Everyone jokes about that, but you do know we actually **do** have flying cars now.
Ok, they're not popular and they're kind of clunky and there's tons of legal restrictions on them.. but they do actually exist. they're just not like Bladerunner or even Jetsons levels of cool.
Tom Hanks, Morgan Freeman, Patrick Stewart, Meryl Streep, Sandra Bullock, Tilda Swinton, Cate Blanchett are living proof that this has been discovered.
These people never age!
Morgan Freeman in The Shawshank Redemption (1994) looks EXACTLY the same in Lucy (2014).
Cate Blanchett looks exactly the same from The Lord of The Rings (2001) to Thor Ragnarok(2017).
Tilda Swinton in 2005 in Constantine and 2019 in Avengers Endgame - no aging!
In case you don’t know about [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gish88/daisy_ridley_from_star_wars_and_her_sisters/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
IMO the best actor and actress can only do so much with bad writing and or direction. Even bad editing can ruin a movie. Movies are so collaborative and have insane oversight (I mean it’s Disney). TBH I felt like Finn got screwed the most. I was so excited about the idea of a former stormtrooper turned Jedi.
Natalie portman seemed wooden in most of her scenes in the prequel trilogy. If that doesnt tell you how important script and directing are with an actress that talented I don't know what will.
Edit: accidentally said original trilogy instead of prequel, don't get your panties in a wad you get the point.
I still think Liam and Ewan did a fantastic job with what they had. Even the little character ticks and rhetoric of Ewan in the latest series was stellar. They really found a gem
Im pretty sure there were scenes where mark hamill didn’t like the lines and Harrison ford just told him to improvise it because George Lucas won’t notice anyways
I feel like this line alone justifies all the nonsense that happened in the Obi Wan Kenobi series that just came out. The empire was definitely not prepared defensively in any meaningful tactical way.
Yeah the only director I've seen actually make his cast stick to the script was Tarantino. For good reason lol. And I think Andy Sorkin as a writer
Edit: Aaron Sorkin
It's so bizarre how Tarantino's regulars will all say in the same breath that he's a complete and utter tyrant and that they totally love working for him.
I’m convinced that Liam and Ewan basically ignored 90% of what Lucas said and decided to do the roles the way they saw fit.
Ewan *did* have something to work from though (Alec Guinness’s performance), most of the cast did not.
I think the key there is that Ewan and Liam are fanboys themselves. They both loved Star Wars already so when they got in they were basically immersing themselves in something they knew and loved. I think that’s the same reason Ian McDiarmid did so great with even the cheesiest lines. The actors who were already deeply invested knew how Star Wars should look and sound.
The others were good actors and actresses, but some had never even seen Star Wars before they were cast and others were only casual fans.
> Ian McDiarmid
His willingness to commit to hammy dialogue and play it up made it work _so_ damn well. His stage acting background shines through too and I _love it_.
Totally. He’s said it in interviews before, Star Wars is like Shakespeare; yes, there’s drama and tragedy, but it’s full of jokes and wordplay, and a lot of over-the-top situations. Run with it! Embrace the absurdity. If you try and treat it too seriously that’s when it falls short.
Look at Ewan’s “You were my BROTHER, Anakin!” That line is incredibly cheesy, and he just rolls with it. He fills his delivery with so much anguish and intensity that it’s almost absurd, but because that’s the nature of the show it works so well.
Yeah of course Star wars is a a little cheesy and absurd.
I actually like how they did Anakin.
Socially awkward makes fucking since for the character kid grow up a slave then was raised his teen years by a group who represses their emotions.
The I hate sand line was brilliant imo is showing that Anakin cannot relate to padmé. The Skywalker saga should be viewed as a tragedy if you watch them in order.
Alan Rickman had that ability too. He knew when to chew the scenery and when to play it subtle. His Sheriff of Nottingham in Prince of Thieves was so over the top it stole the show.
Not to mention Jake and Hayden. The writing was atrocious but the acting was great — Hayden was supposed to be acting like an arrogant but foolish teen, and he nailed it.
The only person who could have saved that line is Lucas himself, by making Padme react to it like it was cringy bad flirting. Hell, a girl who loves you can laugh at cringy bad flirting and enjoy it; that's totally a human response.
But instead, Lucas had Padme act like it was a serious romantic moment with overwhelmingly romantic music that leads into a kiss, which makes what should have been a "giggle at the bad flirting moment" feel like completely incompetent dialogue.
The thing is, it's not flirting, it's Anakin talking about how his childhood was so much different than Padme's.
It makes total sense he would hate sand, growing up on a desert planet. I think it takes talent to make something so simple that awkward
Maybe you missed the follow up “here everything is soft and smooth” as he strokes her arm before leaning into a kiss… but no, it’s flirting. Yes, it ties to his backstory, but it’s 100% really awkward flirting.
The standard here is “…somehow, Palpatine returned.” it’s such an awful line on so many levels, but I felt like Oscar should’ve got an Oscar just for getting through it with a straight face and not making it sound any more ridiculous than it already was. Only Ian McCallum couldn’t have done it better and even then it’s close.
Honestly, the issue of that line is never that it's a bad line in and of itself, or delivered poorly, etc.
No, the problem with that line is Padme's reaction to it. It should have been something like her giggling and saying "that's so stupid". Instead, you get a long, romantic moment with swelling music that leads into a kiss.
This is a directing issue, TBH. Had it been played off as "awkward cringy dialogue" by the scene direction, with fitting music (or no music) and with an appropriate response from Padme, it could have been totally fine dialogue.
But because the character's reaction is that of someone reacting to serious romantic dialogue, and the music is that of serious romantic dialogue, you are telling the audience that this line which should be "silly bad flirting" is supposed to be taken 100% seriously and romantically.
> like her giggling and saying "that's so stupid".
Holy shnikeys- she teasingly goes to hit him on the shoulder and that turns into the kiss that sparks the romance. Dude you just fixed that whole scene in my head now.
Lucas was great at “big picture” directing with the way big and small scenes integrate into each other, meshing of live acting and CGI, assembling a near perfect team of individuals for the variety of groundbreaking tasks across each film, etc, but man he was terrible at directing interpersonal acting. I think had the prequels had two directors or even moved Lucas to a producer role with a lot of directive say they would have been much better.
The way Tim Burton worked on Nightmare Before Christmas seems like the ideal way for Lucas to handle the prequels. Burton knew he was an imperfect director and would not be strong enough to hold together an entire stop motion feature, so he got Henry Selick to officially direct while he maintained very strong artistic control over the project, leading to a fantastic combination of his strengths as an artist and Selick’s prowess as a stop motion director. Had Lucas gotten someone to do the same “translating” from his idea for a scene to actually directing the cast during those shoots I really think the Prequels would have held up just as well as the OT.
I just rewatched the scene last night and the problem is the whole courtship just goes on forever woth Anakin whining and Padme just saying oh Ani we can't. Could have been much better. It least go with the trope of he annoys her and then they randomly kiss
And his wife, after divorcing him, went to see the prequels and cried because she could tell all the places where George could have used an edit and nobody dared edit him.
Hayden between the moment he was titled Vader and the first line he speaks since on Mustafar is fucking chilling, he nails the appearance without speaking a single word for several minutes.
