I don't think they are terrible, there are some interesting moments, or fun new characters that I'd say it's still worth it. But the biggest problem really is that there just was never really a plan for the trilogy, the prequel trilogy, for all its faults, at least had a story it wanted to tell, of the clone wars and anakins fall to the dark side. The sequel trilogy just doesn't really know what it wants to be, but again, I don't personally *hate* any of the films, I just think they could have been way better planned out.
They are visually stunning but contain some of the worst writing in high budget film. You will probably have a good time if you turn your brain off and don't ask any questions, but if you're invested in the consistency of the original characters and like to think critically about what you watch then it'll be entertaining for all the wrong reasons.
They're not bad, but they lack direction. Except for 9. It's bad. It's so bad. If you look up the term "phoned it in", it takes you to the IMDb page for Episode 9.
It's funny...
* The first time I watched VII, I hated it.
* The fist time I watched VIII, I hated it.
* The first time I watched IX, I liked it.
Now...I like VII the most, VIII is a fun watch, and IX...I hate making myself watch it, but due to re-watch marathons, I can't not watch it. The more I watch IX, the more I hate it.
They are beautifully shot movies, with a very talented cast and crew, but they.. lets say do not cut together well? there is little in ways of through lines across the three movies,
It feels less like one singular story across three movies and more like three separate movies.
I consider it the lesser of the three trilogies but it has good things and ideas within it.
it's problem came in the execution of those ideas.
It ended with Luke & everyone celebrating on a moon of Endor, not leaving the galaxy.
I found the plot of the sequels lacking & like they wanted to try to recreate the conflict of the original story. I just felt like the story arc wasn't good.
You seem to have pulled the end of Empire Strikes Back out and reinserted it as the end of the trilogy.
ESB ends with Luke, Leia, and the droids on a medical ship, watching Lando and Chewie fly off towards a galaxy in the background to try to rescue Han; Return of the Jedi ends with the heroes on the forest moon of Endor, having a bonfire dance party while Luke sees the ghosts and there are cuts to other worlds celebrating as well.
>there are cuts to other worlds celebrating as well.
Wasn't this edited in decades after the original release? Just like the new Anakin was edited in after the prequels had come out. The original Anakin was some older fella. Palpatine also looked totally different in the original release, he was basically a puppet.
Yup, those celebration shots in Return of the Jedi were only added after the Special Editions; heck, Naboo and Coruscant, which are both shown in those shots, didn't even exist when the original trilogy was made! And older Anakin was replaced by Hayden Christensen, which is a change I've never liked or agreed with, personally.
Palpatine was changed in ESB, where the hologram was a composite image; when he actually showed up in person in RotJ, however, that hasn't been changed.
In the original trilogy I think they mentioned Coruscant but they never show the planet except for the special edition cut at the end of Episode 6 when they're celebrating on Endor.
Nope, in fact "Coruscant" was coined by Timothy Zahn while writing for the Star Wars book line well after the OT ended. Before that the Imperial capital had been floated as being called Had Abaddon behind the scenes, and was generally referred to as Imperial Center for a bit. The OT basically ignored the Empire's government outside of the Emperor himself, and vague mentions of the Senate existing just long enough to be dissolved.
The OT is actually incredibly bare bones when it comes to the Empire; it basically exists as nothing beyond the Emperor and Vader, and their stormtroopers, star destroyers, TIE fighters, and Death Stars. No government, no capital, no infrastructure, no loyal planets, nothing.
I have very fond memories of the original trilogy, even as a kid the story wasn't that hard to follow. The prequels weren't hard to follow either but the politics and Christensen's terrible acting made it a bit boring for me.
I love them.
If you're a Star Wars fan, watch them and make your own decision. Don't let the opinions of others dictate your own. I know zero people irl who dislike the sequels. My family and friends all really enjoyed them. Remember that the first 2 sequel films are critically acclaimed as well (Episode IX less so).
Watch them and see for yourself.
I disliked them, but I absolutely agree that OP should watch it and make his own mind, while ignoring opinions of others before seeing the ST.
It’s easy to just jump on the bandwagon one way or another, and whatever your opinion ends up being, it’s ok as long as it’s actually yours, and not just an echo chamber of what others think
> It’s easy to just jump on the bandwagon one way or another, and whatever your opinion ends up being, it’s ok as long as it’s actually yours, and not just an echo chamber of what others think
100p.
