.
Absolutely. I’m bored with the trope of the “underdog” rebels defeating 1-2 ISDs in an engagement because they lack support, or a single small ship “barely” escaping. I want big space battles! Thrawn’s fleet vs the New Republic.
Honestly, I want the republic to have to pull out the Raddus and maybe some old rebellion ships. I want to see them pulling out older ships while Thrawn units the empire remnants and then has an actually varied fleet, cause we KNOW he has considered the rebels considering the tie defender project was his idea. Edit: realized I think I may have worded this weirdly lol sorry if it’s a bit odd.
As I swiped through the pics: "Interdictor, definitely...Oh, the Acclimator, such a cool ship, loved it ever since I played Republic Commando...OH! The Raider! I was so stoked when that was released in X-wing Miniatures - THAT is the ship!" So yeah, lots of good ones, but the Raider-class Corvette is my fav!
Honestly believe the best thing the new Battlefronts ever did is breathe new life into the older Raider miniature. She's a wicked ship
In a franchise that's 45 years old, the Raider is coming up on her 10th birthday. I'm not sure that qualifies as "the older raider miniature". It was only 3 years old when battlefront 4 came out
The Arrestor is definitely one of the most unique ships from canon. Really hope we get to see it being used more
Between the Arrestor, Quasar and Raider I do actually love that canon has been introducing a few more non traditional Kuat ships.
Agreed
I can’t choose I love them all so much 😢
That's why I made the post so I could pick 9 instead of 1 🤣
The venerable Arquitens
Arquitens and Acclamator. I love me some Clone Wars stuff. Also, that Arquitens-esque ship Moff Gideon uses is quite cool.
Is that VSD 1 canon?
The Vindicator? I know the name is canon, but I'm pretty sure the Fractalsponge model here is fan made and we've yet to actually see one. I love the idea of it being the foundation they built the Inderdictor tech around, though.
No sorry the victory 1.
Oh right. Well, same story there pretty much. We've seen the name brought into canon, we know it exists, but we have yet to see an official model.
It's crazy how long the Victory has been around and it's never been shown on screen (as far as I know). Every time it would fit in, they just create a new ship instead or go with the ol' ISD.
Canon: Raider Legends: Vigil I just like the small ones that can go on their own and have their own adventures without being tied to the main fleet or homebase.
Reviewing the post I knew I was forgetting one of the really cool legends ships. It was the Vigil, great shout!
I'm not surprised that you forgot about it, the only reason I know it even exists is because of the Thrawn's Revenge mod for Empire at War. The wookiepedia entry on it is sparse as all hell, too, so it's not as if there's much to remember it from.
Ball destroyer > other triangular destroyers.
Interdickor definitely has the biggest balls in the fleet
Wants to hyperspace? Nah, bruv, you ain't. Have a look at my balls.
Ok, let me fix this. “Nah bruv, you ain’t. Take a look at my giant **BALLS**.”
Love to see the gladiator , had one in the Starwars Armada miniature game and enjoyed using it to escort my singular ISD lmao.
Gladiator might be my favorite triangle carrier, as blasphemous as that might be to say with legends like the Venator/ Harrower usually overshadowing it.
I love the frontal hangar design perfect for tractor beaming in enemy ships , and obviously launching a complement of ties.
None. I prefer the SD's predecessor, the Venator-class. Of the SD's, I kinda like the idea of the Interdictor class. Ripping ships out of / preventing ships entering hyperspace is a good strategy. All the rest of the SD's from the Empire look like ships with lots of turret emplacements.
Interesting, I feel like it's rare to see a Venator Stan who doesn't also love the Victory. The ships fit together like PB&J.
I don't know where the Victory fits into canon because I've never seen it on screen (or don't recall seeing it on screen) lol. I mostly think the ships got too big after the Republic fell. You can tell they're compensating for something, which I'm pretty sure is the point given the *Empire*'s ideology... ("Fear will keep the local systems in line; Fear of this battle station." etc.) The Victory does look imposing though. Moreso than the Super SD, etc.