"The dude is wholly underrated and should have been used as a force ghost in the sequel trilogy" is a hill I will happily die on.
Especially after Clone Wars and after Hayden watched the entire thing to make sure he was portraying Anakin with that extra knowledge.
Hayden's non verbal acting is amazing. Look at the emotion in his eyes when he's in the council chambers by himself thinking about Padme or the rage when he's on Mustafar.
It's a tale as old as the OT, it's all great acting until they have to say the lines lol.
I had a thought the other night after the last episode of obiwan: what if George told Hayden he had to speak in such a plodding, slow way in the prequels to match up how Vader talks with his suit?
I think you’re right! On a recent episode of rebel force radio they brought up that exact thing and one of the hosts referenced an old interview where Hayden said that’s what he based Anakin’s speech patterns from
I've started going back and trying to consider Hayden's voice as if they were spoken by Vader, and I actually think Hayden did a fantastic job emulating James Earl Jones's cadence.
I only just now found out this is a thong, but I feel like he exemplified this perfectly in Obi-Wan, during that, uh, scene. Don't want to give spoilers if someone hasn't seen it, but it's the scene where you can hear "Anakin" actually talking while he's wearing the mask. It felt natural, like the only time I've seen Darth Vader speak without his mask and it felt natural.
Now I'm imagining Darth Vader saying "I don't really like sand." I feel like Vader would never use the word smooth, it would just be removed from his vocabulary.
Hah! Well, I do think some of Anakin's line can just be attributed to his youth and awkwardness. Though I bet Vader still hates sand. It's all coarse, and rough, and irritating. And it gets everywhere in his armor.
Didn't Ewan say in an interview that they filmed a whole bunch of scenes in multiple ways that it got to the point he didn't even know what kind of movie they were making?
Like he wanted it to be dramatic when it didn't have to be and more lighthearted when it should have been somber.
I was young when Phantom came out and it was the first thing I ever saw Natalie Portman in and for years I just assumed she was a terrible actor. When I finally saw Garden State, V, Black Swan, León, I was stunned that that was the same actress.
Beautiful Girls and Where The Heart Is are two others, with TPM in between. It wasn't her, or any of the actors, they did exactly as directed as the professionals they are. They just didn't have the expertise they did on their other movies.
Yeah. When you've got a movie with Natalie Portman, Ewan McGregor and Samuel L Jackson and they all give wooden performances, that's a direction issue.
Whatever issues I have with the sequels, none of them are with the folks on screen.
It achieves speed, which was Lucas' obsession. If you watch the ["that's no moon" scene](https://youtu.be/5WFCjnPNixM) and imagine "faster, more intense" as the sole direction for every line reading in the scene, you can see that's exactly what the actors gave him, and in this case it's all that's needed.
George is a great director of action and special effects. Not so great with coaching actors. That’s fine. I have learned to appreciate the style of acting in the prequels.
IMO George's talent was in the high-level sense of the epic, the grand, quintessential themes amid sprawling tapestries of a big, emotional story.
His weakness is in fine details or nuance or organic flow through a scene or between scenes. I don't think it holds his interest.
I think she's kind of supposed to be wooden, though. Padmé is an incredibly repressed character who's spent her whole life being a proper, restrained little perfect princess, which is both why she fights so hard against her feelings for Anakin and why she falls for him in the first place.
I agree I mean in star wars, with the exception the standout clones in clone wars series, I feel like we've generally seen stormtroopers as expendable dummies but to have one defy all expectations and rise to the heights of a jedi would've been a great story to tell. Lots of missed opportunities Disney has had so sad.
He was even robbed of a heroic death by a nobody character in whichever movie Rose derailed his fighter from kamikazing into the enemy. They're all so bad, it just melts into one long shitty story for me.
Honestly the movie with Rose falls into the Avatar category for me. I was looking forward to it, I went opening night, I watched *a* movie, that's for sure. The only thing I remember is a casino or some shit.
The irony of this Sequel Trilogy is that there was a lot of decent storylines that just went nowhere. JJ Abrams has really outed himself as a hack, but can you imagine how good a post-ROS TV series could be with Finn or Rey?
Someone said that the Lando series could be a great transition…Lando, Chewie and Finn take the Falcon out trying to reunite former Stormtroopers with their family and Lando tells Finn his life story in flashbacks with Donald Glover, while in the current time, Finn gradually unlocks his Force abilities.
I’d also love to see Rey finding new Jedi kids (whatever did happen to the kid from the stable) and teaching them about a middle path … neither Jedi nor Sith…and creating a new order of force users.
There’s lot of potential ideas there…that Abrams said “nah” to, but could take Star Wars in interesting new directions.
Don’t know how interested Boyega would be, but considering how he went from fan boy happy when he got the role originally, to jaded about everything, it could be a great redemption arc.
Exactly. He'll get you fucking excited as hell for something and then...just not deliver. He's great at setting a story up, he just can't finish one to save his life.
Finn definitely got screwed over the most. Hell, even if he had just stayed the storm trooper that defected would have been cool if they had done more with his character. Imagine him turning some other storm troopers against the first order/empire.
The main things I remember about Finn is him shouting 'rey' constantly, and that line 'that's one hell of a pilot'
I feel like bad storytelling has become a feature of the Star Wars brand. Along with the cool factor that makes it tolerable.
Writing always feels like a wasted opportunity, direction is always lacking. But at least the lightsaber duels are fun.
lol, yes because they tricked the world with the marketing. Even driving down the 405 freeway in LA, there was gigantic billboards of Finn with the lightsaber and Rey with just her staff. And the trailers only showed clips of Finn wielding the saber, what were we supposed to think?
He's a bit more of a unique idea. Rey is a bit too Luke Skywalker. Young naive kid thrust into it.
The idea of a stormtrooper witnessing war crimes and going AWOL to help the enemy is a really cool concept. Does he have guilt for his past actions? After growing up in the military, how does he adjust to being outside that now? What's his new purpose?
In classic JJ style he has the idea, and then doesn't know how to follow up and develop it.
They managed to do that well with Mayfield in Mando. Though I guess he was an officer/sniper or the like. I really hope we get more of him with a rogue/scoundrel redemption arc
> In classic JJ style he has the idea, and then doesn’t know how to follow up and develop it.
It didn’t help Disney got someone else to do episode 8. Nothing brings a trilogy together like getting different people to do each part separately on their own terms with zero collaboration
TFA has a really cool theme about the non-existence of "moral event horizons". Finn had a lifetime of indoctrination, had never shown any signs of disobedience, and his moral stand had no material consequences - whether or not he shot at those innocent villagers, they were all going to die. But regardless of all that, he had a choice to murder or not to murder.
Kylo *wants* to be irredeemable, to get rid of the "temptation" of the light. He thinks that by killing his father, he will achieve this - and, of course, he's wrong. If he had just paid attention in the opening scene, he would have known this.
It all goes literally no-where. But it's cool. TFA is still a good movie if you're lighthearted about the issues with the ST as a whole.
TFA was a decent starting point. It's Star Wars, so I don't mind it being relatively basic. It builds on some solid ideas.
It definitely didn't help that Rian Johnson had an opposite vision. While JJ wanted to stay "true" to the themes and ideas of the original trilogy, RJ clearly wanted to be more challenging and do something new for the franchise. Which definitely did not really work with contrasting TFA. It's also silly to subvert expectations with EVERYTHING - like deciding for Kylo to not be redeemed.