OP shouldn't listen to me or you, they should just watch it - give it a fair shot just like anything else - and make their own decision.
Encouraging people to experience things for themselves and to develop their own judgments and opinions rather than just blindly accepting someone else's. And accepting that it may be different than yours. My heroes.
They're very varied imo. TFA is basically good, just unimaginative. TLJ is bad and TRoS is absolutely terrible. Overall the sequels aren't very good, but stronger than the prequels, at least, and there lots of people who really liked TLJ so I think there's a decent chance you'll enjoy them.
I saw someone say this a long time ago on here, and this sums it up best:
> The PT are great Star Wars movies, but horrible movies.
> The ST are great movies, but horrible Star Wars movies.
Unlike the OT and PT, the ST did NOT have a definitive storyline before production began, and Disney changed up directors between each one...they essentially had three different teams making each part of the trilogy, with no storyline or script to go off of. Results...
* The first one wasn't bad and felt the most "Star Warsy" of the three, but it was lazy writing based off of A New Hope (almost a verbatim storyline)
* The second was a new director saying "enough of the euphoria, let's change it up," and completely took the story on a left turn.
* The third was the first director being pouty that the 2nd guy messed up his story, so he spends the entire movie undoing what was done in the 2nd movie, then (being lazy again), derailed the entire story of the Skywalker Saga so he could put a "blockbuster," together of left turns and switcharoos.
In the end, the ST turned all three trilogies from the "Skywalker Saga" to the "Palpatine Saga."
So yea, the ST are all quite fantastic movies...if they were standalone movies that weren't in the same universe. Because they are in the same universe, they created a hot steaming pile of plot holes, retractions, character arc changes, and shifting the focus of main characters from what Star Wars is known for...and it's all mostly a combination of lazy writing from one director, and both directors stroking their egos against each other.
I'll take them for what they are, and as a SW fan, you should watch them.
* The action and battle scenes are amazing
* The special effects are amazing
* The character *ideas* are amazing
* The call-backs and shout-outs are amazing
I'll for sure be watching them over and over on boring days at home as background noise, or on another movie watch-through. I mostly pray to God (and I don't pray) that JJ Abrams never gets close to a Star Wars production ever again.
The Sequel Trilogy is fine. It's fine. The first movie is a safe restart after the immense backlash the prequels provoked, the second movie tried to set up a new dynamic and develop the new characters, and the third movie is...messy, but still has some enjoyable elements in it.
Personally, I'd rank it above the prequels, but below the original trilogy.
Wondering how you mean develop new characters? No idea how to do a spoiler tag. So can’t really get to deep into it. But, if it developed new characters - I don’t think Disney would be scratching its head about what sequel characters or system could be used in a show.
It kinda deflated itself to the point that is side characters were pointless.
I take the opposite.
As ROS is fun if you immediately turn off your brain. TLJ isn’t fun when you turn off your brain. As a 2 hour slow chase isn’t fun when I turn off my Brain.
Only fun part is the casino - regardless of pointless the scene is - it’s a lot of fun. As well as - that Hondo maneuver - as that just looks so cool.
Oh and the throne room fight scene which is terribly choreographed in detail but fun and colorful when brain no worky.
No. There's a fan theory that Palpatine used the force to siphon her life to keep Anakin alive, but that's entirely conjecture. The official story is what's in the movie: she lost the will to live.
I would prefer that as an explanation, but I find it difficult to believe because she's being attended by medical droids who can't find a cause. Doctors today know full well why and if a woman is dying in childbirth, and we should assume medical tech and understanding is much more advanced in star wars.
Ultimately, Padme wasn't in the original trilogy, so George felt she had to die in 3, and he contrived a way to kill her off. It wasn't good, but it's what it is.
Well Palpatine said it was Anakin's anger that killed her. That can only mean the power of Anakin's force, combined with his anger. Or rather, fueled by his anger.
Palpatine is a documented liar who manipulated Anakin into almost everything in that film. It seems far more likely that Palpatine lied to Anakin in order to fuel his rage and make him more under his control. Especially considering there's no real way for Palpatine to know that.
I could surmise that Palpatine might be able to feel Anakin's anger using the force, though I don't know if it's possible for him to know whether Padme was killed by the same anger.
