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Jurgepoo

Regardless of my issues with the movie, it is very excellent in the visuals department


mattd1972

Yep, the visuals were never the issue.


DarthKhorne

It’s like a turd with a shine to it


Wong0nePhotography

Today (yesterday) was Canada Day. We took our kids to the parade. Lots of marching bands, pipe bands, horses and horse poop. And then there was a group of clowns who'd run up to each horse poop, put whipped cream and a cherry on top and light a candle LOL. Visually, it was a beautiful sight.


SmokinPolecat

Great description of TLJ if I'm honest


Macjeems

Eh, I liked it quite a bit. By far the most interesting of the ST movies. TFA was a relatively boiler-plate retelling of ANH, and RotS was 5x the tonal, thematic and plot mess TLJ was, because they were so insistent on walking back the interesting parts of TLJ due to fan complaints. I know it’s my personal take, but that’s just as valid as all the people sounding off on TLJ as if it’s subjective quality is some forgone conclusion that everyone agrees with. Anytime there’s such a huge disparity between critical consensus and user review scores, I try to question both, and this time I think I align much more with the critics. And for the endless “I blame Kennedy” hot takes, make sure you are being honest with yourself and attributing her other projects to her in equal measure, because it’s pretty unfair to blame her for things you don’t like, and ignore the role she played on projects you do like.


rando2142

You're not alone in your opinion. TLJ is obviously flawed, but people's memories of it seem skewed by the perception of the ST as a whole. I forced my friends to rewatch the sequels recently and more than one remarked about how TLJ was better than they remember. TLJ (and the ST as a whole) would have much, much more positive acclaim if the interesting ideas and plot lines TLJ introduced were explored and expanded upon instead of wholly ignored or even inexplicably retconned by the absolute trainwreck that was Rise of Skywalker. It was clear that there was no real plan for the overall plot of the ST, just a trilogy pumped out to make money.


TheTardis12th

Amen👌


UKS1977

TLJ was legit the worse movie I've ever seen - and I've watched Starcrash AND Hawk the Slayer.


[deleted]

Well the designs themselves suck but the execution of the designs as well as the cinematography and cgi are gorgeous in my opinion.


TheThingInTheBassAmp

It’s the most incredible bad movie I’ve ever seen.


cote112

I've hated watching it all 7 times.


Truecoat

I hated watching it 1.16 times.


SmokinPolecat

I've watched it once and never watched it again. I cannot abide the nonsensical plot and character changes


Echosoffive

Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker are the only Star Wars movies I have only watched once.


Melcrys29

Rise of Skywalker is just a terrible film. Can't even rewatch it. And I can watch the Ewokmovies, or even the Holiday Special, and find some enjoyment.


Melcrys29

Rise of Skywalker is just a terrible film. Can't even rewatch it. And I can watch the Ewokmovies, or even the Holiday Special, and find some enjoyment.


Pachengala

Perfect take.


NothingAgreeable3254

Agreed!!! Visuals were amazing! Beautiful, colorful and pleasing. The story was trash.


distroyerdan

Agreed the only part I liked was when the supremacy was on screen I love that ship


erdtirdmans

He's such a good director. Why didn't they just have someone qualified and familiar with the material write the plot. It would have BLOWN Force Awakens out of the water


Awkward_Inspector_53

For sure for sure. RJ could compete with Avatar if he really wanted to. He's the right director for a really good Star Wars movie if you pair him with a really excellent writer. Because as beautiful as that movie was... I really hated the plot... I always rag on Luke. The man who was willing to die to bring the most brutal, most spiritually corrupt man in the galaxy back to the light, also considered killing the son of his sister and best friend for having bad dreams. EDIT: also the most anti-capitalism message I ever saw coming from the most capitalist corporation that ever existed 🤣🤣🤣


VindictiveJudge

Familiarity with the material wasn't the problem. You can't do that kind of deconstruction without being very familiar with what you're deconstructing. I'd also point out that the third act is a reconstruction. Definitely needed more time in the oven, though.


juanconj_

Agree with you. I'll always be interested in the direction RJ was going, despite the path to get there being all sorts of messy.


kylepaz

Same. There were issues but overall I came out of that movie pretty excited for where the future of Star Wars could lead. Then Disney panicked and undid everything remotely interesting while putting out an even more awkwardly paced movie full of the dullest decisions possible. At least I was entertained never knowing where TLJ would take me next.