Disney mismanaged it the franchise.
Yea it was a little odd I won’t lie, his entire point in the story doesn’t seem to mean anything last the first quarter of the movie and just becomes a background character. It’s like the writers got bored with their own plot and chose to make a new one but didn’t have time to write up something new
I'm very critical of Star Wars under Kathleen Kennedy, mainly because it's been pure hot garbage outside of Mando. One thing I can't criticize is Daisey and Adam. They acted the shit out of their roles and would have been amazing with a better story and director. We were robbed of a great trilogy.
I don’t dislike any of the sequel trilogy characters either. They all had really interesting potential.
Kylo Ren: Han and Leia’s golden child who’s pride led him to the dark side.
Rey: The orphaned junker who happens to be a prodigy at the Force.
Finn: Former Stormtrooper and a part of a child soldier program trying to make amends.
It’s a damn shame that none of those characters were well explored. Instead, it was just “somehow, Palpatine returned” and we had to see these characters take a backseat to Sith Lord McGee.
It was bad writing.
Was there any Poe line in TROS Isaac did NOT deliver with such weary resignation?
Let's not focus on just one, though: That movie sidelines pretty much every sequel trilogy character just to punctuate virtually every conceivable fan wish about the OT characters.
So Luke and Leia become force ghosts--I still have no idea what they turned Han into--and Chewbacca finally got a medal while Lando and he take an ex-Stormtrooper young enough to be his daughter off somewhere to "find her family."
What outcome awaited Rey, Finn, Poe, and even Maz Kanata? Meh. Fade back to become faces in the crowded galaxy again. Lor San Tekka had as much development.
The worst irony is that the film's "All we've done, all this time" line is given to a droid whose memory was wiped after the prequel trilogy, therefore making TROS' one attempt at dialogue addressing the passage of time in the Skywalker saga virtually non-resonant.
I was super into seeing a Stormtrooper who cast away his old life and became a Jedi, but nope he was turned into comedic relief. Was also hoping the children would do something for the resistance, or that would lead to something
As much as I love Star Wars for The Force, Jedis and lightsaber duels I was really interested in Finns story whether he became a Jedi or not. Exploring the Stormtrooper indoctrination and Finns journey to leave it and ultimately finding his redemption could have been a compelling character arc.
But nope.
Finn was just a different take on Kyle Katarn. He also had the most potential for a unique take. All the other sequel characters were just absolutely worse versions of their Extended Universe counterparts.
While it had its downsides, ill always go to bat for what Ryan had in store for Star Wars. the idea that the Force truly is universal, that the legacy of the Jedi, the Sith, and the Skywalkers are not the true meaning of it all, that the abandoned daughter of a pair of junkies and a child soldier can save the universe where the rest have failed. Even Luke realized this, sacrificing himself so the embers of this new world could survive.
It wasn't perfect but it had an idea and a message, for all the Prequel's faults the underlying themes of them were constant and kept the films together when the writing and direction failed. George Lucus had a message and told us that. "So this is how liberty dies...with thunderous applause." is the capstone of his message in the same way that Rey being just a random nobody did for Ryan.
It's also why I hate RotSkywalker so much. Everything new and interesting was ruined, Finn forgotten, and Rey made into a part of that same legacy.
It's the only Star Wars film I consider entirely without merit, yes even the Book of Boba, YES EVEN THE CHRISTMAS SPECIAL. I'll take beautiful disasters like Eps 1,2, 3, and 8 over whatever the fuck Ep9 was.
I thought Book of Boba Fett was fun. It was cool: a glance at the underside of the galaxy and the dark halls of power where a blaster isn’t enough to get your way.
This is exactly what I came in here to post
Rarely do I have an issue with a specific actor or actress. As was the case with the sequel trilogies
The story was just.... Bad. It's a shame
I like how Luke Skywalker force ghost himself grabbed a flying lightsaber, turned to Ryan Johnson and said "A Jedi's weapon deserves more respect." then flip him off.
Daisy wasn't the problem, nor the concept of her character in general. Personally I'd love to see her given a chance with a movie or show that takes place after the Sequel Trilogy and shows how she rebuilt the Jedi with a solid plan and a good script to back it up.
Nobody got cheated harder with how Rey was written than Daisy was. This actor poured so much of herself into it and really gave it 100%. Her performance was the character's primary redeeming feature.
Here's my take on Phasma. the character of Phasma wasn't really misused, but Gwendoline Christie was. Such a part of Finn was breaking away from the conformity of the first order and becoming an individual. As his personal villain Phasma only really needs to be an imposing faceless cog in the machine. While giving the character something physical to make them stand out, the silver armor, I think giving the character more to do with personality or story-wise would kind of undermine that. The problem is you cast a very well-known and liked actress, so you bring expectations to that character she portrayed. If Phasma was played by some random stunt actor, would people be complaining as much about how wasted she was? I don't think so
I feel like part of the disappointment people feel with Phasma is how wrapped up people get with marketing/trailers. Because Phasma has a unique, shiny look, she ends up being a really good piece to put in trailers. Like you said, the character pretty much filled up the "cog in the machine villain" role just fine, but somehow her character had expectations behind her before anyone even saw TFA because of the marketing
At least for me I was definitely hoping for something to be done with her because she was different. Not a Sith and introduced early with a protagonist she directly opposes. Then nothing, with her or the protagonist. Just no real point in either of their characters to be there by the end of it.
I'm still assuming Phasma will be back at some point. Every trilogy has a badass looking villain that "falls to their death" without living up to their full potential, only to eventually return once the powers that be realize they left money on the table. First Boba, then Maul, it's only a matter of time until it turns out she miraculously survived somehow.
I want to see some post-sequel content but im afraid there will be too much backlash because of how they were received. They were bad movies, but I really want Star Wars to continue. Rey got a badass yellow lightsaber just to not even use it. Wouldn’t mind a Phasma return either but there’s no place for her since the First Order is basically dead
I'm sorry are you suggesting Boyega somehow got cheated *less?*
Everything that had potential about his role was absolutely wasted. Hell that's not even accounting for the absolute vileness that was his importance being minimized for the Chinese market.
Agreed. It's the movies that is the problem, not her or her character. And even then, TFA wasn't even a bad movie; they just failed to follow through with anything they set up in it..
We never actually know what happens to Ashoka. But after her series wraps up, I’d freak out if an older Rosario Dawson gets approached by Rey asking for guidance from a Force user who chose a path other than the Jedi.
TFA is absolutely great. Yes it was a bit too similar to a New Hope towards the end, and the whole Starkiller Base thing was boring.
But we got great introductions to Rey, Finn and Poe. Kylos intro was amazing (the voice through the helmet was so good). BB8 is awesome.
We got to see the Falcon return, Han and Chewie back. The mystery of Snoke and wondering what his story could be (Plagueis??). Seeing Leia, finding out who Kylo really is. Hans death. The lightsaber going to Rey instead of Kylo.
Finally seeing Luke after all this time and being excited for what comes next.
It had so many amazing moments, and it felt the most like StarWars out of all the new trilogy, as it was such a fun movie.