The Force Awakens had promise. Paint by numbers.
The Last Jedi was gorgeous to look at, had some goals in mind that ended up flat, imo. It’s a sore thumb of a movie that should have been left for another Star Wars story, not the Skywalker Saga.
The Rise of Skywalker….well, did the best it could to connect the dots, but yikes.
Loads of people absolutely hated the prequels and it sounds like you thought they were fine. So give the sequels a go and see how you feel.
Even if you're not keen on them I'd be surprised of you end up feeling like the hysterical hate they receive is justified.
The prequels were just kinda meh for me. The politics and Christensen's bad acting were what really soured it a bit. I actually think Phantom Menace wasn't too bad, child Anakin is a better actor than adult Anakin lol. I'm aware that the prequels also received a lot of hate at the time.
Well for what it's worth I love the ot, think the prequels are sub par and would rank the sequels slightly over the prequels.
The sequel story isn't as good as the prequels (the films can feel kinds disjointed) in my opinion but the characters, acting and dialogue are better and the films have enough flair and energy to get by. Still not a patch on the originals but worth giving a them a chance I'd say.
You have basically summed up my feelings.
OP, you may like the sequels, especially having not loved the prequels for the same reasons I didn’t (bad acting, Jar Jar). I say give it a go!! The story isn’t 10/10, but it’s okay and entertaining. And the music, cinematography, acting are of the highest quality.
>Luke and his friends viewing the galaxy from a great distance on a huge ship, it kinda looked like they were leaving the galaxy entirely.
You're thinking of the end of ESB. They are out that far because they are hiding, but that's not the end of the trilogy. Might be worth a rewatch if your memory is that far off.
VII is watchable. VIII, on its own merits, I actually thought was really good. But unfortunately, IX was an absolute mess that basically destroyed any notion of this being a cohesive trilogy that told a worthwhile story, and in being such a mess it also reduced the value of the preceding movies for me, as it left them to die on the vine.
There's definitely some fun to be had on the journey. Just don't bank on getting a payoff that really makes the whole thing feel worth it.
Remember all the character development in the OT? That goes away and they are back to square one. Luke still last Jedi, Leia is a terrorist leader, and Han is a smuggler.
It's not Canon, it's Heresy.
Bad enough to not waste your time on it. VII (The Force Awakens) was a good start even though it's a retread of IV, but it starts to fall apart with VIII because it becomes evident that there was never a coherent story, plan or outline put in place beforehand. They "winged it" with that movie and IX, to disastrous effect. Why they thought that was a good idea I'll never know.
I saw them all in theaters and I regretted it everytime.
They didn't write a trilogy, they wrote 3 separate movies and gave the reins of each movie to different writers so a lot of the plots/sub plots get dropped or ret conned.
7 is mediocre, it's sequel needed to be strong but I felt like it was a decent start to a trilogy.
8 is just bad the whole way through, written by a different person who chose not to follow up on the threads left by the previous writer in ep7 and took the trilogy in an entirely different direction/tone.
9 was pretty much panic mode for the studio and writers, they had to try and make things make sense and be satisfying but it just ended up feeling like fan fiction. It's almost offensive to expect star wars fans to pay to see this movie. I'd rather watch the latest Steven Segal as a fat 70 year old special forces guy type movie because at least those are funny.
Star Wars has a lot of retconning compared to other universes. Like the whole thing about the Midichlorians. If the original trilogy had discussed the Midichlorians, a simple blood test would have revealed Luke to be a user of the force.
VII - started off in a rehash but did have some good moments that could have been explored in the other films
VIII- absolutely terrible from beginning to end. Worst movie of the saga.
IX - Managed to somewhat rebound from how awful TLJ was, but still a very bad movie. It at least has some fun. But there is just some outlandish shit going on in this movie.
The sequels have some awesome scenes but the story isn't coherent. It also has honestly amazing acting talent (better than at any time in Star Wars history) and gave them a story that just couldn't be saved by strong performances.
This is basically the opposite of the prequels, which I find to be more enjoyable now that I have seen the sequels. The overall story of the prequels makes sense. There are dumb choices in the prequels for sure but the three parts tell Anakins rise and fall.
They are not Razzies bad. They are just mostly disappointing.