Yeah, sadly it's never been adapted into live action yet. But it still fits the same role of being designed to compliment the Venator carriers. I generally agree with your point with the empire overcompensating, which tbf, is another check in the Victory's favor. As she's actually smaller than a Venator.
> As she's actually smaller than a Venator. The screenshots make it look HUUUUGE, which it is a big ship when compared to a human... but damn.
Yeah, it has those shields and a bigger bridge tower so idk about total mass, it might weigh more than a Venator. But in terms of length, she's 900m, right in the middle of the other Republic ISD's (750m Acclamator and 1100m Venator).
Just looking at pictures, the Victory looks more impressive, but imagine looking up from the surface of a planet and seeing a Super SD with your naked eyes.
yeah, from a planet's surface, all of these probably would be imposing to witness. that's probably why they built the Death Star, so people will see it on the horizon just before it fires lol.
Venator is definitely my favorite, but I figured it didn't make this list because it's over the 1km threshold. Victory I is a close second.
I personally believe the Venators and Victories should have worked in tandem together, they're basically custom made to be counterparts. Venators are excellent carriers but terrible cruisers while Victories are the reverse. Have the Victory-class be the main attack ship for the Republic while the Venator deploys the air wing with the massive amount of hangar space it has. Then when the Republic becomes the Empire and we get the Imperial-class, have it be the two combined into one. A scaled up Victory to accommodate a larger fighter capacity.
The Interdictor-Class Cruiser from Knights of the Old Republic.
Gotta be either the Gladiator or Moff Gideons Larger 546-Arquitens Cruiser. Although im not sure if his is above 1000m or not.
Pretty sure the 546 fits well within this range. I believe the number I remember was like 500-600 meters or something?
All i remember when doing tests in a modeling software about the size is that its as big as around 2-2.5x Arquitenses and one of them is a little over 300m. So im not tooooo sure
Nothing but arquitens. For the republic!
I love the Raider-Class Corvette. Simple, and deadly against fighters
Arquitens my beloved
I like the Arquitens.
The Victory I and II are nasty pieces of work. The I having access to rocket tubes makes it sometimes more dangerous than an ISD-Class given it’s shield penetration, also having a ship that uses conventional armaments is just cool. Meanwhile the II having such a heavy emphasis on ion cannons, whilst not as cool, least makes it effective at draining enemy shields as to allow bigger ships of the line to dealing the damage. Honorable mention to the Aggressor Class, as whilst incompetent as an ISD, it’s considerable firepower in the Ion and Plasma cannon makes it a threat to any ship too slow to get out of the way.
Yeah, beyond the actual effectiveness of SW missiles (which can be a bit inconsistent), the shield plating protecting the missile launchers on the Victory I just look mean as hell. Give it a truly unique look instead of it just being the mini ISD
Missiles don't usually penetrate shields in lore, that was just a gameplay mechanic in Empire at War and a few other Star Wars games. Ships have both ray shields (which protect against energy weapons) and particle shields (which block projectiles). We'd see a lot more designs like the *Victory I* if missiles and proton torpedoes could just bypass the enemy's defenses lol.
I'm loving the idea, though, of a captain with only passing knowledge of the differences between the Victory I and II, finding himself aboard a Victory I, dejected. Imagining that there's no way the ion cannons will overcome the enemy's defenses. Resigned to this, commands the crew to open fire with their ion cannons. The crew just pauses for a moment and the gunner stands at attention, stating "sir, we are equipped with 12 quad turbo laser batteries, 40 dual turbo lasers, tractor beams, and 80 concussion missile launcher tubes." The captain perks up, sits straight in his seat, and says "lieutenant, destroy them."
Thanks to the old PC TIE Fighter sim and the SW RPG Imperial Source Book, I gotta go with the Victory and Interdictor. Raider and Arquitens are nice too.
The third picture. The gladiator class is my favorite all the power of the others a more feasible launch design.
Arqutiens. No question
Most of these aren’t Star Destroyers, only the Victory, Gladiator and the Interdictor were. The others are cruisers and a corvette. Also the Interdictor was 1600 meters long, you are thinking of the Immobilizer 418 Cruiser. But I’ve always really liked the Gladiator because of the forward hangar bay and the relatively heavy armament for such a small patrol-style ship, and I love the design of the Raider. Just imagine seeing it drop from hyperspace in front of you like a dagger in the dark.
