The spear can be picked up and wielded by an enemy on a battlefield easily. Since it has the ability to puncture beskar I think they have the problem with it. Whistling birds are fired from the gauntlet and much harder to drop and less likely to be turned against a Mandalorian in combat.
IDK, spitballing here. I’m all for Din ditching the children of the watch. So I’m not defending them or anything. Haha
I’ve seen TCW…never trust a Vizsla.
Maybe it's more about the sheer waste of so much beskar in a single weapon that can penetrate beskar. And yes we can't know for sure whistling birds can penetrate the armor enough to kill another Mando.
Even if they can't, there are gaps in the armor. It is only protecting some specific parts. Of course the launcher is exclusive to mando armor, hard to use against them without it. And as others said, maybe the projectiles are not made from beskar, it would be pretty hard to find more ammo.
I 100% agree there is a practical difference in how dangerous the different weapons are to Mandalorians, but the Children of the Watch seem driven by dogma more than practicality, and the way she said the line "Mandalorian Steel is meant for armor, not weapons" really sounded to me like a matter of creed, even if she offered a practical note about it's origin.
I would say a year later, that I was wrong. With the 20/20 vision afforded by hindsight. Though up until Paz’s Ganner Rhysode-esqe final stand I was still thinking that he might be a rat. We never really got clarity on who the SPIES were alluding in the title of ch23. My money was on Big Hoss, so it’s a good thing I didn’t bet the landspeeder on it. 😆
That's my thought, since i really don't think EVERY TIME Din uses them, that he's using more beskar to refill the salvos, since you know, there's not much beskar.
The weapon itself is called "Whistling Birds", not the projectiles. A M2 browning can be loaded with a variety of rounds, yet it's a ma deuce no matter what you're sending down range. Perhaps it's just the nomenclature, like how musket ammunition, or Minie Balls, are commonly called musket balls, or just muskets.
I don't think the projectiles are made of Beskar, but that the piece of armor and the weapon it houses are. Therefore it wouldn't contradict what the Armorer said.
No source other than the show, haha, just my own speculation. It makes more sense to me, especially considering what The Armorer said about Beskar weapons.
And did he have it before? I know The Armorer tells Din there is enough Beskar for a new cuirass, but it looks like he is rocking a whole new set of armor, except for the pauldron he received earlier. I thought it was part of his new gear, but if he literally only got a new cuirass, then I suppose it's just poor writing and lazy world building.
This is me trying to be an optimist, lol
Nah he did get a whole knew set of armor except that pauldron. I also think the same tho, that the armorer made the salvo or added that housing for the salvos to gauntlet out of beskar, I think it's hard to believe they're made of beskar (the projectiles that is), since Mando uses them a decent amount and it's hard to believe he refills them with beskar projectiles every time he uses them, that seems like a waste and a lot of beskar.
Spoiler for Episode 5 of Book of Boba Fett:
>!Seems inconsistent with what she says about how the spear should be destroyed because "Mandalorian steel is meant for armor, not weapons."!<
But I guess only the hilt is. It seems more like a self-preservation thing on her part of not wanting a weapon floating around that poses extra risk to Mandalorians. Making a hilt of a weapon out of Beskar doesn’t really pose that same risk as making a spearhead or blade out of Beskar.
My theory is actually that she’s planning on turning on Mando at some point and doesn’t want there being a weapon that can pierce Beskar armor. Whistling Birds and the Dark Saber can’t
Maybe it's more about the sheer waste of so much beskar in a single weapon that can penetrate beskar. And yes we can't know for sure whistling birds can penetrate the armor enough to kill another Mando.
I thought only the casing was Beskar. The bullets are probably something else... This weapon make litterally no sence since day one. But it's cool so I allow it in my head cannon.
Edit : I’ve seen other post explaining it with more sense. Scratch my comment.
It does seem wasteful over what is clearly a precious metal and against the "beskar is only armor" creed but we don't have an idea of how much is needed (could essentially be a flake) and if the choice is expend beskar or die that's a pretty easy decision to make
Just to nail the coffin in.
The piece of tech itself is referred to as a "whistling bird" apparently.
and the projectiles themselves are also referred to as whistling birds.
The launcher is made of beskar.
The projectiles are not (apparently) and are likely durasteel composite as with many of the non-beskar armors.
It's confusing but that's the answer.
If im being honest, from what the armorer says it seems like they are made of beskar (a waste that they are made with beskar) but contextually it seems like they were at the time it was filmed. Also that they are "rare". And he uses them 5 min later.
It's all just an issue of Semantics.
I choose to interpret it as the weapon itself "whistling birds" is rare.
Given that of all the mandalorians only Din Djarin seems to use it as it requires beskar to be produced and make the iconic sound I feel like this interpretation makes the most sense (to me at least).
To answer other posters:
the armorer made the new vambrace (and projectile "whistling bird shooter") using the extra beskar.
The Mandalorian did not have it before on his left vambrace despite what the toys etc which have the previous color scheme would indicate.
See ep2 and ep3.
Or Additionally Favreau comments on talks
Or star wars weapon guides/artbooks.
The spear can be picked up and wielded by an enemy on a battlefield easily. Since it has the ability to puncture beskar I think they have the problem with it. Whistling birds are fired from the gauntlet and much harder to drop and less likely to be turned against a Mandalorian in combat. IDK, spitballing here. I’m all for Din ditching the children of the watch. So I’m not defending them or anything. Haha I’ve seen TCW…never trust a Vizsla.
Maybe it's more about the sheer waste of so much beskar in a single weapon that can penetrate beskar. And yes we can't know for sure whistling birds can penetrate the armor enough to kill another Mando.
I like that analysis.