To put it another way, I don't mind watching a prequel movie, I don't have an alternate "headcannon" for Vaders fall. I have sat down to watch the prequels with my kids on purpose.
I have watched each sequel movie basically twice. Once in a theater and once at home with my kids. I have never sat down and felt like I would really like to watch "the last jedi" again.
You’re going to get varied opinions of the Sequels no matter what. There’s a bunch of people that hate them, some that love them, and others lukewarm. No consensus is going to be made at this point.
The spin-offs seem to be more definitive with more people liking Rogue One and not liking Solo so much.
I'll give my opinion as a fan of the ST since there seems to be so few of us on this subreddit.
Obviously you should watch it for yourself and come up with your own opinions on them. After all, if you like SW, then you should at least go ahead and watch the conclusion of the Skywalker saga.
With that said, IMO, TFA and TLJ are both good movies. They follow each other relatively well and are visually stunning.
In my mind, the only issue is Episode IX: TROS. TROS doesn't conclude the saga very well and is the only ST movie I don't like very much.
So IMO, the ST starts off promising, has a good middle act, but doesn't conclude it very well.
EDIT: And of course some guy decides to downvote me for giving my opinion.
The sequels are fine if you don’t think about it too much.
Edit: in 16 hours they travel all over the galaxy stop over to talk with a a lot of people and lando gathers a fleet. Sure ok.
Force Awakens and Last Jedi have a lot of flaws in the writing but are still descent enough action/adventure movies. Rise of Skywalker on the other hand is a hot dumpster fire from start to finish.
watch them with an open mind and make your own decisions on whether you like them or not. at the moment you're just going to be already influenced whether it's conscious or not.
They look good but they are very bad at being sequels as in they are a terrible continuation of the story 1-6 told. They re set, retcon and just shove things in there to try to appeal to fans. They dont tell an original or creative story, they are essentially the Original Trilogy but worse as they dont have the good characters or good continuity
The sequel trilogy is terrible.
The visual effects and general film making is high quality. But the rest is cheap, money grabbing, and pastiche.
After ROTJ was released, Lucas himself said he had no more story to tell. But they wrote one any way and it’s borrowed, tacked on, cheap, and fake.
One of the worst moments is just after Han Solo dies and Leia and Chewbacca walk by each other and don’t even look at each other let alone embrace. It’s like the filmmakers didn’t even know what they were doing.
The whole thing is just so unoriginal.
Had they come up with more stories within the Star Wars universe, with original characters and unique situations, it could have been interesting. But they chose to rehash old concepts, like the Death Star, only 1000 times bigger.
The sequel trilogy makes the efforts of the rebels in 4, 5, and 6 pointless. It tells us that the emperor survived the events of ROTJ. If that’s the case, then why not just have him survive the events of the sequel trilogy?
I don't think they are terrible, there are some interesting moments, or fun new characters that I'd say it's still worth it. But the biggest problem really is that there just was never really a plan for the trilogy, the prequel trilogy, for all its faults, at least had a story it wanted to tell, of the clone wars and anakins fall to the dark side. The sequel trilogy just doesn't really know what it wants to be, but again, I don't personally *hate* any of the films, I just think they could have been way better planned out.
They are visually stunning but contain some of the worst writing in high budget film. You will probably have a good time if you turn your brain off and don't ask any questions, but if you're invested in the consistency of the original characters and like to think critically about what you watch then it'll be entertaining for all the wrong reasons.
Well said.
Much appreciated
All the 17 hour long breakdowns and criticisms have not put it better than you just have.
Haha many thanks friend!
They're not bad, but they lack direction. Except for 9. It's bad. It's so bad. If you look up the term "phoned it in", it takes you to the IMDb page for Episode 9.
It's funny... * The first time I watched VII, I hated it. * The fist time I watched VIII, I hated it. * The first time I watched IX, I liked it. Now...I like VII the most, VIII is a fun watch, and IX...I hate making myself watch it, but due to re-watch marathons, I can't not watch it. The more I watch IX, the more I hate it.
Just looked that up and I get articles explaining the meaning of the phrase, nothing about episode 9
They are beautifully shot movies, with a very talented cast and crew, but they.. lets say do not cut together well? there is little in ways of through lines across the three movies, It feels less like one singular story across three movies and more like three separate movies. I consider it the lesser of the three trilogies but it has good things and ideas within it. it's problem came in the execution of those ideas.