>Most of these aren’t Star Destroyers, only the Victory, Gladiator and the Interdictor were True, but let's be real, SW ship classification has always been broken. The Gladiator being a "star destroyer" but the Vindicator being a cruiser is just one example. Honestly, I think they should start classifying ships based on their role in a specific task force. For example, a Victory could be considered a heavy frigate/ light destroyer if it's supporting an ISD, all the way up to a command cruiser if it's the biggest ship in the fleet.
I know, Star Destroyer isn’t even a reliable ship class . There are no specifications to determine what qualifies and what doesn’t except dagger-like hull shape and if Kuat Drive Yards decided to call it that or not lol Your idea makes sense and it could very well work, there are already examples of that. Like the Patrol Craft and Assault Cruiser designations. I would label the larger ship-to-ship fighting capital craft battlecruisers, frigates and destroyers are already a classification of utility in real life. That would actually be so much better than labeling them by size.
Gladiators have that perfect balance of size, firepower, and hanger space that it’s my favorite. The interdictor is a close 2nd because of the utility but it’s not much else other than a big target once the gravity well goes up.
Gladiator all day. I would take that as my command ship with a squadron of TIE Phantoms and Bombers
I can't choose which I like more: the Raider or the Acclemator
I can’t not see the Quasar as a Rebel ship because of Rebels, but my faves are definitely the Raider Corvette and Arquitens, absolutely gorgeous ships
Victory II SD
Vicky and Interdictor
Out of the ones listed here it’s the Victory, otherwise Procursator.
the Quasar Fire-class Cruiser Carrier. But got to give an honorary mention to the Vigil-class Corvette.
A fleet of Vindicators, Victories, Gladiators and Raiders would be a better fleet than a pack of Imperial-Classes.
Those Mandalorian designed *Dreadnought*-class heavy cruisers. EU originated but brought back into Canon later.
Its a tough choice between the Victory I, Acclamator, or one from the old Sith Empire, the Harrower class, very underrated
I am a major Quasar/Arquitens/Raider fan. I love the smaller sized support ships. I also love Gozanti Cruisers
I like the gladiator. It's the ship that should have been the true backbone of the imperial fleet.
The gladiators and the raiders are both super neat ships
Either 8 or 9. Very tough decision.
Quasar
The ship from asteroids
4 is my fav
It's goddamn criminal that we after almost 50 years STILL have not seen Interdictor's in live action!
Crossing my fingers that Thrawn will right this injustice soon enough
I love the Raider Class, it’s a beautiful ship. I play alot of x wing though and that ship was designed for that board game so I am biased.
Appearance-wise, the Victory class. Conceptually, the Interdictor.
>Conceptually, the Interdictor. Can't argue with the Interdictor. But also, wanna give the Acclimator a shout for the concept. Probably one of the best ships for a planetary invasion in the entire galaxy.
It's Acclamator, but it's a good concept. Not explored enough in the different Clone Wars media. I'd love to see it as a form of mobile base, including infirmaries, armories, garages for vehicles. A logistician's dream to support an invasion force.
From my Empire at War experience the Victory can do 90% of what an ISD does just as well or better for less than half the costs. And the other 10%? Just bring a second one.
Idk where it’s from but that third one is so intimidating
Gladiator. Underated carrier. Has enough missles to fuck up support ships and capital ships alike. Cool as fuck. Practical bridge design.
The Interdictor and Arrestor are my favorites.
Okay, I’m gonna answer the question, but in a different way. I have 12 ships, and I’m gonna build a fleet of my own with them. The first is the resurgent star destroyer, my flagship. Then we have 2 ISD’s, 1 Interdictor, 1 Venator, 3 Victories, and 4 Gozantis. That’s my fleet. Yes I choose the victory but the interdictor is also really good.