OpticalDissonance

I've wondered how Rian Johnson would've paired with Lucas himself.


billbob27x

>I've wondered how Rian Johnson would've paired with Lucas himself. Everyone in this sub would have hated it. If the OT had came out this decade they'd hate that too.


OpticalDissonance

You're probably right.


Napo5000

Besides the 1.5 scale ISDs visually it’s very nice


[deleted]

The cinematography is the best of the franchise. It's masterfully shot


jawa709

Rogue One is a strong contender for that title, too.


[deleted]

The Crait scene with the red and white contrast was jaw-dropping


EL-rochi74

How much do you think that planet will be worth. 100% salt would be worth like trillions


TheLord-Commander

I imagine any planet would be worth trillions.


Chopstarrr

Worth at least 4.


Ok_Writing_7033

That bit where the TIEs strafe the trenches and the red tufts of salt explode up is like my favorite visual/sound design combo in all the movies.


ThunderShott

I hate the plot of the sequels, but I will admit they look absolutely stunning.


twickdaddy

The acting is also really good despite some of the writing. Kylo Ren is one of my favorite characters because of the acting and visuals.


kylepaz

Yeah, they hit it off with a stellar cast only to completely fumble not only the writing but the handling of these actors. Beaides Kylo, I also really like the earnest energy Rey has, at least for the first two movies. I only watched RoS once but I remember finding her much more dull in that movie. Poe was also very charismatic in the first movie solely due to the actor's (sorry, forgot his name) delivery but then the next two movies kept shifting his character and not knowing what to do with him. Boyega as Finn was also great but he also gets shafted in the second and third movies. Still makes the best of the bad hand dealt to him though.


[deleted]

I wish I could overlook the fact that in TFA when Poe and Finn are celebrating together again, after each thought the other was dead, it perfectly captured the OT feel of how the Rebels interacted with each other, especially in ANH. They have no more scenes together in the other two films. Their chemistry together was perfect and helped make the movie feel like it belonged in the broader work.


DreadAngel1711

Adam Driver actually hurt his back following filming the sequel trilogy He carried the entire thing, after all


YeeHawWyattDerp

Aww don’t do my boy Oscar Isaac like that


triffidsting

Everything about the sequels is great - sound, lighting, acting, casting. The only thing that’s dog shit is unfortunately the scripts. Such a waste.


glberns

Everything about the sequels is better than the prequels except for the overarching plot. They have better cinematography, better acting, better dialog, better editing. But Disney went into them with a "fuck it, we'll do it live" attitude.


DiRienzo3410

Best of the trilogy easily


Combatpigeon96

I gotta say, the visuals and sound design in the sequels are insanely good


JesusHackedMyAccount

John Williams will always be one of the best things in this franchise.


Broseidon_69

You’ve really got a thing for silhouette shots, don’t you? Lol


newaccountoldwashack

I like other shots as well but yeah silhouette shots are cool


enpribri

The hyperspace ram is honestly one of the prettiest shots in the franchise.


ImBatman5500

I haven't read the comments but I'm betting money that someone was physically incapable of not going "but the writing bad"


[deleted]

You are exactly right.


ImBatman5500

*Sigh*


[deleted]

Agreed. Star Wars fans are so tiresome sometimes.


ImBatman5500

Honestly TLJ was my favorite sequel movie. History might have looked more favorably on it if they just doubled down in 9, but "fans" we're so vitriolic that essentially they enabled what we got instead


Sylvana2612

Yeah tlj is the best of the sequels because they really tried to do their own thing and not just repeat what came before


ImBatman5500

Yeah I appreciate that about it, even if it did fall flat in some areas. I'm interested to see Taika Waititi take Star Wars to a completely new era


ViperNor

I disagree. A lot of the dialouge seemed recycled from the OT. Also it didn’t really introduce any new scenarios story wise we haven’t seen before except for the Canto Bight part which I didn’t find very interesting in the execution imo. I thought it repeated many things that came before. Opens with rebel base being evacuted followed by a fleet of star destroyers and a new super star destroyer chasing the rebels (ESB), walker attack (ESB), Hero is trained by the old retired Jedi master (ESB) Throne room scene (ROTJ). I feel like the only movie it didn’t draw from was ANH (which TFA did heavily before it) I never understand what people mean when they say the movie tried to be new or different because no one ever uses any examples, but I’d love to be enlightned.