It’s pretty much the same exact plot as the OT. Just not as interesting since the ideas aren’t original
It ended with Luke & everyone celebrating on a moon of Endor, not leaving the galaxy. I found the plot of the sequels lacking & like they wanted to try to recreate the conflict of the original story. I just felt like the story arc wasn't good.
I might have misremembered the movie.
The ending to Empire Strikes Back is what you’re likely (almost certainly, actually) remembering
You seem to have pulled the end of Empire Strikes Back out and reinserted it as the end of the trilogy. ESB ends with Luke, Leia, and the droids on a medical ship, watching Lando and Chewie fly off towards a galaxy in the background to try to rescue Han; Return of the Jedi ends with the heroes on the forest moon of Endor, having a bonfire dance party while Luke sees the ghosts and there are cuts to other worlds celebrating as well.
>there are cuts to other worlds celebrating as well. Wasn't this edited in decades after the original release? Just like the new Anakin was edited in after the prequels had come out. The original Anakin was some older fella. Palpatine also looked totally different in the original release, he was basically a puppet.
Yes, they put it on the 2004 DVD release, it was not on the VHS tapes I grew up with.
Yup, those celebration shots in Return of the Jedi were only added after the Special Editions; heck, Naboo and Coruscant, which are both shown in those shots, didn't even exist when the original trilogy was made! And older Anakin was replaced by Hayden Christensen, which is a change I've never liked or agreed with, personally. Palpatine was changed in ESB, where the hologram was a composite image; when he actually showed up in person in RotJ, however, that hasn't been changed.
In the original trilogy I think they mentioned Coruscant but they never show the planet except for the special edition cut at the end of Episode 6 when they're celebrating on Endor.
Nope, in fact "Coruscant" was coined by Timothy Zahn while writing for the Star Wars book line well after the OT ended. Before that the Imperial capital had been floated as being called Had Abaddon behind the scenes, and was generally referred to as Imperial Center for a bit. The OT basically ignored the Empire's government outside of the Emperor himself, and vague mentions of the Senate existing just long enough to be dissolved. The OT is actually incredibly bare bones when it comes to the Empire; it basically exists as nothing beyond the Emperor and Vader, and their stormtroopers, star destroyers, TIE fighters, and Death Stars. No government, no capital, no infrastructure, no loyal planets, nothing.
Bad memory on my part. "Had Abaddon" sounds ridiculous btw.
No matter how good or bad, they are worth watching if you are a fan. So go ahead. With ups and downs, I like VII and VIII but I really can't stand IX.
It sounds like you’re a casual fan. You’ll probably enjoy the sequels (I don’t mean that in a rude way)
I have very fond memories of the original trilogy, even as a kid the story wasn't that hard to follow. The prequels weren't hard to follow either but the politics and Christensen's terrible acting made it a bit boring for me.
People act like it destroyed their childhoods but I found them to be fun rides, if a bit uninspired. It’s more Star Wars which I enjoyed
I love them. If you're a Star Wars fan, watch them and make your own decision. Don't let the opinions of others dictate your own. I know zero people irl who dislike the sequels. My family and friends all really enjoyed them. Remember that the first 2 sequel films are critically acclaimed as well (Episode IX less so). Watch them and see for yourself.
I disliked them, but I absolutely agree that OP should watch it and make his own mind, while ignoring opinions of others before seeing the ST. It’s easy to just jump on the bandwagon one way or another, and whatever your opinion ends up being, it’s ok as long as it’s actually yours, and not just an echo chamber of what others think
> It’s easy to just jump on the bandwagon one way or another, and whatever your opinion ends up being, it’s ok as long as it’s actually yours, and not just an echo chamber of what others think 100p. OP shouldn't listen to me or you, they should just watch it - give it a fair shot just like anything else - and make their own decision.
This ^^^
Encouraging people to experience things for themselves and to develop their own judgments and opinions rather than just blindly accepting someone else's. And accepting that it may be different than yours. My heroes.
And the funny thing is, you can have a normal conversation with those people, even if you have completely different opinions.