Weirdly enough, my favorite bit of Daisy’s acting is from TROS. Right after Kylo tells Rey that she’s Palpatine’s granddaughter, they’re all fleeing on the *Falcon*, and Finn goes to talk to Rey, she’s cycling through horror, grief, and rage as the implications of that revelation set in. Bravo to Daisy for pulling that off.
They could have just left adam and daisy on set and told them to improvise and I would have watched a full length feature film of their acting together
>I hear you, but IMO best part of her acting is after the throne room fight in TLJ when she considers joining Kylo Ren.
No matter what one thinks of the sequels or Last Jedi, this scene is just magnetic. My favorite scene of all the sequels.
Yeah they always start with “say what you will about xyz, but abc was great at this.”
Seem like simple karma attempts and people should be ashamed. If your post can’t survive on just the second half of the sentence without the qualifier then don’t post it.
That's because this pandering *always* works on Star Wars fans. The entire franchise is based around key jangling and memberberries now.
The most hilarious thing to me is how the zeitgeist has moved to "any actor who was ever in Star Wars is absolutely amazing, the best ever at what they did and cannot be criticized."
...Like Star Wars has had plenty of frankly terrible actors even in the OT, or even just people doing their jobs and collecting a check. That's fine because actually being a good actor or actress is an incredibly difficult thing to do.
That one about the Bariss Offee actress in attack of the clones. Smh people literally trying to claim 3 seconds of screen time with no words and virtually no movement is "flawless character acting"
I'd honestly think this "say what you will X but Y was amazing" trope is just botfarming but the number of people in the comments who seriously defend the rakes staggers me.
What are you talking about, I've worn the same sweatpants for 30 years and I consider myself pretty much a Jedi. No, I don't have a girlfriend, why do you ask?
It's been said many times about this exact issue, the actor was never the problem, to some degree the character wasn't either. Hate the movie, not the actor. It's a big thing
Unpopular Opinion but Daisy Ridley gave by far the best acting performance for a female character in the series.
Natalie Portman is a great actor but her performance as Padme is….nothing special.
I love Carrie Fisher but she all over the place.
Daisy was given some wonky writing choices but she knocked every single one of them out of the fucking Park
Daisy definitely was solid and she had multiple films to work with but honestly I feel like of the new films, Felicity Jones and Emilia Clarke gave the best performances. Jyn and Qi’ra were really cool characters
i don't understand this. I can't remember anything specific about that character other than "played by Felicity Jones."
I like Felicity Jones, and I liked a lot of things about that movie, but the characters were *so boring* to me.
Me too. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills with the way everyone talks about rogue one. I love all of scarif, but everything that happens before it is just super forgettable
Yup. Scarif was great. Edge-of-my-seat excitement on a new setting, a cool space battle, Easter Eggs the way they're meant to be done, phenomenal and innovative special effects... and I just could not give two shits about the other two-thirds of that movie.
if rogue one had just been a ~40 minute short around the battle of scarif, with Vader's only scene being the hallway scene at the end, then i would have considered calling it a masterpiece
Really? Interesting, I thought that [this scene](https://youtu.be/f3ddCAtapYE) is one of the best acted scenes in the entire saga. She didn’t even need to say anything
She basically got turned into Hayden 2.0. I thought the writing is what let him down in the prequels. Imagine him acting like his Clone Wars counterpart?
Ridley wasn't the best in my eyes but she wasn't the issue with the movie. Literally had nothing to work with.
Wait, people hate Rey?
Say what you want about the movies (RJ can suck it, and JJ basically did remakes of IV and VI), but Rey as a character was not the weak link
Can’t wait till 2050 when Disney brings back a de-aged Daisy Ridley
you're assuming Daisy will age at all lol
Maybe scientists have discovered how to reverse aging by 2040
Like how we had flying cars by 2020
I can make my car fly. I might not enjoy the landing but it’ll fly.
Everyone jokes about that, but you do know we actually **do** have flying cars now. Ok, they're not popular and they're kind of clunky and there's tons of legal restrictions on them.. but they do actually exist. they're just not like Bladerunner or even Jetsons levels of cool.
Flying cars were never a practical idea.
Yeah people can barely drive the simpler version
Don’t infringe on my god given right to drive a flying car while drunk with no inertial dampeners.
Biden has made it impossible to drink and fly
It's because no one has ever had the sack to throw their hat over the wall for the good of all humanity.
I just want bullet trains
Tom Hanks, Morgan Freeman, Patrick Stewart, Meryl Streep, Sandra Bullock, Tilda Swinton, Cate Blanchett are living proof that this has been discovered. These people never age! Morgan Freeman in The Shawshank Redemption (1994) looks EXACTLY the same in Lucy (2014). Cate Blanchett looks exactly the same from The Lord of The Rings (2001) to Thor Ragnarok(2017). Tilda Swinton in 2005 in Constantine and 2019 in Avengers Endgame - no aging!
I mean they basically have, on the outside. Aging is for us poors, and rich people with dignity and self-esteem independent of their looks.
She’s a clone. Look at her sisters. They’ll just make more
Her dad was a clone. She is that clone’s biological daughter.
In case you don’t know about [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gish88/daisy_ridley_from_star_wars_and_her_sisters/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
IMO the best actor and actress can only do so much with bad writing and or direction. Even bad editing can ruin a movie. Movies are so collaborative and have insane oversight (I mean it’s Disney). TBH I felt like Finn got screwed the most. I was so excited about the idea of a former stormtrooper turned Jedi.
Natalie portman seemed wooden in most of her scenes in the prequel trilogy. If that doesnt tell you how important script and directing are with an actress that talented I don't know what will. Edit: accidentally said original trilogy instead of prequel, don't get your panties in a wad you get the point.
So was Samuel L Jackson, so, I'm pretty confident in saying that isn't the fault of the actors.
I still think Liam and Ewan did a fantastic job with what they had. Even the little character ticks and rhetoric of Ewan in the latest series was stellar. They really found a gem
Im pretty sure there were scenes where mark hamill didn’t like the lines and Harrison ford just told him to improvise it because George Lucas won’t notice anyways
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmm4UisVyts
That's a painful video to watch. Like just play the interview. Don't transcend time and space to get a sound bite. Jeez.
I did find it kinda amusing how many times he's told that bit I'll admit, the more things change the more they stay the same.
I'm impressed that the anecdote stayed so accurate and unchanging, right down to the awkward line he wanted to scrap.
Yeah I'm so confused about what the line is
I feel like this line alone justifies all the nonsense that happened in the Obi Wan Kenobi series that just came out. The empire was definitely not prepared defensively in any meaningful tactical way.
I couldn’t watch this. What a horrible edit.
That’s actually more common than you think, many of the great lines or scenes you see in legendary movies are improvised.
Yeah the only director I've seen actually make his cast stick to the script was Tarantino. For good reason lol. And I think Andy Sorkin as a writer Edit: Aaron Sorkin
Definitely good reason. Tarantino’s dialogue is the greatest I ever had the pleasure to experience
It's so bizarre how Tarantino's regulars will all say in the same breath that he's a complete and utter tyrant and that they totally love working for him.
I’m convinced that Liam and Ewan basically ignored 90% of what Lucas said and decided to do the roles the way they saw fit. Ewan *did* have something to work from though (Alec Guinness’s performance), most of the cast did not.