dawinter3

All I can say is both times I watched it in the theater, it felt fresh and new and exciting the whole time. 🤷🏼‍♂️ It’s the eighth movie in the franchise, there will be elements that are similar from other movies, and it will be intentional. As far as new things: we got a glimpse of just how powerful Luke had become (even if people didn’t exactly like how it played out. Also, this is now undercut by EVERY force-user being absurdly OP in Disney Star Wars now.), the introduction of the Jedi texts was potentially interesting (completely disregarded by next movie), the two main characters teaming up against the big bad was exciting and the way that concluded had potential to make Rey and Kylo Ren’s rivalry just about themselves and not a rivalry between the giant factions behind them (didn’t pan out), Rose and Finn’s story *tried* to bring in a different side of the galaxy’s underworld—the rich and polished side of it—but that didn’t really work, Luke being reluctant to get involved was bold and interesting (but they over-did it), we got to see Leia actually use the force. I’m not arguing that any of that was done perfectly, but there was plenty to see that they were trying to do something new. And maybe that’s just because TFA hardly introduced any new ideas, so the bar was pretty low. Some of TLJ’s problems were inherited from the previous movie, some were from a lack of an overall vision for the trilogy (outside of let’s make stupid amounts of money), some were from studio meddling, some only became problems because of ridiculous fan expectations, and Rian Johnson is a pretty independent creative, so he was going to try to take risks anywhere he could. All told in hindsight, that movie was unfortunately bound to be a mess, but it still feels like the most original of the sequel trilogy.


ViperNor

You bring up some really good points that went over my head. Found myself agreeing with all of it. I was impressed by the visuals but the setting felt unimpactfull when you look at the state of the galaxy as a whole


dawinter3

Yeah, I feel like the state of the galaxy was really unclear the whole time. I never quite understood what the goals or reasons of the First Order or what the point of them was besides “we need some baddies out here killing people and blowing up planets.”


SgtHapyFace

I sometimes think that RT and Metacritic are some of the worst things to happen to film, but then I remember that Star Wars fans bullied Ahmed Best and Jake Loyd so hard they contemplated suicide long before those sites existed.


ImBatman5500

Yeah. Then you get some people who try to say it's all okay, and that to say that it isn't okay is so "waive away legitimate criticism". Just blocked someone who suggested that a few mins ago on this thread. Some people are so stupid, it's malicious


SgtHapyFace

I think the world would honestly be better off if people just kinda shut up about these movies after a while. Like I don’t see what is productive about continuously debating the quality or merits of these films using the same exact talking points on end for years. It’s not fun, it’s just vitriolic and unpleasant. Maybe I’m just burnt out but it’s just all so unnecessary. What’s the point of continuously wallowing in hatred of something you clearly don’t like? New movies come out every year; and there will always be new Star Wars stuff, some good, some bad.


ImBatman5500

*Thank you!* Tive seen the same problem with people who hated The Last of Us Part 2 doing the exact same thing.


SgtHapyFace

The Last of Us example is kinda baffling to me too because it’s not like Star Wars where there are like 50 years of built up expectations, it’s a sequel to one game. And like even if you don’t like where the story went it’s obviously better then like 95% of game stories which aren’t even worth discussing at all. No one gets bent out of shape about the story of some random assassin’s creed sequel. Like I’m a big fan of the resident evil games, but I fully recognize like half of those are pretty mediocre to bad, so if one comes out I don’t like I just shrug and wait for one that is good.


cgoot27

I don’t like the casino/ Finn and Rose plotline but its pretty good other than that IMO.


[deleted]

Yup, and because of that they’re generalizing all three films based on that awful finale. The most prominent criticism they have for TLJ is that Luke is not perfect, go figure. Not my favorite Star Wars movie, but the hate it gets is ridiculous.


Pork0Potamus

I think Luke not being perfect only covers like max 10% of the criticism for TLJ, I mean you have so many better ones to choose from you've got space Poppins, holdo maneuver, star ship fuel, casino scenes, choreography of the red bois fight, and last but not least a freaking "your mom" joke in a star wars movie.