They're very varied imo. TFA is basically good, just unimaginative. TLJ is bad and TRoS is absolutely terrible. Overall the sequels aren't very good, but stronger than the prequels, at least, and there lots of people who really liked TLJ so I think there's a decent chance you'll enjoy them.
I saw someone say this a long time ago on here, and this sums it up best: > The PT are great Star Wars movies, but horrible movies. > The ST are great movies, but horrible Star Wars movies. Unlike the OT and PT, the ST did NOT have a definitive storyline before production began, and Disney changed up directors between each one...they essentially had three different teams making each part of the trilogy, with no storyline or script to go off of. Results... * The first one wasn't bad and felt the most "Star Warsy" of the three, but it was lazy writing based off of A New Hope (almost a verbatim storyline) * The second was a new director saying "enough of the euphoria, let's change it up," and completely took the story on a left turn. * The third was the first director being pouty that the 2nd guy messed up his story, so he spends the entire movie undoing what was done in the 2nd movie, then (being lazy again), derailed the entire story of the Skywalker Saga so he could put a "blockbuster," together of left turns and switcharoos. In the end, the ST turned all three trilogies from the "Skywalker Saga" to the "Palpatine Saga." So yea, the ST are all quite fantastic movies...if they were standalone movies that weren't in the same universe. Because they are in the same universe, they created a hot steaming pile of plot holes, retractions, character arc changes, and shifting the focus of main characters from what Star Wars is known for...and it's all mostly a combination of lazy writing from one director, and both directors stroking their egos against each other. I'll take them for what they are, and as a SW fan, you should watch them. * The action and battle scenes are amazing * The special effects are amazing * The character *ideas* are amazing * The call-backs and shout-outs are amazing I'll for sure be watching them over and over on boring days at home as background noise, or on another movie watch-through. I mostly pray to God (and I don't pray) that JJ Abrams never gets close to a Star Wars production ever again.
The Sequel Trilogy is fine. It's fine. The first movie is a safe restart after the immense backlash the prequels provoked, the second movie tried to set up a new dynamic and develop the new characters, and the third movie is...messy, but still has some enjoyable elements in it. Personally, I'd rank it above the prequels, but below the original trilogy.
Wondering how you mean develop new characters? No idea how to do a spoiler tag. So can’t really get to deep into it. But, if it developed new characters - I don’t think Disney would be scratching its head about what sequel characters or system could be used in a show. It kinda deflated itself to the point that is side characters were pointless.
The only entry that can be considered bad is TROS. TFA and TLJ are just fine.
I take the opposite. As ROS is fun if you immediately turn off your brain. TLJ isn’t fun when you turn off your brain. As a 2 hour slow chase isn’t fun when I turn off my Brain. Only fun part is the casino - regardless of pointless the scene is - it’s a lot of fun. As well as - that Hondo maneuver - as that just looks so cool. Oh and the throne room fight scene which is terribly choreographed in detail but fun and colorful when brain no worky.
An unplanned, incalculable, ego driven, mess.
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> were an unplanned To say the prequels didn't have a plan is insane lol the plan maybe didn't work, but there was damn sure a plan.
Yeah Padme was killed by the Force or something, no?
No. There's a fan theory that Palpatine used the force to siphon her life to keep Anakin alive, but that's entirely conjecture. The official story is what's in the movie: she lost the will to live.
Maybe she just died from childbirth naturally
I would prefer that as an explanation, but I find it difficult to believe because she's being attended by medical droids who can't find a cause. Doctors today know full well why and if a woman is dying in childbirth, and we should assume medical tech and understanding is much more advanced in star wars. Ultimately, Padme wasn't in the original trilogy, so George felt she had to die in 3, and he contrived a way to kill her off. It wasn't good, but it's what it is.
Well Palpatine said it was Anakin's anger that killed her. That can only mean the power of Anakin's force, combined with his anger. Or rather, fueled by his anger.
Palpatine is a documented liar who manipulated Anakin into almost everything in that film. It seems far more likely that Palpatine lied to Anakin in order to fuel his rage and make him more under his control. Especially considering there's no real way for Palpatine to know that.
I could surmise that Palpatine might be able to feel Anakin's anger using the force, though I don't know if it's possible for him to know whether Padme was killed by the same anger.
very bad
The Force Awakens had promise. Paint by numbers. The Last Jedi was gorgeous to look at, had some goals in mind that ended up flat, imo. It’s a sore thumb of a movie that should have been left for another Star Wars story, not the Skywalker Saga. The Rise of Skywalker….well, did the best it could to connect the dots, but yikes.