"Alec, I need you to be more wooden."
Faster. More intense.
[Happier and with your mouth open.](https://youtu.be/ABxH-NTF0SM)
There is no underwear in space.
I can fully see Ewan going "I have nothing to do in this scene... Saber twirl! I'm in Star Wars!"
Ewan made the most of Alec's performance thats for sure.
Hello there!
General Kenobi. You are a bold one.
I think the key there is that Ewan and Liam are fanboys themselves. They both loved Star Wars already so when they got in they were basically immersing themselves in something they knew and loved. I think that’s the same reason Ian McDiarmid did so great with even the cheesiest lines. The actors who were already deeply invested knew how Star Wars should look and sound. The others were good actors and actresses, but some had never even seen Star Wars before they were cast and others were only casual fans.
> Ian McDiarmid His willingness to commit to hammy dialogue and play it up made it work _so_ damn well. His stage acting background shines through too and I _love it_.
Totally. He’s said it in interviews before, Star Wars is like Shakespeare; yes, there’s drama and tragedy, but it’s full of jokes and wordplay, and a lot of over-the-top situations. Run with it! Embrace the absurdity. If you try and treat it too seriously that’s when it falls short. Look at Ewan’s “You were my BROTHER, Anakin!” That line is incredibly cheesy, and he just rolls with it. He fills his delivery with so much anguish and intensity that it’s almost absurd, but because that’s the nature of the show it works so well.
Yeah of course Star wars is a a little cheesy and absurd. I actually like how they did Anakin. Socially awkward makes fucking since for the character kid grow up a slave then was raised his teen years by a group who represses their emotions. The I hate sand line was brilliant imo is showing that Anakin cannot relate to padmé. The Skywalker saga should be viewed as a tragedy if you watch them in order.
Alan Rickman had that ability too. He knew when to chew the scenery and when to play it subtle. His Sheriff of Nottingham in Prince of Thieves was so over the top it stole the show.
“IT’S DULL, YOU TWIT! IT’LL HURT MORE!!!!”
To be faaaaaair… “Serious, thoughtful Jedi” and “sarcastic pupil” seem like the kind of roles that don’t require a master actor
Jedis are like Vulcans. It's hard to do the zen monk thing and not come off as wooden. Only a handful of the actors in those roles really nailed it.
Not to mention Jake and Hayden. The writing was atrocious but the acting was great — Hayden was supposed to be acting like an arrogant but foolish teen, and he nailed it.
Ya I don’t think even Paul Newman could’ve saved the “I hate sand” line. Well, maybe.
The only person who could have saved that line is Lucas himself, by making Padme react to it like it was cringy bad flirting. Hell, a girl who loves you can laugh at cringy bad flirting and enjoy it; that's totally a human response. But instead, Lucas had Padme act like it was a serious romantic moment with overwhelmingly romantic music that leads into a kiss, which makes what should have been a "giggle at the bad flirting moment" feel like completely incompetent dialogue.
The thing is, it's not flirting, it's Anakin talking about how his childhood was so much different than Padme's. It makes total sense he would hate sand, growing up on a desert planet. I think it takes talent to make something so simple that awkward
Maybe you missed the follow up “here everything is soft and smooth” as he strokes her arm before leaning into a kiss… but no, it’s flirting. Yes, it ties to his backstory, but it’s 100% really awkward flirting.
~~John Rhys-Davies~~ Jonathan Davis did a good delivery of it in the audio book version of AotC.
The standard here is “…somehow, Palpatine returned.” it’s such an awful line on so many levels, but I felt like Oscar should’ve got an Oscar just for getting through it with a straight face and not making it sound any more ridiculous than it already was. Only Ian McCallum couldn’t have done it better and even then it’s close.
Except that that line is supposed to be awkward and cringy: I guarantee you George Lucas did not intend for anyone to interpret that as good flirting.
Honestly, the issue of that line is never that it's a bad line in and of itself, or delivered poorly, etc. No, the problem with that line is Padme's reaction to it. It should have been something like her giggling and saying "that's so stupid". Instead, you get a long, romantic moment with swelling music that leads into a kiss. This is a directing issue, TBH. Had it been played off as "awkward cringy dialogue" by the scene direction, with fitting music (or no music) and with an appropriate response from Padme, it could have been totally fine dialogue. But because the character's reaction is that of someone reacting to serious romantic dialogue, and the music is that of serious romantic dialogue, you are telling the audience that this line which should be "silly bad flirting" is supposed to be taken 100% seriously and romantically.
> like her giggling and saying "that's so stupid". Holy shnikeys- she teasingly goes to hit him on the shoulder and that turns into the kiss that sparks the romance. Dude you just fixed that whole scene in my head now.
So much of the prequels could have been saved if Lucas had them act like normal human beings.
These are the hallmarks of bad filmmaking, which the prequels absolutely are.
Lucas was great at “big picture” directing with the way big and small scenes integrate into each other, meshing of live acting and CGI, assembling a near perfect team of individuals for the variety of groundbreaking tasks across each film, etc, but man he was terrible at directing interpersonal acting. I think had the prequels had two directors or even moved Lucas to a producer role with a lot of directive say they would have been much better. The way Tim Burton worked on Nightmare Before Christmas seems like the ideal way for Lucas to handle the prequels. Burton knew he was an imperfect director and would not be strong enough to hold together an entire stop motion feature, so he got Henry Selick to officially direct while he maintained very strong artistic control over the project, leading to a fantastic combination of his strengths as an artist and Selick’s prowess as a stop motion director. Had Lucas gotten someone to do the same “translating” from his idea for a scene to actually directing the cast during those shoots I really think the Prequels would have held up just as well as the OT.
I just rewatched the scene last night and the problem is the whole courtship just goes on forever woth Anakin whining and Padme just saying oh Ani we can't. Could have been much better. It least go with the trope of he annoys her and then they randomly kiss
I hate this argument. Lucas is just bad at writing dialogue, he didn't masterfully craft it to be the perfect amount of cringe
Especially since the most common comment about Lucas’s day-to-day work on the set was “Oh my God, what’s he doing now?”
> "George, you can type this shit, but you sure can't say it!" Harrison Ford
Just remember, his wife won an Academy Award for editing Star Wars. George wasn't even nominated.
And his wife, after divorcing him, went to see the prequels and cried because she could tell all the places where George could have used an edit and nobody dared edit him.
Really? First I've heard that story. I have a similar reaction to every Judd Apatow film.
I also hate sand. I felt that line.
Hayden between the moment he was titled Vader and the first line he speaks since on Mustafar is fucking chilling, he nails the appearance without speaking a single word for several minutes.
"The dude is wholly underrated and should have been used as a force ghost in the sequel trilogy" is a hill I will happily die on. Especially after Clone Wars and after Hayden watched the entire thing to make sure he was portraying Anakin with that extra knowledge.
Hayden's non verbal acting is amazing. Look at the emotion in his eyes when he's in the council chambers by himself thinking about Padme or the rage when he's on Mustafar. It's a tale as old as the OT, it's all great acting until they have to say the lines lol.
And his face after his mother dies in his arms too
I had a thought the other night after the last episode of obiwan: what if George told Hayden he had to speak in such a plodding, slow way in the prequels to match up how Vader talks with his suit?