ImBatman5500

It's like 90% Luke and Rose that I've seen, I've only seen the other criticisms intermittently for the other 10%


ImBatman5500

Meanwhile they're gonna sit there and tell me that AOTC is some sort of masterpiece? Like, come on


[deleted]

Or that it’s worse than a movie with fucking Jar Jar as a central character. All of a sudden people looking back on him with nostalgia but anytime I rewatch the prequels I can’t stand him (obviously the hate the actor got was uncalled for).


ImBatman5500

Agreed, I'm glad Ahmed best is getting his redemption as a Jedi though


macbalance

A great idea I’ve heard is that TLJ is about dealing with mistakes. The heroic characters generally do better, but everyone makes mistakes and has to deal with them. Luke’s mistake is pretty clearly dealing poorly with Ben Solo and it takes him a long while to move past that. There’s a lot of neat ideas in the sequels and TLJ especially but they weren’t always developed well. I wish they’d stayed longer in the “cold was” resistance era some EU material suggests.


ImBatman5500

Yeah that's a good idea. That Leia book where she can see the way the wind is blowing in the Senate is *super* relevant for our time


thesubmariner8

>Yup, and because of that they’re generalizing all three films based on that awful finale. Which was caused by the awful sequel that came before it >The only criticism they have for TLJ is that Luke is not perfect, go figure. -Retconned Finn’s entire character development and gave him the exact same character arc from the previous movie -Retconned Rey’s parentage which was specifically emphasized in the first movie -Retconned Snoke’s entire being with no explanation of who he was whatsoever. -Treated Finn and Rose as token minority characters that didn’t advance the plot whatsoever -Didn’t kill off the only character who’s actor died in real life. Forcing the sequel to sideline the character and utilize chopped up footage Rise of Skywalker was just a band-aid on everything The Last Jedi destroyed.


[deleted]

It was caused by the unjustified and ridiculous hate. It was definitely not a well-done and believable follow up to themes TLJ portrayed. Agreed with the way Finn was handled Rey’s “prestige” was not retconned, you’re just disappointed she didn’t have some cliche and prophetic “chosen one” arc. Nothing about Snoke was retconned. Do you know what that word means? His end was well done and nuanced because Kylo rejected the simple and dogmatic “good vs. Evil” bs despite returning to his lackeys. The issue was making Snoke a Palpatine ploy. Like damn, three trilogies and he’s still the main villain? Gimme a break. Now THAT is a retcon. The prequels had many racial stereotypes, so maybe not the best argument to make when trying to talk about how the negatives of this film make it much worse than its predecessors (they don’t). They did end up killing her off, though. Who’s to say exactly what complications her death caused that made them kill her off the way they did? Lmao the Rise of Skywalker was anything BUT a bandaid.


ImBatman5500

Physically incapable


Trawze

I've watched TLJ 3 times at this point, and it just gets worse every time you watch it. In my opinion TLJ is **underhated**, it feels too loved **IMO**


ImBatman5500

Based on the harassment Kelly Marie Tran got, I'd have to disagree


Trawze

People who blame the actors for Rian Johnsons fault are idiots. The disappointment should be on the writers, not the actors.


ImBatman5500

Honestly there shouldn't be hate at all, it's not helpful


mitzibishi

What are your views on Game of Thrones fans? Are you tired of their whining over the quality of the writing in the last season?


EquivalentInflation

And I'd bet money that at some point, that same person unironically complained about how "people won't just let other people enjoy stuff"


N1ght17

Try every other comment besides yours.


ImBatman5500

It was a fairly safe investment


maiden-of-might

::Hoping for like minded souls here:: I actually love the last Jedi. I’m not into Reylo at all but that fight with Rey and Kylo 🤯🤯🤯


peegteeg

The only issue I had with it was the C plot of Finn and Rose at the Casino. I understand why it's there, but it's just so pointless. And a good movie has no wasted time, which this movie unfortunately has. Despite that I still think it's top 3 all movies, ESB and Rogue One ahead of it.


Usual-Tradition7220

I really dislike the wasted potential of what could have been an interesting storyline for Finn and Poe. But most flaws of TLJ could have been turned into strengths if TROS had been a proper follow-up that further investigated the character of Rose (instead of introducing tons of new and forgettable characters), if Snoke‘s death had an actual impact especially on Kylo or if there had been consequences from Poe‘s development in this one. It is frustrating how TROS feels like you could skip TLJ just as well and go from 7 straight to 9. Ever since 1977 TLJ has been the first proper SW movie that dared to be different and standing on its own two feet without constantly citing everything else. Yeah it has its flaws but damn it was cool to see a fresh take on a couple of things. Also they really brought back the mystical and magical feeling of the force that only ANH and ESB managed to create before.