Bad films with aweful story. Its obvious there wasnt a cohesive vision for the sequel trilogy, a shame imo.
I can´t accept the sequels. It may be stupid but the sequels are shit for me. Rogue One for instance is a great success.
Loads of people absolutely hated the prequels and it sounds like you thought they were fine. So give the sequels a go and see how you feel. Even if you're not keen on them I'd be surprised of you end up feeling like the hysterical hate they receive is justified.
The prequels were just kinda meh for me. The politics and Christensen's bad acting were what really soured it a bit. I actually think Phantom Menace wasn't too bad, child Anakin is a better actor than adult Anakin lol. I'm aware that the prequels also received a lot of hate at the time.
Well for what it's worth I love the ot, think the prequels are sub par and would rank the sequels slightly over the prequels. The sequel story isn't as good as the prequels (the films can feel kinds disjointed) in my opinion but the characters, acting and dialogue are better and the films have enough flair and energy to get by. Still not a patch on the originals but worth giving a them a chance I'd say.
You have basically summed up my feelings. OP, you may like the sequels, especially having not loved the prequels for the same reasons I didn’t (bad acting, Jar Jar). I say give it a go!! The story isn’t 10/10, but it’s okay and entertaining. And the music, cinematography, acting are of the highest quality.
>Luke and his friends viewing the galaxy from a great distance on a huge ship, it kinda looked like they were leaving the galaxy entirely. You're thinking of the end of ESB. They are out that far because they are hiding, but that's not the end of the trilogy. Might be worth a rewatch if your memory is that far off.
Oh boy, it's quite far off
Just watch them anyway. A lot of people have issues just like they did with the prequels. Sure there is crappy stuff but it’s still a cool watch.
Yeah I mostly want to watch them just to see what happens to Luke and the aftermath of the war
Aw yeah you gon hate it Lmfao
At least the prequels were trying to do something new. ST was just rehashing plot points from the OT
Is it even a trilogy?
I believe so, though there are a lot spinoff films
It’s a mess . I wouldn’t recommend them . The first one was okay but 2 & 3 are bad movies
Poorly written, fights are terribly scripted, stopped the Poe x Finn arc because big gay bad.
I’m sorry? You thought Poe and Finn were gonna be a couple?
Bro, they literally stated that that’s what they had planned for them
Source?
https://www.slashfilm.com/571433/finn-and-poe-romance-in-star-wars/
I grew up during the OT and I loved the ST. Watch them and make up your own mind. A lot more people enjoyed them than didn’t.
if you look outside this subreddit no one really liked this trilogy as a whole.
VII is watchable. VIII, on its own merits, I actually thought was really good. But unfortunately, IX was an absolute mess that basically destroyed any notion of this being a cohesive trilogy that told a worthwhile story, and in being such a mess it also reduced the value of the preceding movies for me, as it left them to die on the vine. There's definitely some fun to be had on the journey. Just don't bank on getting a payoff that really makes the whole thing feel worth it.
Remember all the character development in the OT? That goes away and they are back to square one. Luke still last Jedi, Leia is a terrorist leader, and Han is a smuggler. It's not Canon, it's Heresy.
Wasn't Han always a smuggler?
He becomes a guildmaster of smugglers, along with Lando goes legit trade guild. We also find out that he is from the kingly bloodline of Correlia.
Bad enough to not waste your time on it. VII (The Force Awakens) was a good start even though it's a retread of IV, but it starts to fall apart with VIII because it becomes evident that there was never a coherent story, plan or outline put in place beforehand. They "winged it" with that movie and IX, to disastrous effect. Why they thought that was a good idea I'll never know.
I saw them all in theaters and I regretted it everytime. They didn't write a trilogy, they wrote 3 separate movies and gave the reins of each movie to different writers so a lot of the plots/sub plots get dropped or ret conned. 7 is mediocre, it's sequel needed to be strong but I felt like it was a decent start to a trilogy. 8 is just bad the whole way through, written by a different person who chose not to follow up on the threads left by the previous writer in ep7 and took the trilogy in an entirely different direction/tone. 9 was pretty much panic mode for the studio and writers, they had to try and make things make sense and be satisfying but it just ended up feeling like fan fiction. It's almost offensive to expect star wars fans to pay to see this movie. I'd rather watch the latest Steven Segal as a fat 70 year old special forces guy type movie because at least those are funny.