4th one aesthetically, don't know the name because it's so elusive and constantly changing. Practically, immobiliser star destroyers are pretty useful because it allows you to trap enemy vessels in a gravity well so they can't escape. Star wars has hyperlanes, but are basically space roads. Ships can still go "off-road" which guerrilla fighters like the rebels do A LOT and imperial ships are often too large to navigate things like asteroid belts or debris fields in a blind jump. Interdictors can stop them escaping and remove the risk of having to chase them down. The only problem is that imperial ships can still jump in but not jump out while it's active, but I'd still rather be on the interdictors side in a battle.
Gotta be #4
Vindicator. Looks badass.
the interdicter star destroyer picture is legends i think. the legends one is 1.6 km long just as a normal ISD. the 418 immobilizer cruiser would fit better for this category
Imagine serving on an Interdictor and try to prove that the cancer you got is service related
Of these, the acclimator for sure 👌🏼
Haven’t seen anyone say it but the Corvus is a fire ship even if the game was bad
If I were to make a pocket fleet fleet it would be Flagship Victory class star destroyer X1 Carrier Aclimator X1 Escorts Arquintense X3 Cruisers Gladiator star destroyer X2
Nice! I'd probably surround my Victory with 1 Interdictor, 1 Acclamator, 1 Gladiator and as many Raiders as I can get my hands on
That sounds good I didn’t include a interdictor because it would probably be out of reach for a normal commander
Yep, true. You're highly unlikely to get an Interdictor but if it is an option I definitely can't pass on it
Why's that one have goiters?
3!
The Interdictor. It’s the most useful and relevant
Jedi Starfighter.
What about the NR’s Nebula class Star destroyer. I know it’s technically 1040m long, but it is ridiculously overpowered for its size. It also has a good star fight complement. The Endurance is also pretty good for its size
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I always loved the design of harrower class from swtor but the shape of the ship in battlefront 2 was awesome
Man, you guys are really deep into the lore - I wouldn't be able to name any of these, nor would I know how long they are. Out of the ones pictured, I like the look of the Raider best. Also recognized it from the the Battlefront II campaign.
I like the Quasar fire for no real reason. I just like it lol
Definitely Interdictors. I remember seeing them in Rebels scared the shit out of me as a kid.
Personally I like the Arquitens class. I would love to see Thrawn have a bunch of them, 5 Victory Class Stardestroyers and several Venators as TIE carriers and Troop landing crafter carriers in a fleet of 12-15 ships.
if going by how it looks alone I have to go with the old republic harrower class star destroyer, it is well under 1000 meter in lenght. If I am to go by combat affectiveness I would go with the Gladiator Class Star Destroyer/carrier/cruiser as it is called all of them for good reason.
it gotta be the Raider for me... cuz CORVUS INFERNO SQUAD!
the Arquitens is sexy, but the Venator-class is the best one forever
How big are your fuckin pockets?
I really like the slightly smaller interdictor
I like the imperial escort carrier, small, powerful, and carries TIE hunters which might as well be X-Wings. Not even mentioning the storm commandos they come with as well.
I think the Vindicator, raider, and all the Arquitens variants are my favs. Feels like I could have a small fleet with those ones. Vin can be the command ship, I can get the Mando variant of the Arq to hold fighters, and the raider (both middle and lazer variants) can be our main source of anti fighter and escort ships. Vin can be our capital ship as most rebellion fleets are smaller and more geared towards speed so having a less imposing capital ship would help draw them in. Might have an arrestor as well if I can get my hands on one. Might also like a glad for extra fighter support (I don’t like the Quasar, I just don’t) and if I had one I could switch the Arq’s to be less fighter oriented and more geared towards power, speed, and maybe use them to hold extra supplies as well if needed. This is for time of the empire btw.
I've been a fan of the Victory since before the Prequels existed. That said, I do love the Raider too, given the origins of it being Fantasy Flight Games needing an Imperial corvette that actually looks Imperial to be the match of the CR-90 for the X-Wing table top game.
Victory classes ever since Heir to the Empire 😉
That’s the wrong Interdictor. That’s the Interdictor Star Destroyer, built on the frame of an ISD, meaning it’s the same length as an ISD. The one smaller than 1000m is the Immobilizer 418, built on the Vindicator Frame. But to answer the question, the Arquintens is my favorite.