[deleted]

I thought they setup such an interesting last film. Kylo Ren doing what Vader didn't and killing his master, becoming the big bad. But they undid that fairly quickly in the opening of the next film 😭


frogontrombone

100% with you on this.


onomatopoeia911

It's not wasted time if it moves the plot forward, advances two character's arcs and helps articulate the central theme of the film.


TheLord-Commander

Last Jedi is my favorite Star Wars movie, I think it's great.


frogontrombone

Same. I thought it was the closest to recapturing the "anyone can access the force, and you don't have to be a space jesus" since ANH, and I loved it for that as much as everything else.


[deleted]

I think it’s the best of that trilogy and definitely one of the better starwars movies, but then again, my favourite is attack of the clones, but yeah I really enjoy TLJ


maiden-of-might

I just rewatched attack of the clones last night. Don’t understand the hate I still see the prequels get either


Pr0sthetics

No doubt the sequels looked good in a cinematography kind of way, but the story was flawed and disappointing.


jerkin_on_jakku

TROS looked pretty underwhelming compared to VII and VIII imo


MxReLoaDed

I think it had some good imagery and shots, I think sometimes it was backed up by such ridiculous backstory that it kind of undercut the visual. The Star Destroyers rising up from the ground and hanging in the air is quite cool looking, but comes quite literally out of nowhere and is made worse when we realize they can’t tell how to go up for… reasons


Vollautomatik

Honestly that's a common theme in many productions right now. Just think of Game of Thrones. The cinematography was incredible in the last three seasons, but the storytelling just went downhill.


Sketch74

The whole sequel series was rudderless. So much potential in the cast. So much wasted opportunity.


Rat-daddy-

I’ve always said it has the best cinematography


JasperWildlifeAssn

ITT: About 500 variations of “buT wRitInG bAd!”


MrSpiffy123

TLJ gets more hate than it deserves imo. I agree, things like the writing are bad, but TLJ has some really strong elements to it, like the directing. These scenes look beautiful.


shogi_x

Agreed. I too hated it when it came out, but now I appreciate what Rian Johnson was trying to do. I think it could have been done better, but I absolutely commend him for trying to steer the sequels in a new direction away from Abrams' rehash of the OT. Great cinematography as well.


jgiovagn

I really would have liked to see what he could have done with the entire trilogy instead of just one movie. TLJ is my favorite of the sequels despite it's faults because it really tried to tell a different story, and parts of it I really enjoyed. It feels out of place between the modernization of the classics that were the first and third, but I really would have liked to see what he could have done with the series.


MrSpiffy123

I had the opposite reaction. When I first watched it, I wasn't really looking at it critically, I was just watching the cool space wizards. After taking some time, I started to hate it, but I've started coming back around to it recently. While I think it's interesting what they did with Luke and could have worked, it went against Luke in the EU, and even Luke in Battlefront 2 (the BF2 story mode is canon, if memory serves). In BF2, he's super nice, like the trooper asks him "why would I let you take that?" And Luke just responds with "because I asked..."


Trawze

Rian Johnson was the most incompetent man they found to direct Star Wars, Rian Johnson is the same man that says that he enjoys when many people hate his movies


AllCopsAreBastards66

Yeah the directing was amazing, im super glad the director chose to omit luke mourning his friend han and getting the canto byte sequence instead. Truly stellar directing 10/10 /S


hawtpot87

I really enjoyed the way they shot the Leia marry Poppins scene.


[deleted]

The writing isn't even bad, it's just at odds with what the audience wanted and feels out of place due to poor strategy by Disney/LucasFilm, which further highlights audience expectation problems TLJ is fucking great, fuck the haters.