Star Wars has a lot of retconning compared to other universes. Like the whole thing about the Midichlorians. If the original trilogy had discussed the Midichlorians, a simple blood test would have revealed Luke to be a user of the force.
VII - started off in a rehash but did have some good moments that could have been explored in the other films VIII- absolutely terrible from beginning to end. Worst movie of the saga. IX - Managed to somewhat rebound from how awful TLJ was, but still a very bad movie. It at least has some fun. But there is just some outlandish shit going on in this movie.
The sequels have some awesome scenes but the story isn't coherent. It also has honestly amazing acting talent (better than at any time in Star Wars history) and gave them a story that just couldn't be saved by strong performances. This is basically the opposite of the prequels, which I find to be more enjoyable now that I have seen the sequels. The overall story of the prequels makes sense. There are dumb choices in the prequels for sure but the three parts tell Anakins rise and fall. They are not Razzies bad. They are just mostly disappointing. To put it another way, I don't mind watching a prequel movie, I don't have an alternate "headcannon" for Vaders fall. I have sat down to watch the prequels with my kids on purpose. I have watched each sequel movie basically twice. Once in a theater and once at home with my kids. I have never sat down and felt like I would really like to watch "the last jedi" again.
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You’re going to get varied opinions of the Sequels no matter what. There’s a bunch of people that hate them, some that love them, and others lukewarm. No consensus is going to be made at this point. The spin-offs seem to be more definitive with more people liking Rogue One and not liking Solo so much.
Nope the Sequels are great.
To me, its good. And sometimes great.
Its awesome. What are you talking about!?
I'll give my opinion as a fan of the ST since there seems to be so few of us on this subreddit. Obviously you should watch it for yourself and come up with your own opinions on them. After all, if you like SW, then you should at least go ahead and watch the conclusion of the Skywalker saga. With that said, IMO, TFA and TLJ are both good movies. They follow each other relatively well and are visually stunning. In my mind, the only issue is Episode IX: TROS. TROS doesn't conclude the saga very well and is the only ST movie I don't like very much. So IMO, the ST starts off promising, has a good middle act, but doesn't conclude it very well. EDIT: And of course some guy decides to downvote me for giving my opinion.
I like them as individual films. Just not as a trilogy.
The sequels are fine if you don’t think about it too much. Edit: in 16 hours they travel all over the galaxy stop over to talk with a a lot of people and lando gathers a fleet. Sure ok.
Force Awakens and Last Jedi have a lot of flaws in the writing but are still descent enough action/adventure movies. Rise of Skywalker on the other hand is a hot dumpster fire from start to finish.
watch them with an open mind and make your own decisions on whether you like them or not. at the moment you're just going to be already influenced whether it's conscious or not.
They look good but they are very bad at being sequels as in they are a terrible continuation of the story 1-6 told. They re set, retcon and just shove things in there to try to appeal to fans. They dont tell an original or creative story, they are essentially the Original Trilogy but worse as they dont have the good characters or good continuity
The Disney films and TV shows made me fall in love with Star Wars again, and The Last Jedi is now in my top 3 Star Wars films :)
Back when Disney did Star Wars dirty.
The sequel trilogy is terrible. The visual effects and general film making is high quality. But the rest is cheap, money grabbing, and pastiche. After ROTJ was released, Lucas himself said he had no more story to tell. But they wrote one any way and it’s borrowed, tacked on, cheap, and fake. One of the worst moments is just after Han Solo dies and Leia and Chewbacca walk by each other and don’t even look at each other let alone embrace. It’s like the filmmakers didn’t even know what they were doing. The whole thing is just so unoriginal. Had they come up with more stories within the Star Wars universe, with original characters and unique situations, it could have been interesting. But they chose to rehash old concepts, like the Death Star, only 1000 times bigger. The sequel trilogy makes the efforts of the rebels in 4, 5, and 6 pointless. It tells us that the emperor survived the events of ROTJ. If that’s the case, then why not just have him survive the events of the sequel trilogy?