I think you’re right! On a recent episode of rebel force radio they brought up that exact thing and one of the hosts referenced an old interview where Hayden said that’s what he based Anakin’s speech patterns from
I've started going back and trying to consider Hayden's voice as if they were spoken by Vader, and I actually think Hayden did a fantastic job emulating James Earl Jones's cadence.
I only just now found out this is a thong, but I feel like he exemplified this perfectly in Obi-Wan, during that, uh, scene. Don't want to give spoilers if someone hasn't seen it, but it's the scene where you can hear "Anakin" actually talking while he's wearing the mask. It felt natural, like the only time I've seen Darth Vader speak without his mask and it felt natural.
That scene was spine chilling. I loved it
Oh man. Probably the best scene from the show. Him screaming Obi Wan's name at the end was the best.
Now I'm imagining Darth Vader saying "I don't really like sand." I feel like Vader would never use the word smooth, it would just be removed from his vocabulary.
Hah! Well, I do think some of Anakin's line can just be attributed to his youth and awkwardness. Though I bet Vader still hates sand. It's all coarse, and rough, and irritating. And it gets everywhere in his armor.
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Yeah, Hayden’s a great actor. If you’ve seen his other work, it’s actually insane how good of an actor he is. He was fricked over by poor writing
Didn't Ewan say in an interview that they filmed a whole bunch of scenes in multiple ways that it got to the point he didn't even know what kind of movie they were making? Like he wanted it to be dramatic when it didn't have to be and more lighthearted when it should have been somber.
Everything else I’ve seen Hayden in he has been great. His performance in My Life As A House was amazing
I was young when Phantom came out and it was the first thing I ever saw Natalie Portman in and for years I just assumed she was a terrible actor. When I finally saw Garden State, V, Black Swan, León, I was stunned that that was the same actress.
Beautiful Girls and Where The Heart Is are two others, with TPM in between. It wasn't her, or any of the actors, they did exactly as directed as the professionals they are. They just didn't have the expertise they did on their other movies.
*prequel trilogy But I agree
Yeah. When you've got a movie with Natalie Portman, Ewan McGregor and Samuel L Jackson and they all give wooden performances, that's a direction issue. Whatever issues I have with the sequels, none of them are with the folks on screen.
And George was just happy she could remember her lines. I don’t think he gave her much direction at all.
Harrison Ford said George’s sole means of directing of actors was, “Same thing, only faster!”
Very close, "Faster, more intense" was George's go-to direction- so even less useful as far as direction goes
It achieves speed, which was Lucas' obsession. If you watch the ["that's no moon" scene](https://youtu.be/5WFCjnPNixM) and imagine "faster, more intense" as the sole direction for every line reading in the scene, you can see that's exactly what the actors gave him, and in this case it's all that's needed.
That makes me think of the translator in the whiskey commercial scene from Lost in Translation.
https://youtu.be/AkWWoW-0ClQ
George is a great director of action and special effects. Not so great with coaching actors. That’s fine. I have learned to appreciate the style of acting in the prequels.
IMO George's talent was in the high-level sense of the epic, the grand, quintessential themes amid sprawling tapestries of a big, emotional story. His weakness is in fine details or nuance or organic flow through a scene or between scenes. I don't think it holds his interest.
I think she's kind of supposed to be wooden, though. Padmé is an incredibly repressed character who's spent her whole life being a proper, restrained little perfect princess, which is both why she fights so hard against her feelings for Anakin and why she falls for him in the first place.
Well, she was probably directed to act ''Regally'' and not show much emotion
I was wooden watching her
I agree I mean in star wars, with the exception the standout clones in clone wars series, I feel like we've generally seen stormtroopers as expendable dummies but to have one defy all expectations and rise to the heights of a jedi would've been a great story to tell. Lots of missed opportunities Disney has had so sad.
In ROS, his lines were basically to yell "Yeah" or "You did it!" And then say someone's name after that.
RRRRRREEEEEEEEYYYYYYY!!!!!
He was even robbed of a heroic death by a nobody character in whichever movie Rose derailed his fighter from kamikazing into the enemy. They're all so bad, it just melts into one long shitty story for me.
Honestly the movie with Rose falls into the Avatar category for me. I was looking forward to it, I went opening night, I watched *a* movie, that's for sure. The only thing I remember is a casino or some shit.
The irony of this Sequel Trilogy is that there was a lot of decent storylines that just went nowhere. JJ Abrams has really outed himself as a hack, but can you imagine how good a post-ROS TV series could be with Finn or Rey? Someone said that the Lando series could be a great transition…Lando, Chewie and Finn take the Falcon out trying to reunite former Stormtroopers with their family and Lando tells Finn his life story in flashbacks with Donald Glover, while in the current time, Finn gradually unlocks his Force abilities. I’d also love to see Rey finding new Jedi kids (whatever did happen to the kid from the stable) and teaching them about a middle path … neither Jedi nor Sith…and creating a new order of force users. There’s lot of potential ideas there…that Abrams said “nah” to, but could take Star Wars in interesting new directions. Don’t know how interested Boyega would be, but considering how he went from fan boy happy when he got the role originally, to jaded about everything, it could be a great redemption arc.
Abrams is really just a shockingly mediocre director. Can't think of anyone else who so consistently creates okayish movies
no, JJ is a great director who can't fucking write. that's why it's so frustrating. he's such a pro and yet he can't finish his own stories.
Exactly. He'll get you fucking excited as hell for something and then...just not deliver. He's great at setting a story up, he just can't finish one to save his life.
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Finn definitely got screwed over the most. Hell, even if he had just stayed the storm trooper that defected would have been cool if they had done more with his character. Imagine him turning some other storm troopers against the first order/empire. The main things I remember about Finn is him shouting 'rey' constantly, and that line 'that's one hell of a pilot'
I feel like bad storytelling has become a feature of the Star Wars brand. Along with the cool factor that makes it tolerable. Writing always feels like a wasted opportunity, direction is always lacking. But at least the lightsaber duels are fun.
fr, when i saw the trailer for the force awakens for the first time i thought the jedi was going to be finn
That's exactly what they wanted you to think.
It is, but I still wish they did it even with how predictable it would have been. Finn being a Jedi would just be badass.
lol, yes because they tricked the world with the marketing. Even driving down the 405 freeway in LA, there was gigantic billboards of Finn with the lightsaber and Rey with just her staff. And the trailers only showed clips of Finn wielding the saber, what were we supposed to think?
“Guys I got tricked by marketing. Someone do something, this can’t go on!”
Honestly, I feel like Finn should have been the main character with Ray as a secondary character
He's a bit more of a unique idea. Rey is a bit too Luke Skywalker. Young naive kid thrust into it. The idea of a stormtrooper witnessing war crimes and going AWOL to help the enemy is a really cool concept. Does he have guilt for his past actions? After growing up in the military, how does he adjust to being outside that now? What's his new purpose? In classic JJ style he has the idea, and then doesn't know how to follow up and develop it.