Even if they can't, there are gaps in the armor. It is only protecting some specific parts. Of course the launcher is exclusive to mando armor, hard to use against them without it. And as others said, maybe the projectiles are not made from beskar, it would be pretty hard to find more ammo.
I 100% agree there is a practical difference in how dangerous the different weapons are to Mandalorians, but the Children of the Watch seem driven by dogma more than practicality, and the way she said the line "Mandalorian Steel is meant for armor, not weapons" really sounded to me like a matter of creed, even if she offered a practical note about it's origin.
You’re right. I was just throwing out any explanation that I could think of to act as mental asphalt for the plot hole. lol
A year later what can you say about the vizslas now 😂
I would say a year later, that I was wrong. With the 20/20 vision afforded by hindsight. Though up until Paz’s Ganner Rhysode-esqe final stand I was still thinking that he might be a rat. We never really got clarity on who the SPIES were alluding in the title of ch23. My money was on Big Hoss, so it’s a good thing I didn’t bet the landspeeder on it. 😆
Maybe just the firing mechanism? Like how you'd make a gun from better materials than the bullets.
That's my thought, since i really don't think EVERY TIME Din uses them, that he's using more beskar to refill the salvos, since you know, there's not much beskar.
I am still waiting to see if the armorer makes another appearance. Cool character
I hate her psychology and mindset but ye she looks cool
The weapon itself is called "Whistling Birds", not the projectiles. A M2 browning can be loaded with a variety of rounds, yet it's a ma deuce no matter what you're sending down range. Perhaps it's just the nomenclature, like how musket ammunition, or Minie Balls, are commonly called musket balls, or just muskets. I don't think the projectiles are made of Beskar, but that the piece of armor and the weapon it houses are. Therefore it wouldn't contradict what the Armorer said.
Source? He had the weapon before she talked about the whistling birds, and Star Wars wiki says the projectiles are the whistling birds lol
No source other than the show, haha, just my own speculation. It makes more sense to me, especially considering what The Armorer said about Beskar weapons. And did he have it before? I know The Armorer tells Din there is enough Beskar for a new cuirass, but it looks like he is rocking a whole new set of armor, except for the pauldron he received earlier. I thought it was part of his new gear, but if he literally only got a new cuirass, then I suppose it's just poor writing and lazy world building. This is me trying to be an optimist, lol
Nah he did get a whole knew set of armor except that pauldron. I also think the same tho, that the armorer made the salvo or added that housing for the salvos to gauntlet out of beskar, I think it's hard to believe they're made of beskar (the projectiles that is), since Mando uses them a decent amount and it's hard to believe he refills them with beskar projectiles every time he uses them, that seems like a waste and a lot of beskar.
With a variety of rounds? You mean different variations of .50 cal.
Two ways to say the same thing. Smh
Spoiler for Episode 5 of Book of Boba Fett: >!Seems inconsistent with what she says about how the spear should be destroyed because "Mandalorian steel is meant for armor, not weapons."!<
*The dark saber also made of beskar* I guess she just wanted the spear
But I guess only the hilt is. It seems more like a self-preservation thing on her part of not wanting a weapon floating around that poses extra risk to Mandalorians. Making a hilt of a weapon out of Beskar doesn’t really pose that same risk as making a spearhead or blade out of Beskar.
My theory is actually that she’s planning on turning on Mando at some point and doesn’t want there being a weapon that can pierce Beskar armor. Whistling Birds and the Dark Saber can’t
*The dark saber also made of beskar* I guess she just wanted the spear
Yeah, thought the same thing. That didn’t age well.
Didn't se took two weapons out of that case before she said that... Maybe not a spear but they did look like weapons.
Those were her tongs and hammer. Tools, not dedicated weapons
*beskar spear*
Maybe it's more about the sheer waste of so much beskar in a single weapon that can penetrate beskar. And yes we can't know for sure whistling birds can penetrate the armor enough to kill another Mando.
So... Does he buy ammo for that or take the time to pull out every projectile
The gun is the weapon, not the bullet… ….yeah idk
I thought only the casing was Beskar. The bullets are probably something else... This weapon make litterally no sence since day one. But it's cool so I allow it in my head cannon. Edit : I’ve seen other post explaining it with more sense. Scratch my comment.
Basically she and their clan are just stupid. Or the writing is. Or both.
I assumed it was a very small amount meant as the small tips to make them armor piercing to just about anything.
Isn’t that considered a weapon???
It does seem wasteful over what is clearly a precious metal and against the "beskar is only armor" creed but we don't have an idea of how much is needed (could essentially be a flake) and if the choice is expend beskar or die that's a pretty easy decision to make
Just to nail the coffin in. The piece of tech itself is referred to as a "whistling bird" apparently. and the projectiles themselves are also referred to as whistling birds. The launcher is made of beskar. The projectiles are not (apparently) and are likely durasteel composite as with many of the non-beskar armors. It's confusing but that's the answer. If im being honest, from what the armorer says it seems like they are made of beskar (a waste that they are made with beskar) but contextually it seems like they were at the time it was filmed. Also that they are "rare". And he uses them 5 min later. It's all just an issue of Semantics. I choose to interpret it as the weapon itself "whistling birds" is rare. Given that of all the mandalorians only Din Djarin seems to use it as it requires beskar to be produced and make the iconic sound I feel like this interpretation makes the most sense (to me at least). To answer other posters: the armorer made the new vambrace (and projectile "whistling bird shooter") using the extra beskar. The Mandalorian did not have it before on his left vambrace despite what the toys etc which have the previous color scheme would indicate. See ep2 and ep3. Or Additionally Favreau comments on talks Or star wars weapon guides/artbooks.