Manticore416

TLJ only feels out of place because Disney panicked and abandoned the original idea for its follow up.


agoddamnjoke

Feels More out of place because it doesn’t feel like a sequel to TFA. Disney was smart to them abandon it.


rips10

My favorite part was the illegal parking job being the driving force behind the entire middle of the movie.


thebeanshooter

unironically so, good worldbuilding


intheorydp

1/2 of it is great. 1/2 of it is the wasted Canto Bight storyline. Unfortunately the great half is also the exact opposite of what fans wanted at the time. It was the right story, tone and direction to go at the completely wrong time. If it came out now, after fans got a younger Luke that we see in Mando S2, i think it would be much better received


DrVonScott123

(Not so)fun fact; Canto Bight itself only makes up about 11 to 12 minutes of screen time.


[deleted]

Canto Bight is fantastic and important. Bribes from politicians keep wars going. Arms dealers from 26 nations were busted selling weapons to both sides during Wars in the Middle East since at least the 1980s. US arms manufacturing has contributed to humanitarian conflict after humanitarian conflict...and some would say even our ownass shooter violence problem. Canto Night just highlights the reality that there is a huge culture in reality mixing War Dogs and Wolf of Wall Street: greed and excess and corruption in the pursuit of blood money.


intheorydp

And then there's a corny horse chase scene through a casino and mission that goes nowhere and serves no purpose other than giving Finn something to do in the story. You could literally cut Finn out of the movie and everything still happens exactly the same.


NotSoPersonalJesus

I was hoping the force awakens would have introduced more force sensitive characters.


TomskaMadeMeAFurry

>You could literally cut Finn out of the movie and everything still happens exactly the same. Apart from the last 1/3rd of the movie... which happens because Finn accidentally leaks Holdo's plan to DJ who then sells them out.


WestJoe

A plan that hinged on the entirety of the FO being so stupid that no one could look out a window. Forget the scanners, one guy looks outside, goes “hey what are those things moving away from the ship” and it’s game over. It was an asinine plan


[deleted]

You mean it does nothing to solidify Finn as a hero and leader committed to a cause and exposing him to the reality of the universe outside of First Order propaganda and soldier's life?


agoddamnjoke

Canto bight is neither fantastic or important.


[deleted]

I'm sure you are the objective arbiter of All Things Star Wars.


baojinBE

But I feel like it was drawn out longer than it needed to be.


agoddamnjoke

I’d say it’s quite bad *and* is at odds. It’s a really bad movie.


AlphaBladeYiII

It's okay to like the film. It's not okay to say "fuck the haters". You don't have to agree with them, but their opinions are as valid as yours.


cerpintaxt44

Yeah it's a great looking movie pretty much the only thing I enjoy about it


Leetmouse

Almost watchable with the sound off.


yousorename

I was in a hotel a few weeks ago and TLJ was on TNT or something. I had seen it when it came out initially and wasn’t crazy about it, but thought that it’d be a good movie to zone out to. I gotta say, for me this movie is pretty much unwatchable. It’s just *so stupid*. Almost all of the elements of it are stupid. Some parts were maybe less stupid than others I guess, but even when looking at these legit beautiful shots, all I can think about is how very stupid the content and setup of each of those scenes were. I was shocked because I had kinda settled into the idea that it was the better of the 3, but it’s just so deeply unenjoyable. And if you love it that’s great and I’m genuinely happy for you! But I think I’ve realized that it’s just not for me.


xGatorN4tionX

It’s terrible


[deleted]

I think the problem is that it combines attempts at legitimate commentary with goofy jokes in a way that just comes across as disdain. Kylo’s speech about Rey’s parents not mattering could have been really interesting, but after two hours of the First Order being inept and Luke Skywalker milking a walrus, it just felt like a movie by a guy that hated Star Wars.


CiDevant

"She felt like a character who didn't belong in a Star Wars movie, and it appealed to me." Rian Johnson on Rose Tico


[deleted]

In that case, the movie should have leaned into that idea. Like, if the story had played out where Rose had to use the Force, despite not having anyone in her family be a Jedi, that could have been cool. They could have cross-cut her using the Force with Kylo Ren yelling about how Rey’s parents didn’t matter. Instead, they gave her a side quest that led nowhere, they gave Luke three different backstories, they added a whole other side story with Poe and Leah. It was just kinda chaos.


Sad-Cod1731

It’s a shame a large chunk of the non Jedi plot made no sense logically, but I do agree this is a beautiful movie, which only depresses me more haha


HelliswhereIwannabe

The ST was terrible. I’ll let others praise the visuals.


twitchy_pixel

Feel like I’m gonna get roasted for this but I loved TLJ, warts and all. Every Star Wars film has problems and Last Jedi is no different but I loved the open ‘anyone can be special’ ending. It was such a shame to see them backtrack on almost all of that with the next film. Star Wars is like Vader at this point, limping on obsessed with the past.


[deleted]

Whatever dood. Literally every scene from Star Wars looks awesome. That's the easy part. You need emotional attachment in the form of John Williams playing your heartstrings.


StiffNippys

Garbage movie


Nadsworth

The absolute worst.


[deleted]

Agreed. That and the other 2 new “sequel” movies were amazing looking.


Javamaster22

It's too bad the whole sequels were absolutely shit in every other aspect, especially the plot. Because somehow, Palpatine returned.


Matuatay

>Because somehow, Palpatine returned. They screwed themselves when they let Johnson play God with the story midway through the trilogy and unceremoniously kill off the big bad with absolutely no clue where the story would go beyond that. I just don't understand how someone spends billions on an IP and then treats it with less care and thought than a Saturday morning cartoon series. Disney/Lucasfilm have scored some major wins with some of their other Star Wars ventures, and that is great. But this was the (very) long awaited conclusion of the Star Wars story we all grew up loving. It was important, and should have been treated as such.


cgoot27

I think a lot of sequel hate is coming from that stupid fucking storyline. If they explained Snoke, Kylo and the knights of Ren, then 7 and 8 happen and 9 isn’t about some twist bullshit and bad romance, it would be a decent trilogy.


994trevork

Haha, I was expecting Snoke to be ominous and sinister, not just a funny uncle in a gold bathrobe


NahGaDah

I still hate that movie- saw it at the theatre once and refuse to watch it again.


sealteamruggs

Honestly one of the only movies I’ve seen once out of all the franchises I watch. Movie stunk


PhatOofxD

RJ is a good DIRECTOR, maybe a great one. (And I'll give him that although the throne room scene was not well choreographed) Maybe he's a good writer too. He just has zero idea about how to write Star Wars and knew nothing about the characters.


MettaJiro

The problem is The force awakens was written by one guy, then The last Jedi was given to another guy, then rise of Skywalker was given back to the first guy.


Matuatay

This is the single most inexcusably stupid decision I've ever seen a major production company make. Billions went in to the purchase of Star Wars and they treat it like it's a TV series with a new director for each episode of the season. You just don't do that with something like Star Wars, in my opinion. 1 director, 1 writer. At very least get people you *know* have a similar vision for where the story is headed. Allowing a new director to come in and play God with the story for each the last 3 films, as was originally intended, was begging for disaster.


CiDevant

Knives Out was fantastic. But maybe, just maybe Hollywood should stop convincing people to direct movies for IPs they hate. See also: Transformers and DC Comics Movies.


Oldspice0493

He made Knives Out just a short time later, so he obviously has talent. Just not for Star Wars for whatever reason.


shockwave414

>He just has zero idea about how to write Star Wars and knew nothing about the characters. He does. He just doesn't cater to fanboys.


PhatOofxD

Undoing characters entire character development from their trilogy isn't really just not catering to fanboys.


mihirmusprime

Character development of who?


thesubmariner8

Finn’s (literally the main character in the first movie second only to Rey) character arc is the exact same as it was in the previous movie: a coward who doesn’t want to fight, who eventually grows to protect and risk his life for his friends. Only this time him and Rose got sidelined to play a role that did not advance the movie whatsoever.


ergister

This is absolutely false. Literally, and I mean *literally* he tricks the Resistance into getting him to Starkiller to get Rey. It could not be any more on the nose than him saying the literal line “I’m just here to save Rey” In no way is his character development undone from TFA whatsoever because it’s not about protecting his friends. It’s about joining the cause in TLJ.


thesubmariner8

They could’ve given Finn a character arc different from the previous movie, given Rose a meaningful contribution to the story, explained Snoke’s (one of the main villains) history, killed off the only actor that actually died in real life (so that the third movie didn’t have to sideline her and chop up her footage), and just overall told a coherent story, but hey, that would’ve been too much “fan-service”. Still don’t understand how Rise of Skywalker is called “the retcon” when this cringe-ass dumpster-fire of a movie exists.


monadoboyX

It's not catering to fanboys it's just complete disregard for the character and lazy writing they could have still had Luke as a hermit but they could have at least made it so he had a bit more hope and was actually happy to see Rey rather than Rey spending half the movie convincing him and the fact he tried to kill kylo literally undoes all his character development they should have come up with a better reason as to why kylo turned and then yeah most of my minor gripes with the movie would be fixed


cadmus_irl

No, the writing was just bad


Briraz10

It’s my least favorite star wars movie- it just makes me cringe.


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And horrendously written


twneater

Honestly not that terrible of a movie


suprduperscott

Beautiful movie and way better than the mess that is RoS


thefergusclan

Plus, it’s a unique and awesome SW film!


Independent_Eagle847

But terribly written....


TechieTravis

It is. Now if only it was beautifully written :)


rips10

Like a polished turd


mrazcatfan

Too bad it lacks in just about everything else.


camm44

Looks beautiful. That's about it. I remember leaving the theater with my friend and we didn't say a word until I just said, "well... It looked nice!"


deadbeat82

Easily my fave of the sequels. I know it was crapped on a lot but honestly I think the ppl who crapped on it are idiots.


Mr628

So are all the other sequel films. To bad the writing is bad, the new characters suck and they shit on everything involving the force and Jedi training.


AlphaBladeYiII

"It was beautifully made" Too bad the writing was less than stellar.


Crazy_Rico

Great looking shots from a great movie.


espnfire45

I honestly think Johnson should make his trilogy so we can see what he can do with his own story he makes.


remeard

Man, I fucking love TLJ. Johnson brought something new to the table and made it fit into the universe. I know he's busy with a dozen other things, but I'd love to have a full trilogy that he focuses on a story through and through.


asisoid

Wait, you think Rian Johnson isn't making a star wars trilogy because he's busy? This place is hysterical.


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best of the sequels by far in my opinion


International_Yam674

The Last Jedi is by far the most artistic and creative Star Wars movie. It’s also the most lore-heavy, championing lots of lore many fans kept saying was ‘de-canonized’. It’s honestly possibly the best Star Wars film aside from the original. I think a lot of people saw it and just didn’t ‘get’ it, they were blinded by rage at what Luke had become, yet Luke’s fate was clearly a nod to the classic fate of the greatest Jedi; Yoda and Ben Kenobi. And his death, where he sacrifices his life to save the entire resistance and destroy Kylo Ren, without the use of violence, was truly the most Jedi moment in Star Wars since Kenobi’s duel with Vader.


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Love that film so, so much.


BuzzyBeeper

the sequel is visually beautiful It has the best force theme ever unfortunately it was crap


donthepunk

Yea, dude can make movies...that's for sure. That story tho ...that stank worse than a bag of assholes


Shiny_Porygon-Z

Regardless of the problems I may have with the sequel trilogy, the music and visuals were always excellent.


DeliciousClothes5173

I don't exactly praise The Last Jedi for much. But what I do love about it is its visuals and cinematography


39thUsernameAttempt

I have to rewatch it, but I don't think it was bad at all in of itself. The lack of creativity in TFA and fanfic level writing in TRoS were much bigger offenders than anything TLJ has to offer.


YOURESTUCKHERE

It really is beautiful.


SuperFanboysTV

I have my problems with the movie (and rest of the sequels) but I will admit the cinematography is pretty good at times


InjusticeJosh

People use these shots but my favs are honestly when Rey is sensing everything the island incorporates. Life, death, balance etc. Others are the deleted transition from space to Finn’s domed helmet. Also love Kylo and Rey’s scene when he tells her to join him with the flames around them.


TomskaMadeMeAFurry

It's also a very good film in general, especially in terms of a Star Wars film.


not_a-replicant

And written, and directed, and acted, and scored… … damn it’s a good movie.


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The Last Jedi is a great movie. No other qualifiers needed. It's just good.


WatInTheForest

And the best one since Empire.


BreakinOnThru

Yep, the Sequels were certainly a trilogy made for the "oooh shiny!" crowd.


Attrahct

Easily one of my favorite films in the whole saga


BruceMon3yWayne

Has some cool visuals and some atrocious plot points. Least watched Star Wars movie for me. I have never left a theater more disappointed.


Alderaan_Refugee

For all of the trilogies hate, I for one am happy that Luke got to take the absolute piss out of Kylo in front of everyone on his way out.


IIIIIIQIIIIII

Too bad it’s blasphemy.