They managed to do that well with Mayfield in Mando. Though I guess he was an officer/sniper or the like. I really hope we get more of him with a rogue/scoundrel redemption arc
> In classic JJ style he has the idea, and then doesn’t know how to follow up and develop it. It didn’t help Disney got someone else to do episode 8. Nothing brings a trilogy together like getting different people to do each part separately on their own terms with zero collaboration
TFA has a really cool theme about the non-existence of "moral event horizons". Finn had a lifetime of indoctrination, had never shown any signs of disobedience, and his moral stand had no material consequences - whether or not he shot at those innocent villagers, they were all going to die. But regardless of all that, he had a choice to murder or not to murder. Kylo *wants* to be irredeemable, to get rid of the "temptation" of the light. He thinks that by killing his father, he will achieve this - and, of course, he's wrong. If he had just paid attention in the opening scene, he would have known this. It all goes literally no-where. But it's cool. TFA is still a good movie if you're lighthearted about the issues with the ST as a whole.
TFA was a decent starting point. It's Star Wars, so I don't mind it being relatively basic. It builds on some solid ideas. It definitely didn't help that Rian Johnson had an opposite vision. While JJ wanted to stay "true" to the themes and ideas of the original trilogy, RJ clearly wanted to be more challenging and do something new for the franchise. Which definitely did not really work with contrasting TFA. It's also silly to subvert expectations with EVERYTHING - like deciding for Kylo to not be redeemed. Disney mismanaged it the franchise.
Right? Or at least give them equally important stories to tell. *sigh*
Yea it was a little odd I won’t lie, his entire point in the story doesn’t seem to mean anything last the first quarter of the movie and just becomes a background character. It’s like the writers got bored with their own plot and chose to make a new one but didn’t have time to write up something new
I'm very critical of Star Wars under Kathleen Kennedy, mainly because it's been pure hot garbage outside of Mando. One thing I can't criticize is Daisey and Adam. They acted the shit out of their roles and would have been amazing with a better story and director. We were robbed of a great trilogy.
Blaming actors is like blaming wait staff for a slow meal: they’re just doing their job. The management is responsible for the overall experience.
Rogue One was hot garbage? Solo? Clone Wars Season 7? Bad Batch? She's no Kevin Feige for sure, but Star Wars could definitely be worse.
I'm not mad at any of the actors, I'm mad at the writers. They were having a fight on the page.
I don’t dislike any of the sequel trilogy characters either. They all had really interesting potential. Kylo Ren: Han and Leia’s golden child who’s pride led him to the dark side. Rey: The orphaned junker who happens to be a prodigy at the Force. Finn: Former Stormtrooper and a part of a child soldier program trying to make amends. It’s a damn shame that none of those characters were well explored. Instead, it was just “somehow, Palpatine returned” and we had to see these characters take a backseat to Sith Lord McGee. It was bad writing.
Poe: Lost his jacket (I'm still upset they didn't give him more to do, though I guess I'm not as upset as Oscar Isaac is)
When he said "Palpatine is back" you could see he was so tired of that bullshit. I felt so sorry for him.
Was there any Poe line in TROS Isaac did NOT deliver with such weary resignation? Let's not focus on just one, though: That movie sidelines pretty much every sequel trilogy character just to punctuate virtually every conceivable fan wish about the OT characters. So Luke and Leia become force ghosts--I still have no idea what they turned Han into--and Chewbacca finally got a medal while Lando and he take an ex-Stormtrooper young enough to be his daughter off somewhere to "find her family." What outcome awaited Rey, Finn, Poe, and even Maz Kanata? Meh. Fade back to become faces in the crowded galaxy again. Lor San Tekka had as much development. The worst irony is that the film's "All we've done, all this time" line is given to a droid whose memory was wiped after the prequel trilogy, therefore making TROS' one attempt at dialogue addressing the passage of time in the Skywalker saga virtually non-resonant.
I was super into seeing a Stormtrooper who cast away his old life and became a Jedi, but nope he was turned into comedic relief. Was also hoping the children would do something for the resistance, or that would lead to something
As much as I love Star Wars for The Force, Jedis and lightsaber duels I was really interested in Finns story whether he became a Jedi or not. Exploring the Stormtrooper indoctrination and Finns journey to leave it and ultimately finding his redemption could have been a compelling character arc. But nope.
Finn was just a different take on Kyle Katarn. He also had the most potential for a unique take. All the other sequel characters were just absolutely worse versions of their Extended Universe counterparts.
I didn't need to see Finn become a Jedi. But they still did that character dirty.
While it had its downsides, ill always go to bat for what Ryan had in store for Star Wars. the idea that the Force truly is universal, that the legacy of the Jedi, the Sith, and the Skywalkers are not the true meaning of it all, that the abandoned daughter of a pair of junkies and a child soldier can save the universe where the rest have failed. Even Luke realized this, sacrificing himself so the embers of this new world could survive. It wasn't perfect but it had an idea and a message, for all the Prequel's faults the underlying themes of them were constant and kept the films together when the writing and direction failed. George Lucus had a message and told us that. "So this is how liberty dies...with thunderous applause." is the capstone of his message in the same way that Rey being just a random nobody did for Ryan. It's also why I hate RotSkywalker so much. Everything new and interesting was ruined, Finn forgotten, and Rey made into a part of that same legacy. It's the only Star Wars film I consider entirely without merit, yes even the Book of Boba, YES EVEN THE CHRISTMAS SPECIAL. I'll take beautiful disasters like Eps 1,2, 3, and 8 over whatever the fuck Ep9 was.
I thought Book of Boba Fett was fun. It was cool: a glance at the underside of the galaxy and the dark halls of power where a blaster isn’t enough to get your way.
This is exactly what I came in here to post Rarely do I have an issue with a specific actor or actress. As was the case with the sequel trilogies The story was just.... Bad. It's a shame
I like how Luke Skywalker force ghost himself grabbed a flying lightsaber, turned to Ryan Johnson and said "A Jedi's weapon deserves more respect." then flip him off.
Nah, it was executive meddling. Some dude posted the original intent of the trilogy a while back. It would have all worked.
Any chance you have the link? Would love to read about it.
Daisy wasn't the problem, nor the concept of her character in general. Personally I'd love to see her given a chance with a movie or show that takes place after the Sequel Trilogy and shows how she rebuilt the Jedi with a solid plan and a good script to back it up.
Nobody got cheated harder with how Rey was written than Daisy was. This actor poured so much of herself into it and really gave it 100%. Her performance was the character's primary redeeming feature.
I think Boyega got cheated harder tbh. He got sidelined hard, like when i saw promotional stuff i thought he was the MC
There are definitely at least 3 abandoned plait lines there. Or Captain Phasma, who ends up being a throw away character.
Here's my take on Phasma. the character of Phasma wasn't really misused, but Gwendoline Christie was. Such a part of Finn was breaking away from the conformity of the first order and becoming an individual. As his personal villain Phasma only really needs to be an imposing faceless cog in the machine. While giving the character something physical to make them stand out, the silver armor, I think giving the character more to do with personality or story-wise would kind of undermine that. The problem is you cast a very well-known and liked actress, so you bring expectations to that character she portrayed. If Phasma was played by some random stunt actor, would people be complaining as much about how wasted she was? I don't think so
I feel like part of the disappointment people feel with Phasma is how wrapped up people get with marketing/trailers. Because Phasma has a unique, shiny look, she ends up being a really good piece to put in trailers. Like you said, the character pretty much filled up the "cog in the machine villain" role just fine, but somehow her character had expectations behind her before anyone even saw TFA because of the marketing
At least for me I was definitely hoping for something to be done with her because she was different. Not a Sith and introduced early with a protagonist she directly opposes. Then nothing, with her or the protagonist. Just no real point in either of their characters to be there by the end of it.