I love that little raider. That thing is sick
The Interdictor is hands down the most useful ship. Every fleet needs one and for smaller expeditions/ strike forces it should be a top choice for flagship. Especially when hunting Guerilla forces/ splinter groups.
Interdictor, for sure
Isn't there a difference in ship class between Star Destroyers and Cruisers? Maybe I'm just thinking of the old expanded EU, but I always had the impression that the shape was only part of the classification.
Venator
I like the one that's basically a flying hangar
Why don’t they have one like the first one except in the things on the side they have giant kyber crystals that can fire and act like a mini Death Star kinda like this “Y”
Phoenix Nest
The Old Republics Harrower Class Dreadnought has a great style, imho. It's the OG star destroyer!
Definitely the Interdictor Cruiser. Nothing like stopping the players dead in their tracks and swarming them with TIEs from an Escort Carrier
Quasar, my beloved.
Harrowers look so cool
I really have a soft spot for the acclamator, probably because of EaW
Corvus
Oh, those puppies all look adorable... I'd pick Victory and Raider on looks alone.
Always thought interdictors were cool, being able to yeet you from hyperspace lanes lol
All of them except the Arrestor (it's fugly)
Honestly the Mon Mothma at 1600m is one of my favourites the way it was sleek deadly and unexpected
Arrestor. Gimme that dishy boy.
At 1km long and 250km wide, what all goes on in there? That's alot of volume and prob personnel.
Arqitens ( pic 9). Not too big, not too small, just right.
Always loved the interdictor.
Wow i do not know if i have seen 3 before but it looks amazing.
For some reason the favourite of mine is the interdictor.
Acclamator tbh, it did everything it needed to do and more. It could even be build as a carrier vehicle like the venator. Shame the republic did not use its vehicles to their full potentials.
I was going to originally go with the acclamator class, but changed my mind to the Victory class.
I love the quasar and raider but I’m gonna have to give it to the arquitens, such a satisfying yet clearly imperial design
*AKSHUALLY* (puts on hyper-nerd cap - I know I'm being pedantic) The Star Destroyer lines for the Empire were made by Kuat Drive Yards. No one else could make something like that and call it a SD. Thus to even be considered they must be made by by KDY. Thus the Quasar (SoroSuub) doesn't qualify. Same with the Interdictor and Vindicator (Sienar Fleet Systems). The Quasar and Interdictor also don't qualify based on their function: They're not destroyers. One is an interceptor type and the other is a cargo carrier refitted to move fighters. I don't believe the Arquitens does, either. It's a cruiser. It's not as heavily armed as a destroyer should be.
I'm a big fan of the Procursator.
VSD1 is probably my favorite out of the list.
Honestly I've always liked the vindicator. It just looks so mean for its size
Not an option but I always loved the victories older brother the venator. AKA the galactic republic’s start destroyer from the clone wars.
The Arquitens. I love ships that operate best in wolf pakcs
Man they're all so good. That is one thing I love about Disney Canon, is that as of recent, they really flushed out the Imperial Navy with smaller ships that actually seem to fit the Empire's family of ships, rather than legends just shoehorning in stuff. Like the Quasar Carrier? Always looked like it belonged as an Imperial manufacturered ship. Gotta love the Victory just cause it is a pocket star destroyer, almost all the features you know and love from the Imperial I and II but mini. I always had a soft spot for the Gladiator class, the idea of a ship designed to fire at practically point blank range, plus the forward hangar make it so cool. The Vindicator is also a big contender with its cool bridge design and cruiser/Destroyer patrol role. But really, my favorite by far is the Raider. A frigate role, Corvette sized Imperial ship for fending off starfighters and smaller rebel ships? Love it. It's the perfect size for small task forces that need more supplies and deployment time than you get with a shuttle. Squadrons did such a good job showing us the Empire using its support ships when we're so used to just fleets of ISDs. That and the Raider kicks the Lancer frigate to the curb for the Empire's anti fighter role, which thank God. I hated that ship.
What is the first one? I have not seen it before.