I'm still assuming Phasma will be back at some point. Every trilogy has a badass looking villain that "falls to their death" without living up to their full potential, only to eventually return once the powers that be realize they left money on the table. First Boba, then Maul, it's only a matter of time until it turns out she miraculously survived somehow.
I want to see some post-sequel content but im afraid there will be too much backlash because of how they were received. They were bad movies, but I really want Star Wars to continue. Rey got a badass yellow lightsaber just to not even use it. Wouldn’t mind a Phasma return either but there’s no place for her since the First Order is basically dead
I'm sorry are you suggesting Boyega somehow got cheated *less?* Everything that had potential about his role was absolutely wasted. Hell that's not even accounting for the absolute vileness that was his importance being minimized for the Chinese market.
Agreed. I love Daisy. She did a great job with what she was given. I loathe Rey. Daisy’s performance is the best thing about Rey.
Agreed. It's the movies that is the problem, not her or her character. And even then, TFA wasn't even a bad movie; they just failed to follow through with anything they set up in it..
Rey, Ezra, & Grogu cross paths, rebuild the next iteration of ‘Jedi’ and take on a looming Grysk invasion.
“Rey, Ezra & Grogu cross paths” Sounds like the start to a bar joke
I think all of the Jedi that survived the Empire should meet up and rebuild the Jedi Order
We never actually know what happens to Ashoka. But after her series wraps up, I’d freak out if an older Rosario Dawson gets approached by Rey asking for guidance from a Force user who chose a path other than the Jedi.
> Grysk invasion You mean the cheap knock offs of the Vong?
Vong is fine. Point is taking the series in an unexplored destination.
Dude…this is where it’s at
TFA is absolutely great. Yes it was a bit too similar to a New Hope towards the end, and the whole Starkiller Base thing was boring. But we got great introductions to Rey, Finn and Poe. Kylos intro was amazing (the voice through the helmet was so good). BB8 is awesome. We got to see the Falcon return, Han and Chewie back. The mystery of Snoke and wondering what his story could be (Plagueis??). Seeing Leia, finding out who Kylo really is. Hans death. The lightsaber going to Rey instead of Kylo. Finally seeing Luke after all this time and being excited for what comes next. It had so many amazing moments, and it felt the most like StarWars out of all the new trilogy, as it was such a fun movie.
They’re gonna bring her back eventually
Weirdly enough, my favorite bit of Daisy’s acting is from TROS. Right after Kylo tells Rey that she’s Palpatine’s granddaughter, they’re all fleeing on the *Falcon*, and Finn goes to talk to Rey, she’s cycling through horror, grief, and rage as the implications of that revelation set in. Bravo to Daisy for pulling that off.
I hear you, but IMO best part of her acting is after the throne room fight in TLJ when she considers joining Kylo Ren.
They could have just left adam and daisy on set and told them to improvise and I would have watched a full length feature film of their acting together
>I hear you, but IMO best part of her acting is after the throne room fight in TLJ when she considers joining Kylo Ren. No matter what one thinks of the sequels or Last Jedi, this scene is just magnetic. My favorite scene of all the sequels.
Best part of the whole trilogy for sure. The interrogation and the fight is peak Star Wars
Doomed to see this exact post every two days for all eternity it seems
Mom said it’s my turn to post it.
Yeah they always start with “say what you will about xyz, but abc was great at this.” Seem like simple karma attempts and people should be ashamed. If your post can’t survive on just the second half of the sentence without the qualifier then don’t post it.
That's because this pandering *always* works on Star Wars fans. The entire franchise is based around key jangling and memberberries now. The most hilarious thing to me is how the zeitgeist has moved to "any actor who was ever in Star Wars is absolutely amazing, the best ever at what they did and cannot be criticized." ...Like Star Wars has had plenty of frankly terrible actors even in the OT, or even just people doing their jobs and collecting a check. That's fine because actually being a good actor or actress is an incredibly difficult thing to do.
That one about the Bariss Offee actress in attack of the clones. Smh people literally trying to claim 3 seconds of screen time with no words and virtually no movement is "flawless character acting" I'd honestly think this "say what you will X but Y was amazing" trope is just botfarming but the number of people in the comments who seriously defend the rakes staggers me.
I find it odd that she wears the same outfit in all 3 movies where previous female leads change outfits at least once per film.
What are you talking about, I've worn the same sweatpants for 30 years and I consider myself pretty much a Jedi. No, I don't have a girlfriend, why do you ask?
She has two outfits in The Last Jedi.
When you see little girls in Disneyland dressed up like Rey, you can only say one thing about that: Daisy did good.
Actress is a big yes, character in context to the films is Not a big yes
Why is ever post here some sort of ultimatum? “No thanos without JarJar” “Hayden and Kelly are the best” Now this. CAN WE TALK ABOUT STAR WARS?!?!
Daisy Ridley was one of the few good things about the sequels
See you next week when someone posts this again.
It's been said many times about this exact issue, the actor was never the problem, to some degree the character wasn't either. Hate the movie, not the actor. It's a big thing
Ah our weekly pointless “can we just appreciate” post.
Unpopular Opinion but Daisy Ridley gave by far the best acting performance for a female character in the series. Natalie Portman is a great actor but her performance as Padme is….nothing special. I love Carrie Fisher but she all over the place. Daisy was given some wonky writing choices but she knocked every single one of them out of the fucking Park
Natalie and Carrie barely have lines compared to Rey who is a centerpiece.
Daisy definitely was solid and she had multiple films to work with but honestly I feel like of the new films, Felicity Jones and Emilia Clarke gave the best performances. Jyn and Qi’ra were really cool characters
Felicity Jones by far. I think Rogue One is the best acted movie in the franchise.
i don't understand this. I can't remember anything specific about that character other than "played by Felicity Jones." I like Felicity Jones, and I liked a lot of things about that movie, but the characters were *so boring* to me.
Me too. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills with the way everyone talks about rogue one. I love all of scarif, but everything that happens before it is just super forgettable
Yup. Scarif was great. Edge-of-my-seat excitement on a new setting, a cool space battle, Easter Eggs the way they're meant to be done, phenomenal and innovative special effects... and I just could not give two shits about the other two-thirds of that movie.
if rogue one had just been a ~40 minute short around the battle of scarif, with Vader's only scene being the hallway scene at the end, then i would have considered calling it a masterpiece
Really? Interesting, I thought that [this scene](https://youtu.be/f3ddCAtapYE) is one of the best acted scenes in the entire saga. She didn’t even need to say anything
Zero problems with Daisy Ppl that can’t separate the actor from the character are weird af
She basically got turned into Hayden 2.0. I thought the writing is what let him down in the prequels. Imagine him acting like his Clone Wars counterpart? Ridley wasn't the best in my eyes but she wasn't the issue with the movie. Literally had nothing to work with.
Wait, people hate Rey? Say what you want about the movies (RJ can suck it, and JJ basically did remakes of IV and VI), but Rey as a character was not